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Title: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 14, 2015, 08:49:19 AM
Anyone done it?  Taking amtrak to Chicago this weekend with some buds. Any tips and/or tricks to make the ride more enjoyable?

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 14, 2015, 08:49:57 AM
Weed brownies
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: steve dave on September 14, 2015, 08:54:57 AM
fly instead. your time is more valuable than whatever kind of money it's saving you.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 14, 2015, 08:57:11 AM
fly instead. your time is more valuable than whatever kind of money it's saving you.
It only cost me $10...

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: steve dave on September 14, 2015, 09:00:25 AM
fly instead. your time is more valuable than whatever kind of money it's saving you.
It only cost me $10...

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I'll punch you in the face for $1 (not really, but you know what I mean), it doesn't make it a good deal.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 14, 2015, 09:03:26 AM
fly instead. your time is more valuable than whatever kind of money it's saving you.
It only cost me $10...

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I'll punch you in the face for $1 (not really, but you know what I mean), it doesn't make it a good deal.
Meh. Saved about $175. Was a last minute trip. Have never been on a train,looking forward to "the experience"

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 14, 2015, 09:05:26 AM
I think you can bring your own booze but maybe not
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 14, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
last time I rode on a train (amtrak from KC to Chicago) the sewage line broke and we were stuck on the tracks smelling raw crap for two hours. food for thought.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: WildcatNkilt on September 14, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
last time I rode on a train (amtrak from KC to Chicago) the sewage line broke and we were stuck on the tracks smelling raw crap for two hours. food for thought.

I bet you weren't thinking about food at all on that train. 
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 14, 2015, 09:15:06 AM
last time I rode on a train (amtrak from KC to Chicago) the sewage line broke and we were stuck on the tracks smelling raw crap for two hours. food for thought.

Was this a big train?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: steve dave on September 14, 2015, 09:18:11 AM
The only actual train ride I've taken was the eurostar from london to paris. I've never been on a domestic train outside of airport transfer trains, various cities light rail and subways, the historic henry doorley zoo steam train and the mono-rail and steam train at disney world. But, I read a lot of travel blogs and they all at some point are like "wow, amtrak is so cheap, I'm going to try it out" and then are 100% all "never again" afterwords.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 14, 2015, 09:26:23 AM
Lil sd would like a short train trip I bet. Where does omaha go to?

What keeps me out of the train game when I was going to use it was the train left at like 4am from Topeka or kc or something
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on September 14, 2015, 09:30:38 AM
I enjoy it.  Very relaxed way to travel, it's fun if you aren't in a hurry.  Since the train stations are actually downtown, you don't have to worry about transit from downtown to airport, time arriving early to park, time arriving early for security (KC, lol, precheck lol, but still), baggage claim.  Also, you can get away with BYOB and get smashed, or take advantage of the fairly cheap bar.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 14, 2015, 09:31:35 AM
Lil sd would like a short train trip I bet. Where does omaha go to?

What keeps me out of the train game when I was going to use it was the train left at like 4am from Topeka or kc or something

yes, the amtrak leaves from both places way too early in the morning.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 14, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
Leaves at 7 from kc. Gets in around 3 to Chicago.

I think I'm going to live gE this adventure on Friday! Stay tuned!

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 14, 2015, 09:56:35 AM
KK had an enjoyable train experience a month ago but I don't know if he got an erection.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: meow meow on September 14, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
The only actual train ride I've taken was the eurostar from london to paris. I've never been on a domestic train outside of airport transfer trains, various cities light rail and subways, the historic henry doorley zoo steam train and the mono-rail and steam train at disney world. But, I read a lot of travel blogs and they all at some point are like "wow, amtrak is so cheap, I'm going to try it out" and then are 100% all "never again" afterwords.

but they got the experience, so...
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 14, 2015, 11:02:18 AM
KK had an enjoyable train experience a month ago but I don't know if he got an erection.

I was expecting a Katdaddy thread when I first looked at this.  Turns out it is just poor spelling....

Probably going to take this trip sometime in the near future though...

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: slobber on September 14, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Thomas the Train rides are great. Have done twice. Would recommend.


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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: The Big Train on September 14, 2015, 11:32:56 AM
some of you better watch your mouths ITT
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 14, 2015, 11:49:56 AM
Just realized it auto corrected to rising. Super embarrassing, guys

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dub on September 14, 2015, 12:38:13 PM
You will develop a hatred for freight trains.  Also, don't plan anything for awhile after 3pm, as you may not be on time.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 14, 2015, 12:46:32 PM
You will develop a hatred for freight trains.  Also, don't plan anything for awhile after 3pm, as you may not be on time.

If you are talking about the beertrain, it won't matter as I am pretty sure I'll be at least a 6 by then.   :beersmiley:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 14, 2015, 12:48:16 PM
You will develop a hatred for freight trains.  Also, don't plan anything for awhile after 3pm, as you may not be on time.
Only thing we have planned starts at 8 0 that night.

We're packing plenty of booze, planning on being at least a 5 the entire ride

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dub on September 14, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
You will develop a hatred for freight trains.  Also, don't plan anything for awhile after 3pm, as you may not be on time.

If you are talking about the beertrain, it won't matter as I am pretty sure I'll be at least a 6 by then.   :beersmiley:

No, not you.  KCFD.  You'll be just fine, we haven't been down there to do that yet but have friends that said it's fun.  We were going to one year but it was when Colorado was burning and flooding to the ground.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 14, 2015, 12:51:08 PM
You will develop a hatred for freight trains.  Also, don't plan anything for awhile after 3pm, as you may not be on time.

If you are talking about the beertrain, it won't matter as I am pretty sure I'll be at least a 6 by then.   :beersmiley:

No, not you.  KCFD.  You'll be just fine, we haven't been down there to do that yet but have friends that said it's fun.  We were going to one year but it was when Colorado was burning and flooding to the ground.

