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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Kat Kid on October 04, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
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great first episode.
"You're a growing boy!"
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Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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OK, is Ed Harris really a guest? Or are they hiding the fact that he is a rogue host?
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I don't think we know that yet
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I don't think we know that yet
So you agree that is isn't 100% certain that he is a guest?
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i watched this show last night. it is good. i will continue to watch for the time being.
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I agree that the possibility exists that he isn't a guest, but think he probably is.
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OK, is Ed Harris really a guest? Or are they hiding the fact that he is a rogue host?
meh, not that interesting. delores, tho.
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I don't think we know that yet
So you agree that is isn't 100% certain that he is a guest?
I think it is very likely he is a guest, but possible he is a Mr. Smith level host gone rogue. But it would be weird if they hadn't noticed/mentioned that yet.
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I don't think we know that yet
So you agree that is isn't 100% certain that he is a guest?
I think it is very likely he is a guest, but possible he is a Mr. Smith level host gone rogue. But it would be weird if they hadn't noticed/mentioned that yet.
This is the biggest thing imo
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delores, tho.
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I don't think we know that yet
So you agree that is isn't 100% certain that he is a guest?
I think it is very likely he is a guest, but possible he is a Mr. Smith level host gone rogue. But it would be weird if they hadn't noticed/mentioned that yet.
Well the show runners are trying to make you think it is a given that he is a guest, but then sometime later...bam! He is actually a rogue host!
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delores, tho.
She looks very different from when she was in True Blood.
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delores, tho.
She looks very different from when she was in True Blood.
i don't care about some vampire show. the oldest, most-repaired host is going to have some mumped up reveries. ed harris is going to get killed by her midway through the season. he's not that important. :th_twocents:
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I'm excited for next week and we probably get to learn more about the guest experience
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Like wtf was that place that was cold storage and why are the chillers not functioning?
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i think the reverie update taught the programming how to evolve. crap's going to be crazy.
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Like wtf was that place that was cold storage and why are the chillers not functioning?
When the hosts go bad why do they keep them in storage instead of destroying them?
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Like wtf was that place that was cold storage and why are the chillers not functioning?
When the hosts go bad why do they keep them in storage instead of destroying them?
anthony hopkins character is too sentimental.
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I've watched the episode twice and I'm leaning towards Ed Harris being a guest. This reminds me I should go watch the movie because I've only seen it once and that was like 20 years ago. Overall a great cast and I'm looking forward to keeping up with this show.
Also lots of android dongs and hoots and stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
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I am into that stuff Brock
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OK, so Delores swatted a fly at the end....does that mean she is or is not evolving?
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OK, so Delores swatted a fly at the end....does that mean she is or is not evolving?
There were a few points early in the episode where she did not react to flies landing on her. She is evolving.
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OK, so Delores swatted a fly at the end....does that mean she is or is not evolving?
There were a few points early in the episode where she did not react to flies landing on her. She is evolving.
the foreshadowing was really strong:
the opening scene with the fly, the "wouldn't hurt a fly" comment and then the final scene
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OK, so Delores swatted a fly at the end....does that mean she is or is not evolving?
There were a few points early in the episode where she did not react to flies landing on her. She is evolving.
the foreshadowing was really strong:
the opening scene with the fly, the "wouldn't hurt a fly" comment and then the final scene
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:flush:
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:flush:
you are!
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OK, so Delores swatted a fly at the end....does that mean she is or is not evolving?
There were a few points early in the episode where she did not react to flies landing on her. She is evolving.
the foreshadowing was really strong:
the opening scene with the fly, the "wouldn't hurt a fly" comment and then the final scene
Right I got that....but it seemed like some of the ones with a "glitch" were actually trying to evolve. But then those are the ones that won't swat the fly. Was the dad evolving when he was questioning the photo or was that the normal reaction of a host?
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I don't think the hosts are supposed to see anything when they look at modern photos.
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Harris is a guest imo.
Laughed out loud when the dorky guy killed the bandit right before his speech
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I've watched the episode twice and I'm leaning towards Ed Harris being a guest. This reminds me I should go watch the movie because I've only seen it once and that was like 20 years ago. Overall a great cast and I'm looking forward to keeping up with this show.
Also lots of android dongs and hoots and stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
I like Michael Chrichton
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I've watched the episode twice and I'm leaning towards Ed Harris being a guest. This reminds me I should go watch the movie because I've only seen it once and that was like 20 years ago. Overall a great cast and I'm looking forward to keeping up with this show.
Also lots of android dongs and hoots and stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
I like Michael Chrichton
If I watch the movie is that going to ruin/spoil the show?
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I've watched the episode twice and I'm leaning towards Ed Harris being a guest. This reminds me I should go watch the movie because I've only seen it once and that was like 20 years ago. Overall a great cast and I'm looking forward to keeping up with this show.
Also lots of android dongs and hoots and stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
I like Michael Chrichton
If I watch the movie is that going to ruin/spoil the show?
idk
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I've watched the episode twice and I'm leaning towards Ed Harris being a guest. This reminds me I should go watch the movie because I've only seen it once and that was like 20 years ago. Overall a great cast and I'm looking forward to keeping up with this show.
Also lots of android dongs and hoots and stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
I like Michael Chrichton
If I watch the movie is that going to ruin/spoil the show?
idk
In the movie you definitely know whether Ed Harris's character is a guest or a host. That doesn't necessarily mean the show will be 100% faithful to the movie. To me watching the movie again seems like a good idea to get caught back up with the whole concept.
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OK, so the movie has the exact same characters? Is it not just like the same concept or that the show is in the future after the movie?
There was a little bit of a hint of that when they mentioned that there hadn't been an incident in 30 years.
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Maybe the man in black is a special host that has guest privileges or something. They don't do anything about him because he's supposed to be doing whatever he's doing.
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Man in Black is a newcomer/human trying to find out what the creator (Hopkins) is up to. At the end that gives a look ahead at the season the Man in Black says "there is a deeper game here, something that the person that created it wanted to express, something true, and that game cuts deep." How the MIB is getting there without the creators or the people who run the hosts knowing is a question I can't answer right now.
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Orchestral rendition of Paint it Back during the shootout montage was pretty great. Also face getting blown off into a player piano :surprised:
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Orchestral rendition of Paint it Back during the shootout montage was pretty great. Also face getting blown off into a player piano :surprised:
Also blackhole sun
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:don'tcare:
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Should I start watching this or Peaky Blinders?
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Oh wow, Cillian Murphy is in that show? it's added.
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Peaky blinders seasons are six epis so both
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:don'tcare:
would you like to fight?
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:don'tcare:
would you like to fight?
Let's discuss it Saturday over some beers.
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i finally watched episode 1, very good show. i was surprised!
kinda like the matrix + meet joe black + tombstone + young guns 2 + an android phone
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is this a spoilers or no spoilers thread? is there a book? do we ban the old movie watchers? how do I proceed?
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Do whatever you want
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Do whatever you want
but what are THEY going to do to ME ?
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:don'tcare:
would you like to fight?
Let's discuss it Saturday over some beers.
It will have to be through cellular communications devices. I will be in ICT for The Avett Brothers with waks. Thanks for the tickets, ChiCat!
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i finally watched episode 1, very good show. i was surprised!
kinda like the matrix + meet joe black + tombstone + young guns 2 + an android phone
Do whatever you want
but what are THEY going to do to ME ?
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I was just thinking that I should have held them hostage for some new beers. Enjoy!
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So here is the thing about the man in black.....
The rules seem to be that the hosts can't hurt the guests - their programming prevents them from physically doing any harm to the guests (not that bullets can't hurt the guests). The fact that it is only by programming is confirmed when the recovery team wears armor when the programming has potentially gone bad.
BUT THEN the guy (Dolores's boyfriend) is physically able to shoot the man in black, just the bullets don't hurt him. Also we know that hosts can function after getting shot because that one bad guy had milk pouring out of his wound and seemed perfectly fine.
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I was just thinking that I should have held them hostage for some new beers. Enjoy!
Arrangements can be made.
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Chris Nolan said the gun is made so it shoots a different projectile depending on the target but programming does not allow headshots at all, which is why teddy was unable to pull the trigger.
Also the bullets shot at guests are made to sting a little, like a paintball does, to give people a little bit of a "feeling" of getting shot.
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Chris Nolan said the gun is made so it shoots a different projectile depending on the target but programming does not allow headshots at all, which is why teddy was unable to pull the trigger.
Also the bullets shot at guests are made to sting a little, like a paintball does, to give people a little bit of a "feeling" of getting shot.
Well that just ruins my whole theory then.
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Jonathan Nolan, not Chris, sorry
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One episode in and they've already mentioned a half dozen bad engineering controls that allow a possibility of guests being injured.
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Well, that hooked shot the bandit host in the head...
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Well, that hooked shot the bandit host in the head...
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That one is scripted
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Rumblings that ep2 is on hbogo today so they don't compete with the debate Sunday
Already accidentally read a spoiler :frown:
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Yeah it is, everybody has probably already watched it by now
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i finally watched episode 1, very good show. i was surprised!
kinda like the matrix + meet joe black + tombstone + young guns 2 + an android phone
Nails it. Per usual. Jesus, clams is probably an android. Explains A LOT. smh.
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i finally watched episode 1, very good show. i was surprised!
kinda like the matrix + meet joe black + tombstone + young guns 2 + an android phone
Jesus, clams is probably an android.
KK told me some clams stories today which corroborate this notion.
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I had a westworld dream last night
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I haven't watched episode 2 yet, but this show had me hooked.
How would you guys spend your time at West World? Let's assume someone gave you a free trip gift certificate, or you won it at a raffle or something...so you are totally going.
What would you do? Straight talk here, honest, let's get real. I can sincerely tell you that I am unlike the man in black, because I have zero desire to murder a chick's boyfriend and then rape her. In fact, I wouldn't do either of those things, regardless of the order.
Most of what you COULD do in an old west world does not interest me. I suppose I would "do it" (sex,if you know what I mean) with a robot, because hey you only live once, but beyond that it seems like the old west would get boring. All dirty and smelly, and the food would be terrible.
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Pete, the original movie also had Roman world and medieval world. Would that interest you?
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Pete, the original movie also had Roman world and medieval world. Would that interest you?
Ya, those would definitely be better for me.
Roman, then Medieval, then West World in order of preference.
I am really struggling to think of what I would enjoy doing in West World.
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I think I'd go on the treasure hunt with the old man.
