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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2016, 12:37:38 PM
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She apparently repeatedly referred to the "rigged system" that trump repeatedly described in his speech.
I also heard Warren and the High Sparrow talked about how people are more oppressed than ever by bad economic policy. This seems off message with b.o. and hillrods who say everything is great. It seems more inline with republicans, despite democrats claims that the pub narrative is false (maybe dems dont know what berners think).
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Sounds like you're on to something here fsd, keep digging and you can turn the whole system upside down
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it wasn't plagiarized but it feels plagiarized.
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it wasn't plagiarized but it feels plagiarized.
:lol:
That Last Week Tonight bit from Sunday was too perfect, especially the Gingrich part.
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FSD I love.man, but calling Warren batshit is offending bats.
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lmao
https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/1051829795150057472?s=21
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/10/15/warren-addresses-native-american-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html
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https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2018/07/07/trump-pocahontas-elizabeth-warren-million-dollars/
Everyone’s different. I certainly know my own idiosyncrasies. For example, I would really, really like a million dollars.
That’s the difference, for example, between me and Elizabeth Warren.
It must be.
On Thursday, President Trump said if he were up against the Massachusetts senator in a debate, he’d offer her $1 million to take a test to determine her American Indian heritage.
I’d take it in a heartbeat. I’d let the press know right now that I wanna do it. Why wait for a debate scenario? Gimme gimme.
And, by the way, my test would come up positive (for the truth about the Indians, please see my Friday night article here).
Warren doesn’t seem as quick to cash in.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/junk-science-kellyanne-conway-blows-off-elizabeth-warrens-native-american-dna-test-results/
(https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/FNC_11-06-2017_07.39.55c-e1536146404583-800x430.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/CuffyMeh/status/1051850724185858050
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This chick is weird AF
https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1051847442805743616
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Elizabeth Warren 1, Trump 0
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Add another notch to the trump welches on a bet column :frown:
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Add another notch to the trump welches on a bet column :frown:
he welches on a ton of philanthropic promises. it's gross.
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He probably can't afford to pay the million dollars. Warren should offer to match a $100k donation from him.
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What is that? Something like .00390625% Indian?
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Ha, I couldn't remember if dax was a pocahontas guy or not
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I'm pretty stunned by that LiBBot7, because you pretty much get your zest and zeal for life itself from my every post. I am the tide that lifts your boat.
So I'm reading 1/32nd to 1/512th to 1/1024th American Indian.
No doubt Liz really relates to the plight of the American Indian.
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I'm pretty stunned by that LiBBot7, because you pretty much get your zest and zeal for life itself from my every post. I am the tide that lifts your boat.
So I'm reading 1/32nd to 1/512th to 1/1024th American Indian.
No doubt Liz really relates to the plight of the American Indian.
:lol: (ftp://:lol:)
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Pwood, you a pocahontas guy?
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Senator Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test that provides “strong evidence’’ she had a Native American in her family tree dating back 6 to 10 generations.
:lol:
She's a liar and a lunatic
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Pwood, you a pocahontas guy?
Meh
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the claim of distant Native ancestry doesn’t quite mesh with the stories Warren has been telling for years, that her parents eloped because her paternal grandparents didn’t want her father to marry her mother “because she is part Cherokee and part Delaware.” Under the rules of the Cherokee Nation, Warren is unlikely to qualify as Native.
Just your typical Democrat "misspeak"
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Pwood, you a pocahontas guy?
Meh
Actually the perfect answer :thumbs:
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She should've insisted that the $1m be held in some sort of bitcoin mechanism.
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Ha, I couldn't remember if dax was a pocahontas guy or not
Was there ever any doubt?
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She should've insisted that the $1m be held in some sort of bitcoin mechanism.
converted to wampum
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https://twitter.com/JustinWingerter/status/1051943041576169476
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Damn. She will never get the citizenship she didn't apply for.
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Needs to be a racial draft 2.0 with Cherokee nation trading Megan Fox to the white delegation for Warren.
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Liz may be less Indian than most European-Americans
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https://twitter.com/JustinWingerter/status/1051943041576169476
Ouch
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Liz may be less Indian than most European-Americans
I would be pretty surprised if half of European Americans have any native DNA at all.
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I feel like most people I knew had some story about having Native American ancestry (and also Davey Crockett), but maybe that's just a Kansas thing.
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I feel like most people I knew had some story about having Native American ancestry (and also Davey Crockett), but maybe that's just a Kansas thing.
Way more than half believe they have native DNA.
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Liz may be less Indian than most European-Americans
pfft
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Damn. She will never get the citizenship she didn't apply for.
Cherokees!! :curse:
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I feel like most people I knew had some story about having Native American ancestry (and also Davey Crockett), but maybe that's just a Kansas thing.
Way more than half believe they have native DNA.
Yet all of them are able to refrain from claiming to be native American in their job applications or for political gain. AMAZE
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Tick tock :Wha:
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I feel like most people I knew had some story about having Native American ancestry (and also Davey Crockett), but maybe that's just a Kansas thing.
Way more than half believe they have native DNA.
Yet all of them are able to refrain from claiming to be native American in their job applications or for political gain. AMAZE
If I believed I had some native DNA, I would list it. You would be foolish not to.
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I don’t think having Native DNA gets you anything at all does it?
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She has never once put native for any school or job application, so weird that the usual suspects have to lie about this instead of just being embarrassed that they were wrong.
Low cognitive ability I guess...
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We were talking about school and job applications?
Weird, oh well, LibBot7 world.
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She's clearly held out, and continues to hold out, her phony native American heritage. Either it's to no meaningful end (in which case she's crazy) or it's for selfish motive (in which case she's a liar). Not sure why anyone would defend this clown, but would be interested to here a logical explanation as to why.
:lol:
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We were talking about school and job applications?
Weird, oh well, LibBot7 world.
You must not have read the few posts above me (confused??)
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Maybe the libtards should ask her if she thinks campaign for senate is a job interview :lol:
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We were talking about school and job applications?
Weird, oh well, LibBot7 world.
The president was
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1052171444082360320?s=21
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We were talking about school and job applications?
Weird, oh well, LibBot7 world.
The president was
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1052171444082360320?s=21
BESIDES HIM
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I don’t think having Native DNA gets you anything at all does it?
It can. It just depends on what you are applying for and the standards that are in place.
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https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1051940535374700550
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I don’t think having Native DNA gets you anything at all does it?
It can. It just depends on what you are applying for and the standards that are in place.
Any examples where it does? Trying to figure out if I could get a 23 & me kit to pay for itself.
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It can help with college scholarships. She wouldn't come close tho.
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No-Cost Hunting and Fishing licenses in Kansas if at least 1/16th.
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I don’t think having Native DNA gets you anything at all does it?
It can. It just depends on what you are applying for and the standards that are in place.
Any examples where it does? Trying to figure out if I could get a 23 & me kit to pay for itself.
I think all of these require you to be enrolled into a tribe.
https://www.bie.edu/ParentsStudents/Grants/index.htm
I think Warren might have enough DNA to be a member of the Cherokee tribe, but a DNA test doesn't prove that her descent is actually Cherokee, so she would probably need to actually identify who the family member was to qualify.
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:lol: She wouldn't qualify, dude. :lol:
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I've helped students get these grants before and she's nowhere close.
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:lol: She wouldn't qualify, dude. :lol:
http://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship/Citizenship
There is no minimum blood quantum required for citizenship. Tribal citizenship requires that you have at least one direct ancestor listed on the Dawes Final Rolls, a federal census of those living in the Cherokee Nation that was used to allot Cherokee land to individual citizens in preparation for Oklahoma statehood in 1907.
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I've seen people with way more descent get rejected for that grant. Trust me, i'd have a better shot than she would. She's so far down the line.
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Are the people you were helping citizens of a tribe, or did they just take a 23 and me DNA test?
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What kind of Trump rally chant are you guys going to have for Warren?
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SCALP THAT BITCH
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I've seen people with way more descent get rejected for that grant. Trust me, i'd have a better shot than she would. She's so far down the line.
That was a decently quick edit :D
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Who's you guys? She's a quack and part of the reason why the Democratic party is suffering.
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SCALP THAT BITCH
Weird rage.
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What kind of Trump rally chant are you guys going to have for Warren?
Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountains
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind
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No-Cost Hunting and Fishing licenses in Kansas if at least 1/16th.
:love:
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Who's you guys? She's a quack and part of the reason why the Democratic party is suffering.
Are there other things that you don't like about her or is it just the native american thing?
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I don't like her much, but I find the Native American thing very endearing.
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I find it weird, but whatever. I have more NA in me than she does, but I identify as white, because you know, i'm white. I just find it a very weird hill to die on.
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How much do you have, Wacky? Her test showed as much as 1/64, so you'd have to be at least 1/32. Does your dad know he can get a free hunting/fishing license?
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My Grandma (moms mom) was like half, so whatever that would do for me.
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My Grandma (moms mom) was like half, so whatever that would do for me.
That would make you 1/8. What tribe are you, and why did you pay for college?
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Because 1. The grants don't cover as much as you think and 2. I somehow didn't qualify. She might have been 1/4th, but if you saw her, you saw it. We found all kinds of crazy Indian artifacts at her farm when she passed away 2 springs ago in storage. I should probably do some more research. Her farm was on the Santa Fe Trail and the land had been passed on from generations before her.
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Because 1. The grants don't cover as much as you think and 2. I somehow didn't qualify. She might have been 1/4th, but if you saw her, you saw it. We found all kinds of crazy Indian artifacts at her farm when she passed away 2 springs ago in storage. I should probably do some more research. Her farm was on the Santa Fe Trail and the land had been passed on from generations before her.
If your mom knows the names of her great-grandparents, it should be easy enough to check the rolls of whatever tribe she would have been from. Get citizenship if at all possible. It will make college cheaper for your kids.
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Every generation has to register, if a parent isn't registered then you can't register even with direct lineage proof. If a parent is registered but you don't then your kids will be unable to register.
That's how I understand it at least.
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That would make sense. Mom was never great with that stuff growing up. I didn't learn about much of it until later too.
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what a whole new interesting world
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Every generation has to register, if a parent isn't registered then you can't register even with direct lineage proof. If a parent is registered but you don't then your kids will be unable to register.
That's how I understand it at least.
It probably varies by tribe.
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Yes, I imagine so
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Having grown up in Oklahoma, I have very little documented Native American and receive no benefits. But I do know of plenty of people who have been given financial assistance for schooling, both college and trades, assistance with buying property as far as helping with down payments/loan rates and even covering closing costs. If living close enough, many tribes provide daycare and other early ed for discounted (maybe free?) rates.
I think you must be a card carrying tribal member for most of these benefits, though. As even the average American has a small percentage of NA DNA.
(I'm not 100% sure on any of this, but could ask around, I guess.)
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Yes, the card is very important. I knew many students who got turned down because they didn't have the card.
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So what school did she try to get in?
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IDK, people asked what type of benefits you get. I'm just lol'ing she tries to identify as Native American and the Cherokee people were like "Nah!"
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We were talking about school and job applications?
Weird, oh well, LibBot7 world.
You must not have read the few posts above me (confused??)
Oh, I see . . . yeah, nice job leaving out the "political gain" part. But LibBot7 edits, some day I'll learn.
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Ok dax
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I enjoy dax’s Ability to double and triple down in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary of his position.
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I don't know how things were at harvard in the 80s, but being considered a "minority" in law school while I was there was probably helpful. Lots of job fairs and so forth. Plus, I think firms like to have a diverse hiring class. Whether those opportunities off-set occupational racism or bias against minorities, i don't know, but I bet it probably did.
But it's probably apples and oranges comparing across several decades.
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I could see it being less helpful when you actually show up to the job fair and are clearly not a minority, though.
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I could see it being less helpful when you actually show up to the job fair and are clearly not a minority, though.
Or it's the best of both worlds, where you get access to that stuff without undergoing any of the hardships.
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I don’t think having Native DNA gets you anything at all does it?
It can. It just depends on what you are applying for and the standards that are in place.
Any examples where it does? Trying to figure out if I could get a 23 & me kit to pay for itself.
I think all of these require you to be enrolled into a tribe.
https://www.bie.edu/ParentsStudents/Grants/index.htm
I think Warren might have enough DNA to be a member of the Cherokee tribe, but a DNA test doesn't prove that her descent is actually Cherokee, so she would probably need to actually identify who the family member was to qualify.
Well that sounds like way too much work for someone already out of college.
Just still can’t bring myself to pull that $100 trigger (or whatever those kits run nowadays).
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I could see it being less helpful when you actually show up to the job fair and are clearly not a minority, though.
Or it's the best of both worlds, where you get access to that stuff without undergoing any of the hardships.
I think many of the big employers are just happy to be able to list it on their employment stats, although obviously they can’t exclusively go for the minority demographic who don’t have the appearance or experiences of minorities.
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Because 1. The grants don't cover as much as you think and 2. I somehow didn't qualify. She might have been 1/4th, but if you saw her, you saw it. We found all kinds of crazy Indian artifacts at her farm when she passed away 2 springs ago in storage. I should probably do some more research. Her farm was on the Santa Fe Trail and the land had been passed on from generations before her.
why was your grandma in storage when she died?
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I could see it being less helpful when you actually show up to the job fair and are clearly not a minority, though.
Or it's the best of both worlds, where you get access to that stuff without undergoing any of the hardships.
I think many of the big employers are just happy to be able to list it on their employment stats, although obviously they can’t exclusively go for the minority demographic who don’t have the appearance or experiences of minorities.
I agree. Being there is still an advantage.
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I don’t think having Native DNA gets you anything at all does it?
It can. It just depends on what you are applying for and the standards that are in place.
Any examples where it does? Trying to figure out if I could get a 23 & me kit to pay for itself.
I think all of these require you to be enrolled into a tribe.
https://www.bie.edu/ParentsStudents/Grants/index.htm
I think Warren might have enough DNA to be a member of the Cherokee tribe, but a DNA test doesn't prove that her descent is actually Cherokee, so she would probably need to actually identify who the family member was to qualify.
Correct. DNA info, blood, or any kind of personal documentation does nothing for the Cherokee tribe (I would assume any tribe for that matter). The only way you can identify as any form of Cherokee is with proof of a direct ancestor on one of their original tribal rosters.
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I don't know how things were at harvard in the 80s, but being considered a "minority" in law school while I was there was probably helpful. Lots of job fairs and so forth. Plus, I think firms like to have a diverse hiring class. Whether those opportunities off-set occupational racism or bias against minorities, i don't know, but I bet it probably did.
But it's probably apples and oranges comparing across several decades.
I don’t think she would know either considering she wasn’t anywhere near Harvard in the 80’s
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I don't know how things were at harvard in the 80s, but being considered a "minority" in law school while I was there was probably helpful. Lots of job fairs and so forth. Plus, I think firms like to have a diverse hiring class. Whether those opportunities off-set occupational racism or bias against minorities, i don't know, but I bet it probably did.
But it's probably apples and oranges comparing across several decades.
I don’t think she would know either considering she wasn’t anywhere near Harvard in the 80’s
Or 90s. Whatever. I haven’t paid a lot of attention to this.
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I don’t care if she is or isn’t Native American, politics ain’t about arrow shootin’
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The only NA benefit she receives is the benefit of the doubt from red-faced resident demoncraps, lolol
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Correct. DNA info, blood, or any kind of personal documentation does nothing for the Cherokee tribe (I would assume any tribe for that matter). The only way you can identify as any form of Cherokee is with proof of a direct ancestor on one of their original tribal rosters.
their interest is exclude everyone not already a tribal citizen. not all tribes are that exclusionary, but i imagine many are.
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Lots of lizsplaining going on in hur
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As a card carrying Choctaw, the benefits are OK. In no way was my school close to paid for. All the benefits came from the tribe. I probably could have found some more if I tried really hard, but I would have felt guilty cooking up an essay.
The "you can get a card if your family's name is on the role" is BS. To get my kids citizenship I had to supply my mom's & my birth certificate. I also had the legality of my Texas birth certificate challenged because for a short time in the 80s they proxied state authority to the counties. It was a huge pain in the ass for my kids as children of multiple generations of living citizens. You basically have to reprove two generations of citizenship.
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I enjoy dax’s Ability to double and triple down in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary of his position.
I took a position?
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That would be a first
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As a card carrying Choctaw, the benefits are OK. In no way was my school close to paid for. All the benefits came from the tribe. I probably could have found some more if I tried really hard, but I would have felt guilty cooking up an essay.
The "you can get a card if your family's name is on the role" is BS. To get my kids citizenship I had to supply my mom's & my birth certificate. I also had the legality of my Texas birth certificate challenged because for a short time in the 80s they proxied state authority to the counties. It was a huge pain in the ass for my kids as children of multiple generations of living citizens. You basically have to reprove two generations of citizenship.
TY!