I think the only negative to the trip will be a pak'd overnight stay in Canon City.....  :barf:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dub on September 14, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
You will develop a hatred for freight trains.  Also, don't plan anything for awhile after 3pm, as you may not be on time.
Only thing we have planned starts at 8 0 that night.

We're packing plenty of booze, planning on being at least a 5 the entire ride

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Yeah, you should be good by then.  I've only taken it to StL so your route may go by quicker, but we showed up 2-3 hours after expected. 
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: CHONGS on September 14, 2015, 02:33:13 PM
Do you enjoy the smell of tepid piss water?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: pissclams on September 14, 2015, 02:37:00 PM
Do you enjoy the smell of tepid piss water?
you had me at tepid piss water
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 14, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
you should pretty much always figure the ride will take 50% longer due to various issues.   IE, don't plan anything important around the arrival time.
Title: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on September 14, 2015, 03:07:22 PM
The Southwest Chief usually arrives in Chicago on time.  It's the last stop, and there is a fair amount of flex time built in the schedule. The latest I've arrived is a half hour late.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: eastcat on September 14, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
Passenger trains with the exception of the Acela don't have priority over other traffic (freight) so it's slow as crap usually.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: IPA4Me on September 14, 2015, 08:03:52 PM
I was looking at taking a train ride today. Amtrak from Louisville to Chicago is a damn Greyhound bus. :(
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: ben ji on September 14, 2015, 08:05:29 PM
Passenger trains with the exception of the Acela don't have priority over other traffic (freight) so it's slow as crap usually.

This is incorrect.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 14, 2015, 08:25:48 PM
I have never riden a train outside Europe. But I've seen some movies about it. You're probably going to start in the very last car. Try to work your way to the front using an improvised battering ram, explosives, of whatever else you can muster. Don't eat the protein bars. You don't even wanna know what's in those. Good luck.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Tobias on September 14, 2015, 08:29:52 PM
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: DQ12 on September 14, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
I bet I've ridden amtrak 50 times over the last year.  Probably the Train King of goEMAW. 

It's fine -- relaxing enough, nice to be able to get up and move around. Especially the sweet, elite lounge car. But if you're supposed to get in at 3, i'd be shocked if you arrived before 4:30 or 5.  I took it from Champaign to Chicago once a week and it wasn't uncommon for it to be more than an hour and a half late.

I would never take it from Chicago to KC.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 14, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Dlew, you have any good train insider lingo?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: The Big Train on September 14, 2015, 10:42:08 PM
yes, the lingo
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: ben ji on September 14, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
Dlew, you have any good train insider lingo?

Not dlew but I can help here.

Highballed- Clear to depart

Frogged - Usually means you are F'd or can't move. Usually occurs when a train is blocked from moving by another train (You would need to "jump" over a train to find a way out)

Elephant Style - All Locomotives are facing the same direction

Foamer - A person who loves trains, will "foam" at the mouth in excitement when they see a train.

Going to beans - Lunch Break

Deadhead - Extra crews riding a train back to their "home" base

DP'd - Get your mind out of the gutter, it means "Distributed Power". Engines on the head and rear end.

FRED - "Flashing Rear End Device" Flashing can be replaced with the F word

"Add Darky no Sparky" is a term used to confirm that all handbrakes have been released as a train departs.

Reefer - Refrigerated inter-modal container or railcar.

Dope - Instructions for work to be performed, "Come up here and I'll dope you up"

Hump Yard - Cars are sorted by pushing them over a small hill and allowing gravity to take them to the designated track.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 14, 2015, 10:54:50 PM
elephant style lol
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Phil Titola on September 14, 2015, 11:09:08 PM
 took the SW Chief from KC to Chicago... Flew back... I'd do that again. Relaxing trip and the lounge car was good to drink and watch the fab Iowa scenery fly by....  took another from Seattle to Portland... It was fine but sat next to some extremely smelly man eating smelly food.

Probably take the KC to Hermann train at some point to do some wine drinking...wish there were more trains of the faster variety around.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: wetwillie on September 15, 2015, 12:29:32 AM
The problem with trains is they kill you much more frequently than passenger air travel.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: bones129 on September 16, 2015, 02:17:01 AM
I've traveled several times by train and enjoyed all the trips. BYOB worked well. That said, on overnight trips it takes a couple of minutes to get used to the shower because the train rocks back and forth. Once you master the rhythm of that, you have it made. Looking forward to my next train trip.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Kat Kid on September 16, 2015, 08:00:05 AM
Seattle to Portland train was a great experience I would definitely do again.  KC to Chicago?  Well, who knows I won't rule it out but probably not.  Acela corridor?  Yes plz.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2015, 08:20:47 AM
Do trains have WiFi?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Kat Kid on September 16, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Do trains have WiFi?

most do!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2015, 09:18:37 AM
The only train I have ridden was in France. I would like to do some kind of train ride vacation here....But where to? And how to convince Gooch to ride on a train for long hours?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 16, 2015, 09:23:14 AM
Man, I'd love to be able to honk the train horn
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2015, 09:36:45 AM
I think a train ride could only be a little further than that Seattle-Portland route before a flight would make way more sense.  That route, and I imagine ones like that between relatively close cities, is right in the sweet spot of where it's more comfortable than driving and doesn't take that much longer but also much better than flying as far as the stations being better located than airports and being able to walk over like 15 minutes before departure so you come out ahead on your total rough ridin'-with-travel time.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2015, 09:40:16 AM
The only train I have ridden was in France. I would like to do some kind of train ride vacation here....But where to? And how to convince Gooch to ride on a train for long hours?

Through the mountains
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2015, 09:40:43 AM
What is the getting-through-security situation for trains?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2015, 09:44:37 AM
What is the getting-through-security situation for trains?

I didn't see one, but maybe they wanded KK before he got on.  Or they just profile you at those little kiosks when you check in.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Seattle_King_Street_Station_Inside.jpg)
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on September 16, 2015, 10:22:14 AM

What is the getting-through-security situation for trains?

None
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 16, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
So are self-driving cars going to officially kill off American train travel in the next 20 or 30 years? I say yes.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: DQ12 on September 16, 2015, 01:20:19 PM
So are self-driving cars going to officially kill off American train travel in the next 20 or 30 years? I say yes.
i don't take a train because I don't want to have to "drive."  I took a train because parking in Chicago is mega expensive and traffic sucks.  If self driving cars are a sort of cure all for every reason riding in a car can possibly suck, then maybe.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2015, 01:28:21 PM
i can't wait to shinkansen punibrag in this b
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on September 16, 2015, 01:35:11 PM
Did you guys hear the Freakanomics (I think?) podcast talking about parking being too cheap in big cities?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 16, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
So are self-driving cars going to officially kill off American train travel in the next 20 or 30 years? I say yes.
i don't take a train because I don't want to have to "drive."  I took a train because parking in Chicago is mega expensive and traffic sucks.  If self driving cars are a sort of cure all for every reason riding in a car can possibly suck, then maybe.

If you're concerned about parking, self-driving cars would be an advantage over trains. Drop you off at the door, park remotely, then return to pick you up. They'd also be faster, more personal, and more versatile when it comes to routes. About the only downside is the much more limited freedom to move around. But logically, it seems like self-driving cars will kill train travel for good. And it seems like self-driving cars are a real possibility in the next few decades.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2015, 02:40:52 PM
Won't super old balls people still want to travel by train?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 16, 2015, 02:43:58 PM
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2015, 02:45:02 PM
So are self-driving cars going to officially kill off American train travel in the next 20 or 30 years? I say yes.
i don't take a train because I don't want to have to "drive."  I took a train because parking in Chicago is mega expensive and traffic sucks.  If self driving cars are a sort of cure all for every reason riding in a car can possibly suck, then maybe.

If you're concerned about parking, self-driving cars would be an advantage over trains. Drop you off at the door, park remotely, then return to pick you up. They'd also be faster, more personal, and more versatile when it comes to routes. About the only downside is the much more limited freedom to move around. But logically, it seems like self-driving cars will kill train travel for good. And it seems like self-driving cars are a real possibility in the next few decades.

D-rew could really learn a thing or two about parking in Chicago from K-S-U-W.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
What about self driving trains  :Wha:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 16, 2015, 02:47:55 PM
The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
What if instead of cars they are semis with enclosed trailers and have a full bar and dance floor and you can get so lit
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2015, 02:53:13 PM
How bad does the booze industry want self driving cars?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2015, 02:54:30 PM
Also a few "sleeping" pods on the self driving semi, if you know what I mean  :fatty:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2015, 03:09:09 PM
The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on September 16, 2015, 03:15:38 PM

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2015, 03:17:10 PM

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
I guess the car dealership industry is gonna go the way of the train industry.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2015, 03:24:22 PM

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Well you might still want to have your own car so you don't have to pay for a ride every time and you know for sure it is going to be there when you want it and so you don't have to pay a super expensive fair when traveling long distance.
 :dunno:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Americans like to own crap
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: lopakman on September 16, 2015, 03:29:06 PM
How bad does the booze industry want self driving cars?

about as much as I do   :D
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2015, 03:30:05 PM

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Well you might still want to have your own car so you don't have to pay for a ride every time and you know for sure it is going to be there when you want it and so you don't have to pay a super expensive fair when traveling long distance.
 :dunno:

well i might want a socialist utopia
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2015, 03:39:10 PM

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Well you might still want to have your own car so you don't have to pay for a ride every time and you know for sure it is going to be there when you want it and so you don't have to pay a super expensive fair when traveling long distance.
 :dunno:

well i might want a socialist utopia

Are you suggesting that we pay for the Uber cars through taxes?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2015, 03:40:55 PM

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Well you might still want to have your own car so you don't have to pay for a ride every time and you know for sure it is going to be there when you want it and so you don't have to pay a super expensive fair when traveling long distance.
 :dunno:

well i might want a socialist utopia

Are you suggesting that we pay for the Uber cars through taxes?

if you mean, "they will be free for everybody!" then yes?

if you mean walmart will buy uber and then google will buy walmart and then merge with apple and BP and be elected president, then yes.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 16, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
somebody just needs to invent teleporting already.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dub on September 16, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
This thread is making me want to ride a train somewhere.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 16, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
Americans like to own crap

I was patiently waiting for someone to point this out, and I'm glad it was you lib7. :cheers:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 16, 2015, 04:21:43 PM
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/ (http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/)
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 16, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
High speed rail could have a future if it can get to a point that it's more convenient than airlines.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2015, 04:35:11 PM
High speed rail would still be faster than driving a car riding in a self driving car long distance, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2015, 04:57:12 PM
A self-driving car wouldn't have done KK any good.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: michigancat on September 16, 2015, 06:18:29 PM
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/ (http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/)

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 16, 2015, 10:50:46 PM
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/ (http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/)

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

I disagree strongly on the traffic point. That's the biggest potential advantage of self-driving cars. They will theoretically be able to network together to make traffic much more efficient and optimize routes in real time. It will basically be like everyone is riding in one collective conveyance, like a train, except that train can go a million different places at the same time. I think we're headed for something like what was envisioned in Minority Report.

Regarding speed over long distances. I think that, too, will ultimately be negligible once you factor in the travel at your destination. Besides, California isn't building a cross-country train. The main "high speed" line will be a few hundred miles.

The obvious huge downside of all of this is that for it to work, you can't have human drivers on the same roads rough ridin' everything up. Maybe there will be a proliferation of special driving tracks for the enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 08:12:58 AM
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/ (http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/)

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

I disagree strongly on the traffic point. That's the biggest potential advantage of self-driving cars. They will theoretically be able to network together to make traffic much more efficient and optimize routes in real time. It will basically be like everyone is riding in one collective conveyance, like a train, except that train can go a million different places at the same time. I think we're headed for something like what was envisioned in Minority Report.

Regarding speed over long distances. I think that, too, will ultimately be negligible once you factor in the travel at your destination. Besides, California isn't building a cross-country train. The main "high speed" line will be a few hundred miles.

The obvious huge downside of all of this is that for it to work, you can't have human drivers on the same roads rough ridin' everything up. Maybe there will be a proliferation of special driving tracks for the enthusiasts.

It's going to take a long time to change the infrastructure to weed out human drivers and allow the networking thing.

Can self-driving cars drive on regular roads or do they need special guidance stuff in the roads?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: ben ji on September 17, 2015, 08:27:18 AM
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/ (http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/)

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

I disagree strongly on the traffic point. That's the biggest potential advantage of self-driving cars. They will theoretically be able to network together to make traffic much more efficient and optimize routes in real time. It will basically be like everyone is riding in one collective conveyance, like a train, except that train can go a million different places at the same time. I think we're headed for something like what was envisioned in Minority Report.

Regarding speed over long distances. I think that, too, will ultimately be negligible once you factor in the travel at your destination. Besides, California isn't building a cross-country train. The main "high speed" line will be a few hundred miles.

The obvious huge downside of all of this is that for it to work, you can't have human drivers on the same roads rough ridin' everything up. Maybe there will be a proliferation of special driving tracks for the enthusiasts.

It's going to take a long time to change the infrastructure to weed out human drivers and allow the networking thing.

Can self-driving cars drive on regular roads or do they need special guidance stuff in the roads?

The ones being tested now drive on regular roads and use GPS/Camera's/Sensors to get around.

Which brings me to something I have never thought of. If the self driving car is the first to arrive at a stoplight how does it know to stop? Does it have a camera that specifically looks for stoplights?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 17, 2015, 08:30:18 AM
Probably. I've read that the biggest complaint about people who live around where the cars are tested is that they a TOO cautious, causing some traffic issues with human drivers.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 08:31:41 AM
Yes, it must detect the stoplight. Most likely, to begin with at least, the self-driving mode is only going to be allowed on highways.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: DQ12 on September 17, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
I read a projection that by 2030, only 10% of cars on the road will be self driving.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 08:34:05 AM
How much are these self-driving cars going to cost?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: ben ji on September 17, 2015, 08:35:03 AM
IMO the first commercial use of self driving cars will be in long haul trucking. Think a convoy of 10 trucks all equipped with self driving technology driving from LA to CHI.

There will probably be 1 person in the lead truck to manage the convoy and correct any issues that may pop up. 
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: pissclams on September 17, 2015, 08:42:54 AM
california will never complete the LA-SF high speed train route
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 17, 2015, 08:43:59 AM
IMO the first commercial use of self driving cars will be in long haul trucking. Think a convoy of 10 trucks all equipped with self driving technology driving from LA to CHI.

There will probably be 1 person in the lead truck to manage the convoy and correct any issues that may pop up.

most likely two people, DOT hours of service issues will necessitate that.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 17, 2015, 09:12:32 AM
Probably. I've read that the biggest complaint about people who live around where the cars are tested is that they a TOO cautious, causing some traffic issues with human drivers.

Baby steps. Give it a few decades... Drones were science fiction 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 17, 2015, 09:15:41 AM
california will never complete the LA-SF high speed train route

Doubtful. But we'll spend a LOT of money on it. That was one of the few redeeming qualities of True Detective 2: centering it around a big steaming pot or real life graft and corruption.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 17, 2015, 09:59:32 AM
I have to use a free Hyatt night by December and don't have any scenarios currently with which to use it so I'm thinking of taking the train to Vancouver and staying there for a Saturday afternoon and Sunday day.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
I have to use a free Hyatt night by December and don't have any scenarios currently with which to use it so I'm thinking of taking the train to Vancouver and staying there for a Saturday afternoon and Sunday day.

That sounds great.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on September 17, 2015, 10:52:44 AM
the transition between self driving cars and people driven cars will be a complete rough ridin' mess
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 11:15:28 AM
In the future there is going to be an amusement park where people are in old-timey costumes and you can drive a car....uh, well I guess they already have that at World's of Fun...so like that but with cars we would consider modern.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 17, 2015, 11:25:19 AM
the transition between self driving cars and people driven cars will be a complete rough ridin' mess

Yup. So is capitalism. It's a really messy process but somehow it all works out for the better eventually. Drones are a big mess right now with manned aviation - it'll eventually work itself out. I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but this is where we're headed.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: DQ12 on September 17, 2015, 12:38:03 PM
the transition between self driving cars and people driven cars will be a complete rough ridin' mess

Yup. So is capitalism. It's a really messy process but somehow it all works out for the better eventually. Drones are a big mess right now with manned aviation - it'll eventually work itself out. I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but this is where we're headed.
Yeah.  I agree with everything you're saying, but even in 50 years, there will still be significant portions of the country driving their own cars.  How far are we away from a point where car companies stop manufacturing man driven cars?  30 years as a super conservative estimate?  Tack on another 20 years or so until the dinosaurs die out.

I'd be surprised if we reached true traffic efficiency like you discussed in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: pissclams on September 17, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
the transition between self driving cars and people driven cars will be a complete rough ridin' mess

Yup. So is capitalism. It's a really messy process but somehow it all works out for the better eventually. Drones are a big mess right now with manned aviation - it'll eventually work itself out. I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but this is where we're headed.
Yeah.  I agree with everything you're saying, but even in 50 years, there will still be significant portions of the country driving their own cars.  How far are we away from a point where car companies stop manufacturing man driven cars?  30 years as a super conservative estimate?  Tack on another 20 years or so until the dinosaurs die out.

I'd be surprised if we reached true traffic efficiency like you discussed in my lifetime.
people will still be driving cars 100 years from now.     SPACE CARS :lol: 
am i serious?  only time will tell.  but maybe it will be like that oscar willis movie, the fifth element
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 01:14:29 PM
We should go to all self-driving cars before we transition to space cars, so that there is never a people-driven space car. Didn't you see how many wrecks oscar Willis got in?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
We should go to all self-driving cars before we transition to space cars, so that there is never a people-driven space car. Didn't you see how many wrecks oscar Willis got in?

Don't you want to drive a space car, though?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 17, 2015, 01:27:05 PM
Corbin Dallas didn't drive a space car you idiots
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 17, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
That movie kicked so much ass. Chris Tucker. :lol:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 01:35:45 PM
Corbin Dallas didn't drive a space car you idiots

clearly an air car
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 17, 2015, 01:39:57 PM
thought we might have been talking about armaggedon. nope. i have a new movie to watch. liveblog tonite?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 17, 2015, 01:41:14 PM
Well you are in for a huge treat
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
easily the best, funnest sci fi movie in the world
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 17, 2015, 01:44:33 PM
And Leeloo  :fatty:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 01:45:54 PM
OK, whatever, space car, air car...I just said the term that was already in use ITT.



thought we might have been talking about armaggedon. nope. i have a new movie to watch. liveblog tonite?

Wait, are you saying you have never heard of the Fifth Element?

Don't you want to drive a space car, though?

It would be irresponsible of me to advocate for person-driven space cars (or air cars) just because I personally would like to drive one when I know it would cause more fatalities overall than only self-driven space/air cars.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 01:46:33 PM
And Leeloo  :fatty:

 :love:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 17, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
OK, whatever, space car, air car...I just said the term that was already in use ITT.

thought we might have been talking about armaggedon. nope. i have a new movie to watch. liveblog tonite?

Wait, are you saying you have never heard of the Fifth Element?

now i have.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 01:48:23 PM
almost the best gary oldman you can get
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 01:49:06 PM
and bilbo being bilbo. what a great movie
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 01:49:26 PM
almost the best gary oldman you can get

Gary Oldman is another guy that looks different in every movie.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 01:50:10 PM
almost the best gary oldman you can get

Gary Oldman is another guy that looks different in every movie.

method actor
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 17, 2015, 02:10:25 PM
gary oldman is why i am interested in this flick.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 02:11:47 PM
like you've never seen him before! just a spectacular gary oldman!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Dub on September 17, 2015, 02:30:02 PM
This thread has it all.  Train tips/lingo, sky vs. space cars, gary oldman.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 17, 2015, 04:02:26 PM
I don't know if this movie's on all the time or if it's just a coincidence.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2FIMAG0764_zpsj10dicuk.jpg&hash=b0eb5f9301fc59c1c9e44d82fc345f061751098e) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/IMAG0764_zpsj10dicuk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on September 17, 2015, 04:07:01 PM
Wait what time will that be on Central time? @NickRussell
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 17, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
Wait what time will that be on Central time? @NickRussell

I originally had something in my post about that but I'm not even sure.  Like yeah, we're 2 timezones away, but I think tv is separately like 3 hours behind so that shows are on around the same time of day they're supposed to be.  So maybe 4:30 central/mexico?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 17, 2015, 04:16:47 PM
That's in 13 minutes!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
It's on at 5:30pm Central.

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 17, 2015, 04:39:37 PM
It's on at 5:30pm Central.

Nick's mind is blown.



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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 04:44:10 PM
Crap, stupid AT&T. Why did it show me the wrong time zone?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 17, 2015, 06:46:05 PM
OK, whatever, space car, air car...I just said the term that was already in use ITT.

thought we might have been talking about armaggedon. nope. i have a new movie to watch. liveblog tonite?

Wait, are you saying you have never heard of the Fifth Element?

now i have.

I am so excited for you! :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Tobias on September 17, 2015, 06:51:59 PM
we snuffed out a movie ksuw likes! :emawkid:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Phil Titola on September 17, 2015, 07:15:56 PM
The problem with trains is they kill you much more frequently than passenger air travel.

I'd avoid car travel

"Drivers or passengers in cars or light trucks faced a fatality risk of 7.3 per billion passenger-miles"
"The overall fatality rate for long-haul train service...excluding pedestrians and others not on trains...fatality rate is approximately 0.15 per billion passenger miles."
"commercial aviation was the safest mode of travel in the United States, with 0.07 fatalities per billion passenger miles"

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/environment/transportation/comparing-fatality-risks-united-states-transportation-across-modes-time
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: wetwillie on September 17, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
Thanks phil, that's pretty crazy.  Stepping on a train is like playing roulette.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 17, 2015, 09:01:00 PM
we snuffed out a movie ksuw likes! :emawkid:

You should check out the movie thread. I like lots of movies!
Title: Rising on trains
Post by: Tobias on September 17, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
you should post about those ones! :excited:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: GoodForAnother on September 18, 2015, 09:19:09 AM
unless we transition to a socialist utopia at some point, it will take like 50 years for all cars to be self-driving and it will be a complete disaster with liability, fault, etc, when they get into accidents with human drivers.  crap like this takes forever.  consider that it's been like 45 years since they invented airbags and they only became legally compulsory 17 years ago and there are still plenty of people driving around older cars without them.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 18, 2015, 09:20:57 AM
Is K-S-U-W on the self-driving car train (lol) b/c he's still mad about that ticket I remember him posting a bunch about?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2015, 09:30:52 AM
self driving cars already interact with people driven cars. It will not be a complete disaster because the accident rate for self-driven cars will be so low.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: GoodForAnother on September 18, 2015, 09:41:21 AM
oh ok, it'll be fine then
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 18, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Gooch's car is self-stopping.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 18, 2015, 10:02:57 AM
Gooch's car is self-stopping.

Yeah it's really annoying when we are backing out and it thinks our steep driveway is an object behind us.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 18, 2015, 03:00:30 PM
So, back to trains... I'll tell you what, this ride has been pretty enjoyable... I tweeted lots of stuff. If you can't find my twitter acct then you don't follow gE very well.

Will definitely "ride the rails" again. Also, we're only around 30 min behind schedule.

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on September 18, 2015, 05:35:03 PM

So, back to trains... I'll tell you what, this ride has been pretty enjoyable... I tweeted lots of stuff. If you can't find my twitter acct then you don't follow gE very well.

Will definitely "ride the rails" again. Also, we're only around 30 min behind schedule.

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

Good twittering, enjoy Chicago
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: DQ12 on September 18, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
So, back to trains... I'll tell you what, this ride has been pretty enjoyable... I tweeted lots of stuff. If you can't find my twitter acct then you don't follow gE very well.

Will definitely "ride the rails" again. Also, we're only around 30 min behind schedule.

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please pm me your twitter.  i'm interested in reading.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 23, 2015, 09:03:19 PM
@metalhead so did you watch the 5th element yet or what?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Tobias on September 23, 2015, 09:04:26 PM
i didn't get a pm on friday night
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on September 24, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
i didn't get a pm on friday night
Lets do it this Friday!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 08:32:21 AM
It seems like it is so hard to figure out a route on the Amtrak website. Like, even though I can see that these two stops are on the same route, they say there are not available trains to get from one to the other.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 08:34:05 AM
What stops
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 08:37:35 AM
What stops

Well I really want to get from Newton to Vail, but they are on different lines, so I need to go Newton ---> Raton, NM. ---> Vail but apparently you can't get from Raton to Vail even though they are both on the....oh now I see that the green line on the map means "connecting services" which might not be a train at all. Well I guess that just means eff you if you want to get from KS to CO (except the southeast corner).
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 08:42:41 AM
Amtrak does busses too, which are witb from what I hear
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KCFDcat on September 25, 2015, 09:14:47 AM
What stops

Well I really want to get from Newton to Vail, but they are on different lines, so I need to go Newton ---> Raton, NM. ---> Vail but apparently you can't get from Raton to Vail even though they are both on the....oh now I see that the green line on the map means "connecting services" which might not be a train at all. Well I guess that just means eff you if you want to get from KS to CO (except the southeast corner).
Yes, getting from KS to CO is almost impossible. We looked at it for our next trip and it was like 23 hours long and cost $175.  Nope.

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:23:39 AM
What stops

Well I really want to get from Newton to Vail, but they are on different lines, so I need to go Newton ---> Raton, NM. ---> Vail but apparently you can't get from Raton to Vail even though they are both on the....oh now I see that the green line on the map means "connecting services" which might not be a train at all. Well I guess that just means eff you if you want to get from KS to CO (except the southeast corner).
Yes, getting from KS to CO is almost impossible. We looked at it for our next trip and it was like 23 hours long and cost $175.  Nope.

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Yeah, that's ridiculous. I guess we will be driving.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
You guys go on lots of fun trips
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:28:04 AM
You guys go on lots of fun trips

No kids.  :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 09:30:34 AM
Interesting if accurate
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:31:58 AM
It seems like it is so hard to figure out a route on the Amtrak website. Like, even though I can see that these two stops are on the same route, they say there are not available trains to get from one to the other.
We are not taking a god damn train.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:33:19 AM
It seems like it is so hard to figure out a route on the Amtrak website. Like, even though I can see that these two stops are on the same route, they say there are not available trains to get from one to the other.
We are not taking a god damn train.

It would be a lot easier to convince you if we didn't have to take a crappy bus for part of the trip.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
Can you get from KS to Disney World on a train?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:34:10 AM
It seems like it is so hard to figure out a route on the Amtrak website. Like, even though I can see that these two stops are on the same route, they say there are not available trains to get from one to the other.
We are not taking a god damn train.

It would be a lot easier to convince you if we didn't have to take a crappy bus for part of the trip.
Again, we are not taking a god damn train!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 09:43:25 AM
It seems like it is so hard to figure out a route on the Amtrak website. Like, even though I can see that these two stops are on the same route, they say there are not available trains to get from one to the other.
We are not taking a god damn train.

It would be a lot easier to convince you if we didn't have to take a crappy bus for part of the trip.
Again, we are not taking a god damn train!

I am going to take a train trip sometime in my life. You can join me or not.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: slobber on September 25, 2015, 09:54:52 AM
I bet the Disney trip would take 3 days to get there


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 25, 2015, 09:55:01 AM
Can you get from KS to Disney World on a train?

Yes, but the only Monorail stop is in Eudora.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 10:05:59 AM
I bet the Disney trip would take 3 days to get there


Gonna win 'em all!

That sounds great. I would like to make a couple of stops along the way.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on September 25, 2015, 10:44:09 AM
I bet the Disney trip would take 3 days to get there


Gonna win 'em all!

That sounds great. I would like to make a couple of stops along the way.
since you are so interested in shitty nostalgic travel are you going to start commuting to work in a god damn horse and buggy.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 25, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
I bet the Disney trip would take 3 days to get there


Gonna win 'em all!

That sounds great. I would like to make a couple of stops along the way.
since you are so interested in shitty nostalgic travel are you going to start commuting to work in a god damn horse and buggy.

No, but I would take a train/subway if we had one.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
I would be all over a train to work
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 25, 2015, 11:09:54 AM
I'm back to looking at a vancouver train run to use my hyatt night before december.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: DQ12 on September 25, 2015, 01:02:51 PM
I would be all over a train to work
Very convenient.  Not comfortable in the least.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on September 29, 2015, 07:21:28 PM
I hope I never encounter one of these self-driving cyberdyne cars.

http://www.cnet.com/news/googles-big-new-idea-lets-make-self-driving-cars-drive-like-humans/
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 29, 2015, 08:00:04 PM
@metalhead so did you watch the 5th element yet or what?

I'm not watching some dogshit oscar Willis movie (pro tip: oscar Willis is dogshit) without my liveblog-hate-watching it with my bros.

i didn't get a pm on friday night
Lets do it this Friday!

Pick a god damn weekday, unless we're IRL binging and watching together.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on September 29, 2015, 08:08:04 PM
i think the weekday picking burden is on you.

also it's not streaming currently so participants will have to "acquire" it in some fashion

also you're totally wrong about bwills
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 08:39:59 PM
Yeah metal head is so totally wrong about this. Have fun hate blogging it while the rest of us are carnal loveblogging it.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 08:41:08 PM
Official Tastemaker Stance: 5th Element is the absolute rough ridin' jam.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 08:47:06 PM
This might MIGHT be the film that changes metalhead's whole outlook on oscar Willis.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
Did you not even read the parts about Gary Goldman or Ian Holm?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 08:48:38 PM
Good god I think I'm being Dlew level trolled
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 08:49:04 PM
good god.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 29, 2015, 08:49:44 PM
Yippee kai aye, mother rough rider.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Tobias on September 29, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
i don't remember 5th element at all.  mondays through fridays are way better for me than sat/sun (@Stevesie60)
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 05, 2015, 02:45:37 PM

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Amtrak-train-derails-in-central-Vermont-no-word-on-injuries-330684791.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KAKE-TV
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
In other news thousands of planes landed safely today.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: bones129 on October 06, 2015, 12:44:05 AM
Saw that the OP wondered about "rising" on trains. Have done that several times. Just be careful. Get up and rise, despite what the tracks do, and shower, etc. You will survive, as I have after many train trips.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: ben ji on October 06, 2015, 01:03:51 AM
So want to hear a semi semi K-State related train story?!? Okay hold on to your britches here, this is exciting.

Starting on January 1st of 2016 all trains are supposed to be equipped with PTC(Positive Train Control) which is a safeguard to prevent trains from running signals or going to fast etc etc. Starting on Jan 1st if trains are not equipped with PTC they will not be allowed to go over 30 mph. Well this is not going to happen for a variety of reasons, still way to many kinks in the system.

What does Carl Ice (BNSF CEO and Famed Benefactor of the Carl and Carol Ice Family Video Board) do? He sends OBAMA(actually the NTSB or something) a sternly worded letter saying that he will not let his railroad break the Law and Its gonna really suck in February when power plants start running out of coal and grandma ain't got no heat due to the gridlock on the rail lines.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on October 29, 2015, 11:50:38 PM
24-hour broPAK in Vancouver next weekend.  Taking the train up Saturday morning.  $54 each.  The times coming back Sunday sucked, so we're flying back.  To be continued in the credit card thread.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Tobias on November 07, 2015, 09:50:07 AM
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/663016232665284608
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2015, 11:42:01 AM
crap that's today? 
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on November 07, 2015, 11:50:34 AM
crap that's today? 

Yeah, that's why it was critical to get that whole Sergio Vancouver preview out in chat last night.

I'll periscope again here in a minute.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: deputy dawg on November 09, 2015, 01:47:05 PM
Rode the train from KC to St. Louis last week, and was reminded of how tricky it is to take a piss on a moving train. 
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: The Big Train on November 09, 2015, 07:11:24 PM
Rode the train from KC to St. Louis last week, and was reminded of how tricky it is to take a piss on a moving train. 

no harder than at 2am when you leave the ville i would imagine
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on November 09, 2015, 10:34:14 PM
It was alright.  The bad person canadian customs guy that concluded the train ride kind of sour'd the experience.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 14, 2016, 06:06:39 PM
Drove by this guy at 6:00AM this morning, coming back from Pagosa Springs.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/14/470354891/amtrak-train-derails-near-dodge-city-kansas-injuring-some-20-passengers (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/14/470354891/amtrak-train-derails-near-dodge-city-kansas-injuring-some-20-passengers)
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
how are things in pasoga?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 14, 2016, 07:43:38 PM
Lovely, thanks for asking PC
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on April 02, 2016, 08:55:46 AM
On the train to Champaign right now! :woot:

Just passed through Rick Daris' boyhood home of Harvey, IL
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: CHONGS on April 02, 2016, 11:32:27 AM
On the train to Champaign right now! :woot:

Just passed through Rick Daris' boyhood home of Harvey, IL
:surprised:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on April 02, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
On the train to Champaign right now! :woot:

Just passed through Rick Daris' boyhood home of Harvey, IL
:surprised:

Rugby game cancelled so nothing but paking on the agenda. Just ate at Maize
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: CHONGS on April 02, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
On the train to Champaign right now! :woot:

Just passed through Rick Daris' boyhood home of Harvey, IL
:surprised:

Rugby game cancelled so nothing but paking on the agenda. Just ate at Maize
How long you in the area?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: 8manpick on April 02, 2016, 11:39:41 AM
Just the night
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on February 19, 2017, 07:28:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/833484780024918016
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2017, 08:58:36 PM
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/833484780024918016

For me, yes.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
Supergreen
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on May 28, 2017, 06:06:48 PM
I will rise again in late July.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on July 31, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
The train is great if not still waking up and/or hungover.  Drank all day, hopped on pretty easy, bought many drinks and found the dining car this time that has really comfortable seats and a better atmosphere with other trainPAK'rs.  There's a canadian trash bar right across from the station that we were able to knock out a few last beers at before realizing I was 20 minutes off on when the train departed and had to hustle over.

Canadian customs guard assholes aren't a train thing.  The guy at the airport when we flew in was shitty just like the last trip's train guy was.  The train guy going out was originally dickish but then when it came out that I was there on a free reward night and flight, we started talking points and it was all good.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2017, 12:52:06 AM
I think I'm done rising on trains for a while.

https://twitter.com/jonhumbert/status/942886387384139776
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 19, 2017, 12:55:00 AM
I think I'm done rising on trains for a while.

https://twitter.com/jonhumbert/status/942886387384139776
Yeah pretty scary for daily train risers

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: meow meow on December 19, 2017, 08:38:26 AM
how does that happen going 50 mph over the speed limit?  robots?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: mocat on December 19, 2017, 09:17:20 AM
how does that happen going 50 mph over the speed limit?  robots?

most likely human error due to fatigue/distraction.
bill was passed in 2008 that mandated electronic backup system to automatically slow/stop trains in overspeed situations (passenger and hazardous material trains only). congress gave until 2015 to get systems installed, and i think has since extended the deadline to 2018.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 19, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
Wasn't this the first run for this train, though? How does a new train not have up-to-date technology?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: mocat on December 19, 2017, 09:48:48 AM
Wasn't this the first run for this train, though?

i did not see that
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 19, 2017, 10:10:54 AM
Wasn't this the first run for this train, though? How does a new train not have up-to-date technology?

the train has it, but my understanding is that EVERY train operating on a given line has to have it, otherwise they don't use it.

It's really inexcusable that this happened, on the very first run of a new route that they've been testing for weeks or longer.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: The Big Train on December 19, 2017, 10:27:38 AM
This is exactly why I only ride underground trains
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 19, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Seems like you'd be overseeing everything real close to make sure nothing was screwed up on the first run ever.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Kat Kid on December 19, 2017, 11:49:36 AM
trains are much safer than cars
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 19, 2017, 12:56:36 PM
100% accident rate isn't looking too good.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2017, 01:32:23 PM
trains are much safer than cars

Quote
Zack Willhoite and Jim Hamre, two longtime rail advocates, were among those killed in the Monday derailment of an Amtrak train near Olympia.

Willhoite was a member of the enthusiasts’ group All Aboard Washington, and he was riding the Amtrak Cascades 501 with Jim Hamre, a fellow member.

Lloyd Flem, a friend for 35 years and vice president of the group, said Willhoite and Hamre were also interested in rail policy — to promote rail, ferries and buses as alternatives to single-occupancy cars.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/pierce-transit-employee-identified-as-victim-of-amtrak-train-derailment/
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: mocat on December 19, 2017, 02:01:54 PM
what if this was a hit job from big car?  :surprised:
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 19, 2017, 02:10:49 PM
trains are much safer than cars

Quote
Zack Willhoite and Jim Hamre, two longtime rail advocates, were among those killed in the Monday derailment of an Amtrak train near Olympia.

Willhoite was a member of the enthusiasts’ group All Aboard Washington, and he was riding the Amtrak Cascades 501 with Jim Hamre, a fellow member.

Lloyd Flem, a friend for 35 years and vice president of the group, said Willhoite and Hamre were also interested in rail policy — to promote rail, ferries and buses as alternatives to single-occupancy cars.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/pierce-transit-employee-identified-as-victim-of-amtrak-train-derailment/


I wonder if Lloyd Flem is still going to be a train advocate now.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2017, 02:26:14 PM
When you google All Aboard Washington now, the images are of the train wreckage.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Kat Kid on December 19, 2017, 02:29:02 PM
trains are much safer than cars

Quote
Zack Willhoite and Jim Hamre, two longtime rail advocates, were among those killed in the Monday derailment of an Amtrak train near Olympia.

Willhoite was a member of the enthusiasts’ group All Aboard Washington, and he was riding the Amtrak Cascades 501 with Jim Hamre, a fellow member.

Lloyd Flem, a friend for 35 years and vice president of the group, said Willhoite and Hamre were also interested in rail policy — to promote rail, ferries and buses as alternatives to single-occupancy cars.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/pierce-transit-employee-identified-as-victim-of-amtrak-train-derailment/

How many people get to die doing what they love?  An incredible gift.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 19, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
When you google All Aboard Washington now, the images are of the train wreckage.

They should probably remove the story just a little bit down about how the new service is going to improve on time performance.
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on December 19, 2017, 02:31:16 PM
This train did not have the mandated positive train control system. It was scheduled to be installed next year. Again how does a brand new train not have the latest safety systems?
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
I wonder if Lloyd Flem is still going to be a train advocate now.

Turns out he's pretty old, and featured here:

https://twitter.com/TedfordKING5/status/943193331223244800

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV-wiI_XXI4
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
How many people get to die doing what they love?  An incredible gift.

Quote from: Amtrak's pitch for this new route, probably
"Incapacitated" on the day you were originally to be driven from Seattle to Portland?  Rest easy, and hop on the new 10-minute-faster train the next day, while enjoying our comfortable toilets as you roll through the PNW at 80 mph!
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2017, 11:30:07 PM
Good articles summing everything up to date.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/transportation/article/Amtrak-Derailment-NTSB-Investigation-12442203.php

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/train-derailment-near-olympia-officials-pushed-aggressive-timeline-before-safety-technology-was-ready/
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Trim on December 22, 2017, 06:35:06 PM
https://twitter.com/seattlepi/status/944255654767792129
Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: KST8FAN on December 23, 2017, 02:06:41 PM
What are fatality rates for trains compared to cars and airplanes?

Rode the train twice on scout trips to Philmont (Southwest Chief) KC to Raton NM.  A fun experience if you ignore the delays.


Tom

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Title: Re: Rising on trains
Post by: Gooch on January 31, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Just about took out half of the GOP.

Edit: Mods move this to the Alex Jones conspiracy thread.  :excited: