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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: renocat on January 22, 2016, 10:23:55 AM
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I am concerned by Claws downward development spiral. I have never seen oscar's ability to coach big players.
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No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.
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No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.
I could be way off base in my comparos, but he reminds me a lot of a taller Jamar for some reason.
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No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.
I could be way off base in my comparos, but he reminds me a lot of a taller Jamar for some reason.
Not bad, but I think Claws will be a way better shooter. Jamar was way more athletic.
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Was he?
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No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.
I could be way off base in my comparos, but he reminds me a lot of a taller Jamar for some reason.
I think that's a solid comparo.
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Jamar destroys Claws on the adorable scale.
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Was he?
I think so, but it's a really good comparison.
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Jamar destroys Claws on the adorable scale.
RAWP!
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DNR thread, but the answer to OP is yes. Claws needs development and oscar is not his guy for that.
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Last year he was playing maybe 2 quarters a night while destroying 2A competition. I'm not at all surprised that he's wearing down a bit, he has never been conditioned to play like this. That's the biggest problem with coming from a small KS school, but with his talent he'll be fine.
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My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.
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My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.
How many wide open looks did he have from the high post against Baylor's zone? He took 12 shots, most on the team in that game.
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Sourgrapefruit
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My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.
How many wide open looks did he have from the high post against Baylor's zone? He took 12 shots, most on the team in that game.
No, you're right. Went back and looked at the numbers, and he's shooting plenty. I must just mentally block out his misses or something, he really hasn't seemed that involved at all to me, but he is in fact getting plenty of shots up.
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He's Shawn Rhoads with a 3-point shot.
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He's Shawn Rhoads with a 3-point shot.
3PT shooting was the one thing Shawn Rhoads did best. Wade appears to be better at almost every other basketball related skill so far.
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He needs to sack up a little bit, especially on Defense and the boards. The generous interpretation is that the coaches told him to be careful about picking up fouls and he has taken it to too much to heart.
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My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.
even tho he is 0fer the conference season outside of the TT game I still want oscar to run a couple of sets that get him a 3 every game. The only chance we have of escaping low/medium status in the next 3 years is if Claws can space the floor, imo
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tougher competition is having an effect. (Like it is the whole team)
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3PT shooting was the one thing Shawn Rhoads did best. Wade appears to be better at almost every other basketball related skill so far.
G FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% A S B PTS REB
RHODES YR1 28 50 113 .442 40 84 .476 10 29 .345 24 37 .649 27 13 24 134 103
WADE YR1 18 65 152 .428 65 152 .428 12 46 .261 44 64 .688 16 11 11 186 110
Partial year 1 for Wade, but it's pretty much Rhodes with (at least belief in) a 3-point shot.
Damn I'm good!
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Wade is a much better rebounder and gets to the FT line much more. Rhoads was a better shower. I think Wade had more upside.
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They also both had really terrible coaches! Very similar!
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They also both had really terrible coaches! Very similar!
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oscar might be WCOAT at player development
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https://twitter.com/kstatesports/status/692046344848953344
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FWIW, per the "player improvement under oscar" argument...
From 2014 to 2015:
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From 2013 to 2014:
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2F15-16-Improvement-1-26-16.png&hash=3bb454be2f25b6a8791ad7d5d68ee3d21cc7a132)
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The freshman from two years ago regressed, no doubt. But outside of that year, the only other player I would say didn't see development under oscar was Big Gipp. Part of that is on the coach, but Gipp was the type of guy who was clearly done with physical development/growth after his freshman year.
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Lots of negative numbers the last two yrs and the positives seem pretty small.
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Can we start calling him Mose
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Can we start calling him Mose
I like it but you'll need reno's approval
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god dammit who is going to fix all my lineup cards?
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I am don't like his regression. What would he be like playing for.Marshall or Self? I see a transfer.
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I am don't like his regression. What would he be like playing for.Marshall or Self? I see a transfer.
No.
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Reno, you're high!
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Reno, you're high!
l have a cold and I am a grouchy bear. I am most concerned about claws missing free throws. We had the Mississippi State down by 18 and in part came back when Claws missed free throws. Claws was mean and confident at the start. Now he is scared. I am not sure love butt pats from oscar is what he needs nows.
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Well, I'm not a fan of Oscar, but he doesn't make Claws miss free throws. That crap is all mental.
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can someone link to the thread where the oscar name came from? tia
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I don't have a link but I believe Oscar is from Oscar Meyer, /oscar's/ meat related name from renovated be cause he is a wiener
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I'm not concerned about Wade at all. Maybe that he gets in foul trouble once in a while, but he'll learn and get better. He'll be a very good player here.
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I'm not concerned about Wade at all. Maybe that he gets in foul trouble once in a while, but he'll learn and get better. He'll be a very good player here.
i agree that he'll be v good if he sticks around, but it was a little concerning that budke looked way better than him today.
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Who is Oscar and why is Oscar?
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A better question is, what is Oscar?
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Wade needs to try harder.
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https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/693681415821471744
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/693682024851214336
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https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/693681415821471744
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/693682024851214336
Did you get oscar's cocktail napkin notes in the first half? Was pretty lol
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Did you get oscar's cocktail napkin notes in the first half? Was pretty lol
No, I tried to spot that and the 6-point possession while I was fast-forwarding through and didn't see either. Saw a separate 6-point run though.
I'll go back for this. Do remember if the notes were before or after?
13:14 8-16 Hopper Turnover.
13:04 Anthony Perez made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rasheed Brooks. 11-16
13:01 11-16 Foul on Hot Horndogs.
12:59 Stefan Moody made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rasheed Brooks. 14-16
12:36 14-16 Hopper Turnover.
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Did you get oscar's cocktail napkin notes in the first half? Was pretty lol
No, I tried to spot that and the 6-point possession while I was fast-forwarding through and didn't see either. Saw a separate 6-point run though.
I'll go back for this. Do remember if the notes were before or after?
13:14 8-16 Hopper Turnover.
13:04 Anthony Perez made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rasheed Brooks. 11-16
13:01 11-16 Foul on Hot Horndogs.
12:59 Stefan Moody made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rasheed Brooks. 14-16
12:36 14-16 Hopper Turnover.
Don't remember, I think after though
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Someone who is better at lipreading help me out, what is Weber saying there? "I'll learn your mouse clown"?
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Did you get oscar's cocktail napkin notes in the first half? Was pretty lol
No, I tried to spot that and the 6-point possession while I was fast-forwarding through and didn't see either. Saw a separate 6-point run though.
I'll go back for this. Do remember if the notes were before or after?
13:14 8-16 Hopper Turnover.
13:04 Anthony Perez made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rasheed Brooks. 11-16
13:01 11-16 Foul on Hot Horndogs.
12:59 Stefan Moody made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rasheed Brooks. 14-16
12:36 14-16 Hopper Turnover.
Don't remember, I think after though
https://youtu.be/peTrjMxw13Q
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Hahaha
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And an ominous sign for oscar just before that, OBz jotting down some handwritten notes.
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He ain't helping him. I challenge anyone to get to yell Uncle Dumas.
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I'm pretty sure if Claws transferred a large group of tucks would turn quickly.
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Welp
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Will ocsar help.Claws improve? Does he teach his players? I just.want.to see growth in our.players so I can hope. I really don't care about.wins, but I have to have hope.
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This program under oscar is doomed.
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Renosweets set me.straight. Yes there is hope.
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Most important/influential player in KSU hoops beside Beasley. Claws will determine the fate of this program.
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:frown:
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eff
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Wait, what?
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not 100% but there are (g)rumblings
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:runaway:
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These would be grumblings not rumblings
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Transferring?
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Claws transferring would be like the only thing that could happen in the next couple weeks that would cost oscar his job. You know, him being a K-State guy and all. Tucks would be out for blood. It's one thing when a black kid with a bad attitude transfers, but a white guy (good attitude implied) transferring? oscar must be a monster.
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It's oscar, this would not be known as rumblings or grumblings. This is bumblings.
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The fact that there are grumblings about this should get Oscar fired. I mean how the hell do you lose a kid from St. John, KS that has been K-state all his life.
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I'm hearing reports of rampant drug use
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Imagine the meltdown on a few boards if he transferred to Wichita State
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I'm hearing reports of rampant drug use
same
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Who ever made Claws shave his.beard should be reprimanded. He went to heck after this. Did curdog make him do it?
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Nothing you could tell me about kstate basketball could make me upset anymore.
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I'm hearing reports of rampant drug use
same
It's also not a coincidence that Lebron has been in the news.
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This is a terrible April Fool's joke IMO.
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Maybe he is transfering to Purple and Black
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i hope this is true and he's transferring and eff this program and eff weber. morning, guys. happy saturday.
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Oh whats that? The BTF burned down and we forgot to renew the insurance in March? Meh. DJamer sawed his leg off last night on accident? That's too bad.
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he was just identified by our a.d. as a kstate player. iowa is behind this.
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now we know why we needed so many wings, eh, sys? lol the levels of absurdism. can't even
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he was just identified by our a.d. as a kstate player. iowa is behind this.
this couldn't happen at a better time
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i'm not going to get my hopes up for mere rumblings.
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Maybe 'taterblast should give some more information on the (g)rumblings he's hearing?
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no g
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:pray:
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Yeah i changed my stance and these have been upgraded to rumblings
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Yeah i changed my stance and these have been upgraded to rumblings
could go either way depending on your stance on #bid
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one man's rumble is another man's grumble.
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Like dobber said though, with oscar it's always a bumble, regardless of rumble/grumble status.
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Who are we to question what's best for the people of St. John?
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I hear Claws is growing a beard. Thank goodness. Who ever made him shaved should have to have all of their body hair plucked out by a sadistic midget. He went to hell with facial nudity. Did hot horndog shave too.
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I hear Claws is growing a beard. Thank goodness. Who ever made him shaved should have to have all of their body hair plucked out by a sadistic midget. He went to hell with facial nudity. Did hot horndog shave too.
It almost sounds like oscar can't tell him what to do anymore.
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So we good now or what
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Oh whats that? The BTF burned down and we forgot to renew the insurance in March? Meh. DJamer sawed his leg off last night on accident? That's too bad.
phew, now we can build a BTF by Ahearn and play the games in there again. crazy how things work out.
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So we good now or what
Featured in this promo last week.
https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/718245907456790533
So we're good.
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Somewhere today I read Claws needs to rest to heal. I think it was in another thread. I thought is Occar Fud trying to ruin Claws for good. Anybody know'anything? I.can't think Daddy Wade is too pleased with things. Weber stays does Claws transfer?
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Metatarsal injury.
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That's longer bones in one's feet. Whereas metacarpals are in the hand.
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Claws needs to realize that if he is on the court and is afraid to shoot or post up strong he is a hindrance to anything the others try to do. He is sometimes like the kid that you don't guard or pay any attention to because he is no threat. It's too bad with his skill set that he doesn't come with energy and desire to contribute more (perception, not reality on my part) every single game from the start.
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no one is highly motivated on a bad foot. it's impossible.
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If Wade decided to transfer because of mishandling of injuries and we decided to keep oscar, man :popcorn:
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I mean, if this means Sneed plays more I can't complain. But I'm torn a bit, because we were playing our best when Wade was playing well. I guess it all depends on which agenda I truly believe in at this point.
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I'm confused.......Weber states today that Wade is almost 100%, so that means he is just playing awful and not really hurt?
But puffdad says on the other site he is a lot of pain and taking pain pills?
Who to believe......... :dunno:
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I mean, if this means Sneed plays more I can't complain. But I'm torn a bit, because we were playing our best when Wade was playing well. I guess it all depends on which agenda I truly believe in at this point.
if sneed had played more sooner we might still have Wade playing well
:dunno:
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I know its not super nice to say, but maybe Wade simply wasn't the dominant player many wanted to him to be in the first place.
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Start sneed sit Wade.
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I'm confused.......Weber states today that Wade is almost 100%, so that means he is just playing awful and not really hurt?
But puffdad says on the other site he is a lot of pain and taking pain pills?
Who to believe......... :dunno:
oscar is probably warming up the bus to run him over. I'd be willing to be Wade is next week's malingerer.
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I know its not super nice to say, but maybe Wade simply wasn't the dominant player many wanted to him to be in the first place.
That's the vibe I get
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Another player with foot issues
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As a team you can only shoot yourself in the foot so many times before it finally catches up to you.
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he literally has no metatarsals where one of his metatarsals should go. i don't understand why that's so hard to understand.
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he literally has no metatarsals where one of his metatarsals should go. i don't understand why that's so hard to understand.
What
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https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/827951792415600640
https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/827950711723945984
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it's gone, mir.
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How/why is it gone? Metatarsalectomy?
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it's gone, mir.
What?
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How/why is it gone? Metatarsalectomy?
Evolution
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claws didn't play for large chunks even tho he was effective and didn't have foul trouble. was this an extension of oscar's metatarsal protective services program?
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claws didn't play for large chunks even tho he was effective and didn't have foul trouble. was this an extension of oscar's metatarsal protective services program?
He played 31 minutes. :dunno:
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And had 4 fouls. Including that no contact gem on a motley uncontested dunk!
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This is the Wade I was hoping we'd see consistently. He just has to be a solid presence every time he is on the floor. I thought he had a good game.
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claws didn't play for large chunks even tho he was effective and didn't have foul trouble. was this an extension of oscar's metatarsal protective services program?
He played 31 minutes. :dunno:
i may have been influenced by my father yelling throughout the 2nd half, "what the eff is claws not playing?"
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claws didn't play for large chunks even tho he was effective and didn't have foul trouble. was this an extension of oscar's metatarsal protective services program?
He played 31 minutes. :dunno:
i may have been influenced by my father yelling throughout the 2nd half, "what the eff is claws not playing?"
Maybe your dad thinks Sneed is Claws
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claws didn't play for large chunks even tho he was effective and didn't have foul trouble. was this an extension of oscar's metatarsal protective services program?
He played 31 minutes. :dunno:
i may have been influenced by my father yelling throughout the 2nd half, "what the eff is claws not playing?"
Maybe your dad thinks Sneed is Claws
my dad also thinks that we should avoid running offense down the stretch if we have a lead and just let deathbite bomb away at the end of the shot clock. says it avoids wtf to's and oscar effing things up.
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This is the Wade I was hoping we'd see consistently. He just has to be a solid presence every time he is on the floor. I thought he had a good game.
We generally win when he plays well.
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Claws: "We shocked a lot of people that picked us to finish 9th in the Big 12. We showed a lot of people that we can play."
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"We're not shitty, we're just very mediocre! Showed you dorks!"
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"We're not shitty, we're just very mediocre! Showed you dorks!"
Lots of too-cool-for-schoolers in the burn unit after that atomic bomb that Wade dropped on us.
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it sounds like he's starting to believe in himself a little bit. very good news.
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He flipping sucks guys. I don't get why anyone thought he was worth a crap. A point guard who had his first career start played a bazillion times better than the oh so intimidating claws
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Flush scored so many because they were gang guardin Claws. He couldn't even scratch his butt without someone leaning against him. So who should be taking pressure off of Deanboy? It should be the post. The coaches are piss poor at coaching up bigs. Not only haven't they turned Dean into consistent Claws, they cannot get crap out of 5 post players; pitiful. Last year when DJamer was healthy, he and Dean were good as they dang near beat the Hawks.
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He flipping sucks guys. I don't get why anyone thought he was worth a crap. A point guard who had his first career start played a bazillion times better than the oh so intimidating claws
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Nice take.
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He flipping sucks guys. I don't get why anyone thought he was worth a crap. A point guard who had his first career start played a bazillion times better than the oh so intimidating claws
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That's your takeaway from tonight? The message board at KSO is perfect for you.
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He flipping sucks guys. I don't get why anyone thought he was worth a crap. A point guard who had his first career start played a bazillion times better than the oh so intimidating claws
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That's your takeaway from tonight? The message board at KSO is perfect for you.
Pretty mixed though. Some people there LOVE them some Dean.
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Weber said after the game we had three or four players that played sick tonight and watching in person, it certainly looked like Sneed and Claws were two of them.
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Weber said after the game we had three or four players that played sick tonight and watching in person, it certainly looked like Sneed and Claws were two of them.
This is gonna be rough if they don't get cleared up before AFH
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https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/951295026142748672
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Ruined
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Ruined
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Ruined