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Title: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2015, 07:10:46 AM
so, with our current RB/WR situation how many times are we going to run the little fake QB run pass to gronk play? like over a million times per game? will it continue to work after "going to the well" that often? I mean, all indications are that it has zero diminishing returns given how often we continue to whip ass with it but I'm concerned that may not hold for infinity times running it.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2015, 07:11:20 AM
main point of thread being our RB/WR situation is not very good guys
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2015, 07:11:36 AM
in case you couldn't figure that out
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Pendergast on July 07, 2015, 07:44:28 AM
Return of the bubble screen.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: troubledscribe on July 07, 2015, 07:45:23 AM
Silmon for Heisman.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 07, 2015, 08:33:12 AM
Hopefully it's the only play in the playbook when OU comes to town.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: MadCat on July 07, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
Modified Ron Prince play:  lateral to Gronk; GRONK PASS FOR WIN
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: fun muffin on July 07, 2015, 09:24:37 AM
I thought that play worked less and less as the year went on.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: slobber on July 07, 2015, 09:28:37 AM
That's just what Snyder wanted you to think.


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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: kslim on July 07, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
we are going to be like early 80's big ten smash mouth teams only not as good
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: AbeFroman on July 07, 2015, 09:40:12 AM
We will run the Gronk play only once during non-con cause "lol @ opening up the playbook  :billdance:"

We'll run it a million times during Big 12 play and it will only work against the dumbasses (ku, Rhoads, Tech?). Other teams will  :lol: at us
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Pete on July 07, 2015, 10:13:04 AM
I'd say that QB fits into the "may not be very good" pool of skill position concerns.

Our Offense is basically Gronk and the Donks (Donks is a bad thing word I made up because of its rhymenessness with Gronk)
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Pete on July 07, 2015, 10:14:43 AM
"Gronk and Dongs" is also one that I am trying out when referring to our offense.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: treysolid on July 07, 2015, 05:30:05 PM
main point of thread being our RB/WR situation is not very good guys

hey SD, is this a personal belief or have you been hearing grumblings from within the program that our offense is going to be garbage?
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2015, 06:32:30 PM

main point of thread being our RB/WR situation is not very good guys

hey SD, is this a personal belief or have you been hearing grumblings from within the program that our offense is going to be garbage?

Just my feeling (fear?)
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: cas4ksu on July 07, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
I think 2001 is the worst offensive team we have had under Snyder during the DOD + Part 2. In 2011, we really had no idea what we had with CK and the rest of the offense and we put up a pretty good amount of points.

Three things:

1. While I whole heartedly admit we are short on talent at receiver, all it really takes is one or two people to step up there and we can manage. Klein, Cook and DB should all be solid enough to catch things that are thrown at them. Also they are all big enough to handle blocking (which I assume we will be running the ball much more this year). If either Andre Davis can live up to his 4 stars (probably won't) or we can get a contribution from Goolsby or Heath on the outside that would help a great deal. (probably won't from Heath, Goolsby probably redshirt).

2. Special teams will be extra important. Having Walsh and McCrane (stud) will help a ton with field position. We should be among the best in the conference on ST again this season.

3. In regards to the running back position, I'm a firm believer that the RB is a product of the OL. The OL should be one of the better units in the conference (4 returning starters). But I've been disappointed with how under Dickey the last few seasons the OL has seemingly gotten worse. We can't run the ball against a good run D and we can only run marginally against a bad run D. I'll allow that the change in offensive philosophy to a more pass oriented offense has something to do with that but this year we will have to be a much better running team.

I don't mind the talent at the RB position, it's not great, but I think with improved OL play the lack of a stud RB will be minimized.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2015, 07:35:13 AM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Katpappy on July 08, 2015, 07:40:20 AM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.
Big Buck Banks will have this wrapped up this fall.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Katpappy on July 08, 2015, 07:43:43 AM
Snyder basically said he's a Sam's kind of player, with QB skills.  :billdance:  :dance:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2015, 12:58:57 PM

who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.
Big Buck Banks will have this wrapped up this fall.

I believe you're referring to, California Love.


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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 08, 2015, 01:12:24 PM

who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.
Big Buck Banks will have this wrapped up this fall.

I believe you're referring to, California Love.


