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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Boondock Poonhound on February 28, 2016, 03:16:29 PM
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Rumblings
An OSU tuck told me there is a grassroots effort similar to gE's 4 yrs ago. Even he likes the idea. Dickey would remain as the X's and O's guy.
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I hope he wins them a NC
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as long as they don't hire underwood.
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This will be fun
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:popcorn:
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I will become a huge Oklahoma State Basketball fan.
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Ford has like a 6 million dollar buyout, but I guess money is no object.
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Their home attendance has been embarrassing.
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Jealous of their fanbase and their understanding of how these things work.
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Ford has like a 6 million dollar buyout, but I guess money is no object.
T. Boone and Neal Patterson could split the difference, and it would be like two of us splitting the purchase of a microwave.
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Ford has like a 6 million dollar buyout, but I guess money is no object.
T. Boone and Neal Patterson could split the difference, and it would be like two of us splitting the purchase of a microwave.
There is also a strong feeling that he could get a $600k-$800k job pretty easy and he wouldn't sit out a year just to stick it to OSU. His new salary comes off the buyout.
I've heard Doug to OSU discussed on the radio 4 separate times in the last couple weeks down here. It's all been very dismissive of it. One person even brought up how he angled for the KSU job. His stance was if Doug was seriously thinking about coaching 4 years ago he should have taken a lower HC job because everyone's known for 3 or 4 years the OSU job was opening in '16 or '17.
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If that happened it would break my heart
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Doug has absolutely no reason to take a low level coaching job or be a P5 assistant. His gig is great, putting his name out there for P5 jobs he likes is just win-win for him.
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He should do it again when the K-State job becomes open, and then send John Currie a kissy face picture. I don't think John Currie probably likes Doug all that much.
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It would be like Eddie Sutton all over again.
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This is happening.
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:bwpopcorn:
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Sounds like he may be bringing in a few former players as assistants, also. Who would our dream alum coaching staff be?
J Pullz as HC, right?
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Director of Tunnel Dances, Martavious Irving
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If this happens I think every school in this conference will have something to look forward to next season except us and maybe tech.
I find this very sad.
:frown: :'bye cruel world:
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This is happening.
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Is he bringing his brother?
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Desmond Mason, former OSU and NBA player is on board.
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Meh
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I can't blame OSU after what happened with Brad.
I still like Doug, but I'm way over my Doug as coach phase.
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Good for Doug. His own college experience should help him relate. Pitfalls to avoid. Adversity overcoming. Etc. I'm excited to see what all happens.
Yes Pullen as HC. Denis and Jamar. Recruiting ties. Curt to just put his arms out and bounce on bad calls. I'll take Energy 1.0 as well. That will be all. Thank you .
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
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I can't blame OSU after what happened with Brad.
I still like Doug, but I'm way over my Doug as coach phase.
That's because we initially wanted Doug in part to continue the excitement/anger/Doominess of our basketball culture. That's completely gone now. Fun basketball was sooooo five years ago. Doug probably would've been good at continuing that momentum, don't know about him completely regenerating it, though.
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“What I've always said to people about Oklahoma State is I'm in it for the right reasons,” Gottlieb said. “It's like the Bachelorette; at the beginning of the Bachelorette, they're trying to figure out who wants the reality show and who really wants to marry the girl."
his ability to drop a bachelorette reference while trying to qualify himself as a legitimate candidate for the HC job at his alma mater is incredible
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I can't blame OSU after what happened with Brad.
I still like Doug, but I'm way over my Doug as coach phase.
That's because we initially wanted Doug in part to continue the excitement/anger/Doominess of our basketball culture. That's completely gone now. Fun basketball was sooooo five years ago. Doug probably would've been good at continuing that momentum, don't know about him completely regenerating it, though.
there is absolutely no doubt that he would completely regenerate fun basketball. everything about him representing our school would be great. don't be mistaken, the buzz around hiring him would be huge and he's so well connected to the media market that our school's name would be everywhere which would instantly boost his recruiting.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
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So this is clearly a move by OSU to try to energize/grow their languid fan base. What's interesting is that he is polarizing down there, there are a lot of older fans who are pissed at him when he had a falling out with Eddie Sutton.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
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It's not quite to the same level, but it's their version of when Huggins left us. We took a risk and it worked out.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
are we sure they do, or maybe Holder doesn't care enough about basketball. Holder says he didn't see better offers coming for Brad, that's bs. So, yeah they don't care enough to come up with a salary increase structure and incentives that would give Brad an average of $3 mil the next couple of seasons. I think holder will make an oscar type hire. I think Doug actually cares, loves OSU and want's to coach for sentimental reasons (alma mater, his dad was a coach, his brothers coach, sutton legacy). I would still take Doug at EMAW.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
It's very weird how their administration views basketball. They haven't put much money into it. They took me to their basketball practice facility. You can walk to it from inside GIA through hallways. However, if I filmed the walk starting from the moment I walked off the court in GIA, without the logos you would think I was in a high school walking to their auxiliary gym. The actual room with the practice court feels just like my high school's second gym with the walls right up on the baseline. The acoustics are also terrible in it. It has that horrible concrete wall echo. I know it's just a practice facility, but I didn't expect it to feel like the extra court in the local YMCA expansion.
It's like their AD has just completely given into the "the Thunder took half our fan base" mentality. When they started winning in February, the fan base started coming back very quickly and there started to be a palpable excitement again.
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I think it would be crazy to hire a guy with no coaching experience, but will definitely be paying attention to OSU if it happens so I guess that's kind of a win for them.
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I think holder will make an oscar type hire.
Why settle for an oscar type when oscar's available?
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Doug would be viewed by many as a risky dumb hire, and maybe it is, but I actually think he'd be a good coach. Particularly w/ college bball. So much of it is recruiting, even moreso than football. And I think he'd be a fantastic recruiter and at least solid in teh x and os part.
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I think it would be crazy to hire a guy with no coaching experience, but will definitely be paying attention to OSU if it happens so I guess that's kind of a win for them.
Hoiboi
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OU practice facility also sucks. I've spent a good amount of time there hooping and I really prefer to hoop at the facility where my kid's team practices. Oklahoma is a weird state when it comes to bball, especially bball facilities.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
It's very weird how their administration views basketball. They haven't put much money into it. They took me to their basketball practice facility. You can walk to it from inside GIA through hallways. However, if I filmed the walk starting from the moment I walked off the court in GIA, without the logos you would think I was in a high school walking to their auxiliary gym. The actual room with the practice court feels just like my high school's second gym with the walls right up on the baseline. The acoustics are also terrible in it. It has that horrible concrete wall echo. I know it's just a practice facility, but I didn't expect it to feel like the extra court in the local YMCA expansion.
It's like their AD has just completely given into the "the Thunder took half our fan base" mentality. When they started winning in February, the fan base started coming back very quickly and there started to be a palpable excitement again.
They expended A LOT of resources buying out Travis Ford's ridiculous 10 year contract in order to hire Brad.
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I can't blame OSU after what happened with Brad.
I still like Doug, but I'm way over my Doug as coach phase.
He would have been set up for success after Frank left. Frank left a great situation and Gottlieb would have been a good shot at taking advantage of it. I wouldn't want him after oscar leaves. (But would still be OK w/ thinking outside the box).
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
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Yeah, if he gets OSU job, it's now. Otherwise if he wants to coach, he will have to take HC at smaller school and work up from there. I don't get any indication that he wants to be an asst at a P5 school. He wants to be a HC or he's sticking with his job he has now (or the one he will Start at Fox soon)
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Yeah, if he gets OSU job, it's now. Otherwise if he wants to coach, he will have to take HC at smaller school and work up from there. I don't get any indication that he wants to be an asst at a P5 school. He wants to be a HC or he's sticking with his job he has now (or the one he will Start at Fox soon)
If he knows the right people he could be a recruiter tomorrow.
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Gotleib would energize the fanbase until they started getting shelled next year. Would be a horrible hire.....OSU is in no position to hire coaching rookies. Too much of a risk. Talking basketball and coaching basketball are two different skills.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
In terms of basketball facilities, besides the fact that GIA may have a better look with the brick and all orange predominately empty chair back seats. They don't have anything on us from a basketball facilities perspective. That's the only thing a b-ball coach is going to care about.
Our practice/admin facility is one of the nicest ones in the country and our game day dressing rooms and game day sports medicine facilities as well as the post game press room just got a million dollar make-over, and of course we just put in a $5 million-plus dollar AV/Scoring/Lighting system.
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The biggest key to Gottlieb being successful there would be Evans returning. It would be tough to get/keep momentum going if the team has a down year.
Is there a chance that OSU makes another run at Self or has that ship sailed? I don't think they could get him but they should definitely call T Boone for a number and then call Self's agent. I would test those waters every time the position opened.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
yeah i guess they have been doing this together for awhile now, just seemed awkward when doug didnt hear what he wanted to hear
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The biggest key to Gottlieb being successful there would be Evans returning.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/844227279236579328
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
In terms of basketball facilities, besides the fact that GIA may have a better look with the brick and all orange predominately empty chair back seats. They don't have anything on us from a basketball facilities perspective. That's the only thing a b-ball coach is going to care about.
Our practice/admin facility is one of the nicest ones in the country and our game day dressing rooms and game day sports medicine facilities as well as the post game press room just got a million dollar make-over, and of course we just put in a $5 million-plus dollar AV/Scoring/Lighting system.
Yeah, T Boone Pickens isn't an open checkbook, I'm not sure he's ever given anything directly to basketball. When they got the GIA renovation along with their practice facility that was a part of the overall expanded athletics facility. K-State and frankly Texas Tech have committed a lot more to basketball, in everyway, than OSU has.
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Gotleib would energize the fanbase until they started getting shelled next year. Would be a horrible hire.....OSU is in no position to hire coaching rookies. Too much of a risk. Talking basketball and coaching basketball are two different skills.
Because there is zero risk in hiring a lifetime coach. Gmafb.
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The biggest key to Gottlieb being successful there would be Evans returning. It would be tough to get/keep momentum going if the team has a down year.
Is there a chance that OSU makes another run at Self or has that ship sailed? I don't think they could get him but they should definitely call T Boone for a number and then call Self's agent. I would test those waters every time the position opened.
I would give it a zero percent chance unless KU wins it all this year. That might give OSU a 1-5% chance IMO. But I also have no problems w/ any school reaching out to alumni to inquire about an opening. Particularly if the coach is in the later part of his/her career w/ all the money and accolades needed. Why not reach out? Just keep it under wraps so you don't look foolish for gettign turned down (again).
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
In terms of basketball facilities, besides the fact that GIA may have a better look with the brick and all orange predominately empty chair back seats. They don't have anything on us from a basketball facilities perspective. That's the only thing a b-ball coach is going to care about.
Our practice/admin facility is one of the nicest ones in the country and our game day dressing rooms and game day sports medicine facilities as well as the post game press room just got a million dollar make-over, and of course we just put in a $5 million-plus dollar AV/Scoring/Lighting system.
Yeah, T Boone Pickens isn't an open checkbook, I'm not sure he's ever given anything directly to basketball. When they got the GIA renovation along with their practice facility that was a part of the overall expanded athletics facility. K-State and frankly Texas Tech have committed a lot more to basketball, in everyway, than OSU has.
I always viewed OSU as K-State with T Boone's money but in hindsight, I formed that opinion years ago and it is probably dated at best.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
In terms of basketball facilities, besides the fact that GIA may have a better look with the brick and all orange predominately empty chair back seats. They don't have anything on us from a basketball facilities perspective. That's the only thing a b-ball coach is going to care about.
Our practice/admin facility is one of the nicest ones in the country and our game day dressing rooms and game day sports medicine facilities as well as the post game press room just got a million dollar make-over, and of course we just put in a $5 million-plus dollar AV/Scoring/Lighting system.
Yeah, T Boone Pickens isn't an open checkbook, I'm not sure he's ever given anything directly to basketball. When they got the GIA renovation along with their practice facility that was a part of the overall expanded athletics facility. K-State and frankly Texas Tech have committed a lot more to basketball, in everyway, than OSU has.
I always viewed OSU as K-State with T Boone's money but in hindsight, I formed that opinion years ago and it is probably dated at best.
Until they spent the money in some kind of university/city partnership (I think that was the case) to upgrade GIA. Between what K-State spent on Bramlage and expanding the football stadium in 1998, that was more than double what OSU spent on facilities in the previous 4 decades. What was to become T. Boone Pickens Stadium was a rusty nasty place prior.
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so Gottleib didn't actually get the job, oh okay
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so Gottleib didn't actually get the job, oh okay
It's happening
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Come on guys, he's going to crater that program. KU T-Shirt Nation says so.
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Gotleib would energize the fanbase until they started getting shelled next year. Would be a horrible hire.....OSU is in no position to hire coaching rookies. Too much of a risk. Talking basketball and coaching basketball are two different skills.
That's the same logic that got oscar hired.
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I would've taken Doug but I wanted his candidacy to get Currie/admin folks to think a little further outside the box. I would think OSU has the resources to do better.
What resources do they have that we don't? Excess of empty orange chairs?
T Boone's fortune. I thought they built a pretty bad ass athletics park there too although maybe we've caught up some.
In terms of basketball facilities, besides the fact that GIA may have a better look with the brick and all orange predominately empty chair back seats. They don't have anything on us from a basketball facilities perspective. That's the only thing a b-ball coach is going to care about.
Our practice/admin facility is one of the nicest ones in the country and our game day dressing rooms and game day sports medicine facilities as well as the post game press room just got a million dollar make-over, and of course we just put in a $5 million-plus dollar AV/Scoring/Lighting system.
Yeah, T Boone Pickens isn't an open checkbook, I'm not sure he's ever given anything directly to basketball. When they got the GIA renovation along with their practice facility that was a part of the overall expanded athletics facility. K-State and frankly Texas Tech have committed a lot more to basketball, in everyway, than OSU has.
I always viewed OSU as K-State with T Boone's money but in hindsight, I formed that opinion years ago and it is probably dated at best.
Until they spent the money in some kind of university/city partnership (I think that was the case) to upgrade GIA. Between what K-State spent on Bramlage and expanding the football stadium in 1998, that was more than double what OSU spent on facilities in the previous 4 decades. What was to become T. Boone Pickens Stadium was a rusty nasty place prior.
the reno/addition to the football stadium was expensive lipstick on a pig. looks decent on tv, look good in person when brand spanking new, and now looks bleh in person.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
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Gotleib would energize the fanbase until they started getting shelled next year. Would be a horrible hire.....OSU is in no position to hire coaching rookies. Too much of a risk. Talking basketball and coaching basketball are two different skills.
Because there is zero risk in hiring a lifetime coach. Gmafb.
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There is risk in everything. There is much more risk in hiring somebody to coach basketball at a very high level when that person has never coached before.
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Gotleib would energize the fanbase until they started getting shelled next year. Would be a horrible hire.....OSU is in no position to hire coaching rookies. Too much of a risk. Talking basketball and coaching basketball are two different skills.
Because there is zero risk in hiring a lifetime coach. Gmafb.
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There is risk in everything. There is much more risk in hiring somebody to coach basketball at a very high level when that person has never coached before.
Or coached at that level. See Mizzou.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
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Local station had gottlieb on to talk about uw/porters, and they asked him if osu should hire romar to get the porters. Doug said no and mentioned that he wants the job. The host was incredulous. Gottlieb said he'd hire romar as an assistant to get the porters. :lol:
https://www.iheart.com/show/139-Softy-Interviews/?episode_id=28053434
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LOL
That's great
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Gotleib would energize the fanbase until they started getting shelled next year. Would be a horrible hire.....OSU is in no position to hire coaching rookies. Too much of a risk. Talking basketball and coaching basketball are two different skills.
Because there is zero risk in hiring a lifetime coach. Gmafb.
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There is risk in everything. There is much more risk in hiring somebody to coach basketball at a very high level when that person has never coached before.
Gotta risk it to get the biscuit, boss.
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i'd still be excited about gottlieb. I'm kind of glad OSU is going to be the guinea pig though.
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News that Gottlieb is getting an interview leaked, which means he is definitely not getting the job.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699466-doug-gottlieb-reportedly-will-interview-for-oklahoma-states-head-coaching-job
It is happening.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
Do they though? Do they lie anymore than someone in software sales? I have no way of knowing that so I'm not going to assume that they do.
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Successful people lie all the time. Some are better at it than others, and some simply can't avoid getting caught because they are under enough scrutiny.
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Doug is livin' the dream.
https://twitter.com/LeeBensonNews9/status/843699673139466240
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The man is gonna destroy oscar in his first year.
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He told 810 that Currie interviewed him too after oscar got it. I actually wonder how many times he's been interviewed for jobs.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
Do they though? Do they lie anymore than someone in software sales? I have no way of knowing that so I'm not going to assume that they do.
so we should believe what gottleib said someone told him about porter because you aren't sure how often a software salesman lies? good grief.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
Do they though? Do they lie anymore than someone in software sales? I have no way of knowing that so I'm not going to assume that they do.
so we should believe what gottleib said someone told him about porter because you aren't sure how often a software salesman lies? good grief.
Believe what you want, I'm not sure why you're so indignant. I posted some information you said you don't believe it because basketball coaches lie. I don't care that you for some reason think college basketball coaches are less trustworthy than anyone else. I don't feel this way, I'm completely unburdened with trying to suss out whether or not I'm being lied to solely based on a person's career choice.
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https://twitter.com/JayJayUSATODAY/status/844653602157268992
Iiar, scumbag
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Gottlieb's a lot better on twitter when he's in the process of trying to get an adult job.
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This is the sports equivalent of setting up a Tinder account and the first girl that pops up is the one you had a massive high school crush on, who’s husband just skipped town, and he even took the family dog.
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
Do they though? Do they lie anymore than someone in software sales? I have no way of knowing that so I'm not going to assume that they do.
so we should believe what gottleib said someone told him about porter because you aren't sure how often a software salesman lies? good grief.
Believe what you want, I'm not sure why you're so indignant. I posted some information you said you don't believe it because basketball coaches lie. I don't care that you for some reason think college basketball coaches are less trustworthy than anyone else. I don't feel this way, I'm completely unburdened with trying to suss out whether or not I'm being lied to solely based on a person's career choice.
he will end up at MU and after he does i'll go oh yeah no crap he was always going to end up there and you'll go oh ok, he ended up at mu. much in the way that I'm going yeah no crap weber snuck into the tournament as the last overall choice and didn't get fired it was always going to be that way and you're going oh ok, it looks like oscar won't get fired. you have some _fan/fence in you. nothing wrong with that.
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FWIW daris, I 100% agree with you on this.
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i just noticed FWN is back to FAN. so you don't want to FWN?
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i just noticed FWN is back to FAN. so you don't want to FWN?
Meh, I just changed it back. I definitely still think change needs to happen, but I'm not confident that it will. Ultimately I'm a K-State fan regardless of my like/dislike of the coach.
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The Orange Factor? @OrangeFactor 44m44 minutes ago
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Sources report the deal is done, .@GottliebShow is your next coach. Info is second hand from a prominent guy in athletic department #okstate
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cows!
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cows!
cows more than ever
FCTSC
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Interesting if true.
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You learn something new everyday.
Gottlieb, a former player for the Cowboys (he played there after he was kicked out of Notre Dame for stealing a teammate’s credit card), has zero head coaching experience—since graduating, he’s held positions at CBS and ESPN as a radio personality, analyst, and commentator. It was announced this week that he accepted a job at FOX Sports and is set to start in late April.
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You learn something new everyday.
Or 20 years ago
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I was 12, 20 years ago, #LIFE. I don't worship this man like many others. Glad to hear you knew that tho. :D
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osu is kstate south with a stronger desire to win
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The credit card thing has always sort of bothered me, too, wacky.
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like, if people know one thing about gottlieb it's usually that
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DTSC
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No negative consequences
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like, if people know one thing about gottlieb it's usually that
I just knew about his father coaching here and being the BITB when talking about basketball during a game.
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osu is kstate south with a stronger desire to win
and like, way more money.
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Go Doug! Love that guy.
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they should hire herby to be their football coach when gundy leaves
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like, if people know one thing about gottlieb it's usually that
with all the squawks wc08 hangs with he should know all about shorts on backward too
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pretty much 1a and 1b, good point
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they should hire herby to be their football coach when gundy leaves
Wrong OSU.
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It will really hurt if he's good and stays there forever.
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It will really hurt if he's good and stays there forever.
Just think of it as a daily reminder of the dangers of small mindedness. K-State fans need more of that.
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This is the sports equivalent of setting up a Tinder account and the first girl that pops up is the one you had a massive high school crush on, who’s husband just skipped town, and he even took the family dog.
this an analogy by an old person who has never used tinder and likes country and desperately needs a framing device to connect to a younger audience
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FWIW daris, I 100% agree with you on this.
I said in the very first post in that chain that both he and Young could end up at Missouri together. I never once said that he wouldn't be at Missouri. Lon isn't going to hire his dad so I'm guessing he ultimately won't end up there, BUT the possibility exists that he could end up at OU. The point of the post was just to point out the possibility of Porter and Young playing together at Mizzou or OU.
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This is the sports equivalent of setting up a Tinder account and the first girl that pops up is the one you had a massive high school crush on, who’s husband just skipped town, and he even took the family dog.
this an analogy by an old person who has never used tinder and likes country and desperately needs a framing device to connect to a younger audience
https://twitter.com/rjchoppy/status/844876196785500160
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He must not have gotten the job.
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He must not have gotten the job.
Lol. Thought the same thing.
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Another whiff by ok cat :frown:
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Fanning is hoping so hard
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:lol: For what weirdo?
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WEIRDO!
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Another home run post by M^2, folks!
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Bad hire that I hope works out well
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Another home run post by M^2, folks!
relax, it's Friday
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Another home run post by M^2, folks!
relax, it's Friday
Would you guys just hug it out? Good grief
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Another whiff by ok cat :frown:
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/845353815167700996
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WELP!
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Wow. Pretty big scalp for wackster.
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lol, OK
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#zapped
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Bet he told them he's holding out for the better job at Cats U.
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Bet he told them he's holding out for the better job at Cats U.
He threw himself at them. He didn't say anything, other than "please, please, please..."
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Wow. Pretty big scalp for wackster.
yup, congrats
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Bet he told them he's holding out for the better job at Cats U.
He threw himself at them. He didn't say anything, other than "please, please, please..."
this what it feels like to be zapped? hurts, man.
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Bookcat sure looks like a huge idiot now too
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more precipitous a drop than mocat's, it seems
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I like doug a lot. But I think they want to see him do it at a smaller school first. Just too much of a gamble for a P5.
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would be a shame for him to fail there and all of a sudden GIA is empty
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OSU has EVER-Y-THING to lose
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the eff is Mike Boynton?
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What a lazy hire. They have given up.
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OSU has EVER-Y-THING to lose
They've been to the tourney 4 out of their last 5 years and now you want to hand the keys to the car to some dude with no experience? eff THAT! Might as well hire Will Spradling.
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Looks like he was retained when Frank arrived at SCAR, left with Brad to SFA, followed to OSU?
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I dunno, I though Frank would suck balls after Beasley.
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what a fun domino effect
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/845366924217405446
:lol: They wanted to save money so they let Brad go and hired his assistant.
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Looks like he was retained when Frank arrived at SCAR, left with Brad to SFA, followed to OSU?
Yes, they hired within. Which many on this board said we should have done with Brad.
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This is a much better hire than when we went and got oscar.
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OSU has EVER-Y-THING to lose
They've been to the tourney 4 out of their last 5 years and now you want to hand the keys to the car to some dude with no experience? eff THAT! Might as well hire Will Spradling.
Sprads has verified coaching experience :th_twocents:
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Yeah, I know. Making him more qualified.
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Eddie Fogler is the clear winner here.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/845369075538759681
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coach sprads would be amazing
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Yeah, I know. Making him more qualified.
You got it! :thumbs:
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wish mike cox would've hung around for the football job
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Yeah, I know. Making him more qualified.
You got it! :thumbs:
:cheers:
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Eddie Fogler is the clear winner here.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/845369075538759681
Fogler was also Boynton's coach at South Carolina.
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Eddie Fogler is the clear winner here.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/845369075538759681
Fogler was also Boynton's coach at South Carolina.
Fogler was part of bringing Huggs to MHK.
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who was the last Big 12 coach under $1 million per? I know Betty was in football only a year ago (which puts this hire in a pretty unflattering light imo)
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who was the last Big 12 coach under $1 million per? I know Betty was in football only a year ago (which puts this hire in a pretty unflattering light imo)
My guess would be Frank Martin.
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I thought unds and phrom both were last year
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So this guy was on staff with Darrin Horn at South Carolina, but then Frank didn't retain him. He was also involved in South Carolina's self punishment for NCAA issues when Frank was hired.
https://southcarolina.rivals.com/news/ncaa-accepts-uscs-punishment-w-video
Banned from recruiting, even though he wasn't on staff. I see no evidence he was on staff at all when Frank was there (or coaching for anyone in that time frame) but then he ended up being hired by Brad when he went to SFA and then OSU.
Odd.
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So this guy was on staff with Darrin Horn at South Carolina, but then Frank didn't retain him. He was also involved in South Carolina's self punishment for NCAA issues when Frank was hired.
https://southcarolina.rivals.com/news/ncaa-accepts-uscs-punishment-w-video
Banned from recruiting, even though he wasn't on staff. I see no evidence he was on staff at all when Frank was there (or coaching for anyone in that time frame) but then he ended up being hired by Brad when he went to SFA and then OSU.
Odd.
Went to Wofford as an AHC for a year.
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I can't find anything that says he was, but I found this.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article18154892.html
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This says he coached at South Carolina in 2012-13.
http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/meet-new-osu-basketball-assistant-coaching-staff/
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I thought unds and phrom both were last year
unds was right at 1.0, Beard at TT was 1.3ish and Prohm I think was 1.5
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Until about 20 minutes ago he didn't even have a Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Boynton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Boynton)
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
Do they though? Do they lie anymore than someone in software sales? I have no way of knowing that so I'm not going to assume that they do.
so we should believe what gottleib said someone told him about porter because you aren't sure how often a software salesman lies? good grief.
Believe what you want, I'm not sure why you're so indignant. I posted some information you said you don't believe it because basketball coaches lie. I don't care that you for some reason think college basketball coaches are less trustworthy than anyone else. I don't feel this way, I'm completely unburdened with trying to suss out whether or not I'm being lied to solely based on a person's career choice.
he will end up at MU and after he does i'll go oh yeah no crap he was always going to end up there and you'll go oh ok, he ended up at mu. much in the way that I'm going yeah no crap weber snuck into the tournament as the last overall choice and didn't get fired it was always going to be that way and you're going oh ok, it looks like oscar won't get fired. you have some _fan/fence in you. nothing wrong with that.
https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/845386615224745985
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Shocking.
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So...connect the dots for me, why did Brad hire him?
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So this guy was on staff with Darrin Horn at South Carolina, but then Frank didn't retain him. He was also involved in South Carolina's self punishment for NCAA issues when Frank was hired.
https://southcarolina.rivals.com/news/ncaa-accepts-uscs-punishment-w-video
Banned from recruiting, even though he wasn't on staff. I see no evidence he was on staff at all when Frank was there (or coaching for anyone in that time frame) but then he ended up being hired by Brad when he went to SFA and then OSU.
Odd.
Went to Wofford as an AHC for a year.
This says that was 07-08:
Coaching Resume
South Carolina: Assistant Coach (2008-13)
Stephen F. Austin: Assistant Coach (2013-16)
Oklahoma State: Assistant Coach (2016-Present)
Wofford: Associate Head Coach (2007-08)
Coastal Carolina: Assistant Coach (2005-07)
Furman: Graduate Manager (2004-05)
:dunno:
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the whole staff went with Frank to So.Car. right? Maybe Boynton was the video coordinator or something Frank's first year at So.Car. and they are doing a bit of an "O'Leary" to his resume
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the whole staff went with Frank to So.Car. right? Maybe Boynton was the video coordinator or something Frank's first year at So.Car. and they are doing a bit of an "O'Leary" to his resume
I'm honestly not trying to make this more than it is, but he was publically quoted as saying he understood why the whole staff was hired and he wasn't retained.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article18154892.html
He isn't listed on Frank's original staff either:
Coaches
Frank Martin - Head Coach
Brad Underwood - Associate Head Coach
Matt Figger - Assistant Coach/Recruiting Coordinator
Lamont Evans - Assistant Coach
Mark Rodger - Athletic Trainer
Andy Assaley - Director of Basketball Operations
Scott Greenawalt - Strength and Conditioning Coach
Nor is he in the staff media guide section:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/scar/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/12-mbk-mg-sec-3.pdf
It just seems a little weird.
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https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/845386615224745985
Am I overreacting by thinking this is another program in our region passing us up not only on a regional level, but also on a national level? :frown:
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no, i don't think you are over reacting
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gotlieb was just on 810
leaving cbs going to fox
last chance at a actual hc job without going through the ranks first
very awkward interview
It was interesting. I think Doug truly value's Soren's opinion and part of it seemed to be Doug really wanting Soren to validate him, but Soren was honest with the positives and negatives that Doug would bring a program.
You guys definitely buried the lede on this interview. MICHAEL PORTER JR COULD END UP AT OU! WHAT??? Or possibly crazier, Trae Young and Porter Jr might end up at Missouri. Those two kids at the same school would be nuts.
I think that's just talk to make it look like the martin and porter to mu together thing hasn't been a done deal that was worked out a week ago.
I don't see the reasoning to do that, why would they care if Washington fans are mad? If Porter Sr is truly letting his son make the decision this could get interesting.
i just think that none of the parties involved really want it to look like cuonzo and the porters had this all worked out beforehand. if porter comes out immediately and says he's going to mizzou then it kind of looks that way. that would maybe make martin look bad because he was probably recruiting for mizzou when he was still coaching cal and it doesn't exactly make the porters look great either. maybe I'm wrong, but i think everybody just looks a little better if they slow play this.
I'm just going to take them for their word, I don't know why that's so hard for people to do when it comes to athletes.
maybe because people involved in athletics (coaches more than players i suppose) lie a lot? :dunno:
Do they though? Do they lie anymore than someone in software sales? I have no way of knowing that so I'm not going to assume that they do.
so we should believe what gottleib said someone told him about porter because you aren't sure how often a software salesman lies? good grief.
Believe what you want, I'm not sure why you're so indignant. I posted some information you said you don't believe it because basketball coaches lie. I don't care that you for some reason think college basketball coaches are less trustworthy than anyone else. I don't feel this way, I'm completely unburdened with trying to suss out whether or not I'm being lied to solely based on a person's career choice.
he will end up at MU and after he does i'll go oh yeah no crap he was always going to end up there and you'll go oh ok, he ended up at mu. much in the way that I'm going yeah no crap weber snuck into the tournament as the last overall choice and didn't get fired it was always going to be that way and you're going oh ok, it looks like oscar won't get fired. you have some _fan/fence in you. nothing wrong with that.
https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/845386615224745985
Why did you add that tweet to that message chain?
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
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I think Holder maybe be an old short timer that just wanted an easy hire. He didn't want a Steve Forbes to come in and do what Unds just did.
This made me think, what if a very football focused AD hired Matt Figger or Lamont Evans for 750k next year? ATM it doesn't sound too bad.
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Gross. I don't want either of those as the KSU mbb Skipper.
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If Frank can hang around until Thornwell finds a rhythm :crossfingers:
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How is this gonna work, given what we were told by the Wendy's cashier during one of our stillwaterPAKs? Are all their home games gonna be daytime games? Is the new coach gonna have to commute from okc?
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
Mizzou did a 3 year trip down this road and came out ok
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
Mizzou did a 3 year trip down this road and came out ok
I don't think it's the same thing at all. They hired an alum who was successful at the D2 level and they thought that would translate. OSU was just like "eff it, this dude is here, whatever."
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
Mizzou did a 3 year trip down this road and came out ok
I don't think it's the same thing at all. They hired an alum who was successful at the D2 level and they thought that would translate. OSU was just like "eff it, this dude is here, whatever."
Kinda like when we hired frank
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
Mizzou did a 3 year trip down this road and came out ok
I don't think it's the same thing at all. They hired an alum who was successful at the D2 level and they thought that would translate. OSU was just like "eff it, this dude is here, whatever."
Kim Anderson was a slightly better hire because he had a small constituency in the alumni base, but no one really expected success they were mostly just happy to give a "good man" a shot after many other shady characters had come through and the AD was in shambles. I mean besides lol jason king thinking kim had turned the corner.
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
Mizzou did a 3 year trip down this road and came out ok
I don't think it's the same thing at all. They hired an alum who was successful at the D2 level and they thought that would translate. OSU was just like "eff it, this dude is here, whatever."
Kinda like when we hired frank
Lol
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Mark this day down as the day a Big 12 school made it public that they don't give a crap about a revenue sport. What's crazy is that most OSU fans don't care.
If any of you unfavorably compare our athletic department to theirs and use any combination of "T. Boone Pickens" and "money" I may personally rip your fingers off of their hands.
Mizzou did a 3 year trip down this road and came out ok
I don't think it's the same thing at all. They hired an alum who was successful at the D2 level and they thought that would translate. OSU was just like "eff it, this dude is here, whatever."
Kinda like when we hired frank
Who was Kim's Delonte & Beasley in your mind?
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Kim was the equivalent of K-State hiring Chipman instead of Wooly.
The only comparison from Boynton to Frank is if Brad had lined up one of the top recruiting classes in the country before he left and that obviously is not the case.
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I had no idea the mizzou ad wasnt still a dumpster fire. Didn't they lose their ad to baylor's rape saga?
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Why are you guys responding to kim carnes?
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Why are you guys responding to kim carnes?
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Why are you guys responding to kim carnes?
Free will.
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Why are you guys responding to kim carnes?
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:D
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the whole staff went with Frank to So.Car. right? Maybe Boynton was the video coordinator or something Frank's first year at So.Car. and they are doing a bit of an "O'Leary" to his resume
I'm honestly not trying to make this more than it is, but he was publically quoted as saying he understood why the whole staff was hired and he wasn't retained.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article18154892.html
He isn't listed on Frank's original staff either:
Coaches
Frank Martin - Head Coach
Brad Underwood - Associate Head Coach
Matt Figger - Assistant Coach/Recruiting Coordinator
Lamont Evans - Assistant Coach
Mark Rodger - Athletic Trainer
Andy Assaley - Director of Basketball Operations
Scott Greenawalt - Strength and Conditioning Coach
Nor is he in the staff media guide section:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/scar/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/12-mbk-mg-sec-3.pdf
It just seems a little weird.
Boynton at the press conference said he was with UCS for one year with Frank. Didn't seem like it was official tho.
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Would any member of #teambid still hire Gottlieb if the ksumbb hc position was open?? I think I would. This might be me drinking the cool-aid though.
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They're going way out on a huggs/frank/underwood coaching tree limb.
https://twitter.com/OSUMBB/status/846538606952906752
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Today talking with Soren, Doug was definitely disappointed he didn't get the job, surprised as he really thought he was gonna get it, and he said he was"flabbergasted" at who they did hire.
He said from a human side, it's awesome for a 35 year old who has a family, and who is a minority, is getting a dream chance to get a HC job like this. But he then said, Soren I really thought the job was mine.
Doug says he knows a ton of coaches throughout BB, and he doesn't know anything about Boyton. He said when Holder told him they couldn't go with him because of the non-coaching experience, Doug just assumed that they had hired a guy who had previous HC experience.
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Would any member of #teambid still hire Gottlieb if the ksumbb hc position was open?? I think I would. This might be me drinking the cool-aid though.
Over oscar? Absolutely. Against the field this year? Maybe. Against the field in a different (read: better) year? Probably not.
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I probably would because I know it would at least be an exciting and daring hire. However, for Doug to act "flabbergasted" that he didn't get hired as head coach at a P5 school with zero previous coaching experience is kind of asinine.
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would love for doug to get his shot at k-state. there's no sure thing out there right now, might as well make it exciting, and imo he's bright enough to be good.
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would love for doug to get his shot at k-state. there's no sure thing out there right now, might as well make it exciting, and imo he's bright enough to be good.
if oscar can just find the right soft landing we might have that chance
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I would rather go after somebody who is currently either a top recruiter for a powerhouse or somebody like Steve Forbes. I wouldn't be upset if we hired Doug, but he wouldn't be my choice.
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Do not want Doug. Hell his own university took a pass on him to promote the assistant. Steve Forbes would be great.
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Do not want Doug. Hell his own university took a pass on him to promote the assistant. Steve Forbes would be great.
Doesn't mean they made the right choice. He's obviously a crapshoot, though.
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Let say Mike and Evans elevate their recruiting and do an average job of developing players. Maintain a above average roster. In conference they stay around 5-7 wins do poor coaching / game planning. Is this a better way to stall a program than lets say what Weber is doing now? I know both are unintentional from an admin stand point.
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Let say Mike and Evans elevate their recruiting and do an average job of developing players. Maintain a above average roster. In conference they stay around 5-7 wins do poor coaching / game planning. Is this a better way to stall a program than lets say what Weber is doing now? I know both are unintentional from an admin stand point.
I don't think you'd see an above-average roster go 5-13 to 7-11. Certainly not with any consistency.
That said, I'm a firm believer in always hiring the best recruiter available. Because the coach always leaves and you want the best possible roster for the next guy.
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Let say Mike and Evans elevate their recruiting and do an average job of developing players. Maintain a above average roster. In conference they stay around 5-7 wins do poor coaching / game planning. Is this a better way to stall a program than lets say what Weber is doing now? I know both are unintentional from an admin stand point.
I don't think you'd see an above-average roster go 5-13 to 7-11. Certainly not with any consistency.
That said, I'm a firm believer in always hiring the best recruiter available. Because the coach always leaves and you want the best possible roster for the next guy.
Yeah, people that talk about any coach "being here a long time" are dumb.
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Let say Mike and Evans elevate their recruiting and do an average job of developing players. Maintain a above average roster. In conference they stay around 5-7 wins do poor coaching / game planning. Is this a better way to stall a program than lets say what Weber is doing now? I know both are unintentional from an admin stand point.
I don't think you'd see an above-average roster go 5-13 to 7-11. Certainly not with any consistency.
That said, I'm a firm believer in always hiring the best recruiter available. Because the coach always leaves and you want the best possible roster for the next guy.
Yeah, people that talk about any coach "being here a long time" are dumb.
That depends. It's ok to want that, but should never be criteria considered when looking for a coach.
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It's ok to want that, but should never be criteria considered when looking for a coach.
That's what I meant.
Between people saying they want a coach that will "stay a long time" or not firing a coach because "we could do worse", I'm not sure which is more annoying.
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It's ok to want that, but should never be criteria considered when looking for a coach.
That's what I meant.
Between people saying they want a coach that will "stay a long time" or not firing a coach because "we could do worse", I'm not sure which is more annoying.
The latter because it absolutely makes no sense.