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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: j rake on September 23, 2015, 12:54:36 PM
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it doesn't look good. :frown:
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THAT ISU WIN! :love:
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oscar wouldn't even get fired for that :frown:
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THAT ISU WIN! :love:
yeah, that one is actually in overtime too.
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would take
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didn't we lose at home to TCU last year?
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oscar wouldn't even get fired for that :frown:
if he loses 12 in a row he's getting his ass fired one way or the other
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didn't we lose at home to TCU last year?
no, lost at sprint center.
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That Georgia game is a W for us no matter how it plays out.
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I hope we win 2 games and they're both against ISU
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seems like we play ole miss all the damn time
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seems like we play ole miss all the damn time
it's bob and franks bud so I think we just scheduled them for an annual
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didn't we lose at home to TCU last year?
no, lost at sprint center.
that's right (i did not want to even look it up)
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oscar wouldn't even get fired for that :frown:
i mean what is this
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I have no idea what it would take for Currie to fire oscar, but if that record isn't enough, then nothing is.
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I have no idea what it would take for Currie to fire oscar, but if that record isn't enough, then nothing is.
If we only win 8 games and still keep oscar I will randomly pick one piece of KSU memorabilia that I own and set it on fire.
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I have no idea what it would take for Currie to fire oscar, but if that record isn't enough, then nothing is.
I think that would do it. It will take a lot, but I think a last place finish in the Big 12 puts the nail in the coffin.
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That's missing a loss. If we lose to Mizzou, we're also losing to Northwestern.
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:cry:
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That record looks bad in green and red, but it doesn't reflect the accompanying adversity explanations. He'll be fine.
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jrake: hehe, I'm going to prognosticate some bad stuff for KSU sports, hehe
gE: GOOD, we all hope we suck
jrake: :Crybaby:
IN YOUR FACE RAKE, WE ALL KNOW WHAT GAME YOU'RE PLAYING YOU OLD HOUND DOG
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I'm anticipating the "K-State wants to keep it in the 50s because oscar Weber is such a tough, defensive minded coach!" talking point for every game.
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We are going to have a lot of single digit losses. The team will look like they are about to turn the corner.
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We lost Bolden unexpectedly, so that's gonna cost us a handful of games that we'd have otherwise won.
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See anyone in College Station for the Texas A&M loss?
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This team is going to be really young. We will be waiting on leadership to emerge.
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jrake: hehe, I'm going to prognosticate some bad stuff for KSU sports, hehe
gE: GOOD, we all hope we suck
jrake: :Crybaby:
IN YOUR FACE RAKE, WE ALL KNOW WHAT GAME YOU'RE PLAYING YOU OLD HOUND DOG
lol, i thought the isu victory was a nice touch.
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“We didn’t have kids who did the right things, and we had to make a decision. We feel good about the guys we have coming in. We feel good about the guys we have coming back. I think with a great spring and summer we are going to be very competitive.”
“It is never fun (to go through a season like this). The tough love and all that stuff is not fun. I want to coach. That is what I want to do, but that is just a small portion of our job. If we get the right guys in here, then you get to do the coaching like you want and then it is much more fun.”
“Two years ago, when we had all those young freshmen here, I don’t think any of you thought a couple of them would step up like they did. We obviously will need some guys to step in and have immediate impacts if we are going to be special. But I don’t think there is any doubt that is possible.”
“I think it is pretty obvious why they had to be let go, I don’t need to get into it. We are just worried about getting guys that want to be here and play K-State basketball. Guys that play their butts off, go to class, take pride in getting a degree and just act right. That’s all there is to it.”
“You can’t be a union worker and be a great basketball player. If you only come when the coaches are there, you are not going to be special.”
“Sometimes you have to go through some growing pains to make some progress.”
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Is that real?
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Is that real?
Every word.
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Why does oscar hate union workers?
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We need a union to start a campaign to get rid of oscar, those guys can be pretty persuasive.
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We need a union to start a campaign to get rid of oscar, those guys can be pretty persuasive.
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I'm anticipating the "K-State wants to keep it in the 50s because oscar Weber is such a tough, defensive minded coach!" talking point for every game.
Unwatchable.
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That union worker quote is very "K-State". Most of our fanbase would love oscar if the program wasn't in the process of being burned down.