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"TOUCHDOWN, California Love! Banks puts another one on the board as the cats take a 32-18 lead over the #16 ranked Texas Tech Red Raiders on the road. He seemed to be searching forever for a shitty receiver until he decided to launch the ball 60 yards in the air to himself. Man, this California Love guy is something else."
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2015, 01:29:29 PM
He seemed to be searching forever for a shitty receiver

 :lol:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on July 08, 2015, 01:47:33 PM
Guys, what if this crop of SEC-caliber studs that 'Dre pulled in from Jawjuh are ready to come in and contribute right away though?

Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: dmartin on July 08, 2015, 01:51:38 PM

who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.
Big Buck Banks will have this wrapped up this fall.

I believe you're referring to, California Love.


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"TOUCHDOWN, California Love! Banks puts another one on the board as the cats take a 32-18 lead over the #16 ranked Texas Tech Red Raiders on the road. He seemed to be searching forever for a shitty receiver until he decided to launch the ball 60 yards in the air to himself. Man, this California Love guy is something else."

and then #16 ranked Texas Tech starts their usual late season slide to finish 5-7 correct?
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: treysolid on July 08, 2015, 02:01:35 PM
Guys, what if this crop of SEC-caliber studs that 'Dre pulled in from Jawjuh are ready to come in and contribute right away though?

Well, only 2 of them play offense, so that's a pretty small what-if.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Trogdor on July 08, 2015, 02:18:30 PM
Guys, what if this crop of SEC-caliber studs that 'Dre pulled in from Jawjuh are ready to come in and contribute right away though?

Well, only 2 of them play offense, so that's a pretty small what-if.

Even if only one does, "50% of our freshmen contributed" sounds pretty good
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on July 08, 2015, 03:13:42 PM
Guys, what if this crop of SEC-caliber studs that 'Dre pulled in from Jawjuh are ready to come in and contribute right away though?

Well, only 2 of them play offense, so that's a pretty small what-if.


Even if only one does, "50% of our freshmen contributed" sounds pretty good
Kalin Heath is gonna be so badass you guys
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: stunted on July 08, 2015, 06:19:51 PM
I'd say that QB fits into the "may not be very good" pool of skill position concerns.

Our Offense is basically Gronk and the Donks (Donks is a bad thing word I made up because of its rhymenessness with Gronk)

In poker, donk is a bad player. This totally works.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: cas4ksu on July 08, 2015, 10:04:59 PM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.

I'd really like to see it go in this order:

1A: Delton
1B: Banks

2: Hubener

3. Ertz

With that being said, it's anybody's guess on what we decide to do with Delton. You have two choices, redshirt and don't look back or start him.

If you go with the redshirt, which I think is probably the smartest, safest move, then I would like to see Banks be starting by conference play. I would bet that either Ertz or Hubener starts the opener and the next few games as we try to bring Banks and Delton along.

While Bazooka Joe is a ways down on my list of preferred starters, I haven't totally given up on him. He has good arm strength and really played pretty well in garbage time last year. The reason that most people have soured on him is his performance in the Spring Game.

Ertz, IMO, isn't really a factor. Don't like him. I would be very disappointed if he is named the starter based on what I've seen.

I guess who you want to be the starter depends on what you think this season holds. If you think that we just chalk this one up as a rebuilding season and win 6-7 games, then I say you roll with Delton/Banks from Day 1. If you think this team could win 9+ and compete for a NY6 bowl game/conference title, then, well I think you have to start Hubener to start with based on his experience and time in the program.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: millertime on July 08, 2015, 11:43:27 PM
I had a dream last night that Banks was our starter. My dreams about future events are never right so I doubt he starts.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2015, 07:14:48 AM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.

I'd really like to see it go in this order:

1A: Delton
1B: Banks

2: Hubener

3. Ertz

With that being said, it's anybody's guess on what we decide to do with Delton. You have two choices, redshirt and don't look back or start him.

If you go with the redshirt, which I think is probably the smartest, safest move, then I would like to see Banks be starting by conference play. I would bet that either Ertz or Hubener starts the opener and the next few games as we try to bring Banks and Delton along.

While Bazooka Joe is a ways down on my list of preferred starters, I haven't totally given up on him. He has good arm strength and really played pretty well in garbage time last year. The reason that most people have soured on him is his performance in the Spring Game.

Ertz, IMO, isn't really a factor. Don't like him. I would be very disappointed if he is named the starter based on what I've seen.

I guess who you want to be the starter depends on what you think this season holds. If you think that we just chalk this one up as a rebuilding season and win 6-7 games, then I say you roll with Delton/Banks from Day 1. If you think this team could win 9+ and compete for a NY6 bowl game/conference title, then, well I think you have to start Hubener to start with based on his experience and time in the program.

cas, these are basically my exact thoughts
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2015, 07:18:31 AM
Didn't they make another K-State rule this off season on that dump pass?
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: kslim on July 09, 2015, 07:57:44 AM
espn big 12 dude seems to think delton is starting day 1. im okay with this
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2015, 08:28:02 AM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: kslim on July 09, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2015, 09:13:37 AM
Incredible recruiting.  #EMAW


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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: That_Guy on July 09, 2015, 10:43:30 AM

espn big 12 dude seems to think delton is starting day 1. im okay with this

Has this happened in Snyder's tenure? A true freshman starting Day 1?


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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2015, 11:58:12 AM

espn big 12 dude seems to think delton is starting day 1. im okay with this

Has this happened in Snyder's tenure? A true freshman starting Day 1?


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bill doesn't have a whole lot of say in the matter anymore
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: #LIFE on July 09, 2015, 12:11:57 PM
Hopefully Delton/Banks are as advertised and there won't be a need to rely on an All-American WR to bail out a shitty QB
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: meow meow on July 09, 2015, 12:53:37 PM

espn big 12 dude seems to think delton is starting day 1. im okay with this

Has this happened in Snyder's tenure? A true freshman starting Day 1?


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bill doesn't have a whole lot of say in the matter anymore

if that's true, then IT'S ERTZ!
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: kslim on July 09, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:
Yes, he is but he is better than you make him out to be. Also he is my guy so watch your mouth
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2015, 03:18:56 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:
Yes, he is but he is better than you make him out to be. Also he is my guy so watch your mouth

I hope you're right, kslim. I hope you're right. He certainly has the tools and potential to take that next step.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on July 09, 2015, 03:49:10 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:

No.  The correct answer at this point is Kyle Klein.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: troubledscribe on July 09, 2015, 03:54:52 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:

No.  The correct answer at this point is Kyle Klein.

Wrong. Cody Cook.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on July 09, 2015, 04:01:55 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:

No.  The correct answer at this point is Kyle Klein.

Wrong. Cody Cook.

Our WR coach disagrees... You stand corrected.

 :dubious:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2015, 04:03:05 PM
For some reason, I was thinking Kyle Klein injured himself and ended his career. Good to know he's back.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: troubledscribe on July 09, 2015, 04:04:18 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:

No.  The correct answer at this point is Kyle Klein.

Wrong. Cody Cook.

Our WR coach disagrees... You stand corrected.

 :dubious:

Our wr coach has the worst receiving core I've seen, obviously he knows what he is doing though.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on July 09, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:

No.  The correct answer at this point is Kyle Klein.

Wrong. Cody Cook.

Our WR coach disagrees... You stand corrected.

 :dubious:

Our wr coach has the worst receiving core I've seen, obviously he knows what he is doing though.

Somehow Sexton was a good player last year, I don't think we really need to worry about WR. I would worry about the O-Line, are they going to be good enough this year to open up holes?
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Frankenklein on July 09, 2015, 05:57:18 PM
I think Burton will at least be serviceable. He's capable of getting separation from the defender and getting open, but will frustrate you by the number of catchable balls he drops. Nothing to get too excited about, but at least it's something.
hey bucket, go eff yourself

Is he not the cats best option right now?  :dunno:

No.  The correct answer at this point is Kyle Klein.

Wrong. Cody Cook.

Our WR coach disagrees... You stand corrected.

 :dubious:

Our wr coach has the worst receiving core I've seen, obviously he knows what he is doing though.

Somehow Sexton was a good player last year, I don't think we really need to worry about WR. I would worry about the O-Line, are they going to be good enough this year to open up holes?
Just now listening to the local Manhattan radio sports talk and they are discussing how we did last year in 9 or so different situational rushing stats.Not good guys,averaging around 100 national rank  :bawl: Now they just talked about how dependant we were on Lockett and Sexton  :bawl: But still ready for some Cat football
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: SPEmaw on July 10, 2015, 08:18:57 AM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.

I'd really like to see it go in this order:

1A: Delton
1B: Banks

2: Hubener

3. Ertz

With that being said, it's anybody's guess on what we decide to do with Delton. You have two choices, redshirt and don't look back or start him.

If you go with the redshirt, which I think is probably the smartest, safest move, then I would like to see Banks be starting by conference play. I would bet that either Ertz or Hubener starts the opener and the next few games as we try to bring Banks and Delton along.

While Bazooka Joe is a ways down on my list of preferred starters, I haven't totally given up on him. He has good arm strength and really played pretty well in garbage time last year. The reason that most people have soured on him is his performance in the Spring Game.

Ertz, IMO, isn't really a factor. Don't like him. I would be very disappointed if he is named the starter based on what I've seen.

I guess who you want to be the starter depends on what you think this season holds. If you think that we just chalk this one up as a rebuilding season and win 6-7 games, then I say you roll with Delton/Banks from Day 1. If you think this team could win 9+ and compete for a NY6 bowl game/conference title, then, well I think you have to start Hubener to start with based on his experience and time in the program.

I get what you're saying...but if the team is chalking this one up as a rebuilding year (admitting this as a program would go against more than 1, maybe all, of LHCBS's goals) then can't you argue that you should save the promising QBs for next year when we should have some better offensive talent? If the team is going to have a 6-7 win ceiling this season then why not just play Ertz or Bazooka Joe? I get the argument of getting Delton/Banks experience but that seems to be a waste in the end.

Bottom line: I don't think that this program will accept 6 or 7 wins as a ceiling. I think there's enough talent on this team to surprise people and finish 3-5 in the league and surprise some folks. Start the best guy - probably Delton or Banks - and have some fun getting 8 or 9 wins. Beat the teams they should and find an upset somewhere. :dunno:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on July 10, 2015, 10:49:38 AM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.

I'd really like to see it go in this order:

1A: Delton
1B: Banks

2: Hubener

3. Ertz

With that being said, it's anybody's guess on what we decide to do with Delton. You have two choices, redshirt and don't look back or start him.

If you go with the redshirt, which I think is probably the smartest, safest move, then I would like to see Banks be starting by conference play. I would bet that either Ertz or Hubener starts the opener and the next few games as we try to bring Banks and Delton along.

While Bazooka Joe is a ways down on my list of preferred starters, I haven't totally given up on him. He has good arm strength and really played pretty well in garbage time last year. The reason that most people have soured on him is his performance in the Spring Game.

Ertz, IMO, isn't really a factor. Don't like him. I would be very disappointed if he is named the starter based on what I've seen.

I guess who you want to be the starter depends on what you think this season holds. If you think that we just chalk this one up as a rebuilding season and win 6-7 games, then I say you roll with Delton/Banks from Day 1. If you think this team could win 9+ and compete for a NY6 bowl game/conference title, then, well I think you have to start Hubener to start with based on his experience and time in the program.

I get what you're saying...but if the team is chalking this one up as a rebuilding year (admitting this as a program would go against more than 1, maybe all, of LHCBS's goals) then can't you argue that you should save the promising QBs for next year when we should have some better offensive talent? If the team is going to have a 6-7 win ceiling this season then why not just play Ertz or Bazooka Joe? I get the argument of getting Delton/Banks experience but that seems to be a waste in the end.

Bottom line: I don't think that this program will accept 6 or 7 wins as a ceiling. I think there's enough talent on this team to surprise people and finish 3-5 in the league and surprise some folks. Start the best guy - probably Delton or Banks - and have some fun getting 8 or 9 wins. Beat the teams they should and find an upset somewhere. :dunno:

This team's floor is 7 wins.   The ceiling is probably 9 if we can get into a bowl game against a losery opponent or if OSU flops this year.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
the "floor is 7 wins" comment is very lol.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Trogdor on July 10, 2015, 12:16:28 PM
This team's floor is 7 wins.   The ceiling is probably 9 if we can get into a bowl game against a losery opponent or if OSU flops this year.

Its rough ridin' 12 wins you doofus 
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 10, 2015, 12:24:57 PM
Title or bust. For God's sake we're K-State. 
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on July 10, 2015, 12:36:32 PM
the "floor is 7 wins" comment is very lol.

I guarantee at least seven wins this season.  And you can take that to the bank, Steve Dave.  :party:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: cas4ksu on July 10, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
the "floor is 7 wins" comment is very lol.

I guarantee at least seven wins this season.  And you can take that to the bank, Steve Dave.  :party:

Please tell me what those 7 wins are.

TIA.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: KITNfury on July 10, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
the "floor is 7 wins" comment is very lol.

I guarantee at least seven wins this season.  And you can take that to the bank, Steve Dave.  :party:
Winning seven doesn't prove that it was our floor, but I still hope ur right
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: cas4ksu on July 10, 2015, 11:18:15 PM
who do you see taking snaps for us cas? with our lack of any even semi-proven talent at the other skill positions I'd like to see a super fast guy back there.

I'd really like to see it go in this order:

1A: Delton
1B: Banks

2: Hubener

3. Ertz

With that being said, it's anybody's guess on what we decide to do with Delton. You have two choices, redshirt and don't look back or start him.

If you go with the redshirt, which I think is probably the smartest, safest move, then I would like to see Banks be starting by conference play. I would bet that either Ertz or Hubener starts the opener and the next few games as we try to bring Banks and Delton along.

While Bazooka Joe is a ways down on my list of preferred starters, I haven't totally given up on him. He has good arm strength and really played pretty well in garbage time last year. The reason that most people have soured on him is his performance in the Spring Game.

Ertz, IMO, isn't really a factor. Don't like him. I would be very disappointed if he is named the starter based on what I've seen.

I guess who you want to be the starter depends on what you think this season holds. If you think that we just chalk this one up as a rebuilding season and win 6-7 games, then I say you roll with Delton/Banks from Day 1. If you think this team could win 9+ and compete for a NY6 bowl game/conference title, then, well I think you have to start Hubener to start with based on his experience and time in the program.

I get what you're saying...but if the team is chalking this one up as a rebuilding year (admitting this as a program would go against more than 1, maybe all, of LHCBS's goals) then can't you argue that you should save the promising QBs for next year when we should have some better offensive talent? If the team is going to have a 6-7 win ceiling this season then why not just play Ertz or Bazooka Joe? I get the argument of getting Delton/Banks experience but that seems to be a waste in the end.

Bottom line: I don't think that this program will accept 6 or 7 wins as a ceiling. I think there's enough talent on this team to surprise people and finish 3-5 in the league and surprise some folks. Start the best guy - probably Delton or Banks - and have some fun getting 8 or 9 wins. Beat the teams they should and find an upset somewhere. :dunno:

I don't think we have anywhere close to having the talent on offense to win 9 or so games. While I don't rule it out as a possibility, I think even the most optimistic CATS fan would be tickled pink if we won 9.

I understand your point about saving Delton/Banks, but I think there is something to be said for getting their feet wet this season and gaining valuable this year and it paying dividends in the next few years.

Also, in regards to your point about starting the best QB, that is ultimately what will happen. Regardless, (or as dlew and I like to say "disirregardlessly") of what fans think/want I trust the staff to choose the best player. However, the only option that I won't be please with is Ertz.

Bottom line: we have 3 QBs that I'm ok with rolling with to start the season. Could be worse when it comes to the amount of options.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: cas4ksu on July 10, 2015, 11:28:02 PM
SIDENOTE:

I don't know if you guys recall, but Ryan Wallace was definitely not all the way on board with the late addition of Banks.

While, you, me and most other Cats fans see the addition of a 4*, HS qualifier, joining the team after only 1 year of JUCO as a positive. Wallace didn't see the logic.

So, while at FattyFest, I spoke with John Kurtz (stud) about Banks because I knew Kurtz really liked the addition. I asserted that Wallace is an idiot for not liking the pickup and I think he more or less agreed.

Most people think Banks was brought in to start right way and while I think that is possible, I think LHOFCBS's vision of Banks is a '13 version of Sams. I was in pro-Waters camp because I thought it better utilized TT and Lockett that year, but with this years sorry crop of WRs, Banks might be just what we need.

IMHO, I think (at the very least) Banks buys a redshirt for Delton, which I think is very valuable.

This upcoming season looks a lot like with 2013 w/ a better defense and a whole lot less talent at the skill postions on offense. 8 wins is the ceiling IMO.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 11, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
How can you not like cas4ksu, great poster
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2015, 03:38:27 PM
Donkmentia.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: treysolid on July 11, 2015, 04:17:53 PM
SIDENOTE:

I don't know if you guys recall, but Ryan Wallace was definitely not all the way on board with the late addition of Banks.

While, you, me and most other Cats fans see the addition of a 4*, HS qualifier, joining the team after only 1 year of JUCO as a positive. Wallace didn't see the logic.

So, while at FattyFest, I spoke with John Kurtz (stud) about Banks because I knew Kurtz really liked the addition. I asserted that Wallace is an idiot for not liking the pickup and I think he more or less agreed.

Most people think Banks was brought in to start right way and while I think that is possible, I think LHOFCBS's vision of Banks is a '13 version of Sams. I was in pro-Waters camp because I thought it better utilized TT and Lockett that year, but with this years sorry crop of WRs, Banks might be just what we need.

IMHO, I think (at the very least) Banks buys a redshirt for Delton, which I think is very valuable.

This upcoming season looks a lot like with 2013 w/ a better defense and a whole lot less talent at the skill postions on offense. 8 wins is the ceiling IMO.

Banks is our late replacement for Aaron Sharp. Turns out Snyder really wanted a QB in that class after all.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: That_Guy on July 11, 2015, 06:52:52 PM
Can't wait for California Love to go all, "Ell Roberson," on opposing Big12 defenses


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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: kstofer on July 11, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
I'd say that QB fits into the "may not be very good" pool of skill position concerns.

Our Offense is basically Gronk and the Donks (Donks is a bad thing word I made up because of its rhymenessness with Gronk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag)
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 11, 2015, 09:32:44 PM
Can't wait for California Love to go all, "Ell Roberson," on opposing Big12 defenses


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I wouldn't go that far but it's going to be fun
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: That_Guy on July 11, 2015, 09:35:28 PM

Can't wait for California Love to go all, "Ell Roberson," on opposing Big12 defenses


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I wouldn't go that far but it's going to be fun

Fun indeed. :cheers:


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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
i agree with the last two studs posting in this thread
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: meow meow on July 12, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 13, 2015, 02:38:54 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
:love:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: GregKSU1027 on July 13, 2015, 03:02:17 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
:love:
#allgasnobrakes

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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 13, 2015, 03:12:18 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
:love:
#allgasnobrakes

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:love:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: GregKSU1027 on July 13, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
:love:
#allgasnobrakes

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:love:
The man said it himself (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F07%2F13%2F053be3e342c7954e6d6c44f1c9d3c263.jpg&hash=c04d30c7c054063b5f40faae79f5001e0cb4bcb1)

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Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Fedor on July 13, 2015, 04:33:31 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
Have concerns with making this stick since he is from Houston, TX.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: star seed 7 on July 13, 2015, 07:53:39 PM
go away fedor
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
Have concerns with making this stick since he is from Houston, TX.

It's already stuck, he loves it
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: GoodForAnother on July 13, 2015, 10:35:46 PM
we're going to win every game and the national championship
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Winters on July 14, 2015, 11:28:04 AM
I made a Cali Love tweet the other night and I'll be damned if ole California Love himself didn't retweet that sob.
Have concerns with making this stick since he is from Houston, TX.

It's already stuck, he loves it
He sure does  :cool:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Trogdor on July 14, 2015, 01:58:19 PM
we're going to win every game and the national championship

 :emawkid:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: slobber on July 15, 2015, 08:01:59 AM

we're going to win every game and the national championship

 :emawkid:
See below.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: RB/WR
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2015, 08:45:47 AM
Hopefully Tom Hayes is putting away those Chicken Tender dreams and coaching up the D,  because the offense is going to stink.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: UCHADBRO on July 15, 2015, 10:05:24 AM
Don't be surprised if the defense stinks too. It might be a bad bad year.
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: Gooch on July 15, 2015, 10:53:01 AM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2015, 10:53:57 AM
Don't be surprised if the defense stinks too. It might be a bad bad year.
Take it back!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: UCHADBRO on July 15, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Coaching staff is not very pleased with the defense right now. (Performance, effort, and attitude).
Don't be surprised if the defense stinks too. It might be a bad bad year.
Take it back!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: RB/WR
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2015, 03:08:31 PM
 :cry: Probably because they're letting our garbage offense move on them.