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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: sys on November 29, 2016, 11:34:29 PM
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335th as of today. rutgers and texas tech are major conference teams with even worse noncons (so far).
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Wow
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oscar is such an unbelievable piece of crap, he's honestly a very garbage human being. I don't like that people assume that he's a good guy just because he loses a bunch of basketball games. If you're in year four and have this schedule, you're attempting to steal at least one more year's salary from your employer. That makes you a shitty person. If you have to trick people into retaining you, then you don't deserve to be employed.
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oscar is in year 5.
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oscar is in year 5.
Time flies when you're losing?
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How does an unbelievably shitty SOS in the non con help oscar keep his job exactly?
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How does an unbelievably shitty SOS in the non con help oscar keep his job exactly?
I think the thought process is that you'll escape the non-con w/o any losses, and hope that you get lucky and pick up some good wins in conference and sneak into the tournament. If you play good teams throughout the year, you're more likely to be exposed. It's not a strategy w/o it's drawbacks (committee hates weak schedules), but I can't see any other reason for having this schedule. It doesn't make us a better basketball team.
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How does an unbelievably shitty SOS in the non con help oscar keep his job exactly?
the wildcat saluters only look at the W/L column and moral victories
being almost there is really good enough because we're k-state and we do things the right way and we could be UNC if we wanted to cheat like them but we're better than that because we know the value of hard work and work ethic because we grew up on farms and have 16 goals.
the worst part is that it's not just oscar. we're being sold a 1998 ford Taurus with 190,000 miles on it for $6k at 18% interest and currie is complicit in this bullshit sales job. because we know his hands are on our schedules (see: FB @ Stanford) and he's doing everything he can to make his fan base believe he made a good hire in oscar.
i support currie as much as i can but treating your alumni like we're all rough ridin' idiots doesn't fly
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Well, we've had top 20ish the past couple years, so this will give oscar an opportunity to show that he can fail to make the tournament regardless of schedule.
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Green Bay, however. They're terrifying.
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An easy OOC makes it harder to make the tournament IMO. The more you reduce your games against Top 50 or Top 100 teams, the less your margin for error. I don't think empty wins against all these >200 teams will matter to even the crazy loyal supporters if this team doesn't make postseason.
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If the tournament-selectors (who are really schedule-makers when you think about it) don't put a 20-ish-win 'cat team in the 2017 field, it just shows that they're oscar haters and he should be given more time to stick it to them.
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If the tournament-selectors (who are really schedule-makers when you think about it) don't put a 20-ish-win 'cat team in the 2017 field, it just shows that they're oscar haters and he should be given more time to stick it to them.
Yeah, the average tuck is just going to support oscar even more fervently if we're left out of the tourney with 20+ wins. oscar knows exactly what he's doing.
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I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.
I suspect we might.
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I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.
I suspect we might.
I wonder if Illinois will keep Groce (who is worse) longer than we keep oscar.
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I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.
I suspect we might.
I wonder if Illinois will keep Groce (who is worse) longer than we keep oscar.
Groce, in my estimation, is the only effective counter argument to firing oscar. Although, I think the moral of the story there is that it's not wise to give college basketball coaches too much time. You either have it or you don't. Not a lot of coaches get it turned around after five or six seasons. Much more likely to hit if you keep trying different options. Hanging on to your mediocre coach to avoid hiring a bad coach is no way to go through life.
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I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.
I suspect we might.
He's in adequate health.
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I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.
I suspect we might.
I wonder if Illinois will keep Groce (who is worse) longer than we keep oscar.
I think they won't, but then again they have a recent history of hiring shitty shitty coaches and hanging on to th for way too long.
His recent recruiting class is what kept him from getting canned last year I think.
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His recent recruiting class is what kept him from getting canned last year I think.
Didn't oscar hang on for similar reasons? I would think Illinois would learn their lesson.
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His recent recruiting class is what kept him from getting canned last year I think.
Didn't oscar hang on for similar reasons? I would think Illinois would learn their lesson.
One would think, but alas Illinois is one messed up Athletic Department. Their sequence of hires in football and basketball over the past decade or so has been disastrous. I do think that if Illinois fails to make the tournament this year he's probably gone.
Here's the class: http://illinois.247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/Commits
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Some people get completely obsessed by the theoretical "tuck", it's very interesting
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It will be funny when we get 0 road wins this year.
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I never felt that this schedule was to help us get in the NCAA, but rather to help us get into the NIT. When we end the year with 18/19 wins, we will probably get in the NIT, and then oscar's trajectory is suddenly pointing up.
I fully believe if we get in the NIT, oscar is here another year easily.
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I never felt that this schedule was to help us get in the NCAA, but rather to help us get into the NIT. When we end the year with 18/19 wins, we will probably get in the NIT, and then oscar's trajectory is suddenly pointing up.
I fully believe if we get in the NIT, oscar is here another year easily.
I hope you're wrong, but the more and more i think about it, my gut thinks you're correct.
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Of course he is correct. oscar will get an extension this year if he gets an NIT bid. This has always been the case since Fostergate.
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Some people get completely obsessed by the theoretical "tuck", it's very interesting
It's frustrating because you can't have a basketball conversation on here without someone interjecting it into the conversation as if it's something tangible.
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up to 334th. utah joins rutgers and tech on the list of major conf teams with a lower rated sos.
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improved to 327th following slu. enjoy it while you can, the schedulemakers have done our sos no favors with the next game.
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will pv a&m overlook us as they prep for their match up against tsu?
we can only hope
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the bad news is that it's down to 338th. the good news is that this is as bad as it gets. a new dawn is rising over oppys in the 100s and 200s.
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205 washington state in the sprint center followed by the 128 mike from fort collins's. we then wrap up this pos non con with 220 gardner webb.
then BRING ON THE LONGHORNS
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I have been calling for oscar's noggin' since the Kentucky loss. After all this time, I'm of the mind to demand why anyone who wants to fire him now, when they had sufficient reason for the 3 years previous to do the same, can justify it now?
We weren't rebuilding when he was hired - we were pretty decent.
He ran what we had into the ground, then when he lucked upon some talent, he ran THAT off.
So why not just leave oscar be?
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Announcer during Texas-Michigan game "kudos for the teams scheduling this game, Texas could be playing Prairieview A&M right now."
Uh, no they couldn't be, because KSU literally just played them, dumbass.
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I have been calling for oscar's noggin' since the Kentucky loss. After all this time, I'm of the mind to demand why anyone who wants to fire him now, when they had sufficient reason for the 3 years previous to do the same, can justify it now?
We weren't rebuilding when he was hired - we were pretty decent.
He ran what we had into the ground, then when he lucked upon some talent, he ran THAT off.
So why not just leave oscar be?
so you are a quitter?
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As I sit watching Xavier play at Colorado, I'm reminded that guys like Chris Mack aren't afraid to play anyone, anywhere and it seems to work for him. Xavier lost, but the growth a team gets from these kinds of games, assuming their coach is actually viewed as a legitimate leader and not a play hard chart kind of bad person, is more important than slaughtering another member of the SWAC.
The one way I contend oscar is just like Wooldridge is the fact that his players don't view him as a legitimate leader. If that is the dynamic, then there is no chance to get back to where we were that short time ago when we played basketball with marbles.
NIT birth keeps oscar around, I'm of that mindset.
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the bad news is that it's down to 338th. the good news is that this is as bad as it gets. a new dawn is rising over oppys in the 100s and 200s.
welp, i was wrong. down to 345th. for the first time all year, afaik, tech moves ahead of us to 343rd.
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This is just the absolute shittiest collection of teams I can remember us playing. Every game I think to myself, "My god, that's the worst basketball team I've ever seen." But then the next game I think the same thing. Nothing about this non-con has been fun in the least.
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This is just the absolute shittiest collection of teams I can remember us playing. Every game I think to myself, "My god, that's the worst basketball team I've ever seen." But then the next game I think the same thing. Nothing about this non-con has been fun in the least.
Yea, it's been super hard to GAF about basketball this year. Hoping that changes at conference play
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This is just the absolute shittiest collection of teams I can remember us playing. Every game I think to myself, "My god, that's the worst basketball team I've ever seen." But then the next game I think the same thing. Nothing about this non-con has been fun in the least.
Yea, it's been super hard to GAF about basketball this year. Hoping that changes at conference play
It will be super hard to GAF about basketball during conference play when the BruceCats are getting their asses handed to them every game
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They won't. The Big XII isn't good this year.
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They won't. The Big XII isn't good this year.
Yea, the Big 12 is just gross, no talent pussies. amiriteguys?
Only 5 of the top 39 NBA prospects for the '17 draft and the likely #1 pick:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft)
Plus, totally gross and disgusting coaches that hardly belong at this level. I'm looking at one in particular, the world's greatest and cleanest basketball coach if only America were great again he'd find success on the prairie, but the liberal schedule makers and cheating ass bastards at other schools, like the Chinese, are preventing greatness.
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/808726771575169024
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/808726771575169024
if there was online voice change software that i could run that through, i might listen just to hear him try to defend and excuse the schedule. or blame it on someone else. but in lieu of that, i just can't listen.
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cats up to 338th. lmao @ tech with the 343rd hardest schedule in college bball.
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if there was online voice change software that i could run that through, i might listen just to hear him try to defend and excuse the schedule. or blame it on someone else. but in lieu of that, i just can't listen.
you could download it and playback at half speed
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As gottlieb pointed out yesterday, it's absurd to differentiate a win against a team ranked between 100-370whatever as being better than another.
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As gottlieb pointed out yesterday, it's absurd to differentiate a win against a team ranked between 100-370whatever as being better than another.
That wasn't his point at all, there is a gigantic difference between beating a team separated by 250 places in the RPI.
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As gottlieb pointed out yesterday, it's absurd to differentiate a win against a team ranked between 100-370whatever as being better than another.
That wasn't his point at all, there is a gigantic difference between beating a team separated by 250 places in the RPI.
No there isn't and the rpi is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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I never felt that this schedule was to help us get in the NCAA, but rather to help us get into the NIT. When we end the year with 18/19 wins, we will probably get in the NIT, and then oscar's trajectory is suddenly pointing up.
I fully believe if we get in the NIT, oscar is here another year easily.
Yes, I believe this is absolutely true. Sadly.
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I never felt that this schedule was to help us get in the NCAA, but rather to help us get into the NIT. When we end the year with 18/19 wins, we will probably get in the NIT, and then oscar's trajectory is suddenly pointing up.
I fully believe if we get in the NIT, oscar is here another year easily.
Yes, I believe this is absolutely true. Sadly.
The windows for the NIT is so small after they added additional auto bids. Any logic built around the NIT is just silly.
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As gottlieb pointed out yesterday, it's absurd to differentiate a win against a team ranked between 100-370whatever as being better than another.
what in the eff does this mean
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at 344th with the last noncon game until the end of january completed. tech, those bastards, at 349th. that's out of 351 teams.
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This is maybe the worst OOC in K-State history.
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This is maybe the worst OOC in K-State history.
and tech still beat us.
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bruno weber, the man with the plan
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"I did all the scheduling at Purdue when I was an assistant there to Gene Keady and he told me then, when I was young, that scheduling was more important than recruiting."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24404641/oscar-weber-kstate-would-consider-a-series-with-wichita-state
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"I did all the scheduling at Purdue when I was an assistant there to Gene Keady and he told me then, when I was young, that scheduling was more important than recruiting."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24404641/oscar-weber-kstate-would-consider-a-series-with-wichita-state
It is this kind of stuff guys, this rough ridin' kind of stuff, that ruins him for me, even when he has a team playing pretty well.
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I just try to ignore any and all oscar quotes now.
I enjoy watching this team play.
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I just try to ignore any and all oscar quotes now.
I enjoy watching this team play.
Yea, it is necessary and this team has become a pleasant surprise, notwithstanding the strength of schedule. They do seem like a cohesive unit.
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cats up to 338th. lmao @ tech with the 343rd hardest schedule in college bball.
According to CBS we are 272 as of just now. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos
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adding in the tenn game and now with the season mostly in the books so we have a better idea of how good those teams we played actually were:
noncon sos - 309th out of 351. major conf schools with worse noncons include oregon state, boston college, utah, virginia tech, wvu and rutgers. texas tech's noncon sos is 351st out of 351.
toughest three games were: maryland - 31st, tenn - 42nd, and csu - 95th.
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adding in the tenn game and now with the season mostly in the books so we have a better idea of how good those teams we played actually were:
noncon sos - 309th out of 351. major conf schools with worse noncons include oregon state, boston college, utah, virginia tech, wvu and rutgers. texas tech's noncon sos is 351st out of 351.
toughest three games were: maryland - 31st, tenn - 42nd, and csu - 95th.
the weird teams we always play in october/november have any shot of helping that in a couple of weeks(championship week auto bids)? hampton st. louis ect
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adding in the tenn game and now with the season mostly in the books so we have a better idea of how good those teams we played actually were:
noncon sos - 309th out of 351. major conf schools with worse noncons include oregon state, boston college, utah, virginia tech, wvu and rutgers. texas tech's noncon sos is 351st out of 351.
toughest three games were: maryland - 31st, tenn - 42nd, and csu - 95th.
the weird teams we always play in october/november have any shot of helping that in a couple of weeks(championship week auto bids)? hampton st. louis ect
Not really. Hampton and Green Bay are both competitive (top 3) in their league and may steal a spot by winning league tournaments, but that won't bump us any really.
CSU has a great shot to win the Mountain West, but the league isn't that great.
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adding in the tenn game and now with the season mostly in the books so we have a better idea of how good those teams we played actually were:
noncon sos - 309th out of 351. major conf schools with worse noncons include oregon state, boston college, utah, virginia tech, wvu and rutgers. texas tech's noncon sos is 351st out of 351.
toughest three games were: maryland - 31st, tenn - 42nd, and csu - 95th.
the weird teams we always play in october/november have any shot of helping that in a couple of weeks(championship week auto bids)? hampton st. louis ect
Not really. Hampton and Green Bay are both competitive (top 3) in their league and may steal a spot by winning league tournaments, but that won't bump us any really.
CSU has a great shot to win the Mountain West, but the league isn't that great.
well that sucks, we better go on a streak to finish the season that sos is embarrassing