goemaw.com

General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: _33 on November 12, 2016, 12:23:16 PM

Title: RIP Moderatism
Post by: _33 on November 12, 2016, 12:23:16 PM
Killed by extreme liberalism and conservatism alike.  Remember when the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and many claimed that by doing so we were actually creating more terrorists than we were killing.  The idea was that we were actually radicalizing the middle east as we attempted to combat radicalization in the middle east.  Well now that's happening in American politics.  Both sides are dehumanizing the other with terrible insults and in doing so pushing more and more people out of the middle and onto the extremes.  If only everyone would shut up and calm down.  Sucks that it won't happen.
Title: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Tobias on November 12, 2016, 12:27:45 PM
we still have sd and dougie at least
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2016, 12:40:41 PM
I don't think calling the president a racist makes his supporters more racist.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: _33 on November 12, 2016, 12:42:46 PM
I don't think calling the president a racist makes his supporters more racist.

I don't either.  But why did you say this?
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
I don't think calling the president a racist makes his supporters more racist.

I don't either.  But why did you say this?
What "terrible dehumanizing insults" are you referring to?
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: _33 on November 12, 2016, 01:00:14 PM
I mean, just, come on.  Why?  I made a good point.  Why can't you just say "good point _33, very insightful" and move on?  Dammit michigancat.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CHONGS on November 12, 2016, 01:10:09 PM
Very dehumanizing
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CNS on November 12, 2016, 01:44:05 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2016, 01:51:13 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 12, 2016, 02:35:04 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

Agreed, the past 8 years has put enormous strain on the discourse in this country. Hopefully trump can begin to mend that. A lot of that will depend on the left.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CNS on November 12, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

It took the former to give us the latter
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 12, 2016, 07:30:05 PM
"We will bring them to heal", Some entitled white chick talking about black people
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

It took the former to give us the latter


I mean, Jesse Ventura was a governor without social media
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CNS on November 12, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
The OP was about the end of moderates, not just crazy weirdos being elected.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: michigancat on November 12, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
The OP was about the end of moderates, not just crazy weirdos being elected.
Oh, well, we haven't seen the end of moderates. Obama is incredibly moderate and wildly popular.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Bloodfart on November 12, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
I consider myself a moderate 33.  I've spent the last few days consoling lib fb friends and reassuring them that they'll be ok.  Ugh V tiring.  My Aunt (retired history prof., feminist leader, & Hillary rally organizer) who lives in Grand Rapids, MI has reached out to me to talk about national politics and how to begin healing the divides rather than making them deeper.  I think a shift toward moderateizm would do that.  Should be an interesting discussion p excited about it actually.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2016, 01:46:13 AM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

Agreed, the past 8 years has put enormous strain on the discourse in this country. Hopefully trump can begin to mend that. A lot of that will depend on the left.

Well, the coon will soon be gone so racists like you can stop blaming him for your fellow crackers being all angsty about having to listen to the thoughts and opinions of a darkie.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2016, 01:50:50 AM
"We will bring them to heal", Some entitled white chick talking about black people

You type this a lot and it's hilarious to me every single time.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Phil Titola on November 13, 2016, 08:15:53 AM
These extremists could also have people moving back more moderate as they see extreme views either way don't get crap done
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2016, 09:55:30 AM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

Agreed, the past 8 years has put enormous strain on the discourse in this country. Hopefully trump can begin to mend that. A lot of that will depend on the left.

Well, the coon will soon be gone so racists like you can stop blaming him for your fellow crackers being all angsty about having to listen to the thoughts and opinions of a darkie.

Nothing is ever his fault, is it?

Thanks for all 3 branches of government, obama!  :lol:
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
These extremists could also have people moving back more moderate as they see extreme views either way don't get crap done

Well, the extremists have the presidency, house, and senate, so I would expect them to get some stuff done.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 13, 2016, 10:31:21 AM
Lib's Define Extremism:  Anyone who sorta disagrees with their views a little.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Kat Kid on November 13, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
People saying social media has anything to do with this are LOL.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2016, 01:02:12 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

Agreed, the past 8 years has put enormous strain on the discourse in this country. Hopefully trump can begin to mend that. A lot of that will depend on the left.

Well, the coon will soon be gone so racists like you can stop blaming him for your fellow crackers being all angsty about having to listen to the thoughts and opinions of a darkie.

Nothing is ever his fault, is it?

Thanks for all 3 branches of government, obama!  :lol:

I know you are averse to reading so you may not know that I blame him for a lot. It clearly isn't his fault that white people behave like they do towards him and whatever the state of race relations are in this country has nothing to do with him either, for better or worse.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2016, 02:05:27 PM
Social media is a big part of this, if not most of it

I think electing a bigoted sexist bully reality tv star as President may also be a major factor

Agreed, the past 8 years has put enormous strain on the discourse in this country. Hopefully trump can begin to mend that. A lot of that will depend on the left.

Well, the coon will soon be gone so racists like you can stop blaming him for your fellow crackers being all angsty about having to listen to the thoughts and opinions of a darkie.

Nothing is ever his fault, is it?

Thanks for all 3 branches of government, obama!  :lol:

I know you are averse to reading so you may not know that I blame him for a lot. It clearly isn't his fault that white people behave like they do towards him and whatever the state of race relations are in this country has nothing to do with him either, for better or worse.

"Race relations" suffered tremendously under him, and I can't  think of a single thing "white people" did under during his term to damage "race relations."

I'm sure there's some psuedo-academic irrational talking point about "systemic" or "structural" or "implicit" or "inhetent" racism created by the monothilic cracker that says I'm wrong. Fact is, obama was and is a partisan hack who surrounded himself with radicals and who has always received an enormous pass, largely because he is blackish and a democrat. He made race an issue as often as he could, radicals were emboldened by it, he did nothing to stop them and in fact encouraged them, and here we are today. 
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 13, 2016, 02:08:50 PM
One thing for sure.  Barrack loves to hang with rich white people.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: star seed 7 on November 13, 2016, 02:13:08 PM
yup, it's the black guy's fault
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2016, 02:30:53 PM
I sometimes forget, that in the delusional and psychpathic mind of the libtard, white people are running around beating up minorities, women and gays, clockwork orange style.

Meanwhile, their fearless leaders line their pockets with cash from muslim theocrats, who opress, rape and murder women, gays and pretty much anyone who isn't in their religion.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 13, 2016, 02:44:49 PM
Hillary really loved the guys who throw bound gay people off of 5 story buildings on to concrete slabs.  Took millions of their dollars. 
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Phil Titola on November 13, 2016, 04:04:33 PM
Lib's Define Extremism:  Anyone who sorta disagrees with their views a little.

Agreed...i don't think the same extreme view is the majority in any of the branches honestly.  Some of DJT's opinions aren't even right leaning.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CNS on November 13, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
People saying social media has anything to do with this are LOL.

Anecdotal for sure, but lots of ppl I know irl would never say the stuff they are saying on Facebook when in person.  It def seems to be providing a battleground for a ramped up argument without the normal filter most would have when discussing such things. 
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
Social media has allowed for mass dissemination of misinformation, right and left. That's not good and obviously contributes extremism. Particularly when you can filter out the misinformation you don't like.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CNS on November 13, 2016, 06:21:00 PM
Not the filter I was talking of
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Phil Titola on November 13, 2016, 08:49:56 PM
Social media has allowed for mass dissemination of misinformation, right and left. That's not good and obviously contributes extremism. Particularly when you can filter out the misinformation you don't like.

it also allows all views to easily find 'friends'....not that those # of people didn't already have those sometimes extreme views but it sure makes it more fun when you find a like minded left/right extreme person.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Bloodfart on November 13, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
They should outlaw every social media cept message boarding.  And then moderators could direct poster to boards that could enlighten misconception posters.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: CNS on November 14, 2016, 05:20:41 AM
Social media seems to be a sacred cow that thrives on bbs hyperbole
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: catastrophe on November 14, 2016, 07:43:09 AM
I think it's probably cyclical like most other things. We're in a climate of ridiculously partisan politics, but I'll bet there will be a return to moderatism in the next 20 years or so. Most younger voters are registered as independent, and many took a third party's bid seriously this election. The soon to be establishment really doesn't like extreme partisan crap.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 14, 2016, 10:11:38 AM
People saying social media has anything to do with this are LOL.

Anecdotal for sure, but lots of ppl I know irl would never say the stuff they are saying on Facebook when in person.  It def seems to be providing a battleground for a ramped up argument without the normal filter most would have when discussing such things.

Also tend to be big echo chambers. 
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2016, 04:21:07 PM
People saying social media has anything to do with this are LOL.

Start at 10:09 https://youtu.be/-rSDUsMwakI
Title: RIP Moderatism
Post by: catastrophe on November 14, 2016, 04:43:39 PM
Some good points, but I think social media's influence on this election was negligible. The irony is that people like John Oliver probably assume based on their own circles and social media that most people agree with him, when the much simpler explanation is that most Americans just don't care who the president is, and among those who care, more legitimately wanted Trump.
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2016, 04:47:58 PM
Some good points, but I think social media's influence on this election was negligible. The irony is that people like John Oliver probably assume based on their own circles and social media that most people agree with him, when the much simpler explanation is that most Americans just don't care who the president is, and among those who care, more legitimately wanted Trump.

Lots of wrong in here
Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2016, 05:13:54 PM
Charter bus drivers play an integral role.

Title: Re: RIP Moderatism
Post by: catastrophe on November 14, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Some good points, but I think social media's influence on this election was negligible. The irony is that people like John Oliver probably assume based on their own circles and social media that most people agree with him, when the much simpler explanation is that most Americans just don't care who the president is, and among those who care, more legitimately wanted Trump.

Lots of wrong in here

Not surprised at all you think this.