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See anyone in College Station for the Texas A&M loss?
:lol:
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We will be at least 9-2 in non conference games. Losses to North Carolina and A&M. I would not be surprised if we beat NC as old Roy hatches a dog turd each fall.
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We will be at least 9-2 in non conference games. Losses to North Carolina and A&M. I would not be surprised if we beat NC as old Roy hatches a dog turd each fall.
if we play North Carolina, they will win by more than 30
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We will be at least 9-2 in non conference games. Losses to North Carolina and A&M. I would not be surprised if we beat NC as old Roy hatches a dog turd each fall.
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What is the worst winning percentage K-State basketball has ever had?
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What is the worst winning percentage K-State basketball has ever had?
The 1922-23 team went 2-14 (.125).
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What is the worst winning percentage K-State basketball has ever had?
The 1922-23 team went 2-14 (.125).
When is the last time we had a record worse than .267?
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What is the worst winning percentage K-State basketball has ever had?
The 1922-23 team went 2-14 (.125).
When is the last time we had a record worse than .267?
4-20, .167 in 1945-46
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Oh, wow. My parents weren't even born yet. This could be a once in 2 lifetimes kind of a season.
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would be increds
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History awaits :emawkid:
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Oh crap, I gotta check something.
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That would be 8-10 in the fOOD and the streak would be hamburger.
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Who in the eff is Columbia and who in the eff do they think they are walking out of fOOD with a W?
Gonna win 'em all!
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That would be 8-10 in the fOOD and the streak would be hamburger.
:frown:
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Was it "winning" or "non-losing?" If it's winning, it'd be the squawks ending the streak on 2/20.
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Home court winning record streak. :frown:
You had to destroy everything, oscar.
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You see EMAW in a barren sprint center on a rough ridin' wednesday and think it can't get any worse and then you remember the streak.
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Relax. The Cats will be fine, the streak preserved, and not all will be lost. I'm not on the keep oscar or fire oscar team. I'm just going to keep cheering for the Cats. And as every year I am curious how well this group can compete. None of us knows that yet. We may have had better who didn't perform well, and we may have had rose who played better. I'm going to let the season unfold.
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Hang on a second, I thought it was odd that we had an even number of home games, and saw I counted the Colorado State loss in the home record.
Projected 8-9 at home, so only need to flip one of those home losses to extend!
But under the Rake outlook, the streak would be broken in the CTR. :frown:
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Relax. The Cats will be fine, the streak preserved, and not all will be lost. I'm not on the keep oscar or fire oscar team. I'm just going to keep cheering for the Cats. And as every year I am curious how well this group can compete. None of us knows that yet. We may have had better who didn't perform well, and we may have had rose who played better. I'm going to let the season unfold.
We know how they'll be coached.
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That would be 8-10 in the fOOD and the streak would be hamburger.
that should just about put this ridiculous notion of going 3-15 to bed. good fact-checking, trim.
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That would be 8-10 in the fOOD and the streak would be hamburger.
that should just about put this ridiculous notion of going 3-15 to bed. good fact-checking, trim.
But I miscounted and the Rake projection comes out to an 8-9 fOOD record. I know any projection that has the streak ending in our lifetime seems absurd, but that's only 1 game that would have to be flipped. And it could be the Columbia game that's the pivotal one, leaving us still at 3-15 in the Big 12. :runaway:
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it could be the Columbia game that's the pivotal one, leaving us still at 3-15 in the Big 12. :runaway:
we shouldn't even be playing missouri, if we lose, we'll have gotten what we deserve.
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it could be the Columbia game that's the pivotal one, leaving us still at 3-15 in the Big 12. :runaway:
we shouldn't even be playing missouri, if we lose, we'll have gotten what we deserve.
:lol: if this is a Columbia, Missouri joke.
:lol: :lol: :lol: if your syslexia led you to not realize Rake has us losing to Columbia University at home.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: if your syslexia led you to not realize Rake has us losing to Columbia University at home.
i'll be honest, i never actually looked at j rake's projection. how embarrassing.
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If we can just get 6 Ws in the fOOD vs. the pre-big 12 non-con of Maryland-Eastern Shore, Columbia, South Dakota, South Carolina State, Coppin State, North Dakota and Saint Louis, we'd extend the streak even w/Rake's 3-15 conference prognosis AND losing at home in that weird SEC challenge game vs. Ole Miss.
