He is calling his shot, we will be better. I sure hope he can deliver.
i actually am surprised he sounded so optimistic for next year. i was sure he would downplay expectations so that he would essentially have nothing to lose.
i actually am surprised he sounded so optimistic for next year. i was sure he would downplay expectations so that he would essentially have nothing to lose.
You save the exbruces for once the season starts. Play up the new players during the offseason and meet and greets with the fans to avoid questioning, then lay it on thick once the season starts. "Well, they just didn't gel....too many new guys getting used to the college game....so much immaturity"
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/609080311629029376
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/609080311629029376
we havent even lost a single game next year yet
KK should rename the Peggy Pos etc to the ICYMI's
The fans who stay home aren't doing it to get back at the players. They're doing it because they don't support the coach.
Frank said stuff like that when he was here.The fans who stay home aren't doing it to get back at the players. They're doing it because they don't support the coach.
I think oscar realizes that. Do other coaches say crap like that about their fans? I don't recall seeing it and I think that just makes him look like more of a piece of crap, if that's possible.
Frank won a tournament game.Frank said stuff like that when he was here.The fans who stay home aren't doing it to get back at the players. They're doing it because they don't support the coach.
I think oscar realizes that. Do other coaches say crap like that about their fans? I don't recall seeing it and I think that just makes him look like more of a piece of crap, if that's possible.
I know, which is why I loved him. My post was in response to Life and in the context of his post.Frank won a tournament game.Frank said stuff like that when he was here.The fans who stay home aren't doing it to get back at the players. They're doing it because they don't support the coach.
I think oscar realizes that. Do other coaches say crap like that about their fans? I don't recall seeing it and I think that just makes him look like more of a piece of crap, if that's possible.
http://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/690952122586664960
If we are 2-8 in the conf going into that Wed night game vs Baylor, don't be surprised if attendance is lacking.
He would have preferred they not get 2 technical fouls. That really screwed us.
you can't win at WVU, what are you crazy?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/692192504272281604
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He would have preferred they not get 2 technical fouls. That really screwed us.
you can't win at WVU, what are you crazy?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/692192504272281604
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it's this kind of crap that I just can't take.
“I think it’s always ironic, you get two technicals and we go 1-for-4 from the line,” Kansas State coach oscar Weber said. “I think if you go study the next foul calls, I think it changed a lot. But that’s basketball and they’re a good team. He’s got them playing hard and they’ve got a lot of confidence and play well.”--http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/holton-leads-no-9-west-virginia-over-kansas-state-70-55 (http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/holton-leads-no-9-west-virginia-over-kansas-state-70-55)
Its also amazing that the writers/hacks that cover KSU sports aren't good enough to challenge these statements from oscar. They just lap it up and regurgitate it back without any actual investigation or checking on their own. Why even have them in the first place? Just hire a stenographer to copy and paste if you can't bother to do any analysis.you can't win at WVU, what are you crazy?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/692192504272281604
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it's this kind of crap that I just can't take.
Yes, its this. I mean, oscar doesn't can't even come across as remotely likable most of the time.
But he's going to be a coach for at least 5 more years.
Kansas State’s basketball coach is starting to sound like a man with a million excuses. Here are some he has used this season:
The nonconference schedule was too hard, playing Long Beach State on the road was a mistake, the Maui Invitational was too taxing, the basketball gods aligned themselves behind Texas Southern, the officials were bad and K-State players had poor body language. In past years, he has also complained about the Big 12’s schedule.
He hasn’t pointed the finger much at himself, at least publicly, but he did take blame for the Texas Tech loss last week.
“I haven’t done a good enough job as I should,” Weber said, “and that is why we are in the predicament we are in.”
Fans always prefer a coach that blames himself instead of players (he coaches them, after all) and outside factors (he can adapt to them as coach, after all). LHC Bill Snyder is a master at taking blame after losses and vowing to make things right. Weber hasn’t done much of that this season. It’s hard to say what players think of that, or if they even read his comments in the media.
But this Weber comment struck me after the West Virginia loss: “We finally got over the hump and took the lead. I was just hoping and praying that some good things would happen.”
That statement does not show much confidence, and it seemed to rub off on players.
Here is what Nigel Johnson said about the final minutes against West Virginia: “We fought hard. I guess that is all we could do. I wish we could have pulled it out. It’s whoever gets lucky, I guess.”
Every day when i show up at work, i hope an pray that my work gets done well and everything works right. Some days i get over the hump and produce a good product, other days days i don't get lucky. What-are-you-gonna-do-right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDV2_HT-eA8
"They make you play basketball."
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"They make you play basketball."
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"They make you play basketball."
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Why does K-State let him talk? Most standard coach contracts mandate extra media things like tv and radio shows, and the purpose is schools want those things to market the program. But K-State's coach does more harm than good. Then of course there's probably league/ncaa-mandated media sessions, but K-State could order him to shut up.
No more intro statements at pressers or calls - he could do a Rasheed-esque "both teams played hard" for that - and then dictate that he do nothing but Popovich-style answers/disdain for all questions and not say a single thing of substance. Or have him be sick every time and run Chet out there.
All of the above makes the leap that K-State would hire Illinois' discarded trash who also happens to have some of the worst social skills in college basketball coaching, and then let him do his thing for years unchecked.
How about this? Remember when all our guys would get their knees and stuff butcher'd by some local doc? KSU sends oscar to that same guy for a touch-up on his vocal chord thing and he wakes up naturally muted.
The attendance numbers concur that most fans are fairly content right now.
The attendance numbers concur that most fans are fairly content right now.
Yup. There have been more people at the past 4 or 5 games than I can recall at any game last year except KU.
How about this? Remember when all our guys would get their knees and stuff butcher'd by some local doc? KSU sends oscar to that same guy for a touch-up on his vocal chord thing and he wakes up naturally muted.I believe that doctor killed himself.
YesHow about this? Remember when all our guys would get their knees and stuff butcher'd by some local doc? KSU sends oscar to that same guy for a touch-up on his vocal chord thing and he wakes up naturally muted.I believe that doctor killed himself.
How about this? Remember when all our guys would get their knees and stuff butcher'd by some local doc? KSU sends oscar to that same guy for a touch-up on his vocal chord thing and he wakes up naturally muted.
Can you even imagine going to a MBB game this year and clapping and cheering and stuff? It would be so weird.
Can you even imagine going to a MBB game this year and clapping and cheering and stuff? It would be so weird.I do that every game. And when we play well, I do that the entire game.
It's very weird _FAN, I've never experienced it before. But I've watched maybe 10 min of K-State basketball this year. Not even really because I'm mad at the situation, I just don't ever think about it. One time I started watching a game on TV, and during the first commercial I switched to something else and forgot I was watching the game and never changed it back.
It's very weird _FAN, I've never experienced it before. But I've watched maybe 10 min of K-State basketball this year. Not even really because I'm mad at the situation, I just don't ever think about it. One time I started watching a game on TV, and during the first commercial I switched to something else and forgot I was watching the game and never changed it back.
How about this? Remember when all our guys would get their knees and stuff butcher'd by some local doc? KSU sends oscar to that same guy for a touch-up on his vocal chord thing and he wakes up naturally muted.I believe that doctor killed himself.
Sounds like we are the dumbasses
they have a realistic path to be 2-8 and top 30 kenpom!
Who is the orthopedist that you are referring to? PM if you don't want to name him on the blog. Just curious from my time in Manhattan.Rhymes with "thinkin"
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It's very weird _FAN, I've never experienced it before. But I've watched maybe 10 min of K-State basketball this year. Not even really because I'm mad at the situation, I just don't ever think about it. One time I started watching a game on TV, and during the first commercial I switched to something else and forgot I was watching the game and never changed it back.
Pretty accurately describes my watching experience this year. I read while my wife watches the games.
I kind of agree with him. Other than the Kentucky game I don't remember hearing much about any of the games with the exception of the ISU/A&M game. ESPN did a good job of publicizing those two and left the rest out. I'm not an attention seeker, especially when it comes to the KSU basketball team, but all the Big12 was ignored this weekend until after the last game when the conference was declared the "winner."
Just my opinion, I don’t think we got the bang for the buck. To have a game in the middle of all our conference games, I didn’t think we got as much publicity as I would have hoped. I understand we’re in the bottom half of the league but from what we were told two years ago that we would get great publicity … I watched four of our Big 12 games and I didn’t see any highlights of our game. They always put the graphic up that we won and who is the leading scorer and all that stuff but we finished our game and I saw parts of a lot of different games so maybe there was little more publicity, but if we’re going to give up a bye game during the league and put a 19th league game in basically in the middle of the season, I hope we could get more bang for the buck. Obviously, Kansas-Kentucky got a lot of attention and the Oklahoma game got a lot of attention – and rightfully so because they are the top teams in the country – but from my point of view and our team’s point of view I think we could have gotten a little more attention and a little more publicity out of it.
We heard way more about it than the old Big 12/Pac 10 challenge
are there any other coaches that say crap like that?
I think this was genius by John Smallwood and ESPN to put this together on Jan 31. It's amazing the stage we had all day long. there were other big games that got ignored.
Our guys were excited leading up to it. Timing was great. Weekend where it was promoted hard.
I can't reiterate it enough, for 3rd year in row the Big 12 is the No. 1 RPI league and we validated it in the SEC challenge.
We heard way more about it than the old Big 12/Pac 10 challenge
The pac12 challenge didn't occur in the middle of conference season, iirc.
The "no byes during the conference schedule" concern seems like an easy fix - start conference play a week earlier. The Big Ten, ACC, AAC, and Big East all had conference games in December.
I loved having this game in late January and hope ESPN keeps it there.
We heard way more about it than the old Big 12/Pac 10 challenge
The pac12 challenge didn't occur in the middle of conference season, iirc.
yeah no crap
but if oscar doesn't talk, how will the fans know to not expect too much? conundrum city, usa.Or how would the players Know to "MOVE"
The "no byes during the conference schedule" concern seems like an easy fix - start conference play a week earlier. The Big Ten, ACC, AAC, and Big East all had conference games in December.
I loved having this game in late January and hope ESPN keeps it there.
They most certainly will. ESPN and the Big 12 seem thrilled. Even the SEC seems fine with it even though this seems like a mismatch. One stupid shitbird voicing dissent.
Does anyone ever call Oscar out on this crap?
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no one wants to have that long awkward convo
Does anyone ever call Oscar out on this crap?
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
no one wants to have that long awkward convo
The most awkward thing about it is when they go to type up his quote. "Is there a period there? Hmmm, maybe there? There? crap."
The "no byes during the conference schedule" concern seems like an easy fix - start conference play a week earlier. The Big Ten, ACC, AAC, and Big East all had conference games in December.
I loved having this game in late January and hope ESPN keeps it there.
They most certainly will. ESPN and the Big 12 seem thrilled. Even the SEC seems fine with it even though this seems like a mismatch. One stupid shitbird voicing dissent.
Agreed. They should do what they used to do with Bracket Busters and not create the matchups until a few weeks before the games. Designate 5 home and 5 road teams from each conference, and then create the best games with what is available.
Not much would have changed this year, but if they are going to keep this going it's something to consider.
The "no byes during the conference schedule" concern seems like an easy fix - start conference play a week earlier. The Big Ten, ACC, AAC, and Big East all had conference games in December.
I loved having this game in late January and hope ESPN keeps it there.
They most certainly will. ESPN and the Big 12 seem thrilled. Even the SEC seems fine with it even though this seems like a mismatch. One stupid shitbird voicing dissent.
Agreed. They should do what they used to do with Bracket Busters and not create the matchups until a few weeks before the games. Designate 5 home and 5 road teams from each conference, and then create the best games with what is available.
Not much would have changed this year, but if they are going to keep this going it's something to consider.
Have only the top 6 from each conference play. The wednesday schools can have their cherished bye week.
“I told out guys, we just have to play hard and compete and good things will happen,” said K-State head coach oscar Weber about tonight’s game in Lawrence. “We have to try and not do too much, play simple basketball and play strong, and if we can play strong, compete, do the things we do and defend, then we’ll compete with them.”
“There haven’t been many teams that have been successful there except for Kansas,” said Weber. “Kansas plays at a high level, and, obviously, they have a great crowd there; it’s loud. I think they feed off of being there – everyone plays better at home but it seems like they take it to another level. The beginning will be important; we can’t turn it over in the beginning of the game and can’t let them get easy baskets. We have to make them earn some things and survive their runs.”
MANHATTAN, KAN.
oscar Weber has coached college basketball in some form since 1979 without a year off, but he can’t remember the last time he was down three scholarship players.
“To be honest, I don’t know if any of our teams have been through this,” Weber, the Kansas State coach, said Friday. “Our walk-ons have saved us. We are fortunate our guys have kept battling.”
First came the loss of freshman forward Bullnuts, who was ruled academically ineligible before the season. Then xWhomper, another freshman forward, couldn’t stay healthy and decided to redshirt. Now starting point guard Deathbite is sidelined indefinitely as he recovers from knee surgery.
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Weber refuses to point to the roster casualties as an excuse.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article58731863.html#storylink=cpy
oscar Weber: "To beat a team that good, you have to have someone play special. Wesley was really, really special."
The schedule makers didn't do us any favors
@coachweber I had to not start dean to get him to shoot and play hard
Just five minutes of bad basketball guys, if it weren't for those five minutes...It was basically five minutes of bad basketball to start today's game. Glad they could regroup and get it figured out today before they found themselves behind by double figures.
Kris Pippin Seriously? We are a talented, young team. OU was a demonstration of our potential. After having to weed out some bad apples, how else would you expect this year to go with how young we are?
Joshua Evers You're right. Most coaches would take the youngest roster in college basketball and go to the Final Four... Please.
Weber had a bad year last year. No doubt. But he's building something this year. You don't come back from last season's mess any better than he has this year. What more could you possibly expect this season? I'm excited about where we're going. If we have another bad year next year, that will be a problem. But I don't think that's going to happen.
I hope you get a little more favor and understanding from your bosses than you're giving here. And before you say it - it has nothing to do with blind loyalty and everything to do with knowing the path to success. There will be setbacks along the way. Be patient. Don't fire a guy because he had some kids quit on him last season. Give this roster a chance.
Aaron Thomas Neely Just remember that one more win ties last year and we have plenty more winnable games. Overall, this team is getting better. 18 or 19 wins is not out of the question
Michael Jack Dellefate Team played hard!!!some are fans worthless!!! We dont have are point guard!!! The refs call the game like baylor the home team!!we just dont have the players yet!!but im proud of our guys emaw
Joshua Evers How many conference championships did Frank win? How many recruits did he run off? How many times did he lose to KU? Did you really feel like he was taking this team in a good direction after the Syracuse loss?
I liked Frank a lot. But he had plenty of weaknesses. I don't think we'd be that much better if he were here right now.
Joshua Evers Sorry. oscar "has" this program pointed in a good direction.
Nick Ewing Brad, where were you on Sat night? Didn't see you on here complaining then. This program has had an identity of good defense since Weber was hired. Tonight was one of the few exceptions, however. You want Underwood? Is that the same guy who lost to Tulane this year & lost to Baylor by....42! Didn't he also win his first couple years with another coach's players?
Every commentator & analyst have said that the future is bright for KSU basketball; the only people who don't realize it are fans like yourself who have never given Weber a chance due to your mancrush of Martin. The program digressed for 1 season. That's it!
Did Weber exceed expectations by winning the Big 12 his first season?....yes. Did Weber exceed expectations the next year by making the NCAA tourney after losing McGruder, Henriquez, Irving, & Angel?...yes. Then last year, the program had a setback & Weber ran them off and replaced them with better players (except for Foster when his head is on straight). This year, they are on pace to have a better record than last which is improvement. So saying that the program has gotten worse each year is not fair or true.
Saying that Weber can't recruit is a slap in the face to DJamer, Westicles, Deathbite, The Flush, and Claws. The 3 freshmen this year have had some growing pains, but they are a foundation for future success. And do you not know that a 4-star is coming in next year?
Jeff Reinert Beat KU! Fair weather fans...stay home.
Post-game comments from the K-State Sports facebook pageQuoteKris Pippin Seriously? We are a talented, young team. OU was a demonstration of our potential. After having to weed out some bad apples, how else would you expect this year to go with how young we are?QuoteJoshua Evers You're right. Most coaches would take the youngest roster in college basketball and go to the Final Four... Please.
Weber had a bad year last year. No doubt. But he's building something this year. You don't come back from last season's mess any better than he has this year. What more could you possibly expect this season? I'm excited about where we're going. If we have another bad year next year, that will be a problem. But I don't think that's going to happen.
I hope you get a little more favor and understanding from your bosses than you're giving here. And before you say it - it has nothing to do with blind loyalty and everything to do with knowing the path to success. There will be setbacks along the way. Be patient. Don't fire a guy because he had some kids quit on him last season. Give this roster a chance.QuoteAaron Thomas Neely Just remember that one more win ties last year and we have plenty more winnable games. Overall, this team is getting better. 18 or 19 wins is not out of the questionQuoteMichael Jack Dellefate Team played hard!!!some are fans worthless!!! We dont have are point guard!!! The refs call the game like baylor the home team!!we just dont have the players yet!!but im proud of our guys emawQuoteJoshua Evers How many conference championships did Frank win? How many recruits did he run off? How many times did he lose to KU? Did you really feel like he was taking this team in a good direction after the Syracuse loss?
I liked Frank a lot. But he had plenty of weaknesses. I don't think we'd be that much better if he were here right now.QuoteJoshua Evers Sorry. oscar "has" this program pointed in a good direction.QuoteNick Ewing Brad, where were you on Sat night? Didn't see you on here complaining then. This program has had an identity of good defense since Weber was hired. Tonight was one of the few exceptions, however. You want Underwood? Is that the same guy who lost to Tulane this year & lost to Baylor by....42! Didn't he also win his first couple years with another coach's players?
Every commentator & analyst have said that the future is bright for KSU basketball; the only people who don't realize it are fans like yourself who have never given Weber a chance due to your mancrush of Martin. The program digressed for 1 season. That's it!
Did Weber exceed expectations by winning the Big 12 his first season?....yes. Did Weber exceed expectations the next year by making the NCAA tourney after losing McGruder, Henriquez, Irving, & Angel?...yes. Then last year, the program had a setback & Weber ran them off and replaced them with better players (except for Foster when his head is on straight). This year, they are on pace to have a better record than last which is improvement. So saying that the program has gotten worse each year is not fair or true.
Saying that Weber can't recruit is a slap in the face to DJamer, Westicles, Deathbite, The Flush, and Claws. The 3 freshmen this year have had some growing pains, but they are a foundation for future success. And do you not know that a 4-star is coming in next year?QuoteJeff Reinert Beat KU! Fair weather fans...stay home.
MANHATTAN, KAN.
Even in the relatively immediate aftermath of Kansas State toppling then-No. 1 Oklahoma on Saturday, coach oscar Weber apparently simply couldn’t please, or even appease, some people.
That’s why if you tried to get on the Internet on Wednesday at Bramlage Coliseum, one of the network options was, in fact, a profanity attached to his name.
Another was called “Fire oscar.”
This is the work of a few, or perhaps but one, detractor. And both the volume and scope of those complaining about Weber to the K-State administration has ebbed notably this season.
KSU doesn't want me as a fan. They are telling me over and over.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html)password: fuckcurrieQuoteMANHATTAN, KAN.
Even in the relatively immediate aftermath of Kansas State toppling then-No. 1 Oklahoma on Saturday, coach oscar Weber apparently simply couldn’t please, or even appease, some people.
That’s why if you tried to get on the Internet on Wednesday at Bramlage Coliseum, one of the network options was, in fact, a profanity attached to his name.
Another was called “Fire oscar.”
This is the work of a few, or perhaps but one, detractor. And both the volume and scope of those complaining about Weber to the K-State administration has ebbed notably this season.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html)
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html)
Gregorian banging the slth drum pretty hard in support of weber and kstate as a great fit.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html)
Gregorian banging the slth drum pretty hard in support of weber and kstate as a great fit.
in his defense, it's pretty well known that gregorian is 100% confirmed dumbass
the song that replaced sandstone is complete dogbarf
And at 3:55.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html)password: fuckcurrieQuoteMANHATTAN, KAN.
Even in the relatively immediate aftermath of Kansas State toppling then-No. 1 Oklahoma on Saturday, coach oscar Weber apparently simply couldn’t please, or even appease, some people.
That’s why if you tried to get on the Internet on Wednesday at Bramlage Coliseum, one of the network options was, in fact, a profanity attached to his name.
Another was called “Fire oscar.”
This is the work of a few, or perhaps but one, detractor. And both the volume and scope of those complaining about Weber to the K-State administration has ebbed notably this season.
fwiw
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article59710166.html)password: fuckcurrieQuoteMANHATTAN, KAN.
Even in the relatively immediate aftermath of Kansas State toppling then-No. 1 Oklahoma on Saturday, coach oscar Weber apparently simply couldn’t please, or even appease, some people.
That’s why if you tried to get on the Internet on Wednesday at Bramlage Coliseum, one of the network options was, in fact, a profanity attached to his name.
Another was called “Fire oscar.”
This is the work of a few, or perhaps but one, detractor. And both the volume and scope of those complaining about Weber to the K-State administration has ebbed notably this season.
fwiw
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Luke Mcvicker It comes to making plays and wes is screwing us by his lack of Daisy of play as he just dribbles and doesn't do anything. He has only had a few games were he was special. Last Saturday and the Texas a&m
John Gilliam Can't believe you all blame Coach Weber. Edwards, Westicles and Hurt are all leaders and upper class players and all they have to do is make some late free throws and that is a win! Those players were shooting and missing not Weber.
John Gilliam Illinois hasn't exactly been a powerhouse since he was fired! KSU had Lon Kreuger and he left voluntarily. Dana Altman the fans hated and he left because he heard the rumblings. He did well at Creighton and now Oregon. If the fans had only been patient with him that would have been a nice long term solution. Frank Martin was here and left voluntarily or at least that is what we were told. (Jamar Samuels mysteriously received some cash in the mail if you remember and Michael Beasley's mom was getting money from Michael's benefactor as was he.) Weber can at least coach and has a young team. I understand last year was a mess, but Foster wasn't a tool until the second year and thought he was a NBA guard. He was uncoachable after that. Weber has some nice young talent and more on the way. He has a 4 star for next year. Who do you think will be coming to Manhattan when Krueger's number hangs in the rafters and he left? Weber is a decent coach and honest and does not cheap. KSU could do a lot worse for example Rick Patino. He has Louisville in the running all the time and now look at that mess. Let's support the coach we have. He will have a team to compete in short order. They are close!
Luke Mcvicker We have dome of the worst fans in basketball. We could go 0-11 in football and you would throw snyder a party it's soooo one sided.
Shana Roether I am sort of sad reading these comments.... Some of you guys certainly don't display the whole #family motto! The Cats had many opportunities to win this game LOTS of turn overs and not making free throws does not help to win games! That being said, ALL of our losses until today are to teams ranked in the top 25! I think that says something about our team and coach.... Just a thought
Loren Fisher Way too many "Puppy Monkey Baby" whiners and complainers on here. They couldn't recruit a DI player themselves but they can sure complain. Complaining is not an "entitlement".
Luke Mcvicker All you people are morans there has got be a point where we have to put the players accountable. Weber put them in position. The players got to execute when you have wes and justin making stupid plays kind of hard to run offense
Garren Walrod Maybe some of you need to find a new team!
Garren Walrod Calling a coach a bum isn't what I call caring ! He is human and a good person that cares about the kids and they are a young team. I guess if you care you should see that.
Luke Mcvicker Yeah some of wanted you keep last yrs team and we would have single digit wins right now. We are light years better.
Joel Moore K-State and then hold off on all the oscar bashing..Its not like there is better options available at the time.
Joel McCrea Wonder if all of you were whining and blaming the Coach when we beat Oklahoma...oh wait...
Jeffrey Evans God bless Coach Weber and the Wildcats, keep moving on to the next game!!!
Edna Smith Dolbeare It WAS a good game, despite the final score! wink emoticon
Adom Slotto I bet we will do good next year
Joel McCrea Wonder if all of you were whining and blaming the Coach when we beat Oklahoma...oh wait...
Okie St. post-game comments from K-State sports fb pageI need the @ for quote #3 pleaseQuoteLuke Mcvicker It comes to making plays and wes is screwing us by his lack of Daisy of play as he just dribbles and doesn't do anything. He has only had a few games were he was special. Last Saturday and the Texas a&mQuoteJohn Gilliam Can't believe you all blame Coach Weber. Edwards, Westicles and Hurt are all leaders and upper class players and all they have to do is make some late free throws and that is a win! Those players were shooting and missing not Weber.QuoteJohn Gilliam Illinois hasn't exactly been a powerhouse since he was fired! KSU had Lon Kreuger and he left voluntarily. Dana Altman the fans hated and he left because he heard the rumblings. He did well at Creighton and now Oregon. If the fans had only been patient with him that would have been a nice long term solution. Frank Martin was here and left voluntarily or at least that is what we were told. (Jamar Samuels mysteriously received some cash in the mail if you remember and Michael Beasley's mom was getting money from Michael's benefactor as was he.) Weber can at least coach and has a young team. I understand last year was a mess, but Foster wasn't a tool until the second year and thought he was a NBA guard. He was uncoachable after that. Weber has some nice young talent and more on the way. He has a 4 star for next year. Who do you think will be coming to Manhattan when Krueger's number hangs in the rafters and he left? Weber is a decent coach and honest and does not cheap. KSU could do a lot worse for example Rick Patino. He has Louisville in the running all the time and now look at that mess. Let's support the coach we have. He will have a team to compete in short order. They are close!QuoteLuke Mcvicker We have dome of the worst fans in basketball. We could go 0-11 in football and you would throw snyder a party it's soooo one sided.QuoteShana Roether I am sort of sad reading these comments.... Some of you guys certainly don't display the whole #family motto! The Cats had many opportunities to win this game LOTS of turn overs and not making free throws does not help to win games! That being said, ALL of our losses until today are to teams ranked in the top 25! I think that says something about our team and coach.... Just a thoughtQuoteLoren Fisher Way too many "Puppy Monkey Baby" whiners and complainers on here. They couldn't recruit a DI player themselves but they can sure complain. Complaining is not an "entitlement".QuoteLuke Mcvicker All you people are morans there has got be a point where we have to put the players accountable. Weber put them in position. The players got to execute when you have wes and justin making stupid plays kind of hard to run offenseQuoteGarren Walrod Maybe some of you need to find a new team!QuoteGarren Walrod Calling a coach a bum isn't what I call caring ! He is human and a good person that cares about the kids and they are a young team. I guess if you care you should see that.QuoteLuke Mcvicker Yeah some of wanted you keep last yrs team and we would have single digit wins right now. We are light years better.QuoteJoel Moore K-State and then hold off on all the oscar bashing..Its not like there is better options available at the time.QuoteJoel McCrea Wonder if all of you were whining and blaming the Coach when we beat Oklahoma...oh wait...QuoteJeffrey Evans God bless Coach Weber and the Wildcats, keep moving on to the next game!!!QuoteEdna Smith Dolbeare It WAS a good game, despite the final score! wink emoticonQuoteAdom Slotto I bet we will do good next year
Shana?
I thought you coached a girls team. That's why I went in that direction.Shana?
Wrong gender
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/609080311629029376
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/609080311629029376
:lol:
:Wha:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/591004258964635649
oscar on 810 today: "If we were in any other league we'd be in the NCAA tournament".
in bad leagues you really have to pile up the wins. ksu would be out anywhere in america
now that i think about it you're probably right, but i still think with south carolina's schedule k-state would be in the tourney
now that i think about it you're probably right, but i still think with south carolina's schedule k-state would be in the tourney
it's possible, but certainly by no means a lock. but keep in mind that usc has a shockingly unusual schedule. like a once in a 100 years type schedule for a high-major school.
I am far too lazy to look at all the schedules but it seems like we always play a team on the same or more rest than us. Am I wrong? I probably am but every Saturday game I go look at previous game of Cats current opponent and it somehow is on the same day or before our last game. Idk maybe they do this for everyone but just found it curious.
An actual Real life post on the Scout Board.QuoteI am far too lazy to look at all the schedules but it seems like we always play a team on the same or more rest than us. Am I wrong? I probably am but every Saturday game I go look at previous game of Cats current opponent and it somehow is on the same day or before our last game. Idk maybe they do this for everyone but just found it curious.
"I guess they’re excuses, but they’re probably facts, also."Ha ha
This single comment sums up everything I dislike about oscar.
"I guess they’re excuses, but they’re probably facts, also."
This single comment sums up everything I dislike about oscar.
Where is that quote from? Is that the gP article?
"I guess they’re excuses, but they’re probably facts, also."THE WORD
This single comment sums up everything I dislike about oscar.
“If we can find a way to beat Oklahoma State we’ll play our 17th game against a top-25 RPI. No one else is going to be able to do that in the country. Our record outside of that is really, really good.
Quote“If we can find a way to beat Oklahoma State we’ll play our 17th game against a top-25 RPI. No one else is going to be able to do that in the country. Our record outside of that is really, really good.
I mean seriously. who talks like that? if? if? if, we can find a way? they are 12-19 for crying out freaking loud.
Is there anything wrong with saying "We're really going to try and win 4 games this week and make the NCAA tournament. Its going to be very tough, there are no easy games, but we will go to Kansas City and try and win a bid to the NCAA tournament."
Like, is there anything wrong with saying that? Sure winning 4 games against OSU, KU, Texas, and WVU or whatever it would end up being is extremely extremely unlikely, but why not say "hey we're going to try and do something special this week."?
Is there anything wrong with saying "We're really going to try and win 4 games this week and make the NCAA tournament. Its going to be very tough, there are no easy games, but we will go to Kansas City and try and win a bid to the NCAA tournament."
Like, is there anything wrong with saying that? Sure winning 4 games against OSU, KU, Texas, and WVU or whatever it would end up being is extremely extremely unlikely, but why not say "hey we're going to try and do something special this week."?
Is there anything wrong with saying "We're really going to try and win 4 games this week and make the NCAA tournament. Its going to be very tough, there are no easy games, but we will go to Kansas City and try and win a bid to the NCAA tournament."
Like, is there anything wrong with saying that? Sure winning 4 games against OSU, KU, Texas, and WVU or whatever it would end up being is extremely extremely unlikely, but why not say "hey we're going to try and do something special this week."?
I don't think there's anything wrong with not saying that either
Is there anything wrong with saying "We're really going to try and win 4 games this week and make the NCAA tournament. Its going to be very tough, there are no easy games, but we will go to Kansas City and try and win a bid to the NCAA tournament."because looking ahead to what could potentially happen is so far out of bruces realm he would never think that way.
Like, is there anything wrong with saying that? Sure winning 4 games against OSU, KU, Texas, and WVU or whatever it would end up being is extremely extremely unlikely, but why not say "hey we're going to try and do something special this week."?
Last I heard him talk about OSU, it was "the game will likely come down to a couple of 3s going in or a big turnover." Sounds like nothing we can do but go out there and let fate decide. No sense in game planning or anything, just cross your fingers.
maybe he should have said these are facts and probably also excuses.
I think you guys are forgetting about the key injuries. The ball bounces our way only a few times this year and we are looking at a nine seed and oscar is COY. I don't think you can be a kenpom top 50 team without being pretty good. Too bad you can't see that.
Clearly if you want spin this negatively you can, but the probable facts are that this team is 5 points from being in the NCAA tournament. I think we can score five more points next year with the core we have coming back.
Clearly if you want spin this negatively you can, but the probable facts are that this team is 5 points from being in the NCAA tournament. I think we can score five more points next year with the core we have coming back.
Was this the quote, pages ago, Soren had where he followed with 30 seconds of silence and than asked when fans will do something?Yep
Inspired to find this quote: 13:50 to 14:57....awkward pause for 20 seconds until Soren starts again.Was this the quote, pages ago, Soren had where he followed with 30 seconds of silence and than asked when fans will do something?Yep
Caught a quick interview of oscar on fox4 news, he was on his talking point about his schedule and finished it with "Its the top RPI of all time, I think"
you'll be hard pressed to find a more enjoyable coach in america to suck complete crap with
you'll be hard pressed to find a more enjoyable coach in america to suck complete crap with
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/403362413224812544
Clearly if you want spin this negatively you can, but the probable facts are that this team is 5 points from being in the NCAA tournament. I think we can score five more points next year with the core we have coming back.
