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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Winters on August 14, 2015, 02:26:04 PM
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Where are you, Winters?
EDIT: Never mind, just got caught up on the new nicname.
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:lol:
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Where are you, Winters?
EDIT: Never mind, just got caught up on the new nicname.
Go Cats!
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Happy Birthday quarterback who had better be starting by Nov 14th.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Happy Birthday quarterback who had better be starting by Sept 5th.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Happy Birthday quarterback who had better be starting by Sept 5th.
Gonna win 'em all!
It is all in the scheme doctor's plan to use Ertz in the beginning to take the early punishment and then switch over mid year to get Banks ready for the title run next year.
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Happy Birthday quarterback who had better be starting by Sept 5th.
Gonna win 'em all!
Tech is the first game I will get to see him IRL. I am fine with it being earlier than that.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I'm looking forward to the season starting. I plan to be at each home game as every year. Hoping to see him early in the season.
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Dudes barely seeing the field at Independence CC and they suck. Good news guys. Maybe our coaching staff still knows a thing or two. :crossfingers:
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Dudes barely seeing the field at Independence CC and they suck. Good news guys. Maybe our coaching staff still knows a thing or two. :crossfingers:
They recruited him.
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Dudes barely seeing the field at Independence CC and they suck. Good news guys. Maybe our coaching staff still knows a thing or two. :crossfingers:
It's too bad they can't identify people who suck at QB until after they sign them up to play for K-State, though.
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Dudes barely seeing the field at Independence CC and they suck. Good news guys. Maybe our coaching staff still knows a thing or two. :crossfingers:
It's too bad they can't identify people who suck at QB until after they sign them up to play for K-State, though.
Happens with about 99% of teams tho. Everyone has a shitty QB on their roster.
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Dudes barely seeing the field at Independence CC and they suck. Good news guys. Maybe our coaching staff still knows a thing or two. :crossfingers:
They recruited him.
He was a last second spring recruit (4*) that ppl fell in love with. We were just trying to add depth at a very questionable position.
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Luckily the lack of depth and the fact that the position was questionable has nothing to do with our coaching staff. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fhand-gestures%2Fphew-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=973393127f49f6308f3962c50d18d871a116af6e)
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I think the important point is being overlooked here, this data suggests that 90% of gE has no rough ridin' clue whether a guy on our roster should really be playing more than anyone else.
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Some ppl just don't make the transition to D1 football. Delton was a big recruit when we landed him and it just hasn't clicked apparently. Jury is still out on Ertz. Hubs is decent for a walk-on and we just landed a 4 star out of KCMO that's red shirting. On paper, they've recruited the position fairly well in Snyder 2.0. Sams, the all time single season passer of all time (waters), Delton was getting looked at by LSU, and Thompson. I don't know what more you could ask for.
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I think the important point is being overlooked here, this data suggests that 90% of gE has no rough ridin' clue whether a guy on our roster should really be playing more than anyone else.
Yes, this!
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My understanding is that the kid is a phenomenal athlete and by all accounts a pretty good football player... just not a QB.
Problem is, Cali Love can't accept that fact and would rather toil away on the bench than to switch to a spot where he could be a solid contributor.
:buh-bye:
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Some ppl just don't make the transition to D1 football. Delton was a big recruit when we landed him and it just hasn't clicked apparently. Jury is still out on Ertz. Hubs is decent for a walk-on and we just landed a 4 star out of KCMO that's red shirting. On paper, they've recruited the position fairly well in Snyder 2.0. Sams, the all time single season passer of all time (waters), Delton was getting looked at by LSU, and Thompson. I don't know what more you could ask for.
Wacky, I want the Cats to be good and I hope one of Ertz, Delton, Thompson ends up panning out, but "on paper, they've recruited the position fairly well," really says it all.
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Some ppl just don't make the transition to D1 football. Delton was a big recruit when we landed him and it just hasn't clicked apparently. Jury is still out on Ertz. Hubs is decent for a walk-on and we just landed a 4 star out of KCMO that's red shirting. On paper, they've recruited the position fairly well in Snyder 2.0. Sams, the all time single season passer of all time (waters), Delton was getting looked at by LSU, and Thompson. I don't know what more you could ask for.
At this point, I will be shocked if either Delton or Thompson ever played meaningful time at QB for KSU. The likely scenario is that they transfer away we end up scrambling late once again to find a FBS level QB. The staff either can't find, can't develop, or can't keep HS talent at QB. Having a walk-on QB playing major minutes at a Power 5 conference school is not a good thing.
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Some ppl just don't make the transition to D1 football. Delton was a big recruit when we landed him and it just hasn't clicked apparently. Jury is still out on Ertz. Hubs is decent for a walk-on and we just landed a 4 star out of KCMO that's red shirting. On paper, they've recruited the position fairly well in Snyder 2.0. Sams, the all time single season passer of all time (waters), Delton was getting looked at by LSU, and Thompson. I don't know what more you could ask for.
At this point, I will be shocked if either Delton or Thompson ever played meaningful time at QB for KSU. The likely scenario is that they transfer away we end up scrambling late once again to find a FBS level QB. The staff either can't find, can't develop, or can't keep HS talent at QB. Having a walk-on QB playing major minutes at a Power 5 conference school is not a good thing.
LOL @ Thompson transferring.
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I dunno why anyone at this point would assume Thompson won't work out.
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Thompson's best shot is if Snyder retires after this season.
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You guys seriously aren't understanding that chingon is saying that Thompson won't get a fair shot to play until he's like 22 years old and he's too good to put up with that?
I mean I'm all in with Sisco but the fact that Thompson was essentially forced to redshirt without even getting the chance to compete for the starting job is ridiculous. And spare me the old trope about the playbook, our offense is the plainest of vanilla.
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You guys seriously aren't understanding that chingon is saying that Thompson won't get a fair shot to play until he's like 22 years old and he's too good to put up with that?
Serious question since I'm too young to remember much from Snyder 1.0: has this scenario EVER happened? Like, has a KSU QB ever in history been unfairly relegated to the bench and then either transfers or goes to the NFL and proves he was a stud all along? This seems like tinfoil hat stuff to me.
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The current brain trust of Dimel and Miller were much more just cogs in the machine in 1.0 - on most downs the run game coord and the passing game coord both gave a play to Bill and he chose the play. I am sure Bill was also completely in charge of the depth chart as well.
And Snyder 1.0 pretty much never gave up on a talented player for any reason - we honestly had a bit of the renegade program vibe Baylor developed minus the raping.
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You guys seriously aren't understanding that chingon is saying that Thompson won't get a fair shot to play until he's like 22 years old and he's too good to put up with that?
Serious question since I'm too young to remember much from Snyder 1.0: has this scenario EVER happened? Like, has a KSU QB ever in history been unfairly relegated to the bench and then either transfers or goes to the NFL and proves he was a stud all along? This seems like tinfoil hat stuff to me.
Ell was benched and then went on to win the Big 12.
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I'm talking about something that proves it was a bad coaching decision. I think that example tends to show the opposite.
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Daniel Sams went on to account for 24 touchdowns last year for a very good FCS team while we mumped around with a walkon who couldn't start at QB at his pud ass KS high school and a walk on WR behind center. Seems like a confirmed bad decision to let him get away.
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Bryce Brown was relegated to the bench and went to the NFL.
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That's like one example and he's already out of the league. SAMs also spit time at Mcneese a lot too. Couldn't win it outright and his numbers were average at best, but whatever.
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That's like one example and he's already out of the league. SAMs also spit time at Mcneese a lot too. Couldn't win it outright and his numbers were average at best, but whatever.
Split time with a senior his first year and his senior year having 24 total TDs and over 900 yards rushing isn't average, at best.
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You guys seriously aren't understanding that chingon is saying that Thompson won't get a fair shot to play until he's like 22 years old and he's too good to put up with that?
Serious question since I'm too young to remember much from Snyder 1.0: has this scenario EVER happened? Like, has a KSU QB ever in history been unfairly relegated to the bench and then either transfers or goes to the NFL and proves he was a stud all along? This seems like tinfoil hat stuff to me.
Yes, Allan Evridge.
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That's like one example and he's already out of the league. SAMs also spit time at Mcneese a lot too. Couldn't win it outright and his numbers were average at best, but whatever.
Split time with a senior and 24 total TDs and over 900 yards rushing isn't average, at best.
It's average for a dual threat QB at the fcs level. It's no rough ridin' Johnny Manziel numbers by any means.
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His passing TD/INT ratio was 13/9 :Ugh:
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Hubes accounted for 22 TD's last season, 2 shy of Daniel Sams breakout season. :lol:
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You guys seriously aren't understanding that chingon is saying that Thompson won't get a fair shot to play until he's like 22 years old and he's too good to put up with that?
Serious question since I'm too young to remember much from Snyder 1.0: has this scenario EVER happened? Like, has a KSU QB ever in history been unfairly relegated to the bench and then either transfers or goes to the NFL and proves he was a stud all along? This seems like tinfoil hat stuff to me.
Yes, Allan Evridge.
This is probably the closest example I've heard so far (I don't think Bryce Brown is a good one because he already was rejected from another team and as I understand it, he walked away from the program due to personal issues). Was Evridge under Snyder or Prince though?
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:billdance:Evridge was decent at Wisconsin. Played with some defensive teams. He went 7-6 his senior year.
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Meh on his stats tho http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/allan-evridge-1.html
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Kevin Lopina was dog crap at Washington State too. He's literally never Lost anyone worthwhile
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I found the answer guys! Tim Flanders!
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I found the answer guys! Tim Flanders!
D1ish though...
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Yeah, true. D1ish all American tho.
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The current brain trust of Dimel and Miller were much more just cogs in the machine in 1.0 - on most downs the run game coord and the passing game coord both gave a play to Bill and he chose the play. I am sure Bill was also completely in charge of the depth chart as well.
And Snyder 1.0 pretty much never gave up on a talented player for any reason - we honestly had a bit of the renegade program vibe Baylor developed minus the raping.
This is the correct answer, dummies; not Daniel Sams, Kevin Lopina, or Bryce Brown.
The quarterback has been an unbelievable failure under Snyder 2.0 and it started by not being able to hang onto Josh Freeman. This staff gets absolutely no credit for falling dick first into CK7, they rough ridin' had him playing behind CCQ and a one armed man; Daniel Thomas had 4 passing attempts to Klein's 1 in '09. They had no clue what they had in him his first year in the program and that's kind of the point with Thompson.
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Given the option, wacky would rather go 6-6 with a white QB rather than 12-0 with a black one. Sad, really
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Given the option, wacky would rather go 6-6 with a white QB rather than 12-0 with a black one. Sad, really
lol. You dumb eff. Look at their stats from last year. They're almost identical and Hubes got yanked a ton. Stop trying to make Sams some god like creature. Do your research.
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Also, the answer is Ian Seau
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ian-seau-1.html
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I really, really liked Sams and hated it when he left, but he's overly praised here.
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I really, really liked Sams and hated it when he left, but he's overly praised here.
Yes, my same exact feelings. He was an exciting player to watch, but unfortunately on here, if you don't join his cult, you're racist. #fartnoise
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You guys seriously aren't understanding that chingon is saying that Thompson won't get a fair shot to play until he's like 22 years old and he's too good to put up with that?
Serious question since I'm too young to remember much from Snyder 1.0: has this scenario EVER happened? Like, has a KSU QB ever in history been unfairly relegated to the bench and then either transfers or goes to the NFL and proves he was a stud all along? This seems like tinfoil hat stuff to me.
Yes, Allan Evridge.
This is probably the closest example I've heard so far (I don't think Bryce Brown is a good one because he already was rejected from another team and as I understand it, he walked away from the program due to personal issues). Was Evridge under Snyder or Prince though?
Evridge: recruited by snyder, left under prince.
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I am not actually specifically talking about Delton or Thompson not getting fair shots or not. I am simply saying that I would be surprised if either of them actually played QB (in a significant) capacity at KSU. Why that would be? I am not sure, it could be that they aren't Big 12 starting QB material or that our staff can't develop them into starting QB material.
The misses at recruiting a HS QB since Ell have been pretty clear. We can talk about smart the staff is for not playing bad talent, but they recruited said talent AND couldn't recruit well enough to prevent us from having from having a QB who couldn't start in HS and a WR playing QB splitting time last year.
So sure, lol at Banks, but also lol at this staff as well.
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In short: we have no reason to think this staff can identify HS QB talent at the Big 12 level. And until shown otherwise, I will assume they either misidentified talent or cannot develop it at the QB position.
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I was going to throw Thompson's offers in your face but they aren't great, only great by this staff's normal standard.
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I don't wanna go down the road that Rivals is lazy and they don't update offers after a QB commits, but I feel like that's the case a lot of the time. Delton and Thompson were pretty early commits. Mrs Wacky's fam (big donors) said Delton had offers from LSU, Auburn, and Mizzou, but it doesn't show. Maybe they stop listing offers or people stop recruiting these guys after their early commits? :dunno: I do have a strong feeling they don't list all of their offers most of the time.
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I don't wanna go down the road that Rivals is lazy and they don't update offers after a QB commits, but I feel like that's the case a lot of the time. Delton and Thompson were pretty early commits. Mrs Wacky's fam (big donors) said Delton had offers from LSU, Auburn, and Mizzou, but it doesn't show. Maybe they stop listing offers or people stop recruiting these guys after their early commits? :dunno: I do have a strong feealing they don't list all of their offers most of the time.
They don't.
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I don't wanna go down the road that Rivals is lazy and they don't update offers after a QB commits, but I feel like that's the case a lot of the time. Delton and Thompson were pretty early commits. Mrs Wacky's fam (big donors) said Delton had offers from LSU, Auburn, and Mizzou, but it doesn't show. Maybe they stop listing offers or people stop recruiting these guys after their early commits? :dunno: I do have a strong feeling they don't list all of their offers most of the time.
:lol:
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Ok, yeah. I know they do, but Rivals doesn't care enough to change it on their website unless they flip or decommit.
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Offers from other schools are great (I would make sure they are to play QB), but then why can't they get on the field? Why did we need to have a walk-on QB who never started a game in High School and a WR play QB last year? Either way it comes down to:
1) coaches can't properly evaluate HS QB talent and waste offers on kids who they push out in a couple of years
2) if given a talented kid from high school coaches can't develop them into a Big 12 QB
Maybe we need juco QBs because they can actually get taught the position before they reach KSU and all that is needed is polish and "learning the playbook".
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Offers from other schools are great (I would make sure they are to play QB), but then why can't they get on the field? Why did we need to have a walk-on QB who never started a game in High School and a WR play QB last year? Either way it comes down to:
1) coaches can't properly evaluate HS QB talent and waste offers on kids who they push out in a couple of years
2) if given a talented kid from high school coaches can't develop them into a Big 12 QB
Maybe we need juco QBs because they can actually get taught the position before they reach KSU and all that is needed is polish and "learning the playbook".
I know CK was and exception to the rule, but they did a nice job of developing him.
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he was offered by those schools that is correct but it wasnt to play qb
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he was offered by those schools that is correct but it wasnt to play qb
Link?
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he was offered by those schools that is correct but it wasnt to play qb
Link?
dude that was three years ago, i mean google it if you want but he was offered by lsu to play safety for sure
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Just checked out 24/7, he was offered by Nebraska and visited their camp, but nothing on Rivals. That's my point. Even sams other schools showed up on there, even tho it wasn't totally for playing QB. (Miami, OU, etc.)
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well rivals has been trash for a very long time im not sure what you are getting at here.
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I was going to throw Thompson's offers in your face but they aren't great, only great by this staff's normal standard.
I was just reacting to this kslim. Just noting that rivals doesn't always list all of their offers. but whatever, it doesn't matter.
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I was going to throw Thompson's offers in your face but they aren't great, only great by this staff's normal standard.
I was just reacting to this kslim. Just noting that rivals doesn't always list all of their offers. but whatever, it doesn't matter.
I think you quoted the wrong post here but for what it's worth I looked at 24/7 before I saw rivals and rivals has more offers listed for him than 24/7
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I feel like it's known, but also needs said, recruiting a QB is a crap shoot and not easy to predict. It looks like UT might have a guy now, but how long since their last stud? Lots of primo schools go through droughts of poor QB play. I mean, yea it really blows for us, but it usually takes a little luck to have even semi consistent good play at that position.
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I feel like it's known, but also needs said, recruiting a QB is a crap shoot and not easy to predict. It looks like UT might have a guy now, but how long since their last stud? Lots of primo schools go through droughts of poor QB play. I mean, yea it really blows for us, but it usually takes a little luck to have even semi consistent good play at that position.
Baylor and Tech must just be real good at "crap shooting" or it could be system. Maybe our offensive approach requires a once in a generation type player at QB and we should scrap this ridiculous offense for something that can be recruited to.
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I feel like it's known, but also needs said, recruiting a QB is a crap shoot and not easy to predict. It looks like UT might have a guy now, but how long since their last stud? Lots of primo schools go through droughts of poor QB play. I mean, yea it really blows for us, but it usually takes a little luck to have even semi consistent good play at that position.
Baylor and Tech must just be real good at "crap shooting" or it could be system. Maybe our offensive approach requires a once in a generation type player at QB and we should scrap this ridiculous offense for something that can be recruited to.
combination of both imo. snyder out thinks himself so the playbook (and how the qbs learn it) is a legit thing that people who have come through our system just simply cant grasp. where we eff up over and over again is getting a good athlete and not changing the system to fit their needs. he is a stubborn old man thats really what it comes down to
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the legend of our playbook always cracks me up when I see the complete lack of variety or creativity on the field the last couple of years. They did innovate a bit with CK/Sams/Waters though.
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the legend of our playbook always cracks me up when I see the complete lack of variety or creativity on the field the last couple of years. They did innovate a bit with CK/Sams/Waters though.
have you not seen it? i mean yes it looks simple on the field but the actual playbook itself is bigger than most nfl teams. it is absurd that he wont play some people based on 900 plays that we will never ever run
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No it's not.
The hard part is knowing when and what to check to and being able to do it before the play clock expires
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the legend of our playbook always cracks me up when I see the complete lack of variety or creativity on the field the last couple of years. They did innovate a bit with CK/Sams/Waters though.
have you not seen it? i mean yes it looks simple on the field but the actual playbook itself is bigger than most nfl teams. it is absurd that he wont play some people based on 900 plays that we will never ever run
yeah it cracks me up because we run like six plays over the course of a season and then maybe throw in a reverse when we're down 3 scores.
No it's not.
The hard part is knowing when and what to check to and being able to do it before the play clock expires
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Which pretty much involves counting the defense on the left side and then counting the defense on the right side and running to the side with the fewest players.
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They've got to identify front, stunt/blitz and coverage.
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the legend of our playbook always cracks me up when I see the complete lack of variety or creativity on the field the last couple of years. They did innovate a bit with CK/Sams/Waters though.
have you not seen it? i mean yes it looks simple on the field but the actual playbook itself is bigger than most nfl teams. it is absurd that he wont play some people based on 900 plays that we will never ever run
yeah it cracks me up because we run like six plays over the course of a season and then maybe throw in a reverse when we're down 3 scores.
No it's not.
The hard part is knowing when and what to check to and being able to do it before the play clock expires
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Which pretty much involves counting the defense on the left side and then counting the defense on the right side and running to the side with the fewest players.
i like to call that play the shortside option for a gain of -3
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I feel like it's known, but also needs said, recruiting a QB is a crap shoot and not easy to predict. It looks like UT might have a guy now, but how long since their last stud? Lots of primo schools go through droughts of poor QB play. I mean, yea it really blows for us, but it usually takes a little luck to have even semi consistent good play at that position.
Baylor and Tech must just be real good at "crap shooting" or it could be system. Maybe our offensive approach requires a once in a generation type player at QB and we should scrap this ridiculous offense for something that can be recruited to.
Like k slim said, it's a combo. I wouldn't say you can just thrown any Jimmy/Joe in there an succeed at Baylor or TT, but at the same time, they aren't exactly churning out future all pro QBs very often even w/ their insane numbers.
The easier question is if it's easier, why are there periodic problems for schools that regularly rank in the top 20 recruiting classes?
Our coaching staff doesn't deserve a free pass forever, though. And maybe Ertz will get better? Prolly not a whole lot, but he'll probably be "ok".
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the legend of our playbook always cracks me up when I see the complete lack of variety or creativity on the field the last couple of years. They did innovate a bit with CK/Sams/Waters though.
have you not seen it? i mean yes it looks simple on the field but the actual playbook itself is bigger than most nfl teams. it is absurd that he wont play some people based on 900 plays that we will never ever run
yeah it cracks me up because we run like six plays over the course of a season and then maybe throw in a reverse when we're down 3 scores.
No it's not.
The hard part is knowing when and what to check to and being able to do it before the play clock expires
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Which pretty much involves counting the defense on the left side and then counting the defense on the right side and running to the side with the fewest players.
it really does get old. watching the game with a non-Cat fan he was mortified by our scheme/clock management. he's like, "is it always like this?" "sure," i said. "but only for the last 25 years."
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Yeah the LSU fans I watched our game with couldn't believe our QB and clock management either. And they're LSU, which their guy is throwing for around 50% completion rate. Which I would take.
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Also, the answer is Ian Seau
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ian-seau-1.html
Seau headed to Kansas State but homesickness made him return to San Diego.
Got dang, coaches! :curse:
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Bucket, keep up. We were talking about the best players to leave the program under Snyder. We don't care about the reasoning.
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the legend of our playbook always cracks me up when I see the complete lack of variety or creativity on the field the last couple of years. They did innovate a bit with CK/Sams/Waters though.
have you not seen it? i mean yes it looks simple on the field but the actual playbook itself is bigger than most nfl teams. it is absurd that he wont play some people based on 900 plays that we will never ever run
yeah it cracks me up because we run like six plays over the course of a season and then maybe throw in a reverse when we're down 3 scores.
No it's not.
The hard part is knowing when and what to check to and being able to do it before the play clock expires
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Which pretty much involves counting the defense on the left side and then counting the defense on the right side and running to the side with the fewest players.
i like to call that play the shortside option for a gain of -3
shortside option works when its Bishop & Murphy or Ell & Sproles - not so much with Ertz & Jones and that is what is completely aggravating about this offensive coaching staff. The risk/reward when running the option and even zone read with our the type of athletes we are playing at QB and RB is illogical imo.
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Bucket, keep up. We were talking about the best players to leave the program under Snyder. We don't care about the reasoning.
Not what I was talking about...
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clearly more than just short side option depending on what defense is doing.
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Cire, no one is doubting the robustness of the playbook just the utilization of said playbook and to an extent how overrated our big playbook is in comparison to others.
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I mean there's always this talk about the playbook and having it mastered and then Danell calls the same 10 unimaginative plays. Also worth noting that leaked playbook was from an era before the current check with me scheme that seemingly puts the play calling even more in the hands of the coaches. So why do you need to memorize 264,820 plays when you're not even calling them anyway?
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So why do you need to memorize 264,820 plays when you're not even calling them anyway?
Because they're not going to explain what the play is that they're calling from the sideline.
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I mean there's always this talk about the playbook and having it mastered and then Danell calls the same 10 unimaginative plays. Also worth noting that leaked playbook was from an era before the current check with me scheme that seemingly puts the play calling even more in the hands of the coaches. So why do you need to memorize 264,820 plays when you're not even calling them anyway?
god damn...this x 1000%. id be curious as to how many times they run the play that is the original play that they called to begin with. i get the check with me system but we eff it up soooo bad sometimes
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So why do you need to memorize 264,820 plays when you're not even calling them anyway?
Because they're not going to explain what the play is that they're calling from the sideline.
Every player on the team has to be able to read the play from the sideline. Why are our QBs just so much worse at figuring them out than everyone else?
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So why do you need to memorize 264,820 plays when you're not even calling them anyway?
Because they're not going to explain what the play is that they're calling from the sideline.
Every player on the team has to be able to read the play from the sideline. Why are our QBs just so much worse at figuring them out than everyone else?
Which is exactly what I was going to ask next, why don't we ever seem to have running backs or wide receivers who can't play or need to be benched as freshmen because they can't "get the playbook." Our fan base can't come to grips that this is a ridiculous talking point.
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I think the point is our QBs are somehow overwhelmed trying to read coverages and make even the smallest of adjustments at the line. It's not all about the plays that are called, it could be something like assigning a blocker for a blitzing back or having the line shift to the right on their blocking schemes.
It's obviously counterproductive a lot of the time, but I see the idea behind it. I think our QBs have to be asked to do more at the line than most other teams since they seem to lose track of the clock so easily.
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Maybe this is tucks, tucking, but I remember hearing that our TE's had to call/read the play pre-snap because supposedly Bishop couldn't and or didn't know what to look for.
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our offense has kinda sucked for a while and the problem with our offense has nothing to do with our playbook
ultimately, our old as eff coaches have become conservative with their play calling to a point of hurting the team. snyder's offense used to be fun to watch, of course, we had much more talented players making decisions back then- which points to our shitty recruiting which stems from shitty coaches doing shitty jobs at their jobs.
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I think the point is our QBs are somehow overwhelmed trying to read coverages and make even the smallest of adjustments at the line. It's not all about the plays that are called, it could be something like assigning a blocker for a blitzing back or having the line shift to the right on their blocking schemes.
It's obviously counterproductive a lot of the time, but I see the idea behind it. I think our QBs have to be asked to do more at the line than most other teams since they seem to lose track of the clock so easily.
LFBIQ on my part but it's all overthinking. When you have a green playing time QB out there "trying to call the perfect play" and constantly having to check with the sideline to adjust, it bogs the system down. The obsession with getting something perfect ends up flying in the face of just performing the play. The QB has to think, rather than react or trust instincts and use his best judgement when the situation arises. So we end up looking stuck, lost, miscommunicating and underperforming. It's truly a blessing that CK was so good at doing that, and Waters was ok at it and we got bailed out a lot of times by TLBL. We didn't have any of that last year, and if Ertz can't get it figured out this year we'll be in the same spot. That or the coaches need to back off and allow Ertz more autonomy in being able to make the right call.
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https://twitter.com/jeremycrabtree/status/788448015778476032
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Round two?
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eff our coaching staff
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Sonofabtch. The only thing I can figure out is that he turned the ball over too much in practice, he threw to a lot of covered receivers in those highlights. I can't figure out how he couldn't even get a chance, how he couldn't beat out Hubener and a wide receiver, looks like Crabby can't figure that out either.
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Do you guys really think Ertz would not produce highlights at least that good out of Independence Community College?
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Do you guys really think Ertz would not produce highlights at least that good out of Independence Community College?
would he have magically not overthrown everyone of those deep passes?
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Do you guys really think Ertz would not produce highlights at least that good out of Independence Community College?
No.
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Do you guys really think Ertz would not produce highlights at least that good out of Independence Community College?
What does that have to do with anything?
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My point wasn't exclusive to Ertz, though I agree it never made sense why Banks did not see the field over at least Cook. I always assumed he did not want to burn his redshirt nearly halfway through the season when it became apparent Hubes was not going to develop into a true starter.
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In our system the coaches would prefer the qb to make the checks on their own which we did see ertz doing some. In some conditions the play call is check with me and the count always is on two, down set go, look down set go.
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"Kansas State had a pecking order that they believed in and I just didn't feel like I receive a fair opportunity to compete. When I did get a chance to show what I had I made plays even with one and two reps, but they most definitely didn't want me to leave. I was never a problem there and I made sure I took care of all my business."
http://www.scout.com/junior-college-football/story/1718909-banks-makes-a-name-for-himself-at-indy
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:flush:
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On the field this season, Banks has helped lead the Pirates to a 2-4 record
Can't believe we let him go. :frown:
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Season 3 of Netflix's Last Chance U will feature Independence CC. Filming this fall. Released next summer.
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Sucks he's at Tulane now.
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#blessed
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Not bad so far.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/2655/tulane-green-wave
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Not bad so far.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/2655/tulane-green-wave
Tulane redshirt junior QB Jonathan Banks (undisclosed) will not start against Oklahoma on Saturday.
Banks left the contest against Navy with an undisclosed injury, and was replaced by Jonathan Brantley, who gets the start against the Sooners. Banks hasn't been ruled out for the game yet, so there's at least a chance he'll see time for Tulane against Oklahoma, he just won't get the start.
Source: Guerry Smith on Twitter Sep 14 - 8:21 PM