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Title: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sys on June 23, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
holy crap, they're going to do this.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 23, 2016, 10:42:56 PM
wild.  interesting to see what this will do to scottish independence.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2016, 10:45:13 PM
 :billdance:
Title: SeEULater
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2016, 10:46:42 PM
Starting own thread because my title is so much better. Proud to watch people rise up against executive and bureaucratic tyranny. Wish it was us, but we seem to be moving in opposite direction.

Can you even imagine if we had national referendums on issues as opposed to politicians? If we had a national vote on border enforcement? Obamacare?
Title: Re: SeEULater
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
Forfeiting sovereignty is always foolish.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 23, 2016, 10:57:45 PM
bid
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 23, 2016, 11:12:58 PM
This is worse for the EU than Great Britain in the long run.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: sys on June 23, 2016, 11:14:10 PM
wild.  interesting to see what this will do to scottish independence.

i'd be amazed if it isn't revoted.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: tdaver on June 23, 2016, 11:18:07 PM
We have a Brit staying with us this week.  She voted to stay but now leans toward leaving after looking into it more.  Curious to see her feelings in the morning.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 23, 2016, 11:30:07 PM
wild.  interesting to see what this will do to scottish independence.

i'd be amazed if it isn't revoted.

I just saw a scottish MP and she was PISSED.  Sinn Fein just called for a revote on a united Ireland.  Wonder how much staying power these reactions have.  In 2014 the Scottish independence referendum was 55% no, hard to imagine this would swing it by that much by the time the vote happens, but who knows.
Title: Re: SeEULater
Post by: Kat Kid on June 23, 2016, 11:31:09 PM
Forfeiting sovereignty is always foolish.

articles of confederation > constitution?
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: sys on June 23, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
not sure i buy a united ireland, but i could see northern ireland leaving the uk and joining the eu as an independent state.  i think that would be a longer-term deal though.  scotland may be gone in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Kat Kid on June 23, 2016, 11:49:40 PM
If UK immediately goes in to a recession, it will be interesting to see what the reaction is from all parties.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: memphis on June 23, 2016, 11:56:29 PM
If UK immediately goes in to a recession, it will be interesting to see what the reaction is from all parties.

British political meming will have it's day
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 23, 2016, 11:58:11 PM
Tying together the economies of radically different cultures was a dumb idea in the first place.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: sys on June 24, 2016, 12:50:33 AM
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21701265-how-minimise-damage-britains-senseless-self-inflicted-blow-tragic-split
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Panjandrum on June 24, 2016, 01:36:09 AM
If UK immediately goes in to a recession, it will be interesting to see what the reaction is from all parties.

A pro-Leave politican was saying on CNN that there will be "short-term" consequences, but this is best for Britain in the long-term.  Did not specify what "long-term" means.

Nigel Farage is pretty awful.  Boris Johnson is awful.  And these guys were leading the charge.

Yikes.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Panjandrum on June 24, 2016, 01:38:12 AM
And I ask for a referendum on the name of this thread.

I would like to see, "Smoke your cigars...European Realignment Edition"
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2016, 05:17:58 AM
David Cameron out
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: wetwillie on June 24, 2016, 06:11:30 AM
So like 3 million British ex pats living in EU countries woke up illegal aliens?
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 06:19:29 AM
Whoa
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Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 06:32:12 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
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Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 06:35:43 AM
Invalid Tweet ID

Wow
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 06:41:51 AM

Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: The Big Train on June 24, 2016, 07:16:05 AM
My sister had been planning a trip to Scotland for about a year...her flight left at 7:30 last night
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 07:20:24 AM


 :lol:
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 07:31:30 AM
My sister had been planning a trip to Scotland for about a year...her flight left at 7:30 last night

well her Scotland trip is a lot less expensive than she thought it would be
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2016, 07:40:57 AM
Are we sure Boris isn't gary busy?  I'm not.  Probably means good things for trump.


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Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 07:41:39 AM
credit card thread cross post

http://rapidtravelchai.boardingarea.com/2016/06/23/brexit-fueled-pound-crash/#_ga=1.76063701.1925839842.1454333828
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 07:48:57 AM
I think people are confusing the stock markets reaction with the actual consequence of this.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: chum1 on June 24, 2016, 07:49:34 AM
From someone who doesn't follow any of this, it looks like the majority is very unhappy that something like 2% of the population are dirty foreigners.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
From someone who doesn't follow any of this, it looks like the majority is very unhappy that something like 2% of the population are dirty foreigners.

there was definitely some desire to build a wall and make dirty foreigners pay for it but there was other stuff as well
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 07:54:19 AM
The EU has not been economically what it was supposed to be. Instead of the crap countries copying countries like Britain and reforming their economic policy, they did nothing and leached of easy money afforded by the EU.

The best way I heard it described was that those countries have "too much calcium" in their labor markets, and hopefully this is the wakeup call that the EU is bureaucratic bullshit that has accomplished almost nothing.
Title: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2016, 07:55:49 AM
From someone who doesn't follow any of this, it looks like the majority is very unhappy that something like 2% of the population are dirty foreigners.

there was definitely some desire to build a wall and make dirty foreigners pay for it but there was other stuff as well
Well yeah, there were (former British Empire) brown people wanting to build a wall against the Polacks too
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 07:56:27 AM
From someone who doesn't follow any of this, it looks like the majority is very unhappy that something like 2% of the population are dirty foreigners.

there was definitely some desire to build a wall and make dirty foreigners pay for it but there was other stuff as well

The UK news I watched said this was an idiot American talking point and that nobody in the UK considered this an "immigration" issue. I guess they were on point.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: chum1 on June 24, 2016, 08:06:12 AM
Yeah, no one in the UK is talking about immigration. And you definitely can't read anything about the relationship between Brexit and immigration from sources like the BBC or Telegraph.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: wetwillie on June 24, 2016, 08:10:44 AM
Their currency is getting pounded
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: treysolid on June 24, 2016, 08:14:39 AM
Britain will have a tough go of it negotiating their own trade partnerships. And if Scotland leaves and takes their oil with them...yikes.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2016, 08:15:22 AM
Their currency is getting pounded

Sterling take right here.


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Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 24, 2016, 08:26:11 AM
So like 3 million British ex pats living in EU countries woke up illegal aliens?

I don't think the vote takes effect for couple of years.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 08:33:13 AM
i don't think anyone knows what the long term effects will be. my guess is the UK will be just fine after a while. The only thing we know is that in the short term, Big Train's sister hit the jackpot and should buy you a kilt or a bagpipes or something
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 08:34:57 AM
however it is hard to be a fan of this thing, since the only people i see being fans of it are known humongous ass hats
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Lol @ the idea that the EU will stop trading with the uk.

Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 08:53:50 AM
kick their ass, fsd
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Yard Dog on June 24, 2016, 08:54:44 AM
Britain will have a tough go of it negotiating their own trade partnerships. And if Scotland leaves and takes their oil with them...yikes.

Scottish oil is fading fast:

https://next.ft.com/content/1269ec82-c69e-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 08:56:27 AM
Scotland is a PIGS trapped in a non-PIGS body. They're so confused and tortured.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 08:58:08 AM
It seems the main reason people think the UK should stay is because it helps the rest of the EU.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 24, 2016, 09:05:48 AM
It's sort of weird to me that a country would make such a drastic change based on a majority vote.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: sys on June 24, 2016, 09:06:44 AM
And I ask for a referendum on the name of this thread.

I would like to see, "Smoke your cigars...European Realignment Edition"

done. at least i edited the first post.  if something more needs to be done, have a mod do it.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 09:07:16 AM
I'm not sure, but I think they got into the EU without even a vote
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 09:12:02 AM
title should be "pipes" not "cigars"
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Phil Titola on June 24, 2016, 09:32:05 AM
My sister had been planning a trip to Scotland for about a year...her flight left at 7:30 last night

well her Scotland trip is a lot less expensive than she thought it would be

Just booked/paid all my UK hotels last week  :bang:
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
My sister had been planning a trip to Scotland for about a year...her flight left at 7:30 last night

well her Scotland trip is a lot less expensive than she thought it would be

Just booked all my UK hotels last week  :bang:

did you prepay or something? assuming you didn't, swiping your card over there will work out great when you get your cc bill
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: Phil Titola on June 24, 2016, 09:34:48 AM
My sister had been planning a trip to Scotland for about a year...her flight left at 7:30 last night

well her Scotland trip is a lot less expensive than she thought it would be

Just booked all my UK hotels last week  :bang:

did you prepay or something? assuming you didn't, swiping your card over there will work out great when you get your cc bill

Updated my post...yes, prepaid through airbnb, etc.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: The Big Train on June 24, 2016, 09:35:18 AM
That sucks
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: treysolid on June 24, 2016, 10:19:41 AM
Britain was sending about £200MM to the EU weekly. Now, they'll have to spend more than that each week just to have access to the European markets plus more for all the restructuring.
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: MakeItRain on June 24, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
Invalid Tweet ID

I have 13 Brits on my staff. When I told them about the vote this morning they all cheered, when I told them about Cameron they were fist pumping and high fiving each other, when I told them about the pound some of them cried. One girl told me she exchanged at 1.82 when she arrived a month ago (i told her that couldn't be right the best I saw was 1.67, she insists that it is), as of this second the exchange is 1.36.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2016, 11:09:19 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/nigel-farage-350-million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-was-a-mistake/
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
omg
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 11:27:14 AM
The anti immigrant crowd loves making a "good deal"
Title: Re: quote-brexit-unquote
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 11:58:05 AM
Yeah, no one in the UK is talking about immigration. And you definitely can't read anything about the relationship between Brexit and immigration from sources like the BBC or Telegraph.

It's not like Nigel Farage made it "the defining issue" or anything

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36570759
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 12:50:32 PM
i need to see a pro-leave guy that doesn't come off a complete lunatic. are there any of those or nah?
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: WillieWatanabe on June 24, 2016, 01:16:07 PM
Invalid Tweet ID

lol But yet Millennials are getting some of the blame.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
i need to see a pro-leave guy that doesn't come off a complete lunatic. are there any of those or nah?

this guy comes off as more of a complete dumbass?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-leave-says-he-thought-his-vote-wouldnt-count-wins-moron-of-the-year-award-5964450/

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I’m a bit shocked to be honest.
I’m shocked that we actually have voted to Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.
My vote, I didn’t think was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to Remain, and the David Cameron resignation has blown me away to be honest.
I think the period of uncertainty that we’re going to have for the next couple of months, that’s just been magnified now.
So yeah, quite worried.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2016, 01:34:08 PM
Invalid Tweet ID

lol But yet Millennials are getting some of the blame.


something i learned today: way more (like 10000000x more) people vote in the UK than here
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on June 24, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
What's really awesome about this referendum is that it is non-binding.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Parliament start to look at leaving and then decide to stay.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 01:44:18 PM
The pro let's let everybody in and not give an eff if their dangerous or not aka globalist satanist jackboots hate independent thought.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/G8EWKm9.jpg)
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/G8EWKm9.jpg)

 :lol:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: ChiCat on June 24, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
i need to see a pro-leave guy that doesn't come off a complete lunatic. are there any of those or nah?

this guy comes off as more of a complete dumbass?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-leave-says-he-thought-his-vote-wouldnt-count-wins-moron-of-the-year-award-5964450/

Quote
I’m a bit shocked to be honest.
I’m shocked that we actually have voted to Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.
My vote, I didn’t think was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to Remain, and the David Cameron resignation has blown me away to be honest.
I think the period of uncertainty that we’re going to have for the next couple of months, that’s just been magnified now.
So yeah, quite worried.

Dumbass roundup

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/24/british_voters_regretting_their_decisions_a_roundup.html
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bucket on June 24, 2016, 03:18:20 PM
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 24, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
Quote

see ya greece, bye hungary, later romania.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 24, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
Who needs currency anyway
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
Britain was sending about £200MM to the EU weekly. Now, they'll have to spend more than that each week just to have access to the European markets plus more for all the restructuring.

I highly doubt that.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 24, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
I like it when the competition takes one to the nads
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
I think the journalistic reaction to, what is essentially the beginning of the end of the failed EU, is pretty rough ridin' hilarious.  :lol:

Sad day for the progessotards and their beta test unelected global government.  :bawl:

Huge lol @ anyone who thinks the EU could shut out the UK, even if it wanted to.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 24, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
I think the market reaction to, what is essentially the beginning of the end of the greatest economic agreement in world history, is pretty rough ridin' hilarious. :lol:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2016, 03:59:43 PM
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION


(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3f510b25581c993fae11fe42817a9c6d3780f376/0_305_5049_3029/master/5049.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=03df8fb02a8b973725b4e6739b8d3c30)
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 04:01:42 PM
That's a bubbles post if I ever read one :lol: what a fucktard

Will be interesting to see how many other countries make runs at exit. It's like everyone is all of the sudden starting to realize (maybe just remembering pre-eu) you can have free trade without a trillion dollar super government policing the climate and usurping federal governments with an Orwellian titled "human rights" court.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 04:03:35 PM
Remember when California tried to deny new us citizen residents welfare benefits?  :lol:

They should have just brexited
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
Per some guy on cnbc, the vix resulting from Brexit is a fraction of the vix caused by Lehman.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 24, 2016, 04:19:03 PM
FSD, which of your posts do you believe people voted on? the neoliberalist one or the anti-brown people one?
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
Fucktard
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: The Big Train on June 24, 2016, 04:56:44 PM

Will be interesting to see how many hugs he gives out
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 05:21:01 PM
Some forms of a Brexit campaign has been going on for years, a single plank brexit political party earned 13% of the popular vote last election cycle, for weeks polling showed Brexit and remain in a virtual tie, Brexit ulmitaley prevails by a fairly wide margin, and the resident libtards have attributed the outcome to two things: 1) people were confused and 2) anti-Muslim sentiment. How rough ridin' delusional.

That's like saying b.o. won 2012 because most Americans wanted to occupy Wall Street.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 24, 2016, 05:29:11 PM
Some forms of a Brexit campaign has been going on for years, a single plank brexit political party earned 13% of the popular vote last election cycle, for weeks polling showed Brexit and remain in a virtual tie, Brexit ulmitaley prevails by a fairly wide margin, and the resident libtards have attributed the outcome to two things: 1) people were confused and 2) anti-Muslim sentiment. How rough ridin' delusional.

That's like saying b.o. won 2012 because most Americans wanted to occupy Wall Street.
1) you're drunk
2) you're stupid even when you're not drunk
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 05:30:34 PM
Fucktard
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 05:38:10 PM
Greatest economic agreement in world history! Double digit unemployment, stagnant growth, declining real wages, inability to accumulate wealth, basically the reintroduction of feudalism. #delusion
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
Man, the fling open the doors and eff security ProgLib Global Elite Wannabes and their desire for hauling first world economies down and make them into banana republic crap holes are extremely pissed off right now.   Next up, a five paragraph screed on how Sharia Law is simply misunderstood and Christians are EXACTLY the same???



Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
Dax, do you want to go see ameriGEDDON with me? We can take PED's and yell jackboot at the screen like rocky horror or something
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 06:41:00 PM
Dax, do you want to go see ameriGEDDON with me? We can take PED's and yell jackboot at the screen like rocky horror or something

Never heard of it.   You can watch it and report back to me.   I'm sure given your internal re-write system, you'll completely misinterpret whatever it's about anyway.

Anybody who hears "We need to know who is coming into the country" and interprets it as "We're not going to let anyone in at all".   Is, well, kind of mumped, that's pretty much you lib7, sorry . . . not really, tho.



Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 06:45:44 PM
The president and the one world government deploy an emp that knocks out the countries power and communication grid and then declare martial law and confiscate guns and take away other rights but some brave Patriots fight back and defeat the US army. Your boy alex jones says it's all based on fact. I'm pretty pumped to see it
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Tobias on June 24, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Dax, do you want to go see ameriGEDDON with me? We can take PED's and yell jackboot at the screen like rocky horror or something

i might be wrong but i think a non-debate pit liveblog might be a first :lick:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 06:47:39 PM
Sorry for spoiling the ending but the official summary says they win so happy ending  :thumbs:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 06:53:47 PM
The president and the one world government deploy an emp that knocks out the countries power and communication grid and then declare martial law and confiscate guns and take away other rights but some brave Patriots fight back and defeat the US army. Your boy alex jones says it's all based on fact. I'm pretty pumped to see it

Great, I've never watched an Alex Jones endorsed movie before, I'm sure you'll give it a great, albeit weird, review.   Oh and just because Alex Johns adheres himself to words that I use from time-to-time, doesn't make me an Alex Jones follower or fan.   I only read a few articles on his website, to follow the links to their news sources, of which many are in the foreign media.   I pay no attention to his take on things. 





Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 06:55:06 PM
The president and the one world government deploy an emp that knocks out the countries power and communication grid and then declare martial law and confiscate guns and take away other rights but some brave Patriots fight back and defeat the US army. Your boy alex jones says it's all based on fact. I'm pretty pumped to see it

Great, I've never watched an Alex Jones endorsed movie before, I'm sure you'll give it a great, albeit weird, review.   Oh and just because Alex Johns adheres himself to words that I use from time-to-time, doesn't make me an Alex Jones follower or fan.   I only read a few articles on his website, to follow the links to their news sources, of which many are in the foreign media.   I pay no attention to his take on things.

#explaining
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 06:56:07 PM
The president and the one world government deploy an emp that knocks out the countries power and communication grid and then declare martial law and confiscate guns and take away other rights but some brave Patriots fight back and defeat the US army. Your boy alex jones says it's all based on fact. I'm pretty pumped to see it

Great, I've never watched an Alex Jones endorsed movie before, I'm sure you'll give it a great, albeit weird, review.   Oh and just because Alex Johns adheres himself to words that I use from time-to-time, doesn't make me an Alex Jones follower or fan.   I only read a few articles on his website, to follow the links to their news sources, of which many are in the foreign media.   I pay no attention to his take on things.

#explaining

It's necessary when dealing with extremely small geo-political minds such as yours.   It has to be done . . . not sorry.

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Post by: slobber on June 24, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
I am struggling with the recent 'explaining' thing.


Royals aren't gonna win 'em all
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Post by: memphis on June 24, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
i need to see a pro-leave guy that doesn't come off a complete lunatic. are there any of those or nah?

this guy comes off as more of a complete dumbass?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-leave-says-he-thought-his-vote-wouldnt-count-wins-moron-of-the-year-award-5964450/

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I’m a bit shocked to be honest.
I’m shocked that we actually have voted to Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.
My vote, I didn’t think was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to Remain, and the David Cameron resignation has blown me away to be honest.
I think the period of uncertainty that we’re going to have for the next couple of months, that’s just been magnified now.
So yeah, quite worried.

Anyone think it's weird they are making remain and leave into proper nouns?
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Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
They sorta made it a proper verb
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Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2016, 07:23:35 PM
I thought the EU was a stupid idea in the first place, but it scares me that it is mostly right wing extremists that were the vocal supporters of the #Brexit
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2016, 07:33:55 PM
I thought the EU was a stupid idea in the first place, but it scares me that it is mostly right wing extremists that were the vocal supporters of the #Brexit

Selfishly, I have really liked the EU because it has made a European war less likely.


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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
The president and the one world government deploy an emp that knocks out the countries power and communication grid and then declare martial law and confiscate guns and take away other rights but some brave Patriots fight back and defeat the US army. Your boy alex jones says it's all based on fact. I'm pretty pumped to see it

Alex Jones  :curse:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 07:50:12 PM
Weird meltdown by lib7

Also, a feeltheberner accusing someone else of being delusional  :lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 09:26:23 PM
People who prefer consolidated nearly dictatorial powers of unaccountable central governments are having a bad day.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2016, 09:27:43 PM
So KK when is the UK going to invade Europe? 
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 24, 2016, 09:38:06 PM
rip consolidated nearly dictatorial powers of unaccountable central governments
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
The UK was the one always under attack, in any event. The fascists still control the rest of the EU, so it won't be long before they attack again.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2016, 10:34:59 PM
The UK was always one toe in the EU, never adopting the crap currency and all.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 09:30:51 AM
Here's an essay attempting to explain the Leave pov

http://www.wsj.com/articles/brexit-a-very-british-revolution-1466800383?mod=e2tw

The Brits were fed up with an incompetent EU.
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Post by: Panjandrum on June 25, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
There is a petition on a second referendum with 1.6 million signatures. Any petition with 100,000 signatures debate in parliament.

Probably nothing, but there could be some fireworks.
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Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 25, 2016, 09:41:09 AM
Why do liberals care that the UK decided to govern itself?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
I wish those losers hadn't cratered the Dow
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2016, 09:57:10 AM
So KK when is the UK going to invade Europe?

The UK is not the concern, other than Northern Ireland reprising the troubles.


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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 09:58:15 AM
The Dow went down because the expectation was Remain. It's 30 multinational companies that face a sliver of uncertainty. It will be fine
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
Why do liberals care that the UK decided to govern itself?

It's an affront to their fantasy unelected progressive fascist world government.

Also, the working class led this charge, and liberals rough ridin' despise the working class.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
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Mr. Obama also overdid it when he notoriously told the British that, if they opted for Brexit, they would find themselves “in the back of the queue” for a trade deal with the U.S. That overlooked a basic point: The U.K. doesn’t currently have a trade deal with the U.S., despite being its largest foreign investor. Moreover, no deal seems forthcoming: The negotiations between the U.S. and the EU over the trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership are going slowly, and the Brits involved in the talks are in despair.


 :lol:
What a dolt.

Everything he touches is rough ridin' cursed to fail.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2016, 10:06:05 AM
The Dow went down because the expectation was Remain. It's 30 multinational companies that face a sliver of uncertainty. It will be fine

Cool thanks for high level investment advice, you must be a very wealthy investor.  How many jets do you own?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 10:14:37 AM
Sick burn
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
Sick burn

Was being serious
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Post by: memphis on June 25, 2016, 10:50:09 AM
Here's an essay attempting to explain the Leave pov

http://www.wsj.com/articles/brexit-a-very-british-revolution-1466800383?mod=e2tw

The Brits were fed up with an incompetent EU.

Good article. Globalization is a pickle

"Here, the Brexit battle lines ought to be familiar: They are similar to the socioeconomic battles being fought throughout so many Western democracies. It is the jet-set graduates versus the working class, the metropolitans versus the bumpkins—and, above all, the winners of globalization against its losers. Politicians, ever obsessed about the future, can tend to regard those left unprotected in our increasingly interconnected age as artifacts of the past. In fact, the losers of globalization are, by definition, as new as globalization itself.

To see such worries as resurgent nationalism is to oversimplify. The nation-state is a social construct: Done properly, it is the glue that binds society together. In Europe, the losers of globalization are seeking the protection of their nation-states, not a remote and unresponsive European superstate. They see the economy developing in ways that aren’t to their advantage and look to their governments to lend a helping hand—or at least attempt to control immigration. No EU country can honestly claim to control European immigration, and there is no prospect of this changing: These are the facts that led to Brexit."
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Post by: mocat on June 25, 2016, 11:00:08 AM


Why do liberals care that the UK decided to govern itself?

It's an affront to their fantasy unelected progressive fascist world government.

Also, the working class led this charge, and liberals rough ridin' despise the working class.


Link?
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Post by: Tobias on June 25, 2016, 11:11:48 AM
http://www.jackdaniels.com
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 25, 2016, 11:15:07 AM
 :lol:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 12:39:24 PM
I'm surprised  (not really) there aren't more micro level economic analysis (maybe there are and nobody cares to report). All you ever read is that first world countries are supposed to take it in the ass for the greater good of the world. Meanwhile everyone ignores all the Bullshit third world economic policy and the nonsense spain, Italy and similar  countries are engaged in.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2016, 01:09:41 PM
So KK when is the UK going to invade Europe?

The UK is not the concern, other than Northern Ireland reprising the troubles.


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Hey KK, NATO and the US are already doing a great job of ensuring another war in Europe.
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Post by: mocat on June 25, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
I'm surprised  (not really) there aren't more micro level economic analysis (maybe there are and nobody cares to report). All you ever read is that first world countries are supposed to take it in the ass for the greater good of the world. Meanwhile everyone ignores all the Bullshit third world economic policy and the nonsense spain, Italy and similar  countries are engaged in.

Shut the eff up and send me a link to back up your statement you lush
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Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2016, 01:44:37 PM
a lot of big feelings ITT
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Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2016, 01:53:51 PM
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/

good read but there is too much conjecture imo
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2016, 01:57:50 PM
So KK when is the UK going to invade Europe?

The UK is not the concern, other than Northern Ireland reprising the troubles.


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Hey KK, NATO and the US are already doing a great job of ensuring another war in Europe.

I think a US driven NATO is less likely to spark a conflict among European countries than a bunch of unallied re-militarized European countries.  Russia picking off eastern bloc countries and ultimately sparking a conflict is more or less likely with NATO or without NATO?
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Post by: wetwillie on June 25, 2016, 02:14:58 PM
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/

good read but there is too much conjecture imo

How is your Canadian friends European based company reacting to the vote?
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Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2016, 02:17:05 PM
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/

good read but there is too much conjecture imo

How is your Canadian friends European based company reacting to the vote?

neutral'y
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2016, 02:22:01 PM
i heard some guy on the radio speculating about the uk joining nafta, which would be awesome, imo.
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Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
i heard some guy on the radio speculating about the uk joining nafta, which would be awesome, imo.

yes
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Post by: memphis on June 25, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
i heard some guy on the radio speculating about the uk joining nafta, which would be awesome, imo.

Is he Chip Brownish or does this have legs?
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Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2016, 03:14:21 PM
i heard some guy on the radio speculating about the uk joining nafta, which would be awesome, imo.

Is he Chip Brownish or does this have legs?

I don't know who it was but I'm almost 100% certain it's West Virginia twitter person'ish
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2016, 03:24:11 PM
it was some economist type on cnbc or bloomberg.  just a like "there's no reason this couldn't happen" thing not a "i'm hearing this could happen" thing.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2016, 03:49:49 PM
So KK when is the UK going to invade Europe?

The UK is not the concern, other than Northern Ireland reprising the troubles.


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Hey KK, NATO and the US are already doing a great job of ensuring another war in Europe.

I think a US driven NATO is less likely to spark a conflict among European countries than a bunch of unallied re-militarized European countries.  Russia picking off eastern bloc countries and ultimately sparking a conflict is more or less likely with NATO or without NATO?

So NATO is disbanding?  Re-militarized?  Lotta high tech tanks, planes, artillery pieces, and troop carriers already in the hands of EU nations. 
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
So KK when is the UK going to invade Europe?

The UK is not the concern, other than Northern Ireland reprising the troubles.


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Hey KK, NATO and the US are already doing a great job of ensuring another war in Europe.

I think a US driven NATO is less likely to spark a conflict among European countries than a bunch of unallied re-militarized European countries.  Russia picking off eastern bloc countries and ultimately sparking a conflict is more or less likely with NATO or without NATO?

So NATO is disbanding?  Re-militarized?  Lotta high tech tanks, planes, artillery pieces, and troop carriers already in the hands of EU nations.

I have no idea what is going to happen.  But the "United States of Europe" may or may not be breaking up.  Seems like that could be bad for peace.


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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2016, 04:35:40 PM
i heard some guy on the radio speculating about the uk joining nafta, which would be awesome, imo.

Is he Chip Brownish or does this have legs?

I don't know who it was but I'm almost 100% certain it's West Virginia twitter person'ish

Would D-stone go all in on @thedudeofUK?  eff yes he would
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Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 25, 2016, 09:11:48 PM
I wish those losers hadn't cratered the Dow

Total emotionally driven crater. It's like when obama talks about the markets and they crash.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 09:59:34 PM
I'm surprised  (not really) there aren't more micro level economic analysis (maybe there are and nobody cares to report). All you ever read is that first world countries are supposed to take it in the ass for the greater good of the world. Meanwhile everyone ignores all the Bullshit third world economic policy and the nonsense spain, Italy and similar  countries are engaged in.

Shut the eff up and send me a link to back up your statement you lush

Links  :curse:

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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2016, 10:25:14 PM
The EU defunding Nato is so EU. The organization no longer does anything it was intended to do.
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Post by: renocat on June 25, 2016, 11:40:10 PM
Good.  I would be upset by all of Syrian refugees invading my country and trying to change the koo koo.  I would like to see a Union of English Speaking nation.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
dax, fsd etc.  what do you think will happen with brexit?  UK just immediately being awesome?  UK dissolves in to independent countries and everyone is better off?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 26, 2016, 08:19:27 AM
The EU defunding Nato is so EU. The organization no longer does anything it was intended to do.

I had to check if it even existed anymore.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 26, 2016, 09:41:43 AM
dax, fsd etc.  what do you think will happen with brexit?  UK just immediately being awesome?  UK dissolves in to independent countries and everyone is better off?
In a nutshell:

Economically speaking, virtually nothing.

Domestically speaking, dont care, but the UK gets its identity and sovereignty back.

Politically speaking, European (i.e., California) bullshit is symbolically and substantively knocked a few steps back.

I don't think it will lead to a war that wouldn't have happened anyways.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 10:04:02 AM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

I am more concerned with the fracturing of nation states as currently organized...Do you think Scotland breaks away?  To what effect?  Do you think the EU starts to break away?  To what effect?

My biggest fear is that European separatists start to fracture all the nation states at the same time that the international institutions fail and that it starts with the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland) then spreads to Spain (Catalonia, Gibraltar, basque) then to Italy (North/South) etc.


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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 26, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
When nafta started, a Canadian (real person) told me that it stood for not another rough ridin' trade agreement.
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Post by: sys on June 26, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

i mean, it really just depends entirely on what agreements replace it.  i kinda agree with fsd that the new structures will pretty much keep almost all of the trade continuity and probably also most of the movement of labor/exchange of social services.

My biggest fear is that European separatists start to fracture all the nation states at the same time that the international institutions fail and that it starts with the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland) then spreads to Spain (Catalonia, Gibraltar, basque) then to Italy (North/South) etc.

i think your fear confuses cause and effect.  i would also conjecture that scotland would only leave the uk if they are guaranteed entry into the eu, so that would actually strengthen the eu.  i think your other proposed fractures would also strengthen the eu (small states need the common market more than large states. really, the idea of splitting off these little micro nationalities into states is only viable within a framework like the eu).

best case scenario, the uk moves to eu lite by another name, the continental members remain and the eu becomes more responsive to member states complaints.  it's not hard to see this being a net positive long-term.
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 26, 2016, 01:01:16 PM
I have no idea what will happen. Kind of exciting
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Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2016, 01:09:53 PM
It may have been the right decision but it was made for the wrong reasons
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Post by: treysolid on June 26, 2016, 01:13:10 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

i mean, it really just depends entirely on what agreements replace it.  i kinda agree with fsd that the new structures will pretty much keep almost all of the trade continuity and probably also most of the movement of labor/exchange of social services.

My biggest fear is that European separatists start to fracture all the nation states at the same time that the international institutions fail and that it starts with the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland) then spreads to Spain (Catalonia, Gibraltar, basque) then to Italy (North/South) etc.

i think your fear confuses cause and effect.  i would also conjecture that scotland would only leave the uk if they are guaranteed entry into the eu, so that would actually strengthen the eu.  i think your other proposed fractures would also strengthen the eu (small states need the common market more than large states. really, the idea of splitting off these little micro nationalities into states is only viable within a framework like the eu).

best case scenario, the uk moves to eu lite by another name, the continental members remain and the eu becomes more responsive to member states complaints.  it's not hard to see this being a net positive long-term.

i think it's a much more scary situation than that. right-wing leaders in Finland, Austria, the Netherlands, France and Hungary are already calling on in/out referendums in those countries. the EU was set up to stop Europe from tearing itself apart after WWII by linking them economically, considering that the power vacuums that existed after WWI lead directly to the next great war. if the stronger, more populous and more prosperous countries leave the EU, it has two really negative consequences in my mind. The first is that it exacerbates the Syrian refugee crisis by leaving countries that are wholly ill-equipped to handle it all alone. The second is that it will more than likely embolden Russia to become more aggressive towards EU countries in general and the Baltic states specifically, and there is a high likelihood that Russia will do to those countries what it's been doing to Ukraine for the past 3 years.
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Post by: chum1 on June 26, 2016, 01:52:08 PM
It would be most appropriate and fitting if this ends up costing tons of money without resulting in any measurable change beyond how it makes some old people feel about what kind of political ideology they believe their country has.
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Post by: sys on June 26, 2016, 02:29:23 PM
i think it's a much more scary situation than that. right-wing leaders in Finland, Austria, the Netherlands, France and Hungary are already calling on in/out referendums in those countries.

oh yeah, it's also not hard to see how it could be a disaster, long-term.  i agree with you that the contagion danger is in the rise of nationalism among the large established nation-states not in a rise among the separatists championing microstates for intrastate nationalities.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 26, 2016, 03:36:23 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

The EU was important when it was about creating an economic state. It has devolved into the UN's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) cousin. It advances a leftist-progressive-fascist political agenda, and has abandoned free markets and the unified military.  Economically, many of the things it originally stood for pre-existed, like free trade. Adopting what is essentially the UCC across Europe and other civil business code was/is great. Requiring germany and the uk to repeatedly bail out worthless social welfare states who refuse to adopt 1st world economic policy is absurd. Imparting social policy upon its members is outrageous. It needs to go back to what it originally stood for, or it will and should fall apart.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 26, 2016, 03:37:47 PM
If Muslim immigration is so bad it starts causing the EU to fall apart, we probably should look really hard at this Muslim thing again.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 04:15:50 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

i mean, it really just depends entirely on what agreements replace it.  i kinda agree with fsd that the new structures will pretty much keep almost all of the trade continuity and probably also most of the movement of labor/exchange of social services.

My biggest fear is that European separatists start to fracture all the nation states at the same time that the international institutions fail and that it starts with the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland) then spreads to Spain (Catalonia, Gibraltar, basque) then to Italy (North/South) etc.

i think your fear confuses cause and effect.  i would also conjecture that scotland would only leave the uk if they are guaranteed entry into the eu, so that would actually strengthen the eu.  i think your other proposed fractures would also strengthen the eu (small states need the common market more than large states. really, the idea of splitting off these little micro nationalities into states is only viable within a framework like the eu).

best case scenario, the uk moves to eu lite by another name, the continental members remain and the eu becomes more responsive to member states complaints.  it's not hard to see this being a net positive long-term.

1) under my scenario several big states have already dropped out (France likely next because pissed at Germany)

2) if nation states fracture, and the EU does not have as much sway, what happens when Spain decides that Basque independence is South Carolina nullification? 



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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 26, 2016, 04:19:09 PM
Fractured nation states exist, and have existed for centuries. The EU can't possibly claim to have solved that.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 04:21:24 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

The EU was important when it was about creating an economic state. It has devolved into the UN's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) cousin. It advances a leftist-progressive-fascist political agenda, and has abandoned free markets and the unified military.  Economically, many of the things it originally stood for pre-existed, like free trade. Adopting what is essentially the UCC across Europe and other civil business code was/is great. Requiring germany and the uk to repeatedly bail out worthless social welfare states who refuse to adopt 1st world economic policy is absurd. Imparting social policy upon its members is outrageous. It needs to go back to what it originally stood for, or it will and should fall apart.

I don't really think Greece got much of a bailout.  They are on the hook for an enormous sum still.

The weirdest part for me is the UK seemingly already had the best of both worlds, the EU work permits, but not Schengen and their own currency.  I just don't understand what sovereignty was threatened.


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Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2016, 04:25:44 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

The EU was important when it was about creating an economic state. It has devolved into the UN's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) cousin. It advances a leftist-progressive-fascist political agenda, and has abandoned free markets and the unified military.  Economically, many of the things it originally stood for pre-existed, like free trade. Adopting what is essentially the UCC across Europe and other civil business code was/is great. Requiring germany and the uk to repeatedly bail out worthless social welfare states who refuse to adopt 1st world economic policy is absurd. Imparting social policy upon its members is outrageous. It needs to go back to what it originally stood for, or it will and should fall apart.

I don't really think Greece got much of a bailout.  They are on the hook for an enormous sum still.

The weirdest part for me is the UK seemingly already had the best of both worlds, the EU work permits, but not Schengen and their own currency.  I just don't understand what sovereignty was threatened.


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The ability to control how many Brown people came into their country via EU countries.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 04:26:46 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

The EU was important when it was about creating an economic state. It has devolved into the UN's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) cousin. It advances a leftist-progressive-fascist political agenda, and has abandoned free markets and the unified military.  Economically, many of the things it originally stood for pre-existed, like free trade. Adopting what is essentially the UCC across Europe and other civil business code was/is great. Requiring germany and the uk to repeatedly bail out worthless social welfare states who refuse to adopt 1st world economic policy is absurd. Imparting social policy upon its members is outrageous. It needs to go back to what it originally stood for, or it will and should fall apart.

I don't really think Greece got much of a bailout.  They are on the hook for an enormous sum still.

The weirdest part for me is the UK seemingly already had the best of both worlds, the EU work permits, but not Schengen and their own currency.  I just don't understand what sovereignty was threatened.


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The ability to control how many Brown people came into their country via EU countries.

They already had border controls!


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Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2016, 04:29:35 PM
I think most of what you said is certainly possible.  I don't know how you square 1 with 2 tho, either the EU was important or it wasn't--> there is either a bunch of economic fallout and UK reclaims its "sovereignty" or there is very little disruption substantively to the trade agreements.

The EU was important when it was about creating an economic state. It has devolved into the UN's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) cousin. It advances a leftist-progressive-fascist political agenda, and has abandoned free markets and the unified military.  Economically, many of the things it originally stood for pre-existed, like free trade. Adopting what is essentially the UCC across Europe and other civil business code was/is great. Requiring germany and the uk to repeatedly bail out worthless social welfare states who refuse to adopt 1st world economic policy is absurd. Imparting social policy upon its members is outrageous. It needs to go back to what it originally stood for, or it will and should fall apart.

I don't really think Greece got much of a bailout.  They are on the hook for an enormous sum still.

The weirdest part for me is the UK seemingly already had the best of both worlds, the EU work permits, but not Schengen and their own currency.  I just don't understand what sovereignty was threatened.


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The ability to control how many Brown people came into their country via EU countries.

They already had border controls!


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I thought EU member countries could move freely to other countries?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 26, 2016, 04:44:21 PM
The "human rights" court, as a starter, usurped sovereignty.  the ability of these countries to make their own laws (i.e., govern) was being diminished at an increasing rate.
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Post by: sys on June 26, 2016, 04:52:51 PM
The ability to control how many Brown people came into their country via EU countries.

more about controlling the number of eastern europeans, muslim refugees second.  they already have a font of generic brown people with the right to immigrate due to the commonwealth.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
@wetwillie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area)
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 05:17:50 PM
lol Boris is already distancing himself from actually implementing Leave.

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Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
@wetwillie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area)

Well hot damn.  I'm starting to think these old British people got hoodwinked.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 05:32:33 PM
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Post by: TheHamburglar on June 26, 2016, 05:38:02 PM
So, is it safe to say this Boris guy wanted to gain popularity by being pro-leave, but didn't think it'd actually happen and doesn't want to actually deal with it?
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Post by: Panjandrum on June 26, 2016, 05:40:49 PM
lol Boris is already distancing himself from actually implementing Leave.

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Wait...they want the benefits but don't want the cons?

Well, hell, no wonder that won. I'd like to vote for that, too.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
So, is it safe to say this Boris guy wanted to gain popularity by being pro-leave, but didn't think it'd actually happen and doesn't want to actually deal with it?

Lots of people think that Cameron resigned quickly to ensure that Boris had to deal with all the fallout/details.  They are nemeses.


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Post by: treysolid on June 26, 2016, 10:48:50 PM
So, is it safe to say this Boris guy wanted to gain popularity by being pro-leave, but didn't think it'd actually happen and doesn't want to actually deal with it?

Lots of people think that Cameron resigned quickly to ensure that Boris had to deal with all the fallout/details.  They are nemeses.


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As he should. eff Boris.
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Post by: Panjandrum on June 26, 2016, 11:22:47 PM
So, is it safe to say this Boris guy wanted to gain popularity by being pro-leave, but didn't think it'd actually happen and doesn't want to actually deal with it?

Lots of people think that Cameron resigned quickly to ensure that Boris had to deal with all the fallout/details.  They are nemeses.


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He's pretty vocal that he doesn't want them triggering Article 50 until he leaves.
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Post by: TCUHornedFrog on June 27, 2016, 10:47:24 AM
The UK isn't leaving.  They'll start negotiations and realize that not much will change and they will stay in the EU.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
Man the Neo Statists in residence may get to celebrate after all. 
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 27, 2016, 11:33:28 AM
Just so we are all on the same page, who are the neo statists in residence?
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Post by: cfbandyman on June 27, 2016, 12:10:30 PM
@wetwillie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area)

Yeah, this is what kills me about this whole thing, The UK hasn't been part of the Schengen Area, like ever, and have control over their borders, anyone who has traveled in the Chunel will see that in process (most people thing it's just some security check, it kinda is, but really it's an entry into the Schengen Area process), so wtf are they trying to do? Oh, be a bunch of racist a-holes. Ah, Ok.

lol Boris is already distancing himself from actually implementing Leave.

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Wait...they want the benefits but don't want the cons?

Well, hell, no wonder that won. I'd like to vote for that, too.

Pretty much. I guess. IDK, shows that Brits can be just a stupid as us. Like father like son. Or son like father. Any rate, not wanting to be part of the largest single market (the EU) is the stupidest thing you could wish upon yourself. But I bet they don't end up leaving, and things get updated and amended. So I guess small victories for the UK.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 27, 2016, 12:21:45 PM
Can we keep the twitter anecdotes and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) conjecture concerning the same in the Facebook thread?

K thx
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 27, 2016, 12:30:09 PM
Also, could the neo statists refraim from asking the same questions that have already been answered?

Also also, Schengun doesn't mean the UK didn't have freedom of movement restrictions/obligations. Stop acting like fucktards, or do so in the Facebook thread.
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Post by: sys on June 27, 2016, 12:30:42 PM
good quick look at possible trade arrangements.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36639261
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 27, 2016, 12:35:46 PM
When nafta started, a Canadian (real person) told me that it stood for not another rough ridin' trade agreement.

at the time, it made me think that Canada was part of a lot of trade agreements and that NAFTA was just one more trade agreement.
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Post by: Panjandrum on June 27, 2016, 12:41:28 PM
A lot of folks are focused on the economics, but the disintegration of the Labour party leadership in protest of Corbyn is fascinating.
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on June 27, 2016, 01:14:00 PM
The UK isn't leaving.  They'll start negotiations and realize that not much will change and they will stay in the EU.

They have tminvoke Article 50 to begin negotiations.   Once they invoke, they HAVE to leave eventually.
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Post by: TCUHornedFrog on June 27, 2016, 02:23:47 PM


They have tminvoke Article 50 to begin negotiations.   Once they invoke, they HAVE to leave eventually.

EU members can allow them to stay after negotiations start.
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Post by: Yard Dog on June 27, 2016, 03:11:26 PM


They have tminvoke Article 50 to begin negotiations.   Once they invoke, they HAVE to leave eventually.

EU members can allow them to stay after negotiations start.

But would that soft stance encourage other nations to pull the same crap?
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Post by: ChiCat on June 27, 2016, 03:12:22 PM


They have tminvoke Article 50 to begin negotiations.   Once they invoke, they HAVE to leave eventually.

EU members can allow them to stay after negotiations start.

But would that soft stance encourage other nations to pull the same crap?

I don't think any other nation is encouraged to pull the same crap right now
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/27/italy-eyes-40bn-bank-rescue-as-first-brexit-domino-falls/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/27/italy-eyes-40bn-bank-rescue-as-first-brexit-domino-falls/)

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Post by: Panjandrum on June 28, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
And then Nigel Farage went to the EU because...well, just because.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-brexit-eu-referendum/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-brexit-eu-referendum/index.html)

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The most vocal architect of Britain's seismic decision to leave the European Union thumbed his nose at the EU Parliament Tuesday as members booed and turned their backs on him, in the most visible clash of ideologies between Britain and Europe since last week's vote.

Nigel Farage, leader of the far-right UK Independence Party (UKIP), gloated unapologetically and antagonized a battered union in Brussels, calling for free trade with the bloc while insulting members in the same breath.

"Isn't it funny? When I came here 17 years ago and I said that I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain out of the European Union, you all laughed at me. Well, I have to say, you're not laughing now, are you?" he said.

"I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job. But listen, just listen," Farage said at the special meeting, held to address the Brexit fallout.

In an interview later with CNN, Farage brushed off his comments as a light-hearted joke, saying that the EU had called him "all the names under the sun."

"They don't like me. It's mutual," he said.
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Post by: steve dave on June 28, 2016, 02:46:25 PM
HE SAYS WHAT HE THINKS!
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2016, 08:36:38 PM
Neo Statists are very arrogant and cannot handle non abiders.
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Post by: michigancat on June 28, 2016, 09:18:34 PM
Wait the EU has a parliament? Does the UK know this?
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Post by: Panjandrum on June 29, 2016, 05:12:44 PM
Wait the EU has a parliament? Does the UK know this?

Considering the #2 most googled phrase after the vote was, "What is the EU?", my guess is, no, they didn't know that.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 29, 2016, 08:23:58 PM
Stock markets say WGAF

Neosho statists =  :bawl:
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Post by: wetwillie on June 29, 2016, 08:31:16 PM
Pound is back up to pre brexit levels too
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 29, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
Stock markets say WGAF

Neosho statists =  :bawl:

The image of this made me  :D
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Post by: Panjandrum on June 29, 2016, 11:33:26 PM
Stock markets say WGAF

Neosho statists =  :bawl:

From what I read, it bounced back because folks realized that nothing is going to happen in the meantime, and they won't really know what happens until they trigger Article 50 and start working through everything with the EU.  Also, folks realized that they can get stocks in the FTSE 100 at bargain basement prices.  When you expand out to the FTSE 250, it hasn't recovered from pre-Brexit levels yet, but most likely will level out at some point soon.

I don't think it's the stock market that everyone is really worried about.  It's what happens with Scotland, Ireland, future trade deals, existing immigrants in the workforce and other things that will most likely take years to identify true impact.

I personally don't think that this is something we're going to be able to definitively say was good or bad for at least 5-10 years.  It's something we'll look back on in 2025 and probably make some legit observations.

Like, when Nebraska left for the Big Ten, they didn't start sucking at football overnight.  It took a few years and a full recruiting class removed from Texas before they started going 5-7. (Shameless Smoke your cigars plug  :D)
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Post by: Cire on June 30, 2016, 07:53:24 AM
Weird the pubs are having the biggest meltdowns over this


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Post by: Panjandrum on June 30, 2016, 09:03:44 AM
And Boris Johnson says, "Nah, I'm good."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/europe/uk-conservative-pm-candidates/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/europe/uk-conservative-pm-candidates/index.html)

And while I didn't agree with the exit, I respect this:

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May: 'No second referendum'
The 52% vote to leave the EU sent the pound tumbling, hurt global markets and inspired renewed talk of Scottish independence.
Amid the turmoil, members of the public, as well as MPs, have called for a second, do-over referendum before the government formally begins the process of leaving the European Union.

But although she campaigned to remain, May said Thursday that there could be no revisiting the vote.

"Brexit means Brexit. The campaign was fought. The vote was held. Turnout was high, and the public gave their verdict," she said.

"There may be no attempts to remain inside the EU, no attempts to rejoin it through the back door. And no second referendum."
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Post by: Dlew12 on June 30, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Just glad the market bounced back quickly.  Do not care about European issues other than the impact they have on good 'ol Dlew12.
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Post by: treysolid on June 30, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Stock markets say WGAF

Neosho statists =  :bawl:

From what I read, it bounced back because folks realized that nothing is going to happen in the meantime, and they won't really know what happens until they trigger Article 50 and start working through everything with the EU.  Also, folks realized that they can get stocks in the FTSE 100 at bargain basement prices.  When you expand out to the FTSE 250, it hasn't recovered from pre-Brexit levels yet, but most likely will level out at some point soon.

I don't think it's the stock market that everyone is really worried about.  It's what happens with Scotland, Ireland, future trade deals, existing immigrants in the workforce and other things that will most likely take years to identify true impact.

I personally don't think that this is something we're going to be able to definitively say was good or bad for at least 5-10 years.  It's something we'll look back on in 2025 and probably make some legit observations.

Like, when Nebraska left for the Big Ten, they didn't start sucking at football overnight.  It took a few years and a full recruiting class removed from Texas before they started going 5-7. (Shameless Smoke your cigars plug  :D)

Also, FSD apparently doesn't understand that the markets and currency are negatively correlated. It's not surprising that the market is up while the pound tanks.
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Post by: Dlew12 on June 30, 2016, 12:39:52 PM
Stock markets say WGAF

Neosho statists =  :bawl:

From what I read, it bounced back because folks realized that nothing is going to happen in the meantime, and they won't really know what happens until they trigger Article 50 and start working through everything with the EU.  Also, folks realized that they can get stocks in the FTSE 100 at bargain basement prices.  When you expand out to the FTSE 250, it hasn't recovered from pre-Brexit levels yet, but most likely will level out at some point soon.

I don't think it's the stock market that everyone is really worried about.  It's what happens with Scotland, Ireland, future trade deals, existing immigrants in the workforce and other things that will most likely take years to identify true impact.

I personally don't think that this is something we're going to be able to definitively say was good or bad for at least 5-10 years.  It's something we'll look back on in 2025 and probably make some legit observations.

Like, when Nebraska left for the Big Ten, they didn't start sucking at football overnight.  It took a few years and a full recruiting class removed from Texas before they started going 5-7. (Shameless Smoke your cigars plug  :D)

Also, FSD apparently doesn't understand that the markets and currency are negatively correlated. It's not surprising that the market is up while the pound tanks.
Sounds like the limeys' loss is dlew12's gain.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 30, 2016, 04:46:42 PM
Stock markets say WGAF

Neosho statists =  :bawl:

From what I read, it bounced back because folks realized that nothing is going to happen in the meantime, and they won't really know what happens until they trigger Article 50 and start working through everything with the EU.  Also, folks realized that they can get stocks in the FTSE 100 at bargain basement prices.  When you expand out to the FTSE 250, it hasn't recovered from pre-Brexit levels yet, but most likely will level out at some point soon.

I don't think it's the stock market that everyone is really worried about.  It's what happens with Scotland, Ireland, future trade deals, existing immigrants in the workforce and other things that will most likely take years to identify true impact.

I personally don't think that this is something we're going to be able to definitively say was good or bad for at least 5-10 years.  It's something we'll look back on in 2025 and probably make some legit observations.

Like, when Nebraska left for the Big Ten, they didn't start sucking at football overnight.  It took a few years and a full recruiting class removed from Texas before they started going 5-7. (Shameless Smoke your cigars plug  :D)

Also, FSD apparently doesn't understand that the markets and currency are negatively correlated. It's not surprising that the market is up while the pound tanks.

I was making fun of you idiots
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Post by: Panjandrum on July 01, 2016, 08:38:09 AM
I don't think we can call Brexit a success or that it's had no impact as of yet.  The entire political system is in chaos.  The Tory party is in turmoil, the Labour party is being torn apart.  Their credit rating was downgraded.  Incidents of racism are up.  Economists are still predicting recession. 

The Stock Market is raising because investors are picking up cheap stocks.  Big companies, like those in the FTSE 100, will be fine, most likely.  Everywhere else, there's turmoil.

Again, this may be good for them in the long term, but no one knows at this point.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 01, 2016, 08:48:13 AM
I Only Buy Cheap Stocks :ksugrad:

"Incidents of racism are up"  :runaway:
Brexit  :curse:
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on July 06, 2016, 11:39:03 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/aqQ4H6i.jpg)

Sorry sd
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 06, 2016, 12:05:37 PM
That was really stupid, lib.

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Post by: renocat on July 06, 2016, 09:17:50 PM
I hope every member leaves.  This is an unnatural amalgamation of counties.  It's like throwing all of the farm animals in the same pen, and hoping unnatural sex will produce something good.
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Post by: eastcat on July 13, 2016, 05:18:09 PM
The EU is Germany's 4th Reich attempt by softer means.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 08:08:19 PM
That Boring Johnson guy the libtards hate mushed their faces today
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2016, 10:15:43 PM
Has the EU stopped trading with England yet?
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on July 18, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
I don't think they have left yet, fsd  :dunno:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2016, 10:56:01 PM
I think the market reaction to, what is essentially the beginning of the end of the greatest economic agreement in world history, is pretty rough ridin' hilarious. :lol:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2016, 11:00:59 PM
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Post by: bucket on July 18, 2016, 11:02:15 PM

Still hilarious!   :lol:
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Post by: stunted on July 31, 2016, 07:38:15 AM
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/353991-brexit-reality-implications-referendum/

Media  :curse : :lol:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2016, 03:28:41 AM
She's so disgusting
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on August 01, 2016, 10:06:50 AM
Man, WackyCat08 got faced af on a Sunday night
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 02, 2016, 08:17:54 AM
Not really, but I did have Monday off, for a golf tournament, soo. no BD!
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Post by: chum1 on November 03, 2016, 05:43:29 AM
 :)
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 22, 2017, 07:54:46 AM
So France has round 1 of their presidential election this weekend. Several of the top candidates oppose the EU and/or advocate for strong borders.

Which, of course, are invented problems manufactured by the fringe per the libtards.
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Post by: SdK on April 22, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
The French electoral system seems pretty great to me.
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Post by: SdK on April 22, 2017, 10:29:54 AM
Much better than this antiquated bullshit we have in the us
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Post by: sys on June 24, 2018, 05:43:11 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
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Post by: mocat on July 09, 2018, 01:53:41 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-minister-in-charge-of-brexit-negotiations-resigns-1531092427 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-minister-in-charge-of-brexit-negotiations-resigns-1531092427)
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Post by: Kat Kid on July 25, 2018, 06:05:59 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 07:44:33 AM
No one is going to trade with the UK anymore? 

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Post by: Kat Kid on July 25, 2018, 07:48:40 AM
Then: “More money for NHS!”
 
Now: “No food shortages!”


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Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 08:45:52 AM
i hope italy is paying attention to how well brexit is working out.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 09:34:24 AM
You mean German dominated debt restructured Italy?
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Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 09:46:45 AM
i also hope germany is paying attention to the success of euro-skeptic political movements across the eu.
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Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 07:13:00 AM
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like (http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like)
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 12:10:52 PM
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like (http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like)

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Post by: wetwillie on July 27, 2018, 12:22:43 PM
At least they don’t have to accept immigrants and transients unconditionally anymore.
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Post by: sys on August 12, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
meanwhile, eastern euro immigration was busy solving itself.

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Post by: sys on August 13, 2018, 11:27:24 AM
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Post by: chum1 on November 15, 2018, 08:46:00 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 15, 2018, 11:14:09 AM
We need uniform ideas, slogans and emblems for that new Euro Army.  Get to work guys.

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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on November 15, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
You first
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2018, 08:00:34 AM
Strident Euro Regionalism (with hints of Nationalism):  Good

U.S. Nationalism:  Bad

Did I get that right?
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Post by: steve dave on November 16, 2018, 08:15:59 AM
Strident Euro Regionalism (with hints of Nationalism):  Good

lmao
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Post by: steve dave on November 16, 2018, 08:19:51 AM
we talked to the anti-brexit protest people in London. they just chill out by parliament with their signs every day and make british jokes. like, some people who I don't know walked out of the building and they started a chant of, "maybe this was a bad idea? maybe this was a bad idea?"
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2018, 08:22:01 AM
Strident Euro Regionalism (with hints of Nationalism):  Good

lmao

Tap out noted
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Post by: 8manpick on November 16, 2018, 08:23:26 AM
I’m going to be in London in a couple weeks, hopefully the pound crashes for like a weekend or so
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on November 16, 2018, 08:32:20 AM
What an odd motto that would be, lol
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2018, 08:34:41 AM
What an odd motto that would be, lol

You guys were supposed to come up with the motto, dummy.

Right now lib is grading out at a D- on gEing.   It's just been awful lately.

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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on November 16, 2018, 08:37:10 AM
What's up with all the anger lately bud? Try relaxing, it's Friday!
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Post by: chum1 on November 16, 2018, 08:37:27 AM
Slogan idea:

Just thinking back to that time in the year of the great bendover when [some or other dumb stuff]. sad...just sad. :facepalm:
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Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on November 16, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
Needs more parentheses, but a solid start dumb1
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2018, 09:06:04 AM
Slogan idea:

Just thinking back to that time in the year of the great bendover when [some or other dumb stuff]. sad...just sad. :facepalm:

With facts as our guide it's just a shame that resident Libbot Nation doesn't recognize the Great Bendover 2012 to 2016 and the mess it left behind.   But Libbot Nation is best at circling the wagons and protecting their own.

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Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 04:45:27 PM
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Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 01:09:45 PM
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Post by: treysolid on January 15, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
May's deal rejected by over two thirds. Hopefully, now they can reverse the referendum.
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Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 02:25:54 PM
brutal.  apparently people think may can survive tomorrow?  hard to reconcile with today's vote, but i don't pretend to understand brexit politics.
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Post by: sys on February 25, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
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Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2019, 03:16:32 PM
lmao
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Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 06:52:33 PM
"at least we're not brexit" really does give me some comfort in these dark days.

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Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2019, 07:00:16 PM
It’s very lmao and a nice mirror of our dumb asses


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Post by: sys on March 13, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
wow, today's vote was close.

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Post by: sys on March 13, 2019, 05:37:35 PM
although, technically, she also won.

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Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 06:13:27 PM
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Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 12:02:17 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2019, 05:08:12 PM
Paris burns while Mac drinks wine in the alps.

How positively "let them eat cake"ish

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Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2019, 05:45:32 PM
Paris burns while Mac drinks wine in the alps.

Where does dax learn to talk like this? Alex Jones? Breitbart?
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Post by: Spracne on March 18, 2019, 06:50:42 PM
I actually thought that was a fairly erudite allegory, even if I disagree with the characterization.

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Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2019, 07:02:25 PM
Yeah, I think it's the dramatic, expressive language used not merely to exaggerate, but to fabricate that stood out to me.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2019, 08:15:27 AM
I had forgotten how easily triggered Chum is, he really gets upset if anyone says anything about one of his favorite failing world leaders.

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Post by: treysolid on March 19, 2019, 10:21:48 AM
I actually thought that was a fairly erudite allegory, even if I disagree with the characterization.

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it's even more erudite to know that the last queen of france never said that.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2019, 11:31:36 AM
I actually thought that was a fairly erudite allegory, even if I disagree with the characterization.

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it's even more erudite to know that the last queen of france never said that.

Don't recall attributing that to a specific person, but thank you for your input.
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Post by: treysolid on March 19, 2019, 11:55:20 AM
I actually thought that was a fairly erudite allegory, even if I disagree with the characterization.

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it's even more erudite to know that the last queen of france never said that.

Don't recall attributing that to a specific person, but thank you for your input.

Don't recall directly addressing your post, but thank you for your input. While I've got you on the line, is it more or less "let them eat cake"-ish to play golf at your private golf club in the immediate aftermath of Puerto Rico being hit by Maria?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
I actually thought that was a fairly erudite allegory, even if I disagree with the characterization.

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it's even more erudite to know that the last queen of france never said that.

Don't recall attributing that to a specific person, but thank you for your input.

Don't recall directly addressing your post, but thank you for your input. While I've got you on the line, is it more or less "let them eat cake"-ish to play golf at your private golf club in the immediate aftermath of Puerto Rico being hit by Maria?

It's okay as long as you send them billions of dollars.

But I know, I know.   Libderp Nation doesn't bother to look at what a shitty and corrupt entity PREPA was (and still is) among many things, and LibDerp Nation never bothers to educate themselves on the processes and how PREPA still needs to submit it's final long term proposal for strengthening the PR power grid etc. etc.    BTW, the Federal Gov't will likely pay for all of this . . . congrats to Siemens, though, nice contract.
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Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 12:51:01 PM
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Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
I just like these.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2019, 11:32:19 AM
In other news the United States Air Force continues ongoing squadron and air wing mass redeployment exercises . . . just gotta practice so they can make sure they can get over and save Angie Merkel's (and others) too fat to fight military.   All of this at great expense to the U.S. taxpayer.

Angie Merkel's still suckling on Vlad Putin's gas pump, though (pun not intended . . . or was it?), and said gas lines still by-passing former Eastern Bloc countries.   



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Post by: sys on March 29, 2019, 09:51:02 AM
it's all so amazing.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
Angie Merkel buys Vlad's gas.

Now Erdogan buys Vlad's missiles.

But let's keep spending billions every year to ensure we can come to these guys rescue when their military crumbles after about 5 hours fighting the Russians.

https://www.businessinsider.com/erdogan-says-turkey-will-never-go-back-from-s-400-deal-with-russia-may-look-into-s-500-2019-3
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Post by: chum1 on April 01, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
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Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 04:14:50 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2019, 03:22:40 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
I agree with admitted homophobe Mike Pence on this one
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2019, 06:31:18 AM
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Post by: catastrophe on April 13, 2019, 12:59:16 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on April 13, 2019, 01:21:34 PM
:lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
In part 1000 of:  Why do we continue to spend billions to protect these too fat to fight people.

JCPOA: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action aka How the EU can keep trading with the Mullahs of Iran (who are now basically admitting they're on the cusp of fissionable material for nuclear weapons and have not abated their weapons delivery programs in any way or at any time).

Just like the U.S., the EU is all talk about human rights.
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Post by: steve dave on May 20, 2019, 09:05:29 AM
Brit MAGAs are as lmao as US MAGAs

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Post by: Kat Kid on May 20, 2019, 09:39:24 AM
The color of the passports must be changed!
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Post by: catastrophe on May 20, 2019, 10:11:03 AM
Yeah I was gonna lol about someone whose top 5 political priorities include wailing on school children and inefficient lightbulbs, but passport color as #2 is even more lol.
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Post by: sys on May 20, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
i didn't realize the eu was being such a dick about the passport color.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
EU countries soon to enforce borders (gasp, borders!!) check that, "virtual borders" with massive drone fleets?

Stay tuned . . . The EU:  We'll pick and choose when we want to get overrun by immigrants

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:46:53 AM
Lira tanking . . . Turkey still sending military personnel to Russia to get trained on the Russian Air Defense system.

U.S threatening sanctions.

For those keeping score at home:

EU:  Still doing business with Iran

Angie Merkel:  Still buying Vlad Putin's gas

Turkey:  Still wanting to buy air defense system from Russians

Great friends, Europe . . . but let's continue to spend billions to protect them.

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Post by: bucket on May 22, 2019, 01:12:39 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2019, 05:57:27 AM
In a show of solidarity with immigrants resident LibDerp's and LibDerp Nation will be (they won't) boycotting Denmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.
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Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2019, 06:24:09 AM
I’m boycotting Denmark


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Post by: Institutional Control on June 04, 2019, 07:38:41 AM
I've been boycotting Denmark my entire life.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2019, 08:18:06 AM
In a show of solidarity with immigrants resident LibDerp's and LibDerp Nation will be (they won't) boycotting Denmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.


Seems much less restrictive than our current policies.
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Post by: catastrophe on June 04, 2019, 08:25:06 AM
Boycotting Denmark.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2019, 09:12:52 AM
In a show of solidarity with immigrants resident LibDerp's and LibDerp Nation will be (they won't) boycotting Denmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.


Seems much less restrictive than our current policies.

Our current policies are releasing thousands of illegals into the county and has citizenship application approvals at a 5 year high.

Nice effort though.

More and more European countries are getting very restrictive on immigration (and rescuing refugees in distress). 
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2019, 09:15:16 AM
In a show of solidarity with immigrants resident LibDerp's and LibDerp Nation will be (they won't) boycotting Denmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.


Seems much less restrictive than our current policies.

Our current policies are releasing thousands of illegals into the county and has citizenship application approvals at a 5 year high.

Nice effort though.

More and more European countries are getting very restrictive on immigration (and rescuing refugees in distress).

Our current policies deport almost all of them.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 05:42:16 AM
In a show of solidarity with immigrants resident LibDerp's and LibDerp Nation will be (they won't) boycotting Denmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.


Seems much less restrictive than our current policies.

Our current policies are releasing thousands of illegals into the county and has citizenship application approvals at a 5 year high.

Nice effort though.

More and more European countries are getting very restrictive on immigration (and rescuing refugees in distress).

Our current policies deport almost all of them.

There’s thousands that will never be deported because they’re catch and releasing thousands and 90% of them are not showing up in court. 

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
In a show of solidarity with immigrants resident LibDerp's and LibDerp Nation will be (they won't) boycotting Denmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.


Seems much less restrictive than our current policies.

Our current policies are releasing thousands of illegals into the county and has citizenship application approvals at a 5 year high.

Nice effort though.

More and more European countries are getting very restrictive on immigration (and rescuing refugees in distress).

Our current policies deport almost all of them.

There’s thousands that will never be deported because they’re catch and releasing thousands and 90% of them are not showing up in court.

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/fysb16/download#page=49

Looks like the number you were looking for is 25%.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 09:35:30 AM
LOL, MCaleenan just testified in front of Congress that nearly 100% of asylum (and many non asylum seeking) border crossers are released.  In many jurisdictions court cases are 2 years out or longer another ICE official testified that as of now about 90% are not showing up for court dates.


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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2019, 09:50:48 AM
If only we kept statistics for this sort of thing, we could figure out whether or not that was truthful testimony.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
If only we kept statistics for this sort of thing, we could figure out whether or not that was truthful testimony.

You reference a report that uses statistics that are 5 FFY's old.   :lol: :lol:

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2019, 10:05:45 AM
It was published in 2017. I guess it's possible that Trump's administration is just too incompetent to get more than 10% of these people to show up for court, though.
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Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:07:08 AM
So you’re saying we went from 25% not reporting to 90% during Trump’s presidency?

Sounds like if there’s an emergency it’s that we have a completely inept enforcer of our border laws.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:09:34 AM
So you’re saying we went from 25% not reporting to 90% during Trump’s presidency?

Sounds like if there’s an emergency it’s that we have a completely inept enforcer of our border laws.

There's over 100K a month trying to cross the border.

In addition, the super old statistics posted are likely for court dates that came months, maybe even years after they crossed.

Clearly what you're not getting is that, these are people that are already in the country, "border laws" don't mean anything at that point.

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2019, 10:10:20 AM
Apparently they used to mean something.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:11:52 AM
Apparently they used to mean something.

 :lol:  You're using "border laws" and applying it to people who already crossed the border and are living in the country.    :lol: :lol:
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Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:14:37 AM
Dax, “border laws” aren’t like an actual thing. You’re falling back in the “COLUSION is not a crime” talking point to avoid addressing the actual point.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
It was published in 2017. I guess it's possible that Trump's administration is just too incompetent to get more than 10% of these people to show up for court, though.

 :lol:  Look at the trendline of border crossers since 2017 when LibDerp Nation leaders officially declared that they want open borders and completely reversed all that big mean tough talk on the border they did the previous 8 years, and when LibDerp State leaders officially went sanctuary city/state because OrangeMan:Bad





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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
Apparently they used to mean something.

 :lol:  You're using "border laws" and applying it to people who already crossed the border and are living in the country.    :lol: :lol:

I'm applying it to people who are here lawfully and awaiting a court date to determine whether or not they get to stay.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:18:40 AM
Dax, “border laws” aren’t like an actual thing. You’re falling back in the “COLUSION is not a crime” talking point to avoid addressing the actual point.

You're falling into your usual idiocy of failing to understand the big picture, like you always do.

Five Federal Fiscal Years ago 25% of border crossers failed to show up in court of which many had already been living in the country for months/years.

So in essence that could be statistics for people who crossed the border a decade ago or more.

This is not hard, except for you.



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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2019, 10:19:57 AM
If the courts are that slow, then the ICE guy must have been lying his ass off with his 90% figure, since 0% of these immigrants would have even had a court date to miss.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:23:50 AM
If the courts are that slow, then the ICE guy must have been lying his ass off with his 90% figure, since 0% of these immigrants would have even had a court date to miss.

A pilot study run in conjunction with the DOJ.

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Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
Dax, this may surprise you, but if they’re released into the US and required to appear for a court date in the US, then they’re in the country legally.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
Dax, this may surprise you, but if they’re released into the US and required to appear for a court date in the US, then they’re in the country legally.

I said nothing to the contrary.  You're just flailing.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:52:15 AM
Calling them “illegals in our country” seems to be to the contrary.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:04:21 AM
Calling them “illegals in our country” seems to be to the contrary.

You're parsing words . . . if they were granted official legal status then there would be no reason for them to go to court.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 05, 2019, 11:06:09 AM
Calling them “illegals in our country” seems to be to the contrary.

You're parsing words . . . if they were granted official legal status then there would be no reason for them to go to court.

HOF worthy dax-out here  :lol:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
Calling them “illegals in our country” seems to be to the contrary.

You're parsing words . . . if they were granted official legal status then there would be no reason for them to go to court.

HOF worthy dax-out here  :lol:

The usual cognitive dissonance from resident LibDerp Nation here.

You're here legally, but you still have to go to immigration court to determine your status . . . LibDerp Logic  :lol:

Title: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 11:32:55 AM
It’s basically like calling someone a criminal because they were arrested and posted bond. Sure it’s a common mistake but still a mistake and definitely not just a technicality.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
It’s basically like calling someone a criminal because they were arrested and posted bond. Sure it’s a common mistake but still a mistake and definitely not just a technicality.

 :lol:

The various statuses simply grant a stay in deportation until further proceedings take place to determine final status.   The fact that you're now using constitutionally granted rights of American Citizens and applying them to non-citizens, is, well, telling.

 



Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:49:40 AM
Okay, while resident LibDerps flail around trying to grant constitutional oversight status to non-citizens.

Let's get back to the Euro's.

It's really great to see the resident Whack-A-Doo's beloved EU ready to go in and slap already cash strapped Italy with a $3 billion dollar fine . . . of an already cashed strapped nation.

So much so that Italy is looking to float its own Euro tied currency.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 05, 2019, 11:50:02 AM

 :lol:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:55:42 AM
 :lol: at those that don't think Ireland has a border situation.

I mean, just straight up  :lol:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 05, 2019, 12:05:43 PM
So sad when the elderly get confused  :frown:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 12:07:55 PM
So sad when the elderly get confused  :frown:

I'm not the one confused.

But good to see you're back to your #1 tapout

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/05/29/epic-clash-building-italys-triumphant-salvini-brussels/

Everybody loves the EU!
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 05, 2019, 12:13:09 PM
I was talking about the president, Mr sensitive :surprised:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 12:14:51 PM
I was talking about the president, Mr sensitive :surprised:

Um-hmm

Which only reaffirms that you have absolutely no idea of what's going on or the context.

Not the least bit surprising.



Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2019, 01:59:25 PM
:lol: at those that don't think Ireland has a border situation.

I mean, just straight up  :lol:

They are definitely going to have a huge rough ridin' situation if and when Brexit happens, and they have to have a border again, which is what they want to avoid.   The violence in Derry has already started to some degree.  My friends in Donegal are pretty worried over the whole thing.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: ChiCat on June 05, 2019, 03:16:25 PM
If only we kept statistics for this sort of thing, we could figure out whether or not that was truthful testimony.

You reference a report that uses statistics that are 5 FFY's old.   :lol: :lol:



Better to use a made up statistic than an old statistic
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 07:27:44 AM
If only we kept statistics for this sort of thing, we could figure out whether or not that was truthful testimony.

You reference a report that uses statistics that are 5 FFY's old.   :lol: :lol:



Better to use a made up statistic than an old statistic

When your party has done a 180 (weirdly timed on or about January 2017) and purposely created a border emergency with 100K people a month apprehended at the border (don't know how many weren't apprehended) and with asylum seekers bringing across children by the tens of thousands . .  . always use 5 year old statistics to back up your claim that it's not an emergency.  (LibDerp Nation)

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 07:39:58 AM
Fresh off threatening to fine cash strapped Italy $3 billion dollars for . . . being cash strapped.

The EU contemplates banning video streaming.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-the-eu-kill-video-streaming-11559774193
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: steve dave on June 06, 2019, 07:41:57 AM
The nu-right v. EU is another great rivalry


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Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: ChiCat on June 06, 2019, 08:38:04 AM
When your party has done a 180 (weirdly timed on or about January 2017) and purposely created a border emergency with 100K people a month apprehended at the border (don't know how many weren't apprehended) and with asylum seekers bringing across children by the tens of thousands . .  . always use 5 year old statistics to back up your claim that it's not an emergency.  (LibDerp Nation)



Just keep supporting your guy who makes racist statements and operates in no factual statistics to create an emergency.  Best to discount any statistic or fact when Trump is your guy.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 09:07:40 AM
When your party has done a 180 (weirdly timed on or about January 2017) and purposely created a border emergency with 100K people a month apprehended at the border (don't know how many weren't apprehended) and with asylum seekers bringing across children by the tens of thousands . .  . always use 5 year old statistics to back up your claim that it's not an emergency.  (LibDerp Nation)



Just keep supporting your guy who makes racist statements and operates in no factual statistics to create an emergency.  Best to discount any statistic or fact when Trump is your guy.

Let's take these numbers from 5 years ago and longer  (that likely apply to people who were apprehended at the border as far back as 7 to 10 years ago) and apply them to today to make our case after we did a complete 180 on the border January 2017 . . . (LibDerp Nation)





Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 11:10:23 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/new-border-surge-prompts-10-jump-in-2019-prediction-to-1-072-000-illegal-immigrants
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 10, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
The EU is just pure evil . . . sadly, some of the resident Whack-A-Doos love it.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/europe-migrants-mediterranean-rescues/

On Monday, two human rights lawyers filed a 244-page complaint with the International Criminal Court, or ICC, accusing European Union governments of knowingly sending thousands of migrants to their deaths in implementing their deterrence-based migration policies.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
Mac is going to support Vlad Putin's BFF, the woman who has overseen pumping billions of dollars into the Russian economy (while overseeing a military that can fend for itself and relies on the United States to defend them from the "evil" Vlad Putin)

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-would-support-merkel-for-commission-president/

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2019, 07:51:51 AM
The refugee blockade in resident LibDerp Nation’s beloved EU continues. 

Apparently Italy, pissed that Germany is leading the charge to fine them billions for being broke  is telling Angie “Vlad Putin’s biggest customer” Merkel to take these refugees.  Refugees from a country beloved LibDerp Hero Barry Obama destroyed. 

https://www.newsweek.com/italy-salvini-sea-watch-3-migrants-pirate-ship-1445697
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2019, 04:09:00 AM
Translation:  Macron-Not Popular (unless you're polling U.S. based LibDerp Nation)


https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/entry/la-popularite-demmanuel-macron-na-pas-connu-deffets-europeennes-sondage-exclusif_fr_5d1f40ace4b0f31256823672?ncid=tweetlnkfrhpmg00000001

Also French gov't:  Huge Censors (a movement U.S. based LibDerp Nation can really get behind)


Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2019, 04:18:12 AM
Meanwhile . . . in Turkey.   Not only are they trying to buy weapons from Vlad Putin (not spurring Vlad Putin's economy like Angie Merkel is, but every little bit helps.    This should really piss off LibDerp's who broke out of the 2012 Era of Post Election Flexibility and and went full Anti-Russian on or about January 2017).    They're trying to start what could become a very big war.






Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: LickNeckey on July 10, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
Meanwhile . . . in Turkey.   Not only are they trying to buy weapons from Vlad Putin (not spurring Vlad Putin's economy like Angie Merkel is, but every little bit helps.    This should really piss off LibDerp's who broke out of the 2012 Era of Post Election Flexibility and and went full Anti-Russian on or about January 2017).    They're trying to start what could become a very big war.


not sure how this fits with European Realignment but...

Turkey is a rough ridin mess

Luckily this admin has a united position on the issue of S-400 procurement  :sdeek:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Kat Kid on July 10, 2019, 04:44:22 PM
Meanwhile . . . in Turkey.   Not only are they trying to buy weapons from Vlad Putin (not spurring Vlad Putin's economy like Angie Merkel is, but every little bit helps.    This should really piss off LibDerp's who broke out of the 2012 Era of Post Election Flexibility and and went full Anti-Russian on or about January 2017).    They're trying to start what could become a very big war.


It seems like they mostly don’t want to burn their money on our shitty F-35
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 16, 2019, 05:41:54 AM
Turkey taking deliver on S-400's.

So, Angie Merkel buying billions of dollars of Vlad Putin's Fossil Fuels (while by passing former Eastern Bloc nations on the process)

Erdo buying Russian Missiles.

The U.S. pays for nearly 25% of NATO's total administrative operating budget and of course the U.S. by far and away funds the largest military in NATO and spends about 3.57% of the largest GDP in the world.   

Meanwhile two sorta NATO members and halfwits Finland and Norway who are scared to death of Vlad Putin and look to suckle a little harder on the bosom of U.S. military might spend less than 1.5% of GDP on their own defense.

Helluva a deal . . .



Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 16, 2019, 07:27:14 AM
Thanks for the statements dad
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 16, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
Thanks for the statements dad

Even though you don't understand any of it, I appreciate the thinks none-the-less.  I can appreciate simpletons.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2019, 12:25:10 PM
EU or Brexit . . . doesn't matter.   Another country living under the comfy blanket of the U.S. military.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/102362/is-the-royal-navy-too-small-to-deal-with-iranian-threat
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2019, 09:12:32 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-10/italy-s-salvini-tells-richard-gere-to-take-stranded-migrants

The EU's wall against immigrants continue.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 03, 2019, 04:29:58 PM
:lol:

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: ben ji on September 03, 2019, 04:56:05 PM
I was looking at UNREAD threads and accidentally clicked on this thinking it was the original smoke your cigar thread.

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 05, 2019, 10:58:26 AM
Just hate to see this, just a crying damn shame Dem Hero Barack Obama murderer/refugeer/slave trade facilitator/deporter of hundreds of thousands of brown and black people put the Syrian Civil War on steroids.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-09-05/turkey-threatens-to-open-gates-for-syria-refugees-to-go-west
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2019, 11:10:10 AM
:lol:


british parliament is amazing. I remember the old SNL sketches mocking it but didn't realize how not over-the-top it was at the time
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
british trump is off to a good start
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: chum1 on September 05, 2019, 11:38:54 AM
Even a normal day in the House of Commons is fascinating. I enjoy the totally random sounding noises that aren't even words dudes make when they yell out, which is constantly happening.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2019, 11:40:47 AM
Even a normal day in the House of Commons is fascinating. I enjoy the totally random sounding noises that aren't even words dudes make when they yell out, which is constantly happening.

I love it when they warm up their zingers and then everyone just loses their crap when they land it (both booing and cheering)
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2019, 11:55:21 AM


Even a normal day in the House of Commons is fascinating. I enjoy the totally random sounding noises that aren't even words dudes make when they yell out, which is constantly happening.

I love it when they warm up their zingers and then everyone just loses their crap when they land it (both booing and cheering)

Yes the crowd is amazing
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 05, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
So how many of those British dudes are drunk and how many just like that?
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bucket on October 08, 2019, 08:21:24 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Pretty sad.
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 09:07:01 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Pretty sad.

Yeah, and just think Bucket, your guy could have gone for that peaceful transition of power in Syria, but instead choose the regime change route.


Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bucket on October 08, 2019, 09:12:13 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Pretty sad.

Yeah, and just think Bucket, your guy could have gone for that peaceful transition of power in Syria, but instead choose the regime change route.

"Peaceful transition of power in Syria"  :lol:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 09:19:49 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Pretty sad.

Yeah, and just think Bucket, your guy could have gone for that peaceful transition of power in Syria, but instead choose the regime change route.

"Peaceful transition of power in Syria"  :lol:

Yes, let's go ahead and completely dismiss even attempting to do that (from a guy who as Senator ran around telling everyone how we needed to be negotiating with the "axis of evil") in lieu of regime change and throwing ourselves behind people who would have lead to an even bigger blood bath then the one we supported in the overthrow process.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: bucket on October 08, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Pretty sad.

Yeah, and just think Bucket, your guy could have gone for that peaceful transition of power in Syria, but instead choose the regime change route.

"Peaceful transition of power in Syria"  :lol:

Yes, let's go ahead and completely dismiss even attempting to do that (from a guy who as Senator ran around telling everyone how we needed to be negotiating with the "axis of evil") in lieu of regime change and throwing ourselves behind people who would have lead to an even bigger blood bath then the one we supported in the overthrow process.

Here's an idea. Maybe the guy who massacred peaceful protesters will agree to give up power with zero resistance  :dunno:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 09:39:01 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Pretty sad.

Yeah, and just think Bucket, your guy could have gone for that peaceful transition of power in Syria, but instead choose the regime change route.

"Peaceful transition of power in Syria"  :lol:

Yes, let's go ahead and completely dismiss even attempting to do that (from a guy who as Senator ran around telling everyone how we needed to be negotiating with the "axis of evil") in lieu of regime change and throwing ourselves behind people who would have lead to an even bigger blood bath then the one we supported in the overthrow process.

Here's an idea. Maybe the guy who massacred peaceful protesters will agree to give up power with zero resistance  :dunno:

As always you're just flailing.   Multiple countries including Russia offered to negotiate a peaceful transition of power that was flat out rejected by a President who just a few years before was telling everyone who would listen that we needed to be negotiating with Syria, Iran, N. Korea, Libya etc. etc.

So instead your guy started shipping in "Freedom Fighters" and weapons from the last country he overthrew, which was Libya.

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: treysolid on October 08, 2019, 10:07:35 AM
dax making the case for stricter gun control ITT  :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 10:11:22 AM
dax making the case for stricter gun control ITT  :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:

When have I not been for stricter gun control?

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2019, 03:26:59 AM
But what about the benevolent open minded "let's be like them" Europeans the American political left always talks about, they're "model countries" ya know.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/world/europe/denmark-migrants-island.html
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 03, 2019, 10:50:32 AM
While the EU countries/NATO sleep under the warm blanket of U.S. military might, in most cases still failing to meet the piddly GDP mandate that NATO membership requires.

They keep pumping billions of dollars into Vlad Putin's pocket and screwing over countries like the Ukraine.

 :lol: :lol:  at LibBot idiots thinking Trump was trying to break up NATO when it's clear those countries have only their self interest at their core.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Worlds-Most-Controversial-Pipeline-Clears-Final-Hurdle.html
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 03, 2019, 11:36:59 AM


Even a normal day in the House of Commons is fascinating. I enjoy the totally random sounding noises that aren't even words dudes make when they yell out, which is constantly happening.

I love it when they warm up their zingers and then everyone just loses their crap when they land it (both booing and cheering)

Yes the crowd is amazing

I watch this at least once a month.  It’s my favorite. 

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc)
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: michigancat on November 03, 2019, 12:49:17 PM


Even a normal day in the House of Commons is fascinating. I enjoy the totally random sounding noises that aren't even words dudes make when they yell out, which is constantly happening.

I love it when they warm up their zingers and then everyone just loses their crap when they land it (both booing and cheering)

Yes the crowd is amazing

I watch this at least once a month.  It’s my favorite. 

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc)
LMAO did you see Corbyn saying Boris broke a promise by not dying in a ditch?
Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 13, 2019, 10:35:39 AM
If Angie Merkel isn't pumping billions of dollars in Vlad Putin's pockets, underfunding the German military or pursuing an absurd "green energy" policy (while buying billions of dollars of Vlad Putin's gas) . . . she's calling for seizure of U.S. tech company assets.

Friends like these . . .

https://www.ft.com/content/956ccaa6-0537-11ea-9afa-d9e2401fa7ca

Title: Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2019, 06:00:34 AM
With Friends like these . . .

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-should-stop-aiding-chinese-military-amnesty-warns/a-51283225