Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2016, 03:20:19 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2016, 03:27:28 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2016, 03:45:47 PM
Post by: Trim on January 04, 2016, 09:32:12 AM
rednecki al bundy
I'm still disappointed in myself that I messed up my bundy tweet yesterday.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 04, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2016, 01:00:35 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 04, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 04, 2016, 04:42:43 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2016, 04:54:44 PM
Is this thread about those nutjobs in Oregon?
I think so
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 04, 2016, 04:56:57 PM
Whatever happened to the Bundy thing in NV? Didn't the BLM back down or some crap?
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 04, 2016, 09:16:39 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2016, 09:27:17 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 04, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2016, 07:53:44 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 08:24:13 AM
Yes, the BLM did back down. Idiots.BLM should kill all the cows, because they're invasive species.
Post by: renocat on January 07, 2016, 08:27:34 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 08:41:27 AM
These guys have a point. This is land that was meant to be used for cattle, logging oil wells, wind farms, storage for border crossers, and missle ranges. The last would solve the bundy problem. Setting aside vast tracts of land to protect a flying cockroach thing is stupid. Presidents have been using their power for years to take land and make federal preserves and parks, even in Kansas. Often destroying local economies and culture.Please read up about these lands because you're mostly wrong.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 08:44:44 AM
These guys have a point. This is land that was meant to be used for cattle, logging oil wells, wind farms, storage for border crossers, and missle ranges. The last would solve the bundy problem. Setting aside vast tracts of land to protect a flying cockroach thing is stupid. Presidents have been using their power for years to take land and make federal preserves and parks, even in Kansas. Often destroying local economies and culture.
These guys have a small point but are completely rough ridin' it up and now no one will hear it. They are also mostly wrong. Do you even Taylor Grazing Act bro?
From the BLM website:
Quote
The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (43 USC 315), signed by President Roosevelt, was intended to "stop injury to the public grazing lands [excluding Alaska] by preventing overgrazing and soil deterioration; to provide for their orderly use, improvement, and development; [and] to stabilize the livestock industry dependent upon the public range" (USDI 1988). This Act was pre-empted by the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (FLPMA).
The land isn't there for the cattle, the cattle are there for the land. And it's our land, yours, mine, everyone in this country. Federal land in Utah doesn't belong to Utards, it belongs to all of us. There are ways the land can be used by private industry, (allegedly) not to the detriment of the land, and that incrementally benefits us by providing jobs and the fruits of which go to the govt in the form of taxes. But just because you use the land for your business doesn't make you an owner. You are a tenant.
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 08:52:09 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
The elder Bundy uses the land to graze his cattle, which is legal, but refuses to pay the fee to do so. Why isn't he prosecuted, etc. If I failed to pay the govt over $1M, the govt would have a different response. If BLM didn't eff that one up, this one probably wouldn't have happened.
BLM coming after him is what caused the standoff. If they were smart as soon as the idiots left they should have seized all the cattle. But you're right they emboldened these domestic terrorists.
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 09:07:40 AM
These guys have a point. This is land that was meant to be used for cattle, logging oil wells, wind farms, storage for border crossers, and missle ranges. The last would solve the bundy problem. Setting aside vast tracts of land to protect a flying cockroach thing is stupid. Presidents have been using their power for years to take land and make federal preserves and parks, even in Kansas. Often destroying local economies and culture.
These guys have a small point but are completely rough ridin' it up and now no one will hear it. They are also mostly wrong. Do you even Taylor Grazing Act bro?
From the BLM website:QuoteThe Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (43 USC 315), signed by President Roosevelt, was intended to "stop injury to the public grazing lands [excluding Alaska] by preventing overgrazing and soil deterioration; to provide for their orderly use, improvement, and development; [and] to stabilize the livestock industry dependent upon the public range" (USDI 1988). This Act was pre-empted by the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (FLPMA).
The land isn't there for the cattle, the cattle are there for the land. And it's our land, yours, mine, everyone in this country. Federal land in Utah doesn't belong to Utards, it belongs to all of us. There are ways the land can be used by private industry, (allegedly) not to the detriment of the land, and that incrementally benefits us by providing jobs and the fruits of which go to the govt in the form of taxes. But just because you use the land for your business doesn't make you an owner. You are a tenant.
:thumbs:
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 09:11:50 AM
The elder Bundy uses the land to graze his cattle, which is legal, but refuses to pay the fee to do so. Why isn't he prosecuted, etc. If I failed to pay the govt over $1M, the govt would have a different response. If BLM didn't eff that one up, this one probably wouldn't have happened.
BLM coming after him is what caused the standoff. If they were smart as soon as the idiots left they should have seized all the cattle. But you're right they emboldened these domestic terrorists.
The govt's lack of follow up afterward is what is causing the problem. They should def seize his cattle, and if that doesn't cover the fees, they should seize part of his land. These ppl say they just want to follow the law, but they are financially rough ridin' us all(granted in a small way) from what is legally due.
What would happen if any of us refused to pay our taxes with a threat of violence/gun in hand on fed property?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2016, 09:12:59 AM
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 09:16:36 AM
Unless there is just a whole fridge full of food inside that government building, these terrorists have to be getting pretty hungry. This should all be over soon.
Supposedly they are requesting food because they didn't bring much.
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
Unless there is just a whole fridge full of food inside that government building, these terrorists have to be getting pretty hungry. This should all be over soon.
Supposedly they are requesting food because they didn't bring much.
Well, if the government allows food to enter that building then I hope they lose this thing in the end. That would be incredibly stupid.
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 09:23:15 AM
The elder Bundy uses the land to graze his cattle, which is legal, but refuses to pay the fee to do so. Why isn't he prosecuted, etc. If I failed to pay the govt over $1M, the govt would have a different response. If BLM didn't eff that one up, this one probably wouldn't have happened.
BLM coming after him is what caused the standoff. If they were smart as soon as the idiots left they should have seized all the cattle. But you're right they emboldened these domestic terrorists.
The govt's lack of follow up afterward is what is causing the problem. They should def seize his cattle, and if that doesn't cover the fees, they should seize part of his land. These ppl say they just want to follow the law, but they are financially rough ridin' us all(granted in a small way) from what is legally due.
What would happen if any of us refused to pay our taxes with a threat of violence/gun in hand on fed property?
I think we all agree they are screwing over the public good, and that their entire argument is centered on dubious self centered motives. It's also pretty clear the fed is trying to avoid an escalation in violence and the potential situation of creating martyrs. Lets remember that DHS listed these fuckers as a bigger threat than Islamic terrorists for the homeland for a reason.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 07, 2016, 10:07:27 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 10:08:22 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
The elder Bundy uses the land to graze his cattle, which is legal, but refuses to pay the fee to do so. Why isn't he prosecuted, etc. If I failed to pay the govt over $1M, the govt would have a different response. If BLM didn't eff that one up, this one probably wouldn't have happened.
I've sort of lost touch with this issue but the govt should have sought a judgement against the farm and then seized the cattle and his land/house and auctioned off. Years went by with fees racking up an no action in the courts or by the IRS or anyone like that. I'm sure Bundy thought he'd never be confronted with this. Then he was and the fees had added up to some ridiculous sum and he was forced to dig in his heels because he couldn't pay it.
One thing that is often overlooked is the local BLM agents are usually from the community and are friends or relatives of the people who have the grazing rights. So the terms of the grazing rights are not enforced as they should be. Additionally, the terms of the lease are very stupidly written. They are in 10 year blocks and, for example, allow grazing of X head of cattle on a piece of ground between Y and Z months (some are specific of the terms, some are limited to cattle*months). That's in wet and dry years, same amount of cattle or cattle*months. I've seen moonscapes of BLM ground because it was overgrazed in a dry year, and I've seen BLM so thick it was actually a detriment to the native fauna; it needed MORE cattle. An overhaul of the administration of the grazing leases is sorely needed.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2016, 10:14:03 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 10:29:55 AM
The elder Bundy uses the land to graze his cattle, which is legal, but refuses to pay the fee to do so. Why isn't he prosecuted, etc. If I failed to pay the govt over $1M, the govt would have a different response. If BLM didn't eff that one up, this one probably wouldn't have happened.
I've sort of lost touch with this issue but the govt should have sought a judgement against the farm and then seized the cattle and his land/house and auctioned off. Years went by with fees racking up an no action in the courts or by the IRS or anyone like that. I'm sure Bundy thought he'd never be confronted with this. Then he was and the fees had added up to some ridiculous sum and he was forced to dig in his heels because he couldn't pay it.
One thing that is often overlooked is the local BLM agents are usually from the community and are friends or relatives of the people who have the grazing rights. So the terms of the grazing rights are not enforced as they should be. Additionally, the terms of the lease are very stupidly written. They are in 10 year blocks and, for example, allow grazing of X head of cattle on a piece of ground between Y and Z months (some are specific of the terms, some are limited to cattle*months). That's in wet and dry years, same amount of cattle or cattle*months. I've seen moonscapes of BLM ground because it was overgrazed in a dry year, and I've seen BLM so thick it was actually a detriment to the native fauna; it needed MORE cattle. An overhaul of the administration of the grazing leases is sorely needed.
He could have paid the fees with the over $500k subsidized loan he got from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
I'm not keeping up with this... did the protesters request snacks be sent to them?kinda, yeah.
Also when they got into town they bought food and ammo but the shop owner felt sorry for them and packed them some chilli.
Post by: renocat on January 07, 2016, 10:48:54 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2016, 10:50:38 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 10:54:11 AM
Why in the hell should they have to pay to use the land? If I want to crap in the wilderness I don't pay anyone. Cows don't hurt a thing. These guys know they will be out of business if they over graze their range. This is just a big federal money grab. Why is the water under my land owned by Kansas? Same damn principles. Public good - horseshit.
Because we've never had an agricultural collapse before because of selfish, bad principled, agricultural work.....
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 10:57:01 AM
Why in the hell should they have to pay to use the land? If I want to crap in the wilderness I don't pay anyone. Cows don't hurt a thing. These guys know they will be out of business if they over graze their range. This is just a big federal money grab. Why is the water under my land owned by Kansas? Same damn principles. Public good - horseshit.
I feel the same way about trees. I intend to begin a timber harvest (free of charge of course) this spring.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
Why in the hell should they have to pay to use the land? If I want to crap in the wilderness I don't pay anyone. Cows don't hurt a thing. These guys know they will be out of business if they over graze their range. This is just a big federal money grab. Why is the water under my land owned by Kansas? Same damn principles. Public good - horseshit.
renocat, don't be dumber than usual here.
Post by: renocat on January 07, 2016, 11:22:02 AM
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
Cows don't kill people. It's the people who misuse them.
Everyone should be carrying a cow. If kids were trained to rush ppl carrying cows as they enter the classroom, it would minimize the fallout of mass cow'ings in public schools.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2016, 11:48:29 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 11:53:27 AM
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
How unorganized. Super losery.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 12:09:11 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on January 07, 2016, 12:15:06 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 07, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
I haven't read a single article about this. Someone give me a really good cliff notes version of the 5 W's of this.
Who? - Butthurt dumbass ranchers
What? - Butthurt dumbass ranchers protesting land usage
Where? - Wildlife Birdwatching Federal property in Oregon
When? Since like last week
Why? - For being dumbasses
or read this that someone posted earlier.
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/what-you-need-know-about-oregon-militia-standoff-52111
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
I can't believe that half of these dumbasses aren't preppers who have planned for this scenario for years. Like, I imagine them all climbing into their trucks after their rally, setting their GPS to the fed bldg, hitting their eldest son up on the CB, and telling him to get the prepped RV with the fuel tank trailer and meet him there STAT!
How unorganized. Super losery.
funny story.....
they rallied up at the local Safeway grocery store
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/12/militiamen_ranchers_in_showdow.html
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
I haven't read a single article about this. Someone give me a really good cliff notes version of the 5 W's of this.
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/04/461878745/armed-ranchers-in-oregon-take-over-wildlife-refuge-building
https://hereandnow.wbur.org/2016/01/05/burns-oregon-armed-group
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 01:43:16 PM
they also only recognize the local sheriff as the only legitimate law enforcement
the local sheriff has asked them to leave
response: the sheriff doesn't speak for the community
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2016, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
Non LEO people in the community have been pretty vocal about wanting them to gtfoeven the rough ridin' ranchers going to jail want them gone
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2016, 02:23:39 PM
Those guys seem to get a lot of time off work
You push cows through a gate onto free land and then just netflix and chill for a few months I think. Ranching is ez-mode
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 02:24:14 PM
Those guys seem to get a lot of time off workI mean we've all seen this.....
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/04/patriot-cant-wait-to-go-fight-gubmint-with-oregon-militia-just-needs-welfare-check-first/
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 02:34:27 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 02:50:08 PM
Unless I missed it, that article didn't mention Ammon Bundy getting a half of a million dollar gubment loan. They asked him about it during one of the press conferences and he hit them with a Redd from Friday "Oh that was different"
holy crap I hadn't caught this...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/index.html
Bundy denied he was being hypocritical about the loan because it "was an effort in assisting the people in using their rights."
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2016, 03:12:50 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It's because they are idiots.
Post by: ednksu on January 07, 2016, 03:18:20 PM
or because it's the dad who owes the moneyWhy in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It's because they are idiots.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 04:08:33 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 04:14:43 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 04:29:54 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope, the third leg of redneck biz(other than ranching and guns), a truck maint company.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 04:31:55 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope, the third leg of redneck biz(other than ranching and guns), a truck maint company.
I mean, c'mon. This is the same government that we want doing checks to see if we are or not letting terrorists into our country?
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2016, 04:33:06 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope, the third leg of redneck biz(other than ranching and guns), a truck maint company.
I mean, c'mon. This is the same government that we want doing checks to see if we are or not letting terrorists into our country?
Again, this was the son's biz and the son's loan. All before the son decided that he could do whatevs he felt like along with a bunch of other unprepared losers.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 04:35:47 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope, the third leg of redneck biz(other than ranching and guns), a truck maint company.
I mean, c'mon. This is the same government that we want doing checks to see if we are or not letting terrorists into our country?
Again, this was the son's biz and the son's loan. All before the son decided that he could do whatevs he felt like along with a bunch of other unprepared losers.
If the loan was made to the son but it was the dad that owed the grazing fees, then why is ol' Dugout so enraged?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope. Some sham business that fixed trucks.
You cannot make this grifter into a hero.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope, the third leg of redneck biz(other than ranching and guns), a truck maint company.
I mean, c'mon. This is the same government that we want doing checks to see if we are or not letting terrorists into our country?
Again, this was the son's biz and the son's loan. All before the son decided that he could do whatevs he felt like along with a bunch of other unprepared losers.
If the loan was made to the son but it was the dad that owed the grazing fees, then why is ol' Dugout so enraged?
Because the son is also some phony patriot who wants the gov out of his business (except when he wants to have taxpayers subsidize below market loans to him)
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 04:39:59 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope. Some sham business that fixed trucks.
You cannot make this grifter into a hero.
I'm staunchly against both of these whack job "revolts" or whatever but goddamnit the government certainly contributed to all this mess.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 07, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
This should really merge with the thread about a generation being bitchy and unable to accept any outcome they don't like.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2016, 04:51:32 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 04:53:43 PM
Why in the eff would the federal government give a half a million dollar loan to someone who owed them a million dollars? My eff people.
It was a loan to the business
The same business that was leasing the grazing rights?
Nope, the third leg of redneck biz(other than ranching and guns), a truck maint company.
I mean, c'mon. This is the same government that we want doing checks to see if we are or not letting terrorists into our country?
Again, this was the son's biz and the son's loan. All before the son decided that he could do whatevs he felt like along with a bunch of other unprepared losers.
If the loan was made to the son but it was the dad that owed the grazing fees, then why is ol' Dugout so enraged?
Because the son is also some phony patriot who wants the gov out of his business (except when he wants to have taxpayers subsidize below market loans to him)
I get you now.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 07, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 07:04:09 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2016, 09:15:10 AM
Nothing says Live Free of Die like binging in a hotel off of handouts
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 09:25:05 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 08, 2016, 09:36:50 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 08, 2016, 09:37:41 AM
Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
Post by: ednksu on January 08, 2016, 09:42:24 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2016, 09:44:28 AM
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv249/thekansascitykid/cartman3_zps5uzyyhdk.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/thekansascitykid/media/cartman3_zps5uzyyhdk.jpg.html)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
Do you guys think the Bundys get together and do a post mortem on these things? Put together a lessons learned list? Get a little better every siege?
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 08, 2016, 09:47:57 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
Post by: ednksu on January 08, 2016, 09:49:39 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
I don't think we'll see quite as much. The mere existence of Obama's administration is a driving cause. I don't think Hil Rod gets this much emotion from these idiots.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2016, 09:50:54 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
Odds that very soon one these ends up with one derelict shooting another and gov doesn't lift a finger?
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
Not worried. We can just set up a Wiley Coyote level trap(complete with box held up by stick,stick tied to a rope, beer under box) and catch these guys no prob.
(http://i.imgur.com/baM5UPG.jpeg)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 08, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
http://usuncut.com/news/oregon-standoff-member-caught-drinking-donation-money/
Nothing says Live Free of Die like binging in a hotel off of handouts
Why are these people being allowed to leave the building and then come back?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2016, 09:58:01 AM
http://usuncut.com/news/oregon-standoff-member-caught-drinking-donation-money/
Nothing says Live Free of Die like binging in a hotel off of handouts
Why are these people being allowed to leave the building and then come back?
I thought that was kind of odd too.
BLM Agent: Where you off to Burt?
Loser Burt: headed into town to get trashed on schnapps, eat at the waffle house and pan handle for some change on the corner. I might get a Roku too, the fellas want to watch Making a Murderer.
BLM Agent: I'd go Google Chromecast instead. Get me a Big Gulp please, here is a $5, keep the change
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 08, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
Odds that very soon one these ends up with one derelict shooting another and gov doesn't lift a finger?
I don't know, probably pretty low. I am surprised at the lack of violent conflict so far in either instance.
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 11:36:17 AM
http://usuncut.com/news/oregon-standoff-member-caught-drinking-donation-money/
Nothing says Live Free of Die like binging in a hotel off of handouts
Why are these people being allowed to leave the building and then come back?
my guess is because absolutely no one needs that building for anything. It's not like they're selling iphones there or something.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
Odds that very soon one these ends up with one derelict shooting another and gov doesn't lift a finger?
I don't know, probably pretty low. I am surprised at the lack of violent conflict so far in either instance.
I meant shoot each other because they are blackout drunk.
Post by: renocat on January 10, 2016, 03:20:18 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 10, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
Post by: CNS on January 10, 2016, 03:36:51 PM
Post by: renocat on January 10, 2016, 03:41:58 PM
Who has the fed government taken land from?Indians. Escalante National Thinger in Utah.
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2016, 03:44:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 10, 2016, 04:46:51 PM
Who has the fed government taken land from?Indians. Escalante National Thinger in Utah.
so no one related to this terrorism group?
Post by: renocat on January 10, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2016, 07:03:37 AM
Post by: CNS on January 11, 2016, 08:47:40 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 11, 2016, 08:52:11 AM
Better this than Wako [sic] or Ruby Ridge.Man Obama is playing this perfectly letting them self-destruct.
Really mumped up the first one.
He's just passing the buck to the next president to deal with. Albeit in the first instance it should have been dealt with a long time ago. Anyway, I think these guys are only emboldened and we'll see more of this stuff. And they'll have enough snacks next time.
Odds that very soon one these ends up with one derelict shooting another and gov doesn't lift a finger?
I don't know, probably pretty low. I am surprised at the lack of violent conflict so far in either instance.
I meant shoot each other because they are blackout drunk.
Pretty low.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 11, 2016, 08:55:52 AM
Malheur Wildlife Refuge was established in 1908 and had about 80,000 acres. Today it is 188,000 acres. Grazing rights have been diminished in the name of expanding critter habitat. Locals though out the west are upset on the prioritization of what public landa are used for and how used. Obama recently denied the use fracing on federal land, many argue this was a butt sniff to appease rabid environmentalists. Management of lands should be shielded from politics.
Why should the opinions of locals take precedence over the opinions of anyone else? It's federal land. And anyway, locals opinions are fractured, too. Not every local just wants to turn loose a million cows and graze it to the nub.
If you're confused as to the purpose of this land I suggest doing some research. The BLM has quite a bit of information on their website.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2016, 09:04:17 AM
Post by: CNS on January 11, 2016, 09:37:23 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 11, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2016, 11:17:16 AM
Post by: renocat on January 11, 2016, 09:30:01 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 11, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 12, 2016, 08:52:34 AM
The American public gives zero fucks about some clan of hill billies holing up in some remote outpost in the middle of nowhere. The American public, likewise, gives zero fucks about what the BLM does with their millions of acres of land. Ya'll have somehow identified an issue that effects the fewest amount of people possible.
Selected? admit it, you had at least 6 drinks before posting that.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 12, 2016, 10:04:10 AM
The American public gives zero fucks about some clan of hill billies holing up in some remote outpost in the middle of nowhere. The American public, likewise, gives zero fucks about what the BLM does with their millions of acres of land. Ya'll have somehow identified an issue that effects the fewest amount of people possible.
affects
Anyway, the feds own like 80% of the land in Nevada. That seems like a lot to me. The amount of tourism generated by these federal lands is significant in most of the western states.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 12, 2016, 10:34:08 AM
The American public gives zero fucks about some clan of hill billies holing up in some remote outpost in the middle of nowhere. The American public, likewise, gives zero fucks about what the BLM does with their millions of acres of land. Ya'll have somehow identified an issue that effects the fewest amount of people possible.
affects
Anyway, the feds own like 80% of the land in Nevada. That seems like a lot to me. The amount of tourism generated by these federal lands is significant in most of the western states.
Give the land to Nevada and watch them go broke trying to take care of it
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 12, 2016, 11:35:12 AM
The American public gives zero fucks about some clan of hill billies holing up in some remote outpost in the middle of nowhere. The American public, likewise, gives zero fucks about what the BLM does with their millions of acres of land. Ya'll have somehow identified an issue that effects the fewest amount of people possible.
affects
Anyway, the feds own like 80% of the land in Nevada. That seems like a lot to me. The amount of tourism generated by these federal lands is significant in most of the western states.
Give the land to Nevada and watch them go broke trying to take care of it
No because that is exactly what will happen. Which might have been your point. Was it?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 12, 2016, 11:39:44 AM
The American public gives zero fucks about some clan of hill billies holing up in some remote outpost in the middle of nowhere. The American public, likewise, gives zero fucks about what the BLM does with their millions of acres of land. Ya'll have somehow identified an issue that effects the fewest amount of people possible.
affects
Anyway, the feds own like 80% of the land in Nevada. That seems like a lot to me. The amount of tourism generated by these federal lands is significant in most of the western states.
Give the land to Nevada and watch them go broke trying to take care of it
No because that is exactly what will happen. Which might have been your point. Was it?
Yes it was.
I think the reason this is kind of fascinating to me is how these guys are literally wrong about everything they say. And also getting hammered on donation money, taking Federal handouts etc. I bet they are buying a crap ton of Powerball tickets too
Post by: cfbandyman on January 12, 2016, 12:02:18 PM
The American public gives zero fucks about some clan of hill billies holing up in some remote outpost in the middle of nowhere. The American public, likewise, gives zero fucks about what the BLM does with their millions of acres of land. Ya'll have somehow identified an issue that effects the fewest amount of people possible.
affects
Anyway, the feds own like 80% of the land in Nevada. That seems like a lot to me. The amount of tourism generated by these federal lands is significant in most of the western states.
Give the land to Nevada and watch them go broke trying to take care of it
No because that is exactly what will happen. Which might have been your point. Was it?
Yes it was.
I think the reason this is kind of fascinating to me is how these guys are literally wrong about everything they say. And also getting hammered on donation money, taking Federal handouts etc. I bet they are buying a crap ton of Powerball tickets too
That's what I love about this story too. It's like riding a rollercoaster of blowjobs. The fun never ends.
Post by: steve dave on January 12, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
http://gawker.com/drama-alert-the-oregon-militia-boys-are-beefing-like-i-1751917762
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 12, 2016, 01:48:08 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2016, 10:30:30 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 12, 2016, 10:37:05 PM
You guys should check out those real house wives show or monster truck rallies if you think laughing at white trash is fascinating.
I get enough of it listening to regresocon radio
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2016, 11:01:53 PM
You guys should check out those real house wives show or monster truck rallies if you think laughing at white trash is fascinating.
I get enough of it listening to regresocon radio
Fascinating
Post by: ednksu on January 12, 2016, 11:57:16 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 08:03:07 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
Post by: CNS on January 13, 2016, 09:45:13 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on January 13, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
Post by: CNS on January 13, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 13, 2016, 11:56:40 AM
You guys should check out those real house wives show or monster truck rallies if you think laughing at white trash is fascinating.
When Lisa Rinna loads up a bushmaster and takes over the Brentwood post office I will. And so will you
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 01:02:39 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/oregon-militiamen-prepare-for-grand-jury-against-local-officials
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 13, 2016, 01:28:15 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 01:33:36 PM
they're putting the whole system on trial :lol:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/oregon-militiamen-prepare-for-grand-jury-against-local-officials
You think they have random clips from Law Abiding Citizen playing on loop?
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
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BILLINGS, Mont.—Government agencies aim to kill or remove up to 900 wild bison from Yellowstone National Park this winter as part of a continuing effort to reduce the animals’ annual migration into Montana by driving down their population.
Park officials on Tuesday released details of plans for at least 600 to 900 bison to be killed by hunters or captured and sent to slaughter. That potentially would be the most in one winter since 2008, and it represents more than 18% of the current population of about 4,900 animals.
Bison migrate annually from the high country of Yellowstone to their historical winter grazing grounds at lower elevations in Montana. Since the 1980s, worry over the animal disease brucellosis has prompted the killing of about 8,200 park bison.
Yellowstone Superintendent Dan Wenk said in a statement that the National Park Service was uncomfortable with the practice and interested in alternatives, such as sending disease-free animals to other public, private or tribal lands.
“The park would gladly reduce the frequency and magnitude of these operations if migrating bison had access to more habitat outside the park or there was a way to transfer live bison elsewhere,” Wenk said.
Two weeks ago, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock approved a plan that for the first time would allow hundreds of bison to roam year-round on about 400 square miles of primarily public lands just west of Yellowstone. The proposal must be agreed to by the park, other federal agencies and American Indian tribes before it can go into effect.
Whether that will happen this winter is uncertain. But even if it did, it is expected to have little impact on the hunts and slaughters planned for this winter. Most of the population growth has been within herds that migrate into the Gardiner Basin north of the park, not on the west side where Bullock wants more tolerance for the animals.
“The governor’s decision wouldn’t change the number of animals, the goal of what we’re trying to take this year,” said Sam Sheppard with Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks. Reaching that goal is dependent on the severity of the winter. In mild years, fewer bison leave the park to graze in Montana, Sheppard added.
Under a 2000 agreement between federal agencies and Montana officials, the capture and slaughter of bison has become a regular occurrence. The practice is the subject of harsh criticism from wildlife advocates and members of Congress. A record 1,737 bison were removed from Yellowstone in 2008.
In the past few years, officials have put more emphasis on hunting just outside the park’s boundaries, including by members of American Indian tribes that have treaty rights to harvest the animals.
Last winter saw the removal of 737 bison. That included 219 killed by hunters, 511 sent to slaughter or shot by government wildlife agents, and seven transferred into a government research program.
Despite such efforts, the park’s herds remain at near-record levels.
Unlike most bison in the U.S., Yellowstone’s herds are considered genetically pure, making them prized among biologists and the throngs of tourists who come to the park hoping to see one of the animals up-close.
Some ranchers, landowners and elected officials in Montana have a more negative view. That is because of brucellosis and the potential for bison to compete with cattle for grazing space on public lands outside the park.
Roughly half of the park’s bison test positive for exposure to the disease. However, there have been no recorded brucellosis transmissions from bison to cattle.
Copyright 2016 the Associated Press.
So yeah, this is why ranchers want public land. Socialize the costs, but keep the profits.
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 02:05:35 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 13, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
If they issued more tags, including landowner tags, the ranchers could sell those tags for a lot of money and therefore have an insurance policy on their cattle. Those 500 tags could bring $500k to the state, and probably another couple million to local economies in the form of trespass fees, guides, etc.
Post by: Gooch on January 13, 2016, 02:14:13 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 02:17:29 PM
I'm familiar with the bison issue. If the feds guaranteed to replace any cattle lost to brucellosis it might help. Although they did the same thing with cows lost to wolves and that hasn't exactly panned out.
If they issued more tags, including landowner tags, the ranchers could sell those tags for a lot of money and therefore have an insurance policy on their cattle. Those 500 tags could bring $500k to the state, and probably another couple million to local economies in the form of trespass fees, guides, etc.
I guess my problem is that ranchers are placing all their issues on the disease component when it's really a grazing issue. We first need document cases of disease transfer before we can worry about it. We've had these animals living in close proximity for some time and it's not an issue. It's a smoke screen for people who want to abuse the land. This kind of debate also shows the government is more than responsive to rancher's issues and the use of public land for private commercial purposes. For me this is more evidence of how good ranchers have it and how little they respect the land and the public's property.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 13, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 02:28:09 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 13, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
Some of those people are indeed against it and for one of the reasons you mentioned. But that's very few people compared to the whole that are offering an opinion.
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 03:03:41 PM
Lots of people are either for or against or indifferent for lots of reasons.
Some of those people are indeed against it and for one of the reasons you mentioned. But that's very few people compared to the whole that are offering an opinion.
well we have to go off what these people claim are their reasons for rejecting BLM/.gov management of public lands. The issue is that at nearly every turn their examples are fraught with issues. This one, the stated issue are disease and competition. Well the disease issue has never happened (per other sources I've read, but that might be wrong if you know otherwise) so we are left with competition. These people don't see Bison as a revenue source so they have little use for the animals. Take other issues where people complain about an unresponsive government but we have many examples where the needs of the public/animals/native claims to land are balanced against their cattle needs and a compromise is met. Yet these people continue to claim they have been wrong. Instead of acting like adults these anti-government protesters act more like spoiled kids who didn't get their way.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 13, 2016, 03:39:42 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 13, 2016, 03:59:15 PM
Lots of people are either for or against or indifferent for lots of reasons.
Some of those people are indeed against it and for one of the reasons you mentioned. But that's very few people compared to the whole that are offering an opinion.
well we have to go off what these people claim are their reasons for rejecting BLM/.gov management of public lands. The issue is that at nearly every turn their examples are fraught with issues. This one, the stated issue are disease and competition. Well the disease issue has never happened (per other sources I've read, but that might be wrong if you know otherwise) so we are left with competition. These people don't see Bison as a revenue source so they have little use for the animals. Take other issues where people complain about an unresponsive government but we have many examples where the needs of the public/animals/native claims to land are balanced against their cattle needs and a compromise is met. Yet these people continue to claim they have been wrong. Instead of acting like adults these anti-government protesters act more like spoiled kids who didn't get their way.
You're only referencing some of what very few of the people are saying. Go research how many leases are affected by this. It's not many at all, a handful.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 13, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 01:00:19 PM
If it is, that is the most lol'y thing in a while. First media coverage, then dildos, then no one even knows.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2016, 01:05:04 PM
"objection!'
"order in the court!"
*bangs a hammer that pretends is a gavel*
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 01:08:06 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2016, 01:14:15 PM
I could not be happier if there was some reality doc that came out of this. Preferably created, edited, and scored by YallQaeda themselves.
That is basically what I am saying. I would focus on the guy who raised funds for being some militia then left the bird sanctuary (LOL) to get super blacked out at a local La Quinta.
also, the dude who lied about being in the Marines seems fun too
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 26, 2016, 01:15:05 PM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 01:22:56 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 26, 2016, 01:29:59 PM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
Bulldozer Rodeo sounds like a pretty good episode name
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 26, 2016, 01:32:33 PM
A must read, IMO. :lol:
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It appears militants moved rocks from an existing gravel pile in the compound to surface the road.
“It was just a goat trail before,” one militant told OPB, who also declined to provide his name. “People were slipping and falling.”
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 01:52:31 PM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 02:04:10 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2016, 02:04:41 PM
They built an asphalt road too, Emo types were pretty mad about that (all using County equipment and resources)
All the government has to do to get these guys to leave is cut the power to the building and stop mail from entering. Really, they deserve to have their things stolen at this point.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 02:04:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 02:06:57 PM
County won't turn off power because pipes will freeze and dmg building
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
They also torn down a video camera off a power pole owned by the electric company
County won't turn off power because pipes will freeze and dmg building
Water can be turned off too, btw. Also, they shouldn't do either. The should pump showtunes and something that smells super bad into the area, though. Maybe provide them with food, but nothing that isn't inside a HotPocket. Either their ears, noses, or bowels would betray them shortly.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 26, 2016, 02:19:01 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2016, 02:30:39 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 26, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
The govt won't do a damn thing, and that's a shame.extremists have shown in the past an ability to act with logic and reason.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 26, 2016, 02:34:27 PM
The govt won't do a damn thing, and that's a shame.extremists have shown in the past an ability to act with logic and reason.
You lost me bud.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2016, 02:54:59 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article56634323.html
Post by: ednksu on January 26, 2016, 04:31:08 PM
The govt won't do a damn thing, and that's a shame.extremists have shown in the past an ability to act with logic and reason.
You lost me bud.
Bad sarcasm on my part. Part of the issue is that they are trying to avoid another Ruby Ridge (obvs) where these guys acted first and killed US Marshals. And admittedly extremists from the FBI didn't help things too much.
But they should probably shut off the water (damn the pipes breaking) and not let them pave anymore roads or destroy anymore native burial grounds.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 26, 2016, 09:23:09 PM
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Post by: ednksu on January 27, 2016, 10:12:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sT6JHBy.jpg)
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 27, 2016, 10:24:35 AM
EMO!
You clearly haven't been following me in this thread. :facepalm:
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
Just jokes, friend.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 27, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
But seriously, was the dildo supply damaged?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 27, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
guys we might not hear from KSUW for a while, maybe 15-20
(https://i.imgur.com/sT6JHBy.jpg)
:lynchmob: <= But middle fingers to the gubment
Post by: steve dave on January 28, 2016, 09:45:48 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 28, 2016, 10:05:28 AM
a lynch mod could actually sway me to the side of the crazy people. a combo fan would get me on a plane to join them.How are you backhoe or excavator skills?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
Post by: steve dave on January 28, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 28, 2016, 03:24:53 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 28, 2016, 03:32:42 PM
Post by: Catchacold on January 28, 2016, 05:52:16 PM
Roadblock is gone. We're en route to refuge. #oregonstandoff
— Amanda Peacher (@amandapeacher) January 28, 2016
Post by: slobber on January 28, 2016, 06:33:29 PM
subliminal recruiting video?a lynch mod could actually sway me to the side of the crazy people. a combo fan would get me on a plane to join them.How are you backhoe or excavator skills?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
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Post by: Catchacold on January 28, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
...to be met by new rd block, 1 mi from refuge. Law enforcement told @JohnLGC the situation is stable, at least 1 person still in refuge.
— Amanda Peacher (@amandapeacher) January 29, 2016
Post by: ednksu on January 28, 2016, 10:24:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI#t=5m40s
Post by: Cire on January 29, 2016, 05:57:33 AM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on January 29, 2016, 09:12:52 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2016, 09:14:25 AM
Post by: mhkpasa on January 29, 2016, 09:15:25 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 29, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
Post by: CNS on January 29, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 29, 2016, 09:24:35 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 29, 2016, 09:25:25 AM
He wasn't trying to go around the barricade, he was trying to stop, and swerved in order to miss the barricade. He got out and put up his hands. He was clearly trying to disarm himself. They should have been ready with less-than-lethal weapons.this might be one of the dumbest rough ridin' things I've seen on this blog.
Post by: mhkpasa on January 29, 2016, 09:28:54 AM
He wasn't trying to go around the barricade, he was trying to stop, and swerved in order to miss the barricade. He got out and put up his hands. He was clearly trying to disarm himself. They should have been ready with less-than-lethal weapons.
Right...He was stopped multiple times prior to approaching that roadblock and trying to drive around it in the ditch.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 29, 2016, 09:29:41 AM
Post by: CNS on January 29, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
He was trying to avoid the road block, as in not smash into it. The guy jumped in front. Watch the video, it's right there.
If you are a gun guy, you certainly know for 100 that you don't go reaching for your pocket or waistband if you have a cop pointing a gun at you. Especially if you are a gun nut that has been in a month long stand off with police.
Take the circumstances into account.
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 29, 2016, 09:31:11 AM
(http://watermanatwork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/JumpingSturgeon10-24-14.gif)
bullshit
Post by: Cire on January 29, 2016, 09:52:24 AM
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Post by: renocat on January 29, 2016, 11:02:07 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 29, 2016, 02:58:28 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 29, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2016, 03:29:58 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 29, 2016, 03:34:08 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 29, 2016, 03:58:49 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 29, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
So like everyone left the refuge? It's over?I thought there was still a handful there?
Post by: Tobias on January 29, 2016, 04:14:25 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 29, 2016, 04:54:03 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2016, 05:38:06 PM
Post by: SdK on January 29, 2016, 05:45:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2016, 06:27:11 PM
Real SWAT teams aren't jabronies looking to drop mags.On white guys, at least
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2016, 09:05:39 AM
ran out of beer? /dickstone
And snacks
Post by: ednksu on January 30, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
actually FBI HRT/SOU has a bigger issue with killing white dudes, see Ruby Ridge and Waco.Real SWAT teams aren't jabronies looking to drop mags.On white guys, at least
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
who wouldn't understand why? a child?
I don't know why people were mailing them dicks but I stopped following closely a while ago.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2016, 11:53:43 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 30, 2016, 03:00:21 PM
who wouldn't understand why? a child?
An innocent/naive adult with a lacking sense of humor.
Post by: Catchacold on February 01, 2016, 03:14:59 PM
Protest/counter protest still going on. Lots of shouting/emotion on both sides. #Oregonstandoff pic.twitter.com/EXIZ31Mlv2
— Amanda Peacher (@amandapeacher) February 1, 2016
Post by: ednksu on February 01, 2016, 03:21:12 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2016, 03:26:44 PM
Post by: ednksu on February 01, 2016, 03:29:34 PM
I would be surprised to find a single person sympathetic to these idiots on this here blog.I think if you separate the cause from the method you'd be surprised at how many supporters are here.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Post by: ednksu on February 01, 2016, 03:59:45 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 01, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
Post by: ednksu on February 01, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
What I'm saying is that the people here on this blog hail from a state with almost zero federal land, and therefore give zero fucks about this issue.Fair enough. I think people might be mistaken though when the terrorists talk about the % owned and how it needs to be "returned" to the state. These are obviously complex issues, but these militants clearly have no grasp of the history at play outside of their agenda.
Post by: ednksu on February 11, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
Cliven arrested
Remainders are being negotiated out after fourwheeler joyride.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 11, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
My folks (who live in Portland) said they saw some folks on TV wearing K-State gear, bird watchers or whatever that went to the refuge, and they reported that the terrorists were very nice and accommodating.
Post by: CNS on February 11, 2016, 10:19:20 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 11, 2016, 02:58:13 PM
Post by: Catchacold on February 11, 2016, 03:07:47 PM
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After repeatedly threatening to shoot himself, complaining that he couldn’t get marijuana, and ranting about UFOs, drone strikes in Pakistan, leaking nuclear plants and the government “chemically mutating people,” the last occupier, David Fry, 27, lit a cigarette, shouted “Hallelujah” and walked out of his barricaded encampment into FBI custody.
:buh-bye:
Post by: CNS on February 11, 2016, 03:41:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
This has been a fascinating story that dates back to the first days of open air nuclear testing. They didn't really understand the implication of radiation back then, but there were a few ranches and mines nearby and they'd get little warning in advance, like, "Don't look at the fireball" and stuff like that.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2016, 09:39:34 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2016, 01:12:20 PM
Post by: Tobias on February 14, 2016, 07:50:14 PM
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2016, 08:21:06 PM
Still can't believe it's over.
"The FBI is clearly hoping to put a cap on this and shut it down for good," Lenz said. "Yet the Bundys are not the only ones critical to the growth of this rampant ideolology. I wouldn't be surprised if these arrests – Ammon, Ryan and now, Cliven -- don't send the movement into a fury."
It's not over, man. This is just the beginning. The beginning of a political revolution!
Post by: ednksu on February 17, 2016, 02:33:55 PM
"We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Bundy said. "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important."
They literally crapped all over the culture with legitimate land claims.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 17, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Post by: CNS on February 18, 2016, 10:36:31 AM
These ppl seem perfectly sane. I mean, if you are going to hold a protest, maybe be selective about membership so that things like this don't completely waste your effort.
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Shawna Cox, one of the last militants to be arrested for occupying an Oregon wildlife refuge last month, has filed a countersuit against the U.S. government and others in which she alleges "damages from the works of the devil in excess of 666,666,666,666.66."
While she invoked the number of the beast in her request for damages, Cox listed a wide array of people she plans to subpoena, including: ranchers in the western U.S.; judges and prosecutors; Oregon's current and former governor; local and state police officers; FBI agents; and "various law professors."
Cox said she plans to ask a jury to deliver civil and criminal penalties against many of those same people, who she says have worked to subvert the constitutional government and impose "socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America."
Post by: steve dave on February 18, 2016, 10:59:27 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2016, 11:30:27 AM
she's going to be so rich
Snacks and 'dos for the whole possee!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2016, 11:32:16 AM
sorry for your loss, dugout :frown:
It's hard right now. Next time I will be ready with snacks and sex toys
Post by: ednksu on February 18, 2016, 11:52:26 AM
More charges for 2014 nonsense. Feds took the long play like a boss.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 18, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2016, 03:24:06 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 18, 2016, 03:29:39 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2016, 03:33:57 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
Lot of complaints on how the Forest Service manages (or really doesn't manage) forests and how that contributes to worse fire situations.
Post by: ednksu on February 18, 2016, 07:17:24 PM
All this nonsense aside, do the resident ProgLibs feel good that the government own so much land in the West, and have over the years employed some pretty cheap tricks in order to obtain it and/or expand their holdings??lol read a rough ridin' book about the history of land use in the west dax.
Lot of complaints on how the Forest Service manages (or really doesn't manage) forests and how that contributes to worse fire situations.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2016, 07:32:21 PM
All this nonsense aside, do the resident ProgLibs feel good that the government own so much land in the West, and have over the years employed some pretty cheap tricks in order to obtain it and/or expand their holdings??
Lot of complaints on how the Forest Service manages (or really doesn't manage) forests and how that contributes to worse fire situations.
I'd rather they own it then Bundy
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2016, 09:00:16 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2016, 11:20:08 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 27, 2016, 12:35:18 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundys-want-better-jail-conditions
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 27, 2016, 12:59:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 28, 2016, 08:44:58 AM
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Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2016, 02:00:29 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/31/oregon-militia-leader-complains-about-no-internet-in-jail-cell.html
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 31, 2016, 02:02:28 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 31, 2016, 09:23:29 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 31, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2016, 10:34:18 PM
Post by: Catchacold on October 27, 2016, 06:41:13 PM
Jury verdict: ALL DEFENDANTS FOUND NOT GUILTY. #OregonStandoff
— Amanda Peacher (@amandapeacher) October 27, 2016
:facepalm:
Post by: CNS on October 27, 2016, 06:44:06 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 27, 2016, 07:05:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2016, 08:06:26 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 28, 2016, 08:08:09 AM
Post by: mhkpasa on October 28, 2016, 09:11:08 AM
Well, at least one of them got shot to death.
Old school verdict
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 28, 2016, 09:28:05 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 09:28:24 AM
Post by: Tobias on October 28, 2016, 09:36:01 AM
My boys are BACK! dust off the dildos and get super wasted on donated money
literally the first thought in my brain after hearing the news was "I'm so happy for dsoc"
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 09:51:07 AM
My boys are BACK! dust off the dildos and get super wasted on donated money
literally the first thought in my brain after hearing the news was "I'm so happy for dsoc"
My Halloween costume is Ammon. Dress like a cowboy, get blacked out on southern comfort and take a bunch of crap that isn't mine. I will have lots of dildos obviously
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2016, 10:00:30 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2016, 10:05:49 AM
Post by: CNS on October 28, 2016, 11:03:45 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 11:44:04 AM
what are the going to target next? these boys have got to have a checklist of federal BS that they need to settle down in. maybe like mount rushmore, somehow claim the grand canyon or some crap? something higher profile than that native american building place.
They need to go BACK to the bird sanctuary and settle that score first. They can't even be prosecuted anymore because the Constitution
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 12:18:46 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 12:51:36 PM
Post by: CNS on October 28, 2016, 12:57:57 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2016, 01:06:57 PM
Well, at least one of them got shot to death.
man, this guy looks like a huge(er) dumbass now. was going to skate on the whole deal.
Post by: CNS on October 28, 2016, 01:10:53 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 28, 2016, 01:13:15 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 28, 2016, 01:14:07 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
Well, at least one of them got shot to death.
man, this guy looks like a huge(er) dumbass now. was going to skate on the whole deal.
dude was going to have all the busch and 'dos he could ever have wanted.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 28, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
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But their lawyers argued that prosecutors did not prove that the group had engaged in an illegal conspiracy that kept federal workers — employees of the Fish and Wildlife Service and the Bureau of Land Management — from doing their jobs.
:ROFL:
Every dipshit protestor should be subject to Federal prosecution. :lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 03:05:37 PM
also, there has to be a rule against hundreds of 'dos in a federal park....right?
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2016, 03:29:05 PM
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Post by: Tobias on October 28, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 03:46:11 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 28, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2016, 05:02:49 PM
I just imagined that Ammon and Cliven got their own reality show on Trump Network and passed out, woke up 5 minutes later and cried tears of hope
Whoa, yes
Post by: CNS on October 28, 2016, 05:12:44 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 28, 2016, 06:07:35 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 29, 2016, 07:04:20 AM
I was only trying to make sure they used soy milk in my latte, I didn't know the guy behind me was a park ranger running late.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 29, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
we need a name for my show. "Cliven and Amon plus 8 (dildos)" <--- still a work in progress
Post by: CNS on October 29, 2016, 11:57:53 AM
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Post by: CNS on October 29, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2016, 01:32:59 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 29, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
'do dynasty
Yes
Post by: Spracne on October 29, 2016, 04:28:15 PM
Post by: CNS on October 29, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 30, 2016, 03:55:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KsuPQjr.jpg)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 30, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
FSD, I would want you to write script material for the show.
we need a name for my show. "Cliven and Amon plus 8 (dildos)" <--- still a work in progress
I feel like a script would disrupt the ad lib genious of the yallquaeda tribe. We just need to invent the scene and situation (somebody's favorite dildo is missing and/or appears used)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 30, 2016, 08:17:28 PM
FSD, I would want you to write script material for the show.
we need a name for my show. "Cliven and Amon plus 8 (dildos)" <--- still a work in progress
I feel like a script would disrupt the ad lib genious of the yallquaeda tribe. We just need to invent the scene and situation (somebody's favorite dildo is missing and/or appears used)
most good reality tv is somewhat scripted
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 10, 2018, 11:36:39 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 10, 2018, 11:44:09 AM
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2018, 11:56:02 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on December 07, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
He said the decision comes after he faced fierce backlash for opposing Trump’s attacks on a caravan of migrants.
"It's like being in a room full of people in here, trying to teach, and no one is listening," he told the outlet. "The vast majority seemed to hang on to what seemed like hate, and fear, and almost warmongering, and I don't want to associate myself with warmongers."
Bundy said it was “incorrect” for Trump to characterize the group of Central American migrant traveling toward the U.S. as “all criminal.”
"To group them all up like, frankly, our president has done — you know, trying to speak respectfully — he has basically called them all criminals and said they’re not coming in here. ... It seems that there’s been this group stereotype,” Bundy said in a video posted to Facebook.
"What about the fathers, the mothers and the children, that have come here and are willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually with criminals?" he added.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 07, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
Post by: sys on December 08, 2018, 10:19:03 PM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/420224-ammon-bundy-leaves-militia-movement-after-ripping-trump-over
He said the decision comes after he faced fierce backlash for opposing Trump’s attacks on a caravan of migrants.
"It's like being in a room full of people in here, trying to teach, and no one is listening," he told the outlet. "The vast majority seemed to hang on to what seemed like hate, and fear, and almost warmongering, and I don't want to associate myself with warmongers."
Bundy said it was “incorrect” for Trump to characterize the group of Central American migrant traveling toward the U.S. as “all criminal.”
"To group them all up like, frankly, our president has done — you know, trying to speak respectfully — he has basically called them all criminals and said they’re not coming in here. ... It seems that there’s been this group stereotype,” Bundy said in a video posted to Facebook.
"What about the fathers, the mothers and the children, that have come here and are willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually with criminals?" he added.
i really like this.
Post by: steve dave on December 20, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
A Washington state party leader is calling on GOP state Rep. Matt Shea to resign after an investigation found he helped plan the armed occupation of an Oregon wildlife refuge in 2016 -- an “act of domestic terrorism against the United States.” @OPB https://t.co/btposLF8dT
— NPR (@NPR) December 20, 2019
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Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2019, 02:16:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 20, 2019, 11:15:00 PM
Just in it for the 'dos
and getting completely gassed off of warm Famous Grouse
Post by: sys on July 30, 2020, 10:10:42 PM
Ammon Bundy comes out in support of BLM and defunding the police. Watch conservatives lose their minds in real time in the replies pic.twitter.com/QNXUPe8iYK
— Female Body Respector (@TheEpicDept) July 30, 2020
Post by: sys on July 30, 2020, 10:12:41 PM
/photo/1Ammon Bundy only supports one BLM 😤 pic.twitter.com/SHRPO6C7BA
— Female Body Respector (@TheEpicDept) July 30, 2020
Post by: sys on July 30, 2020, 10:14:44 PM
— Joel (@JoelNihlean) July 30, 2020
Post by: sys on July 30, 2020, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 30, 2020, 10:21:59 PM
i think it's impossible to come up with a black lives matter/bureau of land management joke that isn't hilarious to me.They're fantastic.
Also Bundy has a great Mormon accent that reminds me of my late father-in-law and I admire his ideological consistency.
Post by: Trim on July 30, 2020, 10:24:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 31, 2020, 12:03:19 AM
I’d never thought of the bureau of land management until rusty suggested I find a BLM campground for my possible 4th of July jaunt and I was as confused as when he said he was going downtown to watch ken pomeroy do a live performance.
That's hilarious, both parts. How in the hell did you live in Manhattan when you did and not who Pomeroy are? I couldn't tell you one damn song, but I don't think I ever went to Aggieville from 1996 to 2000 without seeing one of their damn posters. I think they had residency there.
Post by: michigancat on July 31, 2020, 12:09:59 AM
I’d never thought of the bureau of land management until rusty suggested I find a BLM campground for my possible 4th of July jaunt and I was as confused as when he said he was going downtown to watch ken pomeroy do a live performance.
That's hilarious, both parts. How in the hell did you live in Manhattan when you did and not who Pomeroy are? I couldn't tell you one damn song, but I don't think I ever went to Aggieville from 1996 to 2000 without seeing one of their damn posters. I think they had residency there.
To be fair, this was at the 2010 big 12 tournament.
Post by: nicname on July 31, 2020, 12:18:06 AM
Post by: Trim on July 31, 2020, 12:24:42 AM
I’d never thought of the bureau of land management until rusty suggested I find a BLM campground for my possible 4th of July jaunt and I was as confused as when he said he was going downtown to watch ken pomeroy do a live performance.
That's hilarious, both parts. How in the hell did you live in Manhattan when you did and not who Pomeroy are? I couldn't tell you one damn song, but I don't think I ever went to Aggieville from 1996 to 2000 without seeing one of their damn posters. I think they had residency there.
To be fair, this was at the 2010 big 12 tournament.
Right, I knew Pomeroy vs. KenPom but in context, I was convinced rusty was en route to P&L to watch Ken calculate some math formulas in front of a dozen people.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 31, 2020, 05:39:49 AM
I’d never thought of the bureau of land management until rusty suggested I find a BLM campground for my possible 4th of July jaunt and I was as confused as when he said he was going downtown to watch ken pomeroy do a live performance.
That's hilarious, both parts. How in the hell did you live in Manhattan when you did and not who Pomeroy are? I couldn't tell you one damn song, but I don't think I ever went to Aggieville from 1996 to 2000 without seeing one of their damn posters. I think they had residency there.
To be fair, this was at the 2010 big 12 tournament.
Right, I knew Pomeroy vs. KenPom but in context, I was convinced rusty was en route to P&L to watch Ken calculate some math formulas in front of a dozen people.
ah :thumbsup:
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2020, 07:40:39 AM
Pomeroy opening for The Urge at Silverado’s. Hot sex all over the dance floor.
Yesssssssssssss
Post by: LickNeckey on July 31, 2020, 10:26:34 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2020, 10:53:25 AM