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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2015, 11:28:18 AM
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They should all win advertising and PR awards.
They have full buy in from Wabash Tuck Nation on Family. Nothing appeals to White Midwestern world then family (in most real world things, it's not a bad thing). During Snyder I, K-State had an element of player that had an edge to them, a little more "street" a little more "thug" (just channeling my inner Wabash Tuck Nation White Midwestern lingo here). They were a little harder to deal with, they had more off-the-field issues, and at times they brought a level of unwanted scrutiny to our program. Some of them weren't exactly the best students, they were a little harder to get into school in some cases. Our DITR's were guys like Chris Canty, Mario Smith and Jaime Mendez. Tough, hard hitting guys with, as I said, an edge. For example Jaime Mendez pretty much wanted to kill Snyder when he went for the tie against CU in '93. Mario Smith was an assassin out there roaming the field, a pure T football thug (not a bad thing in this case). Of course there were the higher recruited guys like Kelly and Darnell McDonald, and toss in Quincy Morgan.
Sure, it's harder to recruit the better JC players now because everyone followed Snyder's lead, but that's an excuse.
It's pretty apparent that Snyder doesn't want to deal with all that. So we wrap together Family and Walk-on Five Heart U into a neat little PR bundle and KState-O mayo eating Wabash Tuck Nation eats it up. Who cares if we have guys aren't really D1 talent out there playing key roles, as long as their good, solid (preferably white) kids from wide spots in the road across the Midwest. Now Wabash Tuck Nation gets to feel good about themselves, they can run around and slap each other on the back and talk about how that Five Heart Cody Cook stepped in and almost beat Oklahoma State, coached by noted dumbass Mike Gundy.
Cheap shot our players, go ahead, nobody is going to do jack $hit on our team, and Wabash Tuck Nation is going to high five each other about what classy and fine up standing kids we have on our team. During Snyder I, somebody like Mario Smith or Percell Gaskins would have broken some bones out there if that $hit was going on, somebody on OSU would have gotten eff'd up. Leavitt/Stoops/Stoops/Venables would have had a total meltdown over the sideline marker misplacement, now Old Country for Old Men doesn't even catch it.
But hey, as long as a five hearter from Wide Spot In the Road Kansas displays the proper intrinsic values while his family wins K-State Farmer of the Year award . . . well lets all celebrate with a cow nut fry and a couple of Miller Lite's.
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Was Méndez a hard hitter? All I remember are ankle tackles out of him.
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Was Méndez a hard hitter? All I remember are ankle tackles out of him.
You're a dumbass then
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Was Méndez a hard hitter? All I remember are ankle tackles out of him.
You're a dumbass then
Sorry jamie
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He was a very good player on the first K-State bowl winner, had some mega tackle games. In those days Snyder seemed obsessed with winning at all costs and obviously that's not the case now. Heck, at times I think fans want it more than he does. We no longer have hard edged coaches or players. I'm 50, remember how amped I was for games in those mid 90's years, absolutely obsessed with the yearly attempt to beat Nebraska. Now, I'm pissed when we lose but not in depression mode (remember how you felt in 95 when we lost to Colorado?) so I must be old as well. As long as we got Bill and his staff of hard workers that follow all the rules we will have some 7 win seasons and the occasional 2012 miracle, but no more 11 win every season stuff.
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He was a very good player on the first K-State bowl winner, had some mega tackle games. In those days Snyder seemed obsessed with winning at all costs and obviously that's not the case now. Heck, at times I think fans want it more than he does. We no longer have hard edged coaches or players. I'm 50, remember how amped I was for games in those mid 90's years, absolutely obsessed with the yearly attempt to beat Nebraska. Now, I'm pissed when we lose but not in depression mode (remember how you felt in 95 when we lost to Colorado?) so I must be old as well. As long as we got Bill and his staff of hard workers that follow all the rules we will have some 7 win seasons and the occasional 2012 miracle, but no more 11 win every season stuff.
bills job was not to come back and win 11 games a year. His job was to right the ship, go to bowl games, fill the seats, and fill the recruiting pipeline with decent high school talent every year so that the next guy could inherit a solid roster to build on. The waters have never been calmer, he did his job, but now he won't leave until sean is the guy. So he might just run it into the ground again just to spite currie.
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So much drama. I was frustrated yesterday as well, but gd we were playing with a wr at qb. And without Barnett; and Heath; and without first string kicker.
We have best record in conference from 2011-14. Did you drama queens forget about that?
Plus, we have the 6th ranked dual threat qb signed for next year. Just chill.
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They should all win advertising and PR awards.
They have full buy in from Wabash Tuck Nation on Family. Nothing appeals to White Midwestern world then family (in most real world things, it's not a bad thing). During Snyder I, K-State had an element of player that had an edge to them, a little more "street" a little more "thug" (just channeling my inner Wabash Tuck Nation White Midwestern lingo here). They were a little harder to deal with, they had more off-the-field issues, and at times they brought a level of unwanted scrutiny to our program. Some of them weren't exactly the best students, they were a little harder to get into school in some cases. Our DITR's were guys like Chris Canty, Mario Smith and Jaime Mendez. Tough, hard hitting guys with, as I said, an edge. For example Jaime Mendez pretty much wanted to kill Snyder when he went for the tie against CU in '93. Mario Smith was an assassin out there roaming the field, a pure T football thug (not a bad thing in this case). Of course there were the higher recruited guys like Kelly and Darnell McDonald, and toss in Quincy Morgan.
Sure, it's harder to recruit the better JC players now because everyone followed Snyder's lead, but that's an excuse.
It's pretty apparent that Snyder doesn't want to deal with all that. So we wrap together Family and Walk-on Five Heart U into a neat little PR bundle and KState-O mayo eating Wabash Tuck Nation eats it up. Who cares if we have guys aren't really D1 talent out there playing key roles, as long as their good, solid (preferably white) kids from wide spots in the road across the Midwest. Now Wabash Tuck Nation gets to feel good about themselves, they can run around and slap each other on the back and talk about how that Five Heart Cody Cook stepped in and almost beat Oklahoma State, coached by noted dumbass Mike Gundy.
Cheap shot our players, go ahead, nobody is going to do jack $hit on our team, and Wabash Tuck Nation is going to high five each other about what classy and fine up standing kids we have on our team. During Snyder I, somebody like Mario Smith or Percell Gaskins would have broken some bones out there if that $hit was going on, somebody on OSU would have gotten eff'd up. Leavitt/Stoops/Stoops/Venables would have had a total meltdown over the sideline marker misplacement, now Old Country for Old Men doesn't even catch it.
But hey, as long as a five hearter from Wide Spot In the Road Kansas displays the proper intrinsic values while his family wins K-State Farmer of the Year award . . . well lets all celebrate with a cow nut fry and a couple of Miller Lite's.
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We'd be fine this season if Bill hadn't run off Daniel.
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We'd be fine this season if Dana hadn't run off Daniel.
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They should all win advertising and PR awards.
They have full buy in from Wabash Tuck Nation on Family. Nothing appeals to White Midwestern world then family (in most real world things, it's not a bad thing). During Snyder I, K-State had an element of player that had an edge to them, a little more "street" a little more "thug" (just channeling my inner Wabash Tuck Nation White Midwestern lingo here). They were a little harder to deal with, they had more off-the-field issues, and at times they brought a level of unwanted scrutiny to our program. Some of them weren't exactly the best students, they were a little harder to get into school in some cases. Our DITR's were guys like Chris Canty, Mario Smith and Jaime Mendez. Tough, hard hitting guys with, as I said, an edge. For example Jaime Mendez pretty much wanted to kill Snyder when he went for the tie against CU in '93. Mario Smith was an assassin out there roaming the field, a pure T football thug (not a bad thing in this case). Of course there were the higher recruited guys like Kelly and Darnell McDonald, and toss in Quincy Morgan.
Sure, it's harder to recruit the better JC players now because everyone followed Snyder's lead, but that's an excuse.
It's pretty apparent that Snyder doesn't want to deal with all that. So we wrap together Family and Walk-on Five Heart U into a neat little PR bundle and KState-O mayo eating Wabash Tuck Nation eats it up. Who cares if we have guys aren't really D1 talent out there playing key roles, as long as their good, solid (preferably white) kids from wide spots in the road across the Midwest. Now Wabash Tuck Nation gets to feel good about themselves, they can run around and slap each other on the back and talk about how that Five Heart Cody Cook stepped in and almost beat Oklahoma State, coached by noted dumbass Mike Gundy.
Cheap shot our players, go ahead, nobody is going to do jack $hit on our team, and Wabash Tuck Nation is going to high five each other about what classy and fine up standing kids we have on our team. During Snyder I, somebody like Mario Smith or Percell Gaskins would have broken some bones out there if that $hit was going on, somebody on OSU would have gotten eff'd up. Leavitt/Stoops/Stoops/Venables would have had a total meltdown over the sideline marker misplacement, now Old Country for Old Men doesn't even catch it.
But hey, as long as a five hearter from Wide Spot In the Road Kansas displays the proper intrinsic values while his family wins K-State Farmer of the Year award . . . well lets all celebrate with a cow nut fry and a couple of Miller Lite's.
yes all of this.
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It's funny how OBz and Currie don't get along when but for the whole next coach thing, they'd pretty much be in lockstep.
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Snyder said the refs provided an explanation, but he does not remember it.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/650534536380477440
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He's old as eff and barely eats. Duh!
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So much drama. I was frustrated yesterday as well, but gd we were playing with a wr at qb. And without Barnett; and Heath; and without first string kicker.
We have best record in conference from 2011-14. Did you drama queens forget about that?
Plus, we have the 6th ranked dual threat qb signed for next year. Just chill.
leave, just leave, you dork
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Enjoyable post, but very extreme.
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:clap:
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Fantastic :lol:
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Which Snyder I team would match up best in the modern BIG XII?
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Which Snyder I team would match up best in the modern BIG XII?
Obv. choice is obv.
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Which Snyder I team would match up best in the modern BIG XII?
Obv. choice is obv.
Yeah you're prolly right.
Edit: People like to say the game is much faster and past teams wouldn't compete but really it's still which team can hit the hardest.
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So much drama. I was frustrated yesterday as well, but gd we were playing with a wr at qb. And without Barnett; and Heath; and without first string kicker.
We have best record in conference from 2011-14. Did you drama queens forget about that?
Plus, we have the 6th ranked dual threat qb signed for next year. Just chill.
leave, just leave, you dork
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I feel the same way. Go root for Baylor and Briles if you hate Snyder and the way he does things. 99% of Kstater love and appreciate Snyder. The loudmouths on this board are out of place. So leave.
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So much drama. I was frustrated yesterday as well, but gd we were playing with a wr at qb. And without Barnett; and Heath; and without first string kicker.
We have best record in conference from 2011-14. Did you drama queens forget about that?
Plus, we have the 6th ranked dual threat qb signed for next year. Just chill.
leave, just leave, you dork
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I feel the same way. Go root for Baylor and Briles if you hate Snyder and the way he does things. 99% of Kstater love and appreciate Snyder. The loudmouths on this board are out of place. So leave.
you are dense aren't you? I'm almost convinced you aren't real and you're a dumb Wacky sock or something like that. If you are real, and I'm sure you've been told this before, but maybe GPC is more for you.
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Which Snyder I team would match up best in the modern BIG XII?
Obv. choice is obv.
Is it obvious?
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I love my cats! Go state! :emawkid:
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:emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid:
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I'd like to think there's room as a fan to be disappointed we lost, recognize there needs to be improvement, without the outrage
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Bend-don't-break-but-bend-just-enough-into-the-endzone defense does it again!
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Outrage?
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Dax I dont think you even broke a sweat, I think he is talkng about someone else.
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dax, with all the injuries we have, a two-point loss on the road vs a ranked team that required a last minute field goal is what gets you riled up? there is some truth to what you're saying... i make fun of "family" and am sick of it by now, and i absolutely get tired of hearing about walk ons. but the whole premise of your rant is based on the idea that k-state fans, mainly the tucks, would rather have today's program than the DOD program. and i simply don't think that's true. even the biggest full blown tucks would take the 90's over today's program.
complain about bad recruiting all you want, that's warranted. i'm amazed at our inability to recruit/develop the skill positions these past few years. but to act like it's unfathomable that the fan base gets excited about its team, when we have the most wins since the start of the new big 12, makes you look like you're trying too hard to be edgy.
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There is absolutely a "win the right way" segment of our fan base, that segment exists within every fan base. I do think for a fair amount of people, I'm willing to bet more than 10%, find this way more palatable and feel more righteous than other college football fans. There are people on this board that feel this way. Look at how people react to Baylor, I'm sure not everyone will admit it in the way that dax put it, but we have fans that would much rather have our image and win 8 games a year than to be Baylor.
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dax, with all the injuries we have, a two-point loss on the road vs a ranked team that required a last minute field goal is what gets you riled up? there is some truth to what you're saying... i make fun of "family" and am sick of it by now, and i absolutely get tired of hearing about walk ons. but the whole premise of your rant is based on the idea that k-state fans, mainly the tucks, would rather have today's program than the DOD program. and i simply don't think that's true. even the biggest full blown tucks would take the 90's over today's program.
complain about bad recruiting all you want, that's warranted. i'm amazed at our inability to recruit/develop the skill positions these past few years. but to act like it's unfathomable that the fan base gets excited about its team, when we have the most wins since the start of the new big 12, makes you look like you're trying too hard to be edgy.
That, coupled with the fact that, for some people, it's more fun not to spend time being critical of our program.
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I enjoyed this post but my favorite part was
. . . well lets all celebrate with a cow nut fry and a couple of Miller Lite's.
just so visual. :love:
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40 of KSU's 115 players on the roster are walk-ons, or over 33%.
That is insane. And a complete failure from a recruiting standpoint.
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NCAA scholarship limits :curse:
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There is absolutely a "win the right way" segment of our fan base, that segment exists within every fan base. I do think for a fair amount of people, I'm willing to bet more than 10%, find this way more palatable and feel more righteous than other college football fans. There are people on this board that feel this way. Look at how people react to Baylor, I'm sure not everyone will admit it in the way that dax put it, but we have fans that would much rather have our image and win 8 games a year than to be Baylor.
I absolutely would rather have our program than Baylor's; it isn't even close.
It isn't just about "doing things the right way." I am very proud of that aspect of Snyder's coaching; it gives me a connection to our program that I wouldn't otherwise have, and makes me want to support the team even when we might "struggle" to a 8-4 type of year (appears to be where we are headed). (Yes, though, I will agree the "family" thing is corny and I don't like it.)
But, there is another aspect to it. Doing things the right way--not taking short cuts--is what builds a program over time. I have said this before, and I will say it again: Baylor is going to crash and burn. It is coming. If they don't make the playoffs this year, I doubt they ever will. Because scandal, violations, ass-covering, scape-goating...that is all coming. And then Baylor will be back to the huge pile they were before.....except with a nicer stadium.
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Oh for God sakes, Steffy.
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There is absolutely a "win the right way" segment of our fan base, that segment exists within every fan base. I do think for a fair amount of people, I'm willing to bet more than 10%, find this way more palatable and feel more righteous than other college football fans. There are people on this board that feel this way. Look at how people react to Baylor, I'm sure not everyone will admit it in the way that dax put it, but we have fans that would much rather have our image and win 8 games a year than to be Baylor.
hell, DoD 1.0 was less likable than Brile's Baylor program. Briles at least has his folksy BS that makes you think he gives a crap vs 90s Snyder wearing his indifference on his sleeve.
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If Snyder's still here in 2020, we'll have over 200 kids suited up for home games, pregame zig zag warm up thing will take so long they'll have to play Right Now at least 3 times.
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totally agree, Dax... Outstanding work by Snyder and the Athletic Department, indeed.
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If Snyder's still here in 2020, we'll have over 200 kids suited up for home games, pregame zig zag warm up thing will take so long they'll have to play Right Now at least 3 times.
So many diamonds in the rough
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40 of KSU's 115 players on the roster are walk-ons, or over 33%.
That is insane. And a complete failure from a recruiting standpoint.
I agree with this to a point, but I think it makes a difference as to what you prioritize in your system.
Do you value consistency of execution, experience, athleticism, etc.? It's pretty clear that we value consistency and experience. That has it's advantages; we're pretty much a bowl team every year, regardless of the talent on the roster. Of course, the downside is that our ceiling, more often than not, is going to be limited to 8-9 wins. 10 if the ball bounces right.
I mean would Duke Shelly be better than Morgan Burns? No idea. But we're not going to start him over a senior that's logged so much playing time already. I mean it was clear that we needed to play Silmon more, and it took way to long to make that change.
I think we're recruiting alright, but that's just my opinion. I think the problem is that we're not playing the talent that we've recruited. We are playing a lot more underclassmen, which is a step in the right direction, but these coaches seem to be way more inclined to go with guys they're comfortable with as opposed to the better athletes that are on the roster.
Maybe that's because we make things too difficult, or maybe it's because we base everything on practice effort/execution. No idea. But if Snyder is so sold on these 16 goals, just knowing how into organizational change management he is, it wouldn't surprise me at all if puts a ton of emphasis on that, and that's why we see so many walk-ons. If they exhibit the 16 goals, they'll play.
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Why on earth do people think our ceiling in Snyder 2.0 is 10 wins? I mean that's just rough ridin' stupid.
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Why on earth do people think our ceiling in Snyder 2.0 is 10 wins? I mean that's just rough ridin' stupid.
Well, the system that this staff has put together has pretty much handicapped them to that level.
If they are willing to change their system, which it appears that they aren't, they probably won't eclipse ten wins unless there's a Heisman level talent on the field.
Should we expect more? Yes. But this is what it's going to be if they refuse to play the talent they have and choose to march out guys like Kleinsorge at right tackle.
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Why on earth do people think our ceiling in Snyder 2.0 is 10 wins? I mean that's just rough ridin' stupid.
Well, the system that this staff has put together has pretty much handicapped them to that level.
If they are willing to change their system, which it appears that they aren't, they probably won't eclipse ten wins unless there's a Heisman level talent on the field.
Should we expect more? Yes. But this is what it's going to be if they refuse to play the talent they have and choose to march out guys like Kleinsorge at right tackle.
WE'VE DONE BETTER THAN THAT TWICE AND SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE LAST YEAR
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Why on earth do people think our ceiling in Snyder 2.0 is 10 wins? I mean that's just rough ridin' stupid.
Well, the system that this staff has put together has pretty much handicapped them to that level.
If they are willing to change their system, which it appears that they aren't, they probably won't eclipse ten wins unless there's a Heisman level talent on the field.
Should we expect more? Yes. But this is what it's going to be if they refuse to play the talent they have and choose to march out guys like Kleinsorge at right tackle.
WE'VE DONE BETTER THAN THAT TWICE AND SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE LAST YEAR
RAISE THE ROOF
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we only did better than that once. but I still don't know how can you say the ceiling is 10 wins when we've matched or exceed it with a VERY similar recruiting/development philosophy. Maybe people don't know what a ceiling is?
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You can raise the ceiling witbout raising the roof
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You can raise the ceiling witbout raising the roof
time for some construction nerds to flock
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article37782972.html
I've never seen Snyder look so worn out.
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40 of KSU's 115 players on the roster are walk-ons, or over 33%.
That is insane. And a complete failure from a recruiting standpoint.
Wait, is this a serious post?
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40 of KSU's 115 players on the roster are walk-ons, or over 33%.
That is insane. And a complete failure from a recruiting standpoint.
Wait, is this a serious post?
I know. It's like, do you even understand how red shirts work? :lol:
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I absolutely would rather have our program than Baylor's; it isn't even close.
It isn't just about "doing things the right way." I am very proud of that aspect of Snyder's coaching; it gives me a connection to our program that I wouldn't otherwise have, and makes me want to support the team even when we might "struggle" to a 8-4 type of year (appears to be where we are headed). (Yes, though, I will agree the "family" thing is corny and I don't like it.)
But, there is another aspect to it. Doing things the right way--not taking short cuts--is what builds a program over time. I have said this before, and I will say it again: Baylor is going to crash and burn. It is coming. If they don't make the playoffs this year, I doubt they ever will. Because scandal, violations, ass-covering, scape-goating...that is all coming. And then Baylor will be back to the huge pile they were before.....except with a nicer stadium.
By the way, I have no idea where this "we're headed to an 8-4 type season" wishful thinking is coming from. We're going to be favored in MAYBE 3 games from here out. KU, Iowa State and maybe West Virginia.
This team will lucky to be bowl eligible if we're be truthful about the current state of the program.
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Well crap, you are only eligible to win the games you're favored in :frown:
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i agree that 2012 was the roof and that their is always some space between the ceiling and the roof (in the case of residences at least)
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
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There is absolutely a "win the right way" segment of our fan base, that segment exists within every fan base. I do think for a fair amount of people, I'm willing to bet more than 10%, find this way more palatable and feel more righteous than other college football fans. There are people on this board that feel this way. Look at how people react to Baylor, I'm sure not everyone will admit it in the way that dax put it, but we have fans that would much rather have our image and win 8 games a year than to be Baylor.
I absolutely would rather have our program than Baylor's; it isn't even close.
It isn't just about "doing things the right way." I am very proud of that aspect of Snyder's coaching; it gives me a connection to our program that I wouldn't otherwise have, and makes me want to support the team even when we might "struggle" to a 8-4 type of year (appears to be where we are headed). (Yes, though, I will agree the "family" thing is corny and I don't like it.)
But, there is another aspect to it. Doing things the right way--not taking short cuts--is what builds a program over time. I have said this before, and I will say it again: Baylor is going to crash and burn. It is coming. If they don't make the playoffs this year, I doubt they ever will. Because scandal, violations, ass-covering, scape-goating...that is all coming. And then Baylor will be back to the huge pile they were before.....except with a nicer stadium.
Steffy08, is the 08 the year you graduated from KSU?
All the things in your post above are part and parcel of what many Nebraska fans felt during the 90s with the addition of running down JUCO recruiting.
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tucks :curse:
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Remember when we called them powertards lol?
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
Yeah, some of the talk after the OSU game is just crazy.
Almost every one of Snyder's peak seasons have come with an experienced QB coming back. We obviously didn't have that this year and then on top of that we've had tons of QB injuries and we're missing arguably our top 2 defensive backs.
I'm disappointed in losing a winnable road game because we lost in the last minute, but I'm far from being upset with the state of the program. I don't think we are devoid of talent and this is obviously a building year for K-State. If we can manage 6-7 wins and a bowl game in a competitive league I won't be disappointed at all.
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There is absolutely a "win the right way" segment of our fan base, that segment exists within every fan base. I do think for a fair amount of people, I'm willing to bet more than 10%, find this way more palatable and feel more righteous than other college football fans. There are people on this board that feel this way. Look at how people react to Baylor, I'm sure not everyone will admit it in the way that dax put it, but we have fans that would much rather have our image and win 8 games a year than to be Baylor.
I absolutely would rather have our program than Baylor's; it isn't even close.
It isn't just about "doing things the right way." I am very proud of that aspect of Snyder's coaching; it gives me a connection to our program that I wouldn't otherwise have, and makes me want to support the team even when we might "struggle" to a 8-4 type of year (appears to be where we are headed). (Yes, though, I will agree the "family" thing is corny and I don't like it.)
But, there is another aspect to it. Doing things the right way--not taking short cuts--is what builds a program over time. I have said this before, and I will say it again: Baylor is going to crash and burn. It is coming. If they don't make the playoffs this year, I doubt they ever will. Because scandal, violations, ass-covering, scape-goating...that is all coming. And then Baylor will be back to the huge pile they were before.....except with a nicer stadium.
Steffy08, is the 08 the year you graduated from KSU?
All the things in your post above are part and parcel of what many Nebraska fans felt during the 90s with the addition of running down JUCO recruiting.
NU had a great run. Like 40 years. Would take. In my opinion, they lost what they had because they did not stick true to the values that made them such a steady program. Callahan and Pelini were hires that this board might have liked, but those two guys were not true to the values that had made NU successful.
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what if i told you tom osborne was a bigger scumbag than art briles, steffy?
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what if i told you tom osborne was a bigger scumbag than art briles, steffy?
You could tell me, but I wouldn't believe you.
Dr. Tom wasn't the saint that the fans made him out to be (see handling of Phillips), but he ran a relatively clean program. Accepted walk-ons. Developed (and nurtured) a culture that fit the state and made it a big attraction. Results pretty damn good. Would take.
Hell, I always cheered for NU when he was there. I didn't really start to hate NU until Callahan and Pelini.
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what if i told you tom osborne was a bigger scumbag than art briles, steffy?
You could tell me, but I wouldn't believe you.
Dr. Tom wasn't the saint that the fans made him out to be (see handling of Phillips), but he ran a relatively clean program. Accepted walk-ons. Developed (and nurtured) a culture that fit the state and made it a big attraction. Results pretty damn good. Would take.
Hell, I always cheered for NU when he was there. I didn't really start to hate NU until Callahan and Pelini.
you are a total piece of crap
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
Yeah, some of the talk after the OSU game is just crazy.
Almost every one of Snyder's peak seasons have come with an experienced QB coming back. We obviously didn't have that this year and then on top of that we've had tons of QB injuries and we're missing arguably our top 2 defensive backs.
I'm disappointed in losing a winnable road game because we lost in the last minute, but I'm far from being upset with the state of the program. I don't think we are devoid of talent and this is obviously a building year for K-State. If we can manage 6-7 wins and a bowl game in a competitive league I won't be disappointed at all.
I was most upset by the defense failing yet again to close out a half. This was supposed to the "strength" of the team.
La Tech:
2:00 left in the first half -> let them drive 59 yards for a FG
1:16 left in the second half -> let them drive 60 yards for a FG
OSU:
4:37 left in the first half -> let them drive 83 yards for a TD
3:01 left in the second half -> let them drive 45 yards for a FG
Four halves in a row where the defense failed to get a stop.
We had a miraculous offensive first half just flushed away because we couldn't stop a team with a poor QB from converting 3rd and longs. We used to love to claim that it's not "luck" but that Bill's teams were just that well-coached etc. It was because of Bill's genius that we could take advantage of the opportunities our opponents would give us. But this team has not.
It's not that our plucky team almost scratched out a victory, rather it was our team refusing to take the game that OSU so desperately tried to give us (+2 in TO margin and those TOs were at the most fortunate times as well, blocked extra point, unable to stop our WR/QB, horrible play calling from Gundy)! Everything lined up that possibly could have (once our starting QB went down) and we still managed to lose.
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Callahan and Pelini ran a far cleaner program than Osborne. Osborne was probably the dirtiest coach of all time.
http://www.si.com/vault/1995/09/25/206647/coach-and-jury-nebraska-players-charged-with-crimes-have-a-steadfast-ally-in-the-man-who-runs-the-program-tom-osborne
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I was most upset by the defense failing yet again to close out a half. This was supposed to the "strength" of the team.
La Tech:
2:00 left in the first half -> let them drive 59 yards for a FG
1:16 left in the second half -> let them drive 60 yards for a FG
OSU:
4:37 left in the first half -> let them drive 83 yards for a TD
3:01 left in the second half -> let them drive 45 yards for a FG
Four halves in a row where the defense failed to get a stop.
We had a miraculous offensive first half just flushed away because we couldn't stop a team with a poor QB from converting 3rd and longs. We used to love to claim that it's not "luck" but that Bill's teams were just that well-coached etc. It was because of Bill's genius that we could take advantage of the opportunities our opponents would give us. But this team has not.
It's not that our plucky team almost scratched out a victory, rather it was our team refusing to take the game that OSU so desperately tried to give us (+2 in TO margin and those TOs were at the most fortunate times as well, blocked extra point, unable to stop our WR/QB, horrible play calling from Gundy)! Everything lined up that possibly could have (once our starting QB went down) and we still managed to lose.
This.
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Callahan and Pelini ran a far cleaner program than Osborne. Osborne was probably the dirtiest coach of all time.
http://www.si.com/vault/1995/09/25/206647/coach-and-jury-nebraska-players-charged-with-crimes-have-a-steadfast-ally-in-the-man-who-runs-the-program-tom-osborne
there was never any question where winning was on Dr. Tom's priority list
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40 of KSU's 115 players on the roster are walk-ons, or over 33%.
That is insane. And a complete failure from a recruiting standpoint.
Wait, is this a serious post?
Some ppl failed miserably in the math dept.
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
Yeah, some of the talk after the OSU game is just crazy.
Almost every one of Snyder's peak seasons have come with an experienced QB coming back. We obviously didn't have that this year and then on top of that we've had tons of QB injuries and we're missing arguably our top 2 defensive backs.
I'm disappointed in losing a winnable road game because we lost in the last minute, but I'm far from being upset with the state of the program. I don't think we are devoid of talent and this is obviously a building year for K-State. If we can manage 6-7 wins and a bowl game in a competitive league I won't be disappointed at all.
I was most upset by the defense failing yet again to close out a half. This was supposed to the "strength" of the team.
La Tech:
2:00 left in the first half -> let them drive 59 yards for a FG
1:16 left in the second half -> let them drive 60 yards for a FG
OSU:
4:37 left in the first half -> let them drive 83 yards for a TD
3:01 left in the second half -> let them drive 45 yards for a FG
Four halves in a row where the defense failed to get a stop.
We had a miraculous offensive first half just flushed away because we couldn't stop a team with a poor QB from converting 3rd and longs. We used to love to claim that it's not "luck" but that Bill's teams were just that well-coached etc. It was because of Bill's genius that we could take advantage of the opportunities our opponents would give us. But this team has not.
It's not that our plucky team almost scratched out a victory, rather it was our team refusing to take the game that OSU so desperately tried to give us (+2 in TO margin and those TOs were at the most fortunate times as well, blocked extra point, unable to stop our WR/QB, horrible play calling from Gundy)! Everything lined up that possibly could have (once our starting QB went down) and we still managed to lose.
In defense of the, well, defense that 3rd and long in the second quarter has officially been acknowledged as a mistake by the Big 12. So, we did make a stop there.
OSU may have ended up converting a 4th down there, had they gone for it, but we did stop them about four yards short of the marker.
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I was really enjoying this thread, until Steffy08 open his mouth. Anyone that thinks dirty Tom ran a clean program is an idiot that knows very little about our conference past, or football in general.
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
Yeah, some of the talk after the OSU game is just crazy.
Almost every one of Snyder's peak seasons have come with an experienced QB coming back. We obviously didn't have that this year and then on top of that we've had tons of QB injuries and we're missing arguably our top 2 defensive backs.
I'm disappointed in losing a winnable road game because we lost in the last minute, but I'm far from being upset with the state of the program. I don't think we are devoid of talent and this is obviously a building year for K-State. If we can manage 6-7 wins and a bowl game in a competitive league I won't be disappointed at all.
I was most upset by the defense failing yet again to close out a half. This was supposed to the "strength" of the team.
La Tech:
2:00 left in the first half -> let them drive 59 yards for a FG
1:16 left in the second half -> let them drive 60 yards for a FG
OSU:
4:37 left in the first half -> let them drive 83 yards for a TD
3:01 left in the second half -> let them drive 45 yards for a FG
Four halves in a row where the defense failed to get a stop.
We had a miraculous offensive first half just flushed away because we couldn't stop a team with a poor QB from converting 3rd and longs. We used to love to claim that it's not "luck" but that Bill's teams were just that well-coached etc. It was because of Bill's genius that we could take advantage of the opportunities our opponents would give us. But this team has not.
It's not that our plucky team almost scratched out a victory, rather it was our team refusing to take the game that OSU so desperately tried to give us (+2 in TO margin and those TOs were at the most fortunate times as well, blocked extra point, unable to stop our WR/QB, horrible play calling from Gundy)! Everything lined up that possibly could have (once our starting QB went down) and we still managed to lose.
In defense of the, well, defense that 3rd and long in the second quarter has officially been acknowledged as a mistake by the Big 12. So, we did make a stop there.
OSU may have ended up converting a 4th down there, had they gone for it, but we did stop them about four yards short of the marker.
Well what do you know; the Big XII admitting to a mistake. Seems like when we played OU a couple of yrs ago and our O-line was over 3 yds past LOS; Stoops bitched about it and it was all over ESPN. Where's the news about this fiasco?
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the jury is still out for me whether steffy is a real person. I just find it hard to believe somebody is that stupid, I mean I get a lot of people take stuff at face value and drink the kool-aid, but steffy eats the packaging the kool-aid comes in.
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
Yeah, some of the talk after the OSU game is just crazy.
Almost every one of Snyder's peak seasons have come with an experienced QB coming back. We obviously didn't have that this year and then on top of that we've had tons of QB injuries and we're missing arguably our top 2 defensive backs.
I'm disappointed in losing a winnable road game because we lost in the last minute, but I'm far from being upset with the state of the program. I don't think we are devoid of talent and this is obviously a building year for K-State. If we can manage 6-7 wins and a bowl game in a competitive league I won't be disappointed at all.
I was most upset by the defense failing yet again to close out a half. This was supposed to the "strength" of the team.
La Tech:
2:00 left in the first half -> let them drive 59 yards for a FG
1:16 left in the second half -> let them drive 60 yards for a FG
OSU:
4:37 left in the first half -> let them drive 83 yards for a TD
3:01 left in the second half -> let them drive 45 yards for a FG
Four halves in a row where the defense failed to get a stop.
We had a miraculous offensive first half just flushed away because we couldn't stop a team with a poor QB from converting 3rd and longs. We used to love to claim that it's not "luck" but that Bill's teams were just that well-coached etc. It was because of Bill's genius that we could take advantage of the opportunities our opponents would give us. But this team has not.
It's not that our plucky team almost scratched out a victory, rather it was our team refusing to take the game that OSU so desperately tried to give us (+2 in TO margin and those TOs were at the most fortunate times as well, blocked extra point, unable to stop our WR/QB, horrible play calling from Gundy)! Everything lined up that possibly could have (once our starting QB went down) and we still managed to lose.
In defense of the, well, defense that 3rd and long in the second quarter has officially been acknowledged as a mistake by the Big 12. So, we did make a stop there.
OSU may have ended up converting a 4th down there, had they gone for it, but we did stop them about four yards short of the marker.
No we didn't. Both teams played to markers. The play on the field went past the sticks as on the field.
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I think it's fair to point out that our defense is playing without our best two defensive backs.
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true but all teams have to deal with injuries and off the field issues
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I've seen K-State lose an All Big 12 caliber safety before.
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more athletic players would be less likely to get injured as easily as our crew of DITR's. sad, but this all falls on bill's shoulders re- recruiting.
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Best two?
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I think it's fair to point out that our defense is playing without our best two defensive backs.
I think the drop off to the #2's is part of the frustration with recruiting.
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I think it's fair to point out that our defense is playing without our best two defensive backs.
I think the drop off to the #2's is part of the frustration with recruiting.
Yes.
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what if i told you tom osborne was a bigger scumbag than art briles, steffy?
You could tell me, but I wouldn't believe you.
Dr. Tom wasn't the saint that the fans made him out to be (see handling of Phillips), but he ran a relatively clean program. Accepted walk-ons. Developed (and nurtured) a culture that fit the state and made it a big attraction. Results pretty damn good. Would take.
Hell, I always cheered for NU when he was there. I didn't really start to hate NU until Callahan and Pelini.
Get out. Leave. Go away. Delete your profile. Burn your computer.
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Best two?
Wrong on my part. McDaniel is playing.
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What's the state of this board going to be when we beat TCU this week? :whistle1:
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What's the state of this board going to be when we beat TCU this week? :whistle1:
Probably the same state if all of us individually were given a suitcase full of cash on Saturday, same odds too.
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Does everyone agree that "the current state of this program" is 3-1, with the single loss being on the road against a ranked team (while still beating the spread)?
I mean, I can see taking this "let's be honest here" approach if people are saying we're still in contention for a playoff spot, but this is kind of a crazy level of freak out for a pretty expected result thus far.
I'm starting to think that if Captain Cook played like we expected a WR to play at QB and we lost by double digits, the people here would be less BID so long as they knew Hubes was coming back.
Yeah, some of the talk after the OSU game is just crazy.
Almost every one of Snyder's peak seasons have come with an experienced QB coming back. We obviously didn't have that this year and then on top of that we've had tons of QB injuries and we're missing arguably our top 2 defensive backs.
I'm disappointed in losing a winnable road game because we lost in the last minute, but I'm far from being upset with the state of the program. I don't think we are devoid of talent and this is obviously a building year for K-State. If we can manage 6-7 wins and a bowl game in a competitive league I won't be disappointed at all.
I was most upset by the defense failing yet again to close out a half. This was supposed to the "strength" of the team.
La Tech:
2:00 left in the first half -> let them drive 59 yards for a FG
1:16 left in the second half -> let them drive 60 yards for a FG
OSU:
4:37 left in the first half -> let them drive 83 yards for a TD
3:01 left in the second half -> let them drive 45 yards for a FG
Four halves in a row where the defense failed to get a stop.
We had a miraculous offensive first half just flushed away because we couldn't stop a team with a poor QB from converting 3rd and longs. We used to love to claim that it's not "luck" but that Bill's teams were just that well-coached etc. It was because of Bill's genius that we could take advantage of the opportunities our opponents would give us. But this team has not.
It's not that our plucky team almost scratched out a victory, rather it was our team refusing to take the game that OSU so desperately tried to give us (+2 in TO margin and those TOs were at the most fortunate times as well, blocked extra point, unable to stop our WR/QB, horrible play calling from Gundy)! Everything lined up that possibly could have (once our starting QB went down) and we still managed to lose.
In defense of the, well, defense that 3rd and long in the second quarter has officially been acknowledged as a mistake by the Big 12. So, we did make a stop there.
OSU may have ended up converting a 4th down there, had they gone for it, but we did stop them about four yards short of the marker.
No we didn't. Both teams played to markers. The play on the field went past the sticks as on the field.
Which was wrong. :dunno: