Post by: HamBoned on March 27, 2015, 11:37:41 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on March 27, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
Post by: HamBoned on March 27, 2015, 11:40:22 AM
also this :ksu:
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 11:50:26 AM
DJamer
Westicles
Bolden
Edwards
M Harris
Hurt
Post by: HamBoned on March 27, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
Welp.
DJamerOrrisFoster
WesticlesJohnsonKarapetyanThomas
Bolden
EdwardsT Harris
M Harris
Hurt
You can probably cross DJamer off that list as well. With his foot healing as poorly as it did, it's doubtful that he plays basketball again.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 12:02:09 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 12:03:23 PM
Welp.
DJamerFoster
WesticlesJohnsonThomas
Bolden
Edwards
M Harris
Hurt
Who gives a crap about Freshmen moving on. It is the effing Juniors to be leaving, it can't happen. Absolutely can't, they should be beyond the point of no return.
We are about to go back to back to back with roster with 4 or less upperclassmen. Next year DJamer (4th year) Edwards (3rd), Westicles (3rd), Hurt (2nd), Malek (2nd) and a bunch of fresh meat.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 27, 2015, 12:03:58 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on March 27, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
Welp.
DJamerOrrisFoster
WesticlesJohnsonKarapetyanThomas
Bolden
EdwardsT Harris
M Harris
Hurt
what an absolutely shitty list. to see it laid out like that. wow.
Post by: meow meow on March 27, 2015, 12:05:21 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 27, 2015, 12:08:37 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 12:09:36 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
It's so honorable when oscar does it though, I mean he's white for Christ's sake.
Post by: meow meow on March 27, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
yeah I wish we could get some answers from Currie
Post by: The Whale on March 27, 2015, 12:10:14 PM
Welp.
DJamerOrrisFoster
WesticlesJohnsonKarapetyanThomas
Bolden
EdwardsT Harris
M Harris
Hurt
At least the donors aren't forcing him to recruit players he can't coach. Thank God for small miracles, huh?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 12:10:27 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
Yeah.
Mixed, losing this many freshmen when you also lose guys that have been here magnifies the problem. So it matters to me.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 27, 2015, 12:12:59 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 12:14:24 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."Cleaning House and Mass defections are the exact same thing, should both result in the same thing.
Post by: AppleJack on March 27, 2015, 12:14:32 PM
Post by: HamBoned on March 27, 2015, 12:16:23 PM
Post by: HamBoned on March 27, 2015, 12:17:10 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2015, 12:19:07 PM
Post by: ltrain on March 27, 2015, 12:19:37 PM
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW MARCUS?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 12:20:56 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
Yeah.
Mixed, losing this many freshmen when you also lose guys that have been here magnifies the problem. So it matters to me.
I think Keeping Orris, Krap and Harris would of been bigger failures. It would be compounding a failure getting to the point of recruiting all of those guys it a failure in itself.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 12:23:47 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
there's still just a ton of smoke and nothing official.
I bet Fitz and his cronies would be rushing to squash this rumor if it weren't true, to save the reputation of their bud oscar. Although, it could be that they don't know any inside info about K-State sports, pretty much ever, so they have to stay quiet until someone else says something definitive.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2015, 12:33:45 PM
Welp.
DJamerFoster
WesticlesJohnsonThomas
Bolden
Edwards
M Harris
Hurt
Who gives a crap about Freshmen moving on. It is the effing Juniors to be leaving, it can't happen. Absolutely can't, they should be beyond the point of no return.
We are about to go back to back to back with roster with 4 or less upperclassmen. Next year DJamer (4th year) Edwards (3rd), Westicles (3rd), Hurt (2nd), Malek (2nd) and a bunch of fresh meat.
:lol: mixed nutz continues to amaze
Post by: j rake on March 27, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/33144/illinois-looking-for-an-attitude-adjustment
Post by: MeatSauce on March 27, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 27, 2015, 12:46:15 PM
this article might foreshadow what's ahead for k-state in 2015-16 (minus the presence of an NBA-level 7-footer, of course).
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/33144/illinois-looking-for-an-attitude-adjustment
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article16479803.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article16479803.html)
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
this article might foreshadow what's ahead for k-state in 2015-16 (minus the presence of an NBA-level 7-footer, of course).
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/33144/illinois-looking-for-an-attitude-adjustment
This is so oscar.
Quote
Now it'll be up to Weber to rebuild a team with more of a winning attitude. He'll get a head start on it as the Illini head to Italy in August for a preseason tour and some much-needed bonding time.
Thus far, the signs have been positive.
"I think this whole group is coachable," Weber told ESPN Chicago. "I think the other guys ... it was misconstrued they weren't coachable. I think they had limitations. They could only do so much with strength and physicality.
"I think maybe that extra discipline, that extra toughness, that extra work ethic, maybe they learn from the others. I tell them all the time to learn from past experiences, from others' experiences, their failures, so you can have success."
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
Delicious
Post by: ednksu on March 27, 2015, 12:47:35 PM
Yeah, my point is the fact we recruited that many guys and missed is a big part of the problem. I don't separate recruiting that far from managing the players, they are inherently connected. JMHO.My point is that maybe we shouldn't look at this as an issue of missing on players, since many of them obviously have talent, but maybe entirely based around coach management. I think we shouldn't be talking about missing on players and attitudes of players, instead focus on wtf the adults we're paying millions of dollars are doing to manage their jobs.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 27, 2015, 12:48:30 PM
Harris wasn't anywhere close to the failures Krap and Orris were. If Tre can overcome his debilitating addiction to the wacky tabbacky he has already proven he can be an effective scorer off the bench in a P5 league.I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
Yeah.
Mixed, losing this many freshmen when you also lose guys that have been here magnifies the problem. So it matters to me.
I think Keeping Orris, Krap and Harris would of been bigger failures. It would be compounding a failure getting to the point of recruiting all of those guys it a failure in itself.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 12:50:27 PM
Yeah, my point is the fact we recruited that many guys and missed is a big part of the problem. I don't separate recruiting that far from managing the players, they are inherently connected. JMHO.My point is that maybe we shouldn't look at this as an issue of missing on players, since many of them obviously have talent, but maybe entirely based around coach management. I think we shouldn't be talking about missing on players and attitudes of players, instead focus on wtf the adults we're paying millions of dollars are doing to manage their jobs.
Umm, that was my point too. Did you infer something from that as a defense of oscar?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 12:59:39 PM
Yeah, my point is the fact we recruited that many guys and missed is a big part of the problem. I don't separate recruiting that far from managing the players, they are inherently connected. JMHO.
I don't think the recruiting has been bad, It is maintaining the locker that is the issue. But for some reason oscar can't stop tripping over his own feet. He can't maintain. He is now in a big hole and needs a big recruiting push to get out of it. He is not going to get that push. I would be a good time to reset.
If we didn't completely exploded this year, I think oscar would be very close to continuously landing what a K-State should look like. I think Chester is starting to get feel for the game. I think the 2015 class is pretty solid. I think we had what we need in the 2013 class. Fincher not qualifing really hurt, put us behind the 8 ball and it snowed balled. That is on the staff. We did get whipped in 2014. Trey was behind Nate Mason, Jevon Bess and Troy Holston. We completed whiffed on a 2 or 3. You can miss three times in row. We also missed on Michael Gilmore, that also sucks. But I think Hurt made sense for what we needed. It was the first battle the staff really won. We also backed into Malek when Buzz left and that was nice.
I spent sometime creeping on recruits during lunch. They have notice Marcus getting the boot and it is not a good look for us. oscar is in such a hole. He is done.
Post by: j rake on March 27, 2015, 01:01:22 PM
this article might foreshadow what's ahead for k-state in 2015-16 (minus the presence of an NBA-level 7-footer, of course).
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/33144/illinois-looking-for-an-attitude-adjustment
This is so oscar.QuoteNow it'll be up to Weber to rebuild a team with more of a winning attitude. He'll get a head start on it as the Illini head to Italy in August for a preseason tour and some much-needed bonding time.
Thus far, the signs have been positive.
"I think this whole group is coachable," Weber told ESPN Chicago. "I think the other guys ... it was misconstrued they weren't coachable. I think they had limitations. They could only do so much with strength and physicality.
"I think maybe that extra discipline, that extra toughness, that extra work ethic, maybe they learn from the others. I tell them all the time to learn from past experiences, from others' experiences, their failures, so you can have success."
it's pretty funny that k-state spent $1.8 million on a guy who begins his sentences with "i think maybe."
Post by: CHONGS on March 27, 2015, 01:03:43 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
Does this make you any less confident that we'll retain oscar through 2020?
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2015, 01:05:59 PM
a) our recruiting has been dogshit (outside of foster). if there is a recent trend here it is negative (negative from dogshit is pretty bad guys)
b) oscar is an unlikable weirdo who cannot handle or get along with his players. this isn't a new thing since he arrived at ksu. it was well documented prior to him getting here.
I mean, where does that leave us? are we just hoping that these things suddenly change because oscar lost half of the team? why not just bite the bullet and fire him now? there is almost zero chance that this thing turns around.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
It very well could be a capacity error.
Post by: CHONGS on March 27, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
No it makes me more confident. Our Athletic Department is likely the one out there smearing players in leaks to the press. Currie knows what commodity he bought and currently has. Simply hiring a coach who was just fired from a program that was recently worse than your own tell you that a winning BBall program is not a priority.I think we can all say that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
Does this make you any less confident that we'll retain oscar through 2020?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2015, 01:14:03 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
yes, if you are a huge loser
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2015, 01:15:10 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
yes, if you are a huge loser
:sdeek: :lol:
Post by: ednksu on March 27, 2015, 01:15:49 PM
Yeah, my point is the fact we recruited that many guys and missed is a big part of the problem. I don't separate recruiting that far from managing the players, they are inherently connected. JMHO.My point is that maybe we shouldn't look at this as an issue of missing on players, since many of them obviously have talent, but maybe entirely based around coach management. I think we shouldn't be talking about missing on players and attitudes of players, instead focus on wtf the adults we're paying millions of dollars are doing to manage their jobs.
Umm, that was my point too. Did you infer something from that as a defense of oscar?
Not a defense of oscar implicitly, no. What I'm advocating is that knowledgeable K-Staters like yourself need to quash any reference missing on players or bad attitudes. That language still implies there is an issue with the player which needs to be managed or integrated into a good team dynamic. What I'm saying is that we need to look at what is going wrong with the team dynamic, and its pretty clear with oscar's track record here and at the Fightin' Breads that the dynamic falters first is with oscar and everything else becomes secondary. I think we need to shift the conversation away from player management and and towards the manager. Obviously we have players that can perform, its just a matter of keeping oscar from wrecking up the team.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 27, 2015, 01:17:43 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years and has 0 NCAA tourney wins. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
good rough ridin' lord.
Post by: catzacker on March 27, 2015, 01:21:51 PM
Post by: CNS on March 27, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
couple facts:Our fans mentality is to find kids who don't hold the same apparent ability as higher rated kids. Then take them, work them, coach them, and develop them. Maybe currie is caught up in this and thinks that oscar has that diamond in him but needs some more rough removed.
a) our recruiting has been dogshit (outside of foster). if there is a recent trend here it is negative (negative from dogshit is pretty bad guys)
b) oscar is an unlikable weirdo who cannot handle or get along with his players. this isn't a new thing since he arrived at ksu. it was well documented prior to him getting here.
I mean, where does that leave us? are we just hoping that these things suddenly change because oscar lost half of the team? why not just bite the bullet and fire him now? there is almost zero chance that this thing turns around.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2015, 01:23:50 PM
Wow, with each transfer/dsimissal, oscar gets an additional year. It's simply amazing.
oscar should die his hair, change his name and then just tell everyone that he's here to clean up the mess that the previous staff left. make people start calling coach ricky. say stuff like "well i don't care how the previous guy did it. we're going to do it this way!"
Post by: Gooch on March 27, 2015, 01:24:20 PM
Mythbuster has already confirmed that you can't polish a turd.couple facts:Our fans mentality is to find kids who don't hold the same apparent ability as higher rated kids. Then take them, work them, coach them, and develop them. Maybe currie is caught up in this and thinks that oscar has that diamond in him but needs some more rough removed.
a) our recruiting has been dogshit (outside of foster). if there is a recent trend here it is negative (negative from dogshit is pretty bad guys)
b) oscar is an unlikable weirdo who cannot handle or get along with his players. this isn't a new thing since he arrived at ksu. it was well documented prior to him getting here.
I mean, where does that leave us? are we just hoping that these things suddenly change because oscar lost half of the team? why not just bite the bullet and fire him now? there is almost zero chance that this thing turns around.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 27, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
Delicious
My next favorite bit of irony is oscar talking about players not being accountable when he has taken no accountability.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 27, 2015, 01:26:04 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2015, 01:26:42 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 27, 2015, 01:29:51 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 27, 2015, 01:31:27 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
I've talked to several IRL people who DO want him here anymore. Not old grandpas either. Like under 35 year old fans.
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2015, 01:33:58 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
I've talked to several IRL people who DO want him here anymore. Not old grandpas either. Like under 35 year old fans.
oscar Weber has made me seriously reconsider some of my friendships. I really can't understand wanting to give him any more time at this point. Yet, here we are, and plenty of people are rough ridin' stoked that he's "cleaning up