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Title: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: renocat on September 23, 2015, 06:37:08 PM
With all due respect the Pope does not speak for Bible believing Christians who don't believe in work righteousness as Catholics do.  We believe you can't work your way to heaven.  The beliefs of the Catholic Church is why they push a social gospel.
Title: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on September 23, 2015, 06:48:39 PM
I don't understand the rights hate of the pope.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on September 23, 2015, 06:49:08 PM
Did they hate previous popes?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Tobias on September 23, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
i would like to know more about this too
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 23, 2015, 08:07:34 PM
Pretty sure they were ok with the one that protected child molesters
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on September 23, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
The pope is a boss. I pity all who don't like him.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Institutional Control on September 23, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
This is easily reno's worst thread. Not a very creative title iyam.


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2015, 09:57:31 PM
I really, really like El Papa. 
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
this was shared several times today on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/10153193908191167/?pnref=story
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 23, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
With all due respect the Pope does not speak for Bible believing Christians who don't believe in work righteousness as Catholics do.  We believe you can't work your way to heaven.  The beliefs of the Catholic Church is why they push a social gospel.
I think the Pope just reads James 2: 14-26. Maybe other Christians don't?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: renocat on September 23, 2015, 10:41:44 PM
With all due respect the Pope does not speak for Bible believing Christians who don't believe in work righteousness as Catholics do.  We believe you can't work you
r way to heaven.  The beliefs of the Catholic Church is why they push a social gospel.
I think the Pope just reads James 2: 14-26. Maybe other Christians don't?
Good point
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2015, 11:38:41 PM
this was shared several times today on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/10153193908191167/?pnref=story
Adam Jones is the best.  An old professor of mine was a regular on his show.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on September 24, 2015, 01:31:35 AM
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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: ednksu on September 24, 2015, 11:22:34 AM
man this pope is crushing it on his D.C. tour
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 24, 2015, 11:27:01 AM
All the super Catholics are upset because he supposedly said you don't have to believe in God to go to heaven. (I don't think that's exactly what he said though.)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
BUILD MOAR CHURCHES!!!!! MASS CONVERSIONS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 24, 2015, 11:56:03 AM
He should be the pope that sells off all of the Vatican's assets to give to the poor around the world.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2015, 11:59:28 AM
That would be great jd  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 12:00:44 PM
Finally get those Catholics to do something charitable! :emawkid:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
That would be great too slobber
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Canary on September 24, 2015, 12:13:44 PM
That would be great too slobber
Yes, we greedy Catholics; I mean those damn greedy Catholics!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
I like that some people in this board get me.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Canary on September 24, 2015, 12:44:44 PM
I like that some people in this board get me.


Gonna win 'em all!
You have been very good to me on this board.   :)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on September 24, 2015, 12:52:02 PM
This guy has conservatives enraged again for some reason.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
This guy has conservatives enraged again for some reason.
At work (and even on this board, all though it is masked better on the board), some non-conservatives are enraged at the conservatives being enraged. I am concerned that (another) modern day holy war is going to break out.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Yard Dog on September 24, 2015, 02:12:15 PM
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It looks like the pope just let out a fart. Nothing brings men of all different belief systems together like a good ol' barn burner.

No matter what, that picture is what the kids call "totes adorbs"
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2015, 02:12:36 PM
Slobber seems to have trouble distinguishing between  :confused: and  :curse:

Dax often does too, so maybe it's a southern thing
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: ednksu on September 24, 2015, 02:14:07 PM
This guy has conservatives enraged again for some reason.
At work (and even on this board, all though it is masked better on the board), some non-conservatives are enraged at the conservatives being enraged. I am concerned that (another) modern day holy war is going to break out.

Probably not.  But some of the more bad person Catholics might  :buh-bye: by the time Francis is done reforming dragging the Church into the 21st century.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: ednksu on September 24, 2015, 02:14:46 PM
All the super Catholics are upset because he supposedly said you don't have to believe in God to go to heaven. (I don't think that's exactly what he said though.)

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on September 24, 2015, 02:15:11 PM
Slobber seems to have trouble distinguishing between  :confused: and  :curse:

Dax often does too, so maybe it's a southern thing

is wacky southern?
Title: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on September 24, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Slobber seems to have trouble distinguishing between  :confused: and  :curse:

Dax often does too, so maybe it's a southern thing

Yeah, I'm confused as to why, not mad about it. I agree with the pope on some things and not on some others. Same with most people. Seems like a great guy though.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
Like the last guy was pretty clearly a terrible person. The one before that was alright (I think, though I didn't really pay attention back then).
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on September 24, 2015, 02:29:23 PM
This guy has conservatives enraged again for some reason.
At work (and even on this board, all though it is masked better on the board), some non-conservatives are enraged at the conservatives being enraged. I am concerned that (another) modern day holy war is going to break out.

Probably not.  But some of the more bad person Catholics might  :buh-bye: by the time Francis is done reforming dragging the Church into the 21st century.
Good riddance. This pope is a godsend. I have yet to hear one bad thing about him. All I hear are great admirable things. Pope for President.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Yard Dog on September 24, 2015, 02:45:57 PM
Like the last guy was pretty clearly a terrible person. The one before that was alright (I think, though I didn't really pay attention back then).

PJP2 was pretty cool. He was well loved. I was too young to have a very developed opinion about him.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: puniraptor on September 24, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Like the last guy was pretty clearly a terrible person. The one before that was alright (I think, though I didn't really pay attention back then).

PJP2 was pretty cool. He was well loved. I was too young to have a very developed opinion about him.

he did preside over the coverups of the sex abuse epidemics
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on September 24, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
Well, I know nothing about him but that doesn't sound cool guys
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on September 24, 2015, 03:06:52 PM
to answer the original question: i think a lot of hardcore conservatives have it in their heads that "liberals" have it out for religion, especially christianity. so when the defacto face of christianity comes out and supports a bunch of ideas that are typically associated with "liberals", i think it messes with their heads quite a bit and they just can't handle it. that's just a guess on my part but i think it's pretty accurate, at least for some.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on September 24, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
I think his message is more in line with Christ than theirs. Also, he has access to all those hidden texts. :)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on September 24, 2015, 03:09:38 PM
i mean hardcore conservative christians just can't help themselves, PR-wise. i mean here is a pope universally loved. all you have to do is agree and maybe even claim him as one of your own. nope, best to not trust it because liberals/media/whatever like him  :lol:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
Slobber seems to have trouble distinguishing between  :confused: and  :curse:

Dax often does too, so maybe it's a southern thing
Are you masking something?  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Slobber seems to have trouble distinguishing between  :confused: and  :curse:

Dax often does too, so maybe it's a southern thing

Yeah, I'm confused as to why, not mad about it. I agree with the pope on some things and not on some others. Same with most people. Seems like a great guy though.
Well of course you are not mad. I never said everyone was! ;)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 24, 2015, 03:14:55 PM
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It looks like the pope just let out a fart. Nothing brings men of all different belief systems together like a good ol' barn burner.

No matter what, that picture is what the kids call "totes adorbs"
That one guy in the background is one of the Catholics that isn't happy right now. "Why is he laughing with the liberal leader of the free world??!"  :curse: (but not too cursey, because catholic)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2015, 03:17:12 PM
slobbs, if he's Catholic he's probably cursing pretty badly.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: ednksu on September 24, 2015, 03:24:49 PM
Like the last guy was pretty clearly a terrible person. The one before that was alright (I think, though I didn't really pay attention back then).

PJP2 was pretty cool. He was well loved. I was too young to have a very developed opinion about him.

he did preside over the coverups of the sex abuse epidemics

Probably me being hopeful, but I don't think he was "in" office at that point when it started to unravel.  I think Joey Rats and the nuts were running too much of the show and didn't let the info get that high up to JP.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: gatoveintisiet on September 24, 2015, 04:10:14 PM
Do you remember Speedy Gonzales?  Me too but I betcha didn't know that they made his cousin Slowpoke Gonzales the Pope, never would have believed it 'til I heard his speech today.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: puniraptor on September 24, 2015, 04:12:34 PM
Like the last guy was pretty clearly a terrible person. The one before that was alright (I think, though I didn't really pay attention back then).

PJP2 was pretty cool. He was well loved. I was too young to have a very developed opinion about him.

he did preside over the coverups of the sex abuse epidemics

Probably me being hopeful, but I don't think he was "in" office at that point when it started to unravel.  I think Joey Rats and the nuts were running too much of the show and didn't let the info get that high up to JP.

they were definitely paying huge settlements and massive piles of hush money. he may not have known, but he was still the CEO
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: wetwillie on September 24, 2015, 06:47:42 PM
So kids arent being diddled by catholic priests like they used to?  That is really good news.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Institutional Control on September 24, 2015, 07:40:19 PM
Good news for me here!!
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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 24, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Maybe he really will sell off all the church assets. No need for churches or religion.  :Chirp:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 24, 2015, 10:09:15 PM
Would be pretty studly
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: renocat on September 24, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
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It looks like the pope just let out a fart. Nothing brings men of all different belief systems together like a good ol' barn burner.

No matter what, that picture is what the kids call "totes adorbs"
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2015, 07:48:21 AM
ProgLibs love their pope. 

I think of the religion hating ProgLibs and their pope and this old song comes to mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_284Y8Wu7c
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 08:02:53 AM
ProgLibs love their pope. 

I think of the religion hating ProgLibs and their pope and this old song comes to mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_284Y8Wu7c

to answer the original question: i think a lot of hardcore conservatives have it in their heads that "liberals" have it out for religion, especially christianity. so when the defacto face of christianity comes out and supports a bunch of ideas that are typically associated with "liberals", i think it messes with their heads quite a bit and they just can't handle it. that's just a guess on my part but i think it's pretty accurate, at least for some.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2015, 08:27:46 AM
No need to over explain yourselves (as usual)  Lib and mocat , it's just an observation. 


Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 25, 2015, 08:36:36 AM
So, are we all in agreement that this Pope has basically helped the church survive? 

Makes me pleased to send his private schools in our area my $$
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on September 25, 2015, 08:55:17 AM

So, are we all in agreement that this Pope has basically helped the church survive? 

Makes me pleased to send his private schools in our area my $$
YES. Agreed. In all counts.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
to answer the original question: i think a lot of hardcore conservatives have it in their heads that "liberals" have it out for religion, especially christianity. so when the defacto face of christianity comes out and supports a bunch of ideas that are typically associated with "liberals", i think it messes with their heads quite a bit and they just can't handle it. that's just a guess on my part but i think it's pretty accurate, at least for some.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12063529_736283379838176_6144020366831135826_n.jpg?oh=b7c2b23effb5816cfd708837a1536a5e&oe=568D7FE9)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on September 25, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
feels pretty good, guys  :cool:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 25, 2015, 09:33:07 AM
the Pope is building goddam bridges like he was LJMhawk over there.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
feels pretty good, guys  :cool:

Happy for you
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Yard Dog on September 25, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
Quote
Why does Pope Francis back liberal causes directly, conservative causes subtly?

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?ID=1113#st_refDomain=www.facebook.com&st_refQuery=/
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 10:02:01 AM
You read some of the stupidest crap I've ever seen
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: gatoveintisiet on September 25, 2015, 10:23:48 AM
Quote
Why does Pope Francis back liberal causes directly, conservative causes subtly?

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?ID=1113#st_refDomain=www.facebook.com&st_refQuery=/

The puppet master!  :love:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: ednksu on September 25, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
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Why does Pope Francis back liberal causes directly, conservative causes subtly?

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?ID=1113#st_refDomain=www.facebook.com&st_refQuery=/

Just the previous day, in his talk to the US bishops’ conference, the Pope had cautioned against a confrontational approach. “Harsh and divisive language does not befit the tongue of a pastor,” he said. When he spoke to Congress, I believe, the Pope was following his own advice.

Notice how the Holy Father approached the question of international terrorism:

We know that no religion is immune from forms of individual delusion or ideological extremism. This means that we must be especially attentive to every type of fundamentalism, whether religious or of any other kind.
The specific problem troubling the world today is not just any form of religious extremism, but Islamic extremism. However, to say that aloud is to invite a firestorm; remember how Pope Benedict XVI paid for his candid comments on Islam in his Regensburg lecture. Pope Francis evidently believed that he did not need to mention Islamic extremism in particular; he could count on his listeners to draw the obvious inferences.

 
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Good God how do these people miss this time and time again...
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2015, 12:26:51 PM
Fantastic explaining going on in this thread , just fabulous. 
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 25, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
Fantastic explaining going on in this thread , just fabulous.

Am I doing any of that?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Not really.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/25/pope-francis-prog-rock-album
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on September 30, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
so the pope apparently high fived that white trash lady who wouldn't let homosexuals get married. could buy him some points from his conservative haters maybe?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on September 30, 2015, 12:43:55 PM
Didn't offer to go to jail for her  :curse:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 30, 2015, 01:28:23 PM
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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 30, 2015, 01:31:48 PM
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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on September 30, 2015, 04:08:14 PM
Huckabee is an idiot.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Yard Dog on October 01, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
Huckabee is an idiot.

Agreed. The sooner his face isn't being associated with the Republican party the better.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on October 01, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
Huckabee is an idiot.

Agreed. The sooner his face isn't being associated with the Republican party the better.
I agree. I can't wait until the Republican party, or some third party, is competitive again.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Yard Dog on October 01, 2015, 04:12:11 PM
Huckabee is an idiot.

Agreed. The sooner his face isn't being associated with the Republican party the better.
I agree. I can't wait until the Republican party, or some third party, is competitive again.
After Obama's last win everyone I talked to agreed that Republicans needed to get rid of the old guard and usher in some new blood. Well, Boehner is gone, and Rubio is looking like a great candidate. So we got some of what we wanted?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on October 01, 2015, 10:23:55 PM
Huckabee is an idiot.

Agreed. The sooner his face isn't being associated with the Republican party the better.
I agree. I can't wait until the Republican party, or some third party, is competitive again.
After Obama's last win everyone I talked to agreed that Republicans needed to get rid of the old guard and usher in some new blood. Well, Boehner is gone, and Rubio is looking like a great candidate. So we got some of what we wanted?
I generally vote Democrat. I'd just like for it to not be such an easy choice.

Also, a lot of people I know that voted R most of their life voted for Obama and democtats in the last two election cycles.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 11:58:40 PM
I don't like it when religious leaders conflate charity with forced redistribution. I suppose they take the approach that the end justifies the means, but there is no morality in forced redistribution of wealth. The Catholic Church is particularly bad about this, I guess because it is most strongly rooted in socialist and quasi-socialist countries, and most Catholic immigrants to the US were quickly co-opted by the Democrat political machine.

Pope Francis seems to be emblematic of this problem. While I agree with him on social issues such as gay marriage and abortion (oddly, you don't hear much about those positions from his liberal cheerleaders), he has made some pretty stupid comments about capitalism. This is a guy who hails from Argentina, a once very prosperous nation that has been ravaged by socialism, so he should know better.

And regarding immigration, I think it's fair to say he's an open borders kind of guy. Except for the Vatican and its property and treasure around the globe. No, that seems to be kept pretty well walled off. Seems a bit hypocritical.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 12:05:22 AM
does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 06:02:07 AM

does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 06:27:10 AM

does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.


Gonna win 'em all!
Whys that?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2015, 08:48:25 AM
does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:

I don't think paying taxes is necessarily an endorsement of everything that's done with those taxes, but maybe I'm wrong. As far as I can tell from the Gospels, Jesus stayed out of politics, unlike Pope Francis.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Yard Dog on October 02, 2015, 09:49:58 AM
so the pope apparently high fived that white trash lady who wouldn't let homosexuals get married. could buy him some points from his conservative haters maybe?

The vatican released a response to this today. Apparently she was in a room with 23 other people who got to see the pope for like 12 minutes. The fact that he supposedly singled her out is a mischaracterization of the truth. They also clarified a statement he later made about supporting conscientious objectors was not directed at Kim Davis.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 12:27:25 PM


does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.


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Whys that?
Out of context.
The people were trying to trick Jesus. I don't think Jesus gave a crap about paying taxes. He knew what was on the coin, so he asked who's picture was on the coin. Well, if it's Caesar, then it must be his so give it to him.
The following message was the important one: give to God what is God's.
Now, what is God's, exactly? Well if God created us, then we are God's. (Important use of an apostrophe!)


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
What trick? Jews didn't want to pay taxes and jesus said they should pay. How is that a trick
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 12:37:14 PM
What trick? Jews didn't want to pay taxes and jesus said they should pay. How is that a trick

it's one interpretation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 12:37:44 PM

What trick? Jews didn't want to pay taxes and jesus said they should pay. How is that a trick
13 They sent some Pharisees and Herodians to him to ensnare him in his speech.

Mark 12:13 | NABRE


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 12:49:48 PM
He didn't say what they wanted him to say, I don't see how that's a trick
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
Now you are just being funny.


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 01:14:40 PM
You implied that Jesus was tricked into saying that quote, when it was exactly the opposite of what the tricking people wanted to hear. Connect the dots for me, I'm admittedly no bible scholar
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 01:22:40 PM
And I pretty much only read "render unto..."  by the far right in a rant against paying taxes, which has always confused me given the context
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
You implied that Jesus was tricked into saying that quote, when it was exactly the opposite of what the tricking people wanted to hear. Connect the dots for me, I'm admittedly no bible scholar

did you read the link i linked?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 01:52:53 PM
You implied that Jesus was tricked into saying that quote, when it was exactly the opposite of what the tricking people wanted to hear. Connect the dots for me, I'm admittedly no bible scholar

did you read the link i linked?

Like 2 or 3 days ago, that's why it was on my mind
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 01:58:14 PM
well it explains the interpretation dobbsie is saying.  jesus wasn't tricked into the quote, the questioners were trying to trick him into saying something seditious so they could arrest him and he resisted with some simpleton's logic about how since coins have caesar's image on them they must belong to caesar, so yeah, it's ok to pay the tax since it's caesar's money in the first place.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 01:59:48 PM
Exactly what I'm saying  :dunno:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
Exactly what I'm saying  :dunno:
They TRIED to TRICK him. That is what I said.
The bible says they were sent to "ensnare him in his speech"
The thesaurus says that 'trick' is a synonym for 'ensnare'.
You really are succeeding at being a contrarian, but I am not certain if that is your intent!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.
Whys that?
Out of context.
The people were trying to trick Jesus. I don't think Jesus gave a crap about paying taxes. He knew what was on the coin, so he asked who's picture was on the coin. Well, if it's Caesar, then it must be his so give it to him.
The following message was the important one: give to God what is God's.
Now, what is God's, exactly? Well if God created us, then we are God's. (Important use of an apostrophe!)

there is a misunderstanding here between dobber and lib, but it's not to do with the "trick" part.
dobber is clearly saying here that Jesus only said "give unto caesar what is caesar's" as a way of not getting tricked, and not because He actually believed it. that's a pretty terrible interpretation, imo. Jesus is very clearly telling you to pay taxes
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:20:48 PM
the "surprise" came because everyone (Jews and Romans alike) thought Jesus claiming to be the Messiah meant Jesus would help the Jews overthrow their Roman rulers, when that was not at all his intention
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Crap, I am going to have to rethink all that I hold dear.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 02:22:51 PM
"give unto" sounds stupid.  it's "render unto".
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:23:54 PM
it means the same thing in this case. don't cloud the issue
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 02:25:38 PM
I didn't even consider that slobber thought Jesus was lying, interesting take mocat.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
I didn't even consider that slobber thought Jesus was lying, interesting take mocat.

not so much lying. dobber thought Jesus was just outclevering what was intended to be a clever question, without really saying anything.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 02:28:40 PM
Jesus is big fat liar!!!!





(Jesus, you know I am just kidding. I'd like to think that you have a sense of humor...maybe you could share some of that with some of these non-believers on gE? Thank you. Amen)
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 02:29:21 PM
language is never a side issue, mocat.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:30:37 PM
listen i like renderings as much as the next cat fan, but this is not the appropriate thread
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
besides, they are not exact synonyms.  render has the connotation of returning or giving something back or of giving something in exchange for something else while give is more universal and has more of a charitable connotation.

an important distinction, with respect to caesar's coin, mocat, my friend.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 02:35:05 PM
I didn't even consider that slobber thought Jesus was lying, interesting take mocat.

not so much lying. dobber thought Jesus was just outclevering what was intended to be a clever question, without really saying anything.
I am pretty sure Jesus didn't feel the need to get in pissing matches, so outclevering is probably not how I would characterize it. It is the phrase immediately after the famous Caesar phrase that I think is more important.

Jesus was pretty amazing. He handled crap like this everyday. My feeble mind is exhausted from this simple back and forth!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
I think they both interact coequally, slobber. Why do you think the paying taxes part is easily dismissed?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Jesus was pretty amazing. He handled crap like this everyday. My feeble mind is exhausted from this simple back and forth!

keep in mind that a lot of the people he was talking with had never even gone to college.  wasn't exactly hard to run circles around people like that.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 02:39:21 PM
I think they both interact coequally, slobber. Why do you think the paying taxes part is easily dismissed?
I don't think Jesus gave a crap about money.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
"give unto" sounds stupid.  it's "render unto".
Gmab
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 02:42:11 PM
So he was just speaking flippintly (sp?) and  :rolleyes: during the first part but gets super cereal about the second part?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:43:37 PM
i disagree with dobber
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Are there any other examples of Jesus saying something he didn't really mean?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2015, 02:51:30 PM
just because internet personality slobberksu does not think Jesus meant something does not make it so
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 02, 2015, 03:09:13 PM

Are there any other examples of Jesus saying something he didn't really mean?
unimportant and didn't really mean are not the same thing


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: wetwillie on October 02, 2015, 03:12:05 PM
Let's do luke chapter 6 next :excited:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2015, 03:14:37 PM
if he ever said anything about any of this he wasn't speaking English and arguing about what English word is the closest to what he would have said to decide if this ancient guy thought people should pay their taxes when he possibly had some conversation and it was written down later by someone who probably wasn't there if it did happen is so stupid my eyes fell out from reading it.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Fedor on October 02, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
if he ever said anything about any of this he wasn't speaking English and arguing about what English word is the closest to what he would have said to decide if this ancient guy thought people should pay their taxes when he possibly had some conversation and it was written down later by someone who probably wasn't there if it did happen is so stupid my eyes fell out from reading it.
Great! SD is blind, are you guys happy now??!!
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: sys on October 02, 2015, 03:18:20 PM
if he ever said anything about any of this he wasn't speaking English and arguing about what English word is the closest to what he would have said to decide if this ancient guy thought people should pay their taxes when he possibly had some conversation and it was written down later by someone who probably wasn't there if it did happen is so stupid my eyes fell out from reading it.

you're wrong.  translation is as important as composition.  maybe more so.  and whether it happened or not is beside the point.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2015, 03:20:16 PM
The "truth" of the bible is moot due to its influence
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 03, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
Libtards love him because he made some passing remarks about protecting the environment and the state helping the destitute. Which is hilarious because virtually everything else he says is stuff that ordinarily gets them rioting and sending death threats and trying to pass anti first amendment censorship legislation. But libtards gonna libtard
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 09, 2015, 10:59:38 AM
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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: michigancat on October 09, 2015, 11:06:57 AM
How come we never hear the Roman's side of the crucifixion story?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2015, 11:12:52 AM
How come we never hear the Roman's side of the crucifixion story?

It was a fairly standard punishment for them.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: 8manpick on October 09, 2015, 12:48:10 PM

Jesus is big fat liar!!!!





(Jesus, you know I am just kidding. I'd like to think that you have a sense of humor...maybe you could share some of that with some of these non-believers on gE? Thank you. Amen)


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: renocat on October 10, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
Do catholic stuff, all of the holy Joe stuff in the Bible, pay taxes, scratch your butt in a cross pattern and none of it will get you to heaven.  Believe in Jesus as your savior and the one that digs you out of the dung heap of sin.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: slobber on October 10, 2015, 02:08:49 PM

Believe in Jesus as your savior and the one that digs you out of the dung heap of sin.
That is Catholic Stuff


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: brandochav on October 10, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
Do catholic stuff, all of the holy Joe stuff in the Bible, pay taxes, scratch your butt in a cross pattern and none of it will get you to heaven.  Believe in Jesus as your savior and the one that digs you out of the dung heap of sin.

Isn't one of the big messages from Jesus is that you have to save yourself?

Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: renocat on May 22, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
Sorry pope, I don't share your thoughts on God creating gay people.  I do agree that all people need to be respected and treated with common human decency and that this includes like rights.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2018, 10:12:43 AM
Who do you think creates gay people reno?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
Who do you think creates gay people reno?

Jesus
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: renocat on May 22, 2018, 02:26:15 PM
Who do you think creates gay people reno?
I don't think God is in heaven creating baby gravy to implant babies in women.  God created man and woman as perfect beings with the purpose to procreate and multiply the human race.  Adam and Eve sinned, and the world was plunged into Chaos.  Somewhere along the line the perfect creatures were akewed.  Straight dude if you are stroking your hasloidies right now thinking you ain't skewed too, then I have bad news for you.  The remenant of the spirit of God remains in each person born, but so does the fallen man.  Jesus can restore the right relationship with God.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Institutional Control on May 22, 2018, 02:54:40 PM
Praise be.


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: CHONGS on May 22, 2018, 03:21:31 PM
Trump is the real Pope.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2018, 06:15:18 PM
I’m not a huge fan of the pope hating nu-right.


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 22, 2018, 06:59:22 PM
I’m not a huge fan of the pope hating nu-right.


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Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2018, 07:00:22 PM
the right has been distrustful of the pope for many years.  they hated kennedy because they thought he would do the pope's bidding
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 22, 2018, 08:48:34 PM
Who do you think creates gay people reno?

The same guy who creates chomo priests?
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 09:13:21 PM
Who do you think creates gay people reno?

The same guy who creates chomo priests?

Jesus
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 22, 2018, 10:04:49 PM
It's odd to see the atheist libtards fawning over the leader of imagination land chomo safe space.
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 10:19:43 PM
It’s odd to see people hate our lord and savior.  T’s & P’s
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 22, 2018, 10:28:18 PM
Hey look, DD is a catholic
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
I am?!   :Wha:
Title: Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 16, 2018, 09:13:46 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1008162333800173569?s=19