Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2016, 08:24:50 PM
We need 5 of these to get to 8 wins. I believe 8 wins gets us into the dance with our schedule. Can we do it? I think do.
BU - W
@osu - W
Ku - W
TCU - W
@isu - L
UT - W
@ttu - W
@tcu - W
That's 7 likely wins, a 10-8 record, #6 seed in the tourney, kenpom top 25 team.
Lol, it's far fetched, but this more likely than the 6 win #goEtard consensus
Post by: ksu101 on February 06, 2016, 08:32:06 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 06, 2016, 08:32:32 PM
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2016, 08:35:24 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 06, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
It's totally likely to happen guys.
Why not us?
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 08:42:25 PM
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2016, 08:43:29 PM
exactly 10-8 is so much more likely, to say otherwise makes you a "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)" or hater who wants oscar to fail. No objective observer of KSU could think we would finish below .500 in conference. You would have to a an idiot to think so.It's totally likely to happen guys.
Why not us?
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2016, 08:44:41 PM
kpm predicto is now 7-11. either 6-12 or 8-10 is quite likely.ken pom is just an idiot with a grudge against oscar and holding players accountable. you should totally ignore him as the agenda driven moron he is.
Post by: catzacker on February 06, 2016, 08:46:07 PM
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Why wouldn't we win all of them? Or is that improbable?only a stupid person would think otherwise
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2016, 08:47:57 PM
exactly 10-8 is so much more likely, to say otherwise makes you a "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)" or hater who wants oscar to fail. No objective observer of KSU could think we would finish below .500 in conference. You would have to a an idiot to think so.It's totally likely to happen guys.
Why not us?
:lol:
#goetard
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2016, 08:48:40 PM
Post by: Canary on February 06, 2016, 08:49:26 PM
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 08:50:30 PM
kpm predicto is now 7-11. either 6-12 or 8-10 is quite likely.ken pom is just an idiot with a grudge against oscar and holding players accountable. you should totally ignore him as the agenda driven moron he is.
there's some conflict between fsd's thread title and his post. i was assuming he meant to push forward the idea of 8-10 (and bubble team) as a reasonable point of discussion, not that people were supposed to take seriously the idea that 10-8 is more probable than going 6-12.
Post by: wetwillie on February 06, 2016, 08:51:29 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 06, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Big 12 is #1 rated Conf like last year, so 8-10 and go 1-1 in KC could sneak us in.
Likely Best case is for us to beat Ku,Bay and Texas at home. Then go 2-1 at OSU/Tech/TCU. That would likely land us at 9-9. I don't expect that, so going 4-2 instead of 5-1 in above games is probably much more likely.
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 09:20:22 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 06, 2016, 09:21:10 PM
That said, let's do better and make it no doubt, even after our poor start.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2016, 09:21:38 PM
kpm predicto is now 7-11. either 6-12 or 8-10 is quite likely.ken pom is just an idiot with a grudge against oscar and holding players accountable. you should totally ignore him as the agenda driven moron he is.
there's some conflict between fsd's thread title and his post. i was assuming he meant to push forward the idea of 8-10 (and bubble team) as a reasonable point of discussion, not that people were supposed to take seriously the idea that 10-8 is more probable than going 6-12.
This is a fair point. When I started it I was operating under a premise that 8-10 would be sufficient to dance. Then I handicapped our remaining schedule and was like, holy crap, it was so front loaded 7-1 is arguably possible (much more so than the 3-5 many a #goetard dream for).
The discussion should focus on our chances of finishing 8-10. Which I maintain is very likely.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
At .8548, Big 12 is 2nd best conference in kenpom since 2004 ACC. 8-10 absolutely gets us in.
That said, let's do better and make it no doubt, even after our poor start.
The conference is stupid good this year. The fact that our rebuilt and young team is competitive has me cautiously optimistic for the future. I had no expectation of making the tourney this year, yet it seems quite possible (particularly with the expanded field and 3 teams already dq- louis, smu, syr).
I know this type of honest dialogue is frowned upon among the #goetard, but man its fun
Post by: kso_FAN on February 06, 2016, 09:30:36 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on February 06, 2016, 09:32:15 PM
Post by: Canary on February 06, 2016, 09:32:33 PM
Post by: TownieCat on February 06, 2016, 09:33:37 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2016, 09:34:08 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 06, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
i guess if we get superhuman efforts from wes every time we play in bramlage we can do it. DJamer appeared to play out of his mind tonight too.
Seems like my guy DJamer has been playing well lately.
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Post by: ednksu on February 06, 2016, 09:39:15 PM
Post by: dal9 on February 06, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
Man I want a tournament bid. And I want a first round matchup with frank.
the always-exciting 12-12 matchup...i guess it could happen in the "First Four"
Post by: wetwillie on February 06, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Man I want a tournament bid. And I want a first round matchup with frank.
the always-exciting 12-12 matchup...i guess it could happen in the "First Four"
You don't watch college basketball do you?
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 10:00:38 PM
At .8548, Big 12 is 2nd best conference in kenpom since 2004 ACC. 8-10 absolutely gets us in.
it doesn't matter how good the teams are if you don't beat them. purely hypothetically (i don't think, and am not arguing, that it's the most likely path to 8-10), if kstate goes 6-0 against the 3 non tourney possible teams and 2-10 against the tourney teams along with 0-2 against noncon at-large possibles - that's not a good bubble resume.
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on February 06, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
Baylor probably not favored
@OSU favored
@TCU favored
KU not favored
Texas probably not favored
@ISU not favored
TCU favored
@Tech not favored
Vegas would probably put us at 6-12 in conference.
I suggest you guys bet on K-State getting to the Tournament since Vegas has us at 5000 to 1 odds.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/futures/
Post by: dal9 on February 06, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
What games are we actually going to be the favorite in?
Baylor probably not favored
@OSU favored
@TCU favored
KU not favored
Texas probably not favored
@ISU not favored
TCU favored
@Tech not favored
Vegas would probably put us at 6-12 in conference.
I suggest you guys bet on K-State getting to the Tournament since Vegas has us at 5000 to 1 odds.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/futures/
@OSU and Texas I'd say both are pick 'ems
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2016, 10:33:46 PM
We are better than 50-50 to beat KU. The problem is our difficulty on the road. I think getting to 8-10 is going to be very difficult because we will not win more than 1 on the road. 6 or 7 wins seems very likely.
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2016, 10:36:27 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2016, 10:38:21 PM
Post by: renocat on February 06, 2016, 10:39:26 PM
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 10:40:01 PM
It is extremely unlikely we beat Baylor.
kp has kstate favored to beat baylor. they favor kstate in all the home games except ku (and have ku at just 54%). i agree with your point about home/road. i actually think kp probably underestimates the importance of home/road*, although it usually seems like it is a more important factor to kp than it is among fans.
* - may have it about right overall, but i think it is probably underestimated for high major conference games and overestimated on the other end of the spectrum.
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 10:40:52 PM
Isn't this our first top 50 win this year?
as you can see, one is enough.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
It is extremely unlikely we beat Baylor.
kp has kstate favored to beat baylor. they favor kstate in all the home games except ku (and have ku at just 54%). i agree with your point about home/road. i actually think kp probably underestimates the importance of home/road*, although it usually seems like it is a more important factor to kp than it is among fans.
* - may have it about right overall, but i think it is probably underestimated for high major conference games and overestimated on the other end of the spectrum.
baylor's zone will kill us. also mid-week game against baylor will not get the same crowd we just had.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 06, 2016, 10:57:55 PM
What games are we actually going to be the favorite in?
Baylorprobably notfavored
@OSU not favored
@TCU favored
KU not favored might be a pick'em
Texasprobably notfavored
@ISU not favored
TCU favored
@Tech not favored
Vegas would probably put us at 6-12 in conference.
I suggest you guys bet on K-State getting to the Tournament since Vegas has us at 5000 to 1 odds.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/futures/
@OSU and Texas I'd say both are pick 'ems
:thumbs:
Post by: Skipper44 on February 06, 2016, 10:59:43 PM
Post by: sys on February 06, 2016, 11:29:20 PM
baylor's zone will kill us.
i'm not sure i believe in the magical powers of zones. and even if i did, this isn't the baylor zone of old. baylor is an elite offense shackled to a very poor defense.
Post by: TownieCat on February 06, 2016, 11:39:42 PM
Isn't Drew 2-1 in MHK vs oscar?No.
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 06, 2016, 11:59:03 PM
would depend on who the five are, i think. tcu x 2, tech, osu and 1 good win wouldn't do it. bu, ku, isu, ut and one of the poor teams would be in easy.
We need to get 2 of 3 (bay Ku Tex) to have a shot. Otherwise, if we go 1-1 in Kc, we are 2-11 vs NCAA teams from B12.
Texas made it last year going 2-9 vs B12 Conf teams. So its not impossible, but Ksu at 20-13 8-10 with only 2 wins vs top 50 (Ga was 65 today) seems kinda iffy.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 07, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Isn't this our first top 50 win this year?
Take it to the Frank Martin thread.
at one point in time TTU was top 50, iirc
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2016, 09:16:11 AM
Post by: TownieCat on February 07, 2016, 09:38:20 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 07, 2016, 09:42:46 AM
baylor's zone will kill us.
i'm not sure i believe in the magical powers of zones. and even if i did, this isn't the baylor zone of old. baylor is an elite offense shackled to a very poor defense.
Did you watch the ISU game? That zone was magical and they have an even worse defense.
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Post by: Kat Kid on February 07, 2016, 09:44:54 AM
Baylor isn't zoning near as much this year
Drew always starts off in it and then abandons when it does not work. It is not a very good zone usually and they are generally better off playing man, but against a historically bad shooting team like us they will be very good. We also will get out rebounded and will struggle to get to the line.
Any other brain busters?
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Post by: CyberToothCat on February 07, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
would depend on who the five are, i think. tcu x 2, tech, osu and 1 good win wouldn't do it. bu, ku, isu, ut and one of the poor teams would be in easy.
We need to get 2 of 3 (bay Ku Tex) to have a shot. Otherwise, if we go 1-1 in Kc, we are 2-11 vs NCAA teams from B12.
Texas made it last year going 2-9 vs B12 Conf teams. So its not impossible, but Ksu at 20-13 8-10 with only 2 wins vs top 50 (Ga was 65 today) seems kinda iffy.
I will beg to differ. If we somehow get to 20-13 (8-10), we will easily be in the tourney. We won't even be on the bubble, it'll be like an 8/9 seed.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
Baylor isn't zoning near as much this year
Drew always starts off in it and then abandons when it does not work. It is not a very good zone usually and they are generally better off playing man, but against a historically bad shooting team like us they will be very good. We also will get out rebounded and will struggle to get to the line.
Any other brain busters?
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How did we take them to 2ot otr????
I expect us to beat Baylor if we play hard, attack the zone and limit passes to wrong team/pep band. The zone is only magical to the extent it trick fucks undisciplined teams into shooting more 3's than would otherwise be advisable.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2016, 10:18:51 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 07, 2016, 10:49:09 AM
Should have a really solid rpi.would depend on who the five are, i think. tcu x 2, tech, osu and 1 good win wouldn't do it. bu, ku, isu, ut and one of the poor teams would be in easy.
We need to get 2 of 3 (bay Ku Tex) to have a shot. Otherwise, if we go 1-1 in Kc, we are 2-11 vs NCAA teams from B12.
Texas made it last year going 2-9 vs B12 Conf teams. So its not impossible, but Ksu at 20-13 8-10 with only 2 wins vs top 50 (Ga was 65 today) seems kinda iffy.
I will beg to differ. If we somehow get to 20-13 (8-10), we will easily be in the tourney. We won't even be on the bubble, it'll be like an 8/9 seed.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2016, 11:03:17 AM
Post by: Boondock Poonhound on February 07, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
I hope oscar keeps DJamer as a starter and Dean coming off the bench. I think it works better that way.
It did seem it made Wade more assertive.
or
OU just sucks at defense.
Post by: sys on February 07, 2016, 11:13:22 AM
Did you watch the ISU game?
did you watch the baylor game?
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
Did you watch the ISU game?
did you watch the baylor game?
Yeah. If we had gone to Baylor and been destroyed I could get it, but we looked pretty decent against their zone much of the night, especially the first half. Granted, Baylor's length bothered us as indicated by our poor shooting on 2s and over 20 TOs, but I think those are things you can generally rectify at home. I am fairly confident that we'll play well again Wednesday night.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 07, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
Did you watch the ISU game?
did you watch the baylor game?
Yeah. If we had gone to Baylor and been destroyed I could get it, but we looked pretty decent against their zone much of the night, especially the first half. Granted, Baylor's length bothered us as indicated by our poor shooting on 2s and over 20 TOs, but I think those are things you can generally rectify at home. I am fairly confident that we'll play well again Wednesday night.
If Dean continues his play from yesterday we should be fine. He will get open looks.
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 07, 2016, 12:10:38 PM
would depend on who the five are, i think. tcu x 2, tech, osu and 1 good win wouldn't do it. bu, ku, isu, ut and one of the poor teams would be in easy.
We need to get 2 of 3 (bay Ku Tex) to have a shot. Otherwise, if we go 1-1 in Kc, we are 2-11 vs NCAA teams from B12.
Texas made it last year going 2-9 vs B12 Conf teams. So its not impossible, but Ksu at 20-13 8-10 with only 2 wins vs top 50 (Ga was 65 today) seems kinda iffy.
I will beg to differ. If we somehow get to 20-13 (8-10), we will easily be in the tourney. We won't even be on the bubble, it'll be like an 8/9 seed.
Ya, I shouldn't have said our chances are iffy, I would just feel better if we didn't finish 2-11 vs the other 6 teams that will be in the tourney.
Now, being a 8/9 seed..... We still need to get some good wins before we get on the 9 seed line.
Like I said Ok St got to the 9 seed line with a 8-10 record, but getting 6 top 50 wins and 2 of them being on the road were factors that got them a 9 and not a 11/12 seed. Right now we only have 1 win away from home vs a top 100 team (and top 150 to be more specific). Tech could be that 2nd win (both top 75) away from home
Post by: sys on February 07, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
If Dean continues his play from yesterday we should be fine. He will get open looks.
He is a big key against their zone. He was 4-12 in Waco, mostly good looks from 15 feet and in. Wes was 3-10 on similar looks. Hurt and Edwards were both 1-4. That's a big chunk of our offense combining to go 9-30.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 07, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
If Dean continues his play from yesterday we should be fine. He will get open looks.
He is a big key against their zone. He was 4-12 in Waco, mostly good looks from 15 feet and in. Wes was 3-10 on similar looks. Hurt and Edwards were both 1-4. That's a big chunk of our offense combining to go 9-30.
We suck at shooting. We shot out of our mind against unc and should've won, we shot out our mind yesterday. We will shoot like poop again Wednesday and lose.
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Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2016, 01:02:00 PM
Post by: The Big Train on February 07, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Baylor will zone the crap out of us on Wednesday. We better spend the next three days shooting 3s in practice.
I think our 3pt% is very misleading and that plays to our advantage. We have kept our really good 3pt shooters(Budke, Wes, Hurt) close to the vest most of the season. The last few games we have seen oscar show his hand a bit, and I think against Baylor he lets those guys go to work.
Post by: slobber on February 07, 2016, 01:45:05 PM
oscaruary unleashedBaylor will zone the crap out of us on Wednesday. We better spend the next three days shooting 3s in practice.
I think our 3pt% is very misleading and that plays to our advantage. We have kept our really good 3pt shooters(Budke, Wes, Hurt) close to the vest most of the season. The last few games we have seen oscar show his hand a bit, and I think against Baylor he lets those guys go to work.
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Post by: ChiComCat on February 07, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 07, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
I am excited about beating a good team and all but I am a long ways from predicting the rest of K-state's season based on 1 conference game instead of the previous 9
So much this
Post by: sys on February 07, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
I am excited about beating a good team and all but I am a long ways from predicting the rest of K-state's season based on 1 conference game instead of the previous 9
So much this
it's less than a full game over the kp prediction. it's not an outlandish overreaction.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 07, 2016, 04:33:46 PM
I am excited about beating a good team and all but I am a long ways from predicting the rest of K-state's season based on 1 conference game instead of the previous 9
So much this
it's less than a full game over the kp prediction. it's not an outlandish overreaction.
It also appears Evans is out for OSU, so their is another little bump.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2016, 04:41:45 PM
I am excited about beating a good team and all but I am a long ways from predicting the rest of K-state's season based on 1 conference game instead of the previous 9
So much this
it's less than a full game over the kp prediction. it's not an outlandish overreaction.
It also appears Evans is out for OSU, so their is another little bump.
Yeah, Ford's comments about Evans' injury are very much like some of oscar's comments about Stokes. This was last night after their game.
“I don’t think he’ll be back anytime soon, at this point. We’re going to meet here again with his mom and doctors and I’ll probably have some news for you pretty soon.”
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 07, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
I am excited about beating a good team and all but I am a long ways from predicting the rest of K-state's season based on 1 conference game instead of the previous 9
So much this
it's less than a full game over the kp prediction. it's not an outlandish overreaction.
It also appears Evans is out for OSU, so their is another little bump.
Yeah, Ford's comments about Evans' injury are very much like some of oscar's comments about Stokes. This was last night after their game.
“I don’t think he’ll be back anytime soon, at this point. We’re going to meet here again with his mom and doctors and I’ll probably have some news for you pretty soon.”
That game is huge, tack care of business against BU and we could start nifty little winning streak.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 07, 2016, 07:42:03 PM
If Dean continues his play from yesterday we should be fine. He will get open looks.
He is a big key against their zone. He was 4-12 in Waco, mostly good looks from 15 feet and in. Wes was 3-10 on similar looks. Hurt and Edwards were both 1-4. That's a big chunk of our offense combining to go 9-30.
Can't believe we were in that game with that shooting performance.
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2016, 09:06:45 PM
Did you watch the ISU game?
did you watch the baylor game?
Our offense was worse against Baylor.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 07, 2016, 09:34:38 PM
Post by: sys on February 07, 2016, 09:35:33 PM
Our offense was worse against Baylor.
essentially the same. also pretty close to the same as in all the other games against good teams, except ou (and osu & tech if you include them, which you probably should).
Post by: renocat on February 07, 2016, 10:17:43 PM
Post by: bones129 on February 08, 2016, 12:30:47 AM
They poured some oscar Juice down their gullets. Oscar helped them gain confidence. Actually OSU should be the hardest game in my opinion. I think they win at ISU. I hope they crawl up j birds carcass, and whizz down their throats. Teach them it don't pay spit on someone who is nknocher down.
Interesting post.
Post by: BrokenSky1113 on February 08, 2016, 12:37:39 AM
They poured some oscar Juice down their gullets. Oscar helped them gain confidence. Actually OSU should be the hardest game in my opinion. I think they win at ISU. I hope they crawl up j birds carcass, and whizz down their throats. Teach them it don't pay spit on someone who is nknocher down.
Interesting post.
there is only one reno
Post by: Trogdor on February 08, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 10, 2016, 09:22:16 PM
Post by: sys on February 10, 2016, 09:23:52 PM
yeah, no.
anyone can get unlucky against a zone on a given night, kk.
Post by: CHONGS on February 10, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
Post by: catastrophe on February 10, 2016, 09:31:05 PM
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 10, 2016, 09:32:10 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtI1wH7FHHv5PkbQVJOEqWvz7YjCtH29N-hMzajhqlqRJ_uLE0dQ)yeah, no.
anyone can get unlucky against a zone on a given night, kk.
Post by: sys on February 10, 2016, 09:39:30 PM
Would be doing better if the rough ridin' schedule makers did us a favor for once.
what if i told you kstate is about to call in a ton of favors from these schedulemakers?
Post by: pissclams on February 10, 2016, 09:41:03 PM
Post by: The Big Train on February 10, 2016, 09:41:30 PM
Post by: catastrophe on February 10, 2016, 09:43:46 PM
Would be doing better if the rough ridin' schedule makers did us a favor for once.
what if i told you kstate is about to call in a ton of favors from these schedulemakers?
Then I'd move myself on over to the Jazzed thread.
Post by: pissclams on February 10, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 10, 2016, 09:45:20 PM
Post by: sys on February 10, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Would be doing better if the rough ridin' schedule makers did us a favor for once.
what if i told you kstate is about to call in a ton of favors from these schedulemakers?
Then I'd move myself on over to the Jazzed thread.
:excited:
Post by: sys on February 10, 2016, 09:46:27 PM
had rico gathers played tonight, we would have seen a different result
it was a bad break, but saturday is a new day.
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 10, 2016, 09:55:53 PM
Getting a 48-50% eFG and a TO% of 17-19 in same game is just impossible to do for this team.
Post by: BrokenSky1113 on February 10, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 10, 2016, 11:23:43 PM
Its just disheartening to be down 8 and be thinking ok, that's gonna be four straight stops and four straight half-court buckets.it could have been 5 stops, 5 half court shots. that's what I was thinking anyway
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 10, 2016, 11:30:28 PM
Instead of being in a tight game, we found ourselves down 10.
We are not a good shooting team but I'm just sick and tired of the TOs. We got 1.3 PPP on our Poss in the first half when we didn't Turn it over. So if we had 6 TOs like Baylor had, we might have been down 3 and not 11 at half. Down 11 at half, we basically have to play a "great half" to win or shoot out of our minds.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 11, 2016, 07:55:47 AM
I really wish The Flush would play as hard as Dogbite.
On the Wes topic - dude will not be a ball in hand, scoring machine, however much we wish it. Even the play by play guy last night argued that he could've been scoring more. I dunno man, just not seeing it and the fact that he is our leading scorer is a sure sign that this is not an NCAA tourney team.
Dean needs confidence and the weight room.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 08:16:22 AM
Such a weird game. Al Freeman has the game of his life. Props to him, he's always been pretty underrated on that roster. But otherwise, they have no Gathers, we're rebounding the hell out of the ball, they're getting in foul trouble in the post, DJamer and Edwards are having career scoring games, yet it never really felt like we were in the game. Just depressing.
I really wish The Flush would play as hard as Dogbite.
On the Wes topic - dude will not be a ball in hand, scoring machine, however much we wish it. Even the play by play guy last night argued that he could've been scoring more. I dunno man, just not seeing it and the fact that he is our leading scorer is a sure sign that this is not an NCAA tourney team.
Dean needs confidence and the weight room.
We were so passive most of the game against the zone. We had a stretch when we cut the lead from 14 to 3 where it was clear we made it a priority to get inside the zone and attack the rim. We shot a ton of free throws during that stretch, then we seemingly went away from that.
Post by: TownieCat on February 11, 2016, 08:29:02 AM
Such a weird game. Al Freeman has the game of his life. Props to him, he's always been pretty underrated on that roster. But otherwise, they have no Gathers, we're rebounding the hell out of the ball, they're getting in foul trouble in the post, DJamer and Edwards are having career scoring games, yet it never really felt like we were in the game. Just depressing.
I really wish The Flush would play as hard as Dogbite.
On the Wes topic - dude will not be a ball in hand, scoring machine, however much we wish it. Even the play by play guy last night argued that he could've been scoring more. I dunno man, just not seeing it and the fact that he is our leading scorer is a sure sign that this is not an NCAA tourney team.
Dean needs confidence and the weight room.
When it was 59-54 with 6 minutes left I felt like we were very much in the game. The offense had its problems all night, but when we really needed them the defense couldn't get stops. There were a couple of other times when we had cut it to 3 or 4 and then Baylor would hit a 3 to suck the air out of the building.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 11, 2016, 08:35:53 AM
Such a weird game. Al Freeman has the game of his life. Props to him, he's always been pretty underrated on that roster. But otherwise, they have no Gathers, we're rebounding the hell out of the ball, they're getting in foul trouble in the post, DJamer and Edwards are having career scoring games, yet it never really felt like we were in the game. Just depressing.
I really wish The Flush would play as hard as Dogbite.
On the Wes topic - dude will not be a ball in hand, scoring machine, however much we wish it. Even the play by play guy last night argued that he could've been scoring more. I dunno man, just not seeing it and the fact that he is our leading scorer is a sure sign that this is not an NCAA tourney team.
Dean needs confidence and the weight room.
We were so passive most of the game against the zone. We had a stretch when we cut the lead from 14 to 3 where it was clear we made it a priority to get inside the zone and attack the rim. We shot a ton of free throws during that stretch, then we seemingly went away from that.
We needed Shane Southwell. How lol is that? But I knew we would do the Hold the ball and everyone standing around and do nothing thing.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 11, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2016, 08:41:56 AM
Such a weird game. Al Freeman has the game of his life. Props to him, he's always been pretty underrated on that roster. But otherwise, they have no Gathers, we're rebounding the hell out of the ball, they're getting in foul trouble in the post, DJamer and Edwards are having career scoring games, yet it never really felt like we were in the game. Just depressing.
I really wish The Flush would play as hard as Dogbite.
On the Wes topic - dude will not be a ball in hand, scoring machine, however much we wish it. Even the play by play guy last night argued that he could've been scoring more. I dunno man, just not seeing it and the fact that he is our leading scorer is a sure sign that this is not an NCAA tourney team.
Dean needs confidence and the weight room.
We were so passive most of the game against the zone. We had a stretch when we cut the lead from 14 to 3 where it was clear we made it a priority to get inside the zone and attack the rim. We shot a ton of free throws during that stretch, then we seemingly went away from that.
We needed Shane Southwell. How lol is that? But I knew we would do the Hold the ball and everyone standing around and do nothing thing.
That's kind of been the offense all year (with a few exceptions).
Post by: ChiComCat on February 11, 2016, 08:44:49 AM
Post by: CHONGS on February 11, 2016, 10:00:27 AM
I find it hard to believe anybody is running an offense with how well we pass the ball out of bounds. We look like a pickup team at the rec that has never played together.I think it's actually a sign of a team that has been coached to run an offense in a rigid and mindless manner. They are drilled to "pass now" regardless of whether someone is there or not, regardless of it making sense to do so because they are supposed to "pass now". They are programmed to not improvise or make decisions that aren't explicitly given.
In other words, its a team that has been coached to rely on routine/drills too much.
Post by: CHONGS on February 11, 2016, 10:02:20 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2016, 10:13:07 AM
See oscar's quote about West Virginia "forcing you to play basketball".I find it hard to believe anybody is running an offense with how well we pass the ball out of bounds. We look like a pickup team at the rec that has never played together.I think it's actually a sign of a team that has been coached to run an offense in a rigid and mindless manner. They are drilled to "pass now" regardless of whether someone is there or not, regardless of it making sense to do so because they are supposed to "pass now". They are programmed to not improvise or make decisions that aren't explicitly given.
In other words, its a team that has been coached to rely on routine/drills too much.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 10:51:47 AM
See oscar's quote about West Virginia "forcing you to play basketball".I find it hard to believe anybody is running an offense with how well we pass the ball out of bounds. We look like a pickup team at the rec that has never played together.I think it's actually a sign of a team that has been coached to run an offense in a rigid and mindless manner. They are drilled to "pass now" regardless of whether someone is there or not, regardless of it making sense to do so because they are supposed to "pass now". They are programmed to not improvise or make decisions that aren't explicitly given.
In other words, its a team that has been coached to rely on routine/drills too much.
Good points.
This is where having better players helps. Its nice to think of the concept of having a really coached up team, but the fact is talented players make coaches look good. Its much easier to coach when you have guys that can just flat out go make plays sometimes, inside and outside of the schemes you coach.
Mich said it best in another thread, this team just isn't overly talented. Enough talent to have 2 to 3 more wins? Probably, but those wins come much easier when you have players that are a little bit better.
The thing that stands out on this year's team is having nobody scoring in the upper 20s in points per 100. I don't think any amount of coaching or "Xs and Os" would change that. This team is what it is, and its not a team blessed with many scoring options.
Post by: sys on February 11, 2016, 10:55:31 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
before y'all wallow too far into the kstate-zone-krytonite loop, take time to compare the oeff of last night's game to oeffs of other games against top 25ish opponents.
Yeah, it was our best OEFF in a loss.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 11:04:24 AM
before y'all wallow too far into the kstate-zone-krytonite loop, take time to compare the oeff of last night's game to oeffs of other games against top 25ish opponents.
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 11:04:51 AM
before y'all wallow too far into the kstate-zone-krytonite loop, take time to compare the oeff of last night's game to oeffs of other games against top 25ish opponents.
Yeah, it was our best OEFF in a loss.
Rebounding half your misses will do that.
Post by: sys on February 11, 2016, 11:24:08 AM
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
baylor's ball movement was a joy to watch.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 11:40:20 AM
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
baylor's ball movement was a joy to watch.
I have too much bias to appreciate an opponent like that. If I was watching as a neutral observer I probably could do it.
Post by: catastrophe on February 11, 2016, 11:40:48 AM
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
baylor's ball movement was a joy to watch.
They also made some pretty tough shots to pull ahead every time we got some momentum. That is what talented players can do for a team.
Post by: pissclams on February 11, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
I'm not a basketball coach but I don't think the way to break a zone is to pass it 5 times between the same two guards out beyond the 3 point line.that has a lot to do with the big guys in the zone offense. big meat is lost against a zone and often was in the same space as djamer. then he'd reset and by then we're down to 10 on the clock. claws was on the bench most of the game because that dark hair ref hated us. he's our only big that is really comfortable in a zone offense.
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2016, 12:03:08 PM
Post by: kslim on February 11, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
well i know where im taking my advice from for now onIt is extremely unlikely we beat Baylor.
kp has kstate favored to beat baylor. they favor kstate in all the home games except ku (and have ku at just 54%). i agree with your point about home/road. i actually think kp probably underestimates the importance of home/road*, although it usually seems like it is a more important factor to kp than it is among fans.
* - may have it about right overall, but i think it is probably underestimated for high major conference games and overestimated on the other end of the spectrum.
baylor's zone will kill us. also mid-week game against baylor will not get the same crowd we just had.
Post by: pissclams on February 11, 2016, 12:07:42 PM
dana gets it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1b_demY94Y
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2016, 01:48:54 PM
before y'all wallow too far into the kstate-zone-krytonite loop, take time to compare the oeff of last night's game to oeffs of other games against top 25ish opponents.
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
Getting half your team in a car wreck will do that
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 11, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
before y'all wallow too far into the kstate-zone-krytonite loop, take time to compare the oeff of last night's game to oeffs of other games against top 25ish opponents.
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
Getting half your team in a car wreck will do that
The automobiles did us no favors.
Post by: kslim on February 11, 2016, 03:09:59 PM
nor the timing of the accident, makes our team seem unprepared for such events and we should maybe not have accidents on a tuesday. i could go even farther to say that when you have accidents away from bramlage they seem to be harder then at home. stay safe out therebefore y'all wallow too far into the kstate-zone-krytonite loop, take time to compare the oeff of last night's game to oeffs of other games against top 25ish opponents.
True, nobody is really talking about that fact that this was K-State's worst defensive game of the season.
Getting half your team in a car wreck will do that
The automobiles did us no favors.
Post by: CHONGS on February 11, 2016, 03:17:13 PM
Post by: kslim on February 11, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
was it even an accident?eff!
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2016, 04:11:47 PM
Post by: dal9 on February 11, 2016, 04:26:28 PM
Post by: CHONGS on February 11, 2016, 04:37:06 PM
ft defense failed at a crucial time...that's 100% on the fans
Post by: TownieCat on February 11, 2016, 04:39:43 PM
ft defense failed at a crucial time...that's 100% on thefanstarp
fyp
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
ft defense failed at a crucial time...that's 100% on the fans
Yep, just not enough effort from the fans.
Sad, but, has to be said.
Post by: #LIFE on February 11, 2016, 04:53:44 PM
ft defense failed at a crucial time...that's 100% on the fans
Just being classy fans and keeping the noise down
Post by: Trim on February 11, 2016, 09:23:34 PM
Would be doing better if the rough ridin' schedule makers did us a favor for once.
what if i told you kstate is about to call in a ton of favors from these schedulemakers?
Then I'd move myself on over to the Jazzed thread.
:excited:
While we're all jazzed thinking the schedule-makers are down with the 'cats now by lining up the schedule so we have winnable road games and opportunities for big-time wins at home, isn't the view of those opponents that now the tables have turned and they'll get to whip their fellow bottom-feeding wednesday team's ass at home while the thursday schools know they just have to avoid pulling an oklahoma and should escape the fOOD unscathed?
rough ridin' schedule-makers.
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 11, 2016, 10:18:48 PM
ft defense failed at a crucial time...
Baylor must like shooting FTs at the OOD.
They made their last 17 to beat us 2 years ago on Sr night
They have now made 57 of their last 61 they have taken in our building
Post by: Gooch on February 12, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
That was the last BBall game I attended. I was however very jazzed for this game.ft defense failed at a crucial time...
Baylor must like shooting FTs at the OOD.
They made their last 17 to beat us 2 years ago on Sr night
They have now made 57 of their last 61 they have taken in our building
Post by: CHONGS on February 15, 2016, 09:21:53 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGtzOtfn.png&hash=8faf1c6a43a285ebc3f5644721859e6ddf2a9add)
but alas the gETards might be right on this one :frown:
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2016, 11:12:20 AM
That's 7 likely wins, a 10-8 record, #6 seed in the tourney, kenpom top 25 team.
Lol, it's far fetched, but this more likely than the 6 win #goEtard consensus
gETards! :angry: :shakesfist:
Post by: SdK on February 15, 2016, 11:57:59 AM
You too with the tards? I thought better of you sd. :frown:That's 7 likely wins, a 10-8 record, #6 seed in the tourney, kenpom top 25 team.
Lol, it's far fetched, but this more likely than the 6 win #goEtard consensus
gETards! :angry: :shakesfist:
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2016, 11:58:31 AM
You too with the tards? I thought better of you sd. :frown:That's 7 likely wins, a 10-8 record, #6 seed in the tourney, kenpom top 25 team.
Lol, it's far fetched, but this more likely than the 6 win #goEtard consensus
gETards! :angry: :shakesfist:
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I'm quoting fsd
Post by: sys on February 15, 2016, 01:31:32 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 15, 2016, 01:35:03 PM
If we come out flat as eff against baylor, I'll drop all this. If we play well and win, I'm going full gopo
Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2016, 02:04:10 PM
retards is too useful a word to give up. but if everyone else will stop using poors, i'll do it.
Poors quit being funny a long time ago so I don't think anyone uses it anymore
Post by: sys on February 15, 2016, 02:06:10 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2016, 02:09:02 PM
Grass fed is for poors
Post by: CHONGS on February 15, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
well we can say that it's certainly not more likely at all
That's 7 likely wins, a 10-8 record, #6 seed in the tourney, kenpom top 25 team.
Lol, it's far fetched, but this more likely than the 6 win #goEtard consensus
of course your almost immediate backpedaling is noted, which makes your over the top confidence in the original post all the more amusing
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2016, 02:30:22 PM
retards is too useful a word to give up. but if everyone else will stop using poors, i'll do it.
Be your own man, they're both gross and useless.
Post by: sys on February 15, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
retards is too useful a word to give up. but if everyone else will stop using poors, i'll do it.
Be your own man, they're both gross and useless.
i like Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). giving it up would be a sacrifice. i'll only do it if i get something back.
Post by: Gooch on February 15, 2016, 03:45:51 PM
I've started going with crap brain'd.retards is too useful a word to give up. but if everyone else will stop using poors, i'll do it.
Be your own man, they're both gross and useless.
i like Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). giving it up would be a sacrifice. i'll only do it if i get something back.
Post by: sys on February 15, 2016, 04:00:58 PM
I've started going with crap brain'd.
they'll take that away from you too, unless you vote for trump.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 15, 2016, 06:57:47 PM
I've started going with crap brain'd.
they'll take that away from you too, unless you vote for trump.
That's a great post.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 15, 2016, 08:19:44 PM
retards is too useful a word to give up. but if everyone else will stop using poors, i'll do it.
Poors quit being funny a long time ago so I don't think anyone uses it anymore
I use poors with frequency. Still useful.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2016, 08:24:13 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 15, 2016, 08:50:28 PM
well we can say that it's certainly not more likely at all
That's 7 likely wins, a 10-8 record, #6 seed in the tourney, kenpom top 25 team.
Lol, it's far fetched, but this more likely than the 6 win #goEtard consensus
of course your almost immediate backpedaling is noted, which makes your over the top confidence in the original post all the more amusing
Amusing sells around here
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2016, 09:03:25 PM
Post by: mocat on February 15, 2016, 09:03:54 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 15, 2016, 09:08:54 PM
I want clams to stop saying mongoloid, that one is horrible
you're such a mong
Post by: Cire on February 15, 2016, 09:34:38 PM
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Post by: slobber on February 22, 2016, 08:09:37 AM
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Post by: CHONGS on February 23, 2016, 08:48:43 AM
8-10 is no longer possible...but unlike the agendista kenpom I think 6 wins is still pretty likely!
Post by: mocat on February 23, 2016, 08:55:12 AM
next best is nc state all the way down at #65
Post by: kso_FAN on February 23, 2016, 09:40:29 AM
we're the highest ranked (@sys: lowest ranked?) team with 13 losses at #47 :gocho:
next best is nc state all the way down at #65
Its always good to measure success by being "the highest ranked ____ loss team!".
Post by: BostonPancake on February 23, 2016, 10:07:58 AM
we're the highest ranked (@sys: lowest ranked?) team with 13 losses at #47 :gocho:
next best is nc state all the way down at #65
Its always good to measure success by being "the highest ranked ____ loss team!".
Banner!!!
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 23, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
we're the highest ranked (@sys: lowest ranked?) team with 13 losses at #47 :gocho:
next best is nc state all the way down at #65
Its always good to measure success by being "the highest ranked ____ loss team!".
Banner!!!
The fact that there's not ALREADY a banner up for that makes me wonder if John Currie even wants oscar to succeed? Hard to get things headed the right way if the AD is working against you.
Post by: mocat on February 23, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
we're the highest ranked (@sys: lowest ranked?) team with 13 losses at #47 :gocho:
next best is nc state all the way down at #65
Its always good to measure success by being "the highest ranked ____ loss team!".
it proves that they've been doing everything right except getting the W's!
Post by: ChiComCat on February 23, 2016, 10:21:18 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2016, 10:29:24 AM
We've won everything but the games.we're the highest ranked (@sys: lowest ranked?) team with 13 losses at #47 :gocho:
next best is nc state all the way down at #65
Its always good to measure success by being "the highest ranked ____ loss team!".
it proves that they've been doing everything right except getting the W's!