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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: doom on November 28, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
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We need a thread for this now that LSU and Texas have hired some people.
Let the good times roll! :Woot: :ksu: :billdance:
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Should we go ahead and throw 2017 on to that title?
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
I'm gonna go with Chad Morris from SMU.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
I'm gonna go with Chad Morris from SMU.
Sean Snyder.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
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They are so delusional. :facepalm:
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
They were paying Art the father of rapests around 4.3 mil. How much do these other coaches make? Seems like they'll pay for who they want.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
Power 5 conference school in Texas just outside the DFW metro with two conference championships in the last 3 years and a brand new football stadium.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
Power 5 conference school in Texas just outside the DFW metro with two conference championships in the last 3 years and a brand new football stadium.
They have one 2017 recruit committed.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
Power 5 conference school in Texas just outside the DFW metro with two conference championships in the last 3 years and a brand new football stadium.
Hahahahahaha no freaking way. If they could get those guys Chad Morris wouldn't have been their first target.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
Power 5 conference school in Texas just outside the DFW metro with two conference championships in the last 3 years and a brand new football stadium.
Yes, baylor and scottwild are both delusional. Al Grobe wouldn't even volunteer for year 2, and smu guy told them to kick rocks.
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Baylor should hire Art Briles.
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Am I missing something on Sonny Dykes? His Cal teams seem very underwhelming. I see that list of 4 targets and he seems several notices below the rest.
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You all have a much higher opinion of 41-45 Sonny Dykes than I do, I guess.
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great way to shave a couple mil off art's contract
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Am I missing something on Sonny Dykes? His Cal teams seem very underwhelming. I see that list of 4 targets and he seems several notices below the rest.
He's employed and presumably has some career ambitions, thus he is unlikely to commit careet suicide at a place that is imploading and on its way to probation.
I mean, surely you at least happened to overhear what a crap show disaster baylor is right now.
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Coaches are going to let some desperate Beaty like schmuck to clean up the mess in Waco, then they'll take the job.
Dykes is waiting for Kingsbury to get fired.
They probably won't consider him due to his connection to Briles, but they should target Philip Montgomery.
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How about Charlie Weis for Baylor? :lol:
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How about Charlie Weis for Baylor? :lol:
That would be about the only thing that could make this Baylor situation more enjoyable for the rest of the non-rapey colleges.
Power 5 conference school in Texas just outside the DFW metro with two conference championships in the last 3 years and a brand new football stadium.
They have basically no recruits for their 2017 class, no coach picked out for next year, no plan for a transition, the stadium you speak of isn't that great and the university had to borrow all kinds of money to pay for it, there is still and ongoing investigation that slowly keeps trickling out atrocious details of the happenings at this school, it's a complete PR nightmare, no one knows if the NCAA is going to ever step in and institute any kind of penalty of their own, and the school just down the road in Austin hired a new and exciting coach,. No way any coach with brains is touching that situation with a ten foot pole.
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As somebody else said, any halfway legit P5 coach isn't going to be interested until the next guy cleans it up some. I think Baylor hoped that would be Grobe but not so much.
Baylor should just hire someone with a lot of Texas connections so the cupboard isn't bare when they bomb out.
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They have basically no recruits for their 2017 class, no coach picked out for next year, no plan for a transition, the stadium you speak of isn't that great and the university had to borrow all kinds of money to pay for it, there is still and ongoing investigation that slowly keeps trickling out atrocious details of the happenings at this school, it's a complete PR nightmare, no one knows if the NCAA is going to ever step in and institute any kind of penalty of their own, and the school just down the road in Austin hired a new and exciting coach,. No way any coach with brains is touching that situation with a ten foot pole.
Exactly. There's simply not enough lipstick to put on this pig.
This would probably be a great time to take a chance on some up-and-coming assistant coach with no HC experience. They are down to one (ONE!!) recruit for 2017 after the other bailed on Sunday.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/11/27/13757136/baylor-2017-recruiting-class-only-one-commit (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/11/27/13757136/baylor-2017-recruiting-class-only-one-commit)
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They may actually end up being worse than they were pre-Briles.
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As somebody else said, any halfway legit P5 coach isn't going to be interested until the next guy cleans it up some. I think Baylor hoped that would be Grobe but not so much.
Baylor should just hire someone with a lot of Texas connections so the cupboard isn't bare when they bomb out.
Coach Fran checks that box.
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I would lose it if they hire Beatty
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They may actually end up being worse than they were pre-Briles.
I think I would enjoy this outcome immensely.
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Herman's wife is the best! :love:
https://twitter.com/belletjh/status/803397188369915904
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Wait.. so did Baylor really offer Morris basically 5 million per for 5 years?
He's a complete dumbass if he doesn't take that, even if he isn't successful.
Just cash those checks for 5 years. I mean, Beaty would have to coach at KU for like the next 50 years to make that much.
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Herman's wife is the best! :love:
https://twitter.com/belletjh/status/803397188369915904
Ironic
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Who is john
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Baylor should hire Chip Gaines!
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Baylor should hire Chip Gaines!
shiplap the upper deck
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that 1 recruit must really love assault
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Wait.. so did Baylor really offer Morris basically 5 million per for 5 years?
He's a complete dumbass if he doesn't take that, even if he isn't successful.
Just cash those checks for 5 years. I mean, Beaty would have to coach at KU for like the next 50 years to make that much.
He's holding out for a similar offer from A&M.
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Who is john
His co host in Houston. Nick left his hometown for Houston and then jumped ship to FS1 as soon as they came calling. It's very ironic that he would act this way towards coach herman.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2016/03/28/a-thank-you-and-farewell-from-nick-wright/
He's now a weekly guest with Cowherd. He finally went #Hollywood.
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Baylor should hire Chip Gaines!
shiplap the upper deck
actually need it on the field wall
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Sounds like Nick Wright has been pretty successful at sports radioing
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He's also a huge hypocrite. #EducateYourself #DoYourResearch
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that 1 recruit must really love assault
You spelled rape incorrectly.
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They may actually end up being worse than they were pre-Briles.
Man, I really hope so. We used to be awesome when Baylor was terrible. Coincidence?!? Who knows.
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Frees up a lot of TX recruits
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Frees up a lot of TX recruits
Lol
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Baylor should hire Art Briles.
Houston is interested...
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman)
"Do I think that Briles got a bad rap to some degree? Obviously he did. But at the same time, you're the boss, and there was an issue there. So there's an issue. Does everybody deserve to be forgiven? Yes. There's a lot of controversy surrounding him. I think he's a great football coach, and we'll just have to see where it goes from here."
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Baylor should hire Art Briles.
Houston is interested...
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman)
"Do I think that Briles got a bad rap to some degree? Obviously he did. But at the same time, you're the boss, and there was an issue there. So there's an issue. Does everybody deserve to be forgiven? Yes. There's a lot of controversy surrounding him. I think he's a great football coach, and we'll just have to see where it goes from here."
Big difference between forgiving someone and giving them the ability to commit the same crimes again. I mean jfc people. An accountant that steals deserves to be forgiven, doesn't mean he should be an accountant again.
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Helfrich out at Oregon
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Helfrich out at Oregon
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crap, I earlier predicted he has the perfect resumé for a Currie hire.
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Sounds like Baylor needs Sean Snyder.
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PJ Fleck is for sure the next coach at Oregon, right?
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Sounds like Baylor needs Sean Snyder.
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I'm OK with this.
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my oregon insiders are saying there is 0% chance of that happening, apparently he was so close to helfrich that he wouldnt even take the job if offered.
really makes you think...
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Baylor should hire Art Briles.
Houston is interested...
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman)
"Do I think that Briles got a bad rap to some degree? Obviously he did. But at the same time, you're the boss, and there was an issue there. So there's an issue. Does everybody deserve to be forgiven? Yes. There's a lot of controversy surrounding him. I think he's a great football coach, and we'll just have to see where it goes from here."
Big difference between forgiving someone and giving them the ability to commit the same crimes again. I mean jfc people. An accountant that steals deserves to be forgiven, doesn't mean he should be an accountant again.
Yea, honestly if Briles is even allowed to be a head coach at the collegiate level again, I would question the entire purpose of the NCAA.
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PJ Fleck is for sure the next coach at Oregon, right?
For sure? No.
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I know he's probably staying at SMU, but can someone tell me what the appeal is for this Morris guy? Beating Houston?
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that Oregon press release is kind of insane
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Youngish, former TX high school coach, former Clemson OC, has SMU improving. Maybe he is recruiting TX well?
It's still a stretch but I get a middling/low P5 trying to lock him in prior to the big boys being interested. It's not that different than Beatty to KU except both sides of the equation are a couple levels better.
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Youngish, former TX high school coach, former Clemson OC, has SMU improving. Maybe he is recruiting TX well?
It's still a stretch but I get a middling/low P5 trying to lock him in prior to the big boys being interested. It's not that different than Beatty to KU except both sides of the equation are a couple levels better.
True. I suppose all this talk could be similar to Mangino" turning down" Notre Dame.
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Youngish, former TX high school coach, former Clemson OC, has SMU improving. Maybe he is recruiting TX well?
It's still a stretch but I get a middling/low P5 trying to lock him in prior to the big boys being interested. It's not that different than Beatty to KU except both sides of the equation are a couple levels better.
beatty was a WR coach with no HC experience
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Youngish, former TX high school coach, former Clemson OC, has SMU improving. Maybe he is recruiting TX well?
It's still a stretch but I get a middling/low P5 trying to lock him in prior to the big boys being interested. It's not that different than Beatty to KU except both sides of the equation are a couple levels better.
True. I suppose all this talk could be similar to Mangino" turning down" Notre Dame.
I'm pretty sure Baylor interviewed him and made him an offer. He was their best candidate.
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Youngish, former TX high school coach, former Clemson OC, has SMU improving. Maybe he is recruiting TX well?
It's still a stretch but I get a middling/low P5 trying to lock him in prior to the big boys being interested. It's not that different than Beatty to KU except both sides of the equation are a couple levels better.
beatty was a WR coach with no HC experience
Beatty was definitely worse but I think both are largely unproven.
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Baylor's best best is to overpay with guaranteed money and potentially go longer than a standard deal (i.e. 5 years).
If they were to go after a $2 million guy, pay him $3 million, and give him a 6 or 7 year deal loaded with incentives and promises of increased salary based on performance markers.
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Sounds perfect for Dana Dimel.
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I know he's probably staying at SMU, but can someone tell me what the appeal is for this Morris guy? Beating Houston?
The appeal is to Baylor only, they're trying to rediscover Art Briles. It's the same reason they're now going after Sonny Dykes.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/804344237810733056
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Don't do it, Les. You're P5 worthy.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/804344237810733056
Lane would set a new standard for cheating in the modern era, at Houston, IMO. Would be fun to watch.
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Kevin Wilson just got fired at Indiana. Given the timing either they just reached a deal with someone the AD really likes and had to get so he wouldn't get hired somewhere else or Wilson did something to piss the AD off or embarrass the school.
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Kevin Wilson just got fired at Indiana. Given the timing either they just reached a deal with someone the AD really likes and had to get so he wouldn't get hired somewhere else or Wilson did something to piss the AD off or embarrass the school.
yeah, just going off my gut he seemed to do pretty damn well there. They were usually competitive with tOSU & Mich even. Hell, didn't he beat Mizzou one year when they won the SEC East?
Maybe they want PJ?
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after back to back bowls at indiana? wonder who already accepted
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Players are coming out saying player treatment/concussions. One players dad just came out saying son had preseason concussion in 2015, he got rushed back, and "symptoms went haywire".
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Players are coming out saying player treatment/concussions. One players dad just came out saying son had preseason concussion in 2015, he got rushed back, and "symptoms went haywire".
Ah. Wonder if the same would ever happen to Snyder?
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Players are coming out saying player treatment/concussions. One players dad just came out saying son had preseason concussion in 2015, he got rushed back, and "symptoms went haywire".
Ah. Wonder if the same would ever happen to Snyder?
Eventually?
At least 3 (Paterno, Bowden, Hayes) of the other 9 had pretty bad endings, right?
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https://twitter.com/GabeIkard/status/804429644200050688
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Players are coming out saying player treatment/concussions. One players dad just came out saying son had preseason concussion in 2015, he got rushed back, and "symptoms went haywire".
Man, coaches are stupid
https://twitter.com/GabeIkard/status/804429644200050688
No surprise crap like this happens in a Stoops program, I'm sure at some point Mike has literally shat on someone
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https://twitter.com/3rzns/status/804444179107549184
https://twitter.com/Loechel57/status/804455336488927232
https://twitter.com/Loechel57/status/804456971676110850
The first is the supposedly the player that started all this. The second is a teammate.
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Kevin Wilson just got fired at Indiana. Given the timing either they just reached a deal with someone the AD really likes and had to get so he wouldn't get hired somewhere else or Wilson did something to piss the AD off or embarrass the school.
My FIL golfs and dines with Wilson occasionally, so I'll try to get some info, but it looks like there was some minor player mistreatment that the school that employed Bob Knight couldn't afford to look the other way on. A 1990's style coaching in 2016.
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https://twitter.com/3rzns/status/804444179107549184
https://twitter.com/Loechel57/status/804455336488927232
https://twitter.com/Loechel57/status/804456971676110850
The first is the supposedly the player that started all this. The second is a teammate.
Kyle Loechel seems like a proper dickhead
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They fired him and settled for only $550k in return for a confidentiality agreement in which they only say "philosophical differences".
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They fired him and settled for only $550k in return for a confidentiality agreement in which they only say "philosophical differences".
philosophical differences, hmm.
macroevolution?
biological materialism?
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Classical Interpretivism vs Historical-Particularism?
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They fired him and settled for only $550k in return for a confidentiality agreement in which they only say "philosophical differences".
That is one year of his tiny salary
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Purdue is reportedly moving on from PJ to focus on Jeff Brohm.
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Purdue is reportedly moving on from PJ to focus on Jeff Brohm.
He should turn them down too. Purdue is one of the current ten worst P5 jobs, if you're a current FBS coach you have no business taking that job, they're even in the wrong division.
I think I'm about to spend the next 24 hours going at it with gross Baylor fans.
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Why would you do this if you were Oregon, they basically just fired the same guy. A former Offensive assistant.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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Why would you do this if you were Oregon, they basically just fired the same guy. A former Offensive assistant.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
They're not going to hire him but he's a very different personality than Helfrich.
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Briles no longer being considered for Houston.
Houston's board chairman Tilman Fertitta wanted to include Briles in the interview process but ultimately was overruled by school president Renu Khator and athletic director Hunter Yurachek, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview)
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Briles no longer being considered for Houston.
Houston's board chairman Tilman Fertitta wanted to include Briles in the interview process but ultimately was overruled by school president Renu Khator and athletic director Hunter Yurachek, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview)
The best part about this story is Fertitta releasing his own statement saying he didn't ask for Briles to be interviewed because if he wanted him interviewed they would have interviewed him.
Some of these boosters are out of control. Houston has a reality show star bossing the entire university, and some of you wanted them in our conference, smh panjandrum.
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Briles no longer being considered for Houston.
Houston's board chairman Tilman Fertitta wanted to include Briles in the interview process but ultimately was overruled by school president Renu Khator and athletic director Hunter Yurachek, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview)
The best part about this story is Fertitta releasing his own statement saying he didn't ask for Briles to be interviewed because if he wanted him interviewed they would have interviewed him.
Some of these boosters are out of control. Houston has a reality show star bossing the entire university, and some of you wanted them in our conference, smh panjandrum.
We all have one bossing the country :dunno:
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WVU announced at last nights postgame presser that they just finished up Holgorsen's 5 year extension.
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Tommy Tubbs is going to resign at Cincinatti
Leading candidates to replace Tuberville include Western Kentucky's Jeff Brohm, Western Michigan's PJ Fleck and Troy's Neal Brown, sources said.
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RIP Tuberville
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Tommy Tubbs is going to resign at Cincinatti
Leading candidates to replace Tuberville include Western Kentucky's Jeff Brohm, Western Michigan's PJ Fleck and Troy's Neal Brown, sources said.
Chuck Strong is a much better fit at Cincinnati than any of those guys, including my guy Phillip John Fleck.
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Tommy Tubbs is going to resign at Cincinatti
Leading candidates to replace Tuberville include Western Kentucky's Jeff Brohm, Western Michigan's PJ Fleck and Troy's Neal Brown, sources said.
Auburn really took it out of him.
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Tommy Tubbs is going to resign at Cincinatti
Leading candidates to replace Tuberville include Western Kentucky's Jeff Brohm, Western Michigan's PJ Fleck and Troy's Neal Brown, sources said.
Chuck Strong is a much better fit at Cincinnati than any of those guys, including my guy Phillip John Fleck.
He's spent a long time in the southeast. He might rather have the USF job after Taggart leaves.
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True. Are you of the thought Taggart is getting Oregon?
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Tommy needs to hit the TV studio and stay there.
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True. Are you of the thought Taggart is getting Oregon?
My opinion is formed solely from the 4 podcasts I listen to, which I'm pretty sure you listen to as well.
That said, I have a feeling that Oregon goes with someone somewhat established in the west, like a Bryan Harsin. However, if they can get either Taggart or Rhule they should jump on either in a heartbeat. I could also see a small chance of Gundy.
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tommy is a trash human being
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tommy is a trash human being
Probably
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Briles no longer being considered for Houston.
Houston's board chairman Tilman Fertitta wanted to include Briles in the interview process but ultimately was overruled by school president Renu Khator and athletic director Hunter Yurachek, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18193759/houston-cougars-not-considering-art-briles-coaching-job-lane-kiffin-les-miles-interview)
The best part about this story is Fertitta releasing his own statement saying he didn't ask for Briles to be interviewed because if he wanted him interviewed they would have interviewed him.
Some of these boosters are out of control. Houston has a reality show star bossing the entire university, and some of you wanted them in our conference, smh panjandrum.
Boosters are out of control everywhere.
How long have the Vaniers kept Venables at bay? How long did T. Boone force OSU to retain Ford? Insert any SEC school here. Anything Racist Red McCombs has done at UT?
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um dudes, we have a reality tv guy bossing our country now
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Charlie Strong would be great at USF. He deserves to end his career in a nice city.
PJ needs to hold out for a P5 job, but Houston would be a launching pad. He could make a huge jump from there like Herman did.
Tubs at a Sun Belt school feels right.
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Brohm now being pursued by Purdue, Cincinnati, and Baylor. Interviewed with Baylor yesterday.
https://www.landof10.com/purdue/western-kentucky-coach-jeff-brohm-purdue-coaching-job (https://www.landof10.com/purdue/western-kentucky-coach-jeff-brohm-purdue-coaching-job)
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Brohm going to Purdue.
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Brohm going to Purdue.
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Congrats, Purdue!
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/805810569928470529
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https://twitter.com/rallengopokes/status/805946601894199302
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:lol: Jimmy Sexton gonna Jimmy Sexton.
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:lol: Jimmy Sexton gonna Jimmy Sexton.
dude wrote the book on getting people big contracts
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That is one bluff I wouldn't call if I was OSU. Gundy is going to Frank himself if he doesn't watch out.
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https://twitter.com/jasonkingbr/status/805960636928770048
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https://twitter.com/jasonkingbr/status/805960636928770048
https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/805974173201944576
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https://twitter.com/jasonkingbr/status/805960636928770048
https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/805974173201944576
is jason "the king" king referring to himself in his tweet?
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Oklahoma State fans are starting to panic a little that Gundy is leaving. Not the Baylor thing, but in general.
Gundy said something the other day that has some local background and hit a nerve. Gundy said something about being here 10+years and after that long people get tired of you. When Billy Tubbs left OU he said something along the lines of "no one should have any job more than 10 years, by then both sides are tired of everyother, things go stale, and it's best for everyone to move on". Pat Jones is on OKC radio in the morning and Tulsa over lunch. He constantly repeats that Tubbs quote on the radio. Now OSU fans think Pat is in his ear with the Tubbs advice since Gundy basically said the same thing.
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If he's talking Baylor, Phil Knight should be on the first thing smoking out of NW Oregon. I know he's probably far too good to fly to nasty ass Stillwater, but Gundy is far more accomplished than anyone else they will land and unlike Fleck, Harsin, and Taggart; he runs an offense similar to what Chip ran.
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He's not going to be a lifer at OSU. I don't think he's leaving this year, but if Oregon is viable I think he looks long and hard. I think it'd be a family decision more than anything.
Above I mentioned Jimmy Sexton, but after looking, I don't think Sexton is his agent anymore.
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https://twitter.com/jasonkingbr/status/805960636928770048
https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/805974173201944576
Welp!
https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/806013629837537284
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Baylor hired some Temple scrub. Big victory for the cats.
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Who do you guys think Baylor will end up with? I'm thinking maybe Bo Pelini or Dennis Franchione.
With Morris most likely out, the names we’re hearing most often are North Carolina’s Larry Fedora, Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre and Cal’s Sonny Dykes.
http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625 (http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-football-coaching-search-Larry-Fedora-Mike-McIntyre-enter-49362625)
Either i'm incredibly ignorant to their place in the college football pecking order or they are.
Power 5 conference school in Texas just outside the DFW metro with two conference championships in the last 3 years and a brand new football stadium.
Sup idiots
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Baylor hired some Temple scrub. Big victory for the cats.
Lol this is horrible for the big 12 teams hoping Baylor would suck.
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Baylor hired some Temple scrub. Big victory for the cats.
Lol this is horrible for the big 12 teams hoping Baylor would suck.
Yeah. He's a much better coach that I expected them to get. I wonder what they are going to pay him.
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I think going with a guy whose DC and position coach was Jerry Sandusky was a great move for Baylor in their current situation.
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Look at Baylor's 2017 recruiting class. 1 commit.
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Baylor hired some Temple scrub. Big victory for the cats.
Are you a bot designed to say nothing but stupid crap?
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Baylor hired some Temple scrub. Big victory for the cats.
Are you a bot designed to say nothing but stupid crap?
You would be amazed at the amount of crap I don't say.
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Better than I expected, only because I didn't think any respectable coach would entertain the idea. Obviously this guy was way down their list and is a pretty mediocre hire under any other circumstance. This guy has zero Texas connections so he's going to need a couple recruiters with an eye for rapists to get Baylor headed back in the right direction
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and is a pretty mediocre hire under any other circumstance.
Lol this is a better hire than we will make when Bill eventually retires.
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https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/806180598893121536
https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/806180809615048704
https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/806180959343308802
https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/806181896631844865
Jason King is not a fan of the hire...
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https://twitter.com/SportsRadioWIP/status/672511652290387968
https://twitter.com/JamieApody/status/806185074051915777
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very nice hire by Baylor.
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I think going with a guy whose DC and position coach was Jerry Sandusky was a great move for Baylor in their current situation.
match made in hell - the don't ask/don't tell press conferences in Waco will continue
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Never heard of him
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I can't believe but I agree with Jason King on something. This is a really strange hire and I think a bad fit. I'm expecting a Charlie Strong-esque tenure. He'll win a few games he shouldn't, lose some he seemingly shouldn't, miss a couple bowls and move on.
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and is a pretty mediocre hire under any other circumstance.
Lol this is a better hire than we will make when Bill eventually retires.
No it isn't, and I'm not underwhelmed by Rhule. That type of candidate is exactly what we will hire.
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I can't believe but I agree with Jason King on something. This is a really strange hire and I think a bad fit. I'm expecting a Charlie Strong-esque tenure. He'll win a few games he shouldn't, lose some he seemingly shouldn't, miss a couple bowls and move on.
Who constitutes a good fit?
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I think it is a massive scheme shift. Not really sure. But would require more rebuilding that is probably not really needed with that roster.
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I think it is a massive scheme shift. Not really sure. But would require more rebuilding that is probably not really needed with that roster.
It's that but they fanned with the biggest names they tried for that run a similar scheme. I suppose they could have hired Helfrich but Rhule probably has a higher ceiling.
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
has he ever stepped foot in the state of texas?
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
NCAA sanctions for what?
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
has he ever stepped foot in the state of texas?
That's the biggest key.
Really solid hire as far as coaches go, but he may be a little challenged, regionally.
Texas HS coaches loved Briles, and they funneled good kids to him for that reason. I wonder if they'll push back against Ruhle because he's not "one of them" like Art was.
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
has he ever stepped foot in the state of texas?
That's the biggest key.
Really solid hire as far as coaches go, but he may be a little challenged, regionally.
Texas HS coaches loved Briles, and they funneled good kids to him for that reason. I wonder if they'll push back against Ruhle because he's not "one of them" like Art was.
yeah, ignoring Briles, uh, unwavering dedication to winning, the it seemed important that he was the first coach at Baylor since Teaff that is a Texan or as Art so folksy put it during the 2014 CFP debate "When I die, they're not going to bury me in Maryland," he said. "They're going to bury me in Texas."
Maybe they looked at Drew's success as a total outsider to the the state but finding 3 or 4 kids a year in basketball is a lot easier than the 30ish he needs the next few years and Drew also didn't follow the most successful coach in program history.
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
NCAA sanctions for what?
Title 9 violations?
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
has he ever stepped foot in the state of texas?
That's the biggest key.
Really solid hire as far as coaches go, but he may be a little challenged, regionally.
Texas HS coaches loved Briles, and they funneled good kids to him for that reason. I wonder if they'll push back against Ruhle because he's not "one of them" like Art was.
yeah, ignoring Briles, uh, unwavering dedication to winning, the it seemed important that he was the first coach at Baylor since Teaff that is a Texan or as Art so folksy put it during the 2014 CFP debate "When I die, they're not going to bury me in Maryland," he said. "They're going to bury me in Texas."
Maybe they looked at Drew's success as a total outsider to the the state but finding 3 or 4 kids a year in basketball is a lot easier than the 30ish he needs the next few years and Drew also didn't follow the most successful coach in program history.
He'll be fine. Mack was fine, sweaty Gary is fine, Sumlin with his swag copter is fine.
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
NCAA sanctions for what?
Title 9 violations?
That's not a NCAA issue, it's a university issue. If the NCAA is going to start enforcing title IX issues that's going to be a lot of issues for a lot of program and the NCAA would need to expand their enforcement staff about tenfold.
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
I agree. Low Orbit Ion Cannons would be useful in each case.
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Is Baylor gonna get slapped with any NCAA sanctions? Does the temple guy have any Texas connections?
NCAA sanctions for what?
Title 9 violations?
That's not a NCAA issue, it's a university issue. If the NCAA is going to start enforcing title IX issues that's going to be a lot of issues for a lot of program and the NCAA would need to expand their enforcement staff about tenfold.
Ah, okay...This is what I was wondering, I didn't know if it was an NCAA issue or not, thanks MIR!
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and is a pretty mediocre hire under any other circumstance.
Lol this is a better hire than we will make when Bill eventually retires.
Highly doubtful. James Franklin was OC for the last guy we hired.
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and is a pretty mediocre hire under any other circumstance.
Lol this is a better hire than we will make when Bill eventually retires.
Highly doubtful. James Franklin was DC for the last guy we hired.
They all look alike to me too FSD but that was actually Raheem Morris
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Why does Jason King even give a eff?
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Why does Jason King even give a eff?
contrary to popular belief, he didn't actually go to K-thUg. he's a baylor grad
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Why does Jason King even give a eff?
contrary to popular belief, he didn't actually go to K-thUg. he's a baylor grad
LOL, he is an even bigger douche bag than I thought! Wow.
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
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How's that other great temple coach doing at miami?
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
Sure, but they'll be gone in a month as well, any sanctions levied would linger far longer than Kendall and Phil will and that is bullshit.
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Charlie has to be the obvious choice here.
https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/806477238816411648
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Jason King blocked me for asking him if he still thought Art Briles did nothing wrong.
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I don't know much about Taggart, but i thought Oregon would have hired someone better(or stole someone more established).
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Jason King blocked me for asking him if he still thought Art Briles did nothing wrong.
Has anybody ever seen MIR and Jason King in the same room at the same time?
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can confirm gooch has :babywillie:
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Jason King blocked me for asking him if he still thought Art Briles did nothing wrong.
Has anybody ever seen MIR and Jason King in the same room at the same time?
wtf?
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I don't know much about Taggart, but i thought Oregon would have hired someone better(or stole someone more established).
Outside of his record which you can find on wiki or any tweet or press release, he spent his entire adult life around the Harbaugh's. He played and coached for Jack, he also coached for Jim at Stanford. Jim was his best man. This makes me happy.
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I don't know much about Taggart, but i thought Oregon would have hired someone better(or stole someone more established).
Outside of his record which you can find on wiki or any tweet or press release, he spent his entire adult life around the Harbaugh's. He played and coached for Jack, he also coached for Jim at Stanford. Jim was his best man. This makes me happy.
Willie Taggart was turning USF into a really, really good program in a very short amount of time. He's a great coach and someone I hoped would have been on our list had the timing worked out.
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can confirm gooch has :babywillie:
Correct. MIR has never made the pussy hand sign at me from press row in the FOOD.
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
Sure, but they'll be gone in a month as well, any sanctions levied would linger far longer than Kendall and Phil will and that is bullshit.
Dude, I understand that many of the key players are gone or will be leaving, but that entire university deserves to be smashed. Something like this isn't just about a few people running around dropping bags of cash or giving houses to players. Baylor as an institution covered up gang rapes and used the power of the university to hurt students to cover up accusations. This goes well beyond most things we could even compare other instances to. If I recall correctly, you weren't so kind and forgiving to Penn St.
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
Sure, but they'll be gone in a month as well, any sanctions levied would linger far longer than Kendall and Phil will and that is bullshit.
Dude, I understand that many of the key players are gone or will be leaving, but that entire university deserves to be smashed. Something like this isn't just about a few people running around dropping bags of cash or giving houses to players. Baylor as an institution covered up gang rapes and used the power of the university to hurt students to cover up accusations. This goes well beyond most things we could even compare other instances to. If I recall correctly, you weren't so kind and forgiving to Penn St.
You don't recall correctly, I wasn't in favor of NCAA sanctions there either. I'll never be okay with punishing random people for something someone else did.
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
Sure, but they'll be gone in a month as well, any sanctions levied would linger far longer than Kendall and Phil will and that is bullshit.
Dude, I understand that many of the key players are gone or will be leaving, but that entire university deserves to be smashed. Something like this isn't just about a few people running around dropping bags of cash or giving houses to players. Baylor as an institution covered up gang rapes and used the power of the university to hurt students to cover up accusations. This goes well beyond most things we could even compare other instances to. If I recall correctly, you weren't so kind and forgiving to Penn St.
You don't recall correctly, I wasn't in favor of NCAA sanctions there either. I'll never be okay with punishing random people for something someone else did.
How do you say it's random people when many levels of the administration, title 9 office, academic affairs, and various student services offices didn't do what was right? I'm all for letting students out of their commitments (since it's a bullshit plantation system anyways). But when nearly every level of the university is involved in not just a cover up, but punitive action against complainants, and the fan base has rallied around to support the worst of the worst (Briles), how else do you punish them?
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
Sure, but they'll be gone in a month as well, any sanctions levied would linger far longer than Kendall and Phil will and that is bullshit.
Dude, I understand that many of the key players are gone or will be leaving, but that entire university deserves to be smashed. Something like this isn't just about a few people running around dropping bags of cash or giving houses to players. Baylor as an institution covered up gang rapes and used the power of the university to hurt students to cover up accusations. This goes well beyond most things we could even compare other instances to. If I recall correctly, you weren't so kind and forgiving to Penn St.
You don't recall correctly, I wasn't in favor of NCAA sanctions there either. I'll never be okay with punishing random people for something someone else did.
How do you say it's random people when many levels of the administration, title 9 office, academic affairs, and various student services offices didn't do what was right? I'm all for letting students out of their commitments (since it's a bullshit plantation system anyways). But when nearly every level of the university is involved in not just a cover up, but punitive action against complainants, and the fan base has rallied around to support the worst of the worst (Briles), how else do you punish them?
You don't punish them, that's the point.
The levels of administration that we know were complicit are gone edn, even the title IX officer who now says she is a victim. Even if you think that some random provost or something knew and helped cover something up, what will NCAA sanctions do to that person? Nevermind this requires one to make a wild, unproven accusation. Even if they didn't clean house, I'm still not sure of the grounds the NCAA had. The issue of sexual abuse at Baylor was/is a university issue not just an athletics issue. The university holding the honor code over the head of victims wasn't just a football problem. What happened at Baylor was abhorrent, but the NCAA isn't the proper avenue to right the wrongs done there. To make this an athletics issue cheapens what really happened there. Taking some scholarships away and banning kids who didn't rape from a bowl game is misplaced and shallow.
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When BP spills oil into the gulf, the DOJ fines it billions of dollars, which punishes hundreds of thousands of people (employees, shareholders, vendors of BP), despite the fact that only a very few people were involved with the extraordinary circumstances upon which the accident occurred.
I don't see why when the highest up representatives at the AD and university engage in a deliberate and concerted scheme to conceal malfeasance for the benefit of the AD and the university, that the football team as a whole should not be punished.
It's not like these people were embezzling money to buy personal watercraft, they were engaged in this scheme to fascilitte winning football games and enrich the University. They did this under the supervision and direction of its board. The entity is absolutely the responsible party here, and should be punished.
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ever heard of LOIC, stan?
n/a
yeah it is, look at the penn state
Did you forget about them being forced to repeal those sanctions? Also, I feel like I bring this up weekly, none of the people responsible for what happened at Baylor are there, making sanctions even more inappropriate and heavy handed. If you guys want a pound of flesh, maybe you can get it from Liberty?
surprised that you'd have that take. i guess you're of the belief that his senior assistants, including his scumbag son, flew blindly though the accusations, i'm not. they're very much a part of the systemic problem within that program. art may have begrudgingly fallen on the sword but that doesn't mean those other parties had no clue of what was going on.
they spend too much time together to be shielded from it all. they also recruited the individuals involved.
Sure, but they'll be gone in a month as well, any sanctions levied would linger far longer than Kendall and Phil will and that is bullshit.
Dude, I understand that many of the key players are gone or will be leaving, but that entire university deserves to be smashed. Something like this isn't just about a few people running around dropping bags of cash or giving houses to players. Baylor as an institution covered up gang rapes and used the power of the university to hurt students to cover up accusations. This goes well beyond most things we could even compare other instances to. If I recall correctly, you weren't so kind and forgiving to Penn St.
You don't recall correctly, I wasn't in favor of NCAA sanctions there either. I'll never be okay with punishing random people for something someone else did.
How do you say it's random people when many levels of the administration, title 9 office, academic affairs, and various student services offices didn't do what was right? I'm all for letting students out of their commitments (since it's a bullshit plantation system anyways). But when nearly every level of the university is involved in not just a cover up, but punitive action against complainants, and the fan base has rallied around to support the worst of the worst (Briles), how else do you punish them?
You don't punish them, that's the point.
The levels of administration that we know were complicit are gone edn, even the title IX officer who now says she is a victim. Even if you think that some random provost or something knew and helped cover something up, what will NCAA sanctions do to that person? Nevermind this requires one to make a wild, unproven accusation. Even if they didn't clean house, I'm still not sure of the grounds the NCAA had. The issue of sexual abuse at Baylor was/is a university issue not just an athletics issue. The university holding the honor code over the head of victims wasn't just a football problem. What happened at Baylor was abhorrent, but the NCAA isn't the proper avenue to right the wrongs done there. To make this an athletics issue cheapens what really happened there. Taking some scholarships away and banning kids who didn't rape from a bowl game is misplaced and shallow.
Whoa, who is stopping with the NCAA? I agree 100% it's a university issue and an athletics issue. I happen to think that Baylor should be punished to the maximum extent in athletics, criminal, or through any applicable lawsuits. My point is that we have such an egregious case here every organization that can exercise punitive action against Baylor should. If this was a grades or payment issue we would expect the NCAA to take swift action against the athletics program. There are clear ethics in athletics issues with this case, especially when the entire AD it seems was involved in some way or another. Competing in the NCAA's cartel of sports is a 'privileged' and should be treated as such. When you violate the rules around sportsmanship and ethical conduct to this degree I don't see how any member institution can stomach them fielding a team. Those goes well beyond football indeed, and includes the entire AD. That is why I've said the entire AD should be punished. Quite frankly, one of the most punitive ways to reprimand and send a clear message that your AD must be in order is to do a death penalty for the football team (at least). That sends the message to the entire university that the appropriate bodies are willing to extinguish the face of the university in the face of such horrible abuses.
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Houston AD:
https://twitter.com/HunterYurachek/status/806857746465300481
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Kiffin?
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Houston AD:
https://twitter.com/HunterYurachek/status/806857746465300481
Is everything they do complete amateur hour?
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
Pretty sure Tulsa basketball tried something similar after losing Self, Tubby, and maybe someone else and ended up with a terrible coach that never wanted to leave but had to get fired.
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
The answer to my previous question is, yes.
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
Pretty sure Tulsa basketball tried something similar after losing Self, Tubby, and maybe someone else and ended up with a terrible coach that never wanted to leave but had to get fired.
Yes, seems like a good way to get stuck with a crappy coach or overpay for someone proven.
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
The answer to my previous question is, yes.
The answers keep coming.
https://twitter.com/UHouston/status/806896258761822213
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Apparently it is Kiffen
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
Pretty sure Tulsa basketball tried something similar after losing Self, Tubby, and maybe someone else and ended up with a terrible coach that never wanted to leave but had to get fired.
Was this Buzz Peterson?
I have an enjoyable Bill Self/Buzz story that has led me to hate Self long long before he was at KU.
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Wouldn't Kiffin have better options available to him than Houston?
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Wouldn't Kiffin have better options available to him than Houston?
Probably not. Tennessee and USC didn't end well in most folk's eyes.
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Also shooter should share the Buzz/Self story
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Also shooter should share the Buzz/Self story
yes, Bill seems like one of the most likeable of almost any elite head coach
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Disagree. Would love to hear a self story
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PJ agreeing to extension and big raise with WMU.
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Whoever the next coach is, Houston is trying to require an excessive buyout so he can't leave after a couple of seasons without paying a substantial penalty, a source said.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)
The answer to my previous question is, yes.
The answers keep coming.
https://twitter.com/UHouston/status/806896258761822213
A university policy to twitter troll whenever possible, that's new I guess.
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PJ agreeing to extension and big raise with WMU.
I don't think his style works well with many ADs which is somewhat ironic because it is what most football programs need. For a program like ours and many others, a buttoned up CEO isn't going to get it done unless he's an absolute football savant. For the record I don't consider vintage LHC Bill Snyder a buttoned up CEO, dude was by most accounts a weirdo.
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Like I said earlier, ksu is set up perfectly already to embrace his quirks. He would probably embrace the #family thing too. It feels like a good fit.
As the mighty mighty bosstones said, that's the impression that I get
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If he had a hint of success KSU would go bananas for him.
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is he paul rhodes' distant cousin who knows how to win?
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Kiffin reminds me of a younger, less successful Weiss. He's done nothing as a head coach that I would be encouraged about.
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PJ agreeing to extension and big raise with WMU.
I don't think his style works well with many ADs which is somewhat ironic because it is what most football programs need. For a program like ours and many others, a buttoned up CEO isn't going to get it done unless he's an absolute football savant. For the record I don't consider vintage LHC LHC Bill Snyder a buttoned up CEO, dude was by most accounts a weirdo.
i would agree with that for Bill 1.0 for sure. He also had a ton of "characters" on the staff to relate to young people.
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Hear me out for a second, as a young man growing up near Tulsa, OK, I loved TU basketball and wanted nothing more than to play there. As weird as that is. Now, to the summer of 2000, this young Shooter Jones believes he is a good basketball player and decides to attend one of the Bill Self Basketball camps at TU, loving both TU and Bill. It was a 3 or 4 day camp, where you got to stay and stuff, was going to be the highlight of my life*. About a month before, Self sends a letter out about being excited for the camp, with itineraries for meetings and everything, a few tee shirts, shorts and a reversible jersey with Bill Self camp logos all over them.
Days before the camp, Self is hired by the Illinois fighting Illini and skips town, not sure if he ever set foot in it again actually. So we get to camp and he's nowhere to be found. It ends up being a bunch of washed up assistants and former players (actually Pooh Williamson was there, which I enjoyed) that put it on, can't really remember if it was really unorganized, just remember being pissed the whole time. Well anyway, Bill never shows his face, not once, and at some point during THE BILL SELF BASKETBALL camp, Buzz rough ridin' Peterson gets hired and comes in to give a speech, all I could really remember was how he talked and trying to figure out whether or not he had a speech impediment. He left and didn't show his face again as well.
Anyway, maybe not as enjoyable as I remembered, but my hatred for Self began in June of 2000.
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Guys, Bill is still a weirdo.
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I went to the neil Smith football camp twice and he was there both years.
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Marcus Allen showed up one day and was my rb position coach for a day. Probably the happiest I've ever been. Sorry your camp sucked shooter
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Marcus Allen showed up one day and was my rb position coach for a day. Probably the happiest I've ever been. Sorry your camp sucked shooter
this is pretty much the same as when i was a camp counselor for coach asbury one year when kat kid was a camper
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Hear me out for a second, as a young man growing up near Tulsa, OK, I loved TU basketball and wanted nothing more than to play there. As weird as that is. Now, to the summer of 2000, this young Shooter Jones believes he is a good basketball player and decides to attend one of the Bill Self Basketball camps at TU, loving both TU and Bill. It was a 3 or 4 day camp, where you got to stay and stuff, was going to be the highlight of my life*. About a month before, Self sends a letter out about being excited for the camp, with itineraries for meetings and everything, a few tee shirts, shorts and a reversible jersey with Bill Self camp logos all over them.
Days before the camp, Self is hired by the Illinois fighting Illini and skips town, not sure if he ever set foot in it again actually. So we get to camp and he's nowhere to be found. It ends up being a bunch of washed up assistants and former players (actually Pooh Williamson was there, which I enjoyed) that put it on, can't really remember if it was really unorganized, just remember being pissed the whole time. Well anyway, Bill never shows his face, not once, and at some point during THE BILL SELF BASKETBALL camp, Buzz rough ridin' Peterson gets hired and comes in to give a speech, all I could really remember was how he talked and trying to figure out whether or not he had a speech impediment. He left and didn't show his face again as well.
Anyway, maybe not as enjoyable as I remembered, but my hatred for Self began in June of 2000.
Loved this story. :thumbs:
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Applewhite to Houston. Makes sense, and he probably wasn't going to be able to follow Herman to UT anyways.
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That's about the only person who would accept the moronic contract terms they were rumored to have offered. He's going to have to be the best coach in the country for anyone good too want him with the stain on his record of cheating on his 9 month pregnant wife with a student trainer.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fsep-1998-linebacker-travis-ochs-of-the-kansas-state-wildcats-in-picture-id342518&hash=9fab1be1c00743b9567cac8fb877d6c1b8c25fc4)
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Applewhite's first game against us was so money. Like, top 5 or 6 games of my time there to enjoy our d just murking folks.
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Congrats, Colonel Applebee!
https://twitter.com/HunterYurachek/status/807241033411129349
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jeff kelly would have to play FB to get on the field today <-----i think this thought about once a week, my brain is stuck on this dumb thought
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That's about the only person who would accept the moronic contract terms they were rumored to have offered. He's going to have to be the best coach in the country for anyone good too want him with the stain on his record of cheating on his 9 month pregnant wife with a student trainer.
Wow, I had forgotten about this. Let's hope he's great and ready for BV to hire him when the time comes. I wonder how long the lock-in, high buy-out contract is valid.
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Congrats, Colonel Applebee!
https://twitter.com/HunterYurachek/status/807241033411129349
his head is very alien
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https://twitter.com/LJ_Rader/status/807255802998353920
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https://twitter.com/LJ_Rader/status/807255802998353920
I feel like "affair" is an awfully fanciful euphemism for "drunk ugly bumped" a student on a bowl trip.
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Cool, Houston can just be the pipeline for the next Texas coach. Pretty sweet deal honestly.
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Fertitta sounds like a scorned lover. Kiffin probably told him to go eff himself.
"He said 'Write the contract the way you want it,'" said Fertitta, who also is a prominent booster for the school's athletic program. "Lane Kiffin looked me in the eye and he knew when he sat down at that table that he was going to go with the contract that I put in front of him with the buyout that I wanted in front of him. And we never even got there."
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18247548/houston-regent-tilman-fertitta-says-lane-kiffin-never-close-becoming-cougars-coach (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18247548/houston-regent-tilman-fertitta-says-lane-kiffin-never-close-becoming-cougars-coach)
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Dude is calling into sports talk on a Friday night :lol: get a hobby or enjoy your family or something dude.
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Kiffin to FAU :lol:
Strong to USF meh
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While I appreciate the candor, it definitely supports mir's "Houston is amateur hour 100% of the time" take.
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Cinci hired Luke Fickell from tOSU.
Apparently Tubervilles contract had a buyout that went from $2.5m to $1.4m on Wednesday. Tuberville knew he was getting canned that day, so he resigned monday to get the extra million+.
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Dude is calling into sports talk on a Friday night :lol: get a hobby or enjoy your family or something dude.
Does having a major booster and part of the university structure going ham like this improve or detract from BBSing?
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Cinci hired Luke Fickell from tOSU.
Apparently Tubervilles contract had a buyout that went from $2.5m to $1.4m on Wednesday. Tuberville knew he was getting canned that day, so he resigned monday to get the extra million+.
He resigned and still gets a buyout? That makes no sense.
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Dude is calling into sports talk on a Friday night :lol: get a hobby or enjoy your family or something dude.
Does having a major booster and part of the university structure going ham like this improve or detract from BBSing?
It certainly increases the embarrassment. I can't imagine Garth actually being someone who is allowed to make university decisions and then calling the night show on 810 to justify irrational decisions.
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Cinci hired Luke Fickell from tOSU.
Apparently Tubervilles contract had a buyout that went from $2.5m to $1.4m on Wednesday. Tuberville knew he was getting canned that day, so he resigned monday to get the extra million+.
He resigned and still gets a buyout? That makes no sense.
I'm guessing it was negotiated as part of his resignation. Would be bad faith on the part of the University to be hiring someone new, having decided to fire him, but waiting a couple weeks to can him to avoid paying the deal struck.
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Cinci hired Luke Fickell from tOSU.
Apparently Tubervilles contract had a buyout that went from $2.5m to $1.4m on Wednesday. Tuberville knew he was getting canned that day, so he resigned monday to get the extra million+.
He resigned and still gets a buyout? That makes no sense.
What he got wasn't released, I'm sure they gave him the $1.4 million.
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My man Chuck Strong got the USF job, he's going to run a train on the AAC.
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Former Texas coach Charlie Strong has agreed to a deal to become South Florida's next head coach, sources told ESPN.com.
Strong met with South Florida officials on Friday after having preliminary conversations by phone with school officials earlier in the week. He will replace Willie Taggart, who left to take the head coaching job at Oregon. Strong was also being pursued as a defensive coordinator by several schools around the country.
Strong will become only the fourth head coach in USF's 20-year history. He has strong ties in Florida and has recruited that state extensively. He was the defensive coordinator at Florida under Urban Meyer when the Gators won national championships in 2006 and 2008 and also had three previous stints on the Gators' staff, including working under Steve Spurrier in the early 1990s.
Strong, 56, was fired at Texas last month after going 5-7 this season. He was 16-21 in three seasons at Texas, but was 37-15 in four seasons as Louisville's head coach from 2010-13. He won 11 games in 2012 at Louisville and 12 games in 2013 with bowl wins over Florida and Miami.
In the two NFL drafts after Strong left Louisville for Texas, the Cardinals had eight players selected in the 2014 draft and 10 players taken in the 2015 draft, including four first-rounders. One of Strong's top players at Louisville was quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, whom Strong recruited out of Miami.
Strong met with USF officials in Tampa Friday and Saturday. He was initially offered the job in Tampa, but returned home to Austin, Texas, to discuss it with his family before making his decision on Sunday, a source said.
Strong and Taggart had discussions about the USF job over the weekend, a source said. Taggart also was one of several Power 5 coaches who had interest in Strong as a defensive coordinator, sources said.
This will be Strong's fifth different stint coaching in the Sunshine State, but first not at the University of Florida. At Florida Strong was a graduate assistant (1983-84), linebackers coach (1988-89), defensive line coach/assistant head coach (1991-94) and defensive coordinator/linebackers coach (2003-09). Strong also has been an assistant at Texas A&M, Southern Illinois, Ole Miss, Notre Dame and South Carolina.
Strong is the first head coach in USF's history that has previous head coaching experience at a Power 5 school.
If Strong remains at USF four years, it will make for an intriguing season opener when the Bulls visit Texas on Sept. 5, 2020.
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This year's carousel has had a lot of winners. A lot of logical moves. I think Taggart is great for Oregon and Purdue nailed the Bohrm hire. Sucks for Strong he got fired, but great for USF and a pretty good spot for Strong post-firing. Not sure why Rhule would take Baylor, but it's a great get for them.
PJ is taking a big risk trying to pull a Herman while losing his 2 best players, including his QB and 1st round WR.
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PJ is taking a massive risk IMO.
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Had anyone confirmed interviewed Fleck?
He's the coach of directional michigan afterall. Did the guy that went 11-0 at Marshall a few years back get hired away?
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My man Chuck Strong got the USF job, he's going to run a train on the AAC.
Great spot for Strong, and I can't wait to see him kick ass.
Charlie is one the best overall dudes in the game. This is a great fit and he's walking into a good situation. He recruits Florida so well.
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This year's carousel has had a lot of winners. A lot of logical moves. I think Taggart is great for Oregon and Purdue nailed the Bohrm hire. Sucks for Strong he got fired, but great for USF and a pretty good spot for Strong post-firing. Not sure why Rhule would take Baylor, but it's a great get for them.
PJ is taking a big risk trying to pull a Herman while losing his 2 best players, including his QB and 1st round WR.
I agree with all of this but the biggest different between Herman and Fleck is that Fleck has built his roster and Herman didn't. Western is returning their best running back but their non-con next year is :surprised: they play at USC and at Michigan State, they'll be MAC favorites though. He should be able to get a better job than Purdue or Cincinnati next year.
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https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/808342358341353472
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https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/808342358341353472
Recruiting Florida should be fun.
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I don't think Kiffin should have taken that job. It's the 6th best program in the state and a bottom half program in CUSA. They're still a young program but they've been terrible for nearly a decade.
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I don't think Kiffin should have taken that job. It's the 6th best program in the state and a bottom half program in CUSA. They're still a young program but they've been terrible for nearly a decade.
the only I can think is he needs some for fresh water after exhausting the supply in Tuscaloosa.
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I don't think any good program is going to seriously consider Lane Kiffin at this point. He needs to prove himself as a capable coach at one of the schools that will have him if he wants a third chance at a power program.
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I don't think any good program is going to seriously consider Lane Kiffin at this point. He needs to prove himself as a capable coach at one of the schools that will have him if he wants a third chance at a power program.
Probably true. Would take kiffin in a heartbeat though. Would be very entertaining at the very least.
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I think Kiffin could've got a Houston level job from a school trying to make a "splash" in the next couple of years, but he seemed determined to leave this year. I don't think any P5 above a KU level would hire him without him proving some success as a head coach.
There is certainly a chance that Saban set him straight but taking the first HC job that was offered makes me doubt it.
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I think Kiffin could've got a Houston level job from a school trying to make a "splash" in the next couple of years, but he seemed determined to leave this year. I don't think any P5 above a KU level would hire him without him proving some success as a head coach.
There is certainly a chance that Saban set him straight but taking the first HC job that was offered makes me doubt it.
Houston made him an offer but he didn't like their buyout.
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I think Kiffin could've got a Houston level job from a school trying to make a "splash" in the next couple of years, but he seemed determined to leave this year. I don't think any P5 above a KU level would hire him without him proving some success as a head coach.
There is certainly a chance that Saban set him straight but taking the first HC job that was offered makes me doubt it.
Houston made him an offer but he didn't like their buyout.
I didn't know if this was true or not. Tough to trust his agents or the Houston chair as both are pretty likely to be full of crap.
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Does this go here?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-leaving-michigan-for-the-rams-is-reportedly-a-very-real-possibility/?linkId=32270303
:lol:
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I think Kiffin could've got a Houston level job from a school trying to make a "splash" in the next couple of years, but he seemed determined to leave this year. I don't think any P5 above a KU level would hire him without him proving some success as a head coach.
There is certainly a chance that Saban set him straight but taking the first HC job that was offered makes me doubt it.
Please provide the list of p5 schools at or below ku level.
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Does this go here?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-leaving-michigan-for-the-rams-is-reportedly-a-very-real-possibility/?linkId=32270303
:lol:
Oh man
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Please provide the list of p5 schools at or below ku level.
Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois.
Man, the big 10 has some bad programs.
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Does this go here?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-leaving-michigan-for-the-rams-is-reportedly-a-very-real-possibility/?linkId=32270303
:lol:
Is the plane stopping in Lawrence this time around?
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Please provide the list of p5 schools at or below ku level.
Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois.
Man, the big 10 has some bad programs.
Indiana, too.
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Does this go here?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-leaving-michigan-for-the-rams-is-reportedly-a-very-real-possibility/?linkId=32270303
:lol:
Is the plane stopping in Lawrence this time around?
He can't just go from Michigan to KU without a brief, failed stopover in the NFL...
The stars are aligning, you guys.
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He'll never be able to turn KU down twice.
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Someone check the tarmacs!!
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Please provide the list of p5 schools at or below ku level.
Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois.
Man, the big 10 has some bad programs.
Indiana, too.
No, not close, sorry. Indiana is a lot more Texas Tech than KU. They just fired a coach who won six games each of the previous two years.
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Please provide the list of p5 schools at or below ku level.
Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois.
Man, the big 10 has some bad programs.
Indiana, too.
No, not close, sorry. Indiana is a lot more Texas Tech than KU. They just fired a coach who won six games each of the previous two years.
KU fired their best coach ever, too.
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Please provide the list of p5 schools at or below ku level.
Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois.
Man, the big 10 has some bad programs.
Indiana, too.
No, not close, sorry. Indiana is a lot more Texas Tech than KU. They just fired a coach who won six games each of the previous two years.
KU fired their best coach ever, too.
Indiana isn't KU, not close, never has been never will be.
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Good Lord, Houston reeks of desperation. They essentially tried to pay Texas $2.5 million to play them in basketball and football.
Yurachek said he gave Texas the option to mitigate Herman's buyout in exchange for a home-and-home series in football and men's basketball. Yurachek said Texas athletic director Mike Perrin called him and told him, "That is not an option that's on the table any longer," and that Texas will pay Houston the $2.5 million for Herman's buyout.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18264689/major-applewhite-contract-houston-pay-75-million-five-year-period (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18264689/major-applewhite-contract-houston-pay-75-million-five-year-period)
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I think Kiffin could've got a Houston level job from a school trying to make a "splash" in the next couple of years, but he seemed determined to leave this year. I don't think any P5 above a KU level would hire him without him proving some success as a head coach.
There is certainly a chance that Saban set him straight but taking the first HC job that was offered makes me doubt it.
Houston made him an offer but he didn't like their buyout.
I didn't know if this was true or not. Tough to trust his agents or the Houston chair as both are pretty likely to be full of crap.
very true chi, it was reported that houston made these contracts almost impossible to sign as to stop being a stepping stone to bigger jobs
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Yeah and Illinois isn't at a KU level either.
Purdue, Rutgers, and Oregon State is the answer.
Oregon State has had some recent success, but they've been bad the last few years. They're also the little brother of a limited recruiting state, just like KU.
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Does this go here?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-leaving-michigan-for-the-rams-is-reportedly-a-very-real-possibility/?linkId=32270303
:lol:
Didn't feel as cold in Michigan when he was 18.
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This year's carousel has had a lot of winners. A lot of logical moves. I think Taggart is great for Oregon and Purdue nailed the Bohrm hire. Sucks for Strong he got fired, but great for USF and a pretty good spot for Strong post-firing. Not sure why Rhule would take Baylor, but it's a great get for them.
PJ is taking a big risk trying to pull a Herman while losing his 2 best players, including his QB and 1st round WR.
I agree with all of this but the biggest different between Herman and Fleck is that Fleck has built his roster and Herman didn't. Western is returning their best running back but their non-con next year is :surprised: they play at USC and at Michigan State, they'll be MAC favorites though. He should be able to get a better job than Purdue or Cincinnati next year.
You're right on this. It's not a good comparison with Herman. If Fleck wasn't a real candidate at Oregon, it was mostly jobs he where he can always similar ones later even if he goes 8-4 or 9-3. He didn't turn down a South Carolina type job.
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Good Lord, Houston reeks of desperation. They essentially tried to pay Texas $2.5 million to play them in basketball and football.
Yurachek said he gave Texas the option to mitigate Herman's buyout in exchange for a home-and-home series in football and men's basketball. Yurachek said Texas athletic director Mike Perrin called him and told him, "That is not an option that's on the table any longer," and that Texas will pay Houston the $2.5 million for Herman's buyout.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18264689/major-applewhite-contract-houston-pay-75-million-five-year-period (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18264689/major-applewhite-contract-houston-pay-75-million-five-year-period)
LOL, Houston, man we really dodged a bullet there. I like how they act as if $2.5 million is some significant amount to UT. Did they think they were negotiating with East Carolina?
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This year's carousel has had a lot of winners. A lot of logical moves. I think Taggart is great for Oregon and Purdue nailed the Bohrm hire. Sucks for Strong he got fired, but great for USF and a pretty good spot for Strong post-firing. Not sure why Rhule would take Baylor, but it's a great get for them.
PJ is taking a big risk trying to pull a Herman while losing his 2 best players, including his QB and 1st round WR.
I agree with all of this but the biggest different between Herman and Fleck is that Fleck has built his roster and Herman didn't. Western is returning their best running back but their non-con next year is :surprised: they play at USC and at Michigan State, they'll be MAC favorites though. He should be able to get a better job than Purdue or Cincinnati next year.
You're right on this. It's not a good comparison with Herman. If Fleck wasn't a real candidate at Oregon, it was mostly jobs he where he can always similar ones later even if he goes 8-4 or 9-3. He didn't turn down a South Carolina type job.
While Fleck actually has proven he can build a program as head coach Herman's resume is better for what ADs at elite schools are looking for - experience as a coordinator and recruiter at other elite schools. If Fleck wants an elite job he is going to need some Boise State type wins at WMU or take a AAC or middling to bad P5 first. 9-3 and beating another G5 school in a bowl game won't do it unless he wins at USC or at MSU next year.
What Fleck has done looks a lot like what Dave Doren did at UNI and he turned that into NC State, the 4th best job in his division.
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yeah Illinois football is really bad, but they're probably in better shape than KU. far better facilities. renovating the stadium. actual, legitimate head coach. bad, but not a program wide mess like KU.
Rutgers and probably Purdue are on the same level as KU. Some of those purdue crowds this year made ku games look packed.
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This year's carousel has had a lot of winners. A lot of logical moves. I think Taggart is great for Oregon and Purdue nailed the Bohrm hire. Sucks for Strong he got fired, but great for USF and a pretty good spot for Strong post-firing. Not sure why Rhule would take Baylor, but it's a great get for them.
PJ is taking a big risk trying to pull a Herman while losing his 2 best players, including his QB and 1st round WR.
I agree with all of this but the biggest different between Herman and Fleck is that Fleck has built his roster and Herman didn't. Western is returning their best running back but their non-con next year is :surprised: they play at USC and at Michigan State, they'll be MAC favorites though. He should be able to get a better job than Purdue or Cincinnati next year.
You're right on this. It's not a good comparison with Herman. If Fleck wasn't a real candidate at Oregon, it was mostly jobs he where he can always similar ones later even if he goes 8-4 or 9-3. He didn't turn down a South Carolina type job.
While Fleck actually has proven he can build a program as head coach Herman's resume is better for what ADs at elite schools are looking for - experience as a coordinator and recruiter at other elite schools. If Fleck wants an elite job he is going to need some Boise State type wins at WMU or take a AAC or middling to bad P5 first. 9-3 and beating another G5 school in a bowl game won't do it unless he wins at USC or at MSU next year.
What Fleck has done looks a lot like what Dave Doren did at UNI and he turned that into NC State, the 4th best job in his division.
I think his packaging is a lot more important to whomever is evaluating him than how many P5 teams he beats. Herman is very safe and securely packaged, nice symmetrical red and green wrapping with a pretty silver bow. Who knows what the hell is on the inside, but you're pretty secure about it because it's wrapped so nicely. PJ Fleck is wrapped in skull and crossbones wrapping paper with the edges all rounded up and he has one of those bows with a sticker holding it in place. There might be a 5K diamond ring in there but who knows, I mean look at how that thing is wrapped up.
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/809150362611425280
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Phil Knight ain't fuckin around
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Jerry Kill interviewing Rutgers OC....
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Jerry Kill interviewing Rutgers OC....
Interview for the job? Or he is interviewing for K-State?
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Jerry Kill interviewing Rutgers OC....
Interview for the job? Or he is interviewing for K-State?
Was curious of this as well? And if it's the latter why tf would we be interviewing Rutgers OC. They absolutely blow.
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Sorry that wasn't very clear. He is interviewing for the position
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If true, troubledscribe post, this is terrible news on the PJ front if he gets the job.
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If true, troubledscribe post, this is terrible news on the PJ front if he gets the job.
sounds like jerry might be killing your buzz.....YEAHHHHHHH
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L & O!
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https://twitter.com/JoeSchmitKSTP/status/809565168183156736
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I mean i understand most university moves with former coaches but what did he even do here?
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https://twitter.com/JoeSchmitKSTP/status/809565168183156736
My apologies to you troubledscribe. Why would this dude jeopardize his health to be the OC at freaking Rutgers?
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Kiffen hired Kendal Briles to be his OC. Those two are going to cheat their asses off.
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Kiffen hired Kendal Briles to be his OC. Those two are going to cheat their asses off.
I am so happy this happened after we already played them.
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Petition to oust Claeys at Minn.
I just saw his halftime interview.
Just say NO.
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Gophers won. Claeys will stay.
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UConn fired their head coach. Talk about them bringing Randy Edsall back
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https://twitter.com/travhaney/status/816417088030081024
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https://twitter.com/BillLunnKSTP/status/816436588049760257
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:lol:
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What is appeal for Fleck here given what just happened with the player protest, etc? And consider what players said today after Claeys got fired
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What is appeal for Fleck here given what just happened with the player protest, etc? And consider what players said today after Claeys got fired
Exactly, why would he follow Claeys if he got fired for making one single tweet showing support of his players? I can understand if he disparaged the alleged victim or supported the alleged perps, he did neither. You guys think Fleck wouldn't want to coach under Currie, this is about 10x worse.
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I think if Fleck is regretting not making the jump from the first go round, he may go to Minnesota. He almost certainly has turned down better jobs and better situations already though.
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Claeys for DC? :dunno:
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Is Hayes gone? :dunno:
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Hayes is not gone.
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I don't think LHCBS would fire him, so the only way we get another DC is if Hayes resigns.
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We do have a Jerry Kill-sized position available tho...
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sounds like fleck is a done deal to minnesota. i think we mumped up guys....
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sounds like fleck is a done deal to minnesota. i think we mumped up guys....
http://footballscoop.com/news/sources-p-j-fleck-leaving-western-michigan-minnesota/
:buh-bye:
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Yup, ESPN now saying it's imminent
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We didn't have an opening and we have a top 20 team returning. I'm not sure where we messed up.
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We didn't have an opening and we have a top 20 team returning. I'm not sure where we messed up.
Decent chance he does average or terrible at Minnesota and nobody brings PJ up again.
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The pieces are falling into place for one option...it's Venzy.
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We didn't have an opening and we have a top 20 team returning. I'm not sure where we messed up.
just has that feel to it that the guy will be a superstar and we couldve had him is all im saying ala oscar and brad
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We didn't have an opening and we have a top 20 team returning. I'm not sure where we messed up.
just has that feel to it that the guy will be a superstar and we couldve had him is all im saying ala oscar and brad
I get that, but IMO our basketball situation last year and going after Brad was much different than this year's football and Fleck. I really like Fleck and he's definitely the type of guy I want us to go after when Snyder leaves, but I'm not going to worry about it right now when the football program is in good shape. It helps that we had a pretty good season, but I would never be for forcing Snyder out like I was with oscar either. That would be a BS move IMO.
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I appreciate everything Snyder's done but if the time comes when we are better off going forward without him, we should absolutely force him out. This is certainly not that time but I don't agree with the view that he can do whatever he wants with the program.
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There will be new PJ Flecks and Brad Underwoods every year IMO
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We didn't have an opening and we have a top 20 team returning. I'm not sure where we messed up.
just has that feel to it that the guy will be a superstar and we couldve had him is all im saying ala oscar and brad
I get that, but IMO our basketball situation last year and going after Brad was much different than this year's football and Fleck. I really like Fleck and he's definitely the type of guy I want us to go after when Snyder leaves, but I'm not going to worry about it right now when the football program is in good shape. It helps that we had a pretty good season, but I would never be for forcing Snyder out like I was with oscar either. That would be a BS move IMO.
I would highly doubt PJ Fleck is at Minnesota in 4 years anyway. I'm surprised he took the job to begin with, but I'd guess he's willing to jump to a bigger, better program after a couple of years
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I appreciate everything Snyder's done but if the time comes when we are better off going forward without him, we should absolutely force him out. This is certainly not that time but I don't agree with the view that he can do whatever he wants with the program.
But you can't ever really know you're better off forcing out your current coach and going w/ someone new. Granted, if Snyder is winning 3 games per year, it would be a different argument. There are so few non-risky hires out there and we're not a school that will get those guys.
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Yeah, I mean Bobby Bowden got fired.
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There will be new PJ Flecks and Brad Underwoods every year IMO
There isn't much of a comparison between PJ Fleck and Brad Underwood. For starters PJ Fleck has more experience being a CEO and he's like 15-20 years younger. Also when you hire Fleck you're hiring a brand for your program. Brad is a dude who had two good years at a low major and who went here. PJ completely rebuilt that program. He may not win at Minnesota but PJ Fleck was definitely a different coaching candidate than pretty much any other coach we've ever seen in football or basketball.
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There will be new PJ Flecks and Brad Underwoods every year IMO
There isn't much of a comparison between PJ Fleck and Brad Underwood. For starters PJ Fleck has more experience being a CEO and he's like 15-20 years younger. Also when you hire Fleck you're hiring a brand for your program. Brad is a dude who had two good years at a low major and who went here. PJ completely rebuilt that program. He may not win at Minnesota but PJ Fleck was definitely a different coaching candidate than pretty much any other coach we've ever seen in football or basketball.
I pretty much agree - the main similarity I see is that folks ITT seem think they are once-in-a-lifetime candidates for KSU. While both are unique, it isn't like they were our only shots at greatness. That's all I was saying.
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quality candidates will always be there for us. the question is, will the ksu cats hire the right ones.
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There will be new PJ Flecks and Brad Underwoods every year IMO
There isn't much of a comparison between PJ Fleck and Brad Underwood. For starters PJ Fleck has more experience being a CEO and he's like 15-20 years younger. Also when you hire Fleck you're hiring a brand for your program. Brad is a dude who had two good years at a low major and who went here. PJ completely rebuilt that program. He may not win at Minnesota but PJ Fleck was definitely a different coaching candidate than pretty much any other coach we've ever seen in football or basketball.
I'm interested to see how PJ cultivates a new brand at Minnesota. WMU owns the trademark to "Row The Boat".
As I'm typing this, I wonder if they'll strike a deal with Minnesota for it. I'm guessing the did it more for merchandising and it's a greatly diminished value to WMU now.
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I appreciate everything Snyder's done but if the time comes when we are better off going forward without him, we should absolutely force him out. This is certainly not that time but I don't agree with the view that he can do whatever he wants with the program.
But you can't ever really know you're better off forcing out your current coach and going w/ someone new. Granted, if Snyder is winning 3 games per year, it would be a different argument. There are so few non-risky hires out there and we're not a school that will get those guys.
Yea, Snyder is doing a great job now and forcing him out for Fleck is laughable. I'm sad Fleck got hired by Minnesota because he could've been a good option if we're looking next year. He's not one in a million and may not be my first choice, but he would be a quality coach to have in our candidate pool.
There won't be Underwood candidates every year but that is more due to his K-State ties than his coaching ability. There will be plenty of Flecks. The difference for me is that we should've been in a market for a basketball coach but we have no reason to be in the market for a football coach.
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John Currie will decide what's best for us.
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I appreciate everything Snyder's done but if the time comes when we are better off going forward without him, we should absolutely force him out. This is certainly not that time but I don't agree with the view that he can do whatever he wants with the program.
But you can't ever really know you're better off forcing out your current coach and going w/ someone new. Granted, if Snyder is winning 3 games per year, it would be a different argument. There are so few non-risky hires out there and we're not a school that will get those guys.
Yea, Snyder is doing a great job now and forcing him out for Fleck is laughable. I'm sad Fleck got hired by Minnesota because he could've been a good option if we're looking next year. He's not one in a million and may not be my first choice, but he would be a quality coach to have in our candidate pool.
There won't be Underwood candidates every year but that is more due to his K-State ties than his coaching ability. There will be plenty of Flecks. The difference for me is that we should've been in a market for a basketball coach but we have no reason to be in the market for a football coach.
I'm reading this and my takeaway is that you're saying that Brad Underwood is a unique entity but PJ Fleck isn't. I'd that what you're saying?
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I think he was just saying Underwood is unique because of his K-State ties. Both are quality candidates, but neither is can't miss. I'd say Fleck's age and accomplishments make him a better candidate to be can't miss though.
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What FAN said. Brad is unique to K-State, to every other CBB team he is just the current overachieving mid-major coach.
Comparing BB coaches to FB is tough for me because FB is infinitely more important to get right.
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What FAN said. Brad is unique to K-State, to every other CBB team he is just the current overachieving mid-major coach.
All that matters to me, I don't care where any coaching candidate went to school, it's why I'm lukewarm at best with Venables. He hasn't been a serious candidate anywhere after being a successful coordinator for 18 seasons, why do we want him here?
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because we do.. ok
It just feels like he's been saving himself for us :shy:
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
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I thought when he was at OU he was in the mix for a few jobs. Of course there maybe a reason why nobody actually hired him.
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
No, literally in 2004, not today. Venables had the better resume even then.
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No, literally in 2004, not today. Venables had the better resume even then.
Oh, got it. And yeah, by quite a bit. Ron really just had a binder. A really nice one.
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Last night the ESPN ticker said Minny was looking at Les Miles.
Not that we want Fleck, but I'm pretty confident we could hire a HC away from rough ridin' Minnesota if we wanted to, you rubes.
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Last night the ESPN ticker said Minny was looking at Les Miles.
Not that we want Fleck, but I'm pretty confident we could hire a HC away from rough ridin' Minnesota if we wanted to, you rubes.
Yeah, if he was making $2 million a year.
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I think we're enough better that available coaches would pick us over Minnesota but not enough better that a coach would leave Minnesota for us.
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
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I think we're enough better that available coaches would pick us over Minnesota but not enough better that a coach would leave Minnesota for us.
You're right. But for more reason than you listed. The only way (well not counting the Currie brucing it up) we would hire a Minnesota coach is if he were having good success. And if a coach there had the ball rolling, why would he risk leaving to another, comparable job? Probably wouldn't unless you threw tons of money at him and even then maybe not.
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
Snyder was very close to going to UCLA. Venables and his agent gain absolutely nothing by dismissing jobs or keeping rumors quiet.
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to be fair, Leavitt hasn't been a serious candidate for a head coaching job since he got fired, either.
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to be fair, Leavitt hasn't been a serious candidate for a head coaching job since he got fired, either.
Yea, but we know the reason why... Venables, not so much.
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Charlie Strong didn't get a job for a long time when people were saying how qualified he was. Then he did. So what. Maybe Venables has had opportunities. Maybe not. Maybe he'd make a good coach or not. But to add any credence to whether he's qualified or not simply based upon him not being hired by now is rough ridin' stupid. When Snyder is done, you reach out to him and interview him. If he's a weirdo loser that the AD doesn't believe can do the job, then fine. Until then, I wouldn't assume anything because what we do know is that he's been mentored by possibly 3 Hall of fame coaches and has had great success as a coordinator and positions coach.
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I think we're enough better that available coaches would pick us over Minnesota but not enough better that a coach would leave Minnesota for us.
You're right. But for more reason than you listed. The only way (well not counting the Currie brucing it up) we would hire a Minnesota coach is if he were having good success. And if a coach there had the ball rolling, why would he risk leaving to another, comparable job? Probably wouldn't unless you threw tons of money at him and even then maybe not.
I didn't list any reasons but yea, what you're saying.
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Charlie Strong didn't get a job for a long time when people were saying how qualified he was. Then he did. So what. Maybe Venables has had opportunities. Maybe not. Maybe he'd make a good coach or not. But to add any credence to whether he's qualified or not simply based upon him not being hired by now is rough ridin' stupid. When Snyder is done, you reach out to him and interview him. If he's a weirdo loser that the AD doesn't believe can do the job, then fine. Until then, I wouldn't assume anything because what we do know is that he's been mentored by possibly 3 Hall of fame coaches and has had great success as a coordinator and positions coach.
Fair point, not sure Chuck Strong is the best example though.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=3813793
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Charlie Strong didn't get a job for a long time when people were saying how qualified he was. Then he did. So what. Maybe Venables has had opportunities. Maybe not. Maybe he'd make a good coach or not. But to add any credence to whether he's qualified or not simply based upon him not being hired by now is rough ridin' stupid. When Snyder is done, you reach out to him and interview him. If he's a weirdo loser that the AD doesn't believe can do the job, then fine. Until then, I wouldn't assume anything because what we do know is that he's been mentored by possibly 3 Hall of fame coaches and has had great success as a coordinator and positions coach.
Fair point, not sure Chuck Strong is the best example though.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=3813793
That might be true, but hardly a fact. But I don't want to get lost in the weeds with it.
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I want Les Miles baaaaad!!!!
I think he absolutely would come here. And I think we could get 10 years out of him.
He'd be very entertaining and would probably win a lot. I'm all in on Les!!!
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He was very meh at OSU during the most pud time in the history of the Big 12.
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He was very meh at OSU during the most pud time in the history of the Big 12.
to be fair, they'd had one winning season in the 13 seasons before he arrived and he had 3 in 4 seasons. When he took over a good program in a good conference, he did pretty good.
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I feel like Les Miles turned himself into a household name at LSU and would be able to recruit much better at this point than he was able to at OSU.
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We don't have any grass for Les to eat tho. Big problem.
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We could find him some.
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I feel like Les Miles turned himself into a household name at LSU and would be able to recruit much better at this point than he was able to at OSU.
Yep I'm guessing he learned a thing or two in 11 years since
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Problem is he will cost somewhere in the range of 4 to 5 mil. I doubt JC will fork over that much for a fired coach... but wait a minute, Oscar!!!
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Problem is he will cost somewhere in the range of 4 to 5 mil. I doubt JC will fork over that much for a fired coach... but wait a minute, Oscar!!!
No he won't, not even close, he was fired, there isn't a program in America going to pay a fired 60something $4 million.
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Dykes gone at Cal.
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In the strangest and most elongated coaching carousel in recent memory Sonny Dykes was fired today. Bet he wishes he went to Baylor, pretty dirty move by Cal.
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Fire up the Chip Kelly to Cal rumors.
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
Snyder was very close to going to UCLA. Venables and his agent gain absolutely nothing by dismissing jobs or keeping rumors quiet.
It was well known in Oklahoma that Brent went after the Arkansas State job after either Freeze or Mahlzan left.
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
Snyder was very close to going to UCLA. Venables and his agent gain absolutely nothing by dismissing jobs or keeping rumors quiet.
It was well known in Oklahoma that Brent went after the Arkansas State job after either Freeze or Mahlzan left.
That's a pretty big red flag, no?
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Must be some OurVaniers down there
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Les Miles is a weirdo. Do not want.
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Problem is he will cost somewhere in the range of 4 to 5 mil. I doubt JC will fork over that much for a fired coach... but wait a minute, Oscar!!!
No he won't, not even close, he was fired, there isn't a program in America going to pay a fired 60something $4 million.
Agreed. Les Miles has started trying to get group of 5 jobs. He will take what is offered.
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
Snyder was very close to going to UCLA. Venables and his agent gain absolutely nothing by dismissing jobs or keeping rumors quiet.
It was well known in Oklahoma that Brent went after the Arkansas State job after either Freeze or Mahlzan left.
That's a pretty big red flag, no?
Why is this a red flag? I'm guessing it was after Freeze left is when he wanted it, because his first year as Clemson was the year Malzahn was at Ark St. Makes sense if he tried to get it, Stoops just brought in his brother to be a co-DC which clearly upset Venables. I don't think losing a HC gig to Malzahn would've be that big of an issue :dunno:
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
Snyder was very close to going to UCLA. Venables and his agent gain absolutely nothing by dismissing jobs or keeping rumors quiet.
It was well known in Oklahoma that Brent went after the Arkansas State job after either Freeze or Mahlzan left.
That's a pretty big red flag, no?
Why is this a red flag? I'm guessing it was after Freeze left is when he wanted it, because his first year as Clemson was the year Malzahn was at Ark St. Makes sense if he tried to get it, Stoops just brought in his brother to be a co-DC which clearly upset Venables. I don't think losing a HC gig to Malzahn would've be that big of an issue :dunno:
You don't see an issue with him having a willingness to work in the fun belt but never getting that level of a job?
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Oh okay.
How much more experienced Ron Prince than Venables in 2004?
He had been a coordinator of an average offense for 3 years and only been coaching at a P5 school for 5.
Venables has been coordinator or co-coordinator for 18 years for 2 major programs competing for league and national titles.
I don't think they are comparable. I do agree its weird that Venables has never seriously been pursued by anyone.
I have always assumed that Venables has been "seriously pursued" in the same way Snyder has been. There is no question other programs have reached out, but I think he just has made it so clear he is not interested that it never goes far enough to even be a rumor. It could even be that Venables' agent keeps coming forward to him with calls from schools that are interested and he just doesn't call them back.
Snyder was very close to going to UCLA. Venables and his agent gain absolutely nothing by dismissing jobs or keeping rumors quiet.
It was well known in Oklahoma that Brent went after the Arkansas State job after either Freeze or Mahlzan left.
That's a pretty big red flag, no?
Why is this a red flag? I'm guessing it was after Freeze left is when he wanted it, because his first year as Clemson was the year Malzahn was at Ark St. Makes sense if he tried to get it, Stoops just brought in his brother to be a co-DC which clearly upset Venables. I don't think losing a HC gig to Malzahn would've be that big of an issue :dunno:
You don't see an issue with him having a willingness to work in the fun belt but never getting that level of a job?
Not really. I don't think he is willing to take just any job - Ark St won 10 games under Freeze - so it's not like it was just any Sun Belt gig. Also, it doesn't seem like he's looked very hard since going to Clemson. He might've thought if he was leaving OU he should take a HC job, but maybe when he got to Clemson he realized he is comfortable being a DC unless something great comes along.
That's speculation on my part obviously. If he was looking at other places as well for a HC job and got turned down, rather than the other way around, then I'd be concerned.
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If what he has done is all part of the plan he probably needs to change the plan. It appears he didn't even get a sniff of any of the P5 jobs open the last two years, that's not good. At this point I'm not sure what he could be holding out for that he it's going to get. It seems to me that expecting some fool proof job is stupid. There is no such thing as a can't miss job, doors the guy want to be a head coach or not?
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That's fair criticism, but he said in an SI article that he turned down an interview for a P5 job in 2015. I'm guessing if they've stopped calling it's because he never went on the interviews. Also, he says he interviewed for the HC job at Arkansas in 2012. It certainly sounds like he's cherry-picking to me and only a handful of jobs intrigue him. He doesn't sound ego driven in that he has some NEED to be a HC. If I was making $1.4mil I'd only be looking at others jobs that I thought were perfect too.
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PJ Fleck seems Dan Hawkinsy to me.
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Fleck can't crash and burn like Hawk did because Minnesota just isn't perched high enough. He could set the program on a path toward decades of irrelevance but nobody would notice because the program hasn't been relevant in most of our lifetimes anyway.
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i'm not saying fleck is definitely gonna be dan hawkinsy, but Hawkins was kind of "out there" like Fleck is. Both extremely successful at the mid major level (though Hawkins' track record was more impressive than Fleck's is). Fleck is super young, which is something I guess.
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i'm not saying fleck is definitely gonna be dan hawkinsy, but Hawkins was kind of "out there" like Fleck is. Both extremely successful at the mid major level (though Hawkins' track record was more impressive than Fleck's is). Fleck is super young, which is something I guess.
I don't think Fleck is "out there" he's just not old and staid like other college football coaches. Fleck is relatable. I'm older than the players Hawkins recruited and I don't relate to his stuff at all, I am stunned that any 17-18 year old ever did, and having to recruit to boulder too, not good.
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Venables has definitely been reported as having interviewed for at least a couple of HC jobs over the years....
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If you're an AD, on a scale of 1-10, how big a dumb ass are you for not interviewing an on paper well qualified coach because some other ADs didn't want him? Gotta be at least 9, right?
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Who are you talking about
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Venzy may end up being a terrible head coach, but I just don't see it. I know being a HC is different than a DC, but teams are simply better with him on staff. He's 199-43 as a DC.
That's an average of 11-2 per season for almost 20 years. Pretty rough ridin' incredible
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I hated Dabo at first. I still don't like him. However, he's authentic. Hawkins wasn't. Prince wasn't. Recruits and players can relate to authentic. Fleck is authentic.
If you do think it's a gimmick, you also have to look at what the end goal appears to be. All of Fleck's "gimmicks" are geared towards getting buy in for a process of "know you're role, work hard to master your role, and if we all do that we'll win". I think it's similar to Dabo, without the God stuff. Others that his gimmick gets compared too just seem more "look at us". Dabo's and Fleck's are built into the program.
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you're dead wrong if you don't think Hawkins was authentic.
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From my point of view, Hawkins got crazier as time went on. It didn't help that he went to the P5 job that would enable crazy as much as any.
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From my point of view, Hawkins got crazier as time went on. It didn't help that he went to the P5 job that would enable crazy as much as any.
like showing up on the field after he had gotten fired crazy?
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I absolutely believe Hawkins was authentic, but in the same way as Neuheisel. Its a little too crazy to sustain success IMO.
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If you're an AD, on a scale of 1-10, how big a dumb ass are you for not interviewing an on paper well qualified coach because some other ADs didn't want him? Gotta be at least 9, right?
I'd say 10
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I hated Dabo at first. I still don't like him. However, he's authentic. Hawkins wasn't. Prince wasn't. Recruits and players can relate to authentic. Fleck is authentic.
If you do think it's a gimmick, you also have to look at what the end goal appears to be. All of Fleck's "gimmicks" are geared towards getting buy in for a process of "know you're role, work hard to master your role, and if we all do that we'll win". I think it's similar to Dabo, without the God stuff. Others that his gimmick gets compared too just seem more "look at us". Dabo's and Fleck's are built into the program.
How could you NOT like Dabo? I can get people not liking the god stuff, etc. but Dabo seems like a pretty real dude who seems pretty humbled by all of his success. Interview last night after the game was fantastic.
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I hated Dabo at first. I still don't like him. However, he's authentic. Hawkins wasn't. Prince wasn't. Recruits and players can relate to authentic. Fleck is authentic.
If you do think it's a gimmick, you also have to look at what the end goal appears to be. All of Fleck's "gimmicks" are geared towards getting buy in for a process of "know you're role, work hard to master your role, and if we all do that we'll win". I think it's similar to Dabo, without the God stuff. Others that his gimmick gets compared too just seem more "look at us". Dabo's and Fleck's are built into the program.
How could you NOT like Dabo? I can get people not liking the god stuff, etc. but Dabo seems like a pretty real dude who seems pretty humbled by all of his success. Interview last night after the game was fantastic.
I saw an interview with him on paying players a few years go. I've hated him since. Got a big pimp vibe with his view on players.
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I hated Dabo at first. I still don't like him. However, he's authentic. Hawkins wasn't. Prince wasn't. Recruits and players can relate to authentic. Fleck is authentic.
If you do think it's a gimmick, you also have to look at what the end goal appears to be. All of Fleck's "gimmicks" are geared towards getting buy in for a process of "know you're role, work hard to master your role, and if we all do that we'll win". I think it's similar to Dabo, without the God stuff. Others that his gimmick gets compared too just seem more "look at us". Dabo's and Fleck's are built into the program.
How could you NOT like Dabo? I can get people not liking the god stuff, etc. but Dabo seems like a pretty real dude who seems pretty humbled by all of his success. Interview last night after the game was fantastic.
It was mostly the God stuff, but that opens a whole other can of worms with me. But in the beginning I thought that was part was fake too. He's a real dude, so I fully get why players buy in. He's said a few things that don't sit well with me. Some God, some paying players, i.e. using the word "entitled" when talking about it. However, I think he's a great FB coach.
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I hated Dabo at first. I still don't like him. However, he's authentic. Hawkins wasn't. Prince wasn't. Recruits and players can relate to authentic. Fleck is authentic.
If you do think it's a gimmick, you also have to look at what the end goal appears to be. All of Fleck's "gimmicks" are geared towards getting buy in for a process of "know you're role, work hard to master your role, and if we all do that we'll win". I think it's similar to Dabo, without the God stuff. Others that his gimmick gets compared too just seem more "look at us". Dabo's and Fleck's are built into the program.
How could you NOT like Dabo? I can get people not liking the god stuff, etc. but Dabo seems like a pretty real dude who seems pretty humbled by all of his success. Interview last night after the game was fantastic.
It was mostly the God stuff, but that opens a whole other can of worms with me. But in the beginning I thought that was part was fake too. He's a real dude, so I fully get why players buy in. He's said a few things that don't sit well with me. Some God, some paying players, i.e. using the word "entitled" when talking about it. However, I think he's a great FB coach.
It's more this disconnect of all the god stuff, and then like exploding on the sidelines like a FB version of Frank Martin. Not saying I don't love that, but it's a weird thing to be on full tirade mode during a game, and then act like he's some pius saint in a presser. Be one or the other (full tirade please), stop trying to be both, unless he is like the "I ate a salad so I can eat this unhealthy food, it'll just cancel out" person.
Very good coach though so no argument there.
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I think someone can be both intense and be Christian :dunno:
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Dabo said some pretty stupid stuff about BLM/race in America. But I like him on the spectrum of college coaches.
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I think someone can be both intense and be Christian :dunno:
Absolutely. Getting intense on the sideline doesn't make him hypocritical.
I agree that most of his blm take was dumb.
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The dumb part would be commenting about BLM as a head football coach.
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It seems like the more someone is paid, the more they feel like others need to know their opinions on stuff.
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Clemson obviously prayed harder before the game after hearing Watson's & Dabo's post game interviews.
:buh-bye:
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I also find Dabo a little off putting but any cfb coach that recruits the South better be able to talk about Jesus
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Dabo said some pretty stupid stuff about BLM/race in America. But I like him on the spectrum of college coaches.
totally, dabo is good at coaching and kinda humble seeming, which puts him in my top 5% favorite of the 95% of cfb coaches who are trump voting sociopaths with no grasp whatsoever of institutionalized racism.
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The dumb part would be commenting about BLM as a head football coach.
A coach could comment on blm in an intelligent manner that might alienate a few donors but be a net positive for the program and society. I think the way Chip Kelly handled kapernick would have been great for a college coach, for example.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/09/09/49ers-notes-chip-kelly-discusses-colin-kaepernicks-protest-potential-on-field-cameo/
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you're dead wrong if you don't think Hawkins was authentic.
Who said that? He's a weirdo.
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The dumb part would be commenting about BLM as a head football coach.
A coach could comment on blm in an intelligent manner that might alienate a few donors but be a net positive for the program and society. I think the way Chip Kelly handled kapernick would have been great for a college coach, for example.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/09/09/49ers-notes-chip-kelly-discusses-colin-kaepernicks-protest-potential-on-field-cameo/
There is no way a southern college football coach can have a nuanced view on black lives matter or anthem protests.
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That recent ESPN article on Venables kind of opened my eyes to another possibility. Fair or not, it characterized him as a batshit crazy screamer who curses non-stop on the sidelines and has to be physically restrained by a dedicated person. Maybe that's his ON mode rather than his DC supermotivator mode? Could be awkward at pressers, fundraising dinners, etc. if so.
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That recent ESPN article on Venables kind of opened my eyes to another possibility. Fair or not, it characterized him as a batshit crazy screamer who curses non-stop on the sidelines and has to be physically restrained by a dedicated person. Maybe that's his ON mode rather than his DC supermotivator mode? Could be awkward at pressers, fundraising dinners, etc. if so.
Point?
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Why does ESECPN always purpose that any coach would leave a top flight job for an SEC job? Mike and Mike had a brief question about Saban leaving and how Bama would probably call Dabo for the vacancy. I could see them asking but not expecting much. They connection they seemed to make wasn't that Dabo would be leaving to "go home" but rather it's because it's Alabama. Along a similar thought, why would Jimbo Fisher go to a clearly lesser job at LSU from Florida State? I could maybe see that if FSU had a lot of issues after Bobby left and was down for a few years and they weren't investing in the program at FSU. But it's clear they wanted to get things rolling again and have put the resources and commitment behind Fisher.
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That recent ESPN article on Venables kind of opened my eyes to another possibility. Fair or not, it characterized him as a batshit crazy screamer who curses non-stop on the sidelines and has to be physically restrained by a dedicated person. Maybe that's his ON mode rather than his DC supermotivator mode? Could be awkward at pressers, fundraising dinners, etc. if so.
Which is a great reason we should really want him, but a great reason Currie won't hire him. I mean, getting rid of Frank was hairy enough, and that was basketball. Can you imagine what would have transpired if Frank was a winning Football coach?
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you're dead wrong if you don't think Hawkins was authentic.
Who said that? He's a weirdo.
Hamburgler said it in the post just before mine that you quoted.
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That recent ESPN article on Venables kind of opened my eyes to another possibility. Fair or not, it characterized him as a batshit crazy screamer who curses non-stop on the sidelines and has to be physically restrained by a dedicated person. Maybe that's his ON mode rather than his DC supermotivator mode? Could be awkward at pressers, fundraising dinners, etc. if so.
Bill Self curses like a sailor and gets red faced about two dozen times during games.
It's just his intensity level, and given the results from KSU/OU/Clemson, it's clear to see that it connects with players and produces results.
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That recent ESPN article on Venables kind of opened my eyes to another possibility. Fair or not, it characterized him as a batshit crazy screamer who curses non-stop on the sidelines and has to be physically restrained by a dedicated person. Maybe that's his ON mode rather than his DC supermotivator mode? Could be awkward at pressers, fundraising dinners, etc. if so.
Bill Self curses like a sailor and gets red faced about two dozen times during games.
It's just his intensity level, and given the results from KSU/OU/Clemson, it's clear to see that it connects with players and produces results.
Frank, tho
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It's just his intensity level, and given the results from KSU/OU/Clemson, it's clear to see that it connects with players and produces results.
Frank, tho
Frank is a Latino, tho.
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Clemson obviously prayed harder before the game after hearing Watson's & Dabo's post game interviews.
:buh-bye:
Coach Snyder one time said something like "God has children on both sides of the ball, I don't think he's pulling for one team over the other."
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Plenty of coaches curse and scream all day on the sidelines. Not my concern. I think we mostly agree that BV must have had boatloads of 1st-interview opportunities for HC positions, so I'm engaging in wild speculation by wondering whether he might struggle to turn off the intensity in situations that normally call for cool, calm, and collected. I have no idea. Just throwing it out there since the other working models for why he hasn't taken a HC gig don't seem all that convincing.
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That recent ESPN article on Venables kind of opened my eyes to another possibility. Fair or not, it characterized him as a batshit crazy screamer who curses non-stop on the sidelines and has to be physically restrained by a dedicated person. Maybe that's his ON mode rather than his DC supermotivator mode? Could be awkward at pressers, fundraising dinners, etc. if so.
Which is a great reason we should really want him, but a great reason Currie won't hire him. I mean, getting rid of Frank was hairy enough, and that was basketball. Can you imagine what would have transpired if Frank was a winning Football coach?
Being an unhinged lunatic is a reason to hire him?
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As a fan, that and his performance history, absolutely.
Winning football with an entertaining figure head sounds absolutely amazing to me.
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As a fan, that and his performance history, absolutely.
Winning football with an entertaining figure head sounds absolutely amazing to me.
You will acknowledge though that his sideline demeanor though would be an issue fire someone who's job could hinge on a coach embarrassing the university.
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As a fan, that and his performance history, absolutely.
Winning football with an entertaining figure head sounds absolutely amazing to me.
You will acknowledge though that his sideline demeanor though would be an issue fire someone who's job could hinge on a coach embarrassing the university.
Of course. That's why I made the comment about Frank.
Of note: Leavitt is apparently a sideline maniac too.
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Clemson obviously prayed harder before the game after hearing Watson's & Dabo's post game interviews.
:buh-bye:
Coach Snyder one time said something like "God has children on both sides of the ball, I don't think he's pulling for one team over the other."
he also told the team once at haltime in AMes that they made him want to blow his head off with a shotgun.
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he also told the team once at haltime in AMes that they made him want to blow his head off with a shotgun.
Sounds about right. They've played some horrible 1st halves in Ames. :billdance:
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Proud Paul is back in the saddle bitches!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18491849/arkansas-razorbacks-make-paul-rhoads-defensive-coordinator
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Proud Paul is back in the saddle bitches!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18491849/arkansas-razorbacks-make-paul-rhoads-defensive-coordinator
this is awesome
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Reportedly back during Helmapolloza in Ames. Snyder and staff didn't even go into the locker room at half.
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Spavital joins Red Bull again as WVU OC.
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Sounds like some kind of illicit cocktail.
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https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/888184074350841860
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:Wha:
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He called an escort service :lol:
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https://twitter.com/ByJoeFleming/status/888182797122363393
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Ole Miss pious, church sermon giving HC gets fired because Houston Nutt sued him & FIOA'd his state issued phone & found calls to escorts services, all while the HC had a 2nd personal phone in his other pocket. Only at Ole Miss.
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:Wha:
:lol:
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does it look like it was for hisself or for recruits?
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(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5645ffa7e4b040eb3150ad92/t/580a1161e58c62a7a12cf31c/1477054837018/?format=750w)
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does it look like it was for hisself or for recruits?
If you have to ask...
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Hey, head coaches get lonely too.
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Sometimes a head coach needs a head coach. *wink wink nudge nudge*
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Don't go all Phogistan SDK
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https://twitter.com/banditref/status/888370595867615232
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(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5645ffa7e4b040eb3150ad92/t/580a1161e58c62a7a12cf31c/1477054837018/?format=750w)
I seriously want Tosh to do a stand in for Lane
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I'm pretty sure Lane would drop everything for that job without even breaking up with FAU using a text message.
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I'm pretty sure Lane would drop everything for that job without even breaking up with FAU using a text message.
Not with the sanctions they have coming. The Nutt lawsuit and open records request came at about the worst time ever for Ol' Miss.
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I'm pretty sure Lane would drop everything for that job without even breaking up with FAU using a text message.
Not with the sanctions they have coming. The Nutt lawsuit and open records request came at about the worst time ever for Ol' Miss.
They can always hire Les Miles. He has made it pretty clear he will take any job.
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Ole Miss pious, church sermon giving HC gets fired because Houston Nutt sued him & FIOA'd his state issued phone & found calls to escorts services, all while the HC had a 2nd personal phone in his other pocket. Only at Ole Miss.
Ole Miss just admitted Freeze's phone was paid for by the athletic foundation & not wasn't subject to the FOIA. They turned over the incriminating records to Nutt's lawyers when they didn't have to. Only at Ole Miss :ROFL:
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Ole Miss pious, church sermon giving HC gets fired because Houston Nutt sued him & FIOA'd his state issued phone & found calls to escorts services, all while the HC had a 2nd personal phone in his other pocket. Only at Ole Miss.
Ole Miss just admitted Freeze's phone was paid for by the athletic foundation & not wasn't subject to the FOIA. They turned over the incriminating records to Nutt's lawyers when they didn't have to. Only at Ole Miss :ROFL:
yeah, I think he was sunk once they started digging though, probably would have happened either way.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/30/allegations-of-inappropriate-behavior-emerge-against-hugh-freeze/