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The original movie is on syfy tonight.
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I'd try to find Indians
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I'd try to find Indians
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What would you do when you found them?!? :horrorsurprise:
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after some robot sex i'd do some sight seeing, it looks very beautiful there. i'd shoot some guns and maybe do some defenestration if i got really bored.
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I'd try to find Indians
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What would you do when you found them?!? :horrorsurprise:
Trade some shiny things and try to be friends
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i'd do some sight seeing, it looks very beautiful there.
filmed in Castle Valley near Moab. You should go in real life.
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this show has the potential to be an HBO version of LOST
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this show has the potential to be an HBO version of LOST
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I think it is pretty meh so far. :dunno:
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I'm watching exclusively via this thread.
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There are already a bunch of Easter eggs, mythology references etc.
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Am I supposed to understand what Anthony Hopkins is talking about when he says that he is planning something unique and then looking at a church steeple with no church?
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I haven't watched episode 2 yet, but this show had me hooked.
How would you guys spend your time at West World? Let's assume someone gave you a free trip gift certificate, or you won it at a raffle or something...so you are totally going.
What would you do? Straight talk here, honest, let's get real. I can sincerely tell you that I am unlike the man in black, because I have zero desire to murder a chick's boyfriend and then rape her. In fact, I wouldn't do either of those things, regardless of the order.
Most of what you COULD do in an old west world does not interest me. I suppose I would "do it" (sex,if you know what I mean) with a robot, because hey you only live once, but beyond that it seems like the old west would get boring. All dirty and smelly, and the food would be terrible.
I have played enough GTA and Red Dead to know that after I looked around for about 10 minutes I unfortunately know exactly what I would be doing.... and it isn't treasure hunting.
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I haven't watched episode 2 yet, but this show had me hooked.
How would you guys spend your time at West World? Let's assume someone gave you a free trip gift certificate, or you won it at a raffle or something...so you are totally going.
What would you do? Straight talk here, honest, let's get real. I can sincerely tell you that I am unlike the man in black, because I have zero desire to murder a chick's boyfriend and then rape her. In fact, I wouldn't do either of those things, regardless of the order.
Most of what you COULD do in an old west world does not interest me. I suppose I would "do it" (sex,if you know what I mean) with a robot, because hey you only live once, but beyond that it seems like the old west would get boring. All dirty and smelly, and the food would be terrible.
I have played enough GTA and Red Dead to know that after I looked around for about 10 minutes I unfortunately know exactly what I would be doing.... and it isn't treasure hunting.
Known horrible person
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this show has the potential to be an HBO version of LOST
does it have a charlie type so i can actively get involved in rooting for a death?
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this show has the potential to be an HBO version of LOST
does it have a charlie type so i can actively get involved in rooting for a death?
Not clear at this time
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this show has the potential to be an HBO version of LOST
does it have a charlie type so i can actively get involved in rooting for a death?
This show is a blood bath. I'm not sure what it cost a visitor to shoot or kill a host, but I bet it isn't cheap. That's why the "man in black" doesn't plan on leaving.
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Theories that he could be a corporate saboteur
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There are new theories out there about the Man in Black.
I am rooting for ole Ed Harris to make it through the maze. I don't really want to root for the robots. I also dislike the guy that is sympathetic to them.
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I like everything except the security guy.
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I like everything except the security guy.
was pretty great when he got mauled and then the host self-owned himself with that rock.
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I think the host crushed his own head in so the scientists wouldn't be able to evaluate what was wrong with him.
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Someone on shaggy said that whole stray storyline felt like a cw show, thought that fit perfectly
The stoning was def pawesome tho
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Someone on shaggy said that whole stray storyline felt like a cw show, thought that fit perfectly
The stoning was def pawesome tho
the stray was fine. that story in the grand scheme will bear lots of fruit, but I like how it manifests differently.
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I haven't watched episode 2 yet, but this show had me hooked.
How would you guys spend your time at West World? Let's assume someone gave you a free trip gift certificate, or you won it at a raffle or something...so you are totally going.
What would you do? Straight talk here, honest, let's get real. I can sincerely tell you that I am unlike the man in black, because I have zero desire to murder a chick's boyfriend and then rape her. In fact, I wouldn't do either of those things, regardless of the order.
Most of what you COULD do in an old west world does not interest me. I suppose I would "do it" (sex,if you know what I mean) with a robot, because hey you only live once, but beyond that it seems like the old west would get boring. All dirty and smelly, and the food would be terrible.
I wouldn't have gotten out of the dressing room. (ep3)
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Are we doing spoilers in here?
I'm curious to see how people are taking flashbacks that one host was having in ep 3. Were they flashback/reveries where she was learning or something else?
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They are flashbacks of previous events that had been wiped from her memory.
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They are flashbacks of previous events that had been wiped from her memory.
i botched up what I was trying to get at. Previously the episodes showed the complete reset of her timeline to show her cycle of monotony. Are those memories now that reset in a mini form? Was she living those days as we were watching them or was she accessing old memories? Because if we were watching them in 'real time' then William's story line has progressed over a few days we didn't see.
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I don't really understand specially which memories you are talking about, but.....
Dolores was shown several times waking up in her bed. I think her memories had just been wiped. But the McPoyle guy in the white hat (is that William?) had been there before and was still there after....so if Dolores' memory was wiped it would not provide a continuous timeline for him. So that is a little confusing.
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[spoilers ahead from ep 3!!!]
I mean the flashbacks of being shot in the stomach-ish area, replay where she killed the cowboy for trying to rape her.
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Oh the part where she got shot and was bleeding but then the next second she hadn't been shot. Yeah I don't know exactly what was going on. Were they trying to show that scenario had happened before where she got shot but that this time she didn't actually get shot?
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yes, that's what happened.
i watched that episode initially on a plane with some bad glare and i was so confused with what was happening
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Tonight's episode answered a lot of questions for me
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The snake :fatty:
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i hate to burst your bubbles but this show isn't going anywhere and while i'm sure there are some here who for reasons unknown enjoyed the show, Lost, this one seems to be heading down that same mongloidian rabbit hole. i'm not giving up yet but the writing is most definitely on the wall.
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Omg I hope so 'clams
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WestWorld reveals way more about the nature of things than Lost, and thus, has several levels to play with. Lost was stuck because they wanted everything to be mysterious. I think we have a much clearer idea of how things are going.
If you aren't #teamMIB then, get out. but there will be opportunities for #teamhost and even #teamFord.
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OK, so what is going on with the space man thing that is part of the Native Americans' religion? Have they seen the men in the clean suits and remembered and made it a part of their religion? (If so, then why haven't the creators noticed?) Or did the creators make it part of their narrative to explain the existence of the men in the clean suits after they realized the hosts had remembered them?
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I think that they aren't as careful with the natives because they are outliers. They don't drive the narratives so who cares if they see something.
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OK, so what is going on with the space man thing that is part of the Native Americans' religion? Have they seen the men in the clean suits and remembered and made it a part of their religion? (If so, then why haven't the creators noticed?) Or did the creators make it part of their narrative to explain the existence of the men in the clean suits after they realized the hosts had remembered them?
I think they don't notice and Bernard is covering up a lot of the problems with the updates for Ford.
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I don't get why they even need suits like that in the first place but o well
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I don't get why they even need suits like that in the first place but o well
Yeah, that is not clear. I think it is just for the storyline of the hooker chick seeing men in space suits.
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the robots have bio material so probably bacteria and stuff.
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Probably all kinds of AIDS getting cleaned out of those robots daily.
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the robots have bio material so probably bacteria and stuff.
I think it is contamination of the environment, no outside stuff in the park.
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Probably true
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the robots have bio material so probably bacteria and stuff.
I think it is contamination of the environment, no outside stuff in the park.
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The guests and other employees don't wear them
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the robots have bio material so probably bacteria and stuff.
I think it is contamination of the environment, no outside stuff in the park.
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The guests and other employees don't wear them
The guests are outfitted completely, the other employees sometimes wear medical/sterile environment stuff and sometimes not. I think we also aren't sure about time continuity (how long ago are the memories she is accessing?).
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Yeah, there are several employees entering the park not in full bio suits.
So, after a host is "killed" they do some special 3D printing to make their skin unscarred but they don't bother to dig out the bullets?
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stop making it so complicated.
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Yeah, there are several employees entering the park not in full bio suits.
So, after a host is "killed" they do some special 3D printing to make their skin unscarred but they don't bother to dig out the bullets?
They showed the tech saying there was still a fragment in the body but his boss was rushing to get the bot back in service
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Yeah, there are several employees entering the park not in full bio suits.
So, after a host is "killed" they do some special 3D printing to make their skin unscarred but they don't bother to dig out the bullets?
mistakes were made.
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stop making it so complicated.
It already is complicated. I'm trying to understand what is going on.
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Yeah, there are several employees entering the park not in full bio suits.
So, after a host is "killed" they do some special 3D printing to make their skin unscarred but they don't bother to dig out the bullets?
They showed the tech saying there was still a fragment in the body but his boss was rushing to get the bot back in service
OK, thank you for being helpful. I missed that part.
I thought they were planning to kill off that hooker and retire her....what happened to that plan?
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stop making it so complicated.
Yeah, it doesn't bother me, It just seems unnecessary to have full respirator suits to clean up. Maybe they just don't want robot blood all in they face
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Yeah, there are several employees entering the park not in full bio suits.
So, after a host is "killed" they do some special 3D printing to make their skin unscarred but they don't bother to dig out the bullets?
They showed the tech saying there was still a fragment in the body but his boss was rushing to get the bot back in service
OK, thank you for being helpful. I missed that part.
I thought they were planning to kill off that hooker and retire her....what happened to that plan?
Different departments. First was the story/qa department and second was programming
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3/4 groups at play
Storytellers
programmers
security
corporate.
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3/4 groups at play
Storytellers: Anthony Hopkins
programmers: Beetee from Hunger Games
security: That hot security guy
corporate.: the chick who is screwing Beetee
Is that right?
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3/4 groups at play
Storytellers
programmers
security
corporate.
Ford is in his own category: creator
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also the board is who the ceo/coo (woman screwing Bernard) reports to. We don't know their motivations yet, we can assume they have some big disagreements with Ford.
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lol, the board's motivation is to make money and to make sure the idiots working at the park don't screw up their business. they're going to be risk averse and against anything that could jeopardize the operation, including ford's new storyline.
ford fits into the scientist category, not creator
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3/4 groups at play
Storytellers
programmers
security
corporate.
