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Title: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: renocat on August 01, 2016, 08:53:41 AM
So.the people who gave us Obamacare and countless poorly designed and administered programs, what to give us a suger daddy suprise.  Sugar daddies usually come with a screwin.  Does this include paying for housing?  What will we do about those who get worthless degrees and then can't get a job.  There are better ways to do this.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Institutional Control on August 01, 2016, 10:41:12 AM
What are the better ways?
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
I'll be needing a refund then
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: CNS on August 01, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
This issue gets so muddled up. 

Is the concern fiscal responsibility or the quantity of graduates that don't have skills for the current job market?  These are two different issues, even when Reno is the OP.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 01, 2016, 09:02:51 PM
When public universities become free, they will start out being 16th grade extended high school and retract to 12th grade education. The old "skin in the game" saying is relevant in this situation.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: CNS on August 01, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
It doesn't have to be that.  Germany isn't like that.

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Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2016, 09:15:31 PM
It doesn't have to be that.  Germany isn't like that.

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yeah, that's just fearmongering.  there's nothing saying standards won't be kept.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: kim carnes on August 01, 2016, 09:45:56 PM
It doesn't have to be that.  Germany isn't like that.

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Yeah ok, this isn't Germany so that's irrelevant
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: CNS on August 01, 2016, 09:54:04 PM
And college isn't free.  What's your point?

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Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 01, 2016, 10:58:55 PM
It doesn't have to be that.  Germany isn't like that.

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yeah, that's just fearmongering.  there's nothing saying standards won't be kept.

This is America, standards are meant to be lowered.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: sys on August 02, 2016, 09:58:03 AM
tuition was free for residents attending the u of california system from inception through 1970 and through most of that time (afaik) they included several of the higher-rated state universities.  until fairly recently, tuition for residents was fairly nominal at public universities in most states.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 02, 2016, 10:28:17 AM
My mother (Fresno Bulldogcat) bragged that she paid off her student loans and bought a Porsche like 5 years after graduating.  Then I asked her how much her student loans were and she was like "oh like a thousand dollars maybe?"  Tuition was so cheap.   :frown:
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
Even in the early 90's tuition was a flat rate per semester  at KSU so if you were really motivated you could take a crap load of classes each semester for the same price. My dad graduated debt free in 3 years because of that.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 02, 2016, 02:41:00 PM
Not everyone should go to college, guys. Nobody should go to these stupid liberal arts schools where people basically major in a hobby.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2016, 02:58:30 PM
No one said everyone should go to college.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: CNS on August 02, 2016, 04:10:21 PM
I would be fine with making free only available to ppl who meet a high level of qualifications such as high test scores, high gpa, etc.  Money makes it not equally available.  I mean, dumb rich kids can still go, but they have to pay.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: IPA4Me on August 02, 2016, 07:06:55 PM
I would be fine with making free only available to ppl who meet a high level of qualifications such as high test scores, high gpa, etc.  Money makes it not equally available.  I mean, dumb rich kids can still go, but they have to pay.
That's the European model as I understand it. Free college is competitive. If you don't make the cut, you get a trade school

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Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Canary on August 02, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
Not everyone should go to college, guys. Nobody should go to these stupid liberal arts schools where people basically major in a hobby.
I got my bachelor's degree at a liberal arts college.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 02, 2016, 09:54:20 PM
I would be fine with making free only available to ppl who meet a high level of qualifications such as high test scores, high gpa, etc.  Money makes it not equally available.  I mean, dumb rich kids can still go, but they have to pay.


Some states already have this model. I know, for instance, Georgia has the Hope Scholarship, which I believe means tuition is free at state universities if you maintain a 3.0+ GPA throughout high school. There's something similar in Louisiana too, but that one has been the subject of much budgetary back-and-forth lately. Prolly a handful of other states that do it too.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: treysolid on August 02, 2016, 09:57:40 PM
Not everyone should go to college, guys. Nobody should go to these stupid liberal arts schools where people basically major in a hobby.

lots of people go to liberal arts schools and get degrees in STEM fields.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2016, 11:42:44 PM
Also, lots of people with liberal arts degrees are very successful
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Kat Kid on August 05, 2016, 08:36:25 PM
Also, lots of people with liberal arts degrees are very successful

Bob Krause had an art history degree.


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Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2016, 08:40:08 PM
Also, lots of people with liberal arts degrees are very successful

more than enraged old people would like to acknowledge
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 05, 2016, 08:41:42 PM
Lots of people who didnt finish high school are successful, fucktards
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2016, 08:43:59 PM
Lots of people who didnt finish high school are successful, fucktards

very few enraged old people about that interestingly...
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 05, 2016, 08:50:53 PM
Should be easier to pay them, then....fucktard
Title: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2016, 01:03:04 AM
Lol, oh yeah the gov't is going to happily pay all those special fees that schools tack on tuition (college tuition the second fastest growing cost increase since 1980 next to healthcare) to pay for all those new buildings.  If that ever ends schools like Kstate won't be building much of anything. 
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: kim carnes on August 06, 2016, 01:32:48 AM
I would be fine with making free only available to ppl who meet a high level of qualifications such as high test scores, high gpa, etc.  Money makes it not equally available.  I mean, dumb rich kids can still go, but they have to pay.


Some states already have this model. I know, for instance, Georgia has the Hope Scholarship, which I believe means tuition is free at state universities if you maintain a 3.0+ GPA throughout high school. There's something similar in Louisiana too, but that one has been the subject of much budgetary back-and-forth lately. Prolly a handful of other states that do it too.

Literally everyone graduates HS w a 3.0+
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 06, 2016, 06:55:18 AM
When I think of categories of people irrationally angry over other people's success, I know the first group that comes to mind is old whites mad about that very successful guy who got his b.a. from Amherst.
#feelthebern #obama #1%er #fairshare #socialism #bigoil #evilcorporation #theman #the99% #kochbros #offshoretaxshelters #freecollege

What a libtard.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 06, 2016, 07:13:59 AM
I would be fine with making free only available to ppl who meet a high level of qualifications such as high test scores, high gpa, etc.  Money makes it not equally available.  I mean, dumb rich kids can still go, but they have to pay.
That's the European model as I understand it. Free college is competitive. If you don't make the cut, you get a trade school

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We could call it an academic scholarship! #makingnews
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: CNS on August 06, 2016, 08:50:28 AM
Yes, massively(to a near ridic level) increasing the amt of academic scholarships is exactly what I am talking about. 

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Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 06, 2016, 09:00:05 PM
One of two things will happen if the government starts paying for tuition.

they will negotiate a lower tuition and the quality of education will become middle schoolish.

they will pay the regular tuition and said tuition will increase quickly since the gov has deep pockets, similar to what has already happened with large amounts of loans available.
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2016, 10:05:36 PM
One of two things will happen if the government starts paying for tuition.

they will negotiate a lower tuition and the quality of education will become middle schoolish.

they will pay the regular tuition and said tuition will increase quickly since the gov has deep pockets, similar to what has already happened with large amounts of loans available.

naw
Title: Re: Free tuition for college. Stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 07, 2016, 07:50:53 AM
WSJ reporting this morning than 16% of student loan debtors are in long term default.

I wonder how many more are in regular default.