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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: GregKSU1027 on December 07, 2016, 02:13:48 PM
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What is oscar? To many a villian, to some a hero. To me oscar is confused but confident that he is on his way up. This team is a tournament team but there will be some bumps. If we do enough in the big 12 we will be better seeded than his last run.
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Everything alright, Greg?
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"run"?
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What is oscar? To many a villian, to some a hero.
now this is a bbs post right here. kudos greg, glad you're learning something at ksu cats u and i'm sure this quote will be nominated for a cassy.
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:lol:
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A hero to those 5 diehards on that K-Statefans.com thing
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Fun loving, weiner.
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"run"?
truly, when was oscar's last "run"? Given that I feel a "run" starts at around the Sweet 16, it seems oscar's last foray into the realm of ncaa runs was 2005. A mere 12 years ago.
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Oscar is #notmycoach
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Oscar is #notmycoach
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These things always backfire, you guys
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A Woolridge look alike that followed up Frank Martin instead of Tom 'fake tan' Asbury...
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9-1.
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like sex to a nympho, but nothin sweet
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Awkward and weird. Not a great coach, but probably better than most of our fans give him credit for.
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I could be on board if he was self aware and planned around his weaknesses, as good coaches and leaders should. I mean, that's 101 stuff. Go get a recruiter, give him more rope than your AD is completely comfy with. Go get a guy that develop whatever position is your weakness and back off that guy almost completely. Also, if you suck at in the moment planing, go get a guy like that.
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I could be on board if he was self aware and planned around his weaknesses, as good coaches and leaders should. I mean, that's 101 stuff. Go get a recruiter, give him more rope than your AD is completely comfy with. Go get a guy that develop whatever position is your weakness and back off that guy almost completely. Also, if you suck at in the moment planing, go get a guy like that.
If you suck at that many things it might be a sign you aren't fit to lead.
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I could be on board if he was self aware and planned around his weaknesses, as good coaches and leaders should. I mean, that's 101 stuff. Go get a recruiter, give him more rope than your AD is completely comfy with. Go get a guy that develop whatever position is your weakness and back off that guy almost completely. Also, if you suck at in the moment planing, go get a guy like that.
what if you're bad at everything except throwing your own players under the bus?
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I can't disagree with much of that.
However, there are lots of coaches that seem like they should be better. Like Miles at Nebraska for example; he seems to recruit alright, seems likable, fun follow on twitter. However, he has 2 tournaments in 12 years of coaching and he looks to be on his way to getting fired. oscar has 10 in 18 seasons. Granted, that's not great and if he doesn't make it this year he should be fired, but his overall record as a HC is far from terrible. When I think terrible records, I go to Jim Woolridge as the prime example. Tom Asbury is close. That guy at Boston College that used to be at TCU. Even despite some past success, WSU's Ernie Kent who we play tonight has been absolutely awful that last 5 years.
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He just seems like a career assistant coach. Everybody, not least his players, can see he lacks weight.
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I can't disagree with much of that.
However, there are lots of coaches that seem like they should be better. Like Miles at Nebraska for example; he seems to recruit alright, seems likable, fun follow on twitter. However, he has 2 tournaments in 12 years of coaching and he looks to be on his way to getting fired. oscar has 10 in 18 seasons. Granted, that's not great and if he doesn't make it this year he should be fired, but his overall record as a HC is far from terrible. When I think terrible records, I go to Jim Woolridge as the prime example. Tom Asbury is close. That guy at Boston College that used to be at TCU. Even despite some past success, WSU's Ernie Kent who we play tonight has been absolutely awful that last 5 years.
This...
" if he doesn't make it this year he should be fired,"
Why? What about year 5, when you were not in a re-build when you were hired, makes it THE year? Why not in year 2, 3, or 4?
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I can't disagree with much of that.
However, there are lots of coaches that seem like they should be better. Like Miles at Nebraska for example; he seems to recruit alright, seems likable, fun follow on twitter. However, he has 2 tournaments in 12 years of coaching and he looks to be on his way to getting fired. oscar has 10 in 18 seasons. Granted, that's not great and if he doesn't make it this year he should be fired, but his overall record as a HC is far from terrible. When I think terrible records, I go to Jim Woolridge as the prime example. Tom Asbury is close. That guy at Boston College that used to be at TCU. Even despite some past success, WSU's Ernie Kent who we play tonight has been absolutely awful that last 5 years.
I don't think most KSU fans grasp how hard it is going to be to hire a better coach than oscar. Specially how we are running our athletic program.
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Firing oscar would be putting a kroger brand band-aid on the real problem.
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it would be very stupid to fire weber this year.
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The first 6 conference games this year are going to be an interesting test for our youngsters
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it would be very stupid to fire weber this year.
YES!
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He won't get fired because we'll at least get an NIT bid and the apologists will say it's proof of progress
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https://twitter.com/_iwundu25/status/808000804070232064
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it would be very stupid to fire weber this year.
it would answer the question of "Does Currie hate Kstate basketball fans?" with complete finality
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There is the possibility that oscar has his highest end of season Kenpom rating, doesn't make the tournament and gets fired.
I don't think any human can process that.
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There is the possibility that oscar has his highest end of season Kenpom rating, doesn't make the tournament and gets fired.
even though it would be stupid for kstate to fire him, if you're any kind of fan at all you have to root for this to happen.
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https://twitter.com/_iwundu25/status/808000804070232064
Kamaiyah! :love:
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There is the possibility that oscar has his highest end of season Kenpom rating, doesn't make the tournament and gets fired.
even though it would be stupid for kstate to fire him, if you're any kind of fan at all you have to root for this to happen.
1) Take Brad whenever we can get him. I think that is the only hope while we have Currie.
2) Stick with oscar until Currie is gone. Unless he drops below 50th in kenpom.
I think that is the only reasonable train of thought. Confusing time for Cat fans. :dunno: :dunno:
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oscar is causing his biggest fan to get ripped on
--Watch out for Istilllikeharv he is a Weber Fan First (WFF)
He doesnt care about kansas st. He will just follow Weber to wherever he goes after he gets ***********. He's more worried abotu Weber's success then he is of Kansas St
He use to post on the Illini board all the time now he never does. Why? Because Brucie couldn't cut the cake at Illini land.
Now I'm not saying Johnny Groce is better because he isn't but for you wild car fans who actually think Harv cares about Kansas ST well my friends you are sadly mistaken brothers
If it wasn't for the Kansas St a.d. oscar weber would be in a dark room watching film at some lowly mid major college and if it wasn't for the Kansas St a.d. Harv would still be on the Illini board making excuses for Weber
http://www.scout.com/college/kansas-state/forums/2671-men-s-hoops/15233176-watch-out-for-istilllikeharv
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like iron mike, messiah-type
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Awkward and weird. Not a great coach, but probably better than most of our fans give him credit for.
He seems fairly consistent with finding talent from lower rated recruits. Players also seem to develop well in the program. But some of the in-game coaching decisions are really bad.
Beyond being weird, he is unbelievably uninspiring.
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Awkward and weird. Not a great coach, but probably better than most of our fans give him credit for.
He seems fairly consistent with finding talent from lower rated recruits. Players also seem to develop well in the program. But some of the in-game coaching decisions are really bad.
Beyond being weird, he is unbelievably uninspiring.
Doesn't recruit well enough to build depth. Not great with identifying and landing points guards. He is in game is pretty effing good.
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The first 6 conference games this year are going to be an interesting test for our youngsters
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I agree Bill, gotta keep sawing wood and getting a little better each and every day
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I don't think most KSU fans grasp how hard it is going to be to hire a better coach than oscar. Specially how we are running our athletic program.
:ROFL: we're 7th in the Big 12 in wins since oscar got here and numbers 6, 8, 9, and 10 have all fired a bad coach and replaced that coach with a better one.
Firing oscar would be putting a kroger brand band-aid on the real problem.
Tell me when the athletic department was in better shape.
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I don't think most KSU fans grasp how hard it is going to be to hire a better coach than oscar. Specially how we are running our athletic program.
:ROFL: we're 7th in the Big 12 in wins since oscar got here and numbers 6, 8, 9, and 10 have all fired a bad coach and replaced that coach with a better one.
Firing oscar would be putting a kroger brand band-aid on the real problem.
Tell me when the athletic department was in better shape.
Dixon is the only one with a resume proving he is better in the long run. Shaka, Underwood and Beard will take time to judge.
I would like to see a list of coaches we could hire that would have a better resume than oscar. Although there are probably a handful of coaches that have a chance to be better.
I have an extremely shallow view as of date on who we could hire. I look at our current kenpom ranking (34) and look up and down the list to see who we could hire to improve.
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I don't think most KSU fans grasp how hard it is going to be to hire a better coach than oscar. Specially how we are running our athletic program.
:ROFL: we're 7th in the Big 12 in wins since oscar got here and numbers 6, 8, 9, and 10 have all fired a bad coach and replaced that coach with a better one.
Firing oscar would be putting a kroger brand band-aid on the real problem.
Tell me when the athletic department was in better shape.
Dixon is the only one with a resume proving he is better in the long run. Shaka, Underwood and Beard will take time to judge.
I would like to see a list of coaches we could hire that would have a better resume than oscar. Although there are probably a handful of coaches that have a chance to be better.
I have an extremely shallow view as of date on who we could hire. I look at our current kenpom ranking (34) and look up and down the list to see who we could hire to improve.
Who cares who has the better resume? That doesn't make any sense. So we're going to keep oscar no matter what because his team had a good March 12 years ago? Tying for the Big 12 championship 5 seasons ago carries more weight than the following 5th, 6th, and 8th? If it's time to go it's time to go. You can pay some life long assistant $700,000 to finish in 8th place.
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Building towards a hell of a run. We should have some success this year, but reading about the recruits in the pipeline excites me. Now is not the time to climb up on the stove and crap in the simmering pot of stew.
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Building towards a hell of a run. We should have some success this year, but reading about the recruits in the pipeline excites me. Now is not the time to climb up on the stove and crap in the simmering pot of stew.
Agreed I'm excited it will be very fun in the next few years
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7-28 in true road games over the last 4 seasons.
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
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Conference winning % on the uptick so far this year.
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Conference winning % on the uptick so far this year.
That doesn't sound correct.
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Conference winning % on the uptick so far this year.
That doesn't sound correct.
40% > 28%, no?
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Conference winning % on the uptick so far this year.
That doesn't sound correct.
40% > 28%, no?
I thought you meant it was moving the needle on his overall conference win % up. My bad. Yeah, real banner year for oscar so far.
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he's a lock to get at least 18 wins this year. i like the look of that 0-4 against rpi 100s, but that's sure to improve as we move into the meat of the conference schedule.
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
I guess I'll just leave this here.
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I guess I'll just leave this here.
oscar has more total career wins.
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Frank did better guys. That road difference is stark
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
I guess I'll just leave this here.
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That is actually pretty incredible when you match up the numbers. We talk about wanting Frank back and all the good he did, but when you compare those numbers the two coaches aren't even close to each other. Say what you want about the first 2 years, but what if oscar didn't have Frank's players? :sdeek:
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
I guess I'll just leave this here.
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That is actually pretty incredible when you match up the numbers. We talk about wanting Frank back and all the good he did, but when you compare those numbers the two coaches aren't even close to each other. Say what you want about the first 2 years, but what if oscar didn't have Frank's players? :sdeek:
Oh please. Frank followed Huggs, with Huggs players. Without that, these numbers are probably a lot closer.
If oscar didn't have the luxury of taking over a mutiny, his numbers would be worse as well.
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
I guess I'll just leave this here.
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That is actually pretty incredible when you match up the numbers. We talk about wanting Frank back and all the good he did, but when you compare those numbers the two coaches aren't even close to each other. Say what you want about the first 2 years, but what if oscar didn't have Frank's players? :sdeek:
Oh please. Frank followed Huggs, with Huggs players. Without that, these numbers are probably a lot closer.
If oscar didn't have the luxury of taking over a mutiny, his numbers would be worse as well.
This wasn't the first time oscar inherited a good team. Frank was a first time head coach when he took over, it's not like Huggs got rid of the Woolridge culture in a single year.
Comparing those two situations is not a very good argument.
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
I guess I'll just leave this here.
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That is actually pretty incredible when you match up the numbers. We talk about wanting Frank back and all the good he did, but when you compare those numbers the two coaches aren't even close to each other. Say what you want about the first 2 years, but what if oscar didn't have Frank's players? :sdeek:
Oh please. Frank followed Huggs, with Huggs players. Without that, these numbers are probably a lot closer.
If oscar didn't have the luxury of taking over a mutiny, his numbers would be worse as well.
This wasn't the first time oscar inherited a good team. Frank was a first time head coach when he took over, it's not like Huggs got rid of the Woolridge culture in a single year.
Comparing those two situations is not a very good argument.
Are you serial?
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It's simple, Frank got better as he went along, mainly with his own players. oscar is on his 2nd set of his own players after running off his first and it's not getting better.
And I don't buy the hypothetical Frank mutiny.
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It's simple, Frank got better as he went along, mainly with his own players. oscar is on his 2nd set of his own players after running off his first and it's not getting better.
And I don't buy the hypothetical Frank mutiny.
Look at Kenpom, they absolutely got better.
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I must have forgot who was on the
collective respective first year teams for each coach here.
Also, this isn't meant as a oscar apology. He is absolutely to blame for his own shitty numbers. The cupboard wasn't bare.
It was more of a statement on what I perceive that each coach walked into. Maybe I'm a homer, but I absolutely believe Jake was a very very very very special player and that Frank isn't close to as successful without him.
I don't really wanna argue. I was just saying what I thought about the numbers. Frank is clearly the better coach. I just don't like either coach.
I'll buy mutiny based upon the next seasons results. I don't think oscar wins the Big 12 without the players feeling some relief about Frank being gone.
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It's simple, Frank got better as he went along, mainly with his own players. oscar is on his 2nd set of his own players after running off his first and it's not getting better.
kenpom thinks this team is roughly comparable to martin's last year at kstate and weber's first. it's been a strange path to (almost) get back to where we were.
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Those RPI numbers seem pretty telling. I guess I don't have much to compare them with, but it seems like we purposefully play a bunch of shitty teams because we're not very good against quality teams. 20-44 against top 50 competition? I mean, yeah, I expect a dropoff from 51-100, but a 50% decline tells me we haven't had a program that's capable of competing against tourney competition while he's been here. Ultimately why I want him gone, I don't care if we're 12-6 vs NIT/CBI/CIT level competition. If you're not capable of beating NCAA tournament teams regularly (at least hold serve at home, goodness that number sucks), then what's the point of keeping the guy around? He's slightly better than Wooly or Asbury, good for him I guess.
I guess I'll just leave this here.
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That is actually pretty incredible when you match up the numbers. We talk about wanting Frank back and all the good he did, but when you compare those numbers the two coaches aren't even close to each other. Say what you want about the first 2 years, but what if oscar didn't have Frank's players? :sdeek:
Oh please. Frank followed Huggs, with Huggs players. Without that, these numbers are probably a lot closer.
If oscar didn't have the luxury of taking over a mutiny, his numbers would be worse as well.
This wasn't the first time oscar inherited a good team. Frank was a first time head coach when he took over, it's not like Huggs got rid of the Woolridge culture in a single year.
Comparing those two situations is not a very good argument.
Culture is an excuse for not being coached well enough and/or not being talented enough.
We moved up from 57 -> 25 in kenpom in 2008 because Micheal Beasley was a really talented player. We move down to 51 a year later because Beasley was a really talented player. Frank was good enough to not eff it up.
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I absolutely believe Jake was a very very very very special player and that Frank isn't close to as successful without him.
martin was on the staff that recruited pullen. and although young, stewart and walker got some playing time under huggins, the team as a whole was not an established group carrying over a coaching philosophy from the previous regime. weber had nothing to do with any of the players that were important to his first year's success and the group was experienced and had played together successfully for years prior to his arrival.
both coaches had pretty nice situations to step into, but they aren't very comparable.
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It's simple, Frank got better as he went along, mainly with his own players. oscar is on his 2nd set of his own players after running off his first and it's not getting better.
kenpom thinks this team is roughly comparable to martin's last year at kstate and weber's first. it's been a strange path to (almost) get back to where we were.
True, but it will be extremely fluid from now on. If oscar manages to get the defense better and ends up 27 or better, then this is likely a tournament team and he'll be fine. If we keep losing, even close, kenpom will fall into the 40s.
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I absolutely believe Jake was a very very very very special player and that Frank isn't close to as successful without him.
martin was on the staff that recruited pullen. and although young, stewart and walker got some playing time under huggins, the team as a whole was not an established group carrying over a coaching philosophy from the previous regime. weber had nothing to do with any of the players that were important to his first year's success and the group was experienced and had played together successfully for years prior to his arrival.
both coaches had pretty nice situations to step into, but they aren't very comparable.
I think the only thing that is evident for the past 20 years is Huggins is on a complete different level when evaluating guards than anyone else.
I am still no happy about the Stefhon Hannah.
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It's simple, Frank got better as he went along, mainly with his own players. oscar is on his 2nd set of his own players after running off his first and it's not getting better.
kenpom thinks this team is roughly comparable to martin's last year at kstate and weber's first. it's been a strange path to (almost) get back to where we were.
True, but it will be extremely fluid from now on. If oscar manages to get the defense better and ends up 27 or better, then this is likely a tournament team and he'll be fine. If we keep losing, even close, kenpom will fall into the 40s.
Head, not heart, _fan, how many more wins do we get this year?
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I would guess 5-6 more wins.
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If we keep losing, even close, kenpom will fall into the 40s.
we can lose to winless osu on wed and improve our kenpom rating. there is a path.
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I'm hoping for seven but doubt we can get there.
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It's simple, Frank got better as he went along, mainly with his own players. oscar is on his 2nd set of his own players after running off his first and it's not getting better.
kenpom thinks this team is roughly comparable to martin's last year at kstate and weber's first. it's been a strange path to (almost) get back to where we were.
True, but it will be extremely fluid from now on. If oscar manages to get the defense better and ends up 27 or better, then this is likely a tournament team and he'll be fine. If we keep losing, even close, kenpom will fall into the 40s.
Half the games are in. If you look at the AdjEM it is easier for us to creep up, just slightly. With a project record of 6-8 through out and with our biggest spreads being loses, WVU, @BU, @WVU and @ISU. Keeping it close would probably help us.
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If we keep losing, even close, kenpom will fall into the 40s.
we can lose to winless osu on wed and improve our kenpom rating. there is a path.
I don't think close losing is sustainable. Eventually a game will be uglier (similar to the last 8 minutes of Baylor) leading to substantial drops in kenpom.
If we win the 5-6 games I think we will, we may end up in the upper 30s.
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I don't think close losing is sustainable. Eventually a game will be uglier (similar to the last 8 minutes of Baylor) leading to substantial drops in kenpom.
we can also win games by more than is predicted.
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i mean if we can get the loss to the cows, we can go .500 from there out and still easily miss the tourney.
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i mean if we can get the loss to the cows, we can go .500 from there out and still easily miss the tourney.
It's funny to think how the AD staff that's assigned to keep tabs on things explains this sort of discussion to currie.
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If we end up having the best team in the oscar Weber era, it wouldn't be hard to give actual good evidence. But it wouldn't be received well and I think the probability of a move would be likely.
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If we end up having the best team in the oscar Weber era, it wouldn't be hard to give actual good evidence. But it wouldn't be received well and I think the probability of a move would be likely.