Columbia is the big swing game, on a Monday night no less for those of you lamenting the lack of Big Monday games.
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we'll get the six. because the alternative is unimaginable.
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we'll get the six. because the alternative is unimaginable.
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man, it's really hard to not have a long home season winning record. it would almost be tough to hand craft a schedule that screws it up
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Not extending The Streak is a fireable offense IMO
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obvs
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i mean, you have to be a real crap for brains
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Not extending The Streak is a fireable offense IMO
All 3 of them.
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Pretty sure it is seasons without a losing home record. Also pretty sure they found out at some point it wasn't even the longest. That or somebody else (Kentucky :dunno:) had a longer one, but lost out on a technicality like vacated wins or something.
Prognostications seem about right tho!
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Pretty sure it is seasons without a losing home record. Also pretty sure they found out at some point it wasn't even the longest. That or somebody else (Kentucky :dunno:) had a longer one, but lost out on a technicality like vacated wins or something.
Prognostications seem about right tho!
Yeah, there's def a thread on here where we found when KSU quit trumpeting the streak, but we don't have to. And the winning vs. non-losing distinction won't matter b/c I miscounted and there's 17 home games so .500's off the table.
Too bad The Ed broke up w/us all. I could've gotten the streak stats, STRAIGHT, and given them to Ed and had him call up #oscar and wyatt and delve into it.
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I think we lose the TCU game here. Sorry. :bang:
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you don't have to apologize if you haven't bought tickets
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you don't have to apologize if you haven't bought tickets
I have again, although I don't know why. Maybe I'm getting delusional. I hope not. I'll know for sure after the noncon games.
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I hate you for buying tickets
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Pretty sure it is seasons without a losing home record. Also pretty sure they found out at some point it wasn't even the longest. That or somebody else (Kentucky :dunno:) had a longer one, but lost out on a technicality like vacated wins or something.
Prognostications seem about right tho!
Yeah, well, vacated wins don't count so we should go ahead and trumpet the streak to everyone that will hear about it. This might be the last year that Kansas State can say they have the best home court in America.
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Lets make T-Shirts. Then we can x them out and say, "Thanks oscar" on the back in black marker.
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Lets make T-Shirts. Then we can x them out and say, "Thanks oscar" on the back in black marker.
That's mean, slobber... But very :ROFL:
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columbia climbed as high as 112th last year in KenPom and was a top 150 level team entering march. they return four of five starters from last year as well as a couple of role players. ten of twelve players are juniors and seniors, and you might recall they went on the road at kentucky last year and led them at half before losing by 10.
long story short, they'll beat ksu as noted in the OP.
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8 wins sounds positive to me, actually.
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I mean this won't get him fired. Of course it won't. NOTHING this year short of a player dying on court because oscar withheld medical care will get him fired.
This is a mulligan season that doesn't really count.
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NOTHING this year short of a player dying on court because oscar withheld medical care will get him fired.
this is just the violinist restated.
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If this HAD to happen, which player would you want it to be?
I'll defer to renocat on the selection myself.
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it's probably not ethical to express a preference.
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Extending the streak with this year's team will warrant a contract extension.
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I mean this won't get him fired. Of course it won't. NOTHING this year short of a player dying on court because oscar withheld medical care will get him fired.
This is a mulligan season that doesn't really count.
Ultimately we all know this is true.
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Pretty sure it is seasons without a losing home record. Also pretty sure they found out at some point it wasn't even the longest. That or somebody else (Kentucky :dunno:) had a longer one, but lost out on a technicality like vacated wins or something.
Prognostications seem about right tho!
Yeah, well, vacated wins don't count so we should go ahead and trumpet the streak to everyone that will hear about it. This might be the last year that Kansas State can say they have the best home court in America.
I think it is our duty as real K-State fans to brag about this streak all season. So if we do lose it, everyone will know how big of a deal it is.
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It's not known as The Streak for nothing.
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I was just talking about THE STREAK and some dumbass in the office just said something about Joe DeMatto. Is that KU's quarterback?
Gonna win 'em all!
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I mean this won't get him fired. Of course it won't. NOTHING this year short of a player dying on court because oscar withheld medical care will get him fired.
This is a mulligan season that doesn't really count.
Ultimately we all know this is true.
I refuse to believe that this is true. I really don't think John Currie is keen on looking like a fool. Firing oscar looks significantly less foolish then admitting a hiring mistake if the OP's prediction comes to fruition.
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John is rolling in the money, basketball hasn't proven to be a financial failure yet, and it likely won't this year.
Plenty of people will give oscar a break for "cleaning up" the K-State basketball program, even though he's largely responsible for making the mess.
It is what it is.
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This may have been addressed before, but where did the "John just cares about money and not success" talking point come from?
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This may have been addressed before, but where did the "John just cares about money and not success" talking point come from?
If you are referencing what I said, I didn't mean to imply that John only cares about money and not success. Long term the two usually go together though and I think John will be willing to give oscar more patience because a) he hired him and b) he'll give him some leeway for losing a bunch of players even though he recruited him. Eventually oscar failing will get him fired, I just don't think it will be after this season, no matter how bad.
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Who gets fired first: oscar or Paul Rhodes?
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Rhoads
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Who gets fired first: oscar or Paul Rhodes?
I'll let you know about 2 PM this Saturday.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Sadly enough, ISU has higher football standards than we have basketball standards.
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Sadly enough, ISU has higher football standards than we have basketball standards.
yuck
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This may have been addressed before, but where did the "John just cares about money and not success" talking point come from?
If you are referencing what I said, I didn't mean to imply that John only cares about money and not success. Long term the two usually go together though and I think John will be willing to give oscar more patience because a) he hired him and b) he'll give him some leeway for losing a bunch of players even though he recruited him. Eventually oscar failing will get him fired, I just don't think it will be after this season, no matter how bad.
Not you in particular. Just seems to be the herd mentality here on gE. That as long as people are showing up and supporting the team that John won't care about making a coaching change.
Almost that it will take a financial hit as opposed to a performance hit that will get him to hire a new coach.
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The money means he won't feel pressure to change like he would with a losing football hire. It's not the only factor, but it's absolutely a factor. With Currie's involvement in running off Marcus I'm doubly sure no change will be made no matter what after this season.
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the removal of his athletics-related performance clauses recently doesn't exactly give warm fuzzies
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This may have been addressed before, but where did the "John just cares about money and not success" talking point come from?
If you are referencing what I said, I didn't mean to imply that John only cares about money and not success. Long term the two usually go together though and I think John will be willing to give oscar more patience because a) he hired him and b) he'll give him some leeway for losing a bunch of players even though he recruited him. Eventually oscar failing will get him fired, I just don't think it will be after this season, no matter how bad.
Not you in particular. Just seems to be the herd mentality here on gE. That as long as people are showing up and supporting the team that John won't care about making a coaching change.
Almost that it will take a financial hit as opposed to a performance hit that will get him to hire a new coach.
If performance in basketball was important to Currie he would have never hired oscar.
As long as bball doesn't do terrible damage to the finances of the AD, then Currie could not give less of a crap how well it performs.
P5 Athletic Depts that have lower standards than KSU (currently):
maybe TTech and TCU...maybe
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Here I thought we had the BTF to remain competitive in basketball?
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the removal of his athletics-related performance clauses recently doesn't exactly give warm fuzzies
Even Pete Rose bet on his own team.
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Here I thought we had the BTF to remain competitive in basketball?
that's what the one legged races are for
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Sadly enough, ISU has higher football standards than we have basketball standards.
ISU has employed Rhoads for 7 years. I don't think Weber will last that long at K-State, but maybe I'm thinking with my heart instead of my head.
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Weber won't last that long at KSU with Rhoads like results.
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Weber won't last that long at KSU with Rhoads like results.
Weber would get 6, at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rhoads
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Weber won't last that long at KSU with Rhoads like results.
Weber would get 6, at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rhoads
oscar inherited a much better situation and he's already done more than Paul could ever imagine even with the mess he created after last season.
This year is basically a free pass, but there will be legit pressure in year 5 to be an NCAA team and if he doesn't make any postseason he will be gone. JMHO.
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this thread is depressing as crap
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Weber won't last that long at KSU with Rhoads like results.
Weber would get 6, at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rhoads
oscar inherited a much better situation and he's already done more than Paul could ever imagine even with the mess he created after last season.
This year is basically a free pass, but there will be legit pressure in year 5 to be an NCAA team and if he doesn't make any postseason he will be gone. JMHO.
yeah I'm saying if Weber had the NCAA version of a "bowl" in year 4 he'd definitely get to year 6 no matter what.
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i don't like it when people say that this year is a free pass. it seems that i think the team will do better than most here do, but if it doesn't, i'll be very sad if weber isn't buried for it.
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i don't like it when people say that this year is a free pass. it seems that i think the team will do better than most here do, but if it doesn't, i'll be very sad if weber isn't buried for it.
its a pass because we all know currie wont fire him. he can't
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he can.
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John currie is cold as ice and will absolutely drop the hammer if this season goes the way most of us think it will
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John currie is cold as ice and will absolutely drop the hammer if this season goes the way most of us think it will
see i disagree with this, i hope you are right but currie hates being wrong. this was his first big hire and i think he will be gone before oscar.
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i don't like it when people say that this year is a free pass. it seems that i think the team will do better than most here do, but if it doesn't, i'll be very sad if weber isn't buried for it.
Free pass probably isn't the right phrase; I think most mean he's pretty safe from being fired after this season. However, a bad season this year will put pressure on him going into next year and 3 bad years in a row would put him in a lot of trouble.
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oscar would be justifiably furious if currie ever fired him for performance.
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I think most mean he's pretty safe from being fired after this season. However, a bad season this year will put pressure on him going into next year and 3 bad years in a row would put him in a lot of trouble.
i just shot myself in the head thanks to you, _fan.
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oscar would be justifiably furious if currie ever fired him for performance.
I think he'd be more sad than angry.
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oscar would be justifiably furious if currie ever fired him for performance.
I think he'd be more sad than angry.
Actually, I think he'd be embarrassed and would lash out a bit but generally be good with how much money he walked away with.
But it'd be shitty of currie to fire him when oscar is 100% delivering.
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I don't like it when people say that oscar has a free pass this season only because, while true, it fails to convey that he actually has something like 4 to 8 free passes going forward with a very good chance to earn additional free passes and a very small chance to be rewarded with a lifetime free pass.
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I don't like it when people say that oscar has a free pass this season only because, while true, it fails to convey that he actually has something like 4 to 8 free passes going forward with a very good chance to earn additional free passes and a very small chance to be rewarded with a lifetime free pass.
what do you think earns oscar a lifetime pass? Sweeping the hawks? Sweet 16?
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I don't like it when people say that oscar has a free pass this season only because, while true, it fails to convey that he actually has something like 4 to 8 free passes going forward with a very good chance to earn additional free passes and a very small chance to be rewarded with a lifetime free pass.
what do you think earns oscar a lifetime pass? Sweeping the hawks? Sweet 16?
how about just for being a good guy that people rough ridin' respect? does that not have a place anymore at the D1 hoops dinner table?
you can have your larry browns.
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Just a second ago, I read a post about oscar and it included a ref to his 5th yr. It made me really sad, guys.
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#bruce2020
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oscar gets fired after next year. Mark it down. Bold prediction. You're welcome. Read as if the last three were hashtags.
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Still know idea why anyone's upset with oscar for his results. It'd be like Tonya being mad at his 5 series every morning for still being white.
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This thread makes me sad
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This thread makes me sad
Me, as well.
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This thread makes me sad
Me, as well.
um, did you guys just realize we hired a bumbling goof who was fired for losing like a week before we hired him?
Either you've been sad for a really long time (and you need to get over it) or you haven't been paying attention.
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This thread makes me sad
Me, as well.
um, did you guys just realize we hired a bumbling goof who was fired for losing like a week before we hired him?
Either you've been sad for a really long time (and you need to get over it) or you haven't been paying attention.
Some people prefer to be optimistic and be disappointed time after time.
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#bruce2020
You only do two days in prison, day you go in and day you come out. A nickel aint a thang for a ksu hoops fan.
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This thread makes me sad
Me, as well.
um, did you guys just realize we hired a bumbling goof who was fired for losing like a week before we hired him?
Either you've been sad for a really long time (and you need to get over it) or you haven't been paying attention.
It's more I've become completely blah to K-State basketball but seeing our probable record actually written out brings out the sads
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#bruce2020
You only do two days in prison, day you go in and day you come out. A nickel aint a thang for a ksu hoops fan.
Our only crime was liking WildWildCats basketball and winning, though.
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#bruce2020
You only do two days in prison, day you go in and day you come out. A nickel aint a thang for a ksu hoops fan.
Our only crime was liking WildWildCats basketball and winning, though.
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well, we did see the ADJC - HCFM break up coming and failed to stop it :frown:
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oscar would be justifiably furious if currie ever fired him for performance.
I think he'd be more sad than angry.
An Eeyore, if you will.
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kenpom says 13-17, 5-13, worst team in the Big 12.
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If we finish last in the B12 he would be gone
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I think 13-17 is on the borderline of what would get him fired. I wouldn't be surprised either way with that record, but I think he probably gets another year.
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I'm cool with bball being in the shitter for a while , we need to focus on securing our football future before we start putting energy into the hobby sport
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Mods, please ban this bad person from the oscar sucks and everything sucks board.
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I honestly think we go at least .500 this season.
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kenpom obviously didn't watch us de-stinger the hornets
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Guys its not oscar's fault, he's dealing with the cards he was dealt. Only Coach K is on a colder seat than oscar this season.
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that's arguable considering K has already been fired from his usa basketball job, just a few weeks ago
to say he's not looking over his shoulder is inaccurate in this durham insider's opinion
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Kenpom is so unsure of his own predictions he constantly has to revise them #themoreyouknow
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kenpom says 13-17, 5-13, worst team in the Big 12.
in the fat face of jrake.
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Guys its not oscar's fault, he's dealing with the cards he was dealt. Only Coach K is on a colder seat than oscar this season.
10 projected single digit losses! So close to turning the corner...
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Let's say everything breaks right, and all of those single point losses become wins. Does 23-7 win Oscar COY? Does it placate the goEtards??
This is a message board, no need to pint out the unlikeliness of the scenario
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Let's say everything breaks right, and all of those single point losses become wins. Does 23-7 win Oscar COY? Does it placate the goEtards??
This is a message board, no need to pint out the unlikeliness of the scenario
I would be very happy and oscar would deserve COY.
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Guys its not oscar's fault, he's dealing with the cards he was dealt. Only Coach K is on a colder seat than oscar this season.
10 projected single digit losses! So close to turning the corner...
Going to out Wooly Wooly
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I have one extra ticket in section 17 for Friday evening. If someone from Topeka area wants to ride over with me that would be fine. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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This thread makes me sad
Me, as well.
um, did you guys just realize we hired a bumbling goof who was fired for losing like a week before we hired him?
Either you've been sad for a really long time (and you need to get over it) or you haven't been paying attention.
Some people prefer to be optimistic and be disappointed time after time.
I would rather have some expectations and end up disappointed, than never expect anything good so I don't end up disappointed. Half-full or half-empty? Wow!
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Rake's forecast was missing a game for last night!
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oh wow, we're half way to our win total!
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This thread makes me sad
Me, as well.
um, did you guys just realize we hired a bumbling goof who was fired for losing like a week before we hired him?
Either you've been sad for a really long time (and you need to get over it) or you haven't been paying attention.
Some people prefer to be optimistic and be disappointed time after time.
I would rather have some expectations and end up disappointed, than never expect anything good so I don't end up disappointed. Half-full or half-empty? Wow!
The fact that I am disappointed with the loss last night is a good feeling. I still have expectations for this team to prove to a bunch of folks, both on this message board and in person, that we can replace the ones who left the program last year for whatever reasons.
I'll continue to have expectations...
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i think this could still come true if Vulture is receiving illegal benefits and the games he played in have to be vacated
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We will be at least 9-2 in non conference games. Losses to North Carolina and A&M.
Good job reno!
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reno really has his finger on the pulse of K-State hoops :thumbs:
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Reno is probably the most intelligent person on this blog!
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Way ahead of the hater j_rake's projections, even in big 12 play.
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Guys its not oscar's fault, he's dealing with the cards he was dealt. Only Coach K is on a colder seat than oscar this season.
10 projected single digit losses! So close to turning the corner...
6 single digit losses so far, plus another 4 by exactly 10 points :thumbs: