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Title: mexican politics
Post by: sys on September 28, 2016, 10:23:05 PM
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As Trump has tapped into a dissatisfaction with the political status quo in the US, his stance toward Mexico appears to have bolstered the position of a Mexican presidential candidate who has the same anti-establishment appeal.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, often referred to as AMLO, has twice run for Mexico's presidency, losing narrowly in 2006 and again by 6 points to Peña Nieto in 2012 — and he's set to run again in 2018.
'If Trump were to win ... Lopez Obrador would have a field day"

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-and-populism-in-mexico-2016-8


i know none of you care about mexico, but this would be a disaster.  amlo is a megalomaniac that either can't or doesn't care to distinguish truth from fiction.  a cross between trump and chavez.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: treysolid on September 28, 2016, 10:49:32 PM
unfortunately, some people think you have to fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2016, 01:23:35 AM
is he like that Filipino guy? dude is nuts!
Title: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 29, 2016, 06:14:20 AM
If he's elected that Secure Border Fence Act that Sen. Hillary Clinton voted a resounding YES on, may need to be dusted off.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 29, 2016, 06:26:45 AM
“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants.”  Sen. Hillary Clinton on WABC Radio.

I don't think we have much to worry about.  Hillary will take care of securing the border.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2016, 07:05:13 AM
Does the elected government in Mexico really have a ton of power?  I thought the cartel ran the joint.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: michigancat on September 29, 2016, 08:31:49 AM
is he like that Filipino guy? dude is nuts!
I have a few Filipino facebook friends and they love that guy and post articles about him all the time! And he's crazy!
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 29, 2016, 08:43:51 AM
Mexico's Gary Johnson with a personality.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on September 29, 2016, 02:25:31 PM
Does the elected government in Mexico really have a ton of power?  I thought the cartel ran the joint.

they have a federal system, like the us, but their federal level is proportionally stronger and the states weaker.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on September 29, 2016, 02:27:17 PM
you're right sys, i don't really care
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on September 29, 2016, 02:32:38 PM
you're right sys, i don't really care

i bet you enjoyed that dax immediately posted about clinton in a mexican politics thread though.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on September 29, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
i didn't mean to imply that i don't care about this thread
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: CNS on September 29, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
is he like that Filipino guy? dude is nuts!
I have a few Filipino facebook friends and they love that guy and post articles about him all the time! And he's crazy!

Seems like Duarte will let you, as a private citizen, shoot pretty much whoever you want as long as you tell the cops afterward that they tried to sell you drugs.  I can't believe that country hasn't turned in to the "He's coming right at me!" hunting episode of South Park yet. 
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: chum1 on September 29, 2016, 02:37:05 PM
Sounds like the squawks would love this AMLO guy.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on February 04, 2017, 04:10:20 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-03/mexico-has-its-own-fiery-populist-trump-may-put-him-in-power
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 04, 2017, 08:10:15 AM
Dax needs to rip Barry now to complete the bump
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: renocat on February 04, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
Does the elected government in Mexico really have a ton of power?  I thought the cartel ran the joint.
I was on trade mission once, and was told by a guy who's family has corona beer that 10 families control everything.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on February 25, 2018, 08:14:02 PM
https://www.economist.com/news/americas/21737291-modernising-presidential-candidate-has-best-chance-defeating-left-wing

amlo is way up in the polls, but if the priistas fall in with pan, he can be stopped.  seems unlikely, but it's the only way.  the election is in july.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 25, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Which one won't leave office a billionaire? That's the one they should vote for.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on February 25, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
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A politician who is poor is a poor politician
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 01, 2018, 06:37:15 PM
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Investors are running away from Mexican stocks as leftist pulls ahead in the polls

Mexico's benchmark stock index, the S&P/BMV IPC, plummeted 7.6 percent in May, marking its biggest one-month decline since February 2009. The move lower in Mexican stocks comes as Lopez Obrador, better known as AMLO, extended his lead over his opponents last month. "There was an expectation that he would win, but that he would have a check from other parties in congress," notes an analyst from UBS. "If he wins by a landslide, it is a given that his party, Morena, will get significant participation in congress. It's not clear that they will get the 51 percent majority, but it's certainly possible," he says.

it seems like pretty much a done deal now.  he's ran as much more of a moderate than he has in the past (also basically refusing to say anything in the debate i watched), we'll see what he does when he's in office.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2018, 10:15:30 AM
You watched the Mexican presidential debate?  You must be second language fluent
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 02, 2018, 01:46:51 PM
i watched one of them.  i used to be pretty fluent, i've gotten much worse since living in the us full time.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: wetwillie on June 02, 2018, 02:50:40 PM
Is putin meddling down there too?
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 02, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
Is putin meddling down there too?

i doubt it.  or they might be, but they don't need to be.  amlo has had a base of support for decades, and with the other parties essentially discrediting each other over the last couple of presidential cycles the general view, or at least a majority view is that there's no other viable option.  there's also a shift towards him because he's represented an anti-american, nafta-sceptical view for decades and for obvious reasons, that appeals to voters right not.

also voters are weird.  my wife just decided she's going to vote for amlo because he's going to win anyways.  she's been talking about how bad he is for years.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2018, 03:29:33 PM
Is putin meddling down there too?

Is there a candidate he has chosen like Trump?
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 11:34:53 AM
this is a good profile of north america's newest president.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/06/25/a-new-revolution-in-mexico
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 18, 2018, 01:06:06 PM
AMLO will be a billionaire within a few years.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 26, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
lol.  rough ridin' amlo, man.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32202/mexican-prez-candidate-calls-mass-exodus-us-paul-bois
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 26, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
never mind, it was a poor translation.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/25/blog-posting/mexico-presidential-candidate-call-immigration/
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 26, 2018, 01:14:39 PM
WHAT A NOBLE GESTURE for the Mexican presidential candidate to defend the right of his own citizens and those Mexico itself is denying asylum to, to seek asylum in the USA.

What a piece of crap and idiotic thing to say.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 28, 2018, 10:14:33 AM
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2018/06/23/how-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-will-remake-mexico
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 10:31:57 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/mexico-obrador-election-trump-nafta-pena-nieto/563993/
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-election-20180701-story.html
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on July 01, 2018, 03:23:34 PM
Great c&p dax
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on July 01, 2018, 03:38:57 PM
nice article.  thanks for sharing it, dax.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on July 02, 2018, 10:21:45 AM
it was a bloodbath.  he can legitimately claim a mandate.  and he looks like he'll have the majority in the house to deliver on it.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on November 02, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
this is not good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-airport/what-is-next-for-mexico-city-airport-after-mega-project-axed-idUSKCN1N51BQ
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 02, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Entire swaths of that nation are owned by murderous thugs.

Sysbot is a facilitator of that reality
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on May 31, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
couple of good articles before the coming elections.

https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1399402715378339849

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1399342165277515777
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Kat Kid on May 31, 2021, 01:37:16 PM
I saw an headline recently about 20+ politicians running being assassinated. The opening to the story was someone just getting clipped in broad daylight.  Until the US legalizes drugs I don't see Mexican politics being normal.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on May 31, 2021, 02:47:29 PM
yeah, it's not getting better.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 31, 2021, 04:41:35 PM
I saw an headline recently about 20+ politicians running being assassinated. The opening to the story was someone just getting clipped in broad daylight.  Until the US legalizes drugs I don't see Mexican politics being normal.

Post the article, Kat kid
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 07:32:00 AM
All gEer's for legalized Crystal Meth, heroin and Fentanyl please respond below.


Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: IPA4Me on June 01, 2021, 07:46:04 AM
Tax that crap. Let's go.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 07:56:30 AM
We got some good tax revenue off those addicts (IPA4Me)

Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2021, 08:31:43 AM
In, legalize it.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2021, 08:39:46 AM
Worth a try
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 09:09:01 AM
Hey honey I'm going to drop by Home Depot and then run by the Fentanyl store on the way back, do you need anything.

Gosh honey, it's just so great we can try not to overdose on Fentanyl whenever we want!

Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: IPA4Me on June 01, 2021, 09:37:58 AM
Might as well make money on the addicts. See tobacco and alcohol.
Title: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 09:56:17 AM
But we got that tax revenue

https://twitter.com/swaggy_kai/status/1399378118125699087?s=21
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2021, 12:12:58 PM
Known nanny-stater dax just hates personal freedom.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: IPA4Me on June 01, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
Prohibition next.

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Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Kat Kid on June 01, 2021, 02:53:04 PM
https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-mexico-44a3ff18231dd1e735cd81f3db71e763 (https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-mexico-44a3ff18231dd1e735cd81f3db71e763)
Title: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 03:18:14 PM
Legalize the most dangerous and deadly drugs in the world.  If people OD, I don’t GAF cus freedom (ProgFascist.7 . . . defending personal freedom at every turn . . . But only if it’s in lockstep with his political dogma and personal belief system , if not, Federalize all authority over it)
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: IPA4Me on June 01, 2021, 03:36:25 PM
95,000 people die every year from alcohol.

79,000 from drug overdose.



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Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: bucket on June 01, 2021, 05:13:05 PM
I'm pretty sure that no one here expected Dax to be the life of the party.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 08:36:00 PM
Fentanyl:  When Bucket wants to be the life of the party

Here for the Fentanyl/alcohol comparisons
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Kat Kid on June 01, 2021, 08:46:49 PM
The comparison isn't between no one OD'ing and people OD'ing from a legal substance.  The comparison is how much death and destroyed lives we can prevent by decriminalization, regulated markets, and treatment for addicts.

We already have a ton of ODs because people don't know what they are taking and we have a ton of deaths and destroyed lives from the drug war. Several people on this board think we can do better, you seem content with the status quo. That's fine, but you should look at what that actually is.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2021, 09:57:41 PM
I think many of us are simply glossing over what goes without saying: decriminalization and/or legalization would and should naturally be coupled with a robust addiction treatment program to help people struggling with addiction rather than turning them into criminals.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2021, 10:08:27 PM
One thing for sure.  While we work on decriminalizing and ensuring easy access to the most dangerous street drugs in the world.  We should keep making it easy for the cartels to get it into the country.

Gonna stick around and wait for the confiscation anecdotes.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2021, 10:51:45 PM
If opium/Percocet/hydrocodone were legally available and regulated you wouldn’t have all the accidental fentanyl ODs because people mis-dose on a drug with a tiny window of safe use.  If you were renting those Bird scooters and occasionally you got one that went 110 miles per hour and the brakes didn’t work, but you had now way of knowing until you got moving, we’d have a shitload of scooter deaths all of a sudden.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2021, 12:24:26 AM
Drugs need to be more efficient at killing people.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2021, 03:25:48 AM
Amaze x 2
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
I think many of us are simply glossing over what goes without saying: decriminalization and/or legalization would and should naturally be coupled with a robust addiction treatment program to help people struggling with addiction rather than turning them into criminals.

Yes!
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2021, 08:56:03 AM
Turning addicts into criminals and facilitating addicts by either having :lol: :lol: lax border control and/or legalizing the most dangerous street drugs in the world are actually two different things.   Addicts should never be considered criminals nor should addicts be enabled by easy access to dangerous drugs.



Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Kat Kid on June 02, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
Addicts already have easy access to dangerous drugs.  The drug war is 40+ years old, do you think everyone was just pretending to fight it?  So what is your solution?
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2021, 09:08:19 AM
A border wall
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2021, 09:35:35 AM
De-criminalize addiction and increase interdiction at the border multi-fold.

Also enable the Mexican government to break up the cartels, probably too late for that, though. 

Some of you are clearly co-mingling drugs like pot with vastly more dangerous drugs.   You'll of course deny this.

Drugs like CM, Fentanyl and Heroin should never be legalized.


Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: Kat Kid on June 02, 2021, 09:40:05 AM
De-criminalize addiction and increase interdiction at the border multi-fold.

Also enable the Mexican government to break up the cartels, probably too late for that, though. 

Some of you are clearly co-mingling drugs like pot with vastly more dangerous drugs.   You'll of course deny this.

Drugs like CM, Fentanyl and Heroin should never be legalized.

Right but how?  The issue is demand and illicit profits, until you destroy that I don't know how you can effectively do the bolded part, so be sure to weigh the hundreds of thousands killed in the Mexican drug war and then the countless murders in the US because of the drug war to your count on which makes more sense.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: bucket on June 22, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
https://twitter.com/rdevro/status/1407023571545714690
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: DQ12 on June 22, 2021, 10:45:16 AM
i don't think allowing recreational opioid use, for example, is a very good idea.  injecting more legal, highly addictive and dangerous substances into society seems like maybe not a great plan, even if we do provide programs that allow addicts to get help if they want it.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: MakeItRain on June 22, 2021, 11:29:13 AM
i don't think allowing recreational opioid use, for example, is a very good idea.  injecting more legal, highly addictive and dangerous substances into society seems like maybe not a great plan, even if we do provide programs that allow addicts to get help if they want it.

You're being far too diplomatic. For a plan for legalized opioids to work, this would assume that opioid addicts are clear thinking, rational, and not at all driven by impulsivity. Addicts will still avoid rehab, no matter how readily available it could become. Addicts will still do rash things to get a fix, whether that's stealing, or harming others. Legalization of the drugs do nothing to lessen the effects of the drugs om the mind, body, loved ones, and just regular ol' citizens.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: DQ12 on June 22, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
i don't think allowing recreational opioid use, for example, is a very good idea.  injecting more legal, highly addictive and dangerous substances into society seems like maybe not a great plan, even if we do provide programs that allow addicts to get help if they want it.

You're being far too diplomatic. For a plan for legalized opioids to work, this would assume that opioid addicts are clear thinking, rational, and not at all driven by impulsivity. Addicts will still avoid rehab, no matter how readily available it could become. Addicts will still do rash things to get a fix, whether that's stealing, or harming others. Legalization of the drugs do nothing to lessen the effects of the drugs om the mind, body, loved ones, and just regular ol' citizens.
Yes.  I hate being a square (i don't hate it) but legalizing more harmful and addictive substances seems like a good way to get more people addicted to harmful substances.  It may aid in cracking down on the border violence and the cartel in general, but it comes with its own host problems, that i'm not sure are better.
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: 8manpick on June 22, 2021, 07:02:08 PM
rough ridin' squares
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on February 23, 2023, 02:55:45 PM
this really sucks (thread).

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1628609969560977408
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on February 23, 2023, 02:57:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/1628837840539860994
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: MadCat on February 23, 2023, 04:04:50 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sys on September 22, 2023, 12:24:16 AM
it's not quite inevitable, but it's pretty likely that mexico will elect its first presidenta next year.  the top two political coalitions are both fielding female candidates.

personal note - my wife worked for sheinbaum for a few months twentyish years ago.


https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1705038790643838982
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 22, 2023, 07:31:29 AM
Is she cartel approved?
Title: Re: mexican politics
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2023, 09:06:24 AM
I took one (1) year of spanish in HS and learned how to say Donde Esta La Cerveza (sp?) and called it a semester. a guy that works for my dad told me the "la" wasn't required but I still say it.