If that's the case (I assume you mean kenpom) we'll be in the tournament. IMHO.
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think how the AD staff that's assigned to keep tabs on things explains this sort of discussion to currie.
that was quite fun to imagine.
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your pessimism is kinda deflating, royals.
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your pessimism is kinda deflating, royals.
The kpnt30 thing is cute, but there is a reason it rarely happens and I don't think this team will do it. They either win 9-10 games and finish 25 or better kp, or the losing continues and it falls apart, falling into the 40s. I don't see the middle ground leading to rare air.
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the big 12 has five teams between 23 and 34. someone in this conference is going to do it and it might as well be us.
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the big 12 has five teams between 23 and 34. someone in this conference is going to do it and it might as well be us.
With how shitty the Big 10, PAC 12 and SEC are it is very possible that two teams do it.
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the big 12 has five teams between 23 and 34. someone in this conference is going to do it and it might as well be us.
Why settle for 40 when 30 is available?
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Maybe another school will swoop in and steal oscar from us. That would be sad.
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your pessimism is kinda deflating, royals.
The kpnt30 thing is cute, but there is a reason it rarely happens and I don't think this team will do it. They either win 9-10 games and finish 25 or better kp, or the losing continues and it falls apart, falling into the 40s. I don't see the middle ground leading to rare air.
maybe that is an opportunity for the Highest Rated Team to Not Make Any Post Season in the History of KenPom
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I have just started looking at this but we were the No Invite champs for 2016 with our 55 going by the final rankings, will I have to fire up my old paypal account to see the bid week ratings?
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Win games. Solves a lot.of debates.
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I have just started looking at this but we were the No Invite champs for 2016 with our 55 going by the final rankings, will I have to fire up my old paypal account to see the bid week ratings?
We had a post-session invite last year, didn't take it.
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Most people have never heard of the cbi so I have no problem ignoring it
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Someone on twitter asked for a further break down of Frank/oscar road wins.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VA-KmVEAAQBu5.png:large)
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Someone on twitter asked for a further break down of Frank/oscar road wins.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VA-KmVEAAQBu5.png:large)
Franks ability to win really hard road games is amazing. This chart is very miss leading to a degree, It does' show the quantity of different quality games. oscar has played a decent amount more of top 25 kenpom roadies. Where Frank played a fraction more of 100+ Kenpom road games. It isn't an apple to apple comparison.
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the dispersion may be different but the mean opponent (60.0 v 56.4) is pretty similar.
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oscar is twice as good as Frank.
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Someone on twitter asked for a further break down of Frank/oscar road wins.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VA-KmVEAAQBu5.png:large)
Franks ability to win really hard road games is amazing. This chart is very miss leading to a degree, It does' show the quantity of different quality games. oscar has played a decent amount more of top 25 kenpom roadies. Where Frank played a fraction more of 100+ Kenpom road games. It isn't an apple to apple comparison.
So oscar has had more oppy's for high quality road wins, and managed to get fewer? Excellent point.
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#science
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Someone on twitter asked for a further break down of Frank/oscar road wins.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VA-KmVEAAQBu5.png:large)
Franks ability to win really hard road games is amazing. This chart is very miss leading to a degree, It does' show the quantity of different quality games. oscar has played a decent amount more of top 25 kenpom roadies. Where Frank played a fraction more of 100+ Kenpom road games. It isn't an apple to apple comparison.
I put it in another thread, but 51% of Frank's road Big 12 games were top 50. 66% for oscar. 29% of Frank's were Top 25, 45% for oscar.
Still Frank over won half his road games. oscar is winning 26%, and that's after a 5-4 first year. And his win% vs all categories is way worse. oscar must get better at winning on the road, this year, to keep his job and be a viable Big 12 coach. Its really not even a debate.
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So oscar has had more oppy's for high quality road wins, and managed to get fewer? Excellent point.
Frank is WAY better in every category (except >100 wins).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VLwTGUAAAhYhW.png:large)
oscar has no excuse. None.
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So oscar has had more oppy's for high quality road wins, and managed to get fewer? Excellent point.
