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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: troubledscribe on November 19, 2016, 12:11:40 PM
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A huge pile of steaming crap.
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We might win, because so does Baylor!
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We get the ball after half.
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Well crap. If Baylor scores here, that's ballgame.
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I hate Ertz. He makes a play every once in a while, but mostly he's crap.
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My gawd the small town Iowa kid sucks ass.
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I don't want to give up, but I'm to that point. They make it so hard to care.
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Ballgame.
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I hate Ertz. He makes a play every once in a while, but mostly he's crap.
He's really good at taking sacks.
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Two weeks to prepare against a team that's collapsing, and we're going to breath new life into their program. I'm so sick of this coaching staff and their complete ineptitude.
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Ertz sucks, but our coaching staff keeping him in the game I hate.
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I mean we're not the #79 team for nothing.
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We're extremely poorly coached. It's embarrassing
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Ertz giveth and he taketh away. He was 99% responsible for our only points, but also like 75% responsible for half of Baylor's.
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We're extremely poorly coached. It's embarrassing
This + no energy, which I also blame on the geriatric coaching staff.
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Halftime coffee break should help.
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The 2016 KSU Cats team is starting to make me lose interest in football. :frown:
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2004ish
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Ertz 12 carries (10 rushes 2 sacks)
RB trio 8 carries
Dimel 1 carry on 38 goal line special
15 pass attempts
So 8 of our 36 plays (I'm not counting the kneel down) are runs for our RBs. We aren't having a great day running but those 3 are Ave 6.25 per carry. Yet we continue to call Ertz QB runs and quick throws to outside WRs.
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TD drive....
10 plays. 6 runs by RBs (6.5 per rush)
Barnes now 8.0 on the day
:Woot:
So we will probably go away from our RBs on this drive
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Yep
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TD drive....
10 plays. 6 runs by RBs (6.5 per rush)
Barnes now 8.0 on the day
:Woot:
So we will probably go away from our RBs on this drive
Right on cue.
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TD drive....
10 plays. 6 runs by RBs (6.5 per rush)
Barnes now 8.0 on the day
:Woot:
So we will probably go away from our RBs on this drive
Pass, pass, pass/run option, pass.... 3rd and 18 :curse:
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WHY DO WE REFUSE TO RUN!!!!
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Can someone who is smart about coaching tell me why we won't run it?
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GIVE BARNES THE BALL!!!!
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TD!
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$5 says Barnes doesn't see another snap this game.
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LHC Bill Snyder'S CPU IS A LEARNING COMPUTER!
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$5 says Barnes doesn't see another snap this game.
You're on.
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$5 says Barnes doesn't see another snap this game.
You're on.
It happened before anyone agreed to it. Sorry Sundance
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25 plays
15 runs by our RBs
6.7 per carry on those runs
11 of those 15 carries went for 5+ yds or were a TD run
Barnes alone 12-85 in 2nd Hf
3 TD in 3 drives.
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this is one of my favorite kstate football teams ever. they're pretty good.
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Of course, a 5 yd loss on a run by Ertz just screwed up that drive.
I know we have to run Ertz some, but Baylor is just getting gashed by Barnes. They are tired and ready to quit. Make them stop Barnes....or even Jones or Silmon.
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I'm going to rough riding lose it if we find a way to blow a 14 point lead with less than 8 minutes left to play.
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I'm going to lose it if we blow a 14pt lead with 5min. left play :cheers:
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Of course, a 5 yd loss on a run by Ertz just screwed up that drive.
I know we have to run Ertz some, but Baylor is just getting gashed by Barnes. They are tired and ready to quit. Make them stop Barnes....or even Jones or Silmon.
You know a lot of the Ertz runs are the same play calls as a lot of our RB runs, right?
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Can someone who is smart about coaching tell me why we won't run it?
Because they're expecting us to run it because they know we know they can't stop it. So if we pass it then maybe they won't defend it even though they're much better at defending it because they're expecting us to do the thing they can't stop.
I mean, this is football 101 stuff.
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I'm going to lose it if we blow a 14pt lead with 5min. left play :cheers:
I've just decided to start chugging beers right now either way. I would suggest the same for all readers of this board (unless you are :driving: LOL).
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Is anyone else a little troubled by the fact that Hubes got the garbage time snaps instead of Delton?
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The 2016 KSU Cats team is starting to make me lose interest in football. :frown:
Football interest restored to pregame levels. The first half sure took a lot out of me tho.
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Baylor is terrible.
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Baylor is terrible.
Lowest points and yardage of the year, hoe.
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Fun thread guys.
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Baylor is terrible.
Lowest points and yardage of the year, hoe.
The defense was incredible, despite the backup QB. Best defensive performance against a P5 since???
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#BeastModeBarnes
18 carries 120 yds 4 TDs.......
In the 2nd half alone
:love: :love: :love: :love:
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Baylor is terrible.
Lowest points and yardage of the year, hoe.
The defense was incredible, despite the backup QB. Best defensive performance against a P5 since???
I can't remember a game where one player had as many big hits as Elijah Lee had today.
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Baylor is terrible.
Lowest points and yardage of the year, hoe.
The defense was incredible, despite the backup QB. Best defensive performance against a P5 since???
2014 shutout of UT
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Baylor is terrible.
Lowest points and yardage of the year, hoe.
The defense was incredible, despite the backup QB. Best defensive performance against a P5 since???
2014 shutout of UT
Good one, this felt even better for some reason. Maybe because I've been preconditioned by how terrible we've of late that it made today seem so good.
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Baylor is terrible.
Lowest points and yardage of the year, hoe.
The defense was incredible, despite the backup QB. Best defensive performance against a P5 since???
2014 shutout of UT
Good one, this felt even better for some reason. Maybe because I've been preconditioned by how terrible we've of late that it made today seem so good.
This one is better, that UT offense was hapless.
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Is anyone else a little troubled by the fact that Hubes got the garbage time snaps instead of Delton?
Yes this was annoying. I'm curious as to why this was
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Baylor's QB was hilarious. He had no fucks to give for any potential negative consequence. Getting pressured? Heave it down the field because maybe a receiver will catch it and it'll be awesome, nothing bad can come from it. There was a play where our pass-rusher was a giant wall in his throwing lane, and he was like "I am a great QB and can absolutely throw it through this dude's chest." Mixed-Nutz and I had a good time imagining him in other real life scenarios.
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Baylor's QB was hilarious. He had no fucks to give for any potential negative consequence. Getting pressured? Heave it down the field because maybe a receiver will catch it and it'll be awesome, nothing bad can come from it. There was a play where our pass-rusher was a giant wall in his throwing lane, and he was like "I am a great QB and can absolutely throw it through this dude's chest." Mixed-Nutz and I had a good time imagining him in other real life scenarios.
almost felt bad for him when his receivers bitched out on him for our pick in the endzone. almost.
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Is anyone else a little troubled by the fact that Hubes got the garbage time snaps instead of Delton?
Yes this was annoying. I'm curious as to why this was
I think it was either two or three plays and they were only hand offs. The bigger question is why Sisco didn't take those snaps, he came in the last drive to take a knee.
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Is anyone else a little troubled by the fact that Hubes got the garbage time snaps instead of Delton?
Yes this was annoying. I'm curious as to why this was
I think it was either two or three plays and they were only hand offs. The bigger question is why Sisco didn't take those snaps, he came in the last drive to take a knee.
Didn't notice he came back. Very strange.
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My guess as to why Ertz came in to take the knee is that Hubener probably doesn't take many snaps under center in practice.
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My guess as to why Ertz came in to take the knee is that Hubener probably doesn't take many snaps under center in practice.
Good call
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Also, it's the victory formation. Why not let the starter take those snaps? Risk of injury is pretty close to 0.
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Also, it's the victory formation. Why not let the starter take those snaps? Risk of injury is pretty close to 0.
Thank God Weber doesn't coach the team. Instant broken foot.
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Man oh man, did you see after 10 rough ridin' games the coaches figured out who the best RB was for a whole rough ridin' quarter!
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The D probably should've had about 5 picks due to what trim said.. but man the Baylor wide outs were not helping him out at all..
How about that catch by Zuber and the kickoff return by Reed :love:
felt great to be a 2nd half team :Purple Koolaid:
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Man oh man, did you see after 10 rough ridin' games the coaches figured out who the best RB was for a whole rough ridin' quarter!
Barnes is great, but Jones was gashing these guys as well. Coaches just kept feeding Barnes because why would you stop? Our O line just took over the second half.
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but Jones was gashing these guys as well.
with the exception of one run, no he really wasn't.. but that one run :love: first time ever he's hit a hole without dancing around and just took off
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but Jones was gashing these guys as well.
with the exception of one run, no he really wasn't.. but that one run :love: first time ever he's hit a hole without dancing around and just took off
To be fair, he's had several of those this year. He does still go east-west too much though.
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I don't want to be fair though. especially when we've got thoroughbreds he's taking snaps away from
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but Jones was gashing these guys as well.
with the exception of one run, no he really wasn't.. but that one run :love: first time ever he's hit a hole without dancing around and just took off
But IIRC that one run was on the same drive where Barnes went off. I just think the lanes started being there after our line stepped up.
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FWIW, I'm not advocating for Jones over Barnes. Barnes needs to get 70% of the snaps and at least 20 carries, but I'm fine with Jones getting some reps. He's had a decent season.
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I like rotating silmon/barnes and think of them as almost interchangeable warmack is a nice change of pace tho and I think he is our quickest and most shifty back.
CJ can come in on screen passes and blocking assignments
posted this a while back but its safe to say barnes is possibly our next secretariat.. I think he's a mudder
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FYI:
Best KSU FR RBs in the last 25 years:
16 Barnes 46-339
15 Silmon 78-350
08 Dold 82-333
06 Patton 108-609
05 Fisher 48-289
01 Sproles 28-210
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I think you guys are ignoring how great Barnes is at not getting tackled for a loss. Several times on Saturday if old Charlie "dancing legs" Jones was in we would have gotten a five yard loss and Barnes at least got us back to the line of scrimmage.
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I think you guys are ignoring how great Barnes is at not getting tackled for a loss. Several times on Saturday if old Charlie "dancing legs" Jones was in we would have gotten a five yard loss and Barnes at least got us back to the line of scrimmage.
I'm not.
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7.4 YPC :love:
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FYI:
Best KSU FR RBs in the last 25 years:
16 Barnes 46-339
15 Silmon 78-350
08 Dold 82-333
06 Patton 108-609
05 Fisher 48-289
01 Sproles 28-210
man yeah. leon was good. that run against Oklahoma state :love: .
That OSU game was probably my favorite of the Prince era.
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FYI:
Best KSU FR RBs in the last 25 years:
16 Barnes 46-339
15 Silmon 78-350
08 Dold 82-333
06 Patton 108-609
05 Fisher 48-289
01 Sproles 28-210
man yeah. leon was good. that run against Oklahoma state :love: .
That OSU game was probably my favorite of the Prince era.
Texas?
Yeah, it was a fun game though.
And Logan Dold on the list.
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does stud running back barnes have a nickname?
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I think you guys are ignoring how great Barnes is at not getting tackled for a loss. Several times on Saturday if old Charlie "dancing legs" Jones was in we would have gotten a five yard loss and Barnes at least got us back to the line of scrimmage.
I'm not.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/800086034725933056
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does stud running back barnes have a nickname?
BarnesYards!
:excited:
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FYI:
Best KSU FR RBs in the last 25 years:
16 Barnes 46-339
15 Silmon 78-350
08 Dold 82-333
06 Patton 108-609
05 Fisher 48-289
01 Sproles 28-210
man yeah. leon was good. that run against Oklahoma state :love: .
That OSU game was probably my favorite of the Prince era.
Texas?
Yeah, it was a fun game though.
And Logan Dold on the list.
Texas '06 was great, but that OSU game was Freeman's first start if I remember right, and had me feeling very, very optimistic with our freshman backfield.
But you're right, Texas '06 was fantastic.
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the Pittsburgh pirate
fried chicken
shake n bake
Barnaby jones
barnes and mobile
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I had a pretty great name related barnes joke in chat this weekend
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Barnes Anderson
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I'm thinking something astrological and spacey. "the kansas comet" has a nice ring to it.
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I'm thinking something astrological and spacey. "the kansas comet" has a nice ring to it.
i like this
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Jones is an inconsistent runner. Had some games where he ran with purpose and looked very good. Other games like Iowa State he looked indecisive.
Also I think Dlew threw out Barnes Stormer in chat
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Jones is an inconsistent runner. Had some games where he ran with purpose and looked very good. Other games like Iowa State he looked indecisive.
iowa state where he got 5 carries for 37 yards?
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Jones has had some really nice games. Tech, Texas, and OSU. He was playing solid against Baylor until Barnes took over.
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I hate Ertz as our qb, guy cannot throw the ball.
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#LetDeltonThrow
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Dana Dimel is a rough ridin' racist #fightme
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Dana Dimel is a rough ridin' racist #fightme
Probably :dunno:
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Alex Barnes' nickname is Barnes & Noble, fwiw. Or at the minimum, just say Alex Barnes the way Jerry Seinfeld says "Alec Berrrg" in that one episode.
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I hate Ertz as our qb
:ROFL:
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I hate Ertz as our qb, guy cannot throw the ball.
Well you saw the other guys today. Who's your guy?(warning there are two wrong answers to this question per today's qb play)
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To be fair, Delton didn't get a chance to throw the football. It's pretty hard to judge his throwing ability when he never gets the chance. He ran the ball very well, considering they knew it was coming every single time.
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I hate Ertz as our qb
:ROFL:
Yeah, anyone who feels this way is a super moron.
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delton should convert to WR or transfer.
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I hate Ertz as our qb
:ROFL:
Yeah, anyone who feels this way is a super moron.
KU roles out some Caleb stucky or some kid I've never heard of at qb and he was twice the QB we have. We've recruited so poorly at qb it's a terrible joke. These guys make Waters look like a NFL all-star.
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Our guys threw less picks
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i would much rather have someone better and less hurtery than ertz as our qb as well
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Kus qb was awful, shut up idiots. Ertz had like 100 yards on like 7 carries. Plus he mushed that bitch safety.
Get mad at our dildo oc who called a thousand boring ass plays
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Sean Snyder needs to go away. Our special teams look awful.
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Kus qb was awful, shut up idiots. Ertz had like 100 yards on like 7 carries. Plus he mushed that bitch safety.
Get mad at our dildo oc who called a thousand boring ass plays
At this point i just laugh at the morons who hold it against Sisco that hold it against him that we run the offense we are running. As if any quarterback would be okay with throwing 6 passes . They asked him to run, he's the best running QB in the conferences, some people are happy being unhappy.
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Kus qb was awful, shut up idiots. Ertz had like 100 yards on like 7 carries. Plus he mushed that bitch safety.
Get mad at our dildo oc who called a thousand boring ass plays
At this point i just laugh at the morons who hold it against Sisco that hold it against him that we run the offense we are running. As if any quarterback would be okay with throwing 6 passes . They asked him to run, he's the best running QB in the conferences, some people are happy being unhappy.
Yeah it's pretty dumb to play the players when the coaches put them in bad spots. You have to give Hubes last year, and now Ertz credit for doing as well as they can with a lot of weird decisions being made from the sidelines.
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Ertz is an average, inconsistent QB that is a slightly below average thrower and slightly above average runner. One OC is a rough ridin' idiot that calls the most predictable crap (like the Ertz shotgun run on 4th down) and the other can't develop crap for a QB unless you're a 250 lb nimble battering ram that is one one the 3 best leaders the program has ever seen. It's not Sisco's fault, but its rough ridin' infruriating that we run this offense with a QB that won't hold up (like 90% of QBs) but can't do anything different because he's not good at throwing consistently. It a known recipe for the shitty football played yesterday.
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You can't sit here and lay it all on the OC after noting that our #1 is avg at best, after watching the two other alternatives be worse in the same game, and not be upset with whoeves job is finding/signing qbs.
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You can't sit here and lay it all on the OC after noting that our #1 is avg at best, after watching the two other alternatives be worse in the same game, and not be upset with whoeves job is finding/signing qbs.
Did you miss the part where I bitched about Del Miller too? If you're going that route, Dana is responsible for the RBs, so he's the reason Barnes rarely played the firstb8 games and didn't get a touch in the 1st quarter yesterday. I think Barnes came in the spring of his senior year, so it took Dana 1.6 seasons and 2 complete sets of spring practices to get Alex ready.
And I'm not going to let people say "well, it's the other guys fault Dana doesn't have crap to work with". They're both responsible. In the WVU game Tony Gibson toyed with dumbass Dana the whole game. Dana's inability to handle a game has cost us 3 wins the last 2 years.
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Ertz would have played the second half if the game was in question, it wasn't, the coaches were willing to air it out, they weren't.
Our offense has had marked improvement imo, we are a middle of the road offense that really should be better next year.
Agree that Colin Kline spoiled the staff.
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Ertz would have played the second half if the game was in question, it wasn't, the coaches were willing to air it out, they weren't.
Our offense has had marked improvement imo, we are a middle of the road offense that really should be better next year.
Agree that Colin Kline spoiled the staff.
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Our offense has improved immensely as the year has progressed, though granted the passing game still has a ways to go. I'm continually impressed with our zone blocking up front. This year in particular we have gone away from some of the power schemes we've used in the past and our offensive line has become really good.
Maybe they were slightly concerned after the onside kick, but for the most part our coaches never felt in doubt about the game. They completely called the 2nd half of the game that way to avoid injuries and putting the team in position to win next week. Snyder has done this plenty of times in the past.
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Agree, the second half of that game yesterday was called the same as if they were up 45-7 against Joe Fcs.
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Is Skylar a running QB?
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You guys act like it's oc fault when Ertz can't throw the ball. What else is he suppose to do but run when literally no one has any confidence in him.
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I actually enjoyed the series with Delton running the same play over and over. Ertz could have returned had we really needed him and it was clear from his action on the sideline that Hubener was good to go as well.
Bill was basically telling Beaty "Your shitty football team is such a joke to me that I'm going to run my 3rd string QB at you for a while just because I can".
:dunno:
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You guys act like it's oc fault when Ertz can't throw the ball.
It is their fault. Who the eff else's job is it to coach a QB how to be an effective thrower or find someone else that can?
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You guys act like it's oc fault when Ertz can't throw the ball.
It is their fault. Who the eff else's job is it to coach a QB how to be an effective thrower or find someone else that can?
Exactly. Things like form, footwork, knowledge of where a reciever will end up, etc. are 100% coachable things. That is absolutely on the coaching staff. And if he can't throw because he got injured at the start of the season or whatever, then it's on the coaches to not use the QB battering ram offense.
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In the limited time Ertz was in the game, his throws were on target and had good placement and velocity.
He also ran the crap out of the ball.
Our playcalling was very predictable based on the formations we were in, but we still had really good efficiency on offense in the first half. Had Ertz played the third quarter, he probably leaves the game with 250 total yards and we're up 41-9.
What was terrifying is what it looked like when Delton dropped back to pass. Holy crap.
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In the limited time Ertz was in the game, his throws were on target and had good placement and velocity.
He also ran the crap out of the ball.
Our playcalling was very predictable based on the formations we were in, but we still had really good efficiency on offense in the first half. Had Ertz played the third quarter, he probably leaves the game with 250 total yards and we're up 41-9.
What was terrifying is what it looked like when Delton dropped back to pass. Holy crap.
You mean all one times? And it was a screen?
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Do what you want with this.
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Is Skylar a running QB?
He's a dual threat. Sisco came here as a pro style QB and they turned him into this.
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Do what you want with this.
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So CK improved and Ertz is getting worse.
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Do what you want with this.
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So CK improved and Ertz is getting worse.
Most people wouldn't have taken that as an opportunity to further looking like an idiot, happy to see you didn't disappoint.
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Do what you want with this.
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So CK improved and Ertz is getting worse.
Most people wouldn't have taken that as an opportunity to further looking like an idiot, happy to see you didn't disappoint.
I didn't peg you as such a big Ertz fan MIR.
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Did not remember CK fumbling that much but don't doubt he did but odd his non-con stats aren't included. Waters' interceptions add up to more than total shown.
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Do what you want with this.
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2011 had some kind of divine intervention.
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Comparing Ertz to 2011 Klein isn't fair. It's insinuating Ertz can jump to 2012 Klein. He's not doing that because no one is doing that. We had one of the few QBs that could survive what Klein did those 2 years.
However, if Dimel would just pick Barnes and let Ertz/Barnes develop half the read/option relationship Klein/Hubert had, I think Jesse could make a huge jump.
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Do what you want with this.
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So CK improved and Ertz is getting worse.
Most people wouldn't have taken that as an opportunity to further looking like an idiot, happy to see you didn't disappoint.
I didn't peg you as such a big Ertz fan MIR.
MIR has been team sisco from the beginning. You are really just making yourself look worse here.
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I'm not saying that Ertz will be Klein, but clearly comparing their stats isn't outlandish. Plus, both Klein and Waters made significant improvements in year two, like almost any other Snyder QB. You don't even have to be a ridiculous optimist like me to see that offensively the future looks pretty good for K-State.
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I'm not saying that Ertz will be Klein, but clearly comparing their stats isn't outlandish. Plus, both Klein and Waters made significant improvements in year two, like almost any other Snyder QB. You don't even have to be a ridiculous optimist like me to see that offensively the future looks pretty good for K-State.
I'm curious why you left out 3 games for Klein in 2011 but included the whole season for Waters.
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I'm not saying that Ertz will be Klein, but clearly comparing their stats isn't outlandish. Plus, both Klein and Waters made significant improvements in year two, like almost any other Snyder QB. You don't even have to be a ridiculous optimist like me to see that offensively the future looks pretty good for K-State.
I'm curious why you left out 3 games for Klein in 2011 but included the whole season for Waters.
Honestly, I didn't notice. The game log from fox doesn't have them.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/collin-klein-player-game-log?season=2011
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Comparing Ertz to 2011 Klein isn't fair. It's insinuating Ertz can jump to 2012 Klein. He's not doing that because no one is doing that. We had one of the few QBs that could survive what Klein did those 2 years.
However, if Dimel would just pick Barnes and let Ertz/Barnes develop half the read/option relationship Klein/Hubert had, I think Jesse could make a huge jump.
He won't hold up if he continues to get this high volume of carries, but the hope is that be be allowed to develop as a passer so he won't need to carry it as much as Klein did. Also you mentioned Barnes, I love John Hubert, but the run game from the RBs should be much more productive.
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i'm not sure that MiR and the coaches share the same hope that ertz be allowed to develop as a passer. bill's offense is what bill's offense does.
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Yep. I've come around on Ertz. I think his arm really limits our offense, but he runs well enough that he makes up for it.
He's very patient letting blocks develop (like Klein) and is very very good in the open field. If he can improve his passing over the offseason he could be a VERY good quarterback at KSU Cats U.
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Yep. I've come around on Ertz. I think his arm really limits our offense, but he runs well enough that he makes up for it.
He's very patient letting blocks develop (like Klein) and is very very good in the open field. If he can improve his passing over the offseason he could be a VERY good quarterback at KSU Cats U.
i agree with mr dlew12 here, but i also reserve the right to demand delton gets put in when ertz is sucking.
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Ertz is running A LOT less than Klein did. Klein ran 24 times a game as a JR. Ertz is at around 13 per game. Also, we use the backs more and Dimelcat around the goal line to prevent QB hits.
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The Ertz 2016 - Klein 2011 comparo is pretty :surprised:
I agree with overall with _FAN (and have been thinking it was a possibility anyways) that next year we take a good step forward, regardless if it's Ertz or Thompson (though I do hope Ertz runs less, not that he's bad at it just durability).
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Do what you want with this.
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Comparing Ertz to 2011 Klein isn't fair. It's insinuating Ertz can jump to 2012 Klein. He's not doing that because no one is doing that. We had one of the few QBs that could survive what Klein did those 2 years.
However, if Dimel would just pick Barnes and let Ertz/Barnes develop half the read/option relationship Klein/Hubert had, I think Jesse could make a huge jump.
He won't hold up if he continues to get this high volume of carries, but the hope is that be be allowed to develop as a passer so he won't need to carry it as much as Klein did. Also you mentioned Barnes, I love John Hubert, but the run game from the RBs should be much more productive.
Barnes broke 2 long runs kicking out around the right side of the line. Klein/Hubert had very productive read option where Hubert went wide by design. Hit that a couple times with Barnes and Ertz becomes more effective when keeping and won't just be running into a pile. All this talk has me remembering how much I loved Hubert in 2012.
Ertz has his limitations passing, but if we're going to run this offense I can't wait until Barnes has to stop sharing time with Jones and he and Ertz become more comfortable with each other. Some sort of continuity will help Ertz. I also hope when we get to 2nd and 2, we just decide to run it twice with Barnes and get the 1st down like we did with Klein in 2012.
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unless the staff can figure out how to reinforce his body with fiberglass rods, ertz will never become the quarterback we all want him to be.
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Klein, full season stats correction:
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I loved John Hubert
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LHC Bill Snyder kills his players. literally kills them. all in the name of a few meaningless wins (his words, not mine).
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For goodness sakes. Ertz is not a good runner.
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LHC Bill Snyder kills his players. literally kills them. all in the name of a few meaningless wins (his words, not mine).
i've been thinking about this problem a lot. we all love snyder and we all know he kills players. how then can we ethically let him coach to 250? friends, the answer is right here under our noses - robots.
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robots? i was thinking drones. but yes, snyder's brand of football is a mental game, no need for the continued and senseless violence that he's subjected to the children of the corn, our kids from kansas.
it's time that we end his jason vorhees like approach to youth development
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I was thinking football was going to go the way of robots; now's our chance to be a first mover so the KSU fightin robocats can be instant blue bloods.
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i'm not sure that MiR and the coaches share the same hope that ertz be allowed to develop as a passer. bill's offense is what bill's offense does.
Reading your posts I think you know I was referring to this but I was talking less about Sisco and more about our offense. There is no one alive that can survive it at quarterback; not Collin Klein, not Cam Newton, not even Winston Dimel. We lost to Baylor in '12 because we had half of a quarterback.
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i'm not sure that MiR and the coaches share the same hope that ertz be allowed to develop as a passer. bill's offense is what bill's offense does.
Reading your posts I think you know I was referring to this but I was talking less about Sisco and more about our offense. There is no one alive that can survive it at quarterback; not Collin Klein, not Cam Newton, not even Winston Dimel. We lost to Baylor in '12 because we had half of a quarterback.
i'm not sure what part of my post was confusing but when was the last season we didn't have a mumped up QB?
bill isn't going to change his offense other than to limit passes he doesn't think his qb can make; see- delton yesterday
he's going to continue to ram his qb into bigger stronger and faster players without giving any fucks about it
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You guys act like it's oc fault when Ertz can't throw the ball. What else is he suppose to do but run when literally no one has any confidence in him.
He can't throw because his shoulder is shot. Who in the eff was the cause of that. If you have to ask, you are quite the dumbass.
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Do what you want with this.
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So CK improved and Ertz is getting worse.
Congratulations, you win the "idiot of the week" award.
On the totals, other than the rushing TD's and Yards per passing attempts, everything else is almost similar.
And you can't sit here and tell me that he's not going to get better in year 2. It has been well established that starting QB's from year 1 to year 2 has improved across the board.
This will be no different, and expectations should be 9+ wins next year.
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Do what you want with this.
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So CK improved and Ertz is getting worse.
Congratulations, you win the "idiot of the week" award.
On the totals, other than the rushing TD's and Yards per passing attempts, everything else is almost similar.
And you can't sit here and tell me that he's not going to get better in year 2. It has been well established that starting QB's from year 1 to year 2 has improved across the board.
This will be no different, and expectations should be 9+ wins next year.
He's not going to get better. I will be surprised if he actually finishes next season as the starter. He already has peaked and sadly is most likely another knee injury away from being disabled.
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I watched some amazingly painfully offensive football in 2011. The game @Texas immediately comes to mind. Easter Kentucky was awful.
This team is ahead of where the 2011 team was, offensively, by 0.65 yards a play. Now, that could change in the next two games because we'll be playing better teams, but the offense is coming around.
Jesse is 100 yards of passing and 225 yards of rushing shy of 1500/1000. The only two guys to pass 1000 yards passing and rushing in a year in Snyder's tenure are 2002 Roberson (1580/1032) and 2011 Klein (1918/1141). In terms of yards per play, Jesse is doing about a yard better than Klein, and about a yard worse than Ell.
I fully support any critique of Jesse that includes his durability. But, statistically, this offense isn't awful. This is the best rushing team in Snyder 2.0 and Jesse has a lot to do with that. Once they added the actual option to the offense, as opposed to the pure zone read, things really took off.
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Another thing about next year...
Going into next season, we theoretically have the following starters figured out:
QB1: Ertz
RB1: Barnes
FB1: Dimel
WR1: Pringle
WR2: Heath
TE1: Valentine
LT1: Fitzner
LG1: Beecham
C: Navjar
RT1: Risner
That entire unit that has been taking snaps all year as starters will be taking #1 snaps during bowl season, spring practice, player led 7 on 7 in the offseason, and fall camp. Between the TCU game and September of next year, essentially the entire offense will have about 9 weeks of structured practice with no competition taking away snaps from the starting unit.
And Carlos Strickland will be coming off his redshirt next year to provide a lift to the WR corps.
There is reason for optimism.
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Ertz is going to have surgery after the bowl game on his shoulder and won't be taking any snaps in spring practice or probably any summer 7 on 7 either fwiw.
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So he shouldn't have any trouble focusing on passing
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Another thing about next year...
Going into next season, we theoretically have the following starters figured out:
QB1: Ertz
RB1: Barnes
FB1: Dimel
WR1: Pringle
WR2: Heath
TE1: Valentine
LT1: Fitzner
LG1: Beecham
C: Navjar
RT1: Risner
That entire unit that has been taking snaps all year as starters will be taking #1 snaps during bowl season, spring practice, player led 7 on 7 in the offseason, and fall camp. Between the TCU game and September of next year, essentially the entire offense will have about 9 weeks of structured practice with no competition taking away snaps from the starting unit.
And Carlos Strickland will be coming off his redshirt next year to provide a lift to the WR corps.
There is reason for optimism.
You aren't wrong. IMO.
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Ertz is going to have surgery after the bowl game on his shoulder and won't be taking any snaps in spring practice or probably any summer 7 on 7 either fwiw.
This is best case scenario. Will provide Skylar with time to practice with the starters.
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i'm not sure that MiR and the coaches share the same hope that ertz be allowed to develop as a passer. bill's offense is what bill's offense does.
Reading your posts I think you know I was referring to this but I was talking less about Sisco and more about our offense. There is no one alive that can survive it at quarterback; not Collin Klein, not Cam Newton, not even Winston Dimel. We lost to Baylor in '12 because we had half of a quarterback.
i'm not sure what part of my post was confusing but when was the last season we didn't have a mumped up QB?
bill isn't going to change his offense other than to limit passes he doesn't think his qb can make; see- delton yesterday
he's going to continue to ram his qb into bigger stronger and faster players without giving any fucks about it
I was clumsily attempting to express agreement with you.
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Ertz is going to have surgery after the bowl game on his shoulder and won't be taking any snaps in spring practice or probably any summer 7 on 7 either fwiw.
This is best case scenario. Will provide Skylar with time to practice with the starters.
A player busting his ass for your pleasure having surgery is a "best case scenario?" I'm going to give you credit and will assume you are not as big of a piece of crap as your post made you sound, be better dude.
As for Sisco, I understand that they don't even know what the hell is exactly wrong with the shoulder yet so it could be as simple as a scope or as intrusive as having to use cadaver bone and cartilage to reconstruct the shoulder. My wish is that the staff strongly encourages him to get the work done when the semester is over, but doing what's best for the student athlete is probably too much to ask.
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The K-State Offense: Keeping orthopedic surgeons in new vacation homes since 1989
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seriously, who was the last Snyder QB that didn't have an offseason shoulder surgery? Carson? And before that...???
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Another thing about next year...
Going into next season, we theoretically have the following starters figured out:
QB1: Ertz
RB1: Barnes
FB1: Dimel
WR1: Pringle
WR2: Heath
TE1: Valentine
LT1: Fitzner
LG1: Beecham
C: Navjar
RT1: Risner
That entire unit that has been taking snaps all year as starters will be taking #1 snaps during bowl season, spring practice, player led 7 on 7 in the offseason, and fall camp. Between the TCU game and September of next year, essentially the entire offense will have about 9 weeks of structured practice with no competition taking away snaps from the starting unit.
And Carlos Strickland will be coming off his redshirt next year to provide a lift to the WR corps.
There is reason for optimism.
I'm assuming you meant LT1: Frantz and RG1: Fitzner
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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Another thing about next year...
Going into next season, we theoretically have the following starters figured out:
QB1: Ertz
RB1: Barnes
FB1: Dimel
WR1: Pringle
WR2: Heath
TE1: Valentine
LT1: Fitzner
LG1: Beecham
C: Navjar
RT1: Risner
That entire unit that has been taking snaps all year as starters will be taking #1 snaps during bowl season, spring practice, player led 7 on 7 in the offseason, and fall camp. Between the TCU game and September of next year, essentially the entire offense will have about 9 weeks of structured practice with no competition taking away snaps from the starting unit.
And Carlos Strickland will be coming off his redshirt next year to provide a lift to the WR corps.
There is reason for optimism.
I'm assuming you meant LT1: Frantz and RG1: Fitzner
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
LT1: Frantz, yes. Typo.
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
i regret to inform you that ertz will not stay healthy in his career at ksu cats. our back ups are as, or more, important than he is.
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
i regret to inform you that ertz will not stay healthy in his career at ksu cats. our back ups are as, or more, important than he is.
yeah, i get it.
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
Maybe Delton will beat him out, but I'm guessing Thompson.
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
i regret to inform you that ertz will not stay healthy in his career at ksu cats. our back ups are as, or more, important than he is.
yeah, i get it.
no you don't
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
i regret to inform you that ertz will not stay healthy in his career at ksu cats. our back ups are as, or more, important than he is.
yeah, i get it.
no you don't
what am i missing mr. clams if you dont mind?
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next year will shape up nicely.
ive come to appreciate ertz for what he is. a solid p5 starter nothing more nothing less
real question is who will qb2 be?
i regret to inform you that ertz will not stay healthy in his career at ksu cats. our back ups are as, or more, important than he is.
yeah, i get it.
no you don't
what am i missing mr. clams if you dont mind?
i don't know
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“We don’t want him to get injured to the point that he can’t play,” Snyder said. “That would be inappropriate for us. The other two (quarterbacks) were healthy and it made sense to do that.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article117824318.html#storylink=cpy
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it's rough ridin' stupid, LHC Bill Snyder is a psychopath and should be charged with multiple felonies
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oh man that's an awesome quote
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Ertz still looks like crap.
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Ertz still looks like crap.
You know who really looks like crap; our rough ridin' OC's!!! We got a hurt player leading in rushing when we got 4 rough ridin' capable running backs!
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Ertz still looks like crap.
32 yard run Ertz donut
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eff you Dimel(s).
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eff you Dimel(s).
It's really ridiculous.
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eff you Dimel(s).
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why did he get a mid field carry?
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i mean, if he hadnt lost the ball, it would have been a good carry. our running backs are better in that scenario.
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i mean, if he hadnt lost the ball, it would have been a good carry. our running backs are better in that scenario.
eff those RB's, we got a QB with a mumped up shoulder and knee we can run to death! DD tells DM when decussing play calls.
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This half looks much better.
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we look okay
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we look okay
Nepotism is still gross though.
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Some of you guys. I don't know.
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The slant to Pringle was a great pass...
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Ertz still looks like crap.
:ROFL: you're so stupid
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Ertz still looks like crap.
10-17 on 3rd down and rushed for 170 yards and a touchdown... Jfc
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Ertz still looks like crap.
10-17 on 3rd down and rushed for 170 yards and a touchdown... Jfc
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Still looks terrible against any decent team and I expect him to get rolled in the bowl game.
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Ertz still looks like crap.
10-17 on 3rd down and rushed for 170 yards and a touchdown... Jfc
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Still looks terrible against any decent team and I expect him to get rolled in the bowl game.
It's over stupid, you lost. Jesse Sisco Ertz is the best sophomore quarterback LHC Bill Snyder has ever had as a head coach.
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Ertz still looks like crap.
10-17 on 3rd down and rushed for 170 yards and a touchdown... Jfc
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Still looks terrible against any decent team and I expect him to get rolled in the bowl game.
It's over stupid, you lost. Jesse Sisco Ertz is the best sophomore quarterback LHC Bill Snyder has ever had as a head coach.
Statistically speaking, he's on par with Klein and Ell before their senior years. His numbers, when you account for per play results, are better than Klein. We gained more yards, we scored more, etc. Klein had marginally better passing stats. Ertz is a much, much more effective runner.