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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: sys on September 28, 2016, 10:23:05 PM
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As Trump has tapped into a dissatisfaction with the political status quo in the US, his stance toward Mexico appears to have bolstered the position of a Mexican presidential candidate who has the same anti-establishment appeal.
Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, often referred to as AMLO, has twice run for Mexico's presidency, losing narrowly in 2006 and again by 6 points to Peña Nieto in 2012 — and he's set to run again in 2018.
'If Trump were to win ... Lopez Obrador would have a field day"
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-and-populism-in-mexico-2016-8
i know none of you care about mexico, but this would be a disaster. amlo is a megalomaniac that either can't or doesn't care to distinguish truth from fiction. a cross between trump and chavez.
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unfortunately, some people think you have to fight fire with fire.
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is he like that Filipino guy? dude is nuts!
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If he's elected that Secure Border Fence Act that Sen. Hillary Clinton voted a resounding YES on, may need to be dusted off.
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“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants.” Sen. Hillary Clinton on WABC Radio.
I don't think we have much to worry about. Hillary will take care of securing the border.
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Does the elected government in Mexico really have a ton of power? I thought the cartel ran the joint.
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is he like that Filipino guy? dude is nuts!
I have a few Filipino facebook friends and they love that guy and post articles about him all the time! And he's crazy!
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Mexico's Gary Johnson with a personality.
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Does the elected government in Mexico really have a ton of power? I thought the cartel ran the joint.
they have a federal system, like the us, but their federal level is proportionally stronger and the states weaker.
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you're right sys, i don't really care
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you're right sys, i don't really care
i bet you enjoyed that dax immediately posted about clinton in a mexican politics thread though.
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i didn't mean to imply that i don't care about this thread
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is he like that Filipino guy? dude is nuts!
I have a few Filipino facebook friends and they love that guy and post articles about him all the time! And he's crazy!
Seems like Duarte will let you, as a private citizen, shoot pretty much whoever you want as long as you tell the cops afterward that they tried to sell you drugs. I can't believe that country hasn't turned in to the "He's coming right at me!" hunting episode of South Park yet.
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Sounds like the squawks would love this AMLO guy.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-03/mexico-has-its-own-fiery-populist-trump-may-put-him-in-power
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Dax needs to rip Barry now to complete the bump
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Does the elected government in Mexico really have a ton of power? I thought the cartel ran the joint.
I was on trade mission once, and was told by a guy who's family has corona beer that 10 families control everything.
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https://www.economist.com/news/americas/21737291-modernising-presidential-candidate-has-best-chance-defeating-left-wing
amlo is way up in the polls, but if the priistas fall in with pan, he can be stopped. seems unlikely, but it's the only way. the election is in july.
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Which one won't leave office a billionaire? That's the one they should vote for.
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A politician who is poor is a poor politician
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Investors are running away from Mexican stocks as leftist pulls ahead in the polls
Mexico's benchmark stock index, the S&P/BMV IPC, plummeted 7.6 percent in May, marking its biggest one-month decline since February 2009. The move lower in Mexican stocks comes as Lopez Obrador, better known as AMLO, extended his lead over his opponents last month. "There was an expectation that he would win, but that he would have a check from other parties in congress," notes an analyst from UBS. "If he wins by a landslide, it is a given that his party, Morena, will get significant participation in congress. It's not clear that they will get the 51 percent majority, but it's certainly possible," he says.
it seems like pretty much a done deal now. he's ran as much more of a moderate than he has in the past (also basically refusing to say anything in the debate i watched), we'll see what he does when he's in office.
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You watched the Mexican presidential debate? You must be second language fluent
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i watched one of them. i used to be pretty fluent, i've gotten much worse since living in the us full time.
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Is putin meddling down there too?
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Is putin meddling down there too?
i doubt it. or they might be, but they don't need to be. amlo has had a base of support for decades, and with the other parties essentially discrediting each other over the last couple of presidential cycles the general view, or at least a majority view is that there's no other viable option. there's also a shift towards him because he's represented an anti-american, nafta-sceptical view for decades and for obvious reasons, that appeals to voters right not.
also voters are weird. my wife just decided she's going to vote for amlo because he's going to win anyways. she's been talking about how bad he is for years.
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Is putin meddling down there too?
Is there a candidate he has chosen like Trump?
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this is a good profile of north america's newest president.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/06/25/a-new-revolution-in-mexico
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AMLO will be a billionaire within a few years.
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lol. rough ridin' amlo, man.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32202/mexican-prez-candidate-calls-mass-exodus-us-paul-bois
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never mind, it was a poor translation.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/25/blog-posting/mexico-presidential-candidate-call-immigration/
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WHAT A NOBLE GESTURE for the Mexican presidential candidate to defend the right of his own citizens and those Mexico itself is denying asylum to, to seek asylum in the USA.
What a piece of crap and idiotic thing to say.
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https://www.economist.com/briefing/2018/06/23/how-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-will-remake-mexico
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/mexico-obrador-election-trump-nafta-pena-nieto/563993/
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http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-election-20180701-story.html
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Great c&p dax
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nice article. thanks for sharing it, dax.
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it was a bloodbath. he can legitimately claim a mandate. and he looks like he'll have the majority in the house to deliver on it.
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this is not good.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-airport/what-is-next-for-mexico-city-airport-after-mega-project-axed-idUSKCN1N51BQ
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Entire swaths of that nation are owned by murderous thugs.
Sysbot is a facilitator of that reality
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couple of good articles before the coming elections.
https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1399402715378339849
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1399342165277515777
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I saw an headline recently about 20+ politicians running being assassinated. The opening to the story was someone just getting clipped in broad daylight. Until the US legalizes drugs I don't see Mexican politics being normal.
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yeah, it's not getting better.
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I saw an headline recently about 20+ politicians running being assassinated. The opening to the story was someone just getting clipped in broad daylight. Until the US legalizes drugs I don't see Mexican politics being normal.
Post the article, Kat kid
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All gEer's for legalized Crystal Meth, heroin and Fentanyl please respond below.
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Tax that crap. Let's go.
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We got some good tax revenue off those addicts (IPA4Me)
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In, legalize it.
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Worth a try
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Hey honey I'm going to drop by Home Depot and then run by the Fentanyl store on the way back, do you need anything.
Gosh honey, it's just so great we can try not to overdose on Fentanyl whenever we want!
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Might as well make money on the addicts. See tobacco and alcohol.
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But we got that tax revenue
https://twitter.com/swaggy_kai/status/1399378118125699087?s=21
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Known nanny-stater dax just hates personal freedom.
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Prohibition next.
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https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-mexico-44a3ff18231dd1e735cd81f3db71e763 (https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-mexico-44a3ff18231dd1e735cd81f3db71e763)
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Legalize the most dangerous and deadly drugs in the world. If people OD, I don’t GAF cus freedom (ProgFascist.7 . . . defending personal freedom at every turn . . . But only if it’s in lockstep with his political dogma and personal belief system , if not, Federalize all authority over it)
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95,000 people die every year from alcohol.
79,000 from drug overdose.
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I'm pretty sure that no one here expected Dax to be the life of the party.
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Fentanyl: When Bucket wants to be the life of the party
Here for the Fentanyl/alcohol comparisons
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The comparison isn't between no one OD'ing and people OD'ing from a legal substance. The comparison is how much death and destroyed lives we can prevent by decriminalization, regulated markets, and treatment for addicts.
We already have a ton of ODs because people don't know what they are taking and we have a ton of deaths and destroyed lives from the drug war. Several people on this board think we can do better, you seem content with the status quo. That's fine, but you should look at what that actually is.
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I think many of us are simply glossing over what goes without saying: decriminalization and/or legalization would and should naturally be coupled with a robust addiction treatment program to help people struggling with addiction rather than turning them into criminals.
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One thing for sure. While we work on decriminalizing and ensuring easy access to the most dangerous street drugs in the world. We should keep making it easy for the cartels to get it into the country.
Gonna stick around and wait for the confiscation anecdotes.
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If opium/Percocet/hydrocodone were legally available and regulated you wouldn’t have all the accidental fentanyl ODs because people mis-dose on a drug with a tiny window of safe use. If you were renting those Bird scooters and occasionally you got one that went 110 miles per hour and the brakes didn’t work, but you had now way of knowing until you got moving, we’d have a shitload of scooter deaths all of a sudden.
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Drugs need to be more efficient at killing people.
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Amaze x 2
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I think many of us are simply glossing over what goes without saying: decriminalization and/or legalization would and should naturally be coupled with a robust addiction treatment program to help people struggling with addiction rather than turning them into criminals.
Yes!
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Turning addicts into criminals and facilitating addicts by either having :lol: :lol: lax border control and/or legalizing the most dangerous street drugs in the world are actually two different things. Addicts should never be considered criminals nor should addicts be enabled by easy access to dangerous drugs.
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Addicts already have easy access to dangerous drugs. The drug war is 40+ years old, do you think everyone was just pretending to fight it? So what is your solution?
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A border wall
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De-criminalize addiction and increase interdiction at the border multi-fold.
Also enable the Mexican government to break up the cartels, probably too late for that, though.
Some of you are clearly co-mingling drugs like pot with vastly more dangerous drugs. You'll of course deny this.
Drugs like CM, Fentanyl and Heroin should never be legalized.
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De-criminalize addiction and increase interdiction at the border multi-fold.
Also enable the Mexican government to break up the cartels, probably too late for that, though.
Some of you are clearly co-mingling drugs like pot with vastly more dangerous drugs. You'll of course deny this.
Drugs like CM, Fentanyl and Heroin should never be legalized.
Right but how? The issue is demand and illicit profits, until you destroy that I don't know how you can effectively do the bolded part, so be sure to weigh the hundreds of thousands killed in the Mexican drug war and then the countless murders in the US because of the drug war to your count on which makes more sense.
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https://twitter.com/rdevro/status/1407023571545714690
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i don't think allowing recreational opioid use, for example, is a very good idea. injecting more legal, highly addictive and dangerous substances into society seems like maybe not a great plan, even if we do provide programs that allow addicts to get help if they want it.
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i don't think allowing recreational opioid use, for example, is a very good idea. injecting more legal, highly addictive and dangerous substances into society seems like maybe not a great plan, even if we do provide programs that allow addicts to get help if they want it.
You're being far too diplomatic. For a plan for legalized opioids to work, this would assume that opioid addicts are clear thinking, rational, and not at all driven by impulsivity. Addicts will still avoid rehab, no matter how readily available it could become. Addicts will still do rash things to get a fix, whether that's stealing, or harming others. Legalization of the drugs do nothing to lessen the effects of the drugs om the mind, body, loved ones, and just regular ol' citizens.
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i don't think allowing recreational opioid use, for example, is a very good idea. injecting more legal, highly addictive and dangerous substances into society seems like maybe not a great plan, even if we do provide programs that allow addicts to get help if they want it.
You're being far too diplomatic. For a plan for legalized opioids to work, this would assume that opioid addicts are clear thinking, rational, and not at all driven by impulsivity. Addicts will still avoid rehab, no matter how readily available it could become. Addicts will still do rash things to get a fix, whether that's stealing, or harming others. Legalization of the drugs do nothing to lessen the effects of the drugs om the mind, body, loved ones, and just regular ol' citizens.
Yes. I hate being a square (i don't hate it) but legalizing more harmful and addictive substances seems like a good way to get more people addicted to harmful substances. It may aid in cracking down on the border violence and the cartel in general, but it comes with its own host problems, that i'm not sure are better.
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rough ridin' squares
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this really sucks (thread).
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1628609969560977408
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https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/1628837840539860994
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:frown:
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it's not quite inevitable, but it's pretty likely that mexico will elect its first presidenta next year. the top two political coalitions are both fielding female candidates.
personal note - my wife worked for sheinbaum for a few months twentyish years ago.
https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1705038790643838982
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Is she cartel approved?
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I took one (1) year of spanish in HS and learned how to say Donde Esta La Cerveza (sp?) and called it a semester. a guy that works for my dad told me the "la" wasn't required but I still say it.