Frank is WAY better in every category (except >100 wins).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VLwTGUAAAhYhW.png:large)
oscar has no excuse. None.
It would read better if you broke down like. 1-10, 10-25, 25-50, 50-100. Then you have a better understanding of quality of games played.
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oscar has no excuse. None.
Oh I would be quite certain that he does. That's one thing he never runs out of.
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You could break it down more, but I think the chart is pretty clear.
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are those categories inclusive (that is are the top 10 games also included in the top 25 games, etc)? it looks like they are. i agree with mn, it's misleading to present the data that way, it overrepresents the games against higher rated teams.
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So oscar has had more oppy's for high quality road wins, and managed to get fewer? Excellent point.
Frank is WAY better in every category (except >100 wins).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VLwTGUAAAhYhW.png:large)
oscar has no excuse. None.
It would read better if you broke down like. 1-10, 10-25, 25-50, 50-100. Then you have a better understanding of quality of games played.
I think everyone is pretty clear on their understanding.
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are those categories inclusive (that is are the top 10 games also included in the top 25 games, etc)? it looks like they are. i agree with mn, it's misleading to present the data that way, it overrepresents the games against higher rated teams.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FRoad-wins-3.png&hash=9c8afe4047fc5316f69028c6f7c50a91729013ee)
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:lol:
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yes, that's better. thanks.
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:lol:
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I think the more you break it down, the worse oscar looks.
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I think the more you break it down, the worse oscar looks.
Keep going!
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he has the chance to move into a tie with martin in 26-50 road games with a win tomorrow!
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I think the more you break it down, the worse oscar looks.
It makes Frank time at K-State look special. Being 3-5 in games where you are about 7-13 point dogs with a chance to win hovering between 20-5% is stupid good.
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http://www.illinoishomepage.net/sports/illini/boiler-up-purdue-blows-out-illinois/641737020
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http://www.illinoishomepage.net/sports/illini/boiler-up-purdue-blows-out-illinois/641737020
weber's been practicing for kp30nt his whole life.
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Man, what would happen if the NIT matched up the Cats at Illinois for round #1? Ratings bonanza!
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Illinois would have to make it first.
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#stillnotmycoach
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Dear @colemanbeck,
oscar has outscored big12 opponents on the road this year by an average of 3+ ppg.
Incredible road warrior
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oscar is... overruled.
https://twitter.com/Joel_Jellison/status/821924049211236353
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Oscar is tied for third in the Big 12
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Oscar is tied for third in the Big 12
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That sounds good especially knowing we ain't paying anyone or running a doper den.
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are those categories inclusive (that is are the top 10 games also included in the top 25 games, etc)? it looks like they are. i agree with mn, it's misleading to present the data that way, it overrepresents the games against higher rated teams.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FRoad-wins-3.png&hash=9c8afe4047fc5316f69028c6f7c50a91729013ee)
somehow i missed this thread last year. great stuff FAN!
iyrc, were frank's 5 top 10 road losses all @KU?
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are those categories inclusive (that is are the top 10 games also included in the top 25 games, etc)? it looks like they are. i agree with mn, it's misleading to present the data that way, it overrepresents the games against higher rated teams.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FRoad-wins-3.png&hash=9c8afe4047fc5316f69028c6f7c50a91729013ee)
somehow i missed this thread last year. great stuff FAN!
iyrc, were frank's 5 top 10 road losses all @KU?
I'll have to go back and look.
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Right where he wants to be:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FnwSCh.png&hash=1bb6ce5b12848ce79d3d1f41a404bf2e107963af)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FI4vOH.png&hash=210aa9dd78091734afd0284f294a1c630733e63a)
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Send those graphs to AD Taylor!
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Right where he wants to be
Arguably right where KSU wanted to be too.
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it's just great that both weberites and webervores still have a reason to tune in for the regular season finale.
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it's just great that both weberites and webervores still have a reason to tune in for the regular season finale.
Plus last-minute BeasleyPAK talk.
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someone's going to have to add me to their twitter group text list.