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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Jeffy on April 21, 2010, 07:54:53 AM
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http://www.kpho.com/news/23202195/detail.html
Add that to them wanting to make it illegal to be in the country illegally....
They may be on to something! :fatty:
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Phoenix Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema said the bill is one of several measures that are making Arizona "the laughing stock of the nation."
Pretty much. Although I can see Kansas doing the same thing. :facepalm:
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One of the bills she is refering to is the illegals bill. Call me silly, but AZ is simply reaffirming the federal law which isn't being enforced.
And KS can't pass anything like this until nutroots are out of the governor's mansion.
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http://www.kpho.com/news/23202195/detail.html
Add that to them wanting to make it illegal to be in the country illegally....
They may be on to something! :fatty:
That's pretty funny (BC part).
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Is Obama going to win any state willing to do this in the first place?
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Voter obstruction!!!
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:bitchslap:
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Racist.
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"IT'S NOT REAL!!11"
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Not that I don't think he was really born in the U.S., but I seriously doubt they were using the terms "Caucasian" and "African" in the sixties. Also, I don't think microsoft word was available back then. . .
Of course if this was supposed to be funny, then the jokes on me
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The SOB was born in August. :cry:
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Other well known frauds
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a 50 star flag? Ha, I seriously doubt there were 50 states in the 1960's
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Jeffy, like the pic of Mohammad in your sig
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Voter obstruction!!!
You obviously are referring to the "making illegal aliens illegal" bill, since those people are future Obama voters.
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Voter obstruction!!!
You obviously are referring to the "making illegal aliens illegal" bill, since those people are future Obama voters.
Actually not a bad bill. Don't really disagree w/ any of it. Create jobs!
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LOL, it has to be fake. Who names a girl Stanley?! :lol:
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How novel, a state actually attempting to (*gasp*) enforce the provisions of this nation's Constitution?!? :eek:
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birthers, lol
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birthers, lol
exactly, lol.
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I still don't get it. Is this supposed to be a joke, or do people think it's BO's real BC? :dunno:
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The ironic thing about all of this is that the former Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, was born in Panama.
:lol:
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The ironic thing about all of this is that the former Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, was born in Panama.
:lol:
To 2 American parents. And McCain actually presented his birth certificate for verification.
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The ironic thing about all of this is that the former Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, was born in Panama.
:lol:
True, but he produced his original birth certificate, was born of 2 US citizens on a US military base in the Panama Canal Zone (US Territory). You can view all of his past records of any type, like school, military, health, etc. Not really any doubt about any of his past.
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The ironic thing about all of this is that the former Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, was born in Panama.
:lol:
How is that "ironic"?
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^sad
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
REPUBLICANS HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
REPUBLICANS HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!
I would agree, given the way they handled Hurricane Katrina, and the fact that they've tried to label Obama everything but a "n****r."
:dunno:
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
REPUBLICANS HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!
I would agree, given the way they handled Hurricane Katrina, and the fact that they've tried to label Obama everything but a "n****r."
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you really are the dumbest of the dumb. Once again, facts mean absolutely nothing. And as for Katrina, the first responsibility is in the states hands, and then federal... guess who eff'd up?
oh yeah, GWB gave more money to the continent of Africa than any other president, prime minister, etc. You... :flush:
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
I don't think you know what "ironic" means.
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
Did you miss the part about it being on US Territory?
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
Did you miss the part about it being on US Territory?
Last time I checked, Hawaii was part of the United States as well.
:dunno:
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
REPUBLICANS HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!
Did you hear the way those liberals were heckling him the other day during a speech? LIBERALS HATE BLACK PEOPLE TOO!!!!!
I would agree, given the way they handled Hurricane Katrina, and the fact that they've tried to label Obama everything but a "n****r."
:dunno:
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
Did you miss the part about it being on US Territory?
Last time I checked, Hawaii was part of the United States as well.
:dunno:
Where have I disputed Hawaii was a part of the US?
:dunno:
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Yeah... the guy was born in f*cking Panama, not the United States. Republicans are just pissed that a black man is in the White House. That's what all of this is really about.
Did you miss the part about it being on US Territory?
Last time I checked, Hawaii was part of the United States as well.
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That is not in question. The question is where he was born. He could answer that if he wanted, and it seems he doesn't want to, for whatever reason.
A long form birth certificate with the hospital, attending physician, etc., is what he should produce. If the state says there is one, then why wouldn't he get a copy out to the press and put an end to all of the doubt? If he were applying for a federal job that required security clearance, he would have to produce it or not be hired. It seems that applying to be POTUS should have at least that level of vetting, don't you think? :dunno:
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Dear goEMAW.com resident birthers:
Honest question: do you think that a guy born in Africa could somehow "slip through the cracks" and become president without someone from the government, the GOP, or the thousands of GOP-related organizations finding "the truth?"
Because, really, you sound like complete tards. 99% of the country (including most of your political party) are laughing at you. :dunno:
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^ THIS.
Birthers are retards. I suppose they would be happier with McCain/Palin in the White house?? :lol:
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Political parties don't even matter in things like this....crazies are crazies, ya know?
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Dear goEMAW.com resident birthers:
Honest question: do you think that a guy born in Africa could somehow "slip through the cracks" and become president without someone from the government, the GOP, or the thousands of GOP-related organizations finding "the truth?"
Because, really, you sound like complete tards. 99% of the country (including most of your political party) are laughing at you. :dunno:
What is a birther?
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Dear goEMAW.com resident birthers:
Honest question: do you think that a guy born in Africa could somehow "slip through the cracks" and become president without someone from the government, the GOP, or the thousands of GOP-related organizations finding "the truth?"
Because, really, you sound like complete tards. 99% of the country (including most of your political party) are laughing at you. :dunno:
What is a birther?
That is not in question. The question is where he was born. He could answer that if he wanted, and it seems he doesn't want to, for whatever reason.
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
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Dear goEMAW.com resident birthers:
Honest question: do you think that a guy born in Africa could somehow "slip through the cracks" and become president without someone from the government, the GOP, or the thousands of GOP-related organizations finding "the truth?"
Because, really, you sound like complete tards. 99% of the country (including most of your political party) are laughing at you. :dunno:
What is a birther?
That is not in question. The question is where he was born. He could answer that if he wanted, and it seems he doesn't want to, for whatever reason.
Oh, I thought they would be called "truthers". :dunno:
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Lol, hope Mjrod has his papers ready.
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
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awhat is interesting about this is the 2000 census had the Hispanic population at 25.5% in Arizona, and I would guess that number would be at least 30% in 2010. There must be a whole lot of racist Hispanics in AZ. :opcat:
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
Not all illegal aliens are hispanics and not all hispanics are illegal aliens.
Beems really got wrecked in this thread. poor dude.
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awhat is interesting about this is the 2000 census had the Hispanic population at 25.5% in Arizona, and I would guess that number would be at least 30% in 2010. There must be a whole lot of racist Hispanics in AZ. :opcat:
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This is a hilarious thread. I still want Birthers to point to the provision in the Constitution that requires a President be born on US soil. Of course he was born in Hawaii, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Speaking of which, how do you feel about all those wetbacks crossing the border in Arizona and having kids here in the States just so they can be citizens and get their free Obamacare? Seems like a loophole in the law that needs to be closed.
Now if you want to train to be an Arizona law enforcement officer, you can just learn to say PAPERS PLEASE!
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There must be a whole lot of racist Hispanics in AZ. :opcat:
:eek:
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This is one of the most idiotic threads I've ever read. The topic should be funny for this reason
1. IMO, BO won't show his BC because he wants to make "birthers" look crazy (as if they needed much help).
2. BO never expected anyone to call him on this.
3. Arizona decided to slide this into an illegal immigration bill they knew would get a lot of publicity, effectively calling out BO. Arizona has brass balls and the provision is certainly constitutional.
4. Now BO has to show his BC (unless he's conceding AZ) and looks like the jackass he knew he was trying to be in step 1.
It was funny when he wouldn't reveal it, and its funny that know he's going to have to. Both political factions should be laughing.
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There must be a whole lot of racist Hispanics in AZ. :opcat:
:eek:
Don't you know you are a racist if you are not in favor of illegal immigration? There are obviously many Hispanic citizens in AZ that are in favor of this bill.
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
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That's not relevant to my point. Karl Rove doesn't care if this law was popular or unpopular in the general population in Arizona.
It's insulting to Latinos, and they are by far the fastest growing demographic group in the country. That's why Rove wanted the Republicans to court them, not to piss them off.
A party purged of everyone but conservative white men is not a party with a bright future.
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Who would of thought a state full of tea baggers could be so socialist? :runaway:
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
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That's not relevant to my point. Karl Rove doesn't care if this law was popular or unpopular in the general population in Arizona.
It's insulting to Latinos, and they are by far the fastest growing demographic group in the country. That's why Rove wanted the Republicans to court them, not to piss them off.
A party purged of everyone but conservative white men is not a party with a bright future.
I don't understand this mentality. It's like saying "arresting child molesters is insulting to priests".
A large number of Latinos are dead set against illegal immigration.
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
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That's not relevant to my point. Karl Rove doesn't care if this law was popular or unpopular in the general population in Arizona.
It's insulting to Latinos, and they are by far the fastest growing demographic group in the country. That's why Rove wanted the Republicans to court them, not to piss them off.
A party purged of everyone but conservative white men is not a party with a bright future.
I don't understand this mentality. It's like saying "arresting child molesters is insulting to priests".
A large number of Latinos are dead set against illegal immigration.
And a large number of Priests are dead set against molesting children. But that doesn't mean that every priest (or person that looks like a priest) wants to be stopped by the authorities in public and asked if they've ever molested children in their lifetime.
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Arizona (illegal alien) bill signed into law. And Karl Rove = :facepalm:
The Republicans are successfully delivering the fastest growing voting bloc in the country to the Democrats. Good for them, I guess.
Yes, how dare Arizona politicans run roughshod over the 23% of voters who actually oppose the new law. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration)
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That's not relevant to my point. Karl Rove doesn't care if this law was popular or unpopular in the general population in Arizona.
It's insulting to Latinos, and they are by far the fastest growing demographic group in the country. That's why Rove wanted the Republicans to court them, not to piss them off.
A party purged of everyone but conservative white men is not a party with a bright future.
I don't understand this mentality. It's like saying "arresting child molesters is insulting to priests".
A large number of Latinos are dead set against illegal immigration.
And a large number of Priests are dead set against molesting children. But that doesn't mean that every priest (or person that looks like a priest) wants to be stopped by the authorities in public and asked if they've ever molested children in their lifetime.
That was my point.
The rest is a liberal talking point that has nothing to do with the bill.
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This is a hilarious thread. I still want Birthers to point to the provision in the Constitution that requires a President be born on US soil. Of course he was born in Hawaii, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Speaking of which, how do you feel about all those wetbacks crossing the border in Arizona and having kids here in the States just so they can be citizens and get their free Obamacare? Seems like a loophole in the law that needs to be closed.
Now if you want to train to be an Arizona law enforcement officer, you can just learn to say PAPERS PLEASE!
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Not a birther, but know your constitution dude.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1
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Safe to say there are a lot of Kobach voters in this thread? Considering the Phil Kline love, can't say I'm too surprised... :facepalm:
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I don't give two shits about this...but a facebook friend of mine posted this...
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^^^Not on the correct type of paper, nobama was clearly born in PAHK-i-STAHN
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Safe to say there are a lot of Kobach voters in this thread? Considering the Phil Kline love, can't say I'm too surprised... :facepalm:
Why do you hate the Constitution?
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Lol, hope Mjrod has his papers ready.
Heh.
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I don't give two shits about this...but a facebook friend of mine posted this...
At least this one looks/is real
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Safe to say there are a lot of Kobach voters in this thread? Considering the Phil Kline love, can't say I'm too surprised... :facepalm:
Why do you hate the Constitution?
Does the Bill of Rights count?
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Safe to say there are a lot of Kobach voters in this thread? Considering the Phil Kline love, can't say I'm too surprised... :facepalm:
Why do you hate the Constitution?
Does the Bill of Rights count?
It's ok to hate some of the additional amendments.
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Safe to say there are a lot of Kobach voters in this thread? Considering the Phil Kline love, can't say I'm too surprised... :facepalm:
Why do you hate the Constitution?
Does the Bill of Rights count?
It's ok to hate some of the additional amendments.
lol
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Safe to say there are a lot of Kobach voters in this thread? Considering the Phil Kline love, can't say I'm too surprised... :facepalm:
Why do you hate the Constitution?
Does the Bill of Rights count?
It's ok to hate some of the additional amendments.
lol
Or are you still in favor of prohibition?
I really like the one about making women suffer.
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There must be a whole lot of racist Hispanics in AZ. :opcat:
Apparently so. (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/27/rasmussen-majority-of-latinos-in-arizona-support-letting-cops-check-for-immigration-status/) (And poof goes the last lefty talking point / political straw at which to grasp on this issue). :users:
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There must be a whole lot of racist Hispanics in AZ. :opcat:
Apparently so. (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/27/rasmussen-majority-of-latinos-in-arizona-support-letting-cops-check-for-immigration-status/) (And poof goes the last lefty talking point / political straw at which to grasp on this issue). :users:
lol @ black people opposing it more than the "other race" section. :lol:
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
The whole argument for/against it is a waste of time, because the supreme court will rule it unconstitutional. Easy case, really.
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Love racial profiling. Great way to catch criminals.
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
The whole argument for/against it is a waste of time, because the supreme court will rule it unconstitutional. Easy case, really.
Which part of the Act calls for racial profiling? Not to mention "illegal alien" isn't a race. I think you're going to need years of data supporting this assertion before it can overturn an entire legislative act.
Test question: which constitutional amendment has been interpreted to prohibit racial profiling?
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
The whole argument for/against it is a waste of time, because the supreme court will rule it unconstitutional. Easy case, really.
Which part of the Act calls for racial profiling? Not to mention "illegal alien" isn't a race. I think you're going to need years of data supporting this assertion before it can overturn an entire legislative act.
Test question: which constitutional amendment has been interpreted to prohibit racial profiling?
Unreasonable search and seizure, due process. Research these.
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
The whole argument for/against it is a waste of time, because the supreme court will rule it unconstitutional. Easy case, really.
Which part of the Act calls for racial profiling? Not to mention "illegal alien" isn't a race. I think you're going to need years of data supporting this assertion before it can overturn an entire legislative act.
Test question: which constitutional amendment has been interpreted to prohibit racial profiling?
Unreasonable search and seizure, due process. Research these.
First of all this is wrong.
Second of all, It's a test question, I know the answer I don't need to do the research. You do. Hint: scour your pocket constitution for "equal protection"
P.S. due process is in several amendments
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Kinda odd that AZ had a bevy of Constitutional Attorneys studying and working on the wording of the law, but yet it's deemed to be unconstitutional by people that haven't read it.
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Kinda odd that AZ had a bevy of Constitutional Attorneys studying and working on the wording of the law, but yet it's deemed to be unconstitutional by people that haven't read it.
I'm a little surprised that the resident Constitutional experts couldn't answer the test question. :users:
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
So you are putting forth a slippery slope argument? 'Will turn into'?
:facepalm:
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
So you are putting forth a slippery slope argument? 'Will turn into'?
:facepalm:
Have you seen the Illinois study on dwb? It raises some pretty tough questions for advocates of expanding the intrusiveness of searches based on "probable cause."
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Question:
What part of the constitution (Amendments included) does this law violate?
The way I understand it: 1) person gets stopped for doing something suspicious, 2) during the stop person acts suspicious and doesn't have identification, 3) cops report person to some illegal immigrant hotline thingy, 4) the hotline people take the ball from there.
How is this different than when you get a speeding ticket and they check you for warrants? Just curious why so many people are opposed to this? Pure partisan politics I assume.
Racial profiling. "doing something suspicious" will turn into "that mexican didn't use a blinker, pull his ass over and check for id."
So you are putting forth a slippery slope argument? 'Will turn into'?
:facepalm:
Have you seen the Illinois study on dwb? It raises some pretty tough questions for advocates of expanding the intrusiveness of searches based on "probable cause."
This bill works towards solving a festering problem that isn't being brought to attention equal to its level of urgency. Its desperation. But its not a terrible bill.
Are we supposed to put forth bills predicated on the assumption that most of our police force will break the law or are outright racists? Does that sound wise to you?
Also, in regards to Driving While Black:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_national_rev-reporting.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Are-Cops-Racist-Heather-MacDonald/dp/156663489X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&sr=1-1
And just as an amusing aside, I think it was Bookcat that posted that Prince did much the same thing to a cop that pulled him over near the end of his career at Ksu. He was black, cop was white, must be racism so the accusation is made.