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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: massofcatfan on January 27, 2016, 09:51:15 AM
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Just curious about what Frank said to Will at (OU? OSU?) missed shot or free throw or failure to take shot. Assume someone will see this and know exactly the situation I am talking about. I am old and forgetful.
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I think it was @Mizzou and I think it was some version of "I'm going to burn your house down with you inside it" but I'm not 100% on either of those details
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Currie liked the idea and has taken for his own.
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I thought it was at OSU
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Is was at Missouri after he missed a free throw. Is it possible that he hit Chris Merriweather at OSU?
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it was at mizzou. not sure what he said but it also included the famous stare down. we were up like 7 w/under a min to play and abt to get another road w over a ranked team
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it was at mizzou. not sure what he said but it also included the famous stare down. we were up like 7 w/under a min to play and abt to get another road w over a ranked team
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Is was at Missouri after he missed a free throw. Is it possible that he hit Chris Merriweather at OSU?
That was also mizzo
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it was at mizzou. not sure what he said but it also included the famous stare down. we were up like 7 w/under a min to play and abt to get another road w over a ranked team
This was a top 10 Frank game moment. Can't believe this is also the beginning of the end of KSU basketball.
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
This. I sit directly across from there. It was not only seen, it was heard. I turned to my buddies and asked if I really heard that. They confirmed it. But the rant didn't stop there, as per usual. It seemed like it lasted a long time.
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
I know he called him a "rough ridin' pussy" in the locker room after the game, and refused to call him by his actual name for the rest of the season. Just called him different variations of Pussy at practices.
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
I know he called him a "rough ridin' pussy" in the locker room after the game, and refused to call him by his actual name for the rest of the season. Just called him different variations of Pussy at practices.
That wasn't limited to the locker room.
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
I know he called him a "rough ridin' pussy" in the locker room after the game, and refused to call him by his actual name for the rest of the season. Just called him different variations of Pussy at practices.
That wasn't limited to the locker room.
Yes, it was everywhere.
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I remember. Miss ft. Franking. Made second ft. Was it Missouri?
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
I know he called him a "rough ridin' pussy" in the locker room after the game, and refused to call him by his actual name for the rest of the season. Just called him different variations of Pussy at practices.
I feel like you probably have some good stories that need telling ITT.
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
I know he called him a "rough ridin' pussy" in the locker room after the game, and refused to call him by his actual name for the rest of the season. Just called him different variations of Pussy at practices.
What a piece of crap.
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I remember him clearly calling will a "Effing coward" after missing a FT
I know he called him a "rough ridin' pussy" in the locker room after the game, and refused to call him by his actual name for the rest of the season. Just called him different variations of Pussy at practices.
Just when i thought i couldn't love Frank more. :love:
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god damnit, I miss Frank so much.
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Frank definitely read gE! He stole a lot of content.
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And for some reason everyone and their mom got their panties in a bundle when it came out that Will and Will's Dad were mad and considering transferring? So what, Will and maybe a few other weaklings were going to transfer to the MVC. The level of morality policing surrounding Frank coming from our fanbase meant that he was probably going to leave with or without ADJC situation. This is all so frustrating.
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clevey, i suggest you let it all out :thumbs:
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god damnit, I miss Frank so much.
Me too :Lurk:
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I supervise a fair number of people, and am responsible myself for just under 400. At no time would it be appropriate for me to call any of them a coward nor use the expletives that Frank used regularly and publicly. I loved some of his fierceness, but he crossed lines too much for my taste.
Now, do I wish the team played with more fire? Absolutely. But there has to be a better way to motivate than just being vulgar with no real correction. And I use the f-word a ton personally. Just not with those under my charge.
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From what I gather the argument for KSU getting better and possibly even turning things around this season is two-fold:
1 - We beat Oklahoma State.
2 - We're young, so we can only get better.
JFC. Oklahoma State is not a good basketball team. Young players don't necessarily get any better. The rough ridin' third grade logic that serves to prop up oscar is alarming. A lot of Cats fans would've made good Nazis.
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And for some reason everyone and their mom got their panties in a bundle when it came out that Will and Will's Dad were mad and considering transferring? So what, Will and maybe a few other weaklings were going to transfer to the MVC. The level of morality policing surrounding Frank coming from our fanbase meant that he was probably going to leave with or without ADJC situation. This is all so frustrating.
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I supervise a fair number of people, and am responsible myself for just under 400. At no time would it be appropriate for me to call any of them a coward nor use the expletives that Frank used regularly and publicly. I loved some of his fierceness, but he crossed lines too much for my taste.
Now, do I wish the team played with more fire? Absolutely. But there has to be a better way to motivate than just being vulgar with no real correction. And I use the f-word a ton personally. Just not with those under my charge.
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Canazi.
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From what I gather the argument for KSU getting better and possibly even turning things around this season is two-fold:
1 - We beat Oklahoma State.
2 - We're young, so we can only get better.
JFC. Oklahoma State is not a good basketball team. Young players don't necessarily get any better. The rough ridin' third grade logic that serves to prop up oscar is alarming. A lot of Cats fans would've made good Nazis.
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And for some reason everyone and their mom got their panties in a bundle when it came out that Will and Will's Dad were mad and considering transferring? So what, Will and maybe a few other weaklings were going to transfer to the MVC. The level of morality policing surrounding Frank coming from our fanbase meant that he was probably going to leave with or without ADJC situation. This is all so frustrating.
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I supervise a fair number of people, and am responsible myself for just under 400. At no time would it be appropriate for me to call any of them a coward nor use the expletives that Frank used regularly and publicly. I loved some of his fierceness, but he crossed lines too much for my taste.
Now, do I wish the team played with more fire? Absolutely. But there has to be a better way to motivate than just being vulgar with no real correction. And I use the f-word a ton personally. Just not with those under my charge.
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Canazi.
Gotta love that.
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Frank has been reprimanded twice at USC and suspended at least once and been placed on double mega probation regarding his behavior towards players.
But yeah, Frankites think it's cool.
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double mega probation
:ohno:
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And for some reason everyone and their mom got their panties in a bundle when it came out that Will and Will's Dad were mad and considering transferring? So what, Will and maybe a few other weaklings were going to transfer to the MVC. The level of morality policing surrounding Frank coming from our fanbase meant that he was probably going to leave with or without ADJC situation. This is all so frustrating.
I think Semi hadn't signed yet buy not for sure.
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Frank has been reprimanded twice at USC and suspended at least once and been placed on double mega probation regarding his behavior towards players.
But yeah, Frankites think it's cool.
Fulcrum.
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Sounds like Frank needs to keep getting suspended. I mean, dog crap to #24 ranked in a couple yrs at what was probably the worst SEC bb job.
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double mega probation
:ohno:
I don't know what that is.
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
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dax, please tell me you read minutes from SC board meetings and stuff :love:
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what if dax is a triple mega secret agent on the board? :users:
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
Interesting that USC was able to work with Frank and improve his behavior without making him decide he'd rather coach at Florida International instead.
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dax, please tell me you read minutes from SC board meetings and stuff :love:
No, but a friend and former colleague's BFF sits on the board (of trustees, curators, whatever USC calls them).
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The great thing regarding the debate about where (OU/OSU/MU) Frank was inappropriate and abusive is that it was everywhere. You're all correct!
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
Interesting that USC was able to work with Frank and improve his behavior without making him decide he'd rather coach at Florida International instead.
I'm not defending K-State or Currie here, FYI.
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
Interesting that USC was able to work with Frank and improve his behavior without making him decide he'd rather coach at Florida International instead.
Yes, it's amazing when management(AD and coaches) can actually manage those under them rather than just kicking everyone out.
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Given the fact that he pretty much didn't change one little bit when he first got to USC and was suspended and reprimanded . . . it's an absolute huge leap of faith to think that Frank would have changed while at K-State.
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I just looked at the SEC standings to see if there might be another clue there as to why Frank is calmer, and I see A&M is ranked 5th in the country. How TF did that happen?
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DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!
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DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!
That's why I said it. Thanks! :thumbs:
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Given the fact that he pretty much didn't change one little bit when he first got to USC and was suspended and reprimanded . . . it's an absolute huge leap of fate to think that Frank would have changed while at K-State.
That's fixed!
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
Interesting that USC was able to work with Frank and improve his behavior without making him decide he'd rather coach at Florida International instead.
Do you honestly believe that Frank didn't have time to improve his behavior over the time he was here? As overly involved as ADJC is, do you really think Frank leaving was the result of a one-time incident in his last year?
And again, I am not against Frank. Just thought he continually crossed the line.
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Frank is doing a nice job, but its pretty amazing South Carolina is 20 games into their schedule and they haven't played a top 50 RPI team yet and only 1 top 50 kenpom team. And in a power 5 league.
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USC kenpom SOS 149, 4th lowest in the KPom Top50
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Frank Martin was a PURPLE bad person, and is the reason we have oscar. His filthy mouth act about got him fired from South Carolina. He was on the toilet waters of hell ready to be flushed. People who were trying of him were not pussies. Being a champion of profanity is not a good coach. Hugs and Delorme gave him the players that gave him success. His ability to recruit sucked. Currie chose the replacement coach who was the opposite of Martin, mild-mannered oscar
New coach who actually coaches instead of just cheerleads, I don't have a problem with this. It is time we quit idolizing a knothead.
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I've never been more disgusted with this board than after I read about how awesome people on here thought it was that Frank wouldn't call Will by his name for the remainder of the season, but instead called him some variation of coward and pussy. Like it really makes me sad.
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I've never been more disgusted with this board than after I read about how awesome people on here thought it was that Frank wouldn't call Will by his name for the remainder of the season, but instead called him some variation of coward and pussy. Like it really makes me sad.
Coming from people that like to anonymously @ people and piss about on the net. It's rich.
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Frank is doing a nice job, but its pretty amazing South Carolina is 20 games into their schedule and they haven't played a top 50 RPI team yet and only 1 top 50 kenpom team. And in a power 5 league.
similar to snyder v.1 when the ou and ut sucked ballzzzz
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I imagine Frank would love it if others in the conference weren't absolute crap shows.
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why?
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Good competition would be good for all. More exposure in media, more looks in the conf by next year's high talent, etc. Not that SEC has issue with that now, but they aren't the ACC.
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
Interesting that USC was able to work with Frank and improve his behavior without making him decide he'd rather coach at Florida International instead.
Do you honestly believe that Frank didn't have time to improve his behavior over the time he was here? As overly involved as ADJC is, do you really think Frank leaving was the result of a one-time incident in his last year?
And again, I am not against Frank. Just thought he continually crossed the line.
Well, Dax just said that Frank is a lot calmer these days. His behavior has changed. Clearly USC is doing something that KSU didn't do to help make that happen.
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Is was at Missouri after he missed a free throw. Is it possible that he hit Chris Merriweather at OSU?
That was also mizzo
yeah that was 2 years apt. merriwether was 2009/10 and the franking of sprads was 11/12 when angel and dob, dob'd on mizzou
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Some people just hate winning
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There's a reason Frank is a lot calmer these days, because his existence in the job he has right now depends on it. The board at USC has no more tolerance for any more of Frank's psycho bullshit.
Interesting that USC was able to work with Frank and improve his behavior without making him decide he'd rather coach at Florida International instead.
Do you honestly believe that Frank didn't have time to improve his behavior over the time he was here? As overly involved as ADJC is, do you really think Frank leaving was the result of a one-time incident in his last year?
And again, I am not against Frank. Just thought he continually crossed the line.
Well, Dax just said that Frank is a lot calmer these days. His behavior has changed. Clearly USC is doing something that KSU didn't do to help make that happen.
Or Frank is doing something different to make things better for himself.
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Good competition would be good for all. More exposure in media, more looks in the conf by next year's high talent, etc. Not that SEC has issue with that now, but they aren't the ACC.
nah. they're a p5 conference. frank gets and will continue to get pub especially as his team dominates the sec.
eff competition, how do you think ku has won 90 cc's in a row?
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Yeah, here's what USC did, "Frank, any more behavior like that (which involved suspensions and reprimands) and your fired". That was the extent of their "management" of the situation.
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So, Frank cannot coach? He's been successful at the high school level, in the Big XII, and in the SEC. Seems weird, considering the "he can't coach crowd" also argue that he can't recruit. With the success he's had you cannot have it both ways. Pick a side.
Supporting the idea that ADJC quit being a micro-managing prick and we try to maintain stability in a basketball program that hadn't had any since the 1980s, does not equal support for Frank continually berating Will (or whoever). All I think most Frankites are arguing is that the end was a case of a power struggle that wasn't necessary and could have been handled internally. The bottom line is Currie and Frank couldn't work together. One probably had to go, given the conditions. Pick a side.
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he's the best coach in America to never have reached a final four
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Yeah, here's what USC did, "Frank, any more behavior like that (which involved suspensions and reprimands) and your fired". That was the extent of their "management" of the situation.
Too bad we didn't try that.
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To be the best coach in America "to never reach the Final 4" typically means that over a nearly 10 year head coaching career you've added at least one trophy of significance to the trophy case. You also take a team lead by Mike Beasley and Bill Walker past the opening weekend of the NCAA tourney.
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Which coach that hasn't been to a final four is better than frank?
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Which coach that hasn't been to a final four is better than frank?
Sean Miller?
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Which coach that hasn't been to a final four is better than frank?
Sean Miller?
It appears you have bested me. I didn't realize Sean was 0/4 in elite 8
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If Frank stayed we wouldn't have Willie cauly, semi ojele or Perry Ellis.
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If Frank stayed we wouldn't have Willie cauly, semi ojele or Perry Ellis.
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lol
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I supervise a fair number of people, and am responsible myself for just under 400. At no time would it be appropriate for me to call any of them a coward nor use the expletives that Frank used regularly and publicly. I loved some of his fierceness, but he crossed lines too much for my taste.
Now, do I wish the team played with more fire? Absolutely. But there has to be a better way to motivate than just being vulgar with no real correction. And I use the f-word a ton personally. Just not with those under my charge.
doing whatever you do and coaching sports are probably not comparable as far as motivating people. unless you are in the military or something. I'm not a fan of being mean to someone just to be mean to them but some people respond to that and some don't. I don't know Will Spradling or Frank personally and don't know how they are motivated but I'm not going to judge a collegiate sports coach for yelling mean things to his own players as long as they have a track record of success and ultimately being respected by the players. I think Frank has both of those things (obviously not universally, but enough).
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yeah coaching basketball is not a real job. But I do think Frank was wrong about how he tried to motivate players in a lot of ways and could have been as effective without telling Will Spradling that he wanted to burn down Will's house with Will in it. But it worked and most of his players seemed to have genuine affection for him (even guys like Dom who he ran off)
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Pullen, Curtis Kelly, JO, Jamar, and other former players instead of coming to Manhattan in the offseason to work out, they are going to Colombia, SC to be with that mean guy that cussed a lot.
Why can't we get Myers Leonard to come to Manhattan is what i'm saying?
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I supervise a fair number of people, and am responsible myself for just under 400. At no time would it be appropriate for me to call any of them a coward nor use the expletives that Frank used regularly and publicly. I loved some of his fierceness, but he crossed lines too much for my taste.
Now, do I wish the team played with more fire? Absolutely. But there has to be a better way to motivate than just being vulgar with no real correction. And I use the f-word a ton personally. Just not with those under my charge.
doing whatever you do and coaching sports are probably not comparable as far as motivating people. unless you are in the military or something. I'm not a fan of being mean to someone just to be mean to them but some people respond to that and some don't. I don't know Will Spradling or Frank personally and don't know how they are motivated but I'm not going to judge a collegiate sports coach for yelling mean things to his own players as long as they have a track record of success and ultimately being respected by the players. I think Frank has both of those things (obviously not universally, but enough).
You are right about the careers being different. You have some valid points.
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I've never been more disgusted with this board than after I read about how awesome people on here thought it was that Frank wouldn't call Will by his name for the remainder of the season, but instead called him some variation of coward and pussy. Like it really makes me sad.
Coming from people that like to anonymously @ people and piss about on the net. It's rich.
Agreed SDK.
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Before the ou game were angel mysteriously didn't play. Frank got upset with 3 starters for playing pool at fast eds earlier in the week. Had them run stairs all practice throughout the week, including the walk through before the game. They struggled to walk on gameday, even with ivs. Never told the team why angel sat. Didn't tell angel either. Still love frank fwiw.
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I've never been more disgusted with this board than after I read about how awesome people on here thought it was that Frank wouldn't call Will by his name for the remainder of the season, but instead called him some variation of coward and pussy. Like it really makes me sad.
Coming from people that like to anonymously @ people and piss about on the net. It's rich.
Agreed SDK.
lol at this, you guys know snyder would make frank look like rough ridin' blues clues with some of the crap he has said to players