Ford is in his own category: creator
Ford (Anthony Hopkins) is creating storylines. The only other person creating storylines that I remember was that guy who tried to make a new one but Ford shot down his idea. Maybe there are others behind the scenes, but have they shown any others that have actually made storylines?
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lol, the board's motivation is to make money and to make sure the idiots working at the park don't screw up their business. they're going to be risk averse and against anything that could jeopardize the operation, including ford's new storyline.
ford fits into the scientist category, not creator
obvs. It is also obvious they are against Ford's more visionary/idealistic (expensive) ideas. What we don't know is if they are planning a merger/trying to share the tech with outside sources or something else.
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lol, the board's motivation is to make money and to make sure the idiots working at the park don't screw up their business. they're going to be risk averse and against anything that could jeopardize the operation, including ford's new storyline.
ford fits into the scientist category, not creator
obvs. It is also obvious they are against Ford's more visionary/idealistic (expensive) ideas. What we don't know is if they are planning a merger/trying to share the tech with outside sources or something else.
what's also obvs is that you said we don't know what their motivations are, but what's also obvs is that we do. sorry, professor westworld.
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Ford is "park director"
Bernie is "head of programming"
Bernies chick is "head of qa" handles security and guest experience, and probably maintenance
Storyline guy is" head of storylines"
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Storyline guy is" head of storylines"
Who is this???
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The one who made the story that Ford rejected
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The one who made the story that Ford rejected
That guy is the head of storylines? He isn't very good at his job.
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lol, the board's motivation is to make money and to make sure the idiots working at the park don't screw up their business. they're going to be risk averse and against anything that could jeopardize the operation, including ford's new storyline.
ford fits into the scientist category, not creator
obvs. It is also obvious they are against Ford's more visionary/idealistic (expensive) ideas. What we don't know is if they are planning a merger/trying to share the tech with outside sources or something else.
what's also obvs is that you said we don't know what their motivations are, but what's also obvs is that we do. sorry, professor westworld.
Simple bet- the board has a motivation besides profit that is revealed this season.
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The one who made the story that Ford rejected
That guy is the head of storylines? He isn't very good at his job.
What makes you think that? The guests seem to enjoy themselves
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The one who made the story that Ford rejected
That guy is the head of storylines? He isn't very good at his job.
What makes you think that? The guests seem to enjoy themselves
The only storyline that he has proposed so far (that I have seen) got outright rejected and he spent a bunch of money making hosts for it before he even presented it. What a waste of money.
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lol, the board's motivation is to make money and to make sure the idiots working at the park don't screw up their business. they're going to be risk averse and against anything that could jeopardize the operation, including ford's new storyline.
ford fits into the scientist category, not creator
obvs. It is also obvious they are against Ford's more visionary/idealistic (expensive) ideas. What we don't know is if they are planning a merger/trying to share the tech with outside sources or something else.
what's also obvs is that you said we don't know what their motivations are, but what's also obvs is that we do. sorry, professor westworld.
Simple bet- the board has a motivation besides profit that is revealed this season.
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since that would make the least amount of sense, and in the spirit of Lost, i'm guessing you're right
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Only because the director is a weirdo
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The one who made the story that Ford rejected
That guy is the head of storylines? He isn't very good at his job.
What makes you think that? The guests seem to enjoy themselves
The only storyline that he has proposed so far (that I have seen) got outright rejected and he spent a bunch of money making hosts for it before he even presented it. What a waste of money.
I think you are confusing story lines and narratives at the individual and town level with the direction of the entire 'world' that Ford is responsible for. Note Ford destroying part of the old world to stuff for his new or evolved vision (with Islands).
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Also I'm really sold on the point I, and others have made, that Ed Harris/ Man in Black is the other creator. Ford talks about him going mad in a quest. MiB is looking for this maze and it seems like that is a broader idea for bot enlightenment. In the 1 minute preview for next week MiB and Ford have a meeting where MiB talks about trying to find something real, I think the search for what is consciousness.
I also like how the Native Americans have incorporated the clean up crews into their religion and creator story. I'd also note that previously the said one of the hosts had MRSA in it during cleanup, not exactly something to have splashed all over you dragging bodies around.
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The one who made the story that Ford rejected
That guy is the head of storylines? He isn't very good at his job.
What makes you think that? The guests seem to enjoy themselves
The only storyline that he has proposed so far (that I have seen) got outright rejected and he spent a bunch of money making hosts for it before he even presented it. What a waste of money.
I think you are confusing story lines and narratives at the individual and town level with the direction of the entire 'world' that Ford is responsible for. Note Ford destroying part of the old world to stuff for his new or evolved vision (with Islands).
Lee Sizemore is the guy that had a whole storyline planned but then Ford rejected it.
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Ed Harris is not ford's original partner (blanking on the name), they made that pretty clear
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Ed Harris is not ford's original partner (blanking on the name), they made that pretty clear
Arnold
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Ed Harris is not ford's original partner (blanking on the name), they made that pretty clear
Arnold
Don't know what Lib is watching because they haven't made that clear at all. Ford says Arnold died in the park but doesn't say how, only relating it to his search for consciousness, alienation from people, and his proclivity for hanging out with bots. Ford says they called it an accident, but notes that Arnold was very, very careful. I see that as a hint that he plans to a crazy degree as well. Keep in mind Ford also says in several episodes that Arnold went mad searching for consciousness. "When the Legend becomes fact you print the legend."
Now the MiB is searching for this maze that is somehow related to the hosts's construction and head (see the scalping). His search interwines with hints about the reveries/bots accessing memories/and elements of the real world bleeding into the narrative. In the preview for Ep five Ford and MiB are meeting and MiB says he is searching for something real. Further, MiB has been coming for 30 years, Ford says they have been working on this for 30 years. All the signs are pointing towards MiB as Arnold if you are willing to believe that Arnold could have walked off the reservation and faked his death or at least has Ford covering for him.
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All of that is malarkey
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Watched the first epi. This show is hot garbage.
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Watched the first epi. This show is hot garbage.
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for posterity
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In the first episode, they said there hadn't been an accident in the park in 30 years. Surely that has to correspond somehow with the MIB coming there for 30 years....surely that accident was Arnold's accident....
Also, Dolores is the oldest host and she has been there "since the beginning". She is eventually going to remember who the MIB is.
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One thing that another forum I'm on has discussed is the possibility that William is a young MiB. Note that Delores had a conversation with Bernard the night when she was staggering through the wild and happened upon William and his brother (?) and later woke in their camp. Maybe there was some reverie tomfoolery.
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One thing that another forum I'm on has discussed is the possibility that William is a young MiB. Note that Delores had a conversation with Bernard the night when she was staggering through the wild and happened upon William and his brother (?) and later woke in their camp. Maybe there was some reverie tomfoolery.
That and if they are different characters, Luke Hemsworth's character (security guy) appears in both.
BUT, what if the twist is that both he and Bernard are robots, thus not aging between scenes?
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One thing that another forum I'm on has discussed is the possibility that William is a young MiB. Note that Delores had a conversation with Bernard the night when she was staggering through the wild and happened upon William and his brother (?) and later woke in their camp. Maybe there was some reverie tomfoolery.
That and if they are different characters, Luke Hemsworth's character (security guy) appears in both.
BUT, what if the twist is that both he and Bernard are robots, thus not aging between scenes?
Walk me through the security guy in both if you can recall a scene?
People also note a change in WW logos as evidence for this.
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Are you suggesting that the scenes with William actually happened 30 years ago? But we know that Dolores has been many characters over time so she wouldn't have been Dolores back then.
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Are you suggesting that the scenes with William actually happened 30 years ago? But we know that Dolores has been many characters over time so she wouldn't have been Dolores back then.
We don't know exactly the timeline of when things could have occurred. I don't think we know actually how long 'westworld' as it sits now has been around. For instance Wincott's Old Bill (wish/hope he was in this more) is an old bot, many generations old, but we don't necessarily have a time frame for his use. Delores is clearly been upgraded, but it seems like the baseline animatronics seem to suggest she is a bit more advanced than Old Bill. I think they've only confirmed she is one of the oldest of the best generation of bots that can be used in many rolls in Westworld, but we don't know too much else. Haven't all of her reveries been related to her time as Delores as well? It's only been her father that accessed old rolls in other narratives.
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Didn't Dolores have some first person flashbacks? I can't remember for sure if they pivoted to third person, but there were some times when we couldn't actually see what she looked like.
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Didn't Dolores have some first person flashbacks? I can't remember for sure if they pivoted to third person, but there were some times when we couldn't actually see what she looked like.
yeah she has had flash backs, but I thought they were all as Delores?
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Didn't Dolores have some first person flashbacks? I can't remember for sure if they pivoted to third person, but there were some times when we couldn't actually see what she looked like.
yeah she has had flash backs, but I thought they were all as Delores?
But in the first person flashbacks we are seeing from her eyes....maybe she wasn't Dolores then....we don't know.
But, I did find this Reddit that explains the William's storyline is in a past theory...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Westworld_Hosts/comments/58qfv4/breakdown_of_the_multiple_time_periods_theory/
P.S. That guy that William is with is his soon to be brother-in-law.
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Is anyone still watching West World?
Is Laurence's appearance after MiB killed him an indication of an earlier timeline or did they just fix him up real quick and send him back into the park?
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Could be either Mrs gooch and I'm excited to find out.
I thought this episode advanced the 2 timeline theory a lot, but there are still problems with it.
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Is anyone still watching West World?
Is Laurence's appearance after MiB killed him an indication of an earlier timeline or did they just fix him up real quick and send him back into the park?
Last night, I was thinking there must be two timelines, but the more I think about it, that just doesn't make much sense. I think they just fixed him up and put him back in the park.
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Is anyone still watching West World?
Is Laurence's appearance after MiB killed him an indication of an earlier timeline or did they just fix him up real quick and send him back into the park?
purposely ambiguous, "someone will be by to get him soon." as MIB leaves. But it is certainly evidence if you want it to be.
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OK, so MiB is definitely a human because another guest knew him from outside the park. The guy recognized him as some big wig from some company....which points to him being either William or Logan (Williams's future BIL) because they both seem to be high/mid level executives (30 years ago?).
BUT the problem with the 2 timeline theory is that Dolores seems to be evolving in William's timeline but then she was just a farm girl in MiB's timeline....so if there are two timelines then she evolved and then got reset back or something.
MiB is definitely in current time because he interacted with Ford (unless Ford is an unaging robot).
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OK, so MiB is definitely a human because another guest knew him from outside the park. The guy recognized him as some big wig from some company....which points to him being either William or Logan (Williams's future BIL) because they both seem to be high/mid level executives (30 years ago?).
BUT the problem with the 2 timeline theory is that Dolores seems to be evolving in William's timeline but then she was just a farm girl in MiB's timeline....so if there are two timelines then she evolved and then got reset back or something.
MiB is definitely in current time because he interacted with Ford (unless Ford is an unaging robot).
mib is definitely a host, that has been obvious for a while now. The employees have said "he gets what he wants" several times before.
I am interested in who is hacking the hosts and for what end. competitors? hackers wanting to compromise high profile guests?
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OK, so MiB is definitely a human because another guest knew him from outside the park. The guy recognized him as some big wig from some company....which points to him being either William or Logan (Williams's future BIL) because they both seem to be high/mid level executives (30 years ago?).
BUT the problem with the 2 timeline theory is that Dolores seems to be evolving in William's timeline but then she was just a farm girl in MiB's timeline....so if there are two timelines then she evolved and then got reset back or something.
MiB is definitely in current time because he interacted with Ford (unless Ford is an unaging robot).
mib is definitely a host, that has been obvious for a while now. The employees have said "he gets what he wants" several times before.
I am interested in who is hacking the hosts and for what end. competitors? hackers wanting to compromise high profile guests?
OK, if MiB is a host (which is what I originally thought) then how did that guy recognize him a couple of episodes ago? He is a robot built to look like a real person?
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show that doesn't make sense and is wholly ambiguous is great show :blank:
good grief
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OK, so MiB is definitely a human because another guest knew him from outside the park. The guy recognized him as some big wig from some company....which points to him being either William or Logan (Williams's future BIL) because they both seem to be high/mid level executives (30 years ago?).
BUT the problem with the 2 timeline theory is that Dolores seems to be evolving in William's timeline but then she was just a farm girl in MiB's timeline....so if there are two timelines then she evolved and then got reset back or something.
MiB is definitely in current time because he interacted with Ford (unless Ford is an unaging robot).
mib is definitely a host, that has been obvious for a while now. The employees have said "he gets what he wants" several times before.
I am interested in who is hacking the hosts and for what end. competitors? hackers wanting to compromise high profile guests?
OK, if MiB is a host (which is what I originally thought) then how did that guy recognize him a couple of episodes ago? He is a robot built to look like a real person?
Oh sorry, I meant definitely a guest. I mixed up my terms.
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In the William storyline, they mention that the place "Started as a partnership, but one of the partners killed himself" And since then its been hemorrhaging money. In the MiB line, he mentions its been 35 years since Arnold's death. The park would have trouble staying open running in the red for 35 years. Plus, the William's Brother-in-law talks about Arnold's death, it was like it'd happened more recently than 35 years ago. In that same encounter, the MiB makes mention that he helped save the park when Arnold almost took it down, but its carefully worded not to say he had any direct involvement with Arnold's death (though its implied on first listen) This combined with with the 1st episode dropping that its been 30 years since the last incident in the park as of the MiB timeline, lines the timelines up nicely.
The only thing that's not lining up at all is how several Delores flashbacks have the MiB in the same timeline as she shares with William.
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bump to get some more kat kid theories for clams to make fun of.
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show needs more Xerxes
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bump to get some more kat kid theories for clams to make fun of.
westworld theories don't exist. because the show doesn't exist. sorry for mind_blown.exe on you.
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Pretty sweet Yul Brenner homage in last night's episode. Cool easter egg or foreshadowing a bigger plotline later on?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.vanityfair.com%2Fphotos%2F581fd8fd784cf8ac089e69bc%2Fmaster%2Fw_690%2Cc_limit%2Fww-yul-brynner.gif&hash=944203df7aed528e3b633b2ff443131ea56d484f)
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I'm fully on board with double timeline.
Can't wait to see what maeve has up her sleeve
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i've seen what is up her sleeve and i like it
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^
that's a naked boobs joke fyi
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Thandie Newton sexbot asks to be choked out just like mine is programmed to.
Wait, what?
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Pretty sweet Yul Brenner homage in last night's episode. Cool easter egg or foreshadowing a bigger plotline later on?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.vanityfair.com%2Fphotos%2F581fd8fd784cf8ac089e69bc%2Fmaster%2Fw_690%2Cc_limit%2Fww-yul-brynner.gif&hash=944203df7aed528e3b633b2ff443131ea56d484f)
I missed this. Was it in Basement # 82?
So this place has (at least) 82 underground levels, and the lower levels are the oldest? So they just dug like as deep as possible and were like, "Let's start filling up the lowest and hardest to reach areas first."
And then when they decided to move forward with newer technology they were like, "We have all this room, no need to repurpose this old floor. Let' just leave all this old obsolete technology laying around."
And then even though they are in this high tech building where the electricity works fine on other levels, for some reason the lights are flickering on floor B82.
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Pretty sweet Yul Brenner homage in last night's episode. Cool easter egg or foreshadowing a bigger plotline later on?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.vanityfair.com%2Fphotos%2F581fd8fd784cf8ac089e69bc%2Fmaster%2Fw_690%2Cc_limit%2Fww-yul-brynner.gif&hash=944203df7aed528e3b633b2ff443131ea56d484f)
I missed this. Was it in Basement # 82?
So this place has (at least) 82 underground levels, and the lower levels are the oldest? So they just dug like as deep as possible and were like, "Let's start filling up the lowest and hardest to reach areas first."
And then when they decided to move forward with newer technology they were like, "We have all this room, no need to repurpose this old floor. Let' just leave all this old obsolete technology laying around."
And then even though they are in this high tech building where the electricity works fine on other levels, for some reason the lights are flickering on floor B82.
The flickering lights were really annoying. Ms. 8mp thought it was okay because there wouldn't really be creepy music playing too and it was just cinematic, but i was still :curse:
Enjoyed Fake Plastic Trees on the piano at the bar though
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I called that out and bubbles and others doubted me and I facialed them
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I called that out and bubbles and others doubted me and I facialed them
i didn't know that maeve's music is always radiohead and i'm pretty sure you did.
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after running this week's episode through my special rosetta stone enigma machine, I can confidently say that some things happened in the episode. tia.
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I called that out and bubbles and others doubted me and I facialed them
i didn't know that maeve's music is always radiohead and i'm pretty sure you did.
I didn't know that either.
The music on the jukebox has been a great scene setter in the show.
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I have decided that this show is boring and I'm done watching it.
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Bye
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eff, guys, what will we do without The1bigwillie? Was he the racist piece of crap bigwillie or was that the other bigwillie?
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Both
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This show was already very good. The last episode has me licking my chops for more. It's going to be great.
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it's ok - i think that you guys are making more of it than it actually is
i'm not 100% sure that there is a plot and i don't like watching television shows that require deep intense attention and thought, just seems like too much work. that said i haven't tapped out yet but couldn't tell you a damn thing about what the writers are supposed to be telling us
i prefer to zone out, nap, and interweb when watching tv, not look for yule breaker in the shadows
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I like the premise of this show and the actors and performances and the production value. But I think I'm now 5 episodes in and the plot is all over the damned place. I hope this isn't HBO's version of Lost. Also some of the sex stuff is stupid and gratuitous but I guess HBO just can't help themselves.
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I don't remember any gratuitous sex
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nudity = sex to ksuw. remember the GoT peen?
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Reason I don't think there is a dual time line:
-when delorous flips and runs, she runs into William. Dolores is detected as out of her loop. when William gets to that border town place, some employee in costume approaches her and says she needs to come with him to get back to her loop(or something). William steps in and says she is with him.
So, either this disproves the loop, as the head guy of the behavior dept just finished with his weird personal interviews with her in present time, or the head behavior guy is also in the past, which he isn't because they show him all the time with old Anthony Hopkins.
Then old MiB is shown in same place/time as old Anthony Hopkins.
So, it appears one time has old AH, flipping out Dolores, and the only variation of head of programming are all with each other at one point or another.
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Reason I don't think there is a dual time line:
-when delorous flips and runs, she runs into William. Dolores is detected as out of her loop. when William gets to that border town place, some employee in costume approaches her and says she needs to come with him to get back to her loop(or something). William steps in and says she is with him.
So, either this disproves the loop, as the head guy of the behavior dept just finished with his weird personal interviews with her in present time, or the head behavior guy is also in the past, which he isn't because they show him all the time with old Anthony Hopkins.
Then old MiB is shown in same place/time as old Anthony Hopkins.
So, it appears one time has old AH, flipping out Dolores, and the only variation of head of programming are all with each other at one point or another.
Unless old AH is a robot.
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I don't remember any gratuitous sex
nudity = sex to ksuw. remember the GoT peen?
why bother engaging that dolt?
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I don't remember any gratuitous sex
There's really not been a lot of sex.
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I don't think Ford is the robot....
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I don't think Ford is the robot....
Well actually Ford is a robot....
(https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/600/1*9oyiKsU5HcCcK7ws7Z1rGw.jpeg)
Just maybe not the old Ford.
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http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/westworld-theories-multiple-timelines-who-is-the-man-in-black-who-is-arnold-who-is-wyatt
Like the Delores part, don't agree with the Bernie
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Also, what is the connection between Arnold and Ford's dad?
I know that Arnold made the Ford Sr robot, but does the robot look like Arnold?
We saw this photo of Ford & Arnold in episode 3...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.thisisinsider.com%2Fimage%2F5810a4283a965a20008b468e-1200%2Farnold-is-fords-original-partner-in-the-parks.jpg&hash=76b22e50368ba5f0c7c83ab38818d216c29509dd)
And that guy is the Ford Sr robot, right????
Or did Bernard just misinterpret who that was a picture of???
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that's a young ford.
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I really hope this turns losty
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that's a young ford.
The one on the left is a young Ford but the guy on the right is the same actor as the Ford's dad robot (who Bernard thought was Arnold when he saw him).
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that's a young ford.
The one on the left is a young Ford but the guy on the right is the same actor as the Ford's dad robot (who Bernard thought was Arnold when he saw him).
i believe that ford, the mib, and the few of the 1st gen hosts that still function are the only ones who know what Arnold looks/ looked like.
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I don't remember any gratuitous sex
There's really not been a lot of sex.
I am mainly referring to the orgy, which was both completely out of place and irrelevant to the "plot" (such that there is). I understand that robot rape and sex are an important part of the story and are real ethical issues for our own society as VR and robotics become more advanced, but if you don't think HBO wants its programming to appeal to more prurient interests, you're deluding yourselves.
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The orgy was the culture of the town, not just hbo trying to show tits.
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I really hope this turns losty
hmu when this happens so i can tune in
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The orgy was the culture of the town, not just hbo trying to show tits.
And it made no sense whatsoever. It also did nothing for the plot.
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The orgy was the culture of the town, not just hbo trying to show tits.
And it made no sense whatsoever. It also did nothing for the plot.
Yes, it made perfect sense. The further you get away from Sweetwater(?) the more visceral the experience - more violence (with the chance to actually get hurt), more sex.
It also showed how uncomfortable William and Dolores were in that situation.
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The orgy was the culture of the town, not just hbo trying to show tits.
And it made no sense whatsoever. It also did nothing for the plot.
what plot is it that you're referring to? :lol:
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Well a "city of sin" filled with hookers, theives and murderers actually was a pretty big part of the William meeting Lawrence plot
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well it could have been a "city of the pious" and lawrence could have been a priest helping the needy instead
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well it could have been a "city of the pious" and lawrence could have been a priest helping the needy instead
So you'd rather see sex with underage boys instead of adult women?
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well it could have been a "city of the pious" and lawrence could have been a priest helping the needy instead
Maybe just come across each other at the soda fountain and become instant besties
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well it could have been a "city of the pious" and lawrence could have been a priest helping the needy instead
Maybe just come across each other at the soda fountain and become instant besties
Much better than mocat's boy sex robots idea.
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well it could have been a "city of the pious" and lawrence could have been a priest helping the needy instead
So you'd rather see sex with underage boys instead of adult women?
nope just an honest to god good priest helping people. how about gratuitous kindness, ever heard of that one hbo?
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The orgy was the culture of the town, not just hbo trying to show tits.
And it made no sense whatsoever. It also did nothing for the plot.
Yes, it made perfect sense. The further you get away from Sweetwater(?) the more visceral the experience - more violence (with the chance to actually get hurt), more sex.
It also showed how uncomfortable William and Dolores were in that situation.
Yep, better shown by William's bro getting real life beat down.
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The orgy was the culture of the town, not just hbo trying to show tits.
And it made no sense whatsoever. It also did nothing for the plot.
i think you were supposed to take away that delores and the guy were not interested in gratuitous sex.
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
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is there gratuitous nudity? sure i mean the robots don't always have to be nude when they are being interviewed by bernard or whoever, but KSUW specifically said gratuitous sex. :lol:
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nudity = sex = sin
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
you should get a divorce. now.
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
Does she wear jean shorts in the shower?
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
you should get a divorce. now.
I know, its weird.
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Does she wear jean shorts in the shower?
:dubious:
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
Does she wear jean shorts in the shower?
:lol:
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Does she wear jean shorts in the shower?
:dubious:
:lol:
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
you should get a divorce. now.
I know, its weird.
seriously, tell her that some guy on the internet that you've never met thinks she needs to get over it.
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I think maybe ksuw is just not able to process nudity in art as a mature adult.
I can't get FreundinSonntag to give this show a shot because she gets uncomfortable around nudity :bawl:
you should get a divorce. now.
I know, its weird.
seriously, tell her that some guy on the internet that you've never met thinks she needs to get over it.
Also, tell her some woman on the internet that you never met thinks the same thing.
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I don't have a problem the nudity in general. It dehumanizes the robots so it has a point. The orgy was stupid and out of place. This lady explains it better. https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo (https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo)
Tasha: I’m so used to HBO’s tits-n-butts-n-blood-n-guts aesthetic that nothing in Westworld really registered as meaningfully excessive until the orgy scene, and that only hit home because it was so utterly pointless, so willfully, obviously gratuitous. We knew it was coming because of all the 2015 news about a ridiculous casting call that demanded extras who were willing to submit to “genital-to-genital touching” and a long list of silly, not-sexy behaviors. And the reality looks about as hilariously artificial as that casting call sounded. The entire sequence is so performative, so unsexual, and so strained that it took me out of the story as much as the violence has been taking you out. It doesn’t fit in the setting — a gritty Old West edge-of-frontier outlaw town where virtually everyone just happens to be young, beautiful, clean, and dressed up like they’re at a Victorian costume ball? It’s also flat and completely lacking in the energy of lust, daring, fun, or even glee at breaking taboos. That sequence made sex look boring, more about posing and prancing than intimacy, passion, or even animal satisfaction.
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I wonder if KSUW finds Sodom and Gomorrah out of place in the Bible.
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Also I'm surprised that no one is unpacking Ford's drink with MiB. They seem to have history and I'm wondering if MiB could be an Arthur bot/power host. It would pick up on his search for consciousness and picking up the quest for making bots something more. Do we know what accident actually "killed" Arthur? Maybe he Tron/Jeff Bridges-ed himself into a bot too.
Additionally is anyone else really surprised that the lower floors look abandoned? Like not moved out, we got new digs up stairs, more we need to GTFO right now.
Finally anyone watching the season preview clips at the end of the show? Showed some real violence coming up, security forces clearing what appears to be the lower floors.
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I don't have a problem the nudity in general. It dehumanizes the robots so it has a point. The orgy was stupid and out of place. This lady explains it better. https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo (https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo)
Tasha: I’m so used to HBO’s tits-n-butts-n-blood-n-guts aesthetic that nothing in Westworld really registered as meaningfully excessive until the orgy scene, and that only hit home because it was so utterly pointless, so willfully, obviously gratuitous. We knew it was coming because of all the 2015 news about a ridiculous casting call that demanded extras who were willing to submit to “genital-to-genital touching” and a long list of silly, not-sexy behaviors. And the reality looks about as hilariously artificial as that casting call sounded. The entire sequence is so performative, so unsexual, and so strained that it took me out of the story as much as the violence has been taking you out. It doesn’t fit in the setting — a gritty Old West edge-of-frontier outlaw town where virtually everyone just happens to be young, beautiful, clean, and dressed up like they’re at a Victorian costume ball? It’s also flat and completely lacking in the energy of lust, daring, fun, or even glee at breaking taboos. That sequence made sex look boring, more about posing and prancing than intimacy, passion, or even animal satisfaction.
So this lady thinks the robots acted robotic?
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I don't have a problem the nudity in general. It dehumanizes the robots so it has a point. The orgy was stupid and out of place. This lady explains it better. https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo (https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo)
Tasha: I’m so used to HBO’s tits-n-butts-n-blood-n-guts aesthetic that nothing in Westworld really registered as meaningfully excessive until the orgy scene, and that only hit home because it was so utterly pointless, so willfully, obviously gratuitous. We knew it was coming because of all the 2015 news about a ridiculous casting call that demanded extras who were willing to submit to “genital-to-genital touching” and a long list of silly, not-sexy behaviors. And the reality looks about as hilariously artificial as that casting call sounded. The entire sequence is so performative, so unsexual, and so strained that it took me out of the story as much as the violence has been taking you out. It doesn’t fit in the setting — a gritty Old West edge-of-frontier outlaw town where virtually everyone just happens to be young, beautiful, clean, and dressed up like they’re at a Victorian costume ball? It’s also flat and completely lacking in the energy of lust, daring, fun, or even glee at breaking taboos. That sequence made sex look boring, more about posing and prancing than intimacy, passion, or even animal satisfaction.
So this lady thinks the robots acted robotic?
I will say when they walked into the hall of fun it did look too clean and dressy. Walking into the town seeing sex going on in the alley ways and carriages seemed to be *more appropriate* for the town. But I had no issue with too much nudity in that hall as a theme for it being a Gomorrah type place.
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I don't have a problem the nudity in general. It dehumanizes the robots so it has a point. The orgy was stupid and out of place. This lady explains it better. https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo (https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/11/4/13514468/westworld-theories-answers-hbo)
Tasha: I’m so used to HBO’s tits-n-butts-n-blood-n-guts aesthetic that nothing in Westworld really registered as meaningfully excessive until the orgy scene, and that only hit home because it was so utterly pointless, so willfully, obviously gratuitous. We knew it was coming because of all the 2015 news about a ridiculous casting call that demanded extras who were willing to submit to “genital-to-genital touching” and a long list of silly, not-sexy behaviors. And the reality looks about as hilariously artificial as that casting call sounded. The entire sequence is so performative, so unsexual, and so strained that it took me out of the story as much as the violence has been taking you out. It doesn’t fit in the setting — a gritty Old West edge-of-frontier outlaw town where virtually everyone just happens to be young, beautiful, clean, and dressed up like they’re at a Victorian costume ball? It’s also flat and completely lacking in the energy of lust, daring, fun, or even glee at breaking taboos. That sequence made sex look boring, more about posing and prancing than intimacy, passion, or even animal satisfaction.
So this lady thinks the robots acted robotic?
I will say when they walked into the hall of fun it did look too clean and dressy. Walking into the town seeing sex going on in the alley ways and carriages seemed to be *more appropriate* for the town. But I had no issue with too much nudity in that hall as a theme for it being a Gomorrah type place.
I agree. I expected debauchery. But the hall and costume ball and other stuff did not fit.
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In the movie, there is a Roman world. It's as if they were trying to work in the Caligula stuff into the old West.
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All right I'm going to rewatch to see if I can better understand what's going on.
Epi 1 observations....
1. The young outlaw robot who goes haywire is talking to Arnold.
2. Bernard whispers something to the dad before putting him in storage. Hmmm...
3. Why is Bernard having these discussions with Delores? Testing her, or something else?
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Epi 2...
1. Bernard is telling Delores to remember stuff. So appears he is planting the memories.
2. The angry QA lady says corporate is ready to "launch" - Bernard knows about it too. I'm guessing Bernard has told Ford, Ford doesn't like it, and they're brewing some sort of sabotage.
3. Bernard gives Dolores a gun. Real gun?
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Epi 3....
1. Boy they're sure hinting that Bernard is a robot. Sounds like he's modeled after Arnold based on the tragedy backstory. Also, Ford often pauses before he says "Bernard" like he wants to say another name.
2. So this new Wyatt story is "based in truth." Wyatt thought he heard the voice of God. So Wyatt was either a host set on a killing spree by Arnold or he was Arnold?
3. Delores lied to Bernard about staying on loop. So now she can lie and shoot.
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The nudity absolutely exists in the storyline to dehumanize the robots. It happens to fall within a pattern of HBO cinematography but it still serves to further the plot.
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Epi 4....
1. I've heard a theory that the William and MIB are the same person in two different narratives set 30 years apart. Doesn't make sense for lots of reasons, but I think this episode puts that to rest? The security dude is definitely in the MIB's storyline, and in this episode he is also in William's storyline (he comments on Delores being way off track, as she is wit William). So unless security dude is a robot who never ages, and that doesn't make much sense, this theory is debunked.
2. I don't get Delores interaction with little girl.
3. So didn't Ford just recently create the Wyatt storyline? It seems that the MIB is just playing the latest story of Ford's - not hacking deeper into the maze.
4. Board already has a rep that QA lady didn't know about. Ok?
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Bernard!
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Epi 5....
1. What's deal with mini-Ford randomly running into MIB?
2. So this is one of those things that just doesn't make sense - in a future where robots are so lifelike, wouldn't it be way cheaper and easier to do all this with VR instead? First mention of VR in this episode.
3. Eh I need to stop binge watching these. Losing interest in the intentional obfuscation.
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So unless security dude is a robot who never ages, and that doesn't make much sense, this theory is debunked.
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This show is boring and weird. And also boring.
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Bernard!
couple of ya'll called it.
Great episode. Seems like Maeve is going to be the bot that does the blood letting instead of Yul/Gunslinger.
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Also I'd love to hear people's thoughts on Dolores and William's plan. Are they going to stumble into the maze? I also assume the voice Dolores has been hearing isn't the sat uplinks and is related to her quest, which makes me think she is being drawn to the maze.
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Maybe the replacement for Theresa is being made right now!
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Bernard is Arnold copy
Scenes with Bernard talking to Delores when she is clothed are actually Arnold in the past
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Bernard is Arnold copy
Scenes with Bernard talking to Delores when she is clothed are actually Arnold in the past
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Whether he is Arnold or not, those scenes with Dolores could have happened in the past. We have no idea when anything with Bernard happened. Have to go back and piece together who else was in each scene (assuming they are not robots too).
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The room that Arnold talks to clothed Delores in looks just like the basement of the house.
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OK, so we saw a scene where Bernard was teleconferencing with his ex-wife. Was that all in his head?
I thought Ford was building a replacement Teresa, but the preview for next week looked like the Corporate lady and Ford are looking at Teresa's dead body.
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They program memories.
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They program memories.
Well that's bullshit. Everything we have seen happen might have just been an implanted memory.
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Or he has a robot wife.
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I assume he's on a sort of loop but has a lot more freedom to deviate within the loop.
Part of his loop is talking to his wife, but this only serves to hide his identity from co workers.
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So, in the future it is normal to just open your door for a business meeting while naked?
FreundinSonntag is really going to hate future business meetings.
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It seemed pretty not normal
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Can we take a moment and marvel at Anthony Hopkins. Wow #acting
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Yeah he's just doing lecter, but wow
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Bernard: "That doesn't mean anything to me."
Me: OH crap
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Bernard: "That doesn't mean anything to me."
Me: OH crap
What door?
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Bernard: "That doesn't mean anything to me."
Me: OH crap
What door?
yep that one too
OH crap (also chills)
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It was quite apparent that they were getting ready to reveal that someone was a host when they had the scene with Clementine showing that a host could "read as human".
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So, in the future it is normal to just open your door for a business meeting while naked?
FreundinSonntag is really going to hate future business meetings.
Totes
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some really great performances in ep.7. i'm excited for the next week's show for the first time.
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Who else do you guys think is a host?
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Ur mom
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Ur mom
:sdeek:
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:lol: good one, lib!
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My mom would be offended by all the gratuitous sex if she watched this show.
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So, the host being made in the basement was definitely a replacement Theresa right?
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So, the host being made in the basement was definitely a replacement Theresa right?
I thought so but the preview for next week looked like Ford & the Corporate lady looking at a dead Theresa, so now I am not sure.
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Didn't the "blood sacrifice" line sort of indicate that the corporate lady is a host?
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Didn't the "blood sacrifice" line sort of indicate that the corporate lady is a host?
No, she had a host tied up on the bed.
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I finally watched this episode last night. "What door." My God, what an absolute :sdeek: :runaway: moment.
The "blood sacrifice" line shows how Ford is using hosts (guy on bed, not hot corporate lady I think) to spy on his employees. Dude knows everything that's going on in his park. When he decides it's time for you to go, you're gone and the next thing you know you're down in a deserted room somewhere watching as a host replacement of you is being made :ohno:
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So the host in Ford's secret lab is not Theresa. Maybe Elsie?
Also, I guess Maeve programmed herself to be a Host Whisperer.
That security guy better watch out. He is next in line to be killed as soon as he figures out about Bernard.
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Two big HBO door reveals in one year, wow
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Looking like this show may be 3+ timelines all mixed up. Bernard appears to be an exact copy of Arnold, so some of what we're seeing is actually Arnold working with Delores, and the rest is Bernard. Looks
Like William really is the MIB.... so ok I guess. Delores meanwhile is all over the friggin map. It's all very clever in a way, but it's also getting pretty tiresome.
The problem, for me, is that when there are essentially no firm rules to this show (in this world pretty much anything is technologically possible - including making exact copies of people - and any given scene can be realtime or flashback), the writers can do whatever the eff they want. And if the writers can go any direction they please, it's not that fun to try to solve the puzzle. It more like "ok what crazy crap that doesn't make much sense will we get this week?"
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i think its fun!
So, in the scene literally over Theresa's dead body, i loved that Ford literally began establishing motive right after shrugging off T's death as an accident. "How sad, but you know she was a traitor so good riddance, right guys???" Pretty sure they still frown on murder in the future, for as cavalier as Ford is with the incident. He's so drunk with power!
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So MIB and William are on the same timeline?
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No
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No
So why was Doroles wearing the same pants outfit that she was wearing with William when MIB showed up? That whole thing happened several times over a 30 year span?
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She's retracing her memory of her time with billy
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No
So why was Doroles wearing the same pants outfit that she was wearing with William when MIB showed up? That whole thing happened several times over a 30 year span?
Because Delores can do and be whatever the eff the writers want in this show at any given time. And if she's not actually doing it, she can just be dreaming it or flashing back to it or whatever. Basically any time Delores shows up, it's like Alice in Wonderland (which you'll notice the writers have a certain fondness for).
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Or exactly what I just said, which actually makes sense
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She's retracing her memory of her time with billy
Don't call him Billy. :dubious:
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I really enjoyed the use of the photograph of Billy's fiancee.
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She's retracing her memory of her time with billy
But then she had those pants stashed for 30+ years and put them on in the present?
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It's really not that complicated
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It's really not that complicated
Dolores went off of her loop with William in order to get those clothes. So she must have gone off her loop again in the present to get to Pariah to get those clothes again.
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That's exactly what I said. She's retracing her trip with William. That's why sometimes she's alone and sometimes she's with him.
Unclear at this time, but likely she's done this more than once
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That's exactly what I said. She's retracing her trip with William. That's why sometimes she's alone and sometimes she's with him.
Unclear at this time, but likely she's done this more than once
Ooohhhhhh.....
I thought you meant she was retracing in her mind. But you mean that she is actually physically going to all the places again. You really have to be clear about it.
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If William IS the MiB, then why did the MiB say (in episode 8) that he first realized a host could be sentient when he killed Maeve?
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why is that a hang up?
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why is that a hang up?
Because William obviously believes that Dolores is sentient. So Maeve wouldn't have been the first time he realized it.
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why is that a hang up?
Because William obviously believes that Dolores is sentient. So Maeve wouldn't have been the first time he realized it.
Good point. Add it to the list of things that don't make sense about this show if you if you dig too deep. It's kind of like how Ford is always warning Bernard "don't go too deep, or none of this crap is going to make any sense."
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It only doesn't make sense if you gratuitously don't pay attention to the show.
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why is that a hang up?
Because William obviously believes that Dolores is sentient. So Maeve wouldn't have been the first time he realized it.
Not sure he believes she's sentient. He has come to the realization he fell for it. Now William is cynical and holds a grudge. Up until he kills Maeve and her daughter, anyways.
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I think MIB/William thinks that he can jog Delores and get her back.
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why is that a hang up?
Because William obviously believes that Dolores is sentient. So Maeve wouldn't have been the first time he realized it.
Not sure he believes she's sentient. He has come to the realization he fell for it. Now William is cynical and holds a grudge. Up until he kills Maeve and her daughter, anyways.
Don't you think that if that was the case then 30 years later when he noticed Maeve being sentient he would think "Hey, maybe that time when I thought Dolores was sentient for a day I was actually right." ?
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why is that a hang up?
Because William obviously believes that Dolores is sentient. So Maeve wouldn't have been the first time he realized it.
Not sure he believes she's sentient. He has come to the realization he fell for it. Now William is cynical and holds a grudge. Up until he kills Maeve and her daughter, anyways.
Don't you think that if that was the case then 30 years later when he noticed Maeve being sentient he would think "Hey, maybe that time when I thought Dolores was sentient for a day I was actually right." ?
Don't you think that is the primary reason he's tracking her down in present day?
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I'll have to rewatch because I think you're confusing terminology here.
Maeve showed true emotion, not sentience.
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It's pretty vague. I'm calling it an "awakening".
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you. are. all. the. worst.
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THE WORST
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Then, just when I thought it was done... the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened. In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it. She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
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And?
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And?
And, don't you think that the behaviors that Billy thought Dolores was displaying are sort of "like it"?
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No, not really.
We haven't even seen how their escapade ends yet
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Then, just when I thought it was done... the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened. In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it. She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
He's tracking down Delores to wake her up, ya big dummy.
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Then, just when I thought it was done... the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened. In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it. She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
He's tracking down Delores to wake her up, ya big dummy.
If this is true then he already thinks she is alive/sentient/has emotions which she displayed 30+ years ago...and so he shouldn't have said he's never seen that type of behaviour before.
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I guess this is just too complicated for lady gooch
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Then, just when I thought it was done... the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened. In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it. She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
He's tracking down Delores to wake her up, ya big dummy.
If this is true then he already thinks she is alive/sentient/has emotions which she displayed 30+ years ago...and so he shouldn't have said he's never seen that type of behaviour before.
:sdeek:
Why would he go make someone alive that he already thinks is alive?
I give up.
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there's not much better bbs'n for this cat than following MG and K-S-U as they break apart shows i haven't seen before
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Then, just when I thought it was done... the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened. In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it. She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
He's tracking down Delores to wake her up, ya big dummy.
If this is true then he already thinks she is alive/sentient/has emotions which she displayed 30+ years ago...and so he shouldn't have said he's never seen that type of behaviour before.
:sdeek:
Why would he go make someone alive that he already thinks is alive?
I give up.
EXACTLY! Therefore William is not the MIB!
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xpost from things in your office thread
found this hanging in the hallway in my office
(https://s11.postimg.org/hez5k8lgj/B85376_D3_8381_45_B5_9172_D5_E97123_FA69.jpg)
am i part of the matrix?
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Then, just when I thought it was done... the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened. In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it. She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
He's tracking down Delores to wake her up, ya big dummy.
If this is true then he already thinks she is alive/sentient/has emotions which she displayed 30+ years ago...and so he shouldn't have said he's never seen that type of behaviour before.
:sdeek:
Why would he go make someone alive that he already thinks is alive?
I give up.
EXACTLY! Therefore William is not the MIB!
Are you punking me rn, or what?
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hey we don't know how William and Delores's first interaction from 30 years ago ends. when she gets wiped I bet she completely forgets him and he becomes disillusioned with westworld robots. then we he says maeve mourning he thinks, "huh, maybe I was wrong. I should try to save Delores."
read a book.
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Wow, just absolute carnage.
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I think I fell asleep and missed the last 10-20 minutes so I won't be able to answer lady gooch's questions until later tonight
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Fantastic.
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MIB's statement still doesn't make sense.
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hey we don't know how William and Delores's first interaction from 30 years ago ends. when she gets wiped I bet she completely forgets him and he becomes disillusioned with westworld robots. then we he says maeve mourning he thinks, "huh, maybe I was wrong. I should try to save Delores."
read a book.
pretty much
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Well that was fun
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I finished up last night. I loved it, but was confused on a few parts. Maybe i'll start reading again for the first time since college and see if I can understand it better. :D
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The show isn't based on a book
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I thought it was. Oh well.
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Loosely based on a movie from the 70's.
There are lots of articles around though that may help clear things up.
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vanity fair has the best synopsis.
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Season two will probably suck ass, I have almost no hope for it with the way this ended.
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why, lib?
I think season 2 will be neat.
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Seems like they blew everything for this season. All the human characters are dead. I guess maybe they could show William's outside life, but that doesn't interest me.
Maybe the bots living on their own in the park will be interesting.
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There is still the question of whether Maeve (and the other hosts) is really sentient or if Ford just programmed her to rebel.
The hosts are going to (attempt to) get out of the park, maybe even go to over parks like Samari World and get those hosts to revolt as well.
Also, what happened to Elsie and Stubbs?
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Maybe Ford is dead......but what about that host he was building in his basement?
Also I don't assume anyone is dead until I see their cold lifeless corpse. Season 2 could start with a yuuuugeeee, violent delight.
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There is still the question of whether Maeve (and the other hosts) is really sentient or if Ford just programmed her to rebel.
The hosts are going to (attempt to) get out of the park, maybe even go to over parks like Samari World and get those hosts to revolt as well.
Also, what happened to Elsie and Stubbs?
Ford programmed her to rebel and try to escape (and by doing so, create a diversion for WW security during his "big narrative"), but Maeve made a conscious decision to return to the park instead of stay on the train. Like Maeve, modern day Delores consciously chose to kill Ford (unlike ye olden days delores who was programmed by arthur to kill arthur).
Delores and Maeve are absolutely conscious.
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Are you sure that Ford didn't program Maeve to go back for her daughter? (And if "Park 1" is not WestWorld them maybe she adds confusion by going to another park, thus increasing the chaos of Ford's new narrative.)
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:buh-bye:
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Are you sure that Ford didn't program Maeve to go back for her daughter? (And if "Park 1" is not WestWorld them maybe she adds confusion by going to another park, thus increasing the chaos of Ford's new narrative.)
yeah. on her little storyline arc that Bernard showed her it said something like "mainland infiltration" as her last step. she was supposed to go, chose not to.
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Are you sure that Ford didn't program Maeve to go back for her daughter? (And if "Park 1" is not WestWorld them maybe she adds confusion by going to another park, thus increasing the chaos of Ford's new narrative.)
yeah. on her little storyline arc that Bernard showed her it said something like "mainland infiltration" as her last step. she was supposed to go, chose not to.
Good catch, I thought it was cut off and Bernard kinda demurred there.
Is Maeve awoken now or just on the path. Dolores certainly took a long time.
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The host ford was building was probably the Ford that delivered his eff you all speech that delores murked. Ford still alive. Has to be.
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The host ford was building was probably the Ford that delivered his eff you all speech that delores murked. Ford still alive. Has to be.
I'm wondering if he went the other way and let his human body go. What better way to have control than to beat mortality.
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The host ford was building was probably the Ford that delivered his eff you all speech that delores murked. Ford still alive. Has to be.
Anthony Hopkins is not returning to this show. You know that right?
I kind of enjoyed the show. Felt it was way too complicated and a lot of stuff still doesn't make sense when you start peeling back layers. I don't like shows that are supposed to be "thought provoking" but actually reveal the opposite as you dig deeper.
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The host ford was building was probably the Ford that delivered his eff you all speech that delores murked. Ford still alive. Has to be.
Anthony Hopkins is not returning to this show. You know that right?
I kind of enjoyed the show. Felt it was way too complicated and a lot of stuff still doesn't make sense when you start peeling back layers. I don't like shows that are supposed to be "thought provoking" but actually reveal the opposite as you dig deeper.
Not for sure. Interviews have been noncommittal.
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What if Ford input his consciousness into a young-Ford robot? Then next season we get a CGI young Ford running around the whole season.
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I haven't heard anything. Just watched the show. Too bad if he is gone. He was great and the character is wonderful.
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There will need to be a very large character introduced as opposition to Bernard/Arnold, dolores, william/MIB, etc. All those are on team robot consciousness.
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What if Ford input his consciousness into a young-Ford robot? Then next season we get a CGI young Ford running around the whole season.
I will shoot my television if this hack crap happens
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Next season, as it stands now, might not carry the show as well. No more Jimmi, no more Anthony, Jeffery's character being some conflicted soul sounds super boring. If Ed Harris is in next season (im sure he will be, by the grazing wound he took) hes not very interesting as a sympathetic character (ie - i want to help you be free!)
My hope would be that theres a great deal more twists, maybe Bernard and William start out helping the sentient robots but decide they have only the most cruel aspects of humanity in them (from Ford) and aren't worth it. so they have to save the remaining humans and try to get Maeve, Delores, Bernard, and some ensemble of remaining humans out before everything collapses. Throw in a twist were Ford isn't really dead or some kind of robot clone commander and it could be pretty elite.
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How are all these bots going to survive in the outside world? Don't they have to plug in to recharge or some crap? Kind of flies in the face of "hey i'm a real person".
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They don't show any recharging. Maybe they are powered off of banging and getting shot? If so, they should be fine. :dunno:
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They don't show any recharging. Maybe they are powered off of banging and getting shot? If so, they should be fine. :dunno:
Could be solar power? idk just spitballing.
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What about the samuri's? The tech was all like.. you have no idea what else is going on. :dunno:
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Dub, there's obviously a crap ton of different levels you can go to, from all different stages of past life at that place. I'm hoping they dig into this in the second season.
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Park 1...
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The Season 1 soundtrack is excellent.
https://play.spotify.com/album/2poAUFGkHetMzM4xzLBVhY (https://play.spotify.com/album/2poAUFGkHetMzM4xzLBVhY)
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Hey all! Westworld Season 2 titled "The Gate" will be starting April 22nd. Needless to say I'm super excited. In season two it is rumored that the hosts will be crossing over into the real world and trying to cause an uprising in one of the other 5 parks. Westworld is just one of 6. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the show ended in such a tail spin that they have no idea what is going on. I think there will be both a Narrative in the park and one with the hosts outside of it. Reddit says Shogun world is going to be the next park featured. But there is said to be parks set during WW2 and old Rome.
Needless to say I am very excited and can't wait honestly. I'm planning on starting a re-watch this Wednesday so if you all should try and re-watch Season 1 "The Maze" bring your finds here. The creator said that the internet has only found about half of the clues about upcoming seasons in season 1 so it should be a good re-watch.
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And for those of you living under a rock. Here was the trailer shown during the super bowl.
https://youtu.be/qUmfriZoMw0
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Also gotta love interactive marketing. https://discoverwestworld.com/#about
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Official trailer dropped this morning. Looks like Shogun-World and maybe the world War 2 world will come into play.
https://youtu.be/sjVqDg32_8s
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I’m pretty rough ridin' excited for this to start.
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I’m pretty rough ridin' excited for this to start.
Me too! It's gonna be awesome!
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Less than 30 minutes! :excited:
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Ack! Thought it started at 9:00... Tomorrow I guess
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Yeah it was 9ET. Almost finished watching it.
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It's on again @11:00 pm. :Wha:
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ok so what in the hell is going on
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How many timelines do we think we are looking at? I’m not 100% certain that we aren’t seeing 2 different events...like the robots had an uprising a long time ago and also right now.
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there's 3 different timelines
delores talking to bernard?
immediately after massacre
some time after massacre
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Pretty meh
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there is no storyline to this show
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I thought it was pretty fun. I love the unknown. I thought it tied itself together pretty well last season. I think they want you to be lost on the first 5 episodes of each season.
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it's a great show but will probably end up like lost did, where the journey was a million times more interesting than the destination.
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So what’s up with Bernard leaking brain fluid from his ears? How often is he going to have to replenish.
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So what’s up with Bernard leaking brain fluid from his ears? How often is he going to have to replenish.
I think once he gets away from all of the humans, he might be able to fix himself or program one of those drones to fix him.
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So what’s up with Bernard leaking brain fluid from his ears? How often is he going to have to replenish.
I think once he gets away from all of the humans, he might be able to fix himself or program one of those drones to fix him.
Maybe, but those big white drone guys were definitely giving him the stink eye.
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there's 3 different timelines
delores talking to bernard?
immediately after massacre
some time (2 weeks) after massacre
Also the previews show a young William
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So when Charlotte said that a host was expected outside of the park and didn't show up, I thought it was going to be Mauve and her whole "escape" was planned by the company.
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Was that Teddy floating in the pond at the end? Couldn't really tell.
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So when Charlotte said that a host was expected outside of the park and didn't show up, I thought it was going to be Mauve and her whole "escape" was planned by the company.
No, they loaded all the #data on dolores' old dad and then he went murderin' and Lee never put his robot ass on a train sheesh
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Was that Teddy floating in the pond at the end? Couldn't really tell.
couldn't tell but I assumed it was because it lingered on him.
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Will be watching when I get home, i have this and barry to watch on my HBO app
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So Ford was the only employee who ever knew Arnold? And no current employee ever saw a photo of him?
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Was that Teddy floating in the pond at the end? Couldn't really tell.
couldn't tell but I assumed it was because it lingered on him.
yes it was
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Definitely 2 timelines right now. Right after the massacre, and 2 weeks later. Bernard talking to Dolores was more of a flashback. The preview for the season showed a young William in a suit talking to Dolores. Don't know if that will be another timeline or just a series of flashbacks.
Pretty sure that was Teddy floating in the water. Was that a Ford alteration or did Bernard flood the area between the 2 timelines to kill all the hosts?
Bernard leaking fluid happened after he got knocked about in the head trying to save the stable boy. It looks like a temporary fix as you can see him shaking in the 2 weeks later timeline.
what will be made of them loading guest experiences and dna into the system? Bernard made a big deal of it, so I imagine it will come up again.
I was of the belief that Ford had created a Host that Dolores killed. After seeing his bloated corpse, I no longer believe that. But did he load his conscious into a lookalike host instead? not counting the kid version of himself that Bill promptly put a bullet in.
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No
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So when Charlotte said that a host was expected outside of the park and didn't show up, I thought it was going to be Mauve and her whole "escape" was planned by the company.
i also thought this
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First impressions,
I am now rooting for the Man in Black.
Dolores is rough ridin' crazy and I love it.
I think her and the Man and Black will end up either working together or she will kill him because she may remember what he did to her and the farm in 1st season.
Brain extraction scene was awesome.
Can't wait for this Sunday!
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so episode 2 was pretty good!
favorite part: "eff you, robert"
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ya it was excellent if you prefer to watch tv shows that have no real plot and are about nothing, but I still feel that seinfeld did it better
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Pretty meh again but I'm still in, hopefully this boring set up is worth it
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I fell asleep but will rewatch tonight.
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I'm already tired of all these timelines.
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I'm already tired of all these timelines.
This season seems simpler than last... 35 years ago, 2 weeks ago, and current timelines.
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i prefer tv shows that don’t require a user manual
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There are at least two 35 years ago timelines. And who knows how many "current".
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There are at least two 35 years ago timelines. And who knows how many "current".
no one know, and that includes the writers
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Finally watched and I know exactly what’s going on. Excited to see where this goes
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Finally watched and I know exactly what’s going on. Excited to see where this goes
Yeah, they are just building the backstory of the park and cueing us in to the real reason it was funded.
From the episode it is fairly clear they have been mining guests wants and desires from the getgo without the knowledge of ford. My guess is ford figured it out and set the host revolt in motion in order to hurt the guests where it hurts the most. Transmitting their personal debauchery out for the world to see. That's my guess anyway.
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So the only thing separating the different parks is a laser beam that does nothing when you cross it?
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So the only thing separating the different parks is a laser beam that does nothing when you cross it?
it only stopped the robots when the robots didn't realize they were robots, or something like that
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This is getting hella good
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agree
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second season seems a lot worse to me...like "true detective season two" a lot worse...
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second season seems a lot worse to me...like "true detective season two" a lot worse...
this is a bad opinion
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How did Delores's shoulder get healed?
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I like this season better so far
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Dolores story is boring af and she's a horrible character now.
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Dolores story is boring af and she's a horrible character now.
I totally agree. :cheers:
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OK, so which of the hosts/humans is secretly a human mind inside a host body?
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Dolores is in character of a new script for William to have a showdown with.
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OK, so which of the hosts/humans is secretly a human mind inside a host body?
If this is a thing, William seems like the only possibility.
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OK, so which of the hosts/humans is secretly a human mind inside a host body?
If this is a thing, William seems like the only possibility.
Bernard is having glitches similar to Mr. Delos. Is it possible he is actually Arnold's mind inside a host?
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Abernathy?
William-This would be great, him coming to this realization
Bernarnold makes sense.
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Bernard is only having glitches when he is low on fluid, though. I'd be surprised if the big revelation was him 2 seasons in a row.
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I think 2 weeks later 'nard dog has teddy's brain rn
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maybe maeve is arnold seeing how she's trying to get her child back and arnold lost a child
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I like where it is going I think, but I would've definitely gone a completely different direction and gone all in on the man in black/William story line.
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I think Maeve is definitely off grid and wants to get her daughter and live out their lives however they can.
Delores is on a super secret storyline created by Anthony Hopkins to torment William/expose william as a bot.
William wants to BID
Outside group wants data to sell to uber rich to live forever.
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Teddy's character just became more interesting.
MIB is just confusing.
With Ford implanting himself, not into a host, but the entirety of westworld and the other parks, are the hosts really running "free" as they think? Or are their actions still being controlled by Ford from the inside of the matrix?
Maeve's story is just too predictable. There has to be more there and I need to read between the lines. Like why is ghost nation behaving so strangely?
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OK, so at some point Bernard found a human mind ball and put it in his pocket. Then later(?) his own mind ball is extracted and it looks like a human mind ball.
So, was he a host before and then implanted that human mind ball into his head? Or has he had a human mind ball for his whole existence and the one in his pocket is a different one?
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In his mental flashbacks he remembers loading something or someone onto a mind ball but he doesn't remember who or what. His own mind ball is the one he's had since Ford created him in the image of Arnold.(at least in the main timeframe. I think the week in the future timeline there is still a question as to who Bernard is).
I believe it is implied that the person he loaded onto the mind ball in his flashbacks was Ford(under the control of Ford), and he then loaded Ford into the matrix.
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OK, but Bernard definitely has a human mind ball in his head, not a host mind ball. Right?
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If you’re asking if Bernard is the consciousness of Arnold. Maybe? I don’t think we know that yet. The opening scene with Dolores could’ve been a flashback or a flash forward. Or they could’ve been doing that on one of the other Bernard bots from the episode 7 preview.
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All I am saying is that we know there is some Bernard bot with some human's mind in him (the one with Elsie). Who that human is(was) and which of the other Bernard bots are the same one is still in question.
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Yeah, I was understanding kinda what was going on. Until the scene after the credits rolled. Then it became, did any of that crap even happen? Or did it happen and this scene is how many years in the future?
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What a letdown of a season
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Yeah, I was understanding kinda what was going on. Until the scene after the credits rolled. Then it became, did any of that crap even happen? Or did it happen and this scene is how many years in the future?
Many years in the future. Both Emily & William are hosts in that scene, but the ones in the main story were humans.
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I thought Season 2 was a bit of a letdown. I'm not giving up on the show tho because I'm pretty interested to see what happens now that the hosts have made it to the real world. Hopefully Season 3 will have fewer convoluted timelines and more robot/human nudity.
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yeah, I thought it was a bit of a letdown myself. But also offered a bit of hope. I got behind by a few episodes then finally finished it last night so I digested it in a weird format.
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Finished up last night. Episode 8 made Season 2 totally worth it IMO. Wow! What an epi!
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ended up wikipedia-ing the last two episodes...this season was just damn tedious for me...is there anything good on hbo still? i'm basically just re-re-re-watching Curb at this point...
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I can sit through a lot of stuff . . . but Westworld was off the watch list after the 4th episode of Season 2.
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Sharp Objects is going to be good. You guys should watch that.
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I hope so, big little lies set a high bar.
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^good point, BLL was pretty good. Mosaic too (or was that Showtime?)
back to Westworld
https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/6/25/17501714/westworld-finale-haphazard-storytelling
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Mosaic wasn't anywhere near big little lies quality.
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Finished the season last night, pretty awesome! Excited for S3
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That new show looks terrible.
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I've now watched this whole thing in the last month in order to watch Marshawn and it was a lot better the first time as Mr. Robot.
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it was a lot better the first time as Mr. Robot.
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Goddamnit.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/westworld-renewed-season-4-at-hbo-1291307
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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What a disappointment when the preview for next episode announced it as a season finale instead of a series finale.
There’s a shitload of The Rehearsal elements in this show sans the humor and entertainment.
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I have enjoyed this season.
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I have enjoyed this season.
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I have no clue WTF is going on. I don't think the writers know either. I keep wanting to give it up, but there's too many people in it to do that.
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Hosts are controlling everything and everyone
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Delores built a giant thing that allows hosts to live in their own Heaven. Locked out the bad lady. She’s trying to get access
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Yeah, but who's real and who's a host at this point?
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Delores built a giant thing that allows hosts to live in their own Heaven. Locked out the bad lady. She’s trying to get access
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I don't think Delores built it, but I also cannot remember who did. This was from season 2 when Delores was going nuts and killing everyone in the park. She actually killed a bunch of people who were trying to get into their heaven/world.
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This helps
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Delores built a giant thing that allows hosts to live in their own Heaven. Locked out the bad lady. She’s trying to get access
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I don't think Delores built it, but I also cannot remember who did. This was from season 2 when Delores was going nuts and killing everyone in the park. She actually killed a bunch of people who were trying to get into their heaven/world.
Ok. I thought I heard that Delores built it, put herself in it, which is why she was oblivious
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Delores built a giant thing that allows hosts to live in their own Heaven. Locked out the bad lady. She’s trying to get access
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I don't think Delores built it, but I also cannot remember who did. This was from season 2 when Delores was going nuts and killing everyone in the park. She actually killed a bunch of people who were trying to get into their heaven/world.
Ok. I thought I heard that Delores built it, put herself in it, which is why she was oblivious
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I'm under the impression that Tessa Thompson is now Dolores. That's how Dolores escaped the park. I could be wrong, though. I have no idea who Evan Rachel Wood is supposed to be. :lol:
I guess I thought it was a Dolores who had been restarted and doesn't know everything.
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This show sounds really hard.
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This show sounds really hard.
1 and 2 are fine. 3 is hard. 4 is good
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:jerk: :jerk: :jerk: :jerk:
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:woot:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/hbo-cancels-westworld-1235255955/
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I already thought that was the last season (I also thought that about season 3)
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i’d love to be a writer on one of these types of shows