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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: star seed 7 on May 20, 2016, 04:50:41 PM
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They are very busy right now. We already discussed (I think) how they are trying to unconstitutionally ban abortion, now this:
Oklahoma’s Republican-dominated legislature has filed a measure calling for President Barack Obama’s impeachment over his administration’s recommendations on accommodating transgender students, saying he overstepped his constitutional authority.
Lawmakers in the socially conservative state are also expected to take up a measure as early as Friday that would allow students to claim a religious right to have separate but equal bathrooms and changing facilities to segregate them from transgender students.
The impeachment call seems to be on shaky ground since the letter offered non-binding guidance and did not have the force of law, legal experts told local media.
State Representative John Bennett, a Republican, said in a statement the White House directive was “biblically wrong,” and a violation of state sovereignty.
The Oklahoma bill would allow for segregation at school restrooms, athletic changing facilities and showers if a request is made to accommodate religious beliefs
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biblically wrong? oh, eff
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i think obummer might've really messed up this time
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For posterity
The Oklahoma Legislature on Thursday passed a bill that would effectively ban abortions by subjecting doctors who perform them to felony charges and revoking their medical licenses — the first legislation of its kind.
The measure, which passed the Republican-dominated Senate by a vote of 33 to 12, will be presented to Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, who will have five days to sign it, veto it or allow it to take effect without her signature.
If it becomes law, it is certain to face a quick challenge in state or federal court. And because the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that women have a right to obtain abortions until the fetus is viable outside the womb, legal experts say, it will soon be declared unconstitutional.
“Most people know I am for defending rights,” Senator Nathan Dahm, the author of the bill and a software developer from Broken Arrow, Okla., told The Oklahoman. “Those rights begin at conception.”
But some legislators called the measure an ill-considered diversion.
“I’m pro-life and a Roman Catholic, but I don’t think we should waste our time on legislation that will be declared unconstitutional,” Senator Ervin Yen, an anesthesiologist from Oklahoma City, and one of a small number of Republicans to oppose the bill, said in an interview.
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i think obummer might've really messed up this time
Like impeachment can keep him from declaring martial law and becoming supreme commander
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For posterity
The Oklahoma Legislature on Thursday passed a bill that would effectively ban abortions by subjecting doctors who perform them to felony charges and revoking their medical licenses — the first legislation of its kind.
The measure, which passed the Republican-dominated Senate by a vote of 33 to 12, will be presented to Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, who will have five days to sign it, veto it or allow it to take effect without her signature.
If it becomes law, it is certain to face a quick challenge in state or federal court. And because the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that women have a right to obtain abortions until the fetus is viable outside the womb, legal experts say, it will soon be declared unconstitutional.
“Most people know I am for defending rights,” Senator Nathan Dahm, the author of the bill and a software developer from Broken Arrow, Okla., told The Oklahoman. “Those rights begin at conception.”
But some legislators called the measure an ill-considered diversion.
“I’m pro-life and a Roman Catholic, but I don’t think we should waste our time on legislation that will be declared unconstitutional,” Senator Ervin Yen, an anesthesiologist from Oklahoma City, and one of a small number of Republicans to oppose the bill, said in an interview.
Their non-shitbag Governor veto'd it.
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It's the thought that counts
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Might as well turn Oklahoma into one big prison and be done with it.
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So I guess people are up in arms today because they passed some law in the middle of the night last night. Making the earned income tax credit nonrefundable.
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So I guess people are up in arms today because they passed some law in the middle of the night last night. Making the earned income tax credit nonrefundable.
Wow. What would the rationale for that be?
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So I guess people are up in arms today because they passed some law in the middle of the night last night. Making the earned income tax credit nonrefundable.
Wow. What would the rationale for that be?
Saving 76 million
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So I guess people are up in arms today because they passed some law in the middle of the night last night. Making the earned income tax credit nonrefundable.
Wow. What would the rationale for that be?
Saving 76 million
Yeah, just looked that up. Didn't realize the state had its own EITC. Was thinking they were against the federal credit. That's not a big deal, imo.
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for fucks sake with the biblically wrong crap... :dubious:
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In the battle over men being allowed to use the women's bathroom, I think all sides involved deserved to be mocked and ridiculed. Federal bathroom laws :ROFL:
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Resident dipshit: Look at these rubes getting all bent out of shape over the federal bathroom laws.
Non crazy person: I'm sorry, did you say federal bathroom laws???
Rubes: bathroom laws are governed by the bible
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i'm still not convinced there are currently any laws governing what bathrooms people are allowed to use.
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Laws, regs, rules, penumbras, it's all there if you look hard enough.
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i'm still not convinced there are currently any laws governing what bathrooms people are allowed to use.
Republicans are implementing them
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Republicans are implementing them
that's what i thought.
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For posterity
The Oklahoma Legislature on Thursday passed a bill that would effectively ban abortions by subjecting doctors who perform them to felony charges and revoking their medical licenses — the first legislation of its kind.
The measure, which passed the Republican-dominated Senate by a vote of 33 to 12, will be presented to Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, who will have five days to sign it, veto it or allow it to take effect without her signature.
If it becomes law, it is certain to face a quick challenge in state or federal court. And because the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that women have a right to obtain abortions until the fetus is viable outside the womb, legal experts say, it will soon be declared unconstitutional.
“Most people know I am for defending rights,” Senator Nathan Dahm, the author of the bill and a software developer from Broken Arrow, Okla., told The Oklahoman. “Those rights begin at conception.”
But some legislators called the measure an ill-considered diversion.
“I’m pro-life and a Roman Catholic, but I don’t think we should waste our time on legislation that will be declared unconstitutional,” Senator Ervin Yen, an anesthesiologist from Oklahoma City, and one of a small number of Republicans to oppose the bill, said in an interview.
Their non-shitbag Governor veto'd it.
She's still a giant shitbag. She's just vetoing it trying to look more towards the center in an attempt at the Trump VP.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/16/transgender-bathroom-rule-matter-dignity-obama-says/84460430/
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"The bill is so ambiguous and so vague that doctors cannot be certain what medical circumstances would be considered 'necessary to preserve the life of the mother,'" Fallin, a Republican, said in a statement.
Sources familiar with the governor's thinking told CNN that the decision to veto the bill "weighed heavily" on the anti-abortion rights governor, but that the "hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees" faced by the state from a near-certain Constitutional challenge to the bill eventually led to her veto.
sorry tiny little baby babies, oklahoma is just too poor to fight for your civil rights
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FIC/FUK has been okiebamaed. He has been using the misapplication of laws to feed us a steady diet of hedonistic laxatives in his march to gayify America.by force. Well, this is against the rights of religion. The civil rights act says you can't discriminate on the basis of religion. So what is funny about having special facilities for kids who.whizz for God or keep their nakedness from the opposite sex until marriage. Finally. Planned hamburger can get the hell out Okieland.
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Also not an issue for Reno or Fake.
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Those damn federal bathroom laws.
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Yawn.
Most of the idiots are getting voted out this year and know it, so they are throwing as much crazy against the wall as they can to see what sticks.
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Yawn.
Most of the idiots are getting voted out this year and know it, so they are throwing as much crazy against the wall as they can to see what sticks.
That's mature
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Yawn.
Most of the idiots are getting voted out this year and know it, so they are throwing as much crazy against the wall as they can to see what sticks.
Sounds very ACA-ish circa 2010
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If politicians do everything except figure out massive state debt, then they can complain about how the other party didn't fix the massive state debt.
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Banning abortion once and for all, just not worth a few hundred thousand dollars
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Wonder why these self less public servants are getting voted out?
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Yawn.
Most of the idiots are getting voted out this year and know it, so they are throwing as much crazy against the wall as they can to see what sticks.
It's already started with Dossett, a moderate 34 year old dem, winning Owasso - a district that dems didn't even bother running a candidate in for 20 years.
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It's almost stunning about how much attention is being paid to this stuff. Re-defining first world problems every day. :thumbsup:
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Oklahoma and Texas are brave enough to stand up to the Obama tsunami. Limiting abortion into relative oblivion is okay. How is a religious exemption for being forced to use a free range bathroom discrimination? LBGTitupwazzu have the standard free range bathroom, and a very religious school can be accommodations that do not violate their beliefs. We give such exemptions for sex education and make special accommodations for muslims - so what is the difference?
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It's almost stunning about how much attention is being paid to this stuff. Re-defining first world problems every day. :thumbsup:
Media :curse:
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Separate Bathrooms by Religion? Oklahoma Opens New Front in Transgender Debate
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/us/separate-bathrooms-by-religion-oklahoma-opens-new-front-in-transgender-debate.html?_r=2
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=233400201
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Separate Bathrooms by Religion? Oklahoma Opens New Front in Transgender Debate
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/us/separate-bathrooms-by-religion-oklahoma-opens-new-front-in-transgender-debate.html?_r=2
Does the bible say "Thou shalt not change clothes in the same room as someone with different genitals than you."?
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Separate Bathrooms by Religion? Oklahoma Opens New Front in Transgender Debate
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/us/separate-bathrooms-by-religion-oklahoma-opens-new-front-in-transgender-debate.html?_r=2
Does the bible say "Thou shalt not change clothes in the same room as someone with different genitals than you."?
I think the quran does.
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Sounds like Kansas will be getting in on this bathroom thing as well.
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/27/oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
Apparently you can stick your dick in anyone's mouth as long as you get them drunk first.
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Separate Bathrooms by Religion? Oklahoma Opens New Front in Transgender Debate
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/us/separate-bathrooms-by-religion-oklahoma-opens-new-front-in-transgender-debate.html?_r=2
Does the bible say "Thou shalt not change clothes in the same room as someone with different genitals than you."?
Pretty close, actually. Not gonna look for it now, but pretty sure someone got struck down for seeing Noah when he was naked. Might have been a son, though. So actually even more extreme, maybe.
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/27/oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
Apparently you can stick your dick in anyone's mouth as long as you get them drunk first.
Yikes. Where's an activist judge when you need one?
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For posterity
The Oklahoma Legislature on Thursday passed a bill that would effectively ban abortions by subjecting doctors who perform them to felony charges and revoking their medical licenses — the first legislation of its kind.
The measure, which passed the Republican-dominated Senate by a vote of 33 to 12, will be presented to Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, who will have five days to sign it, veto it or allow it to take effect without her signature.
If it becomes law, it is certain to face a quick challenge in state or federal court. And because the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that women have a right to obtain abortions until the fetus is viable outside the womb, legal experts say, it will soon be declared unconstitutional.
“Most people know I am for defending rights,” Senator Nathan Dahm, the author of the bill and a software developer from Broken Arrow, Okla., told The Oklahoman. “Those rights begin at conception.”
But some legislators called the measure an ill-considered diversion.
“I’m pro-life and a Roman Catholic, but I don’t think we should waste our time on legislation that will be declared unconstitutional,” Senator Ervin Yen, an anesthesiologist from Oklahoma City, and one of a small number of Republicans to oppose the bill, said in an interview.
you just know they typed another common phrase initially and had to Thesaurus.com it
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/27/oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
Apparently you can stick your dick in anyone's mouth as long as you get them drunk first.
This was by far the most disturbing part of that article:
But legal experts and victims’ advocates said they viewed the ruling as a sign of something larger: the troubling gaps that still exist between the nation’s patchwork of laws and evolving ideas about rape and consent.
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It would be absurd public policy to criminalize drunk people from engaging in oral sex. Notwithstanding "legal experts" and "victim advocates" efforts to make too drunk to drive mean passed out in the context of sex.
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That guardian article was so poorly done from a legal perspective, it's difficult to know where to start tearing it down. So dumb
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Separate Bathrooms by Religion? Oklahoma Opens New Front in Transgender Debate
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/us/separate-bathrooms-by-religion-oklahoma-opens-new-front-in-transgender-debate.html?_r=2
Does the bible say "Thou shalt not change clothes in the same room as someone with different genitals than you."?
Pretty close, actually. Not gonna look for it now, but pretty sure someone got struck down for seeing Noah when he was naked. Might have been a son, though. So actually even more extreme, maybe.
Such a mumped up story. Noah crap hammered, kids checking out the dong. Just weird.
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/27/oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
Apparently you can stick your dick in anyone's mouth as long as you get them drunk first.
I didn't read the article you linked, but it's not as sensational as it sounds. It's really weird wording in a really old law, and the court was correct based on the law. In all of these other stupid laws being proposed, they are also proposing a language change for this law to cutoff that loophole. So, yay progress, kind of.
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/27/oral-sex-rape-ruling-tulsa-oklahoma-alcohol-consent
Apparently you can stick your dick in anyone's mouth as long as you get them drunk first.
I didn't read the article you linked, but it's not as sensational as it sounds. It's really weird wording in a really old law, and the court was correct based on the law. In all of these other stupid laws being proposed, they are also proposing a language change for this law to cutoff that loophole. So, yay progress, kind of.
Here the statement that gets me...
“Forcible sodomy cannot occur where a victim is so intoxicated as to be completely unconscious at the time of the sexual act of oral copulation,”
So they are saying that if the victim is passed out from drinking then they are basically giving consent to have anything done to them.
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I think the issue is that only "force" is criminalized under the statute, and "force" under the statute does not include just any lack of consent.
How the judges could not shoehorn this situation under SOME definition of "force" is beyond me, though.
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Blacked Out (allegedly) =/ passed out (asleep)
Ya'll don't read good.
You can't put someone in prison, make them register as a sex offender and force them to list rapist on job applications over letting a drunk girl suck his dick on the pretext he should have known later she would say she was blacked out and normally wouldn't do that. That's not justice or the law.
You certainly can't put said guy in the same category as dudes who kidnap women, beat them and rape them all the while they are screaming and kicking to get away.
So absurd
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I think the issue is that only "force" is criminalized under the statute, and "force" under the statute does not include just any lack of consent.
How the judges could not shoehorn this situation under SOME definition of "force" is beyond me, though.
I'd bet a decent sum of money the alleged victims testimony and character weren't credible. And you're talking about sending someone to prison for several years over a drunken bj. Shoehorn that concept of justice.
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I have not researched the story, but it is possible the testimony was completely credible and that this person was actually convicted of rape, but that conviction was overturned based on the fact it did not fall under the statute.
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Blacked Out (allegedly) =/ passed out (asleep)
Ya'll don't read good.
You can't put someone in prison, make them register as a sex offender and force them to list rapist on job applications over letting a drunk girl suck his dick on the pretext he should have known later she would say she was blacked out and normally wouldn't do that. That's not justice or the law.
You certainly can't put said guy in the same category as dudes who kidnap women, beat them and rape them all the while they are screaming and kicking to get away.
So absurd
It says unconscious. Unconscious means passed out (asleep), not blacked out.
“Forcible sodomy cannot occur where a victim is so intoxicated as to be completely unconscious at the time of the sexual act of oral copulation,”
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I have not researched the story, but it is possible the testimony was completely credible and that this person was actually convicted of rape, but that conviction was overturned based on the fact it did not fall under the statute.
Don't even respond to FSD's horrific and baseless questioning of a rape victim's integrity. Well, maybe not baseless, as he clearly thinks if a girl is unconscious she is asking for it. I mean, how could she consent if she wasn't conscious?
When FSD is sprinting to the far right of Oklahoma lawmakers trying to fix the loophole, you have to realize he is a sock.
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I have not researched the story, but it is possible the testimony was completely credible and that this person was actually convicted of rape, but that conviction was overturned based on the fact it did not fall under the statute.
Don't even respond to FSD's horrific and baseless questioning of a rape victim's integrity. Well, maybe not baseless, as he clearly thinks if a girl is unconscious she is asking for it. I mean, how could she consent if she wasn't conscious?
When FSD is sprinting to the far right of Oklahoma lawmakers trying to fix the loophole, you have to realize he is a sock.
Part of choosing to drink alcohol is accepting the risk that someone will shove their dick in your mouth if/when you pass out. That was the original understanding of the Founders.
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Whatever happened to just drawing a dong on someone's face with a Sharpie?
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I have not researched the story, but it is possible the testimony was completely credible and that this person was actually convicted of rape, but that conviction was overturned based on the fact it did not fall under the statute.
Don't even respond to FSD's horrific and baseless questioning of a rape victim's integrity. Well, maybe not baseless, as he clearly thinks if a girl is unconscious she is asking for it. I mean, how could she consent if she wasn't conscious?
When FSD is sprinting to the far right of Oklahoma lawmakers trying to fix the loophole, you have to realize he is a sock.
Yeah, this is Hillary's job.
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Whatever happened to just drawing a dong on someone's face with a Sharpie?
the penis mightier
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So under Oklahoma law, if he had put it in the V or the A, it would have been rape, even if the victim was unconscious. Reading between the lines, apparently the force element applicable to this case for oral sodomy includes resistance from the victim (although the statute simply says "force, violence, or threats of force or violence"). On the one hand, the opinion was given no precedential value. On the other hand, Oklahoma has a wrinkly old penal code that needs some enhancement. We're talking about a penal code that defines sodomy as "THE detestable and abominable crime against nature, committed with mankind or with a beast." That is the entire description of the acts covered.
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I have not researched the story, but it is possible the testimony was completely credible and that this person was actually convicted of rape, but that conviction was overturned based on the fact it did not fall under the statute.
Conviction??? There wasn't even a trial.
But the trial judge dismissed the case. And the appeals court ruling, on 24 March, affirmed that prosecutors could not apply the law to a victim who was incapacitated by alcohol.
Reading between the lines, the appellate court made up a reason to uphold a dismissal and preserve the trial court's ruling that getting head from a drunk chick isnt rape.
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Blacked Out (allegedly) =/ passed out (asleep)
Ya'll don't read good.
You can't put someone in prison, make them register as a sex offender and force them to list rapist on job applications over letting a drunk girl suck his dick on the pretext he should have known later she would say she was blacked out and normally wouldn't do that. That's not justice or the law.
You certainly can't put said guy in the same category as dudes who kidnap women, beat them and rape them all the while they are screaming and kicking to get away.
So absurd
It says unconscious. Unconscious means passed out (asleep), not blacked out.
“Forcible sodomy cannot occur where a victim is so intoxicated as to be completely unconscious at the time of the sexual act of oral copulation,”
Nowhere does it say she was passed out when she sacked him off, because obviously she wasnt.
This is about "rape culture" and other nonsense, and covering for a trial court that made the right decision while applying the law incorrectly.
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I have not researched the story, but it is possible the testimony was completely credible and that this person was actually convicted of rape, but that conviction was overturned based on the fact it did not fall under the statute.
Conviction??? There wasn't even a trial.
But the trial judge dismissed the case. And the appeals court ruling, on 24 March, affirmed that prosecutors could not apply the law to a victim who was incapacitated by alcohol.
Reading between the lines, the appellate court made up a reason to uphold a dismissal and preserve the trial court's ruling that getting head from a drunk chick isnt rape.
For what it's worth, your hypothesis of what happened in this particular case is probably pretty close to the truth. Still, there's no reason why oral penetration should only be covered by an antiquated moralistic law rather than being included in their rape law. Under Oklahoma law, it is (technically) currently illegal to get a blowjob under any circumstances.
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I know I'm right, because I haven't been a law student for a decade and actually understand how things work.
I agree the law, as written, is anachronistic. I doubt it's enforced that way, and I'd imagine there are myriad other criminal charges they could have thrown at the guy if he actually did something criminal.
What I can't stand is the deliberately pathetic level of journalistic integrity and diligence done to push a neo fascist agenda, and stupid pukes who don't understand what they're reading lapping it up.
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Basically the story should read, fuckhead prosecutor tries to imprison man under ancient law in childish attempt to redefine rape to conform to doltish feminist ideals . Trial court tosses case and tells prosecutor to stop being such a fucktard.
Guardian picks up the story, does zero research, lies about stuff, misrepresents stuff, inserts wack job pov, and morons share it on Facebook
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You really can't blame the prosecutor for trying to get someone convicted for crap that is a crime in like, every other state.
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It's kind of stupid to indict someone for a crime that's not a crime in your jurisdiction. It's a waste of resources, and he ought to know the law. On the other hand, looks like it has led to reforms:
OK Court of Criminal Appeals--Summary Opinion: http://cocaunpub.oids.ok.gov/coca/RZM.pdf
Trial court docket: http://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=tulsa&number=YO-2015-24&cmid=2828626
Article on amended bill passed by legislature yesterday in part to address the issue: http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/028d2d9d9a2b4a0094120594878b359a/US--Sodomy-Ruling-Bill
Info on HB 2398: http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=hb2398&Session=1600
Wacky's Go-To: youjizz[dot]com
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You really can't blame the prosecutor for trying to get someone convicted for crap that is a crime in like, every other state.
Convicted for what? It's a terrifying abuse of power on the part of the prosecutor. He should be suspended.
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https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/12/08/oklahoma-preacher-arrested-racist-prostitute-massage-parlor-bust
This has to offend someone. This guy should be locked away for impersonation of a preacher. A whore house for God - come on. This whore should be sued. Denying to do business with non-white people.
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Why are they hiding the gender of the undercover officer?
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http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/12/12/univ-of-oklahoma-regent-said-its-ok-to-for-men-to-sleep-with-little-boys-if-its-ok-to-be-gay/
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Good grief
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Based on his reasoning, if heterosexuality is ok then Roy Moore did nothing wrong....I think that guy should move to Alabama.
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I should make a scrapbook of cases like this and every time someone says something like, “well he’s rich and successful so he must be smart” I can just beat them over the head with it.