I do believe he deserved a chance. He's gotten more than that.
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2009 (http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2009)
i don't think chingon is a weber fan, per se. he just wants things to be fair.yes we should be fair above all else
The Quest For MediocrityNot all championships come with a trophy. This young team won the league title in toughness.Clearly if you want spin this negatively you can, but the probable facts are that this team is 5 points from being in the NCAA tournament. I think we can score five more points next year with the core we have coming back.
or,
The Quest for Mediocrity +5
It strikes me that ExBruces are more contagious than Influenza. I've been reading rationalizations like this one for ten years now.
KState is an historic basketball program. My first girlfriend's dad played on a KState Final Four team. I know most of you EMAWs are the opposite of Klingon, re: rationalizing Loserdom. S/he seems to have completely abandoned the goal, which is to compete for championships, right? Hoping for bubble status is the epitome of Broothism.
Not all championships come with a trophy. This young team won the league title in toughness.
Can we discuss that he clearly feels some pressure either internal or otherwise? If he felt ultimate security he wouldn't be trying to justify his existence whenever a mic is in front of his face.
Can we discuss that he clearly feels some pressure either internal or otherwise? If he felt ultimate security he wouldn't be trying to justify his existence whenever a mic is in front of his face.
He's smart enough to know a lot of the fans are upset, however I don't think he's feeling internal pressure. He might starting in November, but I doubt he does yet from Currie/Schulz.
No, I think that's just oscar being oscar. Look at his quote from the day he won the big 12 title:Can we discuss that he clearly feels some pressure either internal or otherwise? If he felt ultimate security he wouldn't be trying to justify his existence whenever a mic is in front of his face.
He's smart enough to know a lot of the fans are upset, however I don't think he's feeling internal pressure. He might starting in November, but I doubt he does yet from Currie/Schulz.
If he's as paranoid as it seems, then pressure is pressure. He's reacting like he's under pressure right now.
"It's been fun. It's been a blast," Weber said. "I just hope, for their sake there's some more good things to come."
No, I think that's just oscar being oscar. Look at his quote from the day he won the big 12 title:Can we discuss that he clearly feels some pressure either internal or otherwise? If he felt ultimate security he wouldn't be trying to justify his existence whenever a mic is in front of his face.
He's smart enough to know a lot of the fans are upset, however I don't think he's feeling internal pressure. He might starting in November, but I doubt he does yet from Currie/Schulz.
If he's as paranoid as it seems, then pressure is pressure. He's reacting like he's under pressure right now.Quote"It's been fun. It's been a blast," Weber said. "I just hope, for their sake there's some more good things to come."
He also blames the refs!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=330680197
i think he has some sort of autism spectrum disorder, the stuff he says and does just isn't normal. and no, not everyone who isn't normal has asd, but the way his "differences" manifest themselves has led me to think that he does. he really struggles in social situations as well as when he tries to communicate.
maybe he's just ultra insecure but that doesn't make sense considering the things he's accomplished in his life.
i think he has some sort of autism spectrum disorder, the stuff he says and does just isn't normal. and no, not everyone who isn't normal has asd, but the way his "differences" manifest themselves has led me to think that he does. he really struggles in social situations as well as when he tries to communicate.
maybe he's just ultra insecure but that doesn't make sense considering the things he's accomplished in his life.
Yeah. I mean, the guy did coach in a national title game. That's what I can't get over. I don't care what he inherited, not everyone does that, especially considering it was his second year there.
The whole oscar thing is just so strange.
i think he has some sort of autism spectrum disorder, the stuff he says and does just isn't normal. and no, not everyone who isn't normal has asd, but the way his "differences" manifest themselves has led me to think that he does. he really struggles in social situations as well as when he tries to communicate.
maybe he's just ultra insecure but that doesn't make sense considering the things he's accomplished in his life.
Yeah. I mean, the guy did coach in a national title game. That's what I can't get over. I don't care what he inherited, not everyone does that, especially considering it was his second year there.
The whole oscar thing is just so strange.
excuses are probably facts
part 1: players that don't want to be here. part 2a: players that do want to be here. part 2b: and do the things required to be a cat
Gasaway said he was asked earlier this season by Kansas State coach oscar Weber why his team ranked so low in the computer ratings.
“I thought he was asking why are we so low in KenPom, and come to find out he was really asking why are we so low in the RPI, which is a much different answer,” Gasaway said.
He also blames the refs!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=330680197
Have you seen his pregame speech for the national title game? Even if you have it's worth a rewatch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
The Connie Indoor
IN my search for Brucey quotes, I found this:QuoteGasaway said he was asked earlier this season by Kansas State coach oscar Weber why his team ranked so low in the computer ratings.
“I thought he was asking why are we so low in KenPom, and come to find out he was really asking why are we so low in the RPI, which is a much different answer,” Gasaway said.
Leave it to oscar to ask John Gasaway why he's ranked low in RPI
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556819-the-ken-pomeroy-effect-how-advanced-metrics-have-revolutionized-ncaa-basketball
"To the advanced stats community, associating a site like KenPom.com with the RPI (Ranking Percentage Index) is like comparing a chef’s work to a cook’s at McDonald's."
To some connoisseurs nuggets are a delicacy.
Weber was let go after compiling 210-101 record over nine seasons, which included six trips to the NCAA tournament and a national runner-up finish in 2005. The Illini went 17-15 and 6-12 in the Big Ten this season, prompting the administration let Weber go with three years left on his contract.
"I'll be honest: We had a young team, six freshmen, one returning starter," Weber said. "The disappointment of a lot of close losses took a toll. It happens."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/31/oscar-weber-kansas-state-illinois_n_1394173.html
n how important it is to play well in the conference tournament
"I don't know if its … we want to do well. Hopefully we'll go there and win a conference tournament. If we did something like that, it would solidify a good seed, which gives you some advantage maybe playing in Kansas City thats a wish, a hope, a dream. The main thing is we've got to get better on the defensive end, and it starts in practice in the next few days. I'm proud of the guys. I told them after (the game). I'm disappointed in the one play, the big changing play was the out of bounds where they called the offensive foul. I bet if you went and watched it, it wasn't an offensive foul. That changed the game and the momentum a lot. But then they made plays and we didn't. Nino (Williams) had a couple of free throws. We had three, four opportunities. We had three putbacks on one play and we didn't get it in. Rod had an open shot in the corner and it didn't go down. They made the plays."
“He gave an example,” guard Angel Rodriguez said, “that we get a lot of Gatorade and liquids in our locker room and guys take two or three and then another guy won’t have any so somebody else has to give it to him because he got more than one. That’s why he says we have to share the juices and that’s the example he gave for the ball, as well. When we share the ball and we play as a team on both ends, we can be really special.”
“At halftime it was 17 baskets and 17 assists,” Weber said. “I don’t know if that’s ever been done before but that’s pretty impressive”
can't remember what i said exactly but something to brett in regards to defending oscar's constant excuses. now i'm banned and it's not even bc i'm really steve dave.
i'll b honest, all these years i thought u had to do more to get banned. it's hilarious how easily they're threatened by a customer making light of the staff's various biases and inability to actually write
i'll b honest, all these years i thought u had to do more to get banned. it's hilarious how easily they're threatened by a customer making light of the staff's various biases and inability to actually write
he's a senior writer, no need for him to take lip from customers of your ilk
i've never heard of the guy before these last few posts so after i read your comment above, i went to his twitter. the guy does love him some nba.
IN my search for Brucey quotes, I found this:QuoteGasaway said he was asked earlier this season by Kansas State coach oscar Weber why his team ranked so low in the computer ratings.
“I thought he was asking why are we so low in KenPom, and come to find out he was really asking why are we so low in the RPI, which is a much different answer,” Gasaway said.
Leave it to oscar to ask John Gasaway why he's ranked low in RPI
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556819-the-ken-pomeroy-effect-how-advanced-metrics-have-revolutionized-ncaa-basketball
IN my search for Brucey quotes, I found this:QuoteGasaway said he was asked earlier this season by Kansas State coach oscar Weber why his team ranked so low in the computer ratings.
“I thought he was asking why are we so low in KenPom, and come to find out he was really asking why are we so low in the RPI, which is a much different answer,” Gasaway said.
Leave it to oscar to ask John Gasaway why he's ranked low in RPI
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556819-the-ken-pomeroy-effect-how-advanced-metrics-have-revolutionized-ncaa-basketball
I don't even....
Clearly if you want spin this negatively you can, but the probable facts are that this team is 5 points from being in the NCAA tournament. I think we can score five more points next year with the core we have coming back.
IN my search for Brucey quotes, I found this:QuoteGasaway said he was asked earlier this season by Kansas State coach oscar Weber why his team ranked so low in the computer ratings.
“I thought he was asking why are we so low in KenPom, and come to find out he was really asking why are we so low in the RPI, which is a much different answer,” Gasaway said.
Leave it to oscar to ask John Gasaway why he's ranked low in RPI
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556819-the-ken-pomeroy-effect-how-advanced-metrics-have-revolutionized-ncaa-basketball
"To the advanced stats community, associating a site like KenPom.com with the RPI (Ranking Percentage Index) is like comparing a chef’s work to a cook’s at McDonald's."
To some connoisseurs nuggets are a delicacy.
QuoteWeber was let go after compiling 210-101 record over nine seasons, which included six trips to the NCAA tournament and a national runner-up finish in 2005. The Illini went 17-15 and 6-12 in the Big Ten this season, prompting the administration let Weber go with three years left on his contract.
"I'll be honest: We had a young team, six freshmen, one returning starter," Weber said. "The disappointment of a lot of close losses took a toll. It happens."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/31/oscar-weber-kansas-state-illinois_n_1394173.html
It sure does, oscar.
Angel's summary of a oscar motivational tactic is, as you would expect, beautiful.Quote“He gave an example,” guard Angel Rodriguez said, “that we get a lot of Gatorade and liquids in our locker room and guys take two or three and then another guy won’t have any so somebody else has to give it to him because he got more than one. That’s why he says we have to share the juices and that’s the example he gave for the ball, as well. When we share the ball and we play as a team on both ends, we can be really special.”
oscar would be a great little league coach
I believe we deserve to be in
the NIT. There's probably a lot of other teams, but we
played a very, very difficult schedule. We've competed
with everybody outside of the league. We were very
good
as a team, we do want to play
in the NIT.
our record doesn't show as good as we are, but I'm sure that the way we kept up with teams does.
They won today, and we had beat them both times, both at their place and our place on the play hard, that's deflections, loose balls, diving on the floor and taking charges. They are very, very athletic. There's no doubt it's a factor.
you have to wait and see how these other leagues unfold. I think there's been at least four or five league champions that didn't win their tournament that get in, so each one of those hurts us. But again, we've -- outside the league we were 11-2.
I don't know what happened with Texas Tech's R.P.I. after last night, but we thought if they won and stayed in the top 25 R.P.I., we would have 17 of our games were going to be against top 25 R.P.I., so wherever Texas ends up they are 30-something. We have 17 games in that. And there's no other team in the country that has had to do that. And we competed with them, and had overtime losses, close losses.
I rough ridin' love how tournaments put out presser transcripts instead of having to rely on what the media types edit and include in their stories.
I rough ridin' love how tournaments put out presser transcripts instead of having to rely on what the media types edit and include in their stories.
makes you realize how bad reporters are at their jobs.
QuoteI don't know what happened with Texas Tech's R.P.I. after last night, but we thought if they won and stayed in the top 25 R.P.I., we would have 17 of our games were going to be against top 25 R.P.I., so wherever Texas ends up they are 30-something. We have 17 games in that. And there's no other team in the country that has had to do that. And we competed with them, and had overtime losses, close losses.
QuoteI don't know what happened with Texas Tech's R.P.I. after last night, but we thought if they won and stayed in the top 25 R.P.I., we would have 17 of our games were going to be against top 25 R.P.I., so wherever Texas ends up they are 30-something. We have 17 games in that. And there's no other team in the country that has had to do that. And we competed with them, and had overtime losses, close losses.
Damn you Texas and Texas tech!!! You messed up our banner! You can't hang a banner for playing 16 teams in the top 25 RPI. Only 17 and higher.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article65285122.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article65285122.html
Look at the video. oscar is just a guy that is tickled pink to have a job that pays above his abilities. Anything his teams accomplish is just fine with him.
Only team to have to watch tape at 11 at night in a tournament setting, then try to do walkthrough in a hotel. No clue what kind of pass these other teams get, but it's not fair.
Looks like oscar is taking a page out of LHC Bill Snyder's playbook. I want this framed and in my man cave.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1554/25397468810_4aaf1fde83_b.jpg)
They boop boop boop'd the Cats for like 2 hours straight.Only team to have to watch tape at 11 at night in a tournament setting, then try to do walkthrough in a hotel. No clue what kind of pass these other teams get, but it's not fair.
KU was fresh, but they deserved it for winning the league
Looks like oscar is taking a page out of LHC LHC Bill Snyder's playbook. I want this framed and in my man cave.OMG @Testy Westy, this would make a fantastic magnet!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1554/25397468810_4aaf1fde83_b.jpg)
They boop boop boop'd the Cats for like 2 hours straight.Only team to have to watch tape at 11 at night in a tournament setting, then try to do walkthrough in a hotel. No clue what kind of pass these other teams get, but it's not fair.
KU was fresh, but they deserved it for winning the league
Looks like oscar is taking a page out of LHC LHC Bill Snyder's playbook. I want this framed and in my man cave.OMG @Testy Westy, this would make a fantastic magnet!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1554/25397468810_4aaf1fde83_b.jpg)
On the Border Patrol right now. Nice work _33.
:love:
Take out the extra R in #1 - SCHEDULE MAKERRS.
On the Border Patrol right now. Nice work _33.those cocksuckers better podcast this
SE: Weber's '16 Excuses' Vital To K-States Almost Success
March 4, 2016
This story appeared in Friday's K-State Sports Extra. A daily email newsletter for information on receiving Sports Extra click here.
By Mark Janssen
To the eye, they read so simple … almost generic. To the ear, they sound so simple … almost generic.
But Kansas State basketball coach oscar Weber insists that when the Wildcats have struggled through their most defeats, it has come in years when he was the most dialed into the “16 Excuses for Failure.”
Like in 2015 and again in 2016.
Simplistic ideas like: It was the referees fault, the schedule makers did us no favors, and unlucky bounces of the ball. Generic phrases like: If our conference wasn’t so hard we would have been way better, and the SEC Challenge caused us to lose a bye.
Lumped together, and bought into, Weber summarizes, “If our fans believe in each of these excuses, I, as a coach, will always be able to rationalize my failures.”
Weber is the first to admit that the ’16 Excuses for Failure’ are no more than words on a piece of paper … unless they are put to work. Easily, he says, “They are words that pretty soon can go in one ear and out the other unless totally stressed every single day.”
For that reason, not only do Wildcat basketball fans hear Weber verbalizing the ’16 Excuses’ but they are constantly appearing in newspaper and magazine articles after every K-State loss. They are stated in post-game press conferences and interviews on local radio and television.
“I want them to be in front of the fans at all times,” said Weber. “If they aren’t constantly reminded of them, they might start to believe failure is due to something other than bad luck and poor scheduling.”
But in reality, Weber says, “The question is whether the fans believe them and use them in their life. I don’t make that happen, but they do. It’s up to them whether to place an importance on these particular rationalizations. If they don’t post these same excuses on message boards and twitter, and if they don’t attack any fan who attempts to hold me accountable for the actions of these young, lazy, mistake prone basketball players, then they’re just words on a piece of paper. The important thing is not the words, but whether or not I have a job.”
The ’16 Excuses for Failure’ have never been talked about more than with last year’s K-State team that was picked to finish fourth in the Big 12, but ended up winning only 15 games, at one point losing 8 out of 10 in conference play, and missed out on being invited to any post season tournaments.
“Did I place a greater emphasis on them than past teams? I can’t answer that,” said Weber, “but I did put a great deal of emphasis on them.”
In explaining the reason for their importance, the Wildcat coach says, “If each fan believes each of these excuses, I, as a coach, will always be able to claim that I would have been successful if not for all of those other things.”
On the Border Patrol right now. Nice work _33.
Kind of long but worth the read if you have time. Looks like Mark Janssen came out of retirement to write one more puff piece.QuoteSE: Weber's '16 Excuses' Vital To K-States Almost Success
March 4, 2016
This story appeared in Friday's K-State Sports Extra. A daily email newsletter for information on receiving Sports Extra click here.
By Mark Janssen
To the eye, they read so simple … almost generic. To the ear, they sound so simple … almost generic.
But Kansas State basketball coach oscar Weber insists that when the Wildcats have struggled through their most defeats, it has come in years when he was the most dialed into the “16 Excuses for Failure.”
Like in 2015 and again in 2016.
Simplistic ideas like: It was the referees fault, the schedule makers did us no favors, and unlucky bounces of the ball. Generic phrases like: If our conference wasn’t so hard we would have been way better, and the SEC Challenge caused us to lose a bye.
Lumped together, and bought into, Weber summarizes, “If our fans believe in each of these excuses, I, as a coach, will always be able to rationalize my failures.”
Weber is the first to admit that the ’16 Excuses for Failure’ are no more than words on a piece of paper … unless they are put to work. Easily, he says, “They are words that pretty soon can go in one ear and out the other unless totally stressed every single day.”
For that reason, not only do Wildcat basketball fans hear Weber verbalizing the ’16 Excuses’ but they are constantly appearing in newspaper and magazine articles after every K-State loss. They are stated in post-game press conferences and interviews on local radio and television.
“I want them to be in front of the fans at all times,” said Weber. “If they aren’t constantly reminded of them, they might start to believe failure is due to something other than bad luck and poor scheduling.”
But in reality, Weber says, “The question is whether the fans believe them and use them in their life. I don’t make that happen, but they do. It’s up to them whether to place an importance on these particular rationalizations. If they don’t post these same excuses on message boards and twitter, and if they don’t attack any fan who attempts to hold me accountable for the actions of these young, lazy, mistake prone basketball players, then they’re just words on a piece of paper. The important thing is not the words, but whether or not I have a job.”
The ’16 Excuses for Failure’ have never been talked about more than with last year’s K-State team that was picked to finish fourth in the Big 12, but ended up winning only 15 games, at one point losing 8 out of 10 in conference play, and missed out on being invited to any post season tournaments.
“Did I place a greater emphasis on them than past teams? I can’t answer that,” said Weber, “but I did put a great deal of emphasis on them.”
In explaining the reason for their importance, the Wildcat coach says, “If each fan believes each of these excuses, I, as a coach, will always be able to claim that I would have been successful if not for all of those other things.”
Sorry _33, Looks like your rules aren't going over well on the BOTC fbook page.
Sorry _33, Looks like your rules aren't going over well on the BOTC fbook page.
Jill Lively Horrible. Don't know who @33KSU is, but I would bet they've never been involved in what it takes to coach a division 1 team! Shame on you @33KSU!
jill doesnt know what its like to achieve greatness. eff jillSorry _33, Looks like your rules aren't going over well on the BOTC fbook page.QuoteJill Lively Horrible. Don't know who @33KSU is, but I would bet they've never been involved in what it takes to coach a division 1 team! Shame on you @33KSU!
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Sorry _33, Looks like your rules aren't going over well on the BOTC fbook page.QuoteJill Lively Horrible. Don't know who @33KSU is, but I would bet they've never been involved in what it takes to coach a division 1 team! Shame on you @33KSU!
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Glenn Winkler Does this "33" person even have the ability to dunk? doubt it.
Our very own, if I'm not mistakenQuoteGlenn Winkler Does this "33" person even have the ability to dunk? doubt it.
Glenn Winkler went straight for the throat with that one.
correctOur very own, if I'm not mistakenQuoteGlenn Winkler Does this "33" person even have the ability to dunk? doubt it.
Glenn Winkler went straight for the throat with that one.
If I thought Currie and Schulz would hire @33KSU for coach, I'd be good with firing oscar now. That's me. It may take more to earn the sys vote.
maybe we could just have a thread where we cut and pasted everyone's IRL names and facebook posts and pics of their kids and end this charade of our usernames etc good grief.
you tell 'em Jeff!maybe we could just have a thread where we cut and pasted everyone's IRL names and facebook posts and pics of their kids and end this charade of our usernames etc good grief.
Usernames are mostly irrelevant due to Twitter and or paks at this point
Lmao. Yeah so many personal twitters.maybe we could just have a thread where we cut and pasted everyone's IRL names and facebook posts and pics of their kids and end this charade of our usernames etc good grief.
Usernames are mostly irrelevant due to Twitter and or paks at this point
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/591004258964635649
Anonymity online is the pussification of run riot.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/591004258964635649
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I agree.Anonymity online is the pussification of run riot.
I think it's great as long as you aren't using it to be a dick.
we have a bunch of guys buggered up
“A lot of outside people didn’t have high expectations from us. We knew we were going to be young and inexperienced and not have as much depth as you need. We did some really good things early. A lot of guys got experience.
“It comes down to being in a very, very tough league with an inexperienced team and we just didn’t win the close games.”
“Watching his film before we played those teams a second team is when it hit you, how important he was,” K-State coach oscar Weber said. “The things he did -- making shots, passes, defense, there were so many things he could do. Without him, that made it tougher on Barry. He had to play more minutes and then Barry wore down.
Well, we had to play Ervin when Stokes was out. That alone is enough to partially validate this Brucecuse.
“We would like to have that again,” Weber said. “But that has been a dilemma. When I got this job I asked for Texas names and got four or five right away. This week, I have asked around and I haven’t been able to get any.
Like, who is he asking for names?the same consultant that got him hired is my first guess
Like, who is he asking for names? He doesn't keep his own list of potential assistants?
Are all coaches this incompetent?
Accurate. Scary, but accurate.Like, who is he asking for names? He doesn't keep his own list of potential assistants?
Are all coaches this incompetent?
Dobberette's KU fan soccer coach is more competent than this.
Vulture come on down!
Like, who is he asking for names? He doesn't keep his own list of potential assistants?
there are fans that are unhappy, that’s nationwide. our fans, it’s just part of it.
Quotethere are fans that are unhappy, that’s nationwide. our fans, it’s just part of it.
not an excuse, just one of those wonderful, "wtf is he talking about?" lines he likes to mix into his answers. but i don't think we have a dedicated thread for those.
Quotethere are fans that are unhappy, that’s nationwide. our fans, it’s just part of it.
not an excuse, just one of those wonderful, "wtf is he talking about?" lines he likes to mix into his answers. but i don't think we have a dedicated thread for those.
Unhappy KSU hoops fans indeed span nationwide. Worldwide when you factor in felix rex.
Quotethere are fans that are unhappy, that’s nationwide. our fans, it’s just part of it.
not an excuse, just one of those wonderful, "wtf is he talking about?" lines he likes to mix into his answers. but i don't think we have a dedicated thread for those.
Unhappy KSU hoops fans indeed span nationwide. Worldwide when you factor in felix rex.
And is may span further, and probably does, than felix rex.
“There are fans that are unhappy,” he said. “That’s nationwide. Our fans, it’s just part of it. We had heartbreaking, crushing losses, and that makes it even harder. We were probably three plays from being in the NCAA Tournament. We win three more games and we’re in the NCAA Tournament with our schedule rating.
“I understand their disappointment. I’m disappointed. Our players were disappointed.”
Quote“ We were probably three plays from being in the NCAA Tournament.
Quote“ We were probably three plays from being in the NCAA Tournament.
What a god damn loser
Quote“ We were probably three plays from being in the NCAA Tournament.
What a god damn loser
Reporting from Chapel Hill, NC: Fans are very unhappy.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
Reporting from Chapel Hill, NC: Fans are very unhappy.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
About what?
I'll have to ask them. I just assumed it was related to the national epidemic Oscar was talking about.Reporting from Chapel Hill, NC: Fans are very unhappy.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
About what?
:impatient:
I just assumed it was related to the national epidemic Oscar was talking about.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25584049/watch-utep-coach-tim-floyd-blasts-radio-host-at-press-conferencedisagree w/ the author's opinion that this puts a negative light on floyd, the world of sports journalism has devolved into a bunch of talentless hacks spinkled with an occasional talented professional
Why can't we ever play new teams? Although I hope this means a return trip to Seattle!Spokane :frown:
Directs from OAK at least. :frown:Why can't we ever play new teams? Although I hope this means a return trip to Seattle!Spokane :frown:
Kansas State coach oscar Weber would like to see the NCAA modify its scholarship rules in light of the extended deadline.
“I understand (the deadline is) good for the players, but it’s really tough on programs, the coaches,” Weber said. “Do you go find somebody to replace him? What do you do when they come back and you don’t have a scholarship? There are so many things with that that makes it tough. I’m all for players’ rights and helping them, but I think if we continue this, give us an extra scholarship.
“If a young man wants to come back, let him be on scholarship and continue his career there without putting a punishment to the program, to the other players on the team.”
Why can't we ever play new teams? Although I hope this means a return trip to Seattle!Spokane :frown:
Why can't we ever play new teams? Although I hope this means a return trip to Seattle!Spokane :frown:
Sherman Alexie, tho. Wow, that post probs makes no sense to anyone but me and mich. Oh well.
Kansas State: K-State finished near the bottom of the league standings last season, mustering only five conference wins, and it’s going to be a difficult ask for much more this season. Last year’s leading scorer Hopper graduated, leaving senior forward Westicles as the Wildcats’ only returning player who averaged double-digit scoring. Coach oscar Weber is going to have his hands full.
Game 1 and we lose to a Liberal Arts College. Yeah...this year is going to suck.
there is going to be a high demand for magnets this year :frown:And Pisstler ran off our magnet maker. :frown:
https://twitter.com/CorbinMcGuire1/status/763509807902896128
https://twitter.com/CorbinMcGuire1/status/763509807902896128
the "get more tougher" excuse seems familiar. Didn't he run an entire IL team under the bus beause he couldn't get them to stop being such pansies?
Need an It Follows movie poster with oscar's head in the background
Need an It Follows movie poster with oscar's head in the background
Something like this?
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Most definitely.
oscar Weber said this trip would prove the toughness of K-State’s basketball team, and it didn’t show much of it in its first exhibition game, losing to a team Missouri beat by double digits. So it was a little strange to see Weber credit his team for playing through jet lag in the defeat when he had previously said that couldn’t be an excuse on this trip.
Maybe he changed his mind after seeing how little sleep the team got? Not sure.
Delta cancellations stranded the Wildcats in Atlanta for a night and the team was a day late arriving in Rome. Then players spent the entire day touring the city before taking the basketball court. Not the most ideal leadup to a game, but Weber set the schedule to test his players and they didn’t respond well in that instance.
They seemed to respond better yesterday, winning 97-80.
The goal of a trip like this is to get to the point where you can play through jet lag the way Oklahoma’s football team did last year. Maybe you don’t remember, but the Sooners were stranded at the Oklahoma City airport for hours trying to get Manhattan. They arrived after midnight for a morning kickoff and had to cancel their walk through. Then they took the field and won 55-0.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article95314697.html#storylink=cpy
Need an It Follows movie poster with oscar's head in the background
Something like this?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNJAvRE4.jpg&hash=e21644437cdb7f93de6cf3abe340473d69da0c1d)
What kind of loser makes his goal finishing in the upper half of the league?
does that mean 1 or 2 plaeys per game? i mean, they were 5-13 last yearThings seemed to go bad last when we had to put in Budke and Hurt, the Biglump. What I got from the scrimmage was that we will have quality substitutes. Maurice will excite us. Sneed is the real deal. Patrick can give Flush a breather. I wish Williams could have played. Budke.played, and.made.goofy mistakes. I hope he is just a grunt.
http://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/785547426874527744
Chevy Chases are the new tiggers
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article107343312.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article107343312.html)
Absolutely shocked Oscar has heard of Caddy Shack
Spalding!Absolutely shocked Oscar has heard of Caddy Shack
I'm not. oscar is our equivalent of the "Smails Kid" who ate his own booger.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2Fcaddybruce.gif&hash=52fdad22be6b1cde12ca66f804e6aeb778a86d78)Rated #1 GIF of all time
K-State finished last season 17-16, including a 5-13 mark in the Big 12. The Wildcats lost four games by four or less points last year that K-State head coach oscar Weber said boiled down to wasted possessions and inexperience.
To remedy the former, K-State has strained its focus on improving its assist-to-turnover ratio, where it ranked eighth in the Big 12 last season.
“Little things really make a difference. You saw the football game (against Texas Tech) Saturday. The team that makes the least mistakes in those close games usually wins the game,” Weber said. “Our biggest nemesis was taking care of the ball and having assists — giving ourselves a chance on possessions. That’s something we’ve harped on all summer.”
Yes, very weird that the media would make a big deal of such an innocuous comment. They must not have been part of the 7K in attendance to see for themselves what an electric environment it was.
Yes, very weird that the media would make a big deal of such an innocuous comment. They must not have been part of the 7K in attendance to see for themselves what an electric environment it was.
Well, it was in excess of 8,000, and relative to other crowds they've played before I think it's a fair characterization.
If we're going to do this thread, we need to do it right (eg, schedule makers, flu, travel, etc).
...in an arena that holds 19,000, in our #1 city for alumni population, and the crowd was already thinning out during the first half. It was the worst KC crowd I can remember, there was nothing beyond polite clapping in my section. This was a textbook #exbruce. Puts the blame on someone else and is totally nonsensical. What more could you ask for?
If you're a true KState fan contemplating hoops attendance, you now know what to do.
If you're a true KState fan contemplating hoops attendance, you now know what to do.
Currie: (probably)
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“We are boogered up a little bit,” Weber, K-State’s basketball coach said. “Claws’s foot was hurt, Kamau was coming off a sprained ankle, D.J. (Johnson) gives his all. But that’s everyone. It’s that time of year. It’s gut-check time. We need to see what we can do.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article128651254.html#storylink=cpy
Classic oscar, give the excuse, followed by the qualifier.
He's got it down to a science.
“We are boogered up a little bit,” Weber, K-State’s basketball coach said. “Claws’s foot was hurt, Kamau was coming off a sprained ankle, D.J. (Johnson) gives his all. But that’s everyone. It’s that time of year. It’s gut-check time. We need to see what we can do.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article128651254.html#storylink=cpy
Classic oscar, give the excuse, followed by the qualifier.
He's got it down to a science.
did Wade get hurt during the game? I must have missed it and was only half paying attention.
johnson playing hard is an injury?
i thought it was that he played too hard and thus was tired which apparently is a form of being boogered up.
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oscar Weber says "it's not an excuse" but Claws and D.J. Johnson didn't practice this week. Hard for K-State to win with them limited.
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oscar Weber on Tennessee: "I was hoping they would have a letdown. They didn't. They took it to us."
oscar sadly is going no where. We are stuck with a loser who will do just enough to keep Tuck Nation behind him.
The texts I got from friends in EMAW (like all my friends in EMAW here) were universal in the "why do I let this guy fool me" theme yesterday.
I'm glad I don't concern myself with the broader and deeper implications of coach speak.
I'm glad I don't concern myself with the broader and deeper implications of coach speak.
Well, oscar's coach speak is the worst. At least be somewhat entertaining.
Like, "we hoped the other team would have a letdown" is so funny. Much more entertaining than Frank blaming society for his underperforming players.
What are his locker room speeches like?!
Like, "we hoped the other team would have a letdown" is so funny. Much more entertaining than Frank blaming society for his underperforming players.I was thinking more about this... oscar's demeanor combined with his relative success makes me question the value of pregame speeches and motivational techniques even more.
Like, "we hoped the other team would have a letdown" is so funny. Much more entertaining than Frank blaming society for his underperforming players.I was thinking more about this... oscar's demeanor combined with his relative success makes me question the value of pregame speeches and motivational techniques even more.
I mean he has to be among the worst in the world at it, but he's far from the worst basketball coach in the world. Not even close!
I was talking to my dad yesterday (he's 72) and he was going off about watching oscar on the sidelines, constantly talking to his players, telling them where to stand on defense, etc. It was funny, he can't stand him anymore.
speaking of sideline stuff, why does huggs use the bar stool?Too fat to stand. :frown:
speaking of sideline stuff, why does huggs use the bar stool?
When asked about why he would use a stool, he replied that it simply was an easier alternative during games.
“It was fine as long as I could sit on the stool,” he said. “I just couldn’t sit on that chair and really get up and down the way I was used to getting up and down. So the stool was great. That way I could get up and walk up and down the sideline.”
I really hate this rough ridin' loserJust read this today, this is one of the better exbruces OAT. My god, the futility.QuoteKellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 19h19 hours ago
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oscar Weber says "it's not an excuse" but Claws and D.J. Johnson didn't practice this week. Hard for K-State to win with them limited.QuoteKellis Robinett ?@KellisRobinett 19h19 hours ago
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oscar Weber on Tennessee: "I was hoping they would have a letdown. They didn't. They took it to us."
https://twitter.com/CorbinMcGuire1/status/763509807902896128
"I've never given four days (off) at Christmas but we've been so boogered up, and I just thought it would be good for them, but I don't think I'll ever do it again."
"Nino has been boogered up and has missed practice."
https://twitter.com/BlairKerkhoff/status/575451313548320769
:love:
Ok guys, I talked to Jay Wade before the game. He said that Dean had a separation of the metatarsals. The only way it will heal is without activity. They have changed his shoes and orthotics.(sp.). He is playing through the pain and wants to help the team and he gets trashed. Those of us that know Dean, know that the Dean we have seen lately is not himself! This is no better than Scout! I expected more from you guys!
"Boogered" goes back a long way with oscar.Quote from: oscar in Dec 2006"I've never given four days (off) at Christmas but we've been so boogered up, and I just thought it would be good for them, but I don't think I'll ever do it again.""Nino has been boogered up and has missed practice."
https://twitter.com/ajfrank07/status/679497412252020736https://twitter.com/BlairKerkhoff/status/575451313548320769
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Even the players are saying it's on them not the coaches . All you fans that think it's 100% on the coaches think again
I think there is 1/4 blame on players ,coaches,fans, opponent
EXACTLY RIGHT Dave! Claws's foot probably cost Webers job. But that's the breaks of coaching.
While the facts and excuses comment is great, its not the best oscar comment OAT.
That award goes to the motivational wizardry of "Be outstanding, don't be out standing..."
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37400.msg1536905#msg1536905
I was talking with a guy that talks regularly with one of the players. none of them respect oscar. not shocking but still.
They chose oscar. And now they must live with that choice.
While the facts and excuses comment is great, its not the best oscar comment OAT.
That award goes to the motivational wizardry of "Be outstanding, don't be out standing..."
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37400.msg1536905#msg1536905
They chose oscar. And now they must live with that choice.
we must live with our choices. that's a good message of personal responsibility, 33.
While the facts and excuses comment is great, its not the best oscar comment OAT.
That award goes to the motivational wizardry of "Be outstanding, don't be out standing..."
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37400.msg1536905#msg1536905
While the facts and excuses comment is great, its not the best oscar comment OAT.
That award goes to the motivational wizardry of "Be outstanding, don't be out standing..."
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37400.msg1536905#msg1536905
what a treasure. can't recall exactly, but it's probably in here somewhere. anyone remember when oscar said something like, it's probably impossible to win at wvu but maybe we can make it close. and wvu had lost in a dogshit game to ut like a week earlier? man, that was awesome.
jasn88cubs, bud, do you want oscar back? :pray:
jasn88cubs, bud, do you want oscar back? :pray:
I wouldnt say no right now
John Gross makes him look like John Wooden
like a lot of great artists, oscar is just misunderstood
I don't know why it does, but when you do this chings it really rubs me the wrong way.Sorry bud, but its true (I only count "modern" era, i.e Big 8 and Big 12 )
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/828011424035270656
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/828011424035270656
I haven't seen or heard anyone in the media taking an unfair shot at him. If they did they are a hypothetical fool. oscar is a reporters dream, he is the most candid coach in college basketball.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/828011424035270656
I haven't seen or heard anyone in the media taking an unfair shot at him. If they did they are a hypothetical fool. oscar is a reporters dream, he is the most candid coach in college basketball.
i think oscar is more upset that reporters report the dumbass things he says, and then people like us in threads like these make fun of him.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/828011424035270656
I haven't seen or heard anyone in the media taking an unfair shot at him. If they did they are a hypothetical fool. oscar is a reporters dream, he is the most candid coach in college basketball.
i think oscar is more upset that reporters report the dumbass things he says, and then people like us in threads like these make fun of him.
So, like trump
It's about the media taking quotes and removing the context.https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/828011424035270656
I haven't seen or heard anyone in the media taking an unfair shot at him. If they did they are a hypothetical fool. oscar is a reporters dream, he is the most candid coach in college basketball.
It's about the media taking quotes and removing the context.https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/828011424035270656
I haven't seen or heard anyone in the media taking an unfair shot at him. If they did they are a hypothetical fool. oscar is a reporters dream, he is the most candid coach in college basketball.
“I don’t think any other team in the nation has that opportunity to go three games back-to-back-to-back that are top 10 teams in the nation,” Wade said. “We just didn’t jump on it like we should’ve, but it was good that we got one of them at least. These next six games are big for us now.”
Why do the schedule makers have it in for poor old oscar? They never cut him any breaks. :curse:Quote“I don’t think any other team in the nation has that opportunity to go three games back-to-back-to-back that are top 10 teams in the nation,” Wade said. “We just didn’t jump on it like we should’ve, but it was good that we got one of them at least. These next six games are big for us now.”
It was good that we got one of them at least!
Head Coach oscar Weber
On first half defense…
“I thought we did not fight on defense. We let them do whatever they want. They would make this cut and that cut, get in the paint and kick it. They jumped up and made tough shots. They got going on a run and started talking trash. We just did not do a good job fighting that. On the other end, we did not put any pressure on their defense.”
On slow start…
“I thought we had a great practice on Monday. I thought yesterday was pretty good. You do not have D.J. [Johnson], and Kamau [Stokes] hurts his foot. He has a procedure today just to play. You have got tough times. You have got adversity. You have got to rise up and have some character and toughness down the stretch. I feel good about our guys. We are going to come back on Saturday and play at a high level.”
On calling the team’s final timeout with over four minutes left in the game…
“They were in zone and I did not think our guys were prepared. I wanted to make sure we knew how to attack the zone. We actually scored, but we had a couple of really uncomfortable possessions. Then on the other end, I wanted to make sure we knew what we were doing. I wanted out guys to stay poised and give ourselves a chance.”
On The Flush’s 21-point game…
“I thought he attacked the hoop. Like I said earlier, he only had one three. He was more patient and got to the basket. You go 9-of-14, which is a pretty good outing. I wish he would listen to me on his free throws, but hopefully sooner or later he will get that going.”
Head Coach oscar Weber
On slow start…
“I thought we had a great practice on Monday. I thought yesterday was pretty good. You do not have D.J. [Johnson], and Kamau [Stokes] hurts his foot. He has a procedure today just to play. You have got tough times. You have got adversity. You have got to rise up and have some character and toughness down the stretch. I feel good about our guys. We are going to come back on Saturday and play at a high level.”
Foreign travel is only one part of the adversity K-State will face and benefit from, Weber said, in its time in Europe. Additionally, the Wildcats will face off with unknown teams in varying environments with different rules and officials who Weber said commonly brew up some “home cooking” on the court.
“I think that makes it even better because you have some tough situations that you deal with,” said Weber, adding that gyms without air conditioning filled with opposing teams’ fans are other forms of adversity the team may come across. “So you have all those situations. I think those all kind of add up to bringing teams along.”
"We haven’t had two home games in a row. Everyone else has had that. That hasn’t helped."
"We haven’t had two home games in a row. Everyone else has had that. That hasn’t helped."
i checked this, assuming that weber was incorrect. but, credit where credit is due, kstate is the only big 12 team that hasn't had (or won't have) back to back home conference games. the schedulemakers grow ever more devious.
Doesn't that also mean we are the only Big 12 team without back to back road games?
The fact that oscar knows that fact is astounding and such a great indication of what a master-level excuse maker oscar is.When I read that I was curious how often coaches do that. I'd guess a fair amount. But to bring it up...
I mean it'd be great for locker room talk to fire the guys up about how they hate us or they doubt us or its stacked against us. But you don't say that crap to media.
Doesn't that also mean we are the only Big 12 team without back to back road games?
Doesn't that also mean we are the only Big 12 team without back to back road games?
we do have back to back road games, though. we start and end the season at home, so we get screwed in between.
Oh I know. I was just saying a good coach would use that to fire up a team and motivate a team. Not use it as an excuse to the media. I'm sure all coaches look at the conference schedule. I don't see coaches complaining to the media about Saturday Monday turnarounds...I mean it'd be great for locker room talk to fire the guys up about how they hate us or they doubt us or its stacked against us. But you don't say that crap to media.
oscar does this all the time though.
Oh I know. I was just saying a good coach would use that to fire up a team and motivate a team. Not use it as an excuse to the media. I'm sure all coaches look at the conference schedule. I don't see coaches complaining to the media about Saturday Monday turnarounds...I mean it'd be great for locker room talk to fire the guys up about how they hate us or they doubt us or its stacked against us. But you don't say that crap to media.
oscar does this all the time though.
"We haven’t had two home games in a row. Everyone else has had that. That hasn’t helped."
i checked this, assuming that weber was incorrect. but, credit where credit is due, kstate is the only big 12 team that hasn't had (or won't have) back to back home conference games. the schedulemakers grow ever more devious.
If oscar Weber is relieved of his coaching duties at the end of this season, I wouldn't be surprised if he had success somewhere else. Why? Because I believe in redemption for good people. Very few things have gone right for oscar Weber in his last three seasons. That's been well documented by Puff and learnin, so I won't go into detail on that. But I will say this. oscar Weber is NOT just an average coach. He's shown that he can compete with anyone when he has all hands on deck. I think the Angel Rodriguez defection started a spiral of bad fortune. The fact is, regardless of who is the coach at Kansas State, injuries, transfers and internal problems have to be kept at a minimum to guarantee success. We've had a rash of those things.
I also believe that the ugly, irrational and belligerent treatment of our coach, oscar Weber, by many fans, especially those on the Scout forum, placed a pall over Weber's last 3 years. In my opinion, it has contributed to the bad karma that has affected this team. I believe in fate and destiny and the forces that shape those inevitabilities.
Who would hire him when we axe him?Some mid-major will hire him and he will have success there. He was born to coach a mid-major.
https://twitter.com/DScottFritchen/status/836717255199162368
They're whatever is most palatable to their audience at the particular time.
“I hope they want to have success,” Weber said. “That’s the biggest thing. I can want it all I want, the coaches can want it, but they’ve got to want it, and then they’ve got to go do it. The opportunity is still there. It’s up to them to really just get their will going and their heart in the right place, and maybe make a couple shots, and maybe get a bounce, and maybe a call. That might help, too.”
“We’ve got a good group. It’s the same team that took Kansas to the wire and had a shot to win, the same team that beat West Virginia, went to Baylor and won, and we’re one of how many teams in the country to have two top-30 road wins? There’s a lot of good things there. Obviously, we’ve had some tough times. We’ve had some stuff that we can’t control and that’s life. There’s a lot of stuff you can’t control in life. You can pull out here and somebody hits you. I’ve had it happen before. I got hit by one of those mules a couple of weeks ago pulling out. It is what it is and you’ve just got to stay positive and help the guys. That’s my job."
I hate him
QuoteThere’s a lot of stuff you can’t control in life. You can pull out here and somebody hits you. I’ve had it happen before. I got hit by one of those mules a couple of weeks ago pulling out.
I think he means this John deer atvsthose are gators, mules are Kawasaki
Correct. Whoops.I think he means this John deer atvsthose are gators, mules are Kawasaki
Too bad oscar has to play everyone twice in our league, unlike his friends in the Big 10.
He talks about our league is just so tough, we had to fight it out with the 9th place team in the league (TCU). I guess he does not understand that we are crap too, that is why it was a dog fight.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article136037668.html
Too bad oscar has to play everyone twice in our league, unlike his friends in the Big 10.
He talks about our league is just so tough, we had to fight it out with the 9th place team in the league (TCU). I guess he does not understand that we are crap too, that is why it was a dog fight.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article136037668.html
“If we don’t get in, somebody better check on the publicity for our league,”
Iowa state?Too bad oscar has to play everyone twice in our league, unlike his friends in the Big 10.
He talks about our league is just so tough, we had to fight it out with the 9th place team in the league (TCU). I guess he does not understand that we are crap too, that is why it was a dog fight.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article136037668.html
Teams i consider good in the big 12
KU
Baylor
West Virginia
Oklahoma State
Lol I was hoping havs would say something but yes those guys as wellIowa state?Too bad oscar has to play everyone twice in our league, unlike his friends in the Big 10.
He talks about our league is just so tough, we had to fight it out with the 9th place team in the league (TCU). I guess he does not understand that we are crap too, that is why it was a dog fight.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article136037668.html
Teams i consider good in the big 12
KU
Baylor
West Virginia
Oklahoma State
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Iowa state?Too bad oscar has to play everyone twice in our league, unlike his friends in the Big 10.
He talks about our league is just so tough, we had to fight it out with the 9th place team in the league (TCU). I guess he does not understand that we are crap too, that is why it was a dog fight.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article136037668.html
Teams i consider good in the big 12
KU
Baylor
West Virginia
Oklahoma State
In fact I'd take out Oklahoma State if they don't win today...
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Being too hyped and too ready to play sounds like a problem that's easy to fix.
Being too hyped and too ready to play sounds like a problem that's easy to fix.as in, sean replaces oscar?
Sean does need to show he can coach without Dad's helpBeing too hyped and too ready to play sounds like a problem that's easy to fix.as in, sean replaces oscar?
Being too hyped and too ready to play sounds like a problem that's easy to fix.
I'm confident the problem will fix itself soon enough. oscar better not get credit for it though. These players are going to quit of their own free will, not because oscar strong arms them into it.
https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/939698777614618624:love: :love:
Brucexcuses is BITB at Brucexcusing
oscar also brought up KU losing in the halftime interview with Stan - he is some kind of savant at this
oscar also brought up KU losing in the halftime interview with Stan - he is some kind of savant at thisHe's not a savant; it's all about preparation. It's halftime, and Oscar has put aside coaching for the more critical Xing and Oing of Brucexcuses.
“The sad part is that it is a game where you really cannot coach,” Weber said. “They take the coaching out of your hands. Those guys have to play fast, but you might put them in spots. One time, they trapped the ball and screened. One time, they run-and-jump you, then they switch a ball-screen. You have to keep making the next play and when you get in the paint you have to make that right pass.”
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article192501029.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article192501029.html)Well that's better than his "they make you play basketball" quoteQuote“The sad part is that it is a game where you really cannot coach,” Weber said. “They take the coaching out of your hands. Those guys have to play fast, but you might put them in spots. One time, they trapped the ball and screened. One time, they run-and-jump you, then they switch a ball-screen. You have to keep making the next play and when you get in the paint you have to make that right pass.”
when you get in the paint you have to make that right pass.”:facepalm:
Quotewhen you get in the paint you have to make that right pass.”:facepalm:
I said it in the game thread, but I hate how we just hold the ball when we get it in against the press. He has them so scared to attack and it infuriates me.
It's no surprise he thinks his players should pass it when they get in the lane.
Who could have known that Stokes would get hurt
Who could have known that Stokes would get hurt
The thing is, we were much better without him today.
ankles....how far have you went on one before getting to the NBA?
Its fun to make fun of the Brucecuses and think he's going to be here forever and all that, but the guy has been fired once under similar circumstances. He may not feel a ton of heat yet, but its creeping in and will only compound itself as the season goes along with each loss. I'm not saying that to feel sorry for the guy making $2+ mil per, but he's not popping champagne with after losing one his best players and he's not just here to collect said paycheck. He wants to win and keep his job and he knows that this team took a huge hit, especially if Kam is gone for the year.
Its fun to make fun of the Brucecuses and think he's going to be here forever and all that, but the guy has been fired once under similar circumstances. He may not feel a ton of heat yet, but its creeping in and will only compound itself as the season goes along with each loss. I'm not saying that to feel sorry for the guy making $2+ mil per, but he's not popping champagne with after losing one his best players and he's not just here to collect said paycheck. He wants to win and keep his job and he knows that this team took a huge hit, especially if Kam is gone for the year.
well we saw him get fired and immediately thought "hey that would work for us" so I think he's good as long as he matches that performance. And even w/o Kam we aren't going to be as bad as that last Illinois season (IMO)
Do you think 6-12 in this year's big 12 is equivalent to 6-12 in that year's big 10Its fun to make fun of the Brucecuses and think he's going to be here forever and all that, but the guy has been fired once under similar circumstances. He may not feel a ton of heat yet, but its creeping in and will only compound itself as the season goes along with each loss. I'm not saying that to feel sorry for the guy making $2+ mil per, but he's not popping champagne with after losing one his best players and he's not just here to collect said paycheck. He wants to win and keep his job and he knows that this team took a huge hit, especially if Kam is gone for the year.
well we saw him get fired and immediately thought "hey that would work for us" so I think he's good as long as he matches that performance. And even w/o Kam we aren't going to be as bad as that last Illinois season (IMO)
I think this team could finish with the same record as that one. We may not see the 2-12 finish to end the year, but beating their 6-12 Big 10 record could be tough. oscar started out 15-3 and 4-1 with a win over a Final Four team that season before it fell apart.
Do you think 6-12 in this year's big 12 is equivalent to 6-12 in that year's big 10Its fun to make fun of the Brucecuses and think he's going to be here forever and all that, but the guy has been fired once under similar circumstances. He may not feel a ton of heat yet, but its creeping in and will only compound itself as the season goes along with each loss. I'm not saying that to feel sorry for the guy making $2+ mil per, but he's not popping champagne with after losing one his best players and he's not just here to collect said paycheck. He wants to win and keep his job and he knows that this team took a huge hit, especially if Kam is gone for the year.
well we saw him get fired and immediately thought "hey that would work for us" so I think he's good as long as he matches that performance. And even w/o Kam we aren't going to be as bad as that last Illinois season (IMO)
I think this team could finish with the same record as that one. We may not see the 2-12 finish to end the year, but beating their 6-12 Big 10 record could be tough. oscar started out 15-3 and 4-1 with a win over a Final Four team that season before it fell apart.
last 10 is pretty tough - especially the start and the finish.
home for KU
@ WVU
@ UT
home for TT
@ OSU
home for ISU
home for UT
@ OU
@ TCU
home for BU
oscar will get probably get TT at home but the road games outside of OSU will tough for a good team. This program really is in the bottom quarter of the conference.
_fan i usually don't condone this type of behavior but you need to send that to Gene
:Take the Bait:
Comment in the Mercury after loss to Tulsa.
What was Oscar really saying?
. “We got low-blowed. It didn’t feel good.”
You should flip the y-axis on the metrics chart, IMO
Is the terrible tickets sold this year reflective of a trend, or just that we are only at the start of Big XII play?
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this one is a good illustration of Weber's time here :hanged smiley:
Was that for the play-in game win?I assume it was several hours after we lost to OSU, when KU lost to Baylor and we clinched a share of the Big XII title
Was that for the play-in game win?
Was that for the play-in game win?I assume it was several hours after we lost to OSU, when KU lost to Baylor and we clinched a share of the Big XII title
it appears there are quite a few fans in the background, did they have a pep rally for it?Was that for the play-in game win?I assume it was several hours after we lost to OSU, when KU lost to Baylor and we clinched a share of the Big XII title
And roughly 40 years since the last conference championship but yeah youre right. No big deal.
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Its fun to make fun of the Brucecuses and think he's going to be here forever and all that, but the guy has been fired once under similar circumstances. He may not feel a ton of heat yet, but its creeping in and will only compound itself as the season goes along with each loss. I'm not saying that to feel sorry for the guy making $2+ mil per, but he's not popping champagne with after losing one his best players and he's not just here to collect said paycheck. He wants to win and keep his job and he knows that this team took a huge hit, especially if Kam is gone for the year.
well JOHN CURRIE saw him get fired and immediately thought "hey that would work for KSU" so I think he's good as long as he matches that performance. And even w/o Kam we aren't going to be as bad as that last Illinois season (IMO)
not quite right either. oscar "worked" for Currie and we let him put oscar in that position. We allow continued mediocrity because we have crap expectations. oscar would meet those expectations and be a squeaky clean yes man.Its fun to make fun of the Brucecuses and think he's going to be here forever and all that, but the guy has been fired once under similar circumstances. He may not feel a ton of heat yet, but its creeping in and will only compound itself as the season goes along with each loss. I'm not saying that to feel sorry for the guy making $2+ mil per, but he's not popping champagne with after losing one his best players and he's not just here to collect said paycheck. He wants to win and keep his job and he knows that this team took a huge hit, especially if Kam is gone for the year.
well JOHN CURRIE saw him get fired and immediately thought "hey that would work for KSU" so I think he's good as long as he matches that performance. And even w/o Kam we aren't going to be as bad as that last Illinois season (IMO)
There, I fixed your post.
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https://twitter.com/ChasenScott/status/952262659570888704
also nearly every bad call was almost always offset by an equally bad makeup call
I mean it was pretty bad but I think our end-of-half defense was worse
also nearly every bad call was almost always offset by an equally bad makeup call