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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2016, 08:57:21 AM
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Is it too early to be meaningful?
Yes.
Do I care?
No.
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I always appreciate your stats. Thanks. I see some good things at times. Hoping that translates into wins more often than not.
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The numbers are a bit more normalized after 4 games, but still clearly inflated from the competition. Regardless, there appears to be some scoring punch with solid shooting and decent rebounding from the top 8. We'll see if Maurice stays as the regular 8th guy, but it appears that is his spot to lose. Judging by the fact that Budke actually came in after some of the other JV players last night, I don't think we'll see him make the chart (or the top 8) this season.
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Shooting stands out through 4 games, but its a tiny sample size. The numbers are about right considering the compeitition so far. If anything we've performed about where expected considering our kenpom is about where it was to start the season. We should handle Boston College (still one of the worst P5 schools in the country) and hopefully a game against Maryland will give us a decent measure of where this team stands.
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It's showing X with no steals. Can that be right?
If those stats continue to hold, they will feed a more minutes of X, fewer for Wade argument.
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It's showing X with no steals. Can that be right?
If those stats continue to hold, they will feed a more minutes of X, fewer for Wade argument.
1 steal. It's .77 per 100 possessions.
Yes, they will split time if X plays the 4 a lot.
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4 games in, I really like that.....Everyone of our Top 8 has a eFG% of 50.0 or higher
Those 8 guys only are shooting 62% from the FT line. With 3 guards, 2 small forwards, a big man who shoots FT well, and 2 PF who can make 3s.....there is no excuse for those 8 not to be 71-73% combined
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6 games is 1/5 of the season, but with 3 of those being >300 in kenpom, the numbers are skewed. Granted, in the 2nd half of both games at the Barclays, the offense was really good. There still is a chance for this team to be pretty decent, especially with solid play from our seniors and sophomore guards, but I've been conditioned to lose close games. Until I see otherwise, that is the expectation that I have for this program.
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DJamer is picking up where he left off last year as probably the best player on this team. Westicles is playing really well also, and both Brown and Stokes have had solid moments. Sneed is going to be good, but an absolute no show against Maryland is a mild concern.If Wade isn't going to score, then he needs to be much better in the other stats categories. Maurice can give a solid 10 minutes per game off the bench. Irvin is a role bench guard, it would be nice to see Patrick or some other guard step up and take that over.
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Roughly 1/4 of the way through the season and the picture of what this team is going to be is starting to come together. 1st, the shooting is still nearly 40% from 3 and 55% from 2. I don't expect that to be maintained throughout Big 12 play, but clearly this is a much improved shooting team and probably could be oscar's best shooting team at K-State. Defensively, have also been very good so far.
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The top 7 is very solid. That's fine to run with as long as you avoid injuries and foul trouble. An 8th guy will still have to be there and it looks like Williams and Maurice will continue to battle for that spot. Stokes and Wade are both capable of scoring at a higher rate, one or the other hopefully will move into the 20s before Big 12 play starts.
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Improvement Chart:
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It was nice having Smoller on the call.
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Not sure where else to put this
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Wesley-Westicles-Shooting-Mechanics-Analysis-2015-2016-to-2016-2017-5728
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If this team had another DJamer my faith in improvement of this team would increase 100%. Not having another good equitable big like him is going to wreck us in too many games.
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If this team had another DJamer my faith in improvement of this team would increase 100%. Not having another good equitable big like him is going to wreck us in too many games.
Yes, we'll have to rely on going small with Wade/Sneed or maybe even Westicles guarding a 4. Maurice or Williams will spot us, but each is ready for maybe 1-3 solid games, otherwise maybe 5-8 minutes tops. They will need to develop in a big way for next year.
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oscar's creed: go small or go home
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the shooting is still nearly 40% from 3 and 55% from 2. I don't expect that to be maintained throughout Big 12 play, but clearly this is a much improved shooting team and probably could be oscar's best shooting team at K-State.
i haven't checked to see what weber's best shooting kstate team has been, but i think it is pretty unlikely that this is a much better than average team from 3. their past %s and ft %s don't support that.
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
That's such a stupid comparison. Are there only five football players on the field at once?
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
That's such a stupid comparison. Are there only five football players on the field at once?
I've also never seen a running back get in foul trouble.
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:lol:
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
Put in dimel
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
That's such a stupid comparison. Are there only five football players on the field at once?
The comparison is stupid because of 5 v 11???
Bwahaaaaha
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
That's such a stupid comparison. Are there only five football players on the field at once?
The comparison is stupid because of 5 v 11???
Bwahaaaaha
i look fwd to your comments when djamer is called for 2 early fouls in afh and maurice plays 20 mins.
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Ku's bigs got dominated by that clown from stanford, and they still won by 20. Quality post depth is something like 5 teams in the whole country have. There are 5 teams in the big12 that don't even have 1 big who can score.
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Almost nobody plays with more than 1 big on the floor.
Do you guys worry about kstate not having quality depth at the tailback and halfback position?
That's such a stupid comparison. Are there only five football players on the field at once?
The comparison is stupid because of 5 v 11???
Bwahaaaaha
i look fwd to your comments when djamer is called for 2 early fouls in afh and maurice plays 20 mins.
I have it on good authority that we are saving Budke with Festus sitting on his shoulders for conference season
edit: "Festus" lol! that was Winter
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The (almost) final OOC numbers.
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Mostly good, but worthy of an asterisk because of perhaps the worst OOC schedule ever for K-State. The Cats did manage to have zero close games besides the last minute choke against the only decent team we played. We'll see if that success translates to a Big 12 filled with a bunch of decent to good teams.
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oscar has a legit 7 deep with solid guards, great shooting, and a legit Big 12 inside presence. Depth is an issue, plus we need to see if this shooting and decent TO% translates to Big 12 play.
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:thumbs:
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The (almost) final OOC numbers.
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Mostly good, but worthy of an asterisk because of perhaps the worst OOC schedule ever for K-State. The Cats did manage to have zero close games besides the last minute choke against the only decent team we played. We'll see if that success translates to a Big 12 filled with a bunch of decent to good teams.
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oscar has a legit 7 deep with solid guards, great shooting, and a legit Big 12 inside presence. Depth is an issue, plus we need to see if this shooting and decent TO% translates to Big 12 play.
Could we add Brain Patrick? He is the guy to watch join the rotation when the team needs shooting. During the school break it will be interning if they can get him more up to speed.
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brown and iwu are back where they belong. brown may be a little low now, actually. wade is the only remaining outlier.
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Fair enough.
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Brown is in a horrid shooting slump, he'll bounce back. Kam has heated up. Wade is a pure shooter who rarely had to take contested j's. He has fire lit under his ass on the boards. He's going to have a great conf season. If I could change anything about Westicles it would be the 5 lazy/careless passes he makes a game.
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Westicles has been really good in conference so far. If Wade has taken a step forward and flush gets it going again. This team will get in the tournament easily.
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I don't like oscar because he can't consistently lead a team, but when a group of players buys in he does some really good things with them, he also does a good job finding ditr. This guy would probably be a fabulous assistant coach.
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Its way early, but here is the Big 12 after 2 games.
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Its weird to see OU with the worst offense in the league and KU with one of the worst defenses.
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Just 2 games, but FT shooting & FTR are great. 2pt FG are solid. 3pt about 7-9% lower than I would like to see. Our TO forced, steals, and the our own TOs.... All very nice
That first half on defense the other night was not pretty. The other 3 halves we played have been pretty good.
We got 3 home (Ou, Baylor, WV) and 3 road ( Tech, OkSt, Isu) as far as Conf Games to go the rest of this month. Really need to go 4-2. We have that Tennessee game to end the month but we could be 6-3 at the halfway point after the Tcu on Feb 1
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Updated per 100 numbers with improvement chart for returners.
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Note the improved shooting and A:TO numbers for nearly everyone that work well with the oscar Winning Factors.
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sys seems to have nailed Barry. Now 6-29 (.207) in his last 6 games. Ouch.
Wade's play continues to impress.
DJamer continues to struggle in Big 12 play compared to his season stats.
Stokes is shooting well, yet he had two big misses (FT, runner) in the last couple of minutes. His 2PT% is awful.
Sneed will be fine, but his production (scoring) has dropped considerably.
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Sneed will be fine, but his production (scoring) has dropped considerably.
i don't think sneed has the handle he needs to have. defenses can get up and ride him to take away his shot because there's not much he can do about it at this point in his career.
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sys seems to have nailed Barry. Now 6-29 (.207) in his last 6 games. Ouch.
Wade's play continues to impress.
DJamer continues to struggle in Big 12 play compared to his season stats.
Stokes is shooting well, yet he had two big misses (FT, runner) in the last couple of minutes. His 2PT% is awful.
Sneed will be fine, but his production (scoring) has dropped considerably.
6-29 and that counts the unguarded 3 he made at buzzer. Hope this is a bad phase and not Conference long trend.
Dean 16-21 2pt + over 40% on 3pt, and team lead 62 pts in 4 B12 games. Nice
DJamer in B12 -- under 50% FG. 18 Reb to 13 TO is not a good ratio
Kam double digits each B12 game. Over 50% 3pt too. Still at times has some TO issues.
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Sneed will be fine, but his production (scoring) has dropped considerably.
i don't think sneed has the handle he needs to have. defenses can get up and ride him to take away his shot because there's not much he can do about it at this point in his career.
He'd be great offensively as a four but he'd probably get bullied on the other end.
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In league play, offense has been comparable to the season stats, defense is where the slip has occurred. If defense can get fixed, we won't have to worry about finishing close games.
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I know that 3pt% defense isn't something that's monitored or really thought of as something we have a lot of control over... But 4 games down, we are allowing 42.4%. That can't happen. 2 less makes per game and it's at 30.3 & 1.5 less makes per game and we give up 33.3%. Low 30s on made % is acceptable from my standpoint. But 42.4 on 3pt and 52.4 on 2pt is a problem right now, and the main problem.
Now the 31% 3PA is fine. And our Opp are only getting 17.0% of their pts from the FT line, which is good. We have 25.3% of our pts from the FT line.
Us forcing 22.8 on TO and us getting 69.2 of the Defensive Rebounds are #s that I hope we can maintain throughout the rest of B12 play.
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In league play, offense has been comparable to the season stats, defense is where the slip has occurred.
i think this is pretty typical (maybe not the magnitude, but the effect) for all big 12 teams noncon v con games. also, kstate's noncon schedule is rated 325th in offense, 144th in defense.
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In league play, offense has been comparable to the season stats, defense is where the slip has occurred.
i think this is pretty typical (maybe not the magnitude, but the effect) for all big 12 teams noncon v con games. also, kstate's noncon schedule is rated 325th in offense, 144th in defense.
For sure. I think Ksu allowing 0.85 PPP & 43.1 eFG in the non con was a good showing, but no doubt we didn't face a good collection of offenses.
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The defensive stats are weird. I don't think the defensive eFG% reflects the quality of shots we have given up. I don't think we have been bad. But 55.7% is awful, on the other hand the rest of our defense stats are pretty good, TO%, dreb% and FTA/FGA. FTA/FGA was great before the Tech debacle.
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I'm thinking teams probs aren't gonna keep hitting 40%+ from 3 against us, and we'll start hitting at a marginally higher % and some crap will straighten out.
We can't rough ridin' throw away possessions on offense and gift them on defense (oboards) like we did against Baylor, or we won't beat anyone.
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I'm thinking teams probs aren't gonna keep hitting 40%+ from 3 against us, and we'll start hitting at a marginally higher % and some crap will straighten out.
We can't rough ridin' throw away possessions on offense and gift them on defense (oboards) like we did against Baylor, or we won't beat anyone.
We are getting beat of the bounce too much in iso and giving up quality shots. Still have to play Morris, Evans twice. It will improve, but we must improve.
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Maurice boarded and disrupted shots when he was in yesterday. I'd like to see more of him when DJamer isnt in or isnt playing well.
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I'm thinking teams probs aren't gonna keep hitting 40%+ from 3 against us, and we'll start hitting at a marginally higher % and some crap will straighten out.
We can't rough ridin' throw away possessions on offense and gift them on defense (oboards) like we did against Baylor, or we won't beat anyone.
We are getting beat of the bounce too much in iso and giving up quality shots. Still have to play Morris, Evans twice. It will improve, but we must improve.
Baylor's guards couldn't hit the % they hit yesterday in a shoot around, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to look it up, but I'd bet they've had games where they had fewer 3pa than they made yesterday.
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I'm thinking teams probs aren't gonna keep hitting 40%+ from 3 against us, and we'll start hitting at a marginally higher % and some crap will straighten out.
We can't rough ridin' throw away possessions on offense and gift them on defense (oboards) like we did against Baylor, or we won't beat anyone.
We are getting beat of the bounce too much in iso and giving up quality shots. Still have to play Morris, Evans twice. It will improve, but we must improve.
Baylor's guards couldn't hit the % they hit yesterday in a shoot around, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to look it up, but I'd bet they've had games where they had fewer 3pa than they made yesterday.
our perimeter defense is embarrassingly bad, how can you not see that?
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I'm thinking teams probs aren't gonna keep hitting 40%+ from 3 against us, and we'll start hitting at a marginally higher % and some crap will straighten out.
We can't rough ridin' throw away possessions on offense and gift them on defense (oboards) like we did against Baylor, or we won't beat anyone.
We are getting beat of the bounce too much in iso and giving up quality shots. Still have to play Morris, Evans twice. It will improve, but we must improve.
Baylor's guards couldn't hit the % they hit yesterday in a shoot around, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to look it up, but I'd bet they've had games where they had fewer 3pa than they made yesterday.
our perimeter defense is embarrassingly bad, how can you not see that?
Bro, we're 336th in luck, it's right there on kenpom.com. 43% is stupid absurd lucky 3pt%.
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I'm thinking teams probs aren't gonna keep hitting 40%+ from 3 against us, and we'll start hitting at a marginally higher % and some crap will straighten out.
We can't rough ridin' throw away possessions on offense and gift them on defense (oboards) like we did against Baylor, or we won't beat anyone.
We are getting beat of the bounce too much in iso and giving up quality shots. Still have to play Morris, Evans twice. It will improve, but we must improve.
Baylor's guards couldn't hit the % they hit yesterday in a shoot around, is what I'm saying. I'm not going to look it up, but I'd bet they've had games where they had fewer 3pa than they made yesterday.
our perimeter defense is embarrassingly bad, how can you not see that?
Bro, we're 336th in luck, it's right there on kenpom.com. 43% is stupid absurd lucky 3pt%.
That doesn't have anything to do with kenpoms luck. But yea our defensive 3% is not sustainable.
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1/3 of the way done with B12 season.
55.6 2pt%, 37.6 3pt%, 77.7 FT%, and + 4.6 on TO% Differ. All great things this team is doing.
Defense, the 49.5 2pt% and 35 OR% allowed are a bit higher than ideal, but 45.3 on 3pt% continues to be a big issue. Last 4 years, Weber teams have allowed 33.1% (3 of 4 years were below 34.0). Last 4, ave was 48.9 on 2pt.
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As I mentioned in the Big 12 thread, this is some of the best shooting a K-State team has ever seen. In the 3PT era for K-State basketball; best 2PT%, 5th best 3PT%, and best eFG%. Granted, things can change with a lot of Big 12 games left, but that's still pretty impressive. oscar and his staff have developed individual players and an offensive philosophy of sharing the ball (62% assist rate) to get good shots.
That said, the defensive issues in the Big 12 are still a problem. If this team was defending similar to regular oscar coached teams (namely eFG%, 3PT% defense, and dboarding) then they'd probably be a 1 loss Big 12 team (or better) and in the conversation to compete with KU for the league title.
Individually the balance of scoring, especially from the top 6 players, is impressive.
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I think our 3pt defense has been better the last two games. Just haven't been lucky.
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Yep FAN, our 5 starters have 95,93,92,92,87 pts in the 7 league games. Great balance.
Stokes has double figures in his last 9 games. Ave 5.3 Ast to go along with 13.6 Pts in B12 play
Starting bigs shooting 63.6 FG% ( 69.3 eFG) in the 7 games. Maurice 5-6 on FGs too.
Barry getting his shooting touch back. 56% on 2pt, 41% on 3pt his last 6 games
I've been too hard on Wes of late. His 17 Reb and 11 Ast were big in the 2 wins this week.
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I think our 3pt defense has been better the last two games. Just haven't been lucky.
You can control your three point defense "luck" to an extent by guarding shooters. I paid attention to this last night because I don't really buy in to this lottery thing. They hit one guarded three and one that was about three feet beyond the arc. In this day and age of college basketball most players have three or four guys on the floor capable of hitting open three pointers.
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Wvu shot less than 40% from 3, fyi
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Wvu shot less than 40% from 3, fyi
38% isn't great
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Team stats for our 10 games vs Top 100 opponents.
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1) Defense just isn't good enough. Poor vs eFG% and OR% in particular.
2) 1st half reflects our problems in the last 2 games. Some games we've had enough offense to stay in it, but too many others we haven't.
3) The line between winning and losing is very fine. -4 point differential over 678 possessions. We could have easily flipped our 4-6 record in those games with some better stretches of basketball. Close isn't good enough though, wins matter.
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In games against top 50 opponents away from Bramlage (Mary, KU, Tech, OSU, ISU, Tenn), K-State's offense has been really good.
But the defense has been really bad, especially in the first half. Its really hard to make up for allowing 1.24 points per possession over 200 possessions.
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in those 6 first games at top 50 teams.... We are allowing 12 3PA in the 1st half alone and hitting 48%.
So a 3PA on 35% of 1st half Possessions. Almost 18 pts on average from 3pt in just one half. Not good.
Our 60% FT shooting (42-70) last 3 games is a bad funk we need to straighten out right now too.
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5 returners are playing significant roles. Are they better?
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I'd say for the most part, yes.
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Yep, Shooting and the Ast/TO numbers good improvement. OR across the board worse
Pleasantly surprise stat is Ervin rebounding ability.
Stats that I knew but still happy with imorovement in 16-17 are Wade eFG, Brown steals, Wes DR
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Stokes now 14.3 Pts, 5.1 Ast in B12 games with 43% 3pt & 79% FT. Like those numbers a lot. I just wish he would not take or be forced into taking so many driving shots/lay ups in half court.
60% FT shooting the last 5 games. It's been a huge issue late in the past 4 games. DJamer slumping to a 11-27 skid. Wes just 21 of last 35.
7 of our 10 Conference games, we have forced between 24.4-30.6 on TO%. We are almost at 25.0 in B12 games. Such an asset when teams can only score on 3/4 of their Poss.
Last 5 conference games, we have held Opp. to 42.9% on 2pt. That's Baylor good. 47.2% counting all B12 games. Our lousy 3pt D gets talked about a lot but this 2pt D is almost as impressive as TO%
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sys nailed the The Flush regression to his mean.
Stokes needs to quit shooting 2s.
Wade has been pretty good in Big 12 play.
Maurice's per 100s aren't terrible.
Wes has missed an incredible amount of key FTs for being a 70% FT shooter.
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sys nailed the The Flush regression to his mean.
wade has failed to regress, however. if i had to call his failure anything other than random chance, i'd say he's been a little more discriminating in shot selection. like most three-shooting bigs, he needs his feet under him and his momentum controlled. brown, for good or for ill, has a lower threshold for what he considers a good shot.
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Brown has really struggled the past 5 games(4 B12 plus Tenn). He is 5-20 on 3pt, 13-36 on 2pt, with 12 TOs. And has attempted only 4 FTs
The first 7 conference gms, 4 of them he was above 57% on eFg and 1 game right at 50%. Also only 7 TOs and 12-18 on FTs. 53% shooting in those 7 gms, 35% 3pt
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It's pretty clear Wes isn't confident at the line late and close.
Maurice's per 100 stats aren't an endorsement for more tick, that's obviously going to decrease with more time and his defense is tragic. At this point moving Wade to the five when DJamer needs a breather is a better option.
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The The Flush shooting regression continues. oscar's job may ride on him finding his shot in the last 6 games.
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Brown's shooting issues make me very sad
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Brown is the worst shooter and basically tied for most minutes in conference play. I guess he's OK at creating TO's and taking care of the ball, at least.
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Brown is the worst shooter and basically tied for most minutes in conference play. I guess he's OK at creating TO's and taking care of the ball, at least.
I'm assuming if Diarra was able to play this year that he would've taken some of Brown's minutes. Ervin can only play so much, so he's not going to take more than he already has. And oscar has been unwilling to play a combination of Stokes, Wes, Sneed, Wade, and DJamer which I think could have been an answer with Brown's shooting struggles.
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brown is a good player. he's not playing too much, maybe shooting a little too much. which is the rest of the team's fault.
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Brown is the worst shooter and basically tied for most minutes in conference play. I guess he's OK at creating TO's and taking care of the ball, at least.
He was. 7 TOs in the first 7 B12 games. But in our last 6 games overall, he has 15 TOs.
Poor shooting and 2.5 TOs per.....he is killing our offense.
There is really no reason he can't sit 4 minutes each half. 32 minutes a game is plenty.
I'd rather see Wes or Patrick at the 2 when Brown is on the bench.
His a valuable player on D, but we don't need him 36-38 minutes
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Brown is the worst shooter and basically tied for most minutes in conference play. I guess he's OK at creating TO's and taking care of the ball, at least.
He was. 7 TOs in the first 7 B12 games. But in our last 6 games overall, he has 15 TOs.
Poor shooting and 2.5 TOs per.....he is killing our offense.
There is really no reason he can't sit 4 minutes each half. 32 minutes a game is plenty.
I'd rather see Wes or Patrick at the 2 when Brown is on the bench.
His a valuable player on D, but we don't need him 36-38 minutes
Please.tell oscar. In about how to get Sneeded and Swampthing some.more minutes. Flush might do better a little more rested. Seems like we are having the sophomore slumps. We kind of forget how young this team is.
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brown is a good player. he's not playing too much, maybe shooting a little too much. which is the rest of the team's fault.
He's an average at best Big 12 combo. About like Stokes.
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He's an average at best Big 12 combo. About like Stokes.
his defense makes him more valuable than stokes. i agree that he's very average for a starting big 12 guard.
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He's an average at best Big 12 combo. About like Stokes.
his defense makes him more valuable than stokes. i agree that he's very average for a starting big 12 guard.
The Flush is the worst defender in the b12 but other than that, i agree with sys
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He's an average at best Big 12 combo. About like Stokes.
his defense makes him more valuable than stokes. i agree that he's very average for a starting big 12 guard.
The Flush is the worst defender in the b12 but other than that, i agree with sys
Only Carter of WV has a better steals per game on the season. And Brown has the 2nd most steals in B12 games. That right there makes the "worst defender" statement pretty dumb. Steals are part of being a Defender.
Brown isn't a tremendous on ball defender but he's far from being bad either.
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He's an average at best Big 12 combo. About like Stokes.
his defense makes him more valuable than stokes. i agree that he's very average for a starting big 12 guard.
The Flush is the worst defender in the b12 but other than that, i agree with sys
Only Carter of WV has a better steals per game on the season. And Brown has the 2nd most steals in B12 games. That right there makes the "worst defender" statement pretty dumb. Steals are part of being a Defender.
Brown isn't a tremendous on ball defender but he's far from being bad either.
steals are the smallest part of playing defense, he's absolutely terrible on ball and in transition
i would guarantee you that you can play better defense than The Flush
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oscar hinted earlier in the year that he wants to rebuild Browns shots. It is holding him back. I also think he is more of a slasher than combo. He would benefit from getting to the line more if he could knock them down. His shooting numbers are about the same as last year.
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Patrick seems to be enjoying his sharpshooter role.
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Patrick 22 pts on 9 FGAs last 3 gms. :horrorsurprise:
I love Sneed...But last 5 gms, just 21 pts, 30% eFG on 25 shots. Only 9 Reb in 93 minutes.
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Same chart, but I finally got around to adding a percentage of shots column in the shooting stats. Only accounts for possessions/shots when players are in the game.
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Maybe some day I'll get to individual offensive rating in these things, but the formula(s) for that are crazy.
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Brown has to be near the top in terms of steals converted to dunks for 5' 11" PGs in the Big XII
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I decided to tackle Dean Oliver's individual offensive efficiency/ratings formula. (http://statitudes.com/toolbox/individual-offensive-and-defensive-ratings/). The results end up slightly different from kenpom's.
Offensive rating now included after Min% in the charts:
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Here's an updated chart on winning factors for oscar teams when it comes to the NCAA tournament.
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The usual 3PT% calling card for oscar is being offset by the terrible 3PT defense this year.
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Updated per 100s, now with percentage of possessions used and offensive rating.
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Guards are naturally going to have a higher usage rate, but the offensive rating compared to %Poss is notable. Especially considering our best offensive player on paper is used 5th most on the team for both the season and Big 12 play. Yes Wade needs to be more aggressive, but a lot falls on oscar and not running more offense through him.
Also, Stokes/Brown simply haven't been very good in Big 12 play considering their usage amounts. Besides the terrible defense, those 2 play a large part in our mediocre Big 12 season.
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Kam shoots the 3pt pretty good (even that has dropped off though.)He's like 34% last 7 games or so. He also has shot FTs really well in B12 play. He doesn't do anything else well. Way too many unforced TOs because he is trying to make a play or fancy pass. And he is terrible at finishing inside 5 feet when he drives.
Brown is really good at getting steals & deflections. I think he is an above average defender, but probably could be a lock down defender if he put the effort/focus into it. When Brown shoots a 3pt or long 2pt, I just never feel it's going in. He shot well for most of non con, but B12 has been another story. He also takes off too far away on his breakaway layups. He missed a layup the other night because of this. He has to learn how to get all the way to the rim, use his body to shield defender, and still make the layup.
Those 2 being bad on eFG and TOs have really hurt our O which has seen us only get 0.98 PPP the last 9 gms.
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Wade needs to be more aggressive, but a lot falls on oscar and not running more offense through him.
keep in mind that the other players steal a lot of wade's points, assists and rebounds. for example, Wes's numbers are good exactly for the reason I just mentioned.
Over and over in a game you will see Dean work his tail off in a game and box out and Wes run right next to Dean and get the rebound. It doesn't really bother me game wise because stats don't reflect who does the work on the boards. On offensive rebounds it's rather hard to get a rebound when you are asked to play 25 feet from the rim. In practice we do a rebounding drill where all 5 box out and we demand that the ball hits the floor while we maintain the box out. Great drill and if done in a game will lead to 0 offensive rebounds for the other team.
If you want I'm sure Dean could get 10 boards a game. Just tell him don't box out, just try to get the rebound wherever you happen to be on the floor. That would lead to getting massacred in the Big 12 on the offensive boards. The bigs in the league have to be boxed out. The guards not quite so important.
Keep track over a few games how many offensive rebounds we give up in a game in the time when Dean is out compared to when he is in. Unfortunately boxing out is not a stat but it's much more significant than who gets the credit for running in and catching the easy rebound.
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Weird use of caps sys.
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Weird use of caps sys.
Civilized.
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Weird use of caps sys.
i'm in an odd mood.
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Ku plays 4 Guard/SF so Lucas is only big most of time. He is getting a DR about every 4.7 min on the year
Motley for Baylor starts along side a 7 footer and he ave a DR about every 4.8 min on the year
Both these bigs have different circumstances with their starting lineup and both are good Reb and good DR
DJamer is at a DR every 7.1 and Wade every 9.1 minutes on the year. Wes is our best DR on the year and there are times what you have said is true. However KU and Baylor bigs also have to block out bigs and they Rebound well
Wes has a slightly better DR rate than Josh Jackson (1 every 6.0 compared to 1 every 6.5 min). If you watched Jackson, he doesn't block out alot and plays similar to Wes when D-Rebounding
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Any per minute stat is a bad one IMO.
I can do per 100s for any of these teams if you want so we can get a good comparison.
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Any per minute stat is a bad one IMO.
I can do per 100s for any of these teams if you want so we can get a good comparison.
Yeah, I know per minute isn't ideal since teams have different Poss per game average. Off of this, it shows 2 good DR in Motley/Lucas are noticably better than an Average Rebounder in DJamer and a below Ave Reb like Dean
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The OU game numbers are ridiculous, especially Bullnuts putting up Beasley like numbers in his 9 minutes.
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Ervin is better DR than DJamer
Barry is better DR than Wade
Maurice gets more DR than DJamer/Dean combined, per 100
Sneed is worse than all those guys (playing alot at the 4)
* all stats from big 12 games
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Here are your current per 100s (season stats) for all Big 12 teams.
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I know most don't care any more (and haven't for a long time), but the Claws issue with this team is worth discussing.
Many have made the correlation that when Wade plays well, so do the Cats. For the most part that is true; in kenpom top 100 games we are 7-5 when Wade has an offensive rating of 100 (or 1.00) or better. When he's worse than 100 the Cats are 1-7.
Its notable that Wade leads the team in offensive rating for the season and in Big 12 play (I'm not sure why my ORtg numbers is slightly different than kenpom's, but its still correlates). He's shot it really well from 2 and from 3 and leads the team (among those that play a lot) in eFG% in Big 12 play. However, he's 5th on the team in possessions used and 4th in percentage of shots taken when he's on the floor. Obviously some of that is on him, we've talked about him passing up shots and not being aggressive, but some of it also falls on oscar. More offense needed to run for or through Wade and maybe if oscar had found a way to do that this team wouldn't be on the bubble.
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DJamer isn't a great passer from the post, but Dean does a decent job IMO. He doesn't get doubled much but when he makes a move and dribbles toward the basket,the help D does converge and we could have someone spotting up or guys relocating as he does. This is just 1 way we could get more open shots.
Dean himself needs to square up more and knock down 12-15 footers. He's one of the few guys (hopefully Sneed eventually can) that has the ability to shoot that shot. Nino was great at it when he was here and Dean has 5 inches on Nino. I know Maurice can also hit that 15 foot baseline shot, but Dean has the ability to get his shot off just about whenever he wants
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no one on the team should take 12-15 footers.
I agree Wade needs to be a bigger part of the offense. He hesitates way too much and is pretty good when he makes a decision on the catch. FWN, you mentioned the Cats record when his OR is high, what about his usage game-to-game?
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Poss% is pretty random for win-loss.
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DJamer isn't a great passer from the post, but Dean does a decent job IMO. He doesn't get doubled much but when he makes a move and dribbles toward the basket,the help D does converge and we could have someone spotting up or guys relocating as he does. This is just 1 way we could get more open shots.
Dean himself needs to square up more and knock down 12-15 footers. He's one of the few guys (hopefully Sneed eventually can) that has the ability to shoot that shot. Nino was great at it when he was here and Dean has 5 inches on Nino. I know Maurice can also hit that 15 foot baseline shot, but Dean has the ability to get his shot off just about whenever he wants
He needs to work from the 8-10 foot range. Where he can one dribble to the hoop.
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Final per 100s and shootings stats. Different charts for full season, Big 12 only, and non con only stats.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6KenfQVAAItOv8.png:large)
Wade, Wes and DJamer were extremely consistent players.
Barry, Stokes, and especially Sneed had significant drop offs in Big 12 play.
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Maybe you've said in another thread, but where do you get your stats _FAN? Do you just use excel for collating everything?
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Maybe you've said in another thread, but where do you get your stats _FAN? Do you just use excel for collating everything?
I just pull the season box score stats from ESPN and use excel to tabulate results. The offensive rating sheet is pretty ridiculous, but I'm weird enough that I enjoyed figuring it out.
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Maybe you've said in another thread, but where do you get your stats _FAN? Do you just use excel for collating everything?
I just pull the season box score stats from ESPN and use excel to tabulate results. The offensive rating sheet is pretty ridiculous, but I'm weird enough that I enjoyed figuring it out.
Gotcha. I'm thinking about writing something to do baseball stats, so I was just curious.
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Brown and Stokes 50% and 51% shooting in non con. 44% and 42% in league play
DJamer saw his DR drop by over 50% in B12 games (11.52 vs 5.67)
Stokes and Wes 2 more TOs per 100 in B12
In B12 games, Ervin 100% FT, and only Brown was a disappointing FT shooter (60%) among our top 6 players. Other 5 were between 68-82%
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Advanced stats through the years; scoring/offense continue to improve since the rules changes from a couple years ago.
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