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Title: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Jeffy on April 29, 2010, 12:31:06 PM
And if so, are you boycotting things like Arizona Tea like some of our other left-leaning friends?

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/04/it-is-drink-of-fascists.html

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 29, 2010, 12:49:10 PM
I'm not sure what I buy that comes from Arizona, but I'm not boycotting anything. Also,  :lol: at anybody boycotting Arizona Tea (it's made in New York).
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on April 29, 2010, 01:14:23 PM
I like Arizona.  Spring training  :excited: and sunny and hot  :cool:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: OK_Cat on April 29, 2010, 01:18:05 PM
Arizona is a shithole, anti-immigration bill or not.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Brock Landers on April 29, 2010, 01:28:46 PM
Raising Arizona was on TV last night.  Skipped right past it.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 29, 2010, 02:06:32 PM
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/21071/al-qaeda-boycotts-arizona-over-immigration-law/

Looks like Al Qaeda has joined the boycott.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: michigancat on April 29, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Quote
"Dear Arizona: If you don't change your immigration policy, I will have to stop drinking your enjoyable brand of iced tea," Twittered Jody Beth in Los Angeles.

"It is the drink of fascists," wrote Travis Nichols in Chicago.


:lol:

libs are idiots!

:lol:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 29, 2010, 02:36:31 PM
Arizona is a shithole, anti-immigration bill or not.

What state would not be considered a shithole to you? just curious.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on April 29, 2010, 03:19:13 PM
Arizona is a shithole, anti-immigration bill or not.

What state would not be considered a shithole to you? just curious.

Someone from Oklahoma calling Arizona a shitthole???  Wow!
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: ben ji on April 29, 2010, 03:38:02 PM
Arizona is a WT Los Angeles with no ocean.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on April 29, 2010, 03:54:24 PM
Arizona is a WT Los Angeles with no ocean.

L.A. is the biggest sh*thole in this entire country.  That's actually a documented fact.  I hate that city more than I hate St. Louis and Detroit combined.  It is an absolute sewer.  If you pissed on the sidewalk you'd actually make that city cleaner.  Truly a horrible, horrible place.  I will never go back unless I have to.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on April 29, 2010, 05:07:29 PM
Arizona is a WT Los Angeles with no ocean.

L.A. is the biggest sh*thole in this entire country.  That's actually a documented fact.  I hate that city more than I hate St. Louis and Detroit combined.  It is an absolute sewer.  If you pissed on the sidewalk you'd actually make that city cleaner.  Truly a horrible, horrible place.  I will never go back unless I have to.

and Phoenix is LA's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) little brother.

That happens to be a lot older with more money   :rolleyes:

Plus, when you golf in Phoenix, you don't have to hit through a Latino BBQ on the 7th fairway
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 29, 2010, 05:34:44 PM
Arizona is a WT Los Angeles with no ocean.

L.A. is the biggest sh*thole in this entire country.  That's actually a documented fact.  I hate that city more than I hate St. Louis and Detroit combined.  It is an absolute sewer.  If you pissed on the sidewalk you'd actually make that city cleaner.  Truly a horrible, horrible place.  I will never go back unless I have to.

True. I would take the Phoenix heat over LA any day. I have lived in both and still avoid LA while making regular trips to Phoenix.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: ben ji on April 29, 2010, 07:45:31 PM
Seems to me like PHX is full of people who wish they lived in LA but didnt have enough money  :dunno:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on April 29, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
Seems to me like PHX is full of people who wish they lived in LA but didnt have enough money  :dunno:

Drive 4 blocks from the coast in LA, nobody has any money (save Beverly Hills) and its the most trashed, crime ridden, sess pool you'll ever see in this country.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 29, 2010, 08:49:43 PM
Seems to me like PHX is full of people who wish they lived in LA San Diego but didnt have enough money  :dunno:

FYP
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: The42Yardstick on April 29, 2010, 08:58:19 PM
I don't really have any reason to go to Arizona* anyway so I guess I'm boycotting it :dunno:

*besides the Grand Canyon, which is really NPS
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: wetwillie on April 29, 2010, 09:22:34 PM
man what the eff are the tourist trappers in Winslow Az going to do with their giant ass crater when everyone boycotts AZ? :confused:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: pike on April 30, 2010, 07:44:06 PM
Not boycotting AZ, think that law is stupid tho however something needs to be done. It's amazing that we can spend billions and billions of dollars on 2 unjustified wars started after a government made terrorist act and we can't even build a wall or hire some damn cops to stand on the border
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 30, 2010, 08:38:09 PM
Not boycotting AZ, think that law is stupid tho however something needs to be done. It's amazing that we can spend billions and billions of dollars on 2 unjustified wars started after a government made terrorist act and we can't even build a wall or hire some damn cops to stand on the border

All this law does is nullify the politics of illegal immigration, allowing all law enforcement branches to enforce a federal law. It doesn't make new immigration law. It also specifically states you can't pull someone over based on race.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: The42Yardstick on May 01, 2010, 01:27:10 AM
It also specifically states you can't pull someone over based on race.

I love this argument. The ppl in charge of this bill think that if they yell this enough, the average joe will actually believe that the cops won't do this.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Dirty Sanchez on May 01, 2010, 09:05:39 AM
It also specifically states you can't pull someone over based on race.

I love this argument. The ppl opposed to this bill think that if they yell this enough, the average joe will actually believe that its racist.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 01, 2010, 10:45:21 AM
i am boycotting az.  have been for years.



a wall is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), btw, pike.  just so you know.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 01, 2010, 11:07:09 AM
i am boycotting az.  have been for years.



a wall is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), btw, pike.  just so you know.

Agreed. A wall alone would do very little to stop the flow. what we need is a wall, an alligator filled moat, and a triple fence with motion sensing grenade launchers on top.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: CatsFan_58 on May 03, 2010, 01:54:08 PM
It also specifically states you can't pull someone over based on race.

I love this argument. The ppl in charge of this bill think that if they yell this enough, the average joe will actually believe that the cops won't do this.
lol. im down for the "racial profiling." get em outta here!
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Jeffy on May 03, 2010, 05:00:38 PM
(http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/BrownD/2010/BrownD20100503_low.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on May 03, 2010, 08:34:31 PM
Has anyone noticed that there is constant media coverage on the protests against the Arizona law?  Media constantly talking about how everyone is up in arms about it and how its got to be fixed  :blah: :blah: :blah:

Has anyone heard any mention of its 60%+ favorable approval of the law, compared to its approx 23% disapproval?

Does the media have some vested interest in getting this law overturned?  Why do they have to half-truth us?  [rhetoricals]
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: TBL on May 03, 2010, 10:12:11 PM
It also specifically states you can't pull someone over based on race.

I love this argument. The ppl in charge of this bill think that if they yell this enough, the average joe will actually believe that the cops won't do this.

Why the eff would the cops do something so "Paperwork Intensive"?
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: steve dave on May 04, 2010, 12:27:50 PM


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5159856
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2010, 12:37:23 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 04, 2010, 12:40:42 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: OK_Cat on May 04, 2010, 12:53:05 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

BOOM
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: _33 on May 04, 2010, 01:02:29 PM
misinformation, fear-mongering, scare tactics.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.

You just want cheap produce and maid service.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: dmartin on May 04, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
I am no longer shopping for cheap jeans at JC Penneys.  But it really has nothing to do with this law.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: OK_Cat on May 04, 2010, 01:29:23 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.

You just want cheap produce and maid service.


"THEY DURK DUR JERBS!"  (Pike can post a screenshot)
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.

You just want cheap produce and maid service.


"THEY DURK DUR JERBS!"  (Pike can post a screenshot)

THERS NO JERBS TU DURK   :frown:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 04, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
good column by whitlock on this issue.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 04, 2010, 05:33:21 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

RD with a brutally effective BMW jedi mindtrick.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 04, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2010, 09:48:13 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: wetwillie on May 04, 2010, 10:00:48 PM
 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 04, 2010, 10:08:41 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

who said that it had anything to do with race? why are you even bringing race into the conversation?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Pete on May 04, 2010, 10:11:48 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

who said that it had anything to do with race? why are you even bringing race into the conversation?  :dunno:

 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Paul Moscow on May 04, 2010, 10:12:47 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

who said that it had anything to do with race? why are you even bringing race into the conversation?  :dunno:

 :bwpopcorn:

Racists are always so quick to deny they are. Just fess up Doug. Be proud. Be racist. Go Whites.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on May 04, 2010, 10:17:53 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

I wonder what percentage of the population still supports slavery? 
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 04, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
I wonder what percentage of the population still supports slavery? 

wtf does slavery have to do with this or any other law, sugar dick?  stay on topic, sugar dick.  illegal, arizona, sugar, dick.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2010, 10:37:11 PM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

who said that it had anything to do with race? why are you even bringing race into the conversation?  :dunno:

 :eye:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Pete on May 04, 2010, 10:37:15 PM
This topic is a doozy.

I read the NY Times article by the UMKC guy who helped write the bill, and he makes some seemingly reasonable points about this thing.  Then I read the NPR interview, where he had to respond to critics of his bill. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126390888

Basically, I came away believing that the objective merits of the main argument against the bill are weak....which is "Dude, you know fracking cops are going to abuse the crap out of this."  And, simultaneously, the most persuasive subjective argument against the bill are dead on.  Cops ARE going to abuse the crap out this.  No reasonable person can argue this point given the great weight of history on these types of things.

However, it seems pretty air tight.  Can't due much to fight it, IMO.


I'm against it, but just because I'd rather see them handle it differently......more secure border, etc.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on May 04, 2010, 10:40:30 PM
I wonder what percentage of the population still supports slavery? 

wtf does slavery have to do with this or any other law, sugar dick?  stay on topic, sugar dick.  illegal, arizona, sugar, dick.

 :surprised:

You just like saying Sugar Dick  :lick:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2010, 10:45:06 PM

I'm against it, but just because I'd rather see them handle it differently......more secure border, etc.


Yes. we really do need to secure the border, even if we went as far as amnesty. The flow into the country will never stop as long as Mexico/Central America is so corrupt.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 04, 2010, 10:51:06 PM
You just like saying Sugar Dick  :lick:

hahahahaha.  you will be sued, sugar dick!
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 04, 2010, 11:07:05 PM
Then I read the NPR interview, where he had to respond to critics of his bill. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126390888

i haven't paid much attention to this issue, maybe skimmed a few brief articles.  however, the impression i gained was not that imparted in this link.  that the police still needed "an investigation for some other violation of law".  assuming that is accurate, the reporting (at least that that i have seen) has been pretty shitty.  and the law seems both pretty pointless and pretty inoffensive.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Pete on May 04, 2010, 11:50:19 PM
Then I read the NPR interview, where he had to respond to critics of his bill. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126390888

i haven't paid much attention to this issue, maybe skimmed a few brief articles.  however, the impression i gained was not that imparted in this link.  that the police still needed "an investigation for some other violation of law".  assuming that is accurate, the reporting (at least that that i have seen) has been pretty shitty.  and the law seems both pretty pointless and pretty inoffensive.

On it's face ("prima facie," as the douche notes), sure.   However, as I understand the opposition stance, they are saying that it gives the law enforcement officials who are most susceptible (local authorities) the ability to go nuts.  The bill author's retort to this was that "Well, you just don't like cops" ignores a Mt. Everest size collection of anecdotal evidence that tells us that cops prolly shouldn't be given crap like this 'cause they'll do bad stuff.

In summary, I live in Kansas where Mexicans are a delightful addition to our workforce and culinary culture....so I don't give a eff about having Mexicans in our country illegally.   I like 'em.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 05, 2010, 12:10:59 AM
However, as I understand the opposition stance, they are saying that it gives the law enforcement officials who are most susceptible (local authorities) the ability to go nuts.  The bill author's retort to this was that "Well, you just don't like cops" ignores a Mt. Everest size collection of anecdotal evidence that tells us that cops prolly shouldn't be given crap like this 'cause they'll do bad stuff.

yeah, but they already can (and do).  so, nothing changes.


like i've said a million times, the only meaningful legal reform we're going to get in this country is when we start killing cops.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
However, as I understand the opposition stance, they are saying that it gives the law enforcement officials who are most susceptible (local authorities) the ability to go nuts.  The bill author's retort to this was that "Well, you just don't like cops" ignores a Mt. Everest size collection of anecdotal evidence that tells us that cops prolly shouldn't be given crap like this 'cause they'll do bad stuff.

yeah, but they already can (and do).  so, nothing changes.


like i've said a million times, the only meaningful legal reform we're going to get in this country is when we start killing cops.

You sound like you have been hurt by an authority figure. Share your story with us. :bartender:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Dirty Sanchez on May 05, 2010, 07:03:35 AM
A good percentage of the cops in AZ are latino.  Are they going to be racists?
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Trim on May 05, 2010, 07:40:21 AM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the eff out.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: nicname on May 05, 2010, 07:44:04 AM
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Pete on May 05, 2010, 08:23:26 AM
A good percentage of the cops in AZ are latino.  Are they going to be racists?

Typically worse (SEE Black Cops)
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2010, 09:14:20 AM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2010, 09:24:53 AM
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:

I am all for punishing employers of illegals.

How hard can it be to become a citizen? The time square bomber did it, and he's not very bright.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Trim on May 05, 2010, 09:31:14 AM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

Legal or not, GTFO.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2010, 09:38:20 AM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

Legal or not, GTFO.
You just hate Canadians because they are different.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Trim on May 05, 2010, 09:56:19 AM
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

Legal or not, GTFO.
You just hate Canadians because they are different.

They're different in that they suck, at least the ones from W.Canada.  Learned this at the tail end of VegasPak.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2

It would be awesome if people boycott the suns for protesting this bill.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: wetwillie on May 05, 2010, 01:04:18 PM
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:

I am all for punishing employers of illegals.

How hard can it be to become a citizen? The time square bomber did it, and he's not very bright.  :dunno:

Guy was from an elite family in Pakistan, money and influence have their perks.  Also he had two degrees including an MBA, so I guess he was a complete dumbass.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 05, 2010, 01:10:10 PM
How hard can it be to become a citizen?

no citizens in the immediate family, not marrying a citizen, no special skills, not rich, not born in the u.s.; it's pretty hard.  not quite impossible, but pretty damn hard.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
How hard can it be to become a citizen?

no citizens in the immediate family, not marrying a citizen, no special skills, not rich, not born in the u.s.; it's pretty hard.  not quite impossible, but pretty damn hard.

You just have to win a lottery, so it's not really hard, just unlikely. :peek:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2010, 01:27:22 PM
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:

I am all for punishing employers of illegals.

How hard can it be to become a citizen? The time square bomber did it, and he's not very bright.  :dunno:

Guy was from an elite family in Pakistan, money and influence have their perks.  Also he had two degrees including an MBA, so I guess he was a complete dumbass.

I know some MBA's, you don't have to be that bright, just a good BS'er.

He spent 5 months training with terrorist and couldn't follow instructions, a complete dumb ass.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: nicname on May 05, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
I never said anything about being a citizen.  I said being legal and documented. 

Juan wants to work at BPI.

Juan gets work Visa.

Juan works for BPI.

Juan's Visa runs out.

Juan is now illegal.

This type of thing happens all the time.

Again if your problem is immigrants in general this is not a solution.

Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2010, 04:22:44 PM
I never said anything about being a citizen.  I said being legal and documented. 

Juan wants to work at BPI.

Juan gets work Visa.

Juan works for BPI.

Juan's Visa runs out.

Juan is now illegal.

This type of thing happens all the time.

Again if your problem is immigrants in general this is not a solution.



I don't have a problem with immigrants.

Juan is illegal and needs to go home. He knew going in that it was a temporary situation and he needed to apply for a green card if he wanted to stay in the US for a long period of time while he became a citizen. I have a friend from Zimbabwe that went through this successfully.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Jeffy on May 08, 2010, 03:21:46 PM
Thank you, Governor Brewer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLgZ1LWLlko&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: ZmoneyKSU on May 10, 2010, 09:44:20 AM
    
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Embattled Arizona doesn't deserve hate, boycotts
May 9, 2010
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
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People are being kidnapped in Phoenix, and not every now and then. Every day. Phoenix, one of the biggest and brightest cities in this country, has been blighted by roughly one kidnapping per day over the past four years. Who's doing the kidnapping? Who's being kidnapped? Mostly illegal immigrants and drug dealers. They are the victims, yes, but they are the violators too. They are both.

Phoenix was once the fastest-growing big city in America. It was a place to go. Now it's a place to leave.

The other side of the Arizona immigration story? That hasn't been told much. (Getty Images)    
The other side of the Arizona immigration story? That hasn't been told much. (Getty Images)    
But you're not hearing that part of the story. You're not hearing about the creeping third-world kudzu spreading into Phoenix and throughout Arizona. Nope. You're hearing about the nerve -- the nerve -- of lawmakers and law-enforcers in Arizona who want to get a handle on their state before it spins out of control.

And so you're hearing about the role of baseball in this story. You're hearing about fans in Chicago, who are 1,804 ignorantly blissful miles from Phoenix and are boycotting the Arizona Diamondbacks when the Diamondbacks come to town to play the Cubs. And you're hearing about the role Major League Baseball should play, considering the 2011 All-Star Game is set for Phoenix. You're hearing that MLB should move the game, because baseball is nearly 30 percent Hispanic and out of respect to Hanley Ramirez and Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez, the game cannot be held in an unreasonable place that would demand that every member of its population be in this country legally.

What if Miguel Cabrera is walking to the ballpark and gets deported because he doesn't have his papers?!??

That's what you're hearing. It's not hysterical, because this is no laughing matter, but it is hysteria. One day it'll be a movie starring Nicolas Cage: Boycotting Arizona.

In the meantime you're hearing about Arizona Senate Bill 1070, signed into practice April 23, which allows police in that state to use "reasonable suspicion" to question or detain possible illegal immigrants. This needn't be a sports story, no, but it has become one. The Phoenix Suns wore "Los Suns" on their jersey for Game 2 against San Antonio in support of the Hispanic community. Grandstanding activists Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have urged MLB commissioner Bud Selig to move the 2011 All-Star Game, and in lieu of that, 2011 All-Stars are being asked by no less a moral authority than The New York Times to come down with a case of the "Arizona flu" rather than play in that All-Star Game.

Of course, that article in the Times was written by an elderly gentleman who lives in an exclusive part of Long Island and won't have to come within 1,000 miles of the third-world violence that escalates by the day in Phoenix. It's easy for George Vecsey, and for people like him, to urge MLB players and other rich athletes to make a stand against Arizona's immigration law when people like Vecsey, and most of those rich athletes, aren't the ones trying to live there.

See, this story isn't as simple as the media and athletes, even thoughtful athletes like Suns players Steve Nash and Grant Hill, would have you believe. From the viewpoint of their gated communities, sure, the new immigration law might look like "an injustice" in Hill's eyes, and like "racism" to Nash.

But people are dying in Phoenix. They are being yanked from their homes on a daily basis and tortured, mutilated, killed. Why? Because there are some bad people in Phoenix. Not the legal citizens of Phoenix, no. I don't mean them. I mean the illegals. Not all of them or even most of them, obviously, but by and large illegal immigrants are responsible, according to police, for most of the home invasions and kidnappings and tortures.

Usually they are the kidnapper and the kidnapped, but not always, so don't fool yourself into thinking this kidnapping crisis doesn't affect the legal, law-abiding members of the greater Phoenix community. Not long ago a 13-year-old girl in Avondale, Ariz., was pulled from her neighborhood at gunpoint by kidnappers who thought she was related to a drug thief. When the kidnappers called her home a few hours later to demand the ransom, a police officer answered and convinced them that they had the wrong girl. She was let go. That story, horrific as it is, ended relatively well.

They don't all end well.

This is not a black-and-white issue, is my point. Am I picking a side? Sort of. But I'm not trying to convince you that my side is right, because I'm not sure my side is right. Some things, though, I know. I know that property values in Arizona are dropping faster than almost anywhere else in this country. And I know that Arizona has massive crime issues, particularly of the drug-and-violence variety. In recent years its murder rate has been two and even three times the national average, and police blame the disproportionate nature of those numbers on the influx of illegal immigrants.

At the same time, illegal immigrants are not, by definition, violent. It's a crapshoot, from person to person, which is why this issue is so damn murky. Not even a professional screamer like me can pick a side and start screaming. Not with confidence. So in lieu of that, I would rather calmly win you over to the idea that this issue isn't nearly as simple to grasp as people like Jackson or Sharpton or Nash or Hill or Vecsey or anyone -- on either side -- would try to tell you.

But I will say this: Why boycott the Diamondbacks? Because their owner contributed money years ago to the campaigns of state lawmakers, and because those state lawmakers later crafted this law? That's too simplistic. It implies you know the law better than the media, who incorrectly make Arizona out to be a Gestapo state, and it implies you also know the intent of the Diamondbacks' owner. And it suggests you're accusing the Diamondbacks of being anti-immigrant at best, xenophobic at worst. Yet the Diamondbacks' roster includes three players born in Venezuela, three in the Dominican Republic, one in Mexico and one in Germany. Boycott those guys? Why would you do that?

And I'll say this: Move the 2011 All-Star Game out of Arizona? That seems rather drastic considering our entire country is split right down the middle over that immigration law, according to polls, and that residents of Arizona are similarly split. One in three white people in Arizona oppose this law. One in five Hispanics favor it. Read those two sentences again, and then tell me this issue is simple.

Is there the possibility of racial profiling in Arizona, where police with "reasonable suspicion" can ask for verification that a person isn't an illegal immigrant? Sure there is. Police aren't looking for thieves or drug dealers, who by definition could be anyone. They're looking for illegal immigrants. If you can remove the issue of "race" from the search for "illegal immigrants," please tell me how to do that. Until someone figures it out, I'm inclined to let the police of Arizona do their job.

And I'm convinced we should let the Arizona Diamondbacks do theirs.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: DILLIGAF on May 11, 2010, 03:25:03 PM
A good percentage of the cops in AZ are latino.  Are they going to be racists?

Typically worse (SEE Black Cops)

This ^^^   legals hate illegals.   

Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: sys on May 11, 2010, 04:08:11 PM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on May 11, 2010, 04:25:36 PM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.

I did a project on this in college (writing in favor of the idea).  The more I read, the more I realized it was a complete horseshit idea.  Needs to be done, but won't do anything.  The Black Market and the Self Employed are the bulk of the illegals, and cheap labor is cheap labor its near impossible to enforce against.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: DILLIGAF on May 11, 2010, 04:30:53 PM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.

I did a project on this in college (writing in favor of the idea).  The more I read, the more I realized it was a complete horseshit idea.  Needs to be done, but won't do anything.  The Black Market and the Self Employed are the bulk of the illegals, and cheap labor is cheap labor its near impossible to enforce against.

Just need some clarification, are the illegals working in industry, livestock slaughter for instance, not much compared to the total?  I'd think put severe penalties on any business found employing illegals could go a long way toward stopping the incentive to come to this country by eliminating jobs. 
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on May 11, 2010, 10:23:44 PM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.

I did a project on this in college (writing in favor of the idea).  The more I read, the more I realized it was a complete horseshit idea.  Needs to be done, but won't do anything.  The Black Market and the Self Employed are the bulk of the illegals, and cheap labor is cheap labor its near impossible to enforce against.

Just need some clarification, are the illegals working in industry, livestock slaughter for instance, not much compared to the total?  I'd think put severe penalties on any business found employing illegals could go a long way toward stopping the incentive to come to this country by eliminating jobs. 

You need to make the incentive to stay in Mexico better.  Making it harder for illegals ability to get sh*tty jobs doesn't make Mexico better than the US, it makes a Big Mac cost more.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 11, 2010, 10:50:38 PM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.

I did a project on this in college (writing in favor of the idea).  The more I read, the more I realized it was a complete horseshit idea.  Needs to be done, but won't do anything.  The Black Market and the Self Employed are the bulk of the illegals, and cheap labor is cheap labor its near impossible to enforce against.

Just need some clarification, are the illegals working in industry, livestock slaughter for instance, not much compared to the total?  I'd think put severe penalties on any business found employing illegals could go a long way toward stopping the incentive to come to this country by eliminating jobs. 

You need to make the incentive to stay in Mexico better.  Making it harder for illegals ability to get sh*tty jobs doesn't make Mexico better than the US, it makes a Big Mac cost more.

Mexico can make the incentive to stay in Mexico better. Last I checked they were their own country. Why the hell would the USA spend a ton of money upgrading Mexico?
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: michigancat on May 12, 2010, 06:26:50 AM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.

I did a project on this in college (writing in favor of the idea).  The more I read, the more I realized it was a complete horseshit idea.  Needs to be done, but won't do anything.  The Black Market and the Self Employed are the bulk of the illegals, and cheap labor is cheap labor its near impossible to enforce against.

Just need some clarification, are the illegals working in industry, livestock slaughter for instance, not much compared to the total?  I'd think put severe penalties on any business found employing illegals could go a long way toward stopping the incentive to come to this country by eliminating jobs. 

You need to make the incentive to stay in Mexico better.  Making it harder for illegals ability to get sh*tty jobs doesn't make Mexico better than the US, it makes a Big Mac cost more.

Mexico can make the incentive to stay in Mexico better. Last I checked they were their own country. Why the hell would the USA spend a ton of money upgrading Mexico?

To keep the Mexicans out.  That's is all we really want here, right?
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: _33 on May 12, 2010, 09:29:35 AM
I think we should put these gates all along our southern border.  That way only the most courageous and pure of heart immigrants would be able to enter the USA.

(http://eriswish.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/neverendingstorygate.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Sugar Dick on May 12, 2010, 09:42:57 AM
Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".   

or create a legal framework that disincentivizes over-the-counter businesses hiring illegal immigrants.  you'd still get some, working black market labor, but the enormous number of illegals would recede.

I did a project on this in college (writing in favor of the idea).  The more I read, the more I realized it was a complete horseshit idea.  Needs to be done, but won't do anything.  The Black Market and the Self Employed are the bulk of the illegals, and cheap labor is cheap labor its near impossible to enforce against.

Just need some clarification, are the illegals working in industry, livestock slaughter for instance, not much compared to the total?  I'd think put severe penalties on any business found employing illegals could go a long way toward stopping the incentive to come to this country by eliminating jobs. 

You need to make the incentive to stay in Mexico better.  Making it harder for illegals ability to get sh*tty jobs doesn't make Mexico better than the US, it makes a Big Mac cost more.

Mexico can make the incentive to stay in Mexico better. Last I checked they were their own country. Why the hell would the USA spend a ton of money upgrading Mexico?

Didn't say the US should spend money there. 

Maybe they could make it so horrible to be poor, or an illegal alien in the U.S. that all the poor people and illegals go racing into Mexico.  Then it would be Mexico's problem.  The U.S. could start torturing drug runners, cancel all welfare programs, make prison an awful 6th century dungeon type place, shoot illegals on site, etc.  Go full on Draco.  [<--sarcasm] 

Basically, become 3/4 of the countries on the planet.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Havs on May 12, 2010, 11:05:51 AM
My name is Haverhill, and my left-of-center political views will not keep me from boycotting Arizona. After last New Years Eve, I'd be "okay" with ISU going there every year for a bowl game.
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: The42Yardstick on May 12, 2010, 12:43:19 PM
My name is Haverhill, and my left-of-center political views will not keep me from boycotting Arizona. After last New Years Eve, I'd be "okay" with ISU going there every year for a bowl game.

Havs,

how does it feel holding the free world in the palm of your hand by living in the first primary state

are you aware that your state is directly responsible for voting a nazi communist pol pot kenyan malaysian into office

what are your thoughts on how worthless the ethanol lobby is

do iowans politely disagree with each other at political rallies or do they warm up the tractors and mow down their enemies
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: Havs on May 12, 2010, 07:22:03 PM
My name is Haverhill, and my left-of-center political views will not keep me from boycotting Arizona. After last New Years Eve, I'd be "okay" with ISU going there every year for a bowl game.

Havs,

how does it feel holding the free world in the palm of your hand by living in the first primary state

are you aware that your state is directly responsible for voting a nazi communist pol pot kenyan malaysian into office

what are your thoughts on how worthless the ethanol lobby is

do iowans politely disagree with each other at political rallies or do they warm up the tractors and mow down their enemies

Hmmm, where do I start...

1) I really took advantage of the Iowa Caucuses, and met the following candidates at rallies and events: Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Huckabee, McCain, Thompson,

2) I caucused for Obama, who you have called a Nazi, Communist, Pol Pot Kenyan/ Malaysian, who later reached the level of Presidency

3) All I know about ethanol is that my grandparents farm was sold when ethanol demand was rising; turns out to be a smart move.

4) There was shouting at my caucus site. However, everyone in the room knew they would vote Democrat regardless, so why mow down people who you would eventually be voting with??
Title: Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
Post by: TBL on May 12, 2010, 09:30:32 PM
My name is Haverhill, and my left-of-center political views will not keep me from boycotting Arizona. After last New Years Eve, I'd be "okay" with ISU going there every year for a bowl game.

Havs,

how does it feel holding the free world in the palm of your hand by living in the first primary state

are you aware that your state is directly responsible for voting a nazi communist pol pot kenyan malaysian into office

what are your thoughts on how worthless the ethanol lobby is

do iowans politely disagree with each other at political rallies or do they warm up the tractors and mow down their enemies

Hmmm, where do I start...

1) I really took advantage of the Iowa Caucuses, and met the following candidates at rallies and events: Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Huckabee, McCain, Thompson,

2) I caucused for Obama, who you have called a Nazi, Communist, Pol Pot Kenyan/ Malaysian, who later reached the level of Presidency

3) All I know about ethanol is that my grandparents farm was sold when ethanol demand was rising; turns out to be a smart move.

4) There was shouting at my caucus site. However, everyone in the room knew they would vote Democrat regardless, so why mow down people who you would eventually be voting with??

So. This is all your rough ridin' fault. How does it feel to soon be recognized as the person that destroyed the world?    :chainsaw: