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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on November 29, 2015, 04:36:49 PM
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I like effort, oboarding, and finishing at the rim; all things this team does well most of the time. However, hitting shots and handling the ball are nice too and today we did neither of those well. 6 guys with at least 2 turnovers with TOs on a quarter of our possessions against a bad team is not a good sign. Also, the high number of TOs, with many of them unforced, led to a lot of the issues that last year's team had. Hopefully this is not the norm as up to this point this team had been very good at not turning it over with only 1 other game at 20% or worse for TO%. Three point shooting is the next problem, but I'm not sure if it will be fixed much this year.
Oboarding was still good for 2/3 of the game and that's without DJamer. Subpar offensive games from Westicles, Stokes, and Brown didn't help much, fortunately Wade, Edwards, and Hurt gave us enough to get an ugly win.
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Every once in awhile you see really aggressive play at both ends. Today, those were rare moments. We didn't really hang on to the ball when rebounding. Let them in on lots of tie ups and bungled play.
It appears that things sometimes get into Wes's head. He's good when he's on, though.
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Guys, I like the way Edwards plays the game.
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The streak is safe this year boys. Rest easy.
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Guys, I like the way Edwards plays the game.
I do too. I was waiting for this last year, but he has finally come around.
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Two steps forward, two steps back. Also this team will not accomplish a damn thing with Hopper as their leading scorer, he's far to inconsistent and inefficient.
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Anyone surprised that this game was close probably hasn't ever watched cbb. A bunch of first year players coming off thanksgiving and a close loss to UNC, Sunday game in an ice storm. Yeah, who could have seen that coming. . . .
One thing I noticed, the refs have abandoned whatever the "point of emphasis" was supposed to be. Slapping and bumping and shoving all over the place making cbb just unwatchable.
I did like out alley oop plays
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Only watched the highlights, but lol at SCS making a three just after time expired.
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I am impressed with Hopper's non scoring skills, especially rebounding. We would not be 5 and 1 without him.
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Two steps forward, two steps back. Also this team will not accomplish a damn thing with Hopper as their leading scorer, he's far to inconsistent and inefficient.
Hot Horndogs played 15 solid minutes only picking up one personal foul. We will need that kind of play from him going forward.
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That's not play. That's place holder
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That's not play. That's place holder
Got some boards too, bad person.
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The word 'solid' gets thrown around far too casually these days
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The word 'solid' gets thrown around far too casually these days
Apparently it's okay to treat that dude like he's a high school sophomore playing in the big 12 but not accurate to observe that he isn't a D1 basketball player.
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He looks way more out of place than merrs or vo ever did
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The word 'solid' gets thrown around far too casually these days
Apparently it's okay to treat that dude like he's a high school sophomore playing in the big 12 but not accurate to observe that he isn't a D1 basketball player.
True Story: I made a similar comment on BOTC (i.e. not a D1 player), and a member of his family set up an account called "You are a looser" and called me out for criticizing him.
He has no business playing for this team. He's awful, and pretty much 99% of walk ons are awful, so I'm not sure why people feel so compelled to argue something as factual as the sky being blue.
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I mean, it's not his fault, I'm sure he's trying his hardest. He shouldn't have to be relied upon to play 10+ minutes a game -- that's on poor roster construction.
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poor roster construction happens when you run off your team of pot addicts
h2's minutes concern me b/c what they say about Hollywoods' development
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Is he top-5 nationally among walk-on power forwards? I say yes.
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He's a dboarding fool guys.
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He's a dboarding fool liability on the offensive end and a total hack monster guys.
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I will give you that his eye brow management is a liability.
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I don't necessarily disagree. But he's going to be depth at the 4 this year.
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True Story: I made a similar comment on BOTC (i.e. not a D1 player), and a member of his family set up an account called "You are a looser" and called me out for criticizing him.
This is fantastic. Everything about it.
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Hopefully when Williams is healthy he can contribute. Maurice likely not being eligible doesn't help either.
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I will give you that his eye brow management is a liability.
also not a fan of the high & tight Hot Horndogs, shaggy HH had more floor presence imo
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why not just play more guards?
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why not just play more guards?
I'm pretty sure the guards would be walk-ons as well.
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I would be more concerned if Budke was just showing up from Beloit High, but he did play a lot of minutes against a lot of D1 caliber players the last two years for a really good JUCO. I'm sure Williams will get some of his minutes once he becomes healthy.
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Hot horndogs is hot dogshit and everyone knows it. It appears some of us are just in different stages of acceptance. I for one have fully embraced how hilarious it is that he plays significant minutes.
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1) Budke should not be playing for this team
2) Budke is playing for this team
3) You can evaluate performances using either 1) or 2) as your starting point, but he has played some helpful minutes for the team so far this year already and he is going to continue to play so it is probably better to actually look at what he is doing in the games
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1) Budke should not be playing for this team
2) Budke is playing for this team
3) You can evaluate performances using either 1) or 2) as your starting point, but he has played some helpful minutes for the team so far this year already and he is going to continue to play so it is probably better to actually look at what he is doing in the games
This.
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And I fully agree that he should not be playing for this team, but because we oscar'd our whole team he happens to be doing that anyways.
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Redshirting two bigs is a problem. I don't think redshirts in basketball are that advantageous anyways.
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Redshirting two bigs is a problem. I don't think redshirts in basketball are that advantageous anyways.
No one is redshirting by choice that we know of, correct?
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Redshirting two bigs is a problem. I don't think redshirts in basketball are that advantageous anyways.
No one is redshirting by choice that we know of, correct?
Dante might, oscar hasn't decided.
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1) Budke should not be playing for this team
2) Budke is playing for this team
3) You can evaluate performances using either 1) or 2) as your starting point, but he has played some helpful minutes for the team so far this year already and he is going to continue to play so it is probably better to actually look at what he is doing in the games
This.
This what? He has 12 points and 15 rebounds in 6 games, he's averaging 13 minutes per in those games. He accumulated 1/4 of his stats in his "good game." I don't mean to trash the kid, it isn't even his fault, I'm not even sure I fault oscar for having to play a walk-on.
If you are saying that we are getting beyond what we should expect from a walk-on, I guess I can't disagree, but we're getting to a place on our schedule where his 13 minutes per can become very problematic. I guess I'll back off for now but if oscar plays Hot Horndogs the way he used B-Ro last year I'll lose it.
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oscar should be a good enough coach that he can figure out how to create a successful line up using his existing roster that doesn't include playing hot horndogs 13 minutes a game. if that means oscar needs to get comfortable running different offensive/defensive sets, then that's what he needs to do. i think h2's minutes are a function of oscar wanting to do oscar rather than a result of h2's skill relative to oscar's other options. we're playing down a man.
in hot horndogs defense, at least he hasn't dunked in the pregame yet, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Wes getting in foul trouble which has reduced his minutes significantly affects this lineup a bunch. If we had Westicles, Stokes and Hopper all playing 30+ minutes a night it would reduce a lot of stress on the rest of the lineup.
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oscar should be a good enough coach that he can figure out how to create a successful line up using his existing roster that doesn't include playing hot horndogs 13 minutes a game. if that means oscar needs to get comfortable running different offensive/defensive sets, then that's what he needs to do. i think h2's minutes are a function of oscar wanting to do oscar rather than a result of h2's skill relative to oscar's other options. we're playing down a man.
in hot horndogs defense, at least he hasn't dunked in the pregame yet, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
One might even say his pregame performance has been solid.
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Wes getting in foul trouble which has reduced his minutes significantly affects this lineup a bunch. If we had Westicles, Stokes and Hopper all playing 30+ minutes a night it would reduce a lot of stress on the rest of the lineup.
We also need more DJamer.
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Wes getting in foul trouble which has reduced his minutes significantly affects this lineup a bunch. If we had Westicles, Stokes and Hopper all playing 30+ minutes a night it would reduce a lot of stress on the rest of the lineup.
We also need more DJamer.
Right a 3 man rotation of 25 minutes with Claws, Big Meat and xWhomper would be great.
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Would Mir be so outspoken against Budke if Budke weren't white? Obv not
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He hated the crap out of victor too FWIW
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Yeah, but he referred to VO as someone who makes me uncomfortable, so I dunno
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He hated the crap out of victor too FWIW
I didn't. My first post itt was trashing Hopper though, I really don't like him.
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He hated the crap out of victor too FWIW
I didn't. My first post itt was trashing Hopper though, I really don't like him.
He's been pretty good this year, he just needs to stop shooting 3s. He wasn't great offensively against Carolina, but he's been our most consistent offensive player and he's our best offensive performer so far this season if you go by offensive ratings. He's great at finishing (2PT% is 66%), gets to the FT line (43 attempts, great FT rate), plus he's oboarding and his assists to TOs is really solid. He's looking like the player we hoped he'd be last year IMO.
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He hated the crap out of victor too FWIW
I didn't. My first post itt was trashing Hopper though, I really don't like him.
He's been pretty good this year, he just needs to stop shooting 3s. He wasn't great offensively against Carolina, but he's been our most consistent offensive player and he's our best offensive performer so far this season if you go by offensive ratings. He's great at finishing (2PT% is 66%), gets to the FT line (43 attempts, great FT rate), plus he's oboarding and his assists to TOs is really solid. He's looking like the player we hoped he'd be last year IMO.
Unfortunately we hoped he'd stretch the floor. I feel like he is getting by with his athletic ability right now against inferior athletes. I'm happy with his FTr, pretty suspicious about the rest. I'll stick with my opinion that we're doomed with him as our offensive leader, especially the poor shooting Edwards as our leader.