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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: #LIFE on April 10, 2015, 04:37:21 PM
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We read a lot of posts that try to equate the player mutiny, which happened under Coach Martin, to the transfers taking place this year. We are asked, "what's the difference?" I thought the difference was sufficiently explained but the posts continue. I thought I'd try another approach since some seem to believe that Nigel, Jevon and, possibly, Malek are leaving because of Coach Weber.
Let's say that Nigel, Jevon and Malek really want to stay at K-State but they simply can't stand Weber. Why didn't they band together and make a stand like their predecessors did with Martin? With all the fans, who have never liked the Weber hire; and now with all these fans being lathered up into a frenzy by Marcus and Tre's dismissal; wouldn't it have behooved them to take a stand? They would have had a good amount of sympathy from the malcontents.
We have several explanations, here.
1. One, or more, really didn't want to be in Manhattan, with, or without, Weber.
2. One, or more, wanted to be here, even with Weber, but thought the incoming commits were good enough to
get substantial minutes.
3. They didn't think their on court performance warranted a challenge against the Athletic Department. In other
words, their absence would not cause next year to be worse than this year.
For all, who care to consider this with reason instead of emotion, please understand. The player mutiny, under Frank's tenure, took place because numerous, solidly, performing players took a stand. Some want to claim it was only two players. You know better than this. They took the stand because their departure would have crippled the program for the next few years. One does not undertake such a risky challenge unless one has numbers and strength...bargaining power if you will.
Please read and understand.
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We don't know better, #Life, and I have a good feeling you don't either.
Also, enjoy your Webber. You deserve it.
Please go eff yourself and understand.
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oscar has lost all but one scholarship high school player he has recruited. If you want to use reason like you say, don't excuse a real mutiny and defend a rumored one that never occurred.
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astute analysis, life. thankfully we now have a coach that is wise enough to never again allow a group of players to seize that kind of bargaining power.
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:lol:
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It's 2 guys.
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Does it matter if the players left on their own or were told to gtfo? oscar shouldn't get more time because of it, especially since they were all his guys. If he recruits some guys that get in trouble with the law and consequently get kicked off the team, does that buy him more time? No it doesn't, because he shouldn't have recruited those guys. He is the one, and only one that has the final say who comes to play for him. Results are results after that.
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Ill be buying season tix this year to support the team. Cut to that chase.
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We don't know better, #Life, and I have a good feeling you don't either.
Also, enjoy your Webber. You deserve it.
Please go eff yourself and understand.
oscar has lost all but one scholarship high school player he has recruited. If you want to use reason like you say, don't excuse a real mutiny and defend a rumored one that never occurred.
you guys, seriously?
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Does being the leading scorer not place you under the solidly performing category?
I know Foster wasn't as good as last year but this isn't Roehleder leaving the team.
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We don't know better, #Life, and I have a good feeling you don't either.
Also, enjoy your Webber. You deserve it.
Please go eff yourself and understand.
Every now and then I come across a post by a top poster that I really enjoy.
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I believe this is a very accurate summation of the situation. Most of us are still drunk on the wine of that elite 8 year. As I've written before, it was intoxicating. As with any high, it leaves one wanting more; needing more. That high was brought to us by the best guard tandem this nation has seen in a while. It doesn't mean that we can't get back to an elite 8. With everything falling into place, we could get there next year. Stranger things have happened. It simply means that it won't be easy for any coach to pull off at K-State. Even with Denis and Jake, we could, easily, have fallen before the elite 8. The Xavier game could have gone either way.
I believe oscar Weber is the best possible coach K-State could have gotten after Frank left. Gor wrote that he didn't feel Weber was top 25. I don't often disagree with Gor but I do on this one. I believe Coach Weber is in the top 15.
oscar Weber coached in one of America's toughest basketball leagues. He had to go head to head with Matta, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan. You ought to try and go into Assembly Hall to play the Hoosiers even when they're down.
Currie picked up a high winning percentage coach; a coach who battled some of the best coaches, in one of the best conferences, in the nation; a coach who has gone to the national championship; a coach who gave a mid major some national respect. It was a no brainer, IMHO. What coach was Currie going to get who would bring a better resume'? No one unless that coach had baggage.
IMHO, we better hope that Coach Weber can get this thing turned around. I, for one, believe he will get it turned around to the point where we can be competitive, in this conference, and have good hope to make the dance and advance. Even with the issues this year, we still beat good teams and, with a few more wins over the bad teams, would have been in the top half of the conference.
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I believe this is a very accurate summation of the situation. Most of us are still drunk on the wine of that elite 8 year. As I've written before, it was intoxicating. As with any high, it leaves one wanting more; needing more. That high was brought to us by the best guard tandem this nation has seen in a while. It doesn't mean that we can't get back to an elite 8. With everything falling into place, we could get there next year. Stranger things have happened. It simply means that it won't be easy for any coach to pull off at K-State. Even with Denis and Jake, we could, easily, have fallen before the elite 8. The Xavier game could have gone either way.
I believe oscar Weber is the best possible coach K-State could have gotten after Frank left. Gor wrote that he didn't feel Weber was top 25. I don't often disagree with Gor but I do on this one. I believe Coach Weber is in the top 15.
oscar Weber coached in one of America's toughest basketball leagues. He had to go head to head with Matta, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan. You ought to try and go into Assembly Hall to play the Hoosiers even when they're down.
Currie picked up a high winning percentage coach; a coach who battled some of the best coaches, in one of the best conferences, in the nation; a coach who has gone to the national championship; a coach who gave a mid major some national respect. It was a no brainer, IMHO. What coach was Currie going to get who would bring a better resume'? No one unless that coach had baggage.
IMHO, we better hope that Coach Weber can get this thing turned around. I, for one, believe he will get it turned around to the point where we can be competitive, in this conference, and have good hope to make the dance and advance. Even with the issues this year, we still beat good teams and, with a few more wins over the bad teams, would have been in the top half of the conference.
Every time I see one of these posts I want to find the person and put on a jean jacket
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"I believe oscar Weber is the best possible coach K-State could have gotten after Frank left. "
This is the most unfactual piece of garbage that the sunshine pumpers throw around. My god it's just terrible.
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We don't know better, #Life, and I have a good feeling you don't either.
Also, enjoy your Webber. You deserve it.
Please go eff yourself and understand.
oscar has lost all but one scholarship high school player he has recruited. If you want to use reason like you say, don't excuse a real mutiny and defend a rumored one that never occurred.
you guys, seriously?
Yea, I even saw myself doing it
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It depresses me we have fans who feel this way. It's one thing to know they exist but it's another thing entirely to see them write their thoughts out.
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Top 15!
Gonna win 'em all!
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Just another internet rumor to float out there, started by pharaoh. Weber has talked about the importance of keeping that first group intact, and the challenge that presented. If Angel wasn't granted his release that season, then why was it granted the next? The answer is, he didn't want a release the first year because he was challenged by Weber to get better, and Weber showed him the path to get better. Weber and his assistants coached the hell out of Angel that season and look at the results. Angel was a wild, undisciplined point guard his first season. He was immeasurably better the next season - far exceeding expectations with his selection as second team All Big 12. So Angel leaving the following season (the one that most people are saying was pretty pedestrian) was a huge blow to the program. That's why Weber's second year, in some ways was just as impressive as his first. He lost his leading scorer, McGruder, who probably garnered the second most votes for POY in the Big 12, along with Angel. Then he had to rely on a corp of freshman to contribute along with a solid, but not spectacular group of 3-star upperclassmen. I put Weber's second season on the level of overachieving
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Brucketball through 2018 at least.
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Just another internet rumor to float out there, started by pharaoh. Weber has talked about the importance of keeping that first group intact, and the challenge that presented. If Angel wasn't granted his release that season, then why was it granted the next? The answer is, he didn't want a release the first year because he was challenged by Weber to get better, and Weber showed him the path to get better. Weber and his assistants coached the hell out of Angel that season and look at the results. Angel was a wild, undisciplined point guard his first season. He was immeasurably better the next season - far exceeding expectations with his selection as second team All Big 12. So Angel leaving the following season (the one that most people are saying was pretty pedestrian) was a huge blow to the program. That's why Weber's second year, in some ways was just as impressive as his first. He lost his leading scorer, McGruder, who probably garnered the second most votes for POY in the Big 12, along with Angel. Then he had to rely on a corp of freshman to contribute along with a solid, but not spectacular group of 3-star upperclassmen. I put Weber's second season on the level of overachieving
I hate that this is justification for a miserable season, but it's undeniably true.
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Just another internet rumor to float out there, started by pharaoh. Weber has talked about the importance of keeping that first group intact, and the challenge that presented. If Angel wasn't granted his release that season, then why was it granted the next? The answer is, he didn't want a release the first year because he was challenged by Weber to get better, and Weber showed him the path to get better. Weber and his assistants coached the hell out of Angel that season and look at the results. Angel was a wild, undisciplined point guard his first season. He was immeasurably better the next season - far exceeding expectations with his selection as second team All Big 12. So Angel leaving the following season (the one that most people are saying was pretty pedestrian) was a huge blow to the program. That's why Weber's second year, in some ways was just as impressive as his first. He lost his leading scorer, McGruder, who probably garnered the second most votes for POY in the Big 12, along with Angel. Then he had to rely on a corp of freshman to contribute along with a solid, but not spectacular group of 3-star upperclassmen. I put Weber's second season on the level of overachieving
Yup, I mean oscar hasn't really had a bad year yet.
Year 1: Won the conference (Great Year)
Year 2: Betrayed by Angel, had to overcome losing pg, but still gutted it out and ended up in the top half of the conference (Great Year [considering the circumstances])
Year 3: Betrayed by Foster and his terrible attitude which lead to team mutiny of sorts (mulligan, not his fault)
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2 great years and a pass, who would fire a coach after that?
Year 4: oscar cleans house, fills roster with "right fits" and while not as many W's materialize as wanted the team is playing the right way
year 5: The team catches some good breaks and makes the NIT (improvement!)
Year 6: Just plain bad luck guys, key transfer or injury derails what would have surely been an NCAA tournament appearance (mulligan)
Year 7: Everything lines up just right and we snag a 12 seed, but get bounced in the first round (extension)
yup yup yup...
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Just another internet rumor to float out there, started by pharaoh. Weber has talked about the importance of keeping that first group intact, and the challenge that presented. If Angel wasn't granted his release that season, then why was it granted the next? The answer is, he didn't want a release the first year because he was challenged by Weber to get better, and Weber showed him the path to get better. Weber and his assistants coached the hell out of Angel that season and look at the results. Angel was a wild, undisciplined point guard his first season. He was immeasurably better the next season - far exceeding expectations with his selection as second team All Big 12. So Angel leaving the following season (the one that most people are saying was pretty pedestrian) was a huge blow to the program. That's why Weber's second year, in some ways was just as impressive as his first. He lost his leading scorer, McGruder, who probably garnered the second most votes for POY in the Big 12, along with Angel. Then he had to rely on a corp of freshman to contribute along with a solid, but not spectacular group of 3-star upperclassmen. I put Weber's second season on the level of overachieving
Yup, I mean oscar hasn't really had a bad year yet.
Year 1: Won the conference (Great Year)
Year 2: Betrayed by Angel, had to overcome losing pg, but still gutted it out and ended up in the top half of the conference (Great Year [considering the circumstances])
Year 3: Betrayed by Foster and his terrible attitude which lead to team mutiny of sorts (mulligan, not his fault)
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2 great years and a pass, who would fire a coach after that?
Year 4: oscar cleans house, fills roster with "right fits" and while not as many W's materialize as wanted the team is playing the right way
year 5: The team catches some good breaks and makes the NIT (improvement!)
Year 6: Just plain bad luck guys, key transfer or injury derails what would have surely been an NCAA tournament appearance (mulligan)
Year 7: Everything lines up just right and we snag a 12 seed, but get bounced in the first round (extension)
yup yup yup...
Give oscar some credit... he might win one tournament game if he is here for four more years.
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Give oscar some credit... he might win one tournament game if he is here for four more years.
Do you mean a Big 12 tournament game? Because I don't see any NCAA tournament wins for the 'Cats while oscar is coaching them.
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Give oscar some credit... he might win one tournament game if he is here for four more years.
Do you mean a Big 12 tournament game? Because I don't see any NCAA tournament wins for the 'Cats while oscar is coaching them.
You do seem genuinely angry. I hope everything is okay.
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Give oscar some credit... he might win one tournament game if he is here for four more years.
Do you mean a Big 12 tournament game? Because I don't see any NCAA tournament wins for the 'Cats while oscar is coaching them.
You do seem genuinely angry. I hope everything is okay.
I am genuinely angry that our athletic director forced out a successful basketball coach and replaced him with a proven failure. I'm also genuinely angry that so many K-State fans are still willing to give oscar the benefit of the doubt when he hasn't done anything to earn it.
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But you wanted to count him as one who left of his own volition - which now you can't. Neither can you count Marcus or the other Harris. Jack didn't play, so he left (big surprise). Nigel complained about playing time so he left (no surprise) and Jevon left because he was homesick, and apparently really needs to "grow up". So what's all the hullabaloo? This doesn't even come close to the Martin uprising where 6 or 7 players wanted to leave because of his abusive behavior.
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lol
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But you wanted to count him as one who left of his own volition - which now you can't. Neither can you count Marcus or the other Harris. Jack didn't play, so he left (big surprise). Nigel complained about playing time so he left (no surprise) and Jevon left because he was homesick, and apparently really needs to "grow up". So what's all the hullabaloo? This doesn't even come close to the Martin uprising where 6 or 7 players wanted to leave because of his abusive behavior.
The only way 6 or 7 players were leaving is if you count zips on Sprad's face as players.
edit: That little bitch was going nowhere too. What other high major was going to take him?
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But you wanted to count him as one who left of his own volition - which now you can't. Neither can you count Marcus or the other Harris. Jack didn't play, so he left (big surprise). Nigel complained about playing time so he left (no surprise) and Jevon left because he was homesick, and apparently really needs to "grow up". So what's all the hullabaloo? This doesn't even come close to the Martin uprising where 6 or 7 players wanted to leave because of his abusive behavior.
The only way 6 or 7 players were leaving is if you count zips on Sprad's face as players.
edit: That little bitch was going nowhere too. What other high major was going to take him?
UNC
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I don't understand why people are so devout in their delusion that Will Spradling wasn't a high major player. He was a three year starter on a team that went to three ncaa tournaments and won the big 12. Stop being Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Did you used to watch him play?
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It is just pure hating on Weber.
I personally think trophies are important. You can say 09-10 was better. Not sure I agree. We lost games that year we should not have lost. We lost to bad teams at home that year, ISU and OSU. We lost to a very average Ole Miss team that year. Other than a nice run in the tourney, that year was not as good as the 2012-13 season. That team SHOULD have been better, SHOULD have won the league, but they played down to their competition a few times, and they didn't win anything to put in the trophy case.
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Nor is it good that the employees fail a drug test 100%. Why don't you go to work stoned or go to work and brag about how you "tore it up" over the weekend with your buddies smoking weed and see how your employer handles it.
You guys don't get it, do you? What part of kids getting dismissed for drug violations don't you like? Is it the kids not being allowed to smoke weed and represent the university that bothers you?
You guys making these statements makes me think you are alright with kids breaking rules about drug use and Weber and the school should allow it. I feel sorry for your kids if your a parent and raise them to believe that doing drugs is OK and there are no rules with regards to smoking weed in your house. Great parenting skills if that's the case.
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I'd be more concerned with failing to teach your kids the proper usage of the word "your". It's a hard, cold world out there for people who don't know English.
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Here's how I break it down.
1. We'll be significantly more productive at the point guard position. This means a great deal in the scheme of things.
Success begins right here and that means we already have an advantage over last year.
2. Wes is back and I look for a more focused and, thus, more consistent production from this young man all the way around. He was slow out of the gate and I believe his heart was torn last year. He won't have that distraction this year.
3. Dean will, at his position, more than replace what we lost through graduation.
4. Big Meat will step up his game this year. I look for 12-14 ppg. production.
5. Justin will continue his late season improvement.
6. The Flush will help fill the void left by Marcus and will break double figure scoring.
7. DJamer will provide us with better rebounding than we had from other players last year.
Overall the attitude, and energy, will be much better. Vulture and DJamer will provide needed positive inspiration to the younger players. I have failed to mention a few players. It's not because I feel they won't contribute but, rather, I just don't know enough about them to make a prediction.
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Wow. I'll bet Hurt averages 25.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Nor is it good that the employees fail a drug test 100%. Why don't you go to work stoned or go to work and brag about how you "tore it up" over the weekend with your buddies smoking weed and see how your employer handles it.
You guys don't get it, do you? What part of kids getting dismissed for drug violations don't you like? Is it the kids not being allowed to smoke weed and represent the university that bothers you?
You guys making these statements makes me think you are alright with kids breaking rules about drug use and Weber and the school should allow it. I feel sorry for your kids if your a parent and raise them to believe that doing drugs is OK and there are no rules with regards to smoking weed in your house. Great parenting skills if that's the case.
It's not like I'm expecting much, but it always blows my mind how many idiots don't know how piss tests work. "He failed a test, he must be high RIGHT NOW!"
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Most think Weber won't make it 3 years, huh? They'd better hope he does. They should keep one thing in mind. There aren't too many Bob Huggins left out there
Yes, the hype is building at an alarming rate. The transition to D-1 ball will be tough, no doubt. What should be expect from D-Wade this season? Nothing more than the best he can do. If that means he starts, then he starts. If it means he comes off the bench, then that's OK also. If it means he averages 5 points per game - that's also OK. But if he scores in double figures for the year, I won't be surprised. In other words, let's all let the young man develop at his own rate. With every freshman, there will be growing pains. He will have some highlight moments, and he'll have some stinkers. I'm just glad we have him and not the other guys.
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If he doesn't develop overnight, we will be shitty at BB for a very long time.
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After his ID was outed, PDave is having the meltdowns of meltdowns right now. Dropping Fbombs and threatening lawsuits. Pretty entertaining material if you have the time.
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After his ID was outed, PDave is having the meltdowns of meltdowns right now. Dropping Fbombs and threatening lawsuits. Pretty entertaining material if you have the time.
lol
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link the right thread to look in, please.
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Haven't looked over there yet, but he pretty much limits himself to the MBB forum.
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I actually hope he goes off the deep end and kills himself or something. He loves bashing our teenage student-athletes, mainly the ones of minority races that aren't pasty white, but goes into a violent fit of rage if someone says anything questionable about oscar. Is Dave oscar? :Wha:
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i guess it must be this one.
http://www.scout.com/college/kansas-state/forums/2671-men-s-hoops/13914592-2015-kansas-all-star-game
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Catter95 wrote: Well, congrats to you Dave. Maybe you should spend more time with your grandchildren and cats as opposed to being a complete jerk on here. You make me sick that you represented my University as an athlete. Maybe you should spend more time on that project you're working on for Drake and less time badgering posters for not putting aside family for an all star game. Would the people you photograph for appreciate your persona on this website? I'd be embarrassed to be associated. Maybe Drake University and the people of Pleasant Hill should be alerted of what they're dealing with???
--- pulitzerdave wrote:
You made a huge miscalculation by revealing personal information about me on a public forum. What you did was illegal and against the law. My attorney has been notified, and I've emailed your post to him. You can easily be traced through your IP address, and he will notify me tomorrow as to whether an invasion of privacy lawsuit will be filed.
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:lol:
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And so it goes
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He will notify him the answer "no"
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So, in the final analysis, does anyone know specifically who pDave is? And does anybody care?
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Assuming everything attributed to PDave is true, there's no case for defamation of the real person hiding behind the username.
He will notify him the answer "no"
I don't know about Kansas (or wherever Catter lives) but in Illinois, PDave has the law exactly backwards: You have no right to be an anonymous troll.
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/06/18/illinois-high-court-comcast-must-reveal-anonymous-commenter
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Pdave attorney is loading up a YouTube subpoena as we speak
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If he doesn't actually have a Pulitzer, or if he's not a member of the Pulitzer family (decedent by blood of Joseph) then those groups might care. I mean, he could be seen as tarnishing their brand.
So, in the final analysis, does anyone know specifically who pDave is? And does anybody care?
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So, in the final analysis, does anyone know specifically who pDave is? And does anybody care?
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-peterson/10/20b/609
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of course he lives in iowa.
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of course he lives in iowa.
And he graduated from....KU?
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"What you did was illegal and against the law" :lol:
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pdave seems to be an interesting person. Clearly not a lawyer, however.
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does legalzoom handle this sort of thing? :Ugh: