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:facepalm:
https://twitter.com/mgaitherkplc/status/770008177551273985
http://www.americanpress.com/HomeInvasion
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:frown:
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It's @WonderMeal
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I hope Dana is happy with ruining a mans life
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Oh Jesus
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Oh man.....he might be in jail for a while if proven guilty.
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:frown:
accessory after the fact at least
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Good grief.
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https://twitter.com/k_shelby1/status/770011103564881921
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Eh, when it rains it Waters.
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Hur hur hur
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accessory after the fact at least
Isn't that worse?
Someone who's smart, how much potential jail time could he be facing?
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2nd degree murder, Life Sentence for Life :bawl: :bawl: :cry:
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Wow my heart just sunk.
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hopefully Trim can be on the first flight to Louisiana
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Damn. Sounds like his McNeese teammates got some harsh feelings towards #life
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He'll beat this accessory wrap.
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accessory after the fact at least
Isn't that worse?
Someone who's smart, how much potential jail time could he be facing?
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worse than participating in an armed robbery in which someone was killed? no.
it means he had the wrong friends and didn't rat on them. or maybe a lawschool cat can jump in and tell me if its possible he was the getaway driver?
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http://law.justia.com/codes/louisiana/2006/146/78384.html
I'm sure there's some hero down there who can properly advise our guy on how to avoid a bunch of swamp cops' ruse.
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http://www.katc.com/story/32858208/lcpd-man-arrested-in-connection-with-homicide-and-home-invasion
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I sure in the eff hope that he doesn't think he's in a rap video, he better be singing like Fiona rough ridin' Apple, that's clearly what they're looking for from him.
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Mickey Mouse crap :lol:
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Offender Name: SAMS, DANIEL DHERRELL
Custody Status: In Custody
Age: 23
Location: Calcasieu Parish Jail
Race: African American
Contact Facility: Calcasieu Parish Jail
Offender ID: 1311154
Gender: Male
Date of Birth: 10/01/1992
I hope he's got the money to get a non-public defender. If it's just a matter of him agreeing to testify in their real case, it might not be too expensive and would be worth the money to get it done quickly and well. It'd probably pay itself off instantly in being able to get the bond knocked down to a reasonable amount.
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it was a former teammate that was killed..but dude wasn't being robbed he was one of the robbers...but wasn't killed by the homeowners...I don't get http://www.kplctv.com/story/32745003/lcpd-former-cowboy-dies-during-home-invasion (http://www.kplctv.com/story/32745003/lcpd-former-cowboy-dies-during-home-invasion)
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it was a former teammate that was killed..but dude wasn't being robbed he was one of the robbers...but wasn't killed by the homeowners...I don't get http://www.kplctv.com/story/32745003/lcpd-former-cowboy-dies-during-home-invasion (http://www.kplctv.com/story/32745003/lcpd-former-cowboy-dies-during-home-invasion)
In many (all?) jurisdictions, if a person dies in connection with the commission of a felony, it's murder--regardless if perp or victim. So, co-conspirators can be liable for murder if their buddy is killed while, say, committing burglary.
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Yea, and I'm thinking in this case, the shooting started and the other pos thief shot his accomplice accidentally.
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#Life..... sentence
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There should be a good opportunity for a "bailed out" reference at some point. Don't buy your redneck wear at this guy's shop.
https://twitter.com/Joshua_Kinder/status/770124407616507905
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so two other guys were arrested last week and charged with the actual murder and robbery.
Sams maybe knew of the plan, or helped them get away and clean up?
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#Not4Life
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Gonna guess Sams is kinda like The Wolf in this one.
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If he's charged with only accessory after the fact stuff, I doubt he was likely anywhere near the scene of the crime. Maybe tried to help cover it up or hide people / evidence. Still obviously serious stuff.
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Sad.
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:frown:
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It's @WonderMeal
MCMW, baby.
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It's @WonderMeal
MCMW, baby.
NO WONDERMEAL!!!
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So, if Daniel would've been switched to WR in Manhattan, does any of this ever happen? eff man, just eff.
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So, if Daniel would've been switched to WR in Manhattan, does any of this ever happen? eff man, just eff.
You mean if he stays?
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Against popular opinion, I don't give a crap. Either he's somewhat innocent and he can tell the truth and get off [what i glhope happens] or he's legit guilty and screw him.
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Against popular opinion, I don't give a crap. Either he's somewhat innocent and he can tell the truth and get off [what i glhope happens] or he's legit guilty and screw him.
I have parsed this paragraph for hidden meaning and was able to deduce that you actually do give a crap.
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Against popular opinion, I don't give a crap. Either he's somewhat innocent and he can tell the truth and get off [what i glhope happens] or he's legit guilty and screw him.
I have parsed this paragraph for hidden meaning and was able to deduce that you actually do give a crap.
The fresh take of "if he's guilty of accessory to burglary and murder then I'll shun him but if he's innocent I'll embrace him." I admire the chiefs stance.
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Against popular opinion, I don't give a crap. Either he's somewhat innocent and he can tell the truth and get off [what i glhope happens] or he's legit guilty and screw him.
I have parsed this paragraph for hidden meaning and was able to deduce that you actually do give a crap.
The fresh take of "if he's guilty of accessory to burglary and murder then I'll shun him but if he's innocent I'll embrace him." I admire the chiefs stance.
vs the "i feel sad for #life" sentiment?
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I think the only acceptable sentiment should be disappointment with the media/fans/hayseeds at jumping to the conclusion that Sams is guilty of anything just because he got charged with something. Do you know how stupid low the bar is for the cops to lob a charge like that at someone? Then the whole world starts throwing a mugshot around like he's already been found guilty of something. Its rough ridin' bullshit.
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We do the exact same thing whenever an opposing player (KU bball for example) gets charged with something. :confused:
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I think it was the last act of This American Life this week that talked about strict sentencing in some parishes in LA. They gave an example of a 14y/o that broke into the house of someone he knew, didn't see or threaten anyone, drank a pepsi, ate a hot pocket, left, and got convicted and sentenced for 20 yrs or something super ridic like that.
I hope Sams didn't do anything and I hope he doesn't get some ungodly long stupid sentence.
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He's still in the same spot, and there's still no case filed against him. I know Louisiana's weird, but that's a long time to be held in jail based on a cop arrest and not have actually been charged with anything in a court.
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We do the exact same thing whenever an opposing player (KU bball for example) gets charged with something. :confused:
Well thats because they are squawks of low moral standing, duh.
But in seriousness, flashing this stuff around concerning other fanbases/teams is materially different than putting our own cats on blast based on something as flimsy as a Lake Charles accusal.
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I think the only acceptable sentiment should be disappointment with the media/fans/hayseeds at jumping to the conclusion that Sams is guilty of anything just because he got charged with something. Do you know how stupid low the bar is for the cops to lob a charge like that at someone? Then the whole world starts throwing a mugshot around like he's already been found guilty of something. Its rough ridin' bullshit.
I agree. I have beem put on blast a few times for being arrested. Sometimes the charges stuck, sometimes not. It's shitty that such matters seem to get put out with a presumption of guilt. Those I guess they are just reporting, and it is we the public that interpret such things our own way. I just wish that convictions and trials were reported not arrests. It's super awkward to go to work after missing a day due to an arrest thwt never lead to charges and should have never happened.
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I played NCAA 14 last night.. He will always be our last starter for an NCAA football game.... unless of course they someday start making them again
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Very basic googling of louisiana criminal procedure indicates there's nothing that different from anywhere else. Our guy should've had an initial appearance w/in 72 hours of arrest, at which that bond amount would've been argued. And if the state's gonna take a bunch of time to file a case, Sams should def be getting his bond lowered.
http://lpdb.la.gov/Advocating%20for%20Clients/Materials/txtfiles/pdf/Know%20Your%20Rights%20Guide.pdf
http://www.kirkpiccione.com/faqs/#charged-after-arrest
http://www.kirkpiccione.com/faqs/#entitled-to-bail
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Making an accomplice
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Got into it last night with a guy at the watch party who was gleeful about Sams' arrest.
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hopefully some jaws were jacked
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Got into it last night with a guy at the watch party who was gleeful about Sams' arrest.
Wow man, what a bastard.
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Looks like he's still in the same spot and still with no case filed against him.
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:emawkid:
LAVNS <[email protected]>
10:41 AM (17 minutes ago)
to Trim
11/9/2016
This e-mail is to inform you that DANIEL SAMS has been released from the Calcasieu Parish Jail on 11/9/2016. The reason for the release is: Bonded out. For more information, contact the Calcasieu Parish Jail at (337)491-3829.
Thank you,
Louisiana Automated Victim Notification System
I looked up the case and see his attorney's finally getting after it. The hearing that got him out today originally wasn't going to be until 12/14, and now the attorney's also got the motions filed to force the state to tell him what evidence they have that they think make for a case.
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Good news. No one should be sitting in jail because they won't snitch.
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Good news. No one should be sitting in jail because they won't snitch.
actually they should be
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Prosecutors also dropped all but one charge.
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Good news. No one should be sitting in jail because they won't snitch.
actually they should be
agree to disagree, it's fine
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I'm not sure he has anything to snitch. It'll be interesting to see soon what the state's case consists of.
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Prosecutors also dropped all but one charge.
That's terrible. I mean, it's good they were dropped, but having him in jail for so long and then dropping all charges is absurd.
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Good news. No one should be sitting in jail because they won't snitch.
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Prosecutors also dropped all but one charge.
That's terrible. I mean, it's good they were dropped, but having him in jail for so long and then dropping all charges is absurd.
What's left is still serious, but it appears to be playing out the terrible way it looked. Sams' attorney has motions on file to force the prosecutors to turn over whatever evidence they have (no idea why that didn't happen sooner), and I think the prelim hearing is on that 12/14 date (that they wanted to keep Sams in jail all the way through). From what I have access to, I don't even see that the actual home invaders are charged yet. Sure gives the appearance that they don't have a good enough case vs. the invaders, and were hoping Sams would make the case for them. It seems possible he can't, without making up a story they want to hear.
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Good news. No one should be sitting in jail because they won't snitch.
:surprised:
The scenario trim laid out above is just one of the reasons I don't think you should serve jail time for not cooperating with the cops. If the investigators know enough to know exactly what the witness knows then why would they need them? I do think that if cops can prove that you lied to them in a way that slows or hampers an investigation then you can be charged, but they shouldn't be allowed to force someone to tell them what they want to hear.
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Prosecutors also dropped all but one charge.
That's terrible. I mean, it's good they were dropped, but having him in jail for so long and then dropping all charges is absurd.
It happens a lot.
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Prisons and Punishments class was by far one of my most enjoyable classes at K-State.
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I think I would make a good snitch.
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https://twitter.com/TreDay50/status/796468190914166784
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:D
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:)
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can he get another year of eligibility for this? asking for a super old friend in need of a QB.
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Trey is a known idiot. Sams is out on Bond.
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he looks very skinny, i hope that he gets home and fills up on good cajun food
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I got a pic of him signing out and he looked emaciated.
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Could he not have bonded out sooner? This whole scenario seems mumped.
Of all the rights people make a fuss over, guns, press, free speech, etc. it seems odd that the 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments are routinely pissed on with little fanfare.
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@DS4ms #hopeudintgetraped
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Charged at least?
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.
I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.
Also, I think it's fair to place the burden of supporting statistical assertions on those who are actually making statistical assertions. Novel concept?
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Spracs, SAMs could murder someone himself, and they'd still find a way to put his mediocre self on a pedestal.
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Spracs, SAMs could murder someone himself, and they'd still find a way to put his mediocre self on a pedestal.
You have a very cynical view of criminal justice reform
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My mom worked for Johnson County Courthouse, before she left for a private law firm. Keeping information away from the cops on a MURDER charge is something you don't play with.
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Especially with how much of a dumbass he is with his Twitter handle.
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.
I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.
Also, I think it's fair to place the burden of supporting statistical assertions on those who are actually making statistical assertions. Novel concept?
I was mostly brought to the topic due to this happening in my area (MIR linked to a story about it as well):
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/kalief-browder-1993-2015
Also, this book details the pretty incredible power that prosecutors wield:
http://newjimcrow.com/
Sams related -- I would hope he's not holding onto info about a murder.
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.
I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.
You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.
I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.
You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?
Maybe I am the most out-of-touch intelligent person in America... :shy:
I read the Intercept article, which by the way doesn't mince words when discussing the actions of the pretrial detainee who, by his own admission, "killed a fellow graffiti artist with a kitchen knife...". Yes, ideally, everyone would get a speedy trial. But, it appears most of the delays in that anecdotal case were due to the defendant--not the prosecution. Research the case history. Look at the, you know, facts...
Say what you will about public defenders. I doubt you know any. However, I do. And, Sixth Amendment concerns are always top-of-mind. I think the bigger question is how to handle mental health issues in the criminal justice system. The system is a mess (for many reasons not at issue here), but I don't think you can make the claim, with a straight face, that we have a widespread problem in this country with individuals falsely accused of murder who are held for years without an opportunity to vindicate their rights in the courts.
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.
I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.
You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?
Maybe I am the most out-of-touch intelligent person in America... :shy:
I read the Intercept article, which by the way doesn't mince words when discussing the actions of the pretrial detainee who, by his own admission, "killed a fellow graffiti artist with a kitchen knife...". Yes, ideally, everyone would get a speedy trial. But, it appears most of the delays in that anecdotal case were due to the defendant--not the prosecution. Research the case history. Look at the, you know, facts...
Say what you will about public defenders. I doubt you know any. However, I do. And, Sixth Amendment concerns are always top-of-mind. I think the bigger question is how to handle mental health issues in the criminal justice system. The system is a mess (for many reasons not at issue here), but I don't think you can make the claim, with a straight face, that we have a widespread problem in this country with individuals falsely accused of murder who are held for years without an opportunity to vindicate their rights in the courts.
Just curious, why would you doubt I know any public defenders? Your assumption is very wrong, I know two former public defenders and my FIL is a criminal defense attorney who does some public defense work. Anyway, my commentary wasn't about public defenders in general, I would never disparage public defenders, even if I didn't know any, they provide an invaluable service. We are discussing Rikers Island, so I was speaking to the extremely overworked and under resourced public defenders offices in New York. It's a big reason why there are so many defendants at Rikers waiting for trial. You certainly know this right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lawsuit-newyork-idUSKCN0IA2L420141021
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If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide
Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.
Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.
I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.
You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?
Maybe I am the most out-of-touch intelligent person in America... :shy:
I read the Intercept article, which by the way doesn't mince words when discussing the actions of the pretrial detainee who, by his own admission, "killed a fellow graffiti artist with a kitchen knife...". Yes, ideally, everyone would get a speedy trial. But, it appears most of the delays in that anecdotal case were due to the defendant--not the prosecution. Research the case history. Look at the, you know, facts...
Say what you will about public defenders. I doubt you know any. However, I do. And, Sixth Amendment concerns are always top-of-mind. I think the bigger question is how to handle mental health issues in the criminal justice system. The system is a mess (for many reasons not at issue here), but I don't think you can make the claim, with a straight face, that we have a widespread problem in this country with individuals falsely accused of murder who are held for years without an opportunity to vindicate their rights in the courts.
You're better than this, spracs.
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overburdened and underfunded court systems and public defender offices. when you have a public that is receptive to TOUGH ON CRIME politicians, allocating funds to help criminals, or even suspected criminals, isn't a priority.
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FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap. I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick.
But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.
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FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap. I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick.
But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.
well I don't know of a solution to lazy/inattentive criminal defense attorneys other than IAC claims which, as far as I know, don't really apply to situations like this.
maybe there's some recourse, but I would imagine that you're pretty much SOL and that this is another example of why you really, really don't want to be accused of a crime.
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FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap. I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick.
But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.
well I don't know of a solution to lazy/inattentive criminal defense attorneys other than IAC claims which, as far as I know, don't really apply to situations like this.
maybe there's some recourse, but I would imagine that you're pretty much SOL and that this is another example of why you really, really don't want to be accused of a crime.
The only solution in this instance maybe would've been more lawyer shopping up front or getting help quicker with what to expect from the lawyer. But it also may just be a thing where that part of Louisiana is so mumped up that this truly was the quickest things could get temporarily fixed up.
It'll be an interesting read if the prosecutor ever turns over the evidence, but it doesn't appear that it'll reveal that Sams had any discretion in whether he would be accused of a crime.
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I blame the police.
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FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap. I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick.
But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.
well I don't know of a solution to lazy/inattentive criminal defense attorneys other than IAC claims which, as far as I know, don't really apply to situations like this.
maybe there's some recourse, but I would imagine that you're pretty much SOL and that this is another example of why you really, really don't want to be accused of a crime.
why is the problem the criminal defense attorney? seems like prosecutorial dumbassery.
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Wacky in here being his usual dumbass self again I see :facepalm:
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Watching people "name drop" their familiarity with actual public attorneys has made my day. :D
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Legalize it?
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Seems relevant
http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_6981deec-ceb5-11e6-bacf-63ebea1d8c26.html
VILLE PLATTE — The practice of putting people "on ice" began so long ago in Evangeline Parish that no one still wearing a badge can recall its origin. But over the years, the so-called investigative holds became as much a part of policing here as pat-downs and parking tickets.
For as long as anyone can remember, the U.S. Justice Department reported recently, anyone walking the streets could be taken into custody for questioning if detectives had the slightest hunch they knew something about a crime — or perhaps knew someone who did. They were jailed indefinitely without probable cause or charges, let alone access to a telephone or an attorney.
The Justice Department report includes shocking anecdotes, including a 2014 case in which Ville Platte police detained a woman they believed had witnessed an armed robbery and shooting while she was grocery shopping. Even after she told investigators she had no information about the crime, the police came to her home and took her — along with her boyfriend and a 16-year-old — into custody.
"Officers strip-searched the woman, who was menstruating at the time, and forced her to remove her tampon," the report says, adding that the woman was then placed in the jail's general population for hours without sanitary products before being questioned by detectives. Meanwhile, the woman's boyfriend and the 16-year-old were placed in separate cells and detained for hours.
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Don't post that crap, ben ji. The "Sams murdered a guy" people aren't trying to hear it.
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Louisiana is a terrible place :frown:
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Do what you want, Ben Ji. #Trim316