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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 24, 2015, 10:50:38 AM
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I wasn't sure whether to put this in the Missouri football thread or any of the dozens of others on racial issues, so I thought it might be best to finally give the BL Movement an official thread.
Black Lives Matter recently succeeded in convincing people that Black Lives Matter by temporarily shutting down the Minneapolis airport. That, or they just pissed a bunch of people off.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_KILLINGS_BY_POLICE_MINNEAPOLIS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-24-02-32-59 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_KILLINGS_BY_POLICE_MINNEAPOLIS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-24-02-32-59)
"The mall was a decoy," said Black Lives Matter organizer Miski Noor, who protested at the airport. "I think it was really effective."
He thinks it was really effective, guys.
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You're talking about it, so yeah, it was effective.
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You're talking about it, so yeah, it was effective.
If the "talking about it" consists of talking about what a bunch of assholes they are, I'm not sure that's very effective. I can pretty much guarantee you that none of the folks whose flights were delayed were thinking "gosh, these guys have a point."
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Why can't they just behave?
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Why can't they just behave?
If by "behave," you mean understand that freedom of speech does not give them the right to shut down traffic, then yes, why can't they?
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the obvious thing is they should worry more about black people killing other blacks, but it's so obvious, that i'm not sure of anything anymore.
we should make a blacks killing blacks thread, whites killing blacks thread, cops killing blacks thread, and see who wins :excited:
i think it would clear things up for myself and others
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the obvious thing is they should worry more about black people killing other blacks, but it's so obvious, that i'm not sure of anything anymore.
we should make a blacks killing blacks thread, whites killing blacks thread, cops killing blacks thread, and see who wins :excited:
i think it would clear things up for myself and others
I know this is waaaaayyyyy to much to ask of you but you should probably read about what black lives matter is.
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I read through Wikipedia, and the sites 11 misconceptions. I get where you are coming from, but that doesn't make it right. Plus a lot of reasoning is made from questionable stats.
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I could not care less, what now mother rough-rider?
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I was just trying to eat lunch at a local diner, but those people were taking up all the seats and protesting something.
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I was just trying to eat lunch at a local diner, but those people were taking up all the seats and protesting something.
Were they eating, or just trying to hurt the restaurants business?
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the obvious thing is they should worry more about black people killing other blacks, but it's so obvious, that i'm not sure of anything anymore.
we should make a blacks killing blacks thread, whites killing blacks thread, cops killing blacks thread, and see who wins :excited:
i think it would clear things up for myself and others
I know this is waaaaayyyyy to much to ask of you but you should probably read about what black lives matter is.
Apparently, part of it is about shutting down travel and otherwise inconveniencing people to teach them that black lives matter. I don't think that's actually written but it's implied.
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Those people need to figure out the appropriate time and place to inconvenience others with their 'issues'
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I don't care what the campaign stands for, those people are lunatics and, as a result, nobody gives a eff about what they have to say. May as well be pushing a shopping cart full of plastic bags and cans around downtown
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These people are getting to be kind of like the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Which tenet of the BL Movement involves harassing people and hurting businesses?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-black-lives-matter-20151225-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-black-lives-matter-20151225-story.html)
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I think this post might explain how crazy you are better than any other, I have some questions.....
Do you have more information surrounding this woman's death that was not provided?
Do you think what happened to her happened because she was black?
There really isn't much to go on with the lack of details in this story, how did you become so pissed?
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Spike Lee has a new film about guns making blacks shoot each other. On NBC this morning he told Toddchuck baby that he does not know why white people.are not outraged. Really?????? Let's educate as to why.
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I think this post might explain how crazy you are better than any other, I have some questions.....
Do you have more information surrounding this woman's death that was not provided?
Do you think what happened to her happened because she was black?
There really isn't much to go on with the lack of details in this story, how did you become so pissed?
You need to do some serious introspection if someone dies in the course of being arrested for refusing to leave a hospital because she couldn't breathe and they wouldn't treat her; and that doesn't make you angry, race aside. And of course this happened to this woman because she was black. The hospital staff didn't/couldn't humanize this woman. If anyone could have seen this woman as their mother, grandmother, sister, aunt she wouldn't have died in handcuffs. In addition to not treating her, having her arrested just shows that they treated this woman like an animal, and why in the hell did the PD actually arrest her? She was a 57 year old woman with a blood clot in her lungs, how in the world could anyone feel threatened by her. It was disgusting that the hospital called the cops on her, it should be criminal that they put that woman in cuffs.
Of course this happened because this woman was black, I have no idea how anyone could logically think otherwise. You calling me crazy is hilarious, you should try to figure out what made you so intolerant and fix it.
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Black lives should matter just as much as any other lives. But, uh, harassing people and hurting businesses doesn't seem like a very effective way to get that message across. It appears that the BL Movement has been infiltrated by the same commie/fascist/anarchist elements that glom onto so many "progressive" causes.
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I think this post might explain how crazy you are better than any other, I have some questions.....
Do you have more information surrounding this woman's death that was not provided?
Do you think what happened to her happened because she was black?
There really isn't much to go on with the lack of details in this story, how did you become so pissed?
You need to do some serious introspection if someone dies in the course of being arrested for refusing to leave a hospital because she couldn't breathe and they wouldn't treat her; and that doesn't make you angry, race aside. And of course this happened to this woman because she was black. The hospital staff didn't/couldn't humanize this woman. If anyone could have seen this woman as their mother, grandmother, sister, aunt she wouldn't have died in handcuffs. In addition to not treating her, having her arrested just shows that they treated this woman like an animal, and why in the hell did the PD actually arrest her? She was a 57 year old woman with a blood clot in her lungs, how in the world could anyone feel threatened by her. It was disgusting that the hospital called the cops on her, it should be criminal that they put that woman in cuffs.
Of course this happened because this woman was black, I have no idea how anyone could logically think otherwise. You calling me crazy is hilarious, you should try to figure out what made you so intolerant and fix it.
What is crazy is how many conclusions you jump to.
She died of a blood clot, they did not disclose why they called the cops on her (guessing it wasn't because she was black), we don't know if she was treated or not, did she have insurance? We don't know. Does this facility treat the uninsured? What kind of behavior got her in handcuffs? I'm pretty sure nobody knew she had a blood clot in her lungs. I don't know what happened here but calling the cops and arresting someone who is exhibitting irrational behavior is pretty normal regardless of skin pigment levels.
I'm not intolerant, and it is possible that there was something wrong here, but we certainly don't get enough info from the link unless you are crazy or somethin'
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Mir your inability to look at race impartially is similar to what we saw play out in Ferguson and it is sad because people that can't be impartial in their judgement expose themselves as not credible all too often.
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
:lol: If black people know black on black crime is a problem then why don't they stop it instead of just blaming and white people for their problems? "Hey bro, did you know our lives matter? Yes bro, now let's shoot each other" I'm baffled you refuse to accept any accountability, but youre a racist and an idiot so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
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Black lives should matter just as much as any other lives. But, uh, harassing people and hurting businesses doesn't seem like a very effective way to get that message across.
What makes what they've done ineffective? Shutting down Michigan Avenue seems extremely effective. Something like a candlelight vigil somewhere on the south side seems incredibly ineffective.
They need to inconvenience people, otherwise no one will listen.
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Or people don't respect them enough to listen to their message because blm protesters irritate?
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Black lives should matter just as much as any other lives. But, uh, harassing people and hurting businesses doesn't seem like a very effective way to get that message across. It appears that the BL Movement has been infiltrated by the same commie/fascist/anarchist elements that glom onto so many "progressive" causes.
Yes, you're right black lives should matter as much as others, thank you for agreeing. Civil disobedience is the only way progress has been made with regards to civil rights historically. The United States had to win a war to free the slaves, no real progress was made until the sit ins and bridge closures of the 60s, many people were unjustly jailed and murdered during this time. Now there is another movement and forgive me for not showing empathy for you being inconvenienced by having to read about the occasional protests given the price this country has had to pay historically to see progress.
I have no idea why you put progressive in quotes, the only people who have politicized the Black Lives Matter movement are people on the right who are marginalizing the movement. There isn't a thing political about advancing race relations.
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I think this post might explain how crazy you are better than any other, I have some questions.....
Do you have more information surrounding this woman's death that was not provided?
Do you think what happened to her happened because she was black?
There really isn't much to go on with the lack of details in this story, how did you become so pissed?
You need to do some serious introspection if someone dies in the course of being arrested for refusing to leave a hospital because she couldn't breathe and they wouldn't treat her; and that doesn't make you angry, race aside. And of course this happened to this woman because she was black. The hospital staff didn't/couldn't humanize this woman. If anyone could have seen this woman as their mother, grandmother, sister, aunt she wouldn't have died in handcuffs. In addition to not treating her, having her arrested just shows that they treated this woman like an animal, and why in the hell did the PD actually arrest her? She was a 57 year old woman with a blood clot in her lungs, how in the world could anyone feel threatened by her. It was disgusting that the hospital called the cops on her, it should be criminal that they put that woman in cuffs.
Of course this happened because this woman was black, I have no idea how anyone could logically think otherwise. You calling me crazy is hilarious, you should try to figure out what made you so intolerant and fix it.
What is crazy is how many conclusions you jump to.
She died of a blood clot, they did not disclose why they called the cops on her (guessing it wasn't because she was black), we don't know if she was treated or not, did she have insurance? We don't know. Does this facility treat the uninsured? What kind of behavior got her in handcuffs? I'm pretty sure nobody knew she had a blood clot in her lungs. I don't know what happened here but calling the cops and arresting someone who is exhibitting irrational behavior is pretty normal regardless of skin pigment levels.
I'm not intolerant, and it is possible that there was something wrong here, but we certainly don't get enough info from the link unless you are crazy or somethin'
I seriously didn't read your post beyond the first sentence because that article and others did say why she was arrested. I don't think you really want to talk about this.
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This "campaign" is a psuedo-academic circle jerk. It deserves the dearth of media coverage it has earned along with the collective roll eyes of the unindoctrintated population.
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Mir your inability to look at race impartially is similar to what we saw play out in Ferguson and it is sad because people that can't be impartial in their judgement expose themselves as not credible all too often.
I honestly have no idea what the hell the bolded part means, can anyone outside of 27 please explain it to me?
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He's saying you're bias cause you're a black, but he's not bias cause he's a white
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
:lol: If black people know black on black crime is a problem then why don't they stop it instead of just blaming and white people for their problems? "Hey bro, did you know our lives matter? Yes bro, now let's shoot each other" I'm baffled you refuse to accept any accountability, but youre a racist and an idiot so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
I literally addressed your point in that paragraph but you're too stupid to understand. The irony of you calling me an idiot is rich. Also you say I refuse to accept responsibility, what do I need to accept responsibility for, and who did I blame for anything?
I need someone to also explain to me why this makes cat27 and lopakman so blind with rage where they have to call me names? The BLM movement has little to no effect on my day-to-day life, I can't imagine how it does for these people. I can't imagine being so angry about something that has no effect on me that I rage out on strangers.
Some of you people that has met this dude in irl, let me know when he gets arrested for harming someone, it's coming.
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Lol at MIR whining about name calling
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He's saying you're bias cause you're a black, but he's not bias cause he's a white
Correction, I'm not because I'm not jumping to conclusions about a situation with so many unanswered questions. Certainly not calling people names, just describing behaviors (crazy ones)
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Lol at MIR whining about name calling
What separates observation from whining? You can't possibly think I care about those guys calling me names. Their rage is odd to me but I also find it intoxicating. Your sock is far more infuriating to me because I'm about 95% sure who it belongs to and in your mind you're contributing to good message boarding but frankly I think you believe this crap you post but are too much of a coward to use your screen name because everyone knows who you are.
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We need rankings for angriest posters in this thread, impartial judges please.
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I would enjoy MIR speculating publicly who he thinks FSD is.
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Well he clearly doesn't need much evidence to make accusations :frown:
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Well he clearly doesn't need much evidence to make accusations :frown:
How would you know what evidence I have?
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Does MIR think FSD is steve dave? Interesting if true 'cuz FSD is always bagging on Steve dave, is he just dusting the trail?
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Well he clearly doesn't need much evidence to make accusations :frown:
How would you know what evidence I have?
Try that again with less anger, and I might answer.
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Does MIR think FSD is steve dave? Interesting if true 'cuz FSD is always bagging on Steve dave, is he just dusting the trail?
Where in the eff did this come from?
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Lol at MIR whining about name calling
What separates observation from whining? You can't possibly think I care about those guys calling me names. Their rage is odd to me but I also find it intoxicating. Your sock is far more infuriating to me because I'm about 95% sure who it belongs to and in your mind you're contributing to good message boarding but frankly I think you believe this crap you post but are too much of a coward to use your screen name because everyone knows who you are.
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Does MIR think FSD is steve dave? Interesting if true 'cuz FSD is always bagging on Steve dave, is he just dusting the trail?
Where in the eff did this come from?
Don't worry about him, we have hard evidence that cat27 either can't read or can't comprehend beyond a 4th grade level.
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it's chingon isn't it
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So which one of mir's friends is a closet racist?
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Lol at MIR whining about name calling
What separates observation from whining? You can't possibly think I care about those guys calling me names. Their rage is odd to me but I also find it intoxicating. Your sock is far more infuriating to me because I'm about 95% sure who it belongs to and in your mind you're contributing to good message boarding but frankly I think you believe this crap you post but are too much of a coward to use your screen name because everyone knows who you are.
95% of your posts involve insulting someone followed by further insulting them for disagreeing with your perverted point of view, followed by some stupid link, followed by an insult.
And larger lol at accusing someone using a moniker on a message board of being a coward, make it rain.
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Does MIR think FSD is steve dave? Interesting if true 'cuz FSD is always bagging on Steve dave, is he just dusting the trail?
Where in the eff did this come from?
Shut up, FSD's sock
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i want to know who fsd is :popcorn:
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i want to know who fsd is :popcorn:
I know, it's not very interesting. Same with most of us.
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i want to know who fsd is :popcorn:
I know, it's not very interesting. Same with most of us.
i know an easy way to find out without using ip address but i didnt make the smartest list so im not gonna say :frown:
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really the only advantage to being a mod is knowing who all the socks are. amazed they have the strength to hold back the info. but information is power
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Lol at MIR whining about name calling
What separates observation from whining? You can't possibly think I care about those guys calling me names. Their rage is odd to me but I also find it intoxicating. Your sock is far more infuriating to me because I'm about 95% sure who it belongs to and in your mind you're contributing to good message boarding but frankly I think you believe this crap you post but are too much of a coward to use your screen name because everyone knows who you are.
95% of your posts involve insulting someone followed by further insulting them for disagreeing with your perverted point of view, followed by some stupid link, followed by an insult.
And larger lol at accusing someone using a moniker on a message board of being a coward, make it rain.
I've met like 75% of the regular posters on this board and I use my government on twitter that has been quoted lots on gE. It would take any poster who cares about 5 minutes to find my name, picture, and where I live all on this blog. I very well may be the least anonymous person here. I also don't have a sock devoted to expressing intolerance, according to some, I do that well enough with this account.
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I've met like 75% of the regular posters on this board and I use my government on twitter that has been quoted lots on gE. It would take any poster who cares about 5 minutes to find my name, picture, and where I live all on this blog. I very well may be the least anonymous person here. I also don't have a sock devoted to expressing intolerance, according to some, I do that well enough with this account.
i think someone else has that title locked up forever :lol:
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"Intolerance"
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I've met like 75% of the regular posters on this board and I use my government on twitter that has been quoted lots on gE. It would take any poster who cares about 5 minutes to find my name, picture, and where I live all on this blog. I very well may be the least anonymous person here. I also don't have a sock devoted to expressing intolerance, according to some, I do that well enough with this account.
i think someone else has that title locked up forever :lol:
Oh man, so true :ROFL:
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Black lives should matter just as much as any other lives. But, uh, harassing people and hurting businesses doesn't seem like a very effective way to get that message across. It appears that the BL Movement has been infiltrated by the same commie/fascist/anarchist elements that glom onto so many "progressive" causes.
Yes, you're right black lives should matter as much as others, thank you for agreeing. Civil disobedience is the only way progress has been made with regards to civil rights historically. The United States had to win a war to free the slaves, no real progress was made until the sit ins and bridge closures of the 60s, many people were unjustly jailed and murdered during this time. Now there is another movement and forgive me for not showing empathy for you being inconvenienced by having to read about the occasional protests given the price this country has had to pay historically to see progress.
Blocking traffic or access to a private business is not "civil disobedience." Civil disobedience is "the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest." For example, refusing to ride at the back of a bus or comply with other segregation laws.
That's an important distinction, which you have evidently missed. I think it's fair to assume that a lot of people in the BL Movement fail to grasp that distinction.
I have no idea why you put progressive in quotes, the only people who have politicized the Black Lives Matter movement are people on the right who are marginalizing the movement. There isn't a thing political about advancing race relations.
I put it in quotes because you are right, there is nothing inherently "progressive" about advocating for civil rights. And yet it's always the same "progressive" crowd doing the protesting - just a new cause, and it's always boils down to the same crazies with their underlying agendas: Occupy Wall Street, any number of "Green" movements, now Black Lives Matter. Are you telling me these are fundamentally different people? They're not. They're being supported and promoted by the same pack of professional agitators and protestors who flit from cause to cause. At root, they are communists/anarchists/fascists/hardcore socialists/etc.
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Professional agitators :love:
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WRLM
White Rancher Lives Matter!!
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you can't exactly change society operating by its rules.
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Why isn't blocking traffic considered "civil disobedience"? Also, lol at thinking BLM, Occupy, and "green" protestors are the same group
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Why isn't blocking traffic considered "civil disobedience"? Also, lol at thinking BLM, Occupy, and "green" protestors are the same group
because the literal definition fits his narrative.
Technically, they formed a parade that blocked traffic without applying for a permit, so maybe it does fit the literal definition.
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I want all BLM rallies to have better megaphones. The audio quality of all that I've seen has been horrible, both on video and in person.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
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Why isn't blocking traffic considered "civil disobedience"? Also, lol at thinking BLM, Occupy, and "green" protestors are the same group
because the literal definition fits his narrative.
Technically, they formed a parade that blocked traffic without applying for a permit, so maybe it does fit the literal definition.
His literal definition was ""the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest."
Blocking traffic seems to fall directly under "refusal to comply certain laws as a peaceful form of political protest"
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Why isn't blocking traffic considered "civil disobedience"? Also, lol at thinking BLM, Occupy, and "green" protestors are the same group
because the literal definition fits his narrative.
Technically, they formed a parade that blocked traffic without applying for a permit, so maybe it does fit the literal definition.
His literal definition was ""the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest."
Blocking traffic seems to fall directly under "refusal to comply certain laws as a peaceful form of political protest"
we're in agreement.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
This. You guys can try to contort the definition of civil disobedience to equate being an bad person to disobeying segregation laws, but you just look really silly in doing so.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
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Why isn't blocking traffic considered "civil disobedience"? Also, lol at thinking BLM, Occupy, and "green" protestors are the same group
because the literal definition fits his narrative.
Technically, they formed a parade that blocked traffic without applying for a permit, so maybe it does fit the literal definition.
His literal definition was ""the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest."
Blocking traffic seems to fall directly under "refusal to comply certain laws as a peaceful form of political protest"
we're in agreement.
While back in reality, the two of you dolts are refusing to acknowledge an obvious distinction in order to fit your narrative.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
This. You guys can try to contort the definition of civil disobedience to equate being an bad person to disobeying segregation laws, but you just look really silly in doing so.
at its roots, the point of a protest is to inconvenience society in a manner that generates awareness for whatever social change the movement wants. a protest also needs to generate empathy and support, which this movement has failed to do in a lot of ways, but that isn't what we're arguing here. you're a proponent of the status quo. i wouldn't find it surprising if you equated every protest movement to behaving like an bad person. that's pretty much what a protest movement is, the success of the movement hinges on whether or not you're able to win people over to your side once you've interrupted their day-to-day routine.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
This. You guys can try to contort the definition of civil disobedience to equate being an bad person to disobeying segregation laws, but you just look really silly in doing so.
you're a proponent of the status quo. i wouldn't find it surprising if you equated every protest movement to behaving like an bad person. that's pretty much what a protest movement is
Again, what a completely ridiculous thing to say. I support many protests - if they are targeted at the problem, as opposed to innocent people. That's the point you and others fail to grasp.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
What was the airport doing that warranted it being shut down?
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
What was the airport doing that warranted it being shut down?
What was the highway between Selma and Montgomery doing wrong?
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
Many white people changed their minds when they saw the videos and images of what happened to those protesters in the 60s. Nothing is happening to these protesters. Do you really think anyone who wasn't previously on board with BLM is going to start supporting their cause because they shut down an airport for no apparent reason? If anything, that sort of protest is going to make people distance themselves from their cause.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
Many white people changed their minds when they saw the videos and images of what happened to those protesters in the 60s. Nothing is happening to these protesters. Do you really think anyone who wasn't previously on board with BLM is going to start supporting their cause because they shut down an airport for no apparent reason? If anything, that sort of protest is going to make people distance themselves from their cause.
Are you saying this form of protest is only effective if the protestors are beaten or abused? Because I think many folks inconvenienced will learn more about BLM, even if they think the protestors were assholes. They might not provide outright support and still think they're assholes, but there's a good chance someone will try to learn more.
What do you think would be a more effective way to get their message out there?
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The fact that the people protesting have no idea what they are protesting against seems to be a rather large problem in the alleged campaign.
The purported problems are "society valuing a life less" which is a falsehood, "systemic prejudice" which is a flasehood, demographic differences renamed "inequality", and other intangible innocuous crap conjured by self interested people such as ne'erdowell academics and so-called agitators, who use these people for there own personal advancement and gain.
I don't understand why michigancat and the other dolt are insisting to acknowledge obvious distinctions between this and the civil rights sit inz, but it's really misguided and further damages ("marginalizes") the alleged campaign.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
Many white people changed their minds when they saw the videos and images of what happened to those protesters in the 60s. Nothing is happening to these protesters. Do you really think anyone who wasn't previously on board with BLM is going to start supporting their cause because they shut down an airport for no apparent reason? If anything, that sort of protest is going to make people distance themselves from their cause.
Are you saying this form of protest is only effective if the protestors are beaten or abused? Because I think many folks inconvenienced will learn more about BLM, even if they think the protestors were assholes. They might not provide outright support and still think they're assholes, but there's a good chance someone will try to learn more.
What do you think would be a more effective way to get their message out there?
Good grief
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
This. You guys can try to contort the definition of civil disobedience to equate being an bad person to disobeying segregation laws, but you just look really silly in doing so.
you're a proponent of the status quo. i wouldn't find it surprising if you equated every protest movement to behaving like an bad person. that's pretty much what a protest movement is
Again, what a completely ridiculous thing to say. I support many protests - if they are targeted at the problem, as opposed to innocent people. That's the point you and others fail to grasp.
innocence has nothing to do with it. this isn't a court of law. that is the point that you fail to grasp. society is constructed of an astronomical number of people from all walks of life, focused on any number of different things. if you want to effect social change, you have to get their attention. blocking a roadway is certainly a method to gain an audience, a method many other social movements have used in the past. i'll reiterate, i'm not saying that blocking a road is the best method by which to effect a desired social change. i am saying that it is a legitimate form of protest.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
What was the airport doing that warranted it being shut down?
What was the highway between Selma and Montgomery doing wrong?
Nothing. Ok, now your turn! What was the airport doing that warranted it being shut down?
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
This. You guys can try to contort the definition of civil disobedience to equate being an bad person to disobeying segregation laws, but you just look really silly in doing so.
you're a proponent of the status quo. i wouldn't find it surprising if you equated every protest movement to behaving like an bad person. that's pretty much what a protest movement is
Again, what a completely ridiculous thing to say. I support many protests - if they are targeted at the problem, as opposed to innocent people. That's the point you and others fail to grasp.
innocence has nothing to do with it. this isn't a court of law. that is the point that you fail to grasp. society is constructed of an astronomical number of people from all walks of life, focused on any number of different things. if you want to effect social change, you have to get their attention. blocking a roadway is certainly a method to gain an audience, a method many other social movements have used in the past. i'll reiterate, i'm not saying that blocking a road is the best method by which to effect a desired social change. i am saying that it is a legitimate form of protest.
I'm not going to argue over what is, or isn't, a "legitimate form of protest." The point I'm making is that these people are behaving have assholes when they do this sort of stuff, it's not targeted at any particular source or manifestation of the injustice they're fighting, and they're not winning anyone over as a result. Again, comparing this sort of crap to refusing to use a blacks only drinking fountain or ride at the back of a bus is just stoooopid.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
This. You guys can try to contort the definition of civil disobedience to equate being an bad person to disobeying segregation laws, but you just look really silly in doing so.
you're a proponent of the status quo. i wouldn't find it surprising if you equated every protest movement to behaving like an bad person. that's pretty much what a protest movement is
Again, what a completely ridiculous thing to say. I support many protests - if they are targeted at the problem, as opposed to innocent people. That's the point you and others fail to grasp.
innocence has nothing to do with it. this isn't a court of law. that is the point that you fail to grasp. society is constructed of an astronomical number of people from all walks of life, focused on any number of different things. if you want to effect social change, you have to get their attention. blocking a roadway is certainly a method to gain an audience, a method many other social movements have used in the past. i'll reiterate, i'm not saying that blocking a road is the best method by which to effect a desired social change. i am saying that it is a legitimate form of protest.
I'm not going to argue over what is, or isn't, a "legitimate form of protest." The point I'm making is that these people are behaving have assholes when they do this sort of stuff, it's not targeted at any particular source or manifestation of the injustice they're fighting, and they're not winning anyone over as a result. Again, comparing this sort of crap to refusing to use a blacks only drinking fountain or ride at the back of a bus is just stoooopid.
A protest is behaving like an bad person, man. What do you not grasp about that? If you want to change the way society operates, you're going to piss off people that like the way society currently operates. Step back for a minute and think about the concepts at work here, not whether or not you agree with the movement.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
Many white people changed their minds when they saw the videos and images of what happened to those protesters in the 60s. Nothing is happening to these protesters. Do you really think anyone who wasn't previously on board with BLM is going to start supporting their cause because they shut down an airport for no apparent reason? If anything, that sort of protest is going to make people distance themselves from their cause.
Are you saying this form of protest is only effective if the protestors are beaten or abused? Because I think many folks inconvenienced will learn more about BLM, even if they think the protestors were assholes. They might not provide outright support and still think they're assholes, but there's a good chance someone will try to learn more.
What do you think would be a more effective way to get their message out there?
It's certainly much more effective when the protesters can be seen as victims.
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It's worth noting that michigancat and the other dolt have lost this argument so badly that they are now attempting to reframe it into a discussion as to whether the airport protest was indeed a protest.
Nevermind that nobody knows the actual objective of the alleged campaign, and that the overwhelming majority of the public (i.e., society) sees it's paricipants as a bunch of entitled adolescent shits without brains or a better thing to do.
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If a position of BLM is that the rest of America is routinely made aware of black people having bad things (death) happen to them at the hands of government, police, racists, etc., and that a lot of the rest of America's reaction is "meh" or "damn, that sucks, but I've got some errands to run, I'm sure it'll work itself out," then inconveniencing the rest of America would be a correctly targeted protest.
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It's worth noting that michigancat and the other dolt have lost this argument so badly that they are now attempting to reframe it into a discussion as to whether the airport protest was indeed a protest.
Nevermind that nobody knows the actual objective of the alleged campaign, and that the overwhelming majority of the public (i.e., society) sees it's paricipants as a bunch of entitled adolescent shits without brains or a better thing to do.
what qualifies as a protest is what was most certainly being discussed when I entered this debate, if i am who you are referring to as "the other dolt," but thank you for your constructive input.
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It's worth noting that michigancat and the other dolt have lost this argument so badly that they are now attempting to reframe it into a discussion as to whether the airport protest was indeed a protest.
Nevermind that nobody knows the actual objective of the alleged campaign, and that the overwhelming majority of the public (i.e., society) sees it's paricipants as a bunch of entitled adolescent shits without brains or a better thing to do.
what qualifies as a protest is what was most certainly being discussed when I entered this debate, if i am who you are referring to as "the other dolt," but thank you for your constructive input.
You are, as further evidenced by the remainder of your post. Nobody is, or ever was, arguing that the protest was a protest, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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It's worth noting that michigancat and the other dolt have lost this argument so badly that they are now attempting to reframe it into a discussion as to whether the airport protest was indeed a protest.
Nevermind that nobody knows the actual objective of the alleged campaign, and that the overwhelming majority of the public (i.e., society) sees it's paricipants as a bunch of entitled adolescent shits without brains or a better thing to do.
what qualifies as a protest is what was most certainly being discussed when I entered this debate, if i am who you are referring to as "the other dolt," but thank you for your constructive input.
You are, as further evidenced by the remainder of your post. Nobody is, or ever was, arguing that the protest was a protest, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
If you say so.
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Is fsd being an bad person itt a protest?
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A protest is behaving like an bad person, man. What do you not grasp about that? If you want to change the way society operates, you're going to piss off people that like the way society currently operates. Step back for a minute and think about the concepts at work here, not whether or not you agree with the movement.
:lol: The part I don't grasp is your contention that protests require you to behave like an bad person. They don't, and they certainly don't require that you be an bad person towards people who are not associated with your grievance.
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The anti government people really missed the mark protesting at government facilities and electing congressman to reduce the size of government. They should have just blocked the highways and egged the cars. Much more effective.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
Completely disregarding the sit-ins. The first Selma-to-Montgomery march on a major highway, in historical retrospect was the seminal moment in the 60's civil rights movement.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
What was the airport doing that warranted it being shut down?
Which conservative blog did you read that told you that the airport was shutdown, cause that didn't happen.
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A protest is behaving like an bad person, man. What do you not grasp about that? If you want to change the way society operates, you're going to piss off people that like the way society currently operates. Step back for a minute and think about the concepts at work here, not whether or not you agree with the movement.
:lol: The part I don't grasp is your contention that protests require you to behave like an bad person. They don't, and they certainly don't require that you be an bad person towards people who are not associated with your grievance.
bad person-ish behavior is in the eye of the beholder.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
A very large portion of Americans viewed civil rights protesters as a bunch of assholes blocking traffic or keeping people from eating at their favorite restaurant.
It's much easier to sympathize with the benefit of hindsight.
You're being stupid. The target of the civil disobedience of the 60s was the very segregation they were fighting. The target of the BLM protests - at least the ones we're discussing - are innocent people trying to travel / shop for the holidays. No amount of hindsight changes that. You don't need hindsight - you need some common sense.
I'm sure many white people who wanted to take the bus or eat at their favorite restaurant in the 60's felt they were innocent, too.
Many white people changed their minds when they saw the videos and images of what happened to those protesters in the 60s. Nothing is happening to these protesters. Do you really think anyone who wasn't previously on board with BLM is going to start supporting their cause because they shut down an airport for no apparent reason? If anything, that sort of protest is going to make people distance themselves from their cause.
Are you saying this form of protest is only effective if the protestors are beaten or abused? Because I think many folks inconvenienced will learn more about BLM, even if they think the protestors were assholes. They might not provide outright support and still think they're assholes, but there's a good chance someone will try to learn more.
What do you think would be a more effective way to get their message out there?
It's certainly much more effective when the protesters can be seen as victims.
What are you saying? Are you advocating that we get some protesters killed or get some police chief to sick some german shepards on some darkies? Your message seems to be mixed. You say that the protesters in the 60's did it the right way, but they did that by pushing civil disobedience further than it had ever been pushed before, but then out of the other side of your mouth you decried the protest at MSP which was successful in closing the security checkpoint at one terminal for 45 minutes :zzz:
If your point is that BLM needs to have bolder protests that inconvenience much larger groups of people then, yes, I agree.
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If a position of BLM is that the rest of America is routinely made aware of black people having bad things (death) happen to them at the hands of government, police, racists, etc., and that a lot of the rest of America's reaction is "meh" or "damn, that sucks, but I've got some errands to run, I'm sure it'll work itself out," then inconveniencing the rest of America would be a correctly targeted protest.
I'm quoting this just in case RATM missed it the first time.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
Completely disregarding the sit-ins. The first Selma-to-Montgomery march on a major highway, in historical retrospect was the seminal moment in the 60's civil rights movement.
The Selma-to-Montgomery march ended at the Alabama State House. The protest was about voting rights and it was directed at at those responsible.
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the chicago protests haven't inconvenienced me one iota. in fact, my only real exposure to them was when they marched down the street under my office a couple weeks ago. everything that i've witnessed has been pretty organized and under control - police escorts, the works, really.
anyhow, i'm having a hard time pinpointing the points of view of those who are criticizing the BLM movement. do you understand why they're upset, but you disagree with how they're going about voicing their anger? or do you not even think they have a reason to be upset? i think it's okay to be critical of their methods of protest so long as you understand why they're angry.
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do you understand why they're upset, but you disagree with how they're going about voicing their anger?
yes
You might not have been personally inconvenienced, but a lot of business owners were.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-black-friday-mag-mile-fallout-1201-biz-20151130-story.html
I would like to see changes in police training and how the justice system handles cops who murder people, but I don't see how worsening your local economy helps things. It's very difficult for me to read that article and support BLM.
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do you understand why they're upset, but you disagree with how they're going about voicing their anger?
yes
You might not have been personally inconvenienced, but a lot of business owners were.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-black-friday-mag-mile-fallout-1201-biz-20151130-story.html
I would like to see changes in police training and how the justice system handles cops who murder people, but I don't see how worsening your local economy helps things. It's very difficult for me to read that article and support BLM.
You should say that your decisions on how to achieve the goals would be different, but not that it's difficult to support "black lives matter."
Try adding a "too" to the end to make it more understandable - black lives matter too.
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I would like to see changes in police training and how the justice system handles cops who murder people, but I don't see how worsening your local economy helps things.
People affected by a hurt "local economy" (ie people with money) are people who really can influence change. Even if they're just like, "hey mayor, these BLM folks are hurting my business, make them stop", it's a win for BLM, because otherwise no one gives two shits about them.
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I would like to see changes in police training and how the justice system handles cops who murder people, but I don't see how worsening your local economy helps things.
People affected by a hurt "local economy" (ie people with money) are people who really can influence change. Even if they're just like, "hey mayor, these BLM folks are hurting my business, make them stop", it's a win for BLM, because otherwise no one gives two shits about them.
I'd love for Lebron to opt out because of Tamir Rice.
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Under every form of government certain lives matter more than others, because governments of all forms are run by self interested people.
BLM, is particularly stupid because the alleged transgressions aren't limited or exclusive to BL's.
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I would like to see changes in police training and how the justice system handles cops who murder people, but I don't see how worsening your local economy helps things.
People affected by a hurt "local economy" (ie people with money) are people who really can influence change. Even if they're just like, "hey mayor, these BLM folks are hurting my business, make them stop", it's a win for BLM, because otherwise no one gives two shits about them.
I think plenty of people care, and poor people are affected by a hurt local economy, too. I think they should find ways to make the general population care more about them, though. I think this type of protest has the opposite effect.
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
:lol: If black people know black on black crime is a problem then why don't they stop it instead of just blaming and white people for their problems? "Hey bro, did you know our lives matter? Yes bro, now let's shoot each other" I'm baffled you refuse to accept any accountability, but youre a racist and an idiot so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
I literally addressed your point in that paragraph but you're too stupid to understand. The irony of you calling me an idiot is rich. Also you say I refuse to accept responsibility, what do I need to accept responsibility for, and who did I blame for anything?
I need someone to also explain to me why this makes cat27 and lopakman so blind with rage where they have to call me names? The BLM movement has little to no effect on my day-to-day life, I can't imagine how it does for these people. I can't imagine being so angry about something that has no effect on me that I rage out on strangers.
Some of you people that has met this dude in irl, let me know when he gets arrested for harming someone, it's coming.
:lol: :lol: :lol: The guy who starts a 'real life fighting you thread' is worried about my rage and me harming someone. That's pure gold right there. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
:lol: If black people know black on black crime is a problem then why don't they stop it instead of just blaming and white people for their problems? "Hey bro, did you know our lives matter? Yes bro, now let's shoot each other" I'm baffled you refuse to accept any accountability, but youre a racist and an idiot so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
I literally addressed your point in that paragraph but you're too stupid to understand. The irony of you calling me an idiot is rich. Also you say I refuse to accept responsibility, what do I need to accept responsibility for, and who did I blame for anything?
I need someone to also explain to me why this makes cat27 and lopakman so blind with rage where they have to call me names? The BLM movement has little to no effect on my day-to-day life, I can't imagine how it does for these people. I can't imagine being so angry about something that has no effect on me that I rage out on strangers.
Some of you people that has met this dude in irl, let me know when he gets arrested for harming someone, it's coming.
:lol: :lol: :lol: The guy who starts a 'real life fighting you thread' is worried about my rage and me harming someone. That's pure gold right there. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was that thread about me fighting, dumbass?
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
Completely disregarding the sit-ins. The first Selma-to-Montgomery march on a major highway, in historical retrospect was the seminal moment in the 60's civil rights movement.
The Selma-to-Montgomery march ended at the Alabama State House. The protest was about voting rights and it was directed at at those responsible.
I'm guessing the lawmakers in the state house that day weren't the ones who had their driving routes inconvenienced.
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People affected by a hurt "local economy" (ie people with money) ...
The ignorance is palpable.
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What matters in Cleveland:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2Fcleveland_zps8fi2ebr3.jpg&hash=8a0d8d79a48b33ef6c2e314e458263ee5d0c2d85) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/cleveland_zps8fi2ebr3.jpg.html)
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
Completely disregarding the sit-ins. The first Selma-to-Montgomery march on a major highway, in historical retrospect was the seminal moment in the 60's civil rights movement.
The Selma-to-Montgomery march ended at the Alabama State House. The protest was about voting rights and it was directed at at those responsible.
I'm guessing the lawmakers in the state house that day weren't the ones who had their driving routes inconvenienced.
I don't think drivers having their routes inconvenienced had anything to do with the success of the march.
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I think a major difference between the recent BLM protests and older civil rights protests is that the older protests were directed at oppressors and these protests are not. The image portrayed by a group of people getting beaten, spit on, etc for having the nerve to expect to get served at a restaurant or ride in the front of a bus is far more effective than the image portrayed by a bunch of assholes blocking an airport so people who have absolutely nothing to do with them miss Christmas dinner.
Completely disregarding the sit-ins. The first Selma-to-Montgomery march on a major highway, in historical retrospect was the seminal moment in the 60's civil rights movement.
The Selma-to-Montgomery march ended at the Alabama State House. The protest was about voting rights and it was directed at at those responsible.
I'm guessing the lawmakers in the state house that day weren't the ones who had their driving routes inconvenienced.
I don't think drivers having their routes inconvenienced had anything to do with the success of the march.
Right, means to an end, like having a security gate closed down for 45 minutes. We agree, thanks and good talk.
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What matters in Cleveland:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2Fcleveland_zps8fi2ebr3.jpg&hash=8a0d8d79a48b33ef6c2e314e458263ee5d0c2d85) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/cleveland_zps8fi2ebr3.jpg.html)
Rough headlines for da black folk. How in the hell do you square firing the GM but keeping the coach he hired and the QB he drafted?
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People affected by a hurt "local economy" (ie people with money) ...
The ignorance is palpable.
Thanks for the contribution, meow meow.
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I would agree with you on the assumption that the cops and all of the hospital staff were white. Seems like a racist assumption, but if that is what you are going with, then I am on board.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I would agree with you on the assumption that the cops and all of the hospital staff were white. Seems like a racist assumption, but if that is what you are going with, then I am on board.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
What does their race have to do with what I posted there? For the record that county in Florida is 80% white, so it's a fairly safe assumption but I need you to tell me what that has to do with what you responded to?
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Slobberknocked :Poke:
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I feel bad for slobber when he wanders into the pit
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He brings it on himself
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:lol: I must be too stupid for the intelligence levied here in the pit.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I would agree with you on the assumption that the cops and all of the hospital staff were white. Seems like a racist assumption, but if that is what you are going with, then I am on board.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
What does their race have to do with what I posted there? For the record that county in Florida is 80% white, so it's a fairly safe assumption but I need you to tell me what that has to do with what you responded to?
I guess it was a reach for me that when "a black life was marginalized" that it was being marginalized by whites. My mistake.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I would agree with you on the assumption that the cops and all of the hospital staff were white. Seems like a racist assumption, but if that is what you are going with, then I am on board.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
What does their race have to do with what I posted there? For the record that county in Florida is 80% white, so it's a fairly safe assumption but I need you to tell me what that has to do with what you responded to?
I guess it was a reach for me that when "a black life was marginalized" that it was being marginalized by whites. My mistake.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
Yeah, you're right it was your mistake. The very first sentence I typed in that post you quoted said
the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others
So I have to think that either you are a poor reader or you don't consider black people as a part of our society. Which is it?
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Slobberknocked :Poke:
As in Mir got slobberknocked :Stretcher:
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We're so pissed at the entirety of society including ourselves- BLM
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
Here is the most egregious case of black life being marginalized that I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm more pissed that it happened or that no one seems to care that it did, business as usual.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-results-expected-woman-removed-hospital-35922002
I would agree with you on the assumption that the cops and all of the hospital staff were white. Seems like a racist assumption, but if that is what you are going with, then I am on board.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
What does their race have to do with what I posted there? For the record that county in Florida is 80% white, so it's a fairly safe assumption but I need you to tell me what that has to do with what you responded to?
I guess it was a reach for me that when "a black life was marginalized" that it was being marginalized by whites. My mistake.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
Yeah, you're right it was your mistake. The very first sentence I typed in that post you quoted said
the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others
So I have to think that either you are a poor reader or you don't consider black people as a part of our society. Which is it?
I am a poor reader. Conceded.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
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No problem here at all
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/our-voices/tamir-rice-shooting-until-cops-start-being-jailed-for-killing-black-children-like-tamir-they-will-a6789011.html
http://jezebel.com/white-woman-points-bb-gun-at-cops-shouts-shoot-me-is-1749973948
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/8-white-people-who-pointed-guns-police-officers-and-managed-not-get-killed
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Was marching across the Edmund Pettus bridge civil disobedience or professional agitating?
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i'm posting this for MIR and the rest of you idiots.
truth hurts.
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
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i'm posting this for MIR and the rest of you idiots.
truth hurts.
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
Referencing me as MIR outs this sock, do better and stop using white supremacy websites with bad stats to troll.
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People affected by a hurt "local economy" (ie people with money) ...
The ignorance is palpable.
Thanks for the contribution, meow meow.
Likewise. Am I supposed to make an animal sound after my comments? Let me know.
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i'm posting this for MIR and the rest of you idiots.
truth hurts.
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
Referencing me as MIR outs this sock, do better and stop using white supremacy websites with bad stats to troll.
yep. that website was pretty LOL, but i am afraid to click on it at my work computer
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Black Lives Matter is ultimately necessary because, as I've pointed out before, the entirety of our society doesn't value the lives of black people the way we value others. I'm baffled by those of you who continue to whine about black-on-black crime, as if you actually care, like black people don't know it's a problem. Black lives mattering like that of livestock is deeply rooted in this country, the BLM movement is a noble one but I'm not sure how it will reverse 400 years of history. And it seems like on the whole white America refuses to acknowledge this so it seems this is all futile.
:lol: If black people know black on black crime is a problem then why don't they stop it instead of just blaming and white people for their problems? "Hey bro, did you know our lives matter? Yes bro, now let's shoot each other" I'm baffled you refuse to accept any accountability, but youre a racist and an idiot so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
I literally addressed your point in that paragraph but you're too stupid to understand. The irony of you calling me an idiot is rich. Also you say I refuse to accept responsibility, what do I need to accept responsibility for, and who did I blame for anything?
I need someone to also explain to me why this makes cat27 and lopakman so blind with rage where they have to call me names? The BLM movement has little to no effect on my day-to-day life, I can't imagine how it does for these people. I can't imagine being so angry about something that has no effect on me that I rage out on strangers.
Some of you people that has met this dude in irl, let me know when he gets arrested for harming someone, it's coming.
:lol: :lol: :lol: The guy who starts a 'real life fighting you thread' is worried about my rage and me harming someone. That's pure gold right there. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was that thread about me fighting, dumbass?
Yes, it was. Dumbass
I would fight lots of people if getting arrested wasn't going to happen. I think people on the internet and irl act out of pocket because there isn't a real credible threat to get beaten up. I have a real issue with people who act like assholes and I feel like its really easy for people to treat others like crap, wouldn't be the case if you were afraid of swallowing your teeth.
I very nearly got into a fight in OKC with some gE elites. These dudes were absolutely looking for trouble and we would have worn them out, but these are the dudes who start fights and then call the cops after they get their asees kicked. I don't need an arrest record.
So much rage mir. Is it because you blame white people for all your problems? Would you fight lots of people, or just lots of white people? I bet just white people. :tongue:
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i'm posting this for MIR and the rest of you idiots.
truth hurts.
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
Referencing me as MIR outs this sock, do better and stop using white supremacy websites with bad stats to troll.
bad stats? lol. can't handle the truth?
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http://www.vox.com/2014/8/28/6051971/police-implicit-bias-michael-brown-ferguson-missouri (http://www.vox.com/2014/8/28/6051971/police-implicit-bias-michael-brown-ferguson-missouri)
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https://twitter.com/_NicoleESpears/status/776606345055309824
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I'm not #BLM, but it bugs the crap out of me whenever a white person's response to news of mistreatment of blacks is just to point to news of mistreatment of whites.
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goddamn. teased with fsd's secret identity and then no reveal. i'd be more outraged, but i imagine it's some idiot who i've never even noticed posts here in non sock form.
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It's Chingon
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It's Chingon
we can't all be chingon, liblib.
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Can't we?
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no, not all.
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article138048853.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article138048853.html)
New documentary says Michael Brown, founder of the BL movement, didn't rob that convenience store after all! In fact, Sweet Little Baby Big Mike was the victim! He was owed those cigarillos for some pot he'd sold the clerks earlier that morning. What's wrong with this world when you get shot just for attacking a police officer after getting screwed out of a drug deal?
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article138048853.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article138048853.html)
New documentary says Michael Brown, founder of the BL movement, didn't rob that convenience store after all! In fact, Sweet Little Baby Big Mike was the victim! He was owed those cigarillos for some pot he'd sold the clerks earlier that morning. What's wrong with this world when you get shot just for attacking a police officer after getting screwed out of a drug deal?
definitely had it coming
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Got what was coming to him, for sure
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Scientifically proves black lives don't matter
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Founder of the black lives matter movement
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What an amazing post
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I kind of wish the police shot more criminals, and I don't care what color any of the criminals are.
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What a loaded title. It's a shame they used it.
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I kind of wish the police shot more criminals, and I don't care what color any of the criminals are.
yeah our cops really need to get their kill totals up
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I kind of wish the police shot more criminals, and I don't care what color any of the criminals are.
yeah our cops really need to get their kill totals up
More like criminals on the streets total down, hombre
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I kind of wish the police shot more criminals, and I don't care what color any of the criminals are.
yeah our cops really need to get their kill totals up
More like criminals on the streets total down, hombre
totally
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Kansas State University Police investigating incident
By Division of Communications and Marketing
On Friday, May 5, the Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity received notification of a noose hanging from a tree on the Manhattan campus. It was removed and the Kansas State University Police Department is investigating. Anyone with information should call 785-532-6412 or email [email protected].
The reason for the noose is unknown, but Kansas State University reminds K-Staters about the Principles of Community. We stand united against all forms of discrimination.
This is a stressful time of year and anyone who has concerns should contact Counseling Services at 785-532-6977, [email protected]; the Office of Student Life, 785-532-6432, [email protected]; the Office of Institutional Equity at 785-532-6220, [email protected]; or the Office of Diversity, 785-532-6276, [email protected].
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Good grief
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dammit Lon
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eff that
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I see racism is alive and well on campus. Some things never change.
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:RacistFlush:
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false flag attack from lil bro
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:frown:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170505/d8fdda23d09c1654405e6ca6930ad502.jpg)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/05/edward-crawford-protesters-from-iconic-ferguson-photo-dead-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-in-st-louis/?utm_term=.8531da6d07c4[IMG]
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Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity
What in the actual eff? :facepalm:
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Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity
What in the actual eff? :facepalm:
FSD is against Title VI and IX?
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obviously he doesn't think it's needed, just get in the way of his male dominance
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Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity
What in the actual eff? :facepalm:
Not that anyone is surprised, but it's important to point out that FSD is more upset about the fact of the existence of the Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity than he is the fact that there was a noose hanging from a tree on-campus.
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For some people it is hard to look at the world from anyone else's point of view. They put a lot of stock in the adversity they have overcome, possibly overvalue it and their success, and look down on others who haven't achieved what they have. They pay no mind to any advantage they were granted at birth and only focus on the struggles they overcame. It inflates their ego to the point that they discount anything that helps others. They feel that any injustice they overcame is tantamount to any injustice anyone that has ever experienced.
Sidebar: I often leave out words when typing much like I leave out context or train of thought when conversing.
It's something I personally have dealt with in the addict community. I sometimes lack empathy for others when I'm doing well, but i want everyone to stop everything for me when I'm wasted. Sometimes from the same people I ignored or looked down upon. Being in an Oxford House helped. One moment I'll never forget, I was walking into Wal Mart and I saw a couple hugging and very much in love. My first thought was about how ugly they both were. I took a few more steps and thought. You're better looking, sure, but they are happy and in love you are not.
Anger is rarely dissected. It's what makes us angry and why is what is important. I find that when I am happy little bothers me. When I am pissed I try to figure out what is going on in my own life that let a person or occurrence anger me so. (I've been bad about doing this lately)
To tie this ramble back in, I assume that FSD has overcome some crap in his life and was never given support or hand outs. He made himself and is proud. It pisses him off when other people get help. When he wasn't, or doesn't recognize the, help(ed) that he received. I believe he and I have some things in common and also disagree on much. I can be an angry son of a bitch myself.
I'm also bummed that FSD isn't who I thought he was. So it's weird that all of the libel I tossed out rang true. Or perhaps he lies about where he lives.
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I don't expect anyone to read all of that. I started typing and as my brain does I tangented myself off without any defined connection.
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38062.msg1616309#msg1616309
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For some people it is hard to look at the world from anyone else's point of view. They put a lot of stock in the adversity they have overcome, possibly overvalue it and their success, and look down on others who haven't achieved what they have. They pay no mind to any advantage they were granted at birth and only focus on the struggles they overcame. It inflates their ego to the point that they discount anything that helps others. They feel that any injustice they overcame is tantamount to any injustice anyone that has ever experienced.
Sidebar: I often leave out words when typing much like I leave out context or train of thought when conversing.
It's something I personally have dealt with in the addict community. I sometimes lack empathy for others when I'm doing well, but i want everyone to stop everything for me when I'm wasted. Sometimes from the same people I ignored or looked down upon. Being in an Oxford House helped. One moment I'll never forget, I was walking into Wal Mart and I saw a couple hugging and very much in love. My first thought was about how ugly they both were. I took a few more steps and thought. You're better looking, sure, but they are happy and in love you are not.
Anger is rarely dissected. It's what makes us angry and why is what is important. I find that when I am happy little bothers me. When I am pissed I try to figure out what is going on in my own life that let a person or occurrence anger me so. (I've been bad about doing this lately)
To tie this ramble back in, I assume that FSD has overcome some crap in his life and was never given support or hand outs. He made himself and is proud. It pisses him off when other people get help. When he wasn't, or doesn't recognize the, help(ed) that he received. I believe he and I have some things in common and also disagree on much. I can be an angry son of a bitch myself.
I'm also bummed that FSD isn't who I thought he was. So it's weird that all of the libel I tossed out rang true. Or perhaps he lies about where he lives.
I assume that FSD has overcome some crap in his life and was never given support or hand outs.
Don't make assumptions, SDK. That's what the FSD's of the world do. That and object to Title VI and IX.
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Hahaha I'll admit when I assume wrong
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Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity
What in the actual eff? :facepalm:
Not that anyone is surprised, but it's important to point out that FSD is more upset about the fact of the existence of the Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity than he is the fact that there was a noose hanging from a tree on-campus.
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Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity
What in the actual eff? :facepalm:
Not that anyone is surprised, but it's important to point out that FSD is more upset about the fact of the existence of the Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity than he is the fact that there was a noose hanging from a tree on-campus.
Just noting the Orwellian name.
Jfc, assholes, take your rage and desperation out on somebody else.
And unless somebody or something thing is hanging from that noose, throw it away and move on. People do stupid crap all the time. Ignore it. You'll have a much more fulfilling life if you stop trying to "get" everyone.
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I wonder if that is the office charged with suppressing free speech and creating safe spaces.
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That office is triggering some people
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That office is triggering some people
Apparently charged with hurting fsd's feelings :frown:
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I agree making a story of it makes it A bigger deal. FSD is also on a constant social morphine drip
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He would complain about anything
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He only thinks of his life and nothing else
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He is a product of society though he will never admit it. The weak live now.
I recognize that would mean I wouldn't live either and that is good. Walks hand in hand with me not bring a dad and 31
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FSD will never admit it, but survival of the fittest would have never allowed him to breath. It's easy to be harsh when an adult, it's hard to admit that you were helped
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weird amount of projection on display.
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So you aren't the owner of a company Manhattan?
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So you aren't the owner of a company Manhattan?
I actually do own a piece of a business in Manhattan, but am not involved in management.
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Of course he owns part of a business dummy, geez
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Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity
What in the actual eff? :facepalm:
Not that anyone is surprised, but it's important to point out that FSD is more upset about the fact of the existence of the Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity than he is the fact that there was a noose hanging from a tree on-campus.
Just noting the Orwellian name.
Jfc, assholes, take your rage and desperation out on somebody else.
And unless somebody or something thing is hanging from that noose, throw it away and move on. People do stupid crap all the time. Ignore it. You'll have a much more fulfilling life if you stop trying to "get" everyone.
Nooses hanging from trees. No big deal.
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I wonder if that is the office charged with suppressing free speech and creating safe spaces.
Please provide evidence of the Kansas State University Office of Institutional Equity suppressing free speech or creating safe spaces.
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Oh, bucketard :D
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So you aren't the owner of a company Manhattan?
I actually do own a piece of a business in Manhattan, but am not involved in management.
And this whole time I though you owned a siding company
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i think most of us assumed he did as well.
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What a shame. Life was more fun in those days
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https://twitter.com/MAL_IS_BAD_/status/1272935001945001989?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1272935001945001989&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F06%2Faborted-black-babies-matter-epic-watch-black-man-silence-woke-healthcare-workers-protesting-black-lives-matter-video%2F (https://twitter.com/MAL_IS_BAD_/status/1272935001945001989?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1272935001945001989&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F06%2Faborted-black-babies-matter-epic-watch-black-man-silence-woke-healthcare-workers-protesting-black-lives-matter-video%2F)
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https://twitter.com/MAL_IS_BAD_/status/1272935001945001989?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1272935001945001989&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F06%2Faborted-black-babies-matter-epic-watch-black-man-silence-woke-healthcare-workers-protesting-black-lives-matter-video%2F (https://twitter.com/MAL_IS_BAD_/status/1272935001945001989?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1272935001945001989&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F06%2Faborted-black-babies-matter-epic-watch-black-man-silence-woke-healthcare-workers-protesting-black-lives-matter-video%2F)
it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
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Epic watch
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
So, I should be disturbed that they have easier access to inexpensive healthcare?
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
So, I should be disturbed that they have easier access to inexpensive healthcaremurder?
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
That is a bonkers worldview. Even if you’re an abortion=murder religious zealot, it is bonkers beyond that.
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
That is a bonkers worldview. Even if you’re an abortion=murder religious zealot, it is bonkers beyond that.
Can you elaborate?
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
That is a bonkers worldview. Even if you’re an abortion=murder religious zealot, it is bonkers beyond that.
Can you elaborate?
Sure. It is bonkers to think that placing Planned Parenthood in the poor and marginalized places it is meant to serve (80% african American/Latino according to you) is systemically racist against the communities it is providing services to.
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
That is a bonkers worldview. Even if you’re an abortion=murder religious zealot, it is bonkers beyond that.
Can you elaborate?
Sure. It is bonkers to think that placing Planned Parenthood in the poor and marginalized places it is meant to serve (80% african American/Latino according to you) is systemically racist against the communities it is providing services to.
Welp, guess I'm bonkers for not wanting black babies to be murdered.
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Within walking distance of black or Hispanics communities
Lol there are people who legit think like that
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Setting aside how much abortion vs. other services PP provides, the facilities are clearly placed to efficiently provide services requested by those communities. You just think that they shouldn’t want those services.
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All fetuses don't matter.
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
That is a bonkers worldview. Even if you’re an abortion=murder religious zealot, it is bonkers beyond that.
Can you elaborate?
Sure. It is bonkers to think that placing Planned Parenthood in the poor and marginalized places it is meant to serve (80% african American/Latino according to you) is systemically racist against the communities it is providing services to.
Welp, guess I'm bonkers for not wanting black babies to be murdered.
It’s insulting that you think they’re too lazy to get a ride to another neighborhood.
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It’s insulting that you think they’re too lazy to get a ride to another neighborhood.
haha that was never implied or believed. nice reach dork.
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you know planned parenthood does more things besides abortion, right?
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you know planned parenthood does more things besides abortion, right?
Impossible. If that were true, I would have heard about it by now.
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you know planned parenthood does more things besides abortion, right?
Impossible. If that were true, I would have heard about it by now.
Also, when they come into your African American or Latino neighborhood, they round up all the pregnant women and abort their babies. That’s what I heard anyway
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Planned parenthood is in poor communities because they are lacking the services that planned parenthood provides and that is part of planned parenthood's mission. Wealthier communities have those services provided by other providers already.
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you know planned parenthood does more things besides abortion, right?
Well they do and they don't. They are responsible for less than 2% of the nations breast exams and cancer screenings.
https://www.liveaction.org/learn/3percent/ (https://www.liveaction.org/learn/3percent/)
And even if they do things other than abortion they still abort more babies than any other health care provider. And work with me here, if one believes that abortion is murder, which I do, then the reasonable response would be to advocate as much as possible for their rights since they are the most vulnerable population.
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I guess I’m not understanding why it’s a racial issue to you then.
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I guess I’m not understanding why it’s a racial issue to you then.
He thinks rich white people aren't getting abortions. Only black and Hispanic. And apparently they're be forced into abortions.
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it's like an old person taking a photo of another old person's facebook post on his laptop screen and posting that photo on his own facebook page
I'm far more concerned with the message of that post than properly formatting a tweet on this blog.
You want systemic racism? Well here it is. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. If you really care about black lives then this should disturb you.
That is a bonkers worldview. Even if you’re an abortion=murder religious zealot, it is bonkers beyond that.
Can you elaborate?
Sure. It is bonkers to think that placing Planned Parenthood in the poor and marginalized places it is meant to serve (80% african American/Latino according to you) is systemically racist against the communities it is providing services to.
Welp, guess I'm bonkers for not wanting black babies to be murdered.
Do you think the reason black people have more abortions than white people is that they have better access, or is it something else?
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Pretty amazing seeing dumbasses like kazz dub ITT, also probably my favorite quote:
I kind of wish the police shot more criminals, and I don't care what color any of the criminals are.
Sock or no, that's a fun one to defend now
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our MAGA posters have long and storied histories of being awful human beings, yes.
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goWokeBoomer.com
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our MAGA posters have long and storied histories of being awful human beings, yes.
when looking back at the start of this thread it's good to see stunted has toned down the racism quite a bit
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our MAGA posters have long and storied histories of being awful human beings, yes.
when looking back at the start of this thread it's good to see stunted has toned down the racism quite a bit
gato/Tubesock has been able to stay on brand though.
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our MAGA posters have long and storied histories of being awful human beings, yes.
when looking back at the start of this thread it's good to see stunted has toned down the racism quite a bit
He was a kid trolling people, same with Ell Roberson is innocent in the trayvon martin thread. Young people are generally idiots that have no clue about the impact of their words, this is especially true for younger millennials and gen Zers who have spent their entire lives shitposting and not having actual face-to face human interaction.
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isn't he like 35 by now?
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It's great to see Liberal Politicians in hotbeds of racial unrest and home to multi-generational racist policing so willing to tackle this problem at the grass roots. By targeting the administration that has launched multiple civil rights investigations into the actions of racist thug cops in multi-generational Liberal strongholds.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1032164/bill-de-blasio-black-lives-matter-mural-trump-tower-new-york/
Particularly knowing the same liberal politicians fully support the Mega Corrupt Racist future Democratic presidential nominee who pushed so very hard to get draconian sentencing legislation passed that explicitly targeted people of color and helped build (black) incarceration nation.
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It's great to see Liberal Politicians in hotbeds of racial unrest and home to multi-generational racist policing so willing to tackle this problem at the grass roots. By targeting the administration that has launched multiple civil rights investigations into the actions of racist thug cops in multi-generational Liberal strongholds.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1032164/bill-de-blasio-black-lives-matter-mural-trump-tower-new-york/
Particularly knowing the same liberal politicians fully support the Mega Corrupt Racist future Democratic presidential nominee who pushed so very hard to get draconian sentencing legislation passed that explicitly targeted people of color and helped build (black) incarceration nation.
Imagine this being your world view. Get some help dax, seriously.
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deblasio actually sucks, but LOL at implying Trump is leading the fight against racist thug cops
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It's great to see Liberal Politicians in hotbeds of racial unrest and home to multi-generational racist policing so willing to tackle this problem at the grass roots. By targeting the administration that has launched multiple civil rights investigations into the actions of racist thug cops in multi-generational Liberal strongholds.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1032164/bill-de-blasio-black-lives-matter-mural-trump-tower-new-york/
Particularly knowing the same liberal politicians fully support the Mega Corrupt Racist future Democratic presidential nominee who pushed so very hard to get draconian sentencing legislation passed that explicitly targeted people of color and helped build (black) incarceration nation.
Imagine this being your world view. Get some help dax, seriously.
You're going to fall right in line like a good little Jack Booted lib and support your old white racist war monger just like you did the last one.
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deblasio actually sucks, but LOL at implying Trump is leading the fight against racist thug cops
Your guy had 8 years: Hope and (nothing) changed
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deblasio actually sucks, but LOL at implying Trump is leading the fight against racist thug cops
Your guy had 8 years: Hope and (nothing) changed
yeah obama sucked at fixing police, he did absolutely nothing. (I'm 100% serious)
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deblasio actually sucks, but LOL at implying Trump is leading the fight against racist thug cops
Your guy had 8 years: Hope and (nothing) changed
yeah obama sucked at fixing police, he did absolutely nothing. (I'm 100% serious)
Republicans are spearheading a police reform bill in the Senate and your POS Congress woman might as well just put on the mini-stache, arm band and jack boots in her attempts to stop it.
She was also a total POS about the executive order on police reform, so it appears this another situation where Dems are demanding dictatorial mechanisms out of the executive branch. LOL, it just writes itself.
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Kanye West: “Planned Parenthoods have been placed inside cities by white supremacists to do the Devil’s work."
Feels good to be on the right side of history. :gocho:
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Also slavery was a choice
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shitty interview gene! own it!
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1308191587759947776
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also most of our racist fans are replying to that tweet mad at gene because he let them have "BLM" on the jersey in the first place. :frown:
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Our fans are terrible for the most part.
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also most of our racist fans are replying to that tweet mad at gene because he let them have "BLM" on the jersey in the first place. :frown:
Are all KSU fans who don't back the BLM movement 100% racist?
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I think taking personal offense to the statement "black lives matter" is a pretty good indicator that you might have some sort of racism problem.
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I think taking personal offense to the statement "black lives matter" is a pretty good indicator that you might have some sort of racism problem.
Yes
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yeah when the athletes who are playing the sport decide to put a small patch on and you, who sit on the couch and watch it, lose your crap over that decision it's a decent indicator
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The racist idea I kept coming up against was the idea that the athletes owe something to the university and are lucky to have their fair market value artificially capped.
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The racist idea I kept coming up against was the idea that the athletes owe something to the university and are lucky to have their fair market value artificially capped.
But how does wearing a patch interact with that? It hurts literally no one (except super stupid racists).
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I think the worst part of the interview is gene trying to win back the racists and seemed to be looking forward to not having the patch because it makes racists so mad.
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also most of our racist fans are replying to that tweet mad at gene because he let them have "BLM" on the jersey in the first place. :frown:
Are all KSU fans who don't back the BLM movement 100% racist?
Lot of people have chimed in but I will too — yes, you are racist.
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also most of our racist fans are replying to that tweet mad at gene because he let them have "BLM" on the jersey in the first place. :frown:
Are all KSU fans who don't back the BLM movement 100% racist?
Yes. Also anyone who has ever said All Lives Matter as a qualifier.
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Maybe purpwood has a perfectly valid reason for thinking black lives don't matter?
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i am willing to listen...
unless it turns into one of thos "what if we had a "White History Month" kind of things.
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Gene acting all surprised at the blowback is the most frustrating part. The patch was obviously going to be controversial and receive blowback.
The people ITT who can't understand why people might not like the patch, unrelated to racism, are being disingenuous IMO.
IDGAF about the patch, but I at least understand that people can disapprove of it while also believing that disproportionate violence against black people exists and is unjust.
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Gene acting all surprised at the blowback is the most frustrating part. The patch was obviously going to be controversial and receive blowback.
The people ITT who can't understand why people might not like the patch, unrelated to racism, are being disingenuous IMO.
IDGAF about the patch, but I at least understand that people can disapprove of it while also believing that disproportionate violence against black people exists and is unjust.
Yeah, about 10 people just posted the reason those people can disapprove of the patch.
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Gene acting all surprised at the blowback is the most frustrating part. The patch was obviously going to be controversial and receive blowback.
The people ITT who can't understand why people might not like the patch, unrelated to racism, are being disingenuous IMO.
IDGAF about the patch, but I at least understand that people can disapprove of it while also believing that disproportionate violence against black people exists and is unjust.
Yeah, about 10 people just posted the reason those people can disapprove of the patch.
No, they just piled on calling people who don't approve of it racist (which they may or may not be!).
This is the problem, when you have a high profile social/political movement share a name with an otherwise unobjectionable statement. Yes, black lives matter. In a vacuum, that phrase is obviously unobjectionable. But that phrase is also associated with a political/social movement whose tenets some people find pretty objectionable.
Gene having to clarify "whoa whoa whoa we weren't referencing the organization!" is why the nomenclature of Black Lives Matter is complicated (also another testament to the braintrust that runs K-State's PR). Pretending that the phrase doesn't carry any meaning other than the literal one is obtuse. IMO!
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disliking the patch is not "unrelated to racism"
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disliking the patch is not "unrelated to racism"
It certainly can be when the patch is associated with a movement whose positions exceed what can be reasonably described as anti-racism/anti-discrimination.
Not for nothing, but it can also be "unrelated to racism" if you just don't want political/social values promoted on K-State's uniforms in general. Though I think that's probably way more rare -- I'm not sure I heard a ton of people complain about the Ft. Riley patches, for example.
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FWIW i also think people pulling season tickets is a titch overdramatic.
But my point is, the patch is legitimately controversial. I think there are valid reasons for wanting it on there, and valid (and also some other, racist) reasons for not wanting it on there. Given the obvious and predictable blowback that such a controversial decision would cause at a time when the AD is in a bad spot financially, I thought it was a pretty courageous move by the AD to include that patch (i haven't seen it on any other unis this CFB season). But then Gene gets back and acts like "gee I was little surprised we got some blowback" and then it made me think that maybe it wasn't such a courageous decision after all, and maybe instead Gene is just an idiot.
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I'm confused by people who aren't able to distinguish any of the many organizations (very loosely defined, and some grifts themselves!) that have Black Lives Matter in their name from the words "Black Lives Matter."
There's also a lot of people who can distinguish it but choose not to.
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I'm confused by people who aren't able to distinguish any of the many organizations (very loosely defined, and some grifts themselves!) that have Black Lives Matter in their name from the words "Black Lives Matter."
There's also a lot of people who can distinguish it but choose not to.
I wonder if the confusion has anything to do with the words being exactly the same.
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I think the team probably wanted the patches on their uniforms because they don't like racism.
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Acting like you didn't expect blowback is basically admitting you haven't tried to understand the entire movement going on.
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I, too, can imagine a scenario in which one objects to the patch for non-racist reasons. That has absolutely nothing to do with my ability to recognize what all available evidence tells me about these particular people and their basis for objecting to the patch.
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I think the team should continue wearing the patch even if Gene tells them not to. It's their first amendment right and there is absolutely nothing the university can do about it.
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I think the team should continue wearing the patch even if Gene tells them not to. It's their first amendment right and there is absolutely nothing the university can do about it.
I would assume the patch was agreed upon as part of negotiations to get the players back to practice after racist tweetgate. It isn't going anywhere, nor should it. The "damage" is already done anyways.
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disliking the patch is not "unrelated to racism"
It certainly can be when the patch is associated with a movement whose positions exceed what can be reasonably described as anti-racism/anti-discrimination.
IMO those "positions" have been deliberately misinterpreted/misconstrued/blown out of proportion by racists. And I think it lets a lot of casual racists breathe a sigh of relief
FWIW i also think people pulling season tickets is a titch overdramatic.
But my point is, the patch is legitimately controversial. I think there are valid reasons for wanting it on there, and valid (and also some other, racist) reasons for not wanting it on there. Given the obvious and predictable blowback that such a controversial decision would cause at a time when the AD is in a bad spot financially, I thought it was a pretty courageous move by the AD to include that patch (i haven't seen it on any other unis this CFB season). But then Gene gets back and acts like "gee I was little surprised we got some blowback" and then it made me think that maybe it wasn't such a courageous decision after all, and maybe instead Gene is just an idiot.
I agree it's controversial, but the right thing for Gene to do is to tell people who object to it to eff off (or more diplomatically say "This is the right thing to do and is more important than your ticket money")
pretty sure KU wore a "BLM Unity" patch. Also worth noting not every campus had a high-profile racist student controversy this summer.
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the patch reminds me of one of those old timey optical illusions where some people see a beautiful lady but if you look at it a different way you see some ugly old gal. it's unobjectionable and very objectionable at the same time.
it'd be helpful if, instead of the name of the organization who gets into a lot of economic stuff, the zeitgeist phrase was something only slightly different but still meant the same thing, so as to avoid any confusion. "We Support Black Lives" or something to that effect.
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I think the team probably wanted the patches on their uniforms because they don't like racism.
Pretty sure it was actually about destroying nuclear families. We all know that's what it REALLY means
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I'm confused by people who aren't able to distinguish any of the many organizations (very loosely defined, and some grifts themselves!) that have Black Lives Matter in their name from the words "Black Lives Matter."
There's also a lot of people who can distinguish it but choose not to.
I wonder if the confusion has anything to do with the words being exactly the same.
I'm sure it is for people who don't know anything about what an organization is or how one comes to be, or for those who want to feign confusion.
I dug deep into this a few months back when I saw news stories here that said "Black Lives Matter" was suing the city and wondered how a concept can sue. I pulled the case and saw what "Black Lives Matter" actually was in that context, a small local nonprofit that came to be for tax-exemption purposes, legal qualifications like that suit, shielding from personal liability, etc. Looking it up on the SOS site, I found there are a number of such groups just in this state alone. For obvious reasons, they all like to profess that they are Black Lives Matter.
Then there's the group that got the best website name, and the one that Dax cryptically refers to with its 16 chapters (none of which are the local crew purporting to be Black Lives Matter and suing with that name). Looks like they've removed the chapter list since I looked before and now there's reference to 40 chapters. Overall they purport to be a "network."
Any of us could start our own Black Lives Matter group that would stand for whatever we say it does. Nobody controls the term. But normal people can know that it simply means that Black lives matter too.
The wikipedia page does a great job explaining all this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter
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the patch reminds me of one of those old timey optical illusions where some people see a beautiful lady but if you look at it a different way you see some ugly old gal. it's unobjectionable and very objectionable at the same time.
it'd be helpful if, instead of the name of the organization who gets into a lot of economic stuff, the zeitgeist phrase was something only slightly different but still meant the same thing, so as to avoid any confusion. "We Support Black Lives" or something to that effect.
I see what you are saying and I agree. I think that's why you see a lot of organizations rephrasing their social justice stance to not use simply "black lives matter"
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the patch reminds me of one of those old timey optical illusions where some people see a beautiful lady but if you look at it a different way you see some ugly old gal. it's unobjectionable and very objectionable at the same time.
it'd be helpful if, instead of the name of the organization who gets into a lot of economic stuff, the zeitgeist phrase was something only slightly different but still meant the same thing, so as to avoid any confusion. "We Support Black Lives" or something to that effect.
It's really only unobjectionable.
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disliking the patch is not "unrelated to racism"
It certainly can be when the patch is associated with a movement whose positions exceed what can be reasonably described as anti-racism/anti-discrimination.
IMO those "positions" have been deliberately misinterpreted/misconstrued/blown out of proportion by racists. And I think it lets a lot of casual racists breathe a sigh of relief
While I think that's probably true in some respects, but I don't think it's fair to completely ignore or discount the context.
Like it or not, support it or not, the Black Lives Matter (the org) does/did have a platform (or whatever you want to call it) of some fairly radical left wing ideas (apparently they removed their page on "What we believe" from the BLM website in the last day or two).
I'm sure you're already familiar, but the disruption of the nuclear family stuff, the "trained marxists" stuff. Like, that all exists and there's plenty of reasons, independent of race, to object to that stuff. This is a remarkably complex topic, and to boil it down to "people who don't support Black Lives Matter are racists" is far too simple.
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disliking the patch is not "unrelated to racism"
It certainly can be when the patch is associated with a movement whose positions exceed what can be reasonably described as anti-racism/anti-discrimination.
IMO those "positions" have been deliberately misinterpreted/misconstrued/blown out of proportion by racists. And I think it lets a lot of casual racists breathe a sigh of relief
While I think that's probably true in some respects, but I don't think it's fair to completely ignore or discount the context.
Like it or not, support it or not, the Black Lives Matter (the org) does/did have a platform (or whatever you want to call it) of some fairly radical left wing ideas (apparently they removed their page on "What we believe" from the BLM website in the last day or two).
I'm sure you're already familiar, but the disruption of the nuclear family stuff, the "trained marxists" stuff. Like, that all exists and there's plenty of reasons, independent of race, to object to that stuff. This is a remarkably complex topic, and to boil it down to "people who don't support Black Lives Matter are racists" is far too simple.
To Trim's point there is no one BLM "org". One doesn't get to declare the idea/platforms no matter the domain they registered.
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I'm confused by people who aren't able to distinguish any of the many organizations (very loosely defined, and some grifts themselves!) that have Black Lives Matter in their name from the words "Black Lives Matter."
There's also a lot of people who can distinguish it but choose not to.
I wonder if the confusion has anything to do with the words being exactly the same.
I'm sure it is for people who don't know anything about what an organization is or how one comes to be, or for those who want to feign confusion.
I dug deep into this a few months back when I saw news stories here that said "Black Lives Matter" was suing the city and wondered how a concept can sue. I pulled the case and saw what "Black Lives Matter" actually was in that context, a small local nonprofit that came to be for tax-exemption purposes, legal qualifications like that suit, shielding from personal liability, etc. Looking it up on the SOS site, I found there are a number of such groups just in this state alone. For obvious reasons, they all like to profess that they are Black Lives Matter.
Then there's the group that got the best website name, and the one that Dax cryptically refers to with its 16 chapters (none of which are the local crew purporting to be Black Lives Matter and suing with that name). Looks like they've removed the chapter list since I looked before and now there's reference to 40 chapters. Overall they purport to be a "network."
Any of us could start our own Black Lives Matter group that would stand for whatever we say it does. Nobody controls the term. But normal people can know that it simply means that Black lives matter too.
The wikipedia page does a great job explaining all this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter
I think the team probably wanted the patches on their uniforms because they don't like racism.
Pretty sure it was actually about destroying nuclear families. We all know that's what it REALLY means
disliking the patch is not "unrelated to racism"
It certainly can be when the patch is associated with a movement whose positions exceed what can be reasonably described as anti-racism/anti-discrimination.
IMO those "positions" have been deliberately misinterpreted/misconstrued/blown out of proportion by racists. And I think it lets a lot of casual racists breathe a sigh of relief
While I think that's probably true in some respects, but I don't think it's fair to completely ignore or discount the context.
Like it or not, support it or not, the Black Lives Matter (the org) does/did have a platform (or whatever you want to call it) of some fairly radical left wing ideas (apparently they removed their page on "What we believe" from the BLM website in the last day or two).
I'm sure you're already familiar, but the disruption of the nuclear family stuff, the "trained marxists" stuff. Like, that all exists and there's plenty of reasons, independent of race, to object to that stuff. This is a remarkably complex topic, and to boil it down to "people who don't support Black Lives Matter are racists" is far too simple.
To Trim's point there is no one BLM "org". One doesn't get to declare the idea/platforms no matter the domain they registered.
And you guys still don't think that any of this may be a little confusing?
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I don't think it's all that confusing. People find the statement "black lives matter" offensive and have since people first started saying it. These people are racists. I guess it's possible that the "all lives matter" people are more narcissistic than racist, but I think you also kind of have to be narcissistic on some level to be racist, anyway.
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I don't think it's all that confusing. People find the statement "black lives matter" offensive and have since people first started saying it. These people are racists. I guess it's possible that the "all lives matter" people are more narcissistic than racist, but I think you also kind of have to be narcissistic on some level to be racist, anyway.
eh fair enough, i guess.
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And you guys still don't think that any of this may be a little confusing?
No. But I’m also good with business structures and basic formation concepts being taught earlier in school to everyone. I’ve had to do this same explanation to college student workers at Threads scared about printing “EMAW.”
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I'm sure you're already familiar, but the disruption of the nuclear family stuff, the "trained marxists" stuff. Like, that all exists and there's plenty of reasons, independent of race, to object to that stuff. This is a remarkably complex topic, and to boil it down to "people who don't support Black Lives Matter are racists" is far too simple.
If they aren't racist, they're very heavily influenced by racists because they haven't actually done any research about those two items (which are the only attempts at non-racist criticism I've seen).
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If the football team wins lots of games, the donors who were mad about BLM will no longer care that the team supports BLM. It will turn into "I just wish they wouldn't do it" versus "I won't support/watch them if they do it."
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i am more upset by the fact that the players chose "Black Lives Matter" over "Marxism Rules, Nuclear Families Drool"
clearly a missed opportunity in terms of messaging.
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gene should not have been surprised by the blowback only because he should have known we have an unfortunate amount of racist fans. but hey, that's kansas. if you can't love us at our worst, etc.
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counterpoint, maybe gene decided to come to KSU based solely off goEMAW and our relatively low number of racist posters (earned over years of back breaking work).
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I'm sure you're already familiar, but the disruption of the nuclear family stuff, the "trained marxists" stuff. Like, that all exists and there's plenty of reasons, independent of race, to object to that stuff. This is a remarkably complex topic, and to boil it down to "people who don't support Black Lives Matter are racists" is far too simple.
If they aren't racist, they're very heavily influenced by racists because they haven't actually done any research about those two items (which are the only attempts at non-racist criticism I've seen).
What research would one need to do about the "trained marxists" admission that would quell any concerns an otherwise well-meaning person would have about the Black Lives Matter org? I've done a little research and, as i recall, it seemed pretty unapologetic -- also explains all the cringe "comrade" verbiage they use/used. I think it's valid to be concerned that K-State may be tacitly supporting an organization that is run by self-described "trained marxists" -- even if I don't think that's what K-State meant or is actually doing.
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I mean, I get the point that "black lives matter" is not "Black Lives Matter" - I just think that's a little confusing for the average joe and am willing to give the benefit of the doubt. But what I don't get is Rusty's point that there's actually nothing reasonably objectionable about the organization Black Lives Matter -- assuming that's actually Rusty's point.
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I mean, I get the point that "black lives matter" is not "Black Lives Matter" - I just think that's a little confusing for the average joe and am willing to give the benefit of the doubt. But what I don't get is Rusty's point that there's actually nothing reasonably objectionable about the organization Black Lives Matter -- assuming that's actually Rusty's point.
There's no single organization that is "Black Lives Matter."
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What research would one need to do about the "trained marxists" admission that would quell any concerns an otherwise well-meaning person would have about the Black Lives Matter org? I've done a little research and, as i recall, it seemed pretty unapologetic -- also explains all the cringe "comrade" verbiage they use/used. I think it's valid to be concerned that K-State may be tacitly supporting an organization that is run by self-described "trained marxists" -- even if I don't think that's what K-State meant or is actually doing.
what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
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I’m struggling to understand why it would be objectionable no matter what they meant by BLM. I don’t think the fans that disapprove necessarily have to be racist, but even if they’re not, I don’t think they’re any better than racists.
The “shut up and entertain me” attitude of fans is gross 100% of the time. And more broadly the “not the right place for this discussion” has been a rallying cry for racists since forever.
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What research would one need to do about the "trained marxists" admission that would quell any concerns an otherwise well-meaning person would have about the Black Lives Matter org? I've done a little research and, as i recall, it seemed pretty unapologetic -- also explains all the cringe "comrade" verbiage they use/used. I think it's valid to be concerned that K-State may be tacitly supporting an organization that is run by self-described "trained marxists" -- even if I don't think that's what K-State meant or is actually doing.
what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
i think the obvious meaning is that the professed leaders/founders believe in the tenets of marxism and consider themselves trained in pursuing marx's goals.
i haven't been following the movement very closely, so i don't know the answer to your second question. but i think it's reasonable to be suspicious of an organization that was founded by people who profess to be marxists, just as i would be if they professed to be nazis -- regardless of whether i was aware of any actions on their part enacting their professed beliefs.
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I’m struggling to understand why it would be objectionable no matter what they meant by BLM. I don’t think the fans that disapprove necessarily have to be racist, but even if they’re not, I don’t think they’re any better than racists.
The “shut up and entertain me” attitude of fans is gross 100% of the time. And more broadly the “not the right place for this discussion” has been a rallying cry for racists since forever.
Yeah the best "not racist" argument I can come up with is "any political message shouldn't be part of sports/uniforms/teams with different opinions" and really that just boils down to treating players as inhuman entertainment machines that shouldn't have opinions which is just as gross.
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I’m struggling to understand why it would be objectionable no matter what they meant by BLM. I don’t think the fans that disapprove necessarily have to be racist, but even if they’re not, I don’t think they’re any better than racists.
The “shut up and entertain me” attitude of fans is gross 100% of the time. And more broadly the “not the right place for this discussion” has been a rallying cry for racists since forever.
Yeah the best "not racist" argument I can come up with is "any political message shouldn't be part of sports/uniforms/teams with different opinions" and really that just boils down to treating players as inhuman entertainment machines that shouldn't have opinions which is just as gross.
IMO, it's particularly gross when you have a system in place to artificially limit their earnings
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What research would one need to do about the "trained marxists" admission that would quell any concerns an otherwise well-meaning person would have about the Black Lives Matter org? I've done a little research and, as i recall, it seemed pretty unapologetic -- also explains all the cringe "comrade" verbiage they use/used. I think it's valid to be concerned that K-State may be tacitly supporting an organization that is run by self-described "trained marxists" -- even if I don't think that's what K-State meant or is actually doing.
what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
i think the obvious meaning is that the professed leaders/founders believe in the tenets of marxism and consider themselves trained in pursuing marx's goals.
i haven't been following the movement very closely, so i don't know the answer to your second question. but i think it's reasonable to be suspicious of an organization that was founded by people who profess to be marxists, just as i would be if they professed to be nazis -- regardless of whether i was aware of any actions on their part enacting their professed beliefs.
We should be suspicious of NASA and hell the Constitution then, those nazis and slave holders. SMDH
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also most of our racist fans are replying to that tweet mad at gene because he let them have "BLM" on the jersey in the first place. :frown:
Are all KSU fans who don't back the BLM movement 100% racist?
Yes. Also anyone who has ever said All Lives Matter as a qualifier.
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lmao. I will defer to DQ12's response on the matter because he has done a nice job of expressing the view of how I think some people look at things. There is a difference between BLM and BLM(org) and that's where confusion lies with people. Do I believe BLM? Of course I do. Do I think BLM(org) is the best way to go about getting the change needed or has handled things in the best way? Probs not.
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What research would one need to do about the "trained marxists" admission that would quell any concerns an otherwise well-meaning person would have about the Black Lives Matter org? I've done a little research and, as i recall, it seemed pretty unapologetic -- also explains all the cringe "comrade" verbiage they use/used. I think it's valid to be concerned that K-State may be tacitly supporting an organization that is run by self-described "trained marxists" -- even if I don't think that's what K-State meant or is actually doing.
what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
i think the obvious meaning is that the professed leaders/founders believe in the tenets of marxism and consider themselves trained in pursuing marx's goals.
i haven't been following the movement very closely, so i don't know the answer to your second question. but i think it's reasonable to be suspicious of an organization that was founded by people who profess to be marxists, just as i would be if they professed to be nazis -- regardless of whether i was aware of any actions on their part enacting their professed beliefs.
We should be suspicious of NASA and hell the Constitution then, those nazis and slave holders. SMDH
i think if you were aware that nasa had a bunch of nazis in it then it's completely reasonable to be suspicious. don't you?
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The issue boils down to the messaging of god forbid we treat certain people based on race with respect getting bogged down with certain inclinations of people who started the idea, without any sort of mass BLM underground network, just like "antifa"
It's a pure scare tactic, and one that if you ask the myriad of people who live around me with black hearts, and BLM signs in their yards that "DID YOU KNOW YOU ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING MARXISTS!?" while sitting in their PV and Leawood mansions, it's a chuckle at the ridiculousness of what is trying to be done. It's all there to once again subjugate the god forbid treating certain people based on race with respect tenement what people really want out of this. It becomes muddled because racists and grifters made it muddled.
It's racist at worst, and dishonest at best trying to shout it down. Ask yourself honestly, if the idea of "black lives matter" came divorced of any origin stories, hell let's say a WASPy ass person started, would it change how you feel about the true message it's trying to say? If it doesn't, there you go.
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What research would one need to do about the "trained marxists" admission that would quell any concerns an otherwise well-meaning person would have about the Black Lives Matter org? I've done a little research and, as i recall, it seemed pretty unapologetic -- also explains all the cringe "comrade" verbiage they use/used. I think it's valid to be concerned that K-State may be tacitly supporting an organization that is run by self-described "trained marxists" -- even if I don't think that's what K-State meant or is actually doing.
what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
i think the obvious meaning is that the professed leaders/founders believe in the tenets of marxism and consider themselves trained in pursuing marx's goals.
i haven't been following the movement very closely, so i don't know the answer to your second question. but i think it's reasonable to be suspicious of an organization that was founded by people who profess to be marxists, just as i would be if they professed to be nazis -- regardless of whether i was aware of any actions on their part enacting their professed beliefs.
We should be suspicious of NASA and hell the Constitution then, those nazis and slave holders. SMDH
i think if you were aware that nasa had a bunch of nazis in it then it's completely reasonable to be suspicious. don't you?
I would be suspicious as to why they got their asses whipped by marxists for the better half a decade, why else bring em back, master race my ass
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what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
i think the obvious meaning is that the professed leaders/founders believe in the tenets of marxism and consider themselves trained in pursuing marx's goals.
i haven't been following the movement very closely, so i don't know the answer to your second question. but i think it's reasonable to be suspicious of an organization that was founded by people who profess to be marxists, just as i would be if they professed to be nazis -- regardless of whether i was aware of any actions on their part enacting their professed beliefs.
I think this does a nice job highlighting why objections to the patches are such a stretch
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
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what does "trained Marxist" mean to you? How have the organizers' actions and/or platforms shown you that they are "trained Marxists" as you define it?
i think the obvious meaning is that the professed leaders/founders believe in the tenets of marxism and consider themselves trained in pursuing marx's goals.
i haven't been following the movement very closely, so i don't know the answer to your second question. but i think it's reasonable to be suspicious of an organization that was founded by people who profess to be marxists, just as i would be if they professed to be nazis -- regardless of whether i was aware of any actions on their part enacting their professed beliefs.
I think this does a nice job highlighting why objections to the patches are such a stretch
jmo, I think the marxism thing coupled with the term structural or systematic racism are vague/unfamiliar/not commonly defined concepts that people struggle with.
I totally agree.
Pros for the patches: Clear positive message that players and coaches support, strong response to the bad look with that racist kid tweeting as far as what the football team can do
Cons: That message also has ties to an organization I don't fully understand who apparently had some founders that are trained marxists, and I don't know exactly what that means but it's bad
if the cons outweigh the pros? you're really reaching. Just looking for an excuse to not say "Black Lives Matter"
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We also had a lot of people on twitter bitching about the school even making a statement about the racist tweets from the wannabe Nazi student, iirc. I truly believe that most of the discomfort comes from people who don't believe that black lives matter.
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if nothing else this thread has brought out my ignorance on the extreme mental gymnastics required to formulate an anti-black lives matter argument. I always assumed it was just racists. now I know it's also racists who don't like being called racists.
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Anyway, like I said, I don't care about the patch. I think it's cool that K-State came out in big support of the message and let the players know the AD is behind them. I think it's unfortunate (though wholly predictable, GENE) that the patches rubbed people the wrong way and an already hurting AD is hurting however much more now. I think it's understandable that people (K-Staters in particular), in good faith, get confused by the BLM stuff, and I also agree that some people feign confusion to cover or rationalize their own racist opposition to the broader movement. I think a lot of this would be solved if the message was slightly distinct from the politically-charged name of the org.
I appreciate Rusty and the others for having the convo. Go cats.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
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We've come up with a lot of maga grift ideas here, but we could also solve this whole problem and maybe make some money by registering a BLM-gE group that has no message other than that black lives indeed matter. Our BLM org could be the one that the patch refers to, at least as to people who insist that it must be the acronym of an org and not of a sentence. And we could sell merch - shirts with Willie pounding a stone with Marx carved in it?
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Athletes of the Kansas state university, unite!
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I doubt the patches will hurt us financially in a meaningful way. That was just Gene being sloppy and dumb.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
I came from that community and have done that in the past, too. It's why I'm now comfortable condemning it as racist. I feel like I've seen both sides to the extent that I can and it's easy to choose between them.
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We've come up with a lot of maga grift ideas here, but we could also solve this whole problem and maybe make some money by registering a BLM-gE group that has no message other than that black lives indeed matter. Our BLM org could be the one that the patch refers to, at least as to people who insist that it must be the acronym of an org and not of a sentence. And we could sell merch - shirts with Willie pounding a stone with Marx carved in it?
BLM but for the actual irl BLM and not the make believe boogie man. seems to solve this entire thing.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
I came from that community and have done that in the past, too. It's why I'm now comfortable condemning it as racist. I feel like I've seen both sides to the extent that I can and it's easy to choose between them.
I want the community to be less racist. To DQ's point, I think Gene and KSU could have used the opportunity to educate our fans on what "Black Lives Matter" means to the players and make people realize they are racist if they are against the patch rather than straight up condemning them like we are or agreeing that the three letter are "controversial" so we'll probably end it like Gene did..
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We've come up with a lot of maga grift ideas here, but we could also solve this whole problem and maybe make some money by registering a BLM-gE group that has no message other than that black lives indeed matter. Our BLM org could be the one that the patch refers to, at least as to people who insist that it must be the acronym of an org and not of a sentence. And we could sell merch - shirts with Willie pounding a stone with Marx carved in it?
BLM but for the actual irl BLM and not the make believe boogie man. seems to solve this entire thing.
BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com
"About us" FAQ
Q: "What does 'Black Lives Matter' even mean?"
A: It means "Black Lives Matter"
Q: "Don't All Lives Matter as well"?
A: Yes
Q: "Isn't 'Black Lives Matter' Marxist"?
A: No
Q: "Do you guys want to pull apart my nuclear family?"
A: No
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We've come up with a lot of maga grift ideas here, but we could also solve this whole problem and maybe make some money by registering a BLM-gE group that has no message other than that black lives indeed matter. Our BLM org could be the one that the patch refers to, at least as to people who insist that it must be the acronym of an org and not of a sentence. And we could sell merch - shirts with Willie pounding a stone with Marx carved in it?
BLM but for the actual irl BLM and not the make believe boogie man. seems to solve this entire thing.
BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com
"About us" FAQ
Q: "What does 'Black Lives Matter' even mean?"
A: It means "Black Lives Matter"
Q: "Don't All Lives Matter as well"?
A: Yes
Q: "Isn't 'Black Lives Matter' Marxist"?
A: No
Q: "Do you guys want to pull apart my nuclear family?"
A: No
Q: "Can I now be against the patch and not be a racist?"
A: You already couldn't but now we've jumped through the extra hoops to address your bad faith arguments.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
But that same benefit of the doubt doesn't seem to extend to people outside of your community.
So why should you get that benefit?
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We've come up with a lot of maga grift ideas here, but we could also solve this whole problem and maybe make some money by registering a BLM-gE group that has no message other than that black lives indeed matter. Our BLM org could be the one that the patch refers to, at least as to people who insist that it must be the acronym of an org and not of a sentence. And we could sell merch - shirts with Willie pounding a stone with Marx carved in it?
BLM but for the actual irl BLM and not the make believe boogie man. seems to solve this entire thing.
BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com
"About us" FAQ
Q: "What does 'Black Lives Matter' even mean?"
A: It means "Black Lives Matter"
Q: "Don't All Lives Matter as well"?
A: Yes
Q: "Isn't 'Black Lives Matter' Marxist"?
A: No
Q: "Do you guys want to pull apart my nuclear family?"
A: No
This is good and I chuckled at it's simplicity. And for the record the patch never bothered me for those it think it might have. You might have to add this one though;
Q: "Do all live matter too?"
A: Yes, you're racist. :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)
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The answer to that one is "yes, racist."
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The answer to that one is "yes, racist."
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Oops, correct.
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BLM is a Marxist oriented organization.
They can be Marxist oriented all they want and smart people can continue to discuss that they are a Marxist oriented organization all the want.
It has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with race.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
But that same benefit of the doubt doesn't seem to extend to people outside of your community.
So why should you get that benefit?
Can you give me an example of what you're referencing? Maybe i'm misunderstanding what you mean by "you/your."
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I didn't see you give any benefit of the doubt to the students and players who were upset over the summer with that race baiter. In fact you implicitly blamed them for making it an issue by reacting.
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I didn't see you give any benefit of the doubt to the students and players who were upset over the summer with that race baiter. In fact you implicitly blamed them for making it an issue by reacting.
I think you've got the wrong guy.
I’ve examined my conscience to determine why I had my change of heart and I settled on this:
I care about Cats football and Cats football players more than everyone’s constitutional rights.
The thing is is that he's not just a lone operator. He's trying to use KSU as his home base to build his movement. It's his organization that KSU should be concerned about. Jaden and Nick want KSU to be Groyper U.
His tweets are partly about broadcasting what he can get away with in Manhattan Kansas, so fellow groypers can join him.
I don't know what the solution is, but appeasement or ignoring won't work. They will keep ratcheting up their rhetoric/actions until they get what they want.
Maybe there could be a grassroots effort for businesses in MHK to deny him.
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I have the right guy. You may have "changed your mind", but you didn't initially give them the benefit of the doubt.
I personally am tried of having to give adults the benefit of the doubt.
Someone says something offensive? Oh they're not really like that, give them the benefit of the doubt. Someone starts a organization on campus founded by a stone cold white supremacists? Ooh wait and see what they do, give them the benefit of the doubt. And so and so on.
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I have the right guy. You may have "changed your mind", but you didn't initially give them the benefit of the doubt.
I personally am tried of having to give adults the benefit of the doubt.
Someone says something offensive? Oh they're not really like that, give them the benefit of the doubt. Someone starts a organization on campus founded by a stone cold white supremacists? Ooh wait and see what they do, give them the benefit of the doubt. And so and so on.
Yeah, initially I said "I wish people wouldn't give him attention" -- oh the horror. What a controversial thing to say.
Then I made clear that I wish we'd kick him out of school, despite acknowledging that would probably be violation his constitutional rights. But yes, you have me pegged as "soft" on whatever that kid's name is.
Again, all I'm saying is that I think you can object to the patch without being a racist. There's obviously disagreement there that depends on however extreme you are on your worldview. If you believe differently, we disagree -- and that's OK.
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We've come up with a lot of maga grift ideas here, but we could also solve this whole problem and maybe make some money by registering a BLM-gE group that has no message other than that black lives indeed matter. Our BLM org could be the one that the patch refers to, at least as to people who insist that it must be the acronym of an org and not of a sentence. And we could sell merch - shirts with Willie pounding a stone with Marx carved in it?
BLM but for the actual irl BLM and not the make believe boogie man. seems to solve this entire thing.
BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com
"About us" FAQ
Q: "What does 'Black Lives Matter' even mean?"
A: It means "Black Lives Matter"
Q: "Don't All Lives Matter as well"?
A: Yes
Q: "Isn't 'Black Lives Matter' Marxist"?
A: No
Q: "Do you guys want to pull apart my nuclear family?"
A: No
Q: "Can I now be against the patch and not be a racist?"
A: You already couldn't but now we've jumped through the extra hoops to address your bad faith arguments.
Let’s do this but without the work of actually registering a non-profit and all that. And by let’s I mean Saul.
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I think the worst part of the interview is gene trying to win back the racists and seemed to be looking forward to not having the patch because it makes racists so mad.
I was severely disappointed about gene's quotes in the interview and I'm definitely going to email him my thoughts.
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I’m struggling to understand why it would be objectionable no matter what they meant by BLM. I don’t think the fans that disapprove necessarily have to be racist, but even if they’re not, I don’t think they’re any better than racists.
The “shut up and entertain me” attitude of fans is gross 100% of the time. And more broadly the “not the right place for this discussion” has been a rallying cry for racists since forever.
Yeah the best "not racist" argument I can come up with is "any political message shouldn't be part of sports/uniforms/teams with different opinions" and really that just boils down to treating players as inhuman entertainment machines that shouldn't have opinions which is just as gross.
Also racist. Tying matters of equity to politicization is done for one reason and one reason only and that's to justify division.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over? The only other thing is the "destruction of the nuclear family" talking point and that only takes one click to see that isn't related to getting rid of fathers, but emphasizing the community or village in raising our children. Again, not remotely objectionable.
If you can't be bothered to research or contextualize this thing you so vehemently oppose, what that tells me is that you think so little about black lives actually mattering that you can't spend 10 minutes learning about it. You can try to put it in whatever light you want to but that is 100%, inextricably tied to race.
I'd take it a step further and say that if you know these things and aren't repeating them every time this subject comes up, you are enabling racism. If there was a standing narrative that white people haven't earned anything honorably in the history of the world, you'd damn sure try to bust that narrative.
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I doubt the patches will hurt us financially in a meaningful way. That was just Gene being sloppy and dumb.
I can tell you that the question was asked because there is some talk that some big money donors were angry, people committed to the building champions campaign, not just a few STHs. Now whether that was just put out there by racists to make them feel better about their racism :dunno:
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Y'all probably won't, but if you want to be helpful, I think you should also respectfully email Gene with your issues about the public stance he took in this interview. I can't be a lone voice here and we can't assume that others will handle it. We're damn sure the racists didn't take for granted that they would be heard. If all of your enlightenment and allyship are confined to this thread you don't have the right to wag your finger at Dlew or anyone else, you're just as functionally useless as those who silently nod at the notion that black lives matter can be dismissed because of Karl Marx.
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No one is dismissing BLM because of Karl Marx, we're just talking about how the leadership of BLM has regularly referred to themselves a Marxian oriented organization.
Countless organizations and entities in these United States are scrutinized and discussed every day in regard to the political leanings of their leadership. Why should BLM be immune from such discussion?
Answer: They shouldn't.
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You can argue whatever, but the history is that people boiled over with frothing rage upon hearing the phrase "black lives matter" long before it was an organization or had any leaderpersons or affiliations.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
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You can argue whatever, but the history is that people boiled over with frothing rage upon hearing the phrase "black lives matter" long before it was an organization or had any leaderpersons or affiliations.
this is a great point. No one gave a rip about "trained marxists" and BLM until June this year. (but "all lives matter" was always there)
(https://i.imgur.com/ADpQdf6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PirqsV9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MHG01P6.png)
(google search trends is pretty cool)
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2014-08-23%202020-09-23&geo=US&q=black%20lives%20matter,all%20lives%20matter
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You can argue whatever, but the history is that people boiled over with frothing rage upon hearing the phrase "black lives matter" long before it was an organization or had any leaderpersons or affiliations.
this is a great point. No one gave a rip about "trained marxists" and BLM until June this year. (but "all lives matter" was always there)
(https://i.imgur.com/ADpQdf6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PirqsV9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MHG01P6.png)
(google search trends is pretty cool)
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2014-08-23%202020-09-23&geo=US&q=black%20lives%20matter,all%20lives%20matter
Saying no one gave a rip until June this year is :lol: :lol:
Good grief.
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You can argue whatever, but the history is that people boiled over with frothing rage upon hearing the phrase "black lives matter" long before it was an organization or had any leaderpersons or affiliations.
this is a great point. No one gave a rip about "trained marxists" and BLM until June this year. (but "all lives matter" was always there)
(https://i.imgur.com/ADpQdf6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PirqsV9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MHG01P6.png)
(google search trends is pretty cool)
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2014-08-23%202020-09-23&geo=US&q=black%20lives%20matter,all%20lives%20matter
FWIW, I think the "trained marxists" bit only came to light relatively recently (though the speech/interview was recorded 4 or 5 years ago).
You're right though, google search trends is cool. What was the atrocity that lead to the spikes in summer/fall of '16?
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
Not in the current climate and certainly not with hundreds of thousands of cRusty's running around.
A universal call for equality and fair treatment for all people has been labeled as racist.
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
Are you familiar with BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com?
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FWIW, I think the "trained marxists" bit only came to light relatively recently (though the speech/interview was recorded 4 or 5 years ago).
You're right though, google search trends is cool. What was the atrocity that lead to the spikes in summer/fall of '16?
Alton Sterling and Philando Castille
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FWIW, I think the "trained marxists" bit only came to light relatively recently (though the speech/interview was recorded 4 or 5 years ago).
You're right though, google search trends is cool. What was the atrocity that lead to the spikes in summer/fall of '16?
Alton Sterling and Philando Castille
God -- and I don't even remember those. Horrible.
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FWIW, I think the "trained marxists" bit only came to light relatively recently (though the speech/interview was recorded 4 or 5 years ago).
You're right though, google search trends is cool. What was the atrocity that lead to the spikes in summer/fall of '16?
Alton Sterling and Philando Castille
God -- and I don't even remember those. Horrible.
Castille was the one who had a legal firearm and had his girlfriend live stream the aftermath on facebook and Sterling was shot while pinned down by two officers. Clips of both are here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Pt1nkw3Mk
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
Are you familiar with BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com?
That's BlackLivesMatter.goEMAW.com!
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Y'all probably won't, but if you want to be helpful, I think you should also respectfully email Gene with your issues about the public stance he took in this interview. I can't be a lone voice here and we can't assume that others will handle it. We're damn sure the racists didn't take for granted that they would be heard. If all of your enlightenment and allyship are confined to this thread you don't have the right to wag your finger at Dlew or anyone else, you're just as functionally useless as those who silently nod at the notion that black lives matter can be dismissed because of Karl Marx.
I sent an email!
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I want the community to be less racist. To DQ's point, I think Gene and KSU could have used the opportunity to educate our fans on what "Black Lives Matter" means to the players and make people realize they are racist if they are against the patch
gene responded to my email. He says he sends this video (or other videos?) to whiners all the time! It was hard to find and I kinda wanted to tell him that he shouldn't have to send it personally.
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1304087486818390019
He also said there would be no patch next home game because we're honoring the Big Red 1.
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I heard the patch was a one-game deal to begin with. That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
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That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
they did
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That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
they did
Oh, I don’t remember it from the broadcast. Prob wasn’t aired. They did air the Unity one that was played before the game.
Furthermore, seeing as they played it, anyone who still has/had a problem with it has other issues imo.
Is it prudent to separate oneself from a smaller number extreme elements that latch on, and in a way usurp, a movement for their own cause? Probably, but it shouldn’t be necessary.
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That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
they did
yeah according to Gene most people who complained hadn't seen the video (I don't think it was aired). IMO the fact that Gene has to share it personally probably shows KSU social media isn't sharing it enough.
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would it be snarky to say "right wrong or indifferent people find the US Military's role as global police force to be controversial?"
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Lol, looking through the replies of people telling him "nuh-uh, BLM is a terrorist/anarchist/marxist organization," I got to this.
https://twitter.com/JadenPMcNeil/status/1304917674963742721
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That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
they did
yeah according to Gene most people who complained hadn't seen the video (I don't think it was aired). IMO the fact that Gene has to share it personally probably shows KSU social media isn't sharing it enough.
I think if Gene is relying on a video that is on social media/played before 8k in the stadium to contextualize the patch then it was strange plan.
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That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
they did
yeah according to Gene most people who complained hadn't seen the video (I don't think it was aired). IMO the fact that Gene has to share it personally probably shows KSU social media isn't sharing it enough.
I think if Gene is relying on a video that is on social media/played before 8k in the stadium to contextualize the patch then it was strange plan.
agreed although I would probably describe the plan as "bad" rather than "strange". Semantics!
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That would have been a great vid to play on the jumbos vs Ark State.
they did
yeah according to Gene most people who complained hadn't seen the video (I don't think it was aired). IMO the fact that Gene has to share it personally probably shows KSU social media isn't sharing it enough.
I think if Gene is relying on a video that is on social media/played before 8k in the stadium to contextualize the patch then it was strange plan.
agreed although I would probably describe the plan as "bad" rather than "strange". Semantics!
Bad works too!
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Lol, looking through the replies of people telling him "nuh-uh, BLM is a terrorist/anarchist/marxist organization," I got to this.
https://twitter.com/JadenPMcNeil/status/1304917674963742721
Jaden is proof that all lives actually don't matter.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
I'd be interested to know the scenario where one would agree with everything everyone in any organization says or does, that they didn't start. The blurring of a message and an organization dedicated to spreading the message has been a very effective method by racists. The idea that you have to agree with everything an organization does to believe in the larger message is absurd and that standard is exclusively limited to black lives matter.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
I'd be interested to know the scenario where one would agree with everything everyone in any organization says or does, that they didn't start. The blurring of a message and an organization dedicated to spreading the message has been a very effective method by racists. The idea that you have to agree with everything an organization does to believe in the larger message is absurd and that standard is exclusively limited to black lives matter.
So would you rather donate to the NAACP or Black Lives Matter?
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's some percentage of people (and k-state people) that don't really think black lives matter and use the marxist/nuclear family stuff as a pretext to cover up their own racism. I don't know what that percentage is, but I'm not here to defend them. Those people deserve shame.
My point is that there is valid, non-race-related reason to oppose the phrase "Back Lives Matter" because that can refer to an organization that people don't like because (for example) the founders of that organization referred to themselves as "trained marxists." You can excuse or discount that marxist identity if you want, but there's a significant portion of the country that are, for whatever reason, opposed to people who refer to themselves as "trained marxists" and are suspicious of any social organization that self-proclaimed trained marxists start. Those same people can agree that black lives do matter, and oppose the disproportionate violence that black americans face at the hand of the state. I don't think the people in that camp are necessarily racist.
Maybe you don't think that camp actually exists, or you don't care about the distinction, but I think it does, and I'm hesitant to cast them all under the "racist" umbrella.
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is there a scenario where you can not agree with everything with black lives matter the organization but also believe that lives lives do matter and not be labeled a racist?
I'd be interested to know the scenario where one would agree with everything everyone in any organization says or does, that they didn't start. The blurring of a message and an organization dedicated to spreading the message has been a very effective method by racists. The idea that you have to agree with everything an organization does to believe in the larger message is absurd and that standard is exclusively limited to black lives matter.
So would you rather donate to the NAACP or Black Lives Matter?
Neither organization spends their money in a manner in which I like to donate. I don't understand the relevance of the question though.
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One of the most interesting things about the search trends is that "All lives matter" searches went down just as "black lives matter marxist" went up. Like almost a 1 for 1 replacement
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just took a while for the "ha, gotcha!" talking points to go out
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's some percentage of people (and k-state people) that don't really think black lives matter and use the marxist/nuclear family stuff as a pretext to cover up their own racism. I don't know what that percentage is, but I'm not here to defend them. Those people deserve shame.
My point is that there is valid, non-race-related reason to oppose the phrase "Back Lives Matter" because that can refer to an organization that people don't like because (for example) the founders of that organization referred to themselves as "trained marxists." You can excuse or discount that marxist identity if you want, but there's a significant portion of the country that are, for whatever reason, opposed to people who refer to themselves as "trained marxists" and are suspicious of any social organization that self-proclaimed trained marxists start. Those same people can agree that black lives do matter, and oppose the disproportionate violence that black americans face at the hand of the state. I don't think the people in that camp are necessarily racist.
Maybe you don't think that camp actually exists, or you don't care about the distinction, but I think it does, and I'm hesitant to cast them all under the "racist" umbrella.
That isn't a valid, non race reason. It's a reason. The larger point, the raison d'etre, it's much larger than Marxism, literally everyone knows that.
Another interpretation of this is that if you cannot recognize economic inequality in this country and its role in race relations, and furthermore not be able to identify the need for black lives matter to address it, then you don't believe that black lives matter. You don't have to believe in Marxism, but you have to be intellectually honest enough to understand why one who is looking for economic equity would be attracted by marxism.
If you're so strongly against Marxism that you can't shove it aside to buy into the larger point, then you must be comfortable with the label that is the opposite of marxism, which is fascism.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's some percentage of people (and k-state people) that don't really think black lives matter and use the marxist/nuclear family stuff as a pretext to cover up their own racism. I don't know what that percentage is, but I'm not here to defend them. Those people deserve shame.
My point is that there is valid, non-race-related reason to oppose the phrase "Back Lives Matter" because that can refer to an organization that people don't like because (for example) the founders of that organization referred to themselves as "trained marxists." You can excuse or discount that marxist identity if you want, but there's a significant portion of the country that are, for whatever reason, opposed to people who refer to themselves as "trained marxists" and are suspicious of any social organization that self-proclaimed trained marxists start. Those same people can agree that black lives do matter, and oppose the disproportionate violence that black americans face at the hand of the state. I don't think the people in that camp are necessarily racist.
Maybe you don't think that camp actually exists, or you don't care about the distinction, but I think it does, and I'm hesitant to cast them all under the "racist" umbrella.
That isn't a valid, non race reason. It's a reason. The larger point, the raison d'etre, it's much larger than Marxism, literally everyone knows that.
Another interpretation of this is that if you cannot recognize economic inequality in this country and its role in race relations, and furthermore not be able to identify the need for black lives matter to address it, then you don't believe that black lives matter. You don't have to believe in Marxism, but you have to be intellectually honest enough to understand why one who is looking for economic equity would be attracted by marxism.
If you're so strongly against Marxism that you can't shove it aside to buy into the larger point, then you must be comfortable with the label that is the opposite of marxism, which is fascism.
Man I'm not going into the rabbit hole any further with you. I think we just fall on different sides of the coin re. whether one can be a "non-racist" while not holding a favorable view of Black Lives Matter (the org) (if I'm mischaracterizing your point, i'm sorry). That's the heart of our disagreement I think, and I don't think we're going to change each other's minds.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's some percentage of people (and k-state people) that don't really think black lives matter and use the marxist/nuclear family stuff as a pretext to cover up their own racism. I don't know what that percentage is, but I'm not here to defend them. Those people deserve shame.
My point is that there is valid, non-race-related reason to oppose the phrase "Back Lives Matter" because that can refer to an organization that people don't like because (for example) the founders of that organization referred to themselves as "trained marxists." You can excuse or discount that marxist identity if you want, but there's a significant portion of the country that are, for whatever reason, opposed to people who refer to themselves as "trained marxists" and are suspicious of any social organization that self-proclaimed trained marxists start. Those same people can agree that black lives do matter, and oppose the disproportionate violence that black americans face at the hand of the state. I don't think the people in that camp are necessarily racist.
Maybe you don't think that camp actually exists, or you don't care about the distinction, but I think it does, and I'm hesitant to cast them all under the "racist" umbrella.
That isn't a valid, non race reason. It's a reason. The larger point, the raison d'etre, it's much larger than Marxism, literally everyone knows that.
Another interpretation of this is that if you cannot recognize economic inequality in this country and its role in race relations, and furthermore not be able to identify the need for black lives matter to address it, then you don't believe that black lives matter. You don't have to believe in Marxism, but you have to be intellectually honest enough to understand why one who is looking for economic equity would be attracted by marxism.
If you're so strongly against Marxism that you can't shove it aside to buy into the larger point, then you must be comfortable with the label that is the opposite of marxism, which is fascism.
Man I'm not going into the rabbit hole any further with you. I think we just fall on different sides of the coin re. whether one can be in favor of racial justice, and not hold a favorable view of Black Lives Matter as an org. That's the heart of our disagreement I think, and I don't think we're going to change each other's minds.
I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm letting you know your rationalization of having any issue with this so called black lives matter organization, because you're some devoted capitalist, is bullshit.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's some percentage of people (and k-state people) that don't really think black lives matter and use the marxist/nuclear family stuff as a pretext to cover up their own racism. I don't know what that percentage is, but I'm not here to defend them. Those people deserve shame.
My point is that there is valid, non-race-related reason to oppose the phrase "Back Lives Matter" because that can refer to an organization that people don't like because (for example) the founders of that organization referred to themselves as "trained marxists." You can excuse or discount that marxist identity if you want, but there's a significant portion of the country that are, for whatever reason, opposed to people who refer to themselves as "trained marxists" and are suspicious of any social organization that self-proclaimed trained marxists start. Those same people can agree that black lives do matter, and oppose the disproportionate violence that black americans face at the hand of the state. I don't think the people in that camp are necessarily racist.
Maybe you don't think that camp actually exists, or you don't care about the distinction, but I think it does, and I'm hesitant to cast them all under the "racist" umbrella.
economic inequality in this country and its role in race relations
What do you think needs to happen for this to change?
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I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm letting you know your rationalization of having any issue with this so called black lives matter organization, because you're some devoted capitalist, is bullshit.
Noted.
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I usually know Fox News Brain when I see it. DQ may not have it, but may have something else.
I think it's called "trying to give some people in my community the benefit of the doubt before I condemn them as racists"
Giving people the benefit of the doubt provides shelter for people to say ignorant crap. Sometimes things are non starters, if you are making the choice to tie the phrase black lives matter to some nebulous organization that may or may not believe in things you may or may not understand, that's intentional, especially if you make the choice to offer that opinion to someone else without researching, with an open mind, what it is that you're talking about.
The only two things the racists oppose when it comes to black lives matter is the marxism thing, when you Google the word marxism, this is on the page, you literally don't even have to visit another website "To define Marxism in simple terms, it's a political and economic theory where a society has no classes. Every person within the society works for a common good, and class struggle is theoretically gone." Is that something worth dismissing literally anyone over?
Yeah but the thing is, a lot of people don't need to rely on a 2 sentence definition from Google to know that they oppose it. Like you said, some things are non-starters.
So who are the people in "your community" that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to?
k-state fans that disapproved of the patch
You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone, you're excusing either racism. Benefit of the doubt wasn't intended to be a static state. Any issue you would have with black lives matter that isn't related to race is easily researched. We're not talking about the existence of life on Mars here, if you don't actually have the facts about what you claim is the issue, you don't want those facts, you want what feel like is a pretty package to disguise that you don't feel like black lives matter.
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's some percentage of people (and k-state people) that don't really think black lives matter and use the marxist/nuclear family stuff as a pretext to cover up their own racism. I don't know what that percentage is, but I'm not here to defend them. Those people deserve shame.
My point is that there is valid, non-race-related reason to oppose the phrase "Back Lives Matter" because that can refer to an organization that people don't like because (for example) the founders of that organization referred to themselves as "trained marxists." You can excuse or discount that marxist identity if you want, but there's a significant portion of the country that are, for whatever reason, opposed to people who refer to themselves as "trained marxists" and are suspicious of any social organization that self-proclaimed trained marxists start. Those same people can agree that black lives do matter, and oppose the disproportionate violence that black americans face at the hand of the state. I don't think the people in that camp are necessarily racist.
Maybe you don't think that camp actually exists, or you don't care about the distinction, but I think it does, and I'm hesitant to cast them all under the "racist" umbrella.
economic inequality in this country and its role in race relations
What do you think needs to happen for this to change?
Reasonably, nothing. It won't happen. I think reparations in the form of property and/or investments will help, but we're talking about 450 years of black people first building the economy without being part of the growth, then subsequently there never being any legislation to address that. None of the civil rights laws ever addressed this. We also can't forget that there were isolated cases of ADOS finding affiliated l isolated cases of financial independence only to have the them intentionally crushed.
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I think a good first step would be the US government and its people acknowledging that government policy damaged blacks in the US economically and effects of that policy remain today. I don't know if we'll ever even get to that.
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I think a good first step would be the US government and its people acknowledging that government policy damaged blacks in the US economically and effects of that policy remain today. I don't know if we'll ever even get to that.
What are u doing to help? Don’t just talk about it, be about it.
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I think a good first step would be the US government and its people acknowledging that government policy damaged blacks in the US economically and effects of that policy remain today. I don't know if we'll ever even get to that.
What are u doing to help? Don’t just talk about it, be about it.
I emailed Gene!
He told me he'd see if he could find the other videos. :lol:
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:lol:
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Y'all probably won't, but if you want to be helpful, I think you should also respectfully email Gene with your issues about the public stance he took in this interview. I can't be a lone voice here and we can't assume that others will handle it. We're damn sure the racists didn't take for granted that they would be heard. If all of your enlightenment and allyship are confined to this thread you don't have the right to wag your finger at Dlew or anyone else, you're just as functionally useless as those who silently nod at the notion that black lives matter can be dismissed because of Karl Marx.
I sent an email!
:thumbsup:
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Haven't read all the posts ITT today, so at the risk of luking I'm posting this.
https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/1308599133737897984?s=20
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Haven't read all the posts ITT today, so at the risk of luking I'm posting this.
https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/1308599133737897984?s=20
I will not be watching that
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Hmmm, wonder why people think there is a difference between BLM and the BLM(org)??
See links below...thanks to nicname
And then on top of all of this you have one of the boards biggest advocates of BLM calling the AG of Kentucky a MAGA coon? Not one of you dopes objected to him saying that? smdh.
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@I_have_purplewood
You’re not posting links correctly
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@I_have_purplewood
You’re not posting links correctly
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8770607/Ex-LAPD-sergeant-slammed-shameful-comment-race-baiting-Louisville-AG-David-Cameron.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8770607/Ex-LAPD-sergeant-slammed-shameful-comment-race-baiting-Louisville-AG-David-Cameron.html)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8768625/Protesters-harass-diners-Florida-Breonna-Taylor-grand-jury-decision.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8768625/Protesters-harass-diners-Florida-Breonna-Taylor-grand-jury-decision.html)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8768705/Agitators-BLM-rally-Los-Angeles-scream-profanities-black-police-officer.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8768705/Agitators-BLM-rally-Los-Angeles-scream-profanities-black-police-officer.html)
Thanks for heads up!
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Hmmm, wonder why people think there is a difference between BLM and the BLM(org)??
See links below...thanks to nicname
And then on top of all of this you have one of the boards biggest advocates of BLM calling the AG of Kentucky a MAGA coon? Not one of you dopes objected to him saying that? smdh.
What does that MAGA loving cameron coon have to do with black lives matter? Also what constitutes "one of the boards biggest advocates of BLM" mean? Either you believe black lives matter of you don't, there's no degrees.
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How many points of this blowout can be attributed to the squawks wearing a BLM patch?
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How many points of this blowout can be attributed to the squawks wearing a BLM patch?
I'm going to attribute the points to the stupid "unity" under the BLM.
Our volleyball team is about to break into the top 10 and they've been wearing these joints all year.
(https://i.ibb.co/FVGMScd/Screenshot-20201024-205746.png)
Did you see the black fist logo that Indiana and Illinois have?
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Did you see the black fist logo that Indiana and Illinois have?
Of course not.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458259/Head-NYCs-BLM-chapter-calls-probe-founder-purchased-expensive-homes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458259/Head-NYCs-BLM-chapter-calls-probe-founder-purchased-expensive-homes.html)
Good for her!! Show those magas how to grift!! :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)
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May have caught that GA property at the right time, likely substantial appreciation there.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10466461/California-threatens-hold-BLMs-leaders-personally-liable-missing-financial-records.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10466461/California-threatens-hold-BLMs-leaders-personally-liable-missing-financial-records.html) :popcorn: (ftp://:popcorn:)
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Nice chunk of change.
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Grifters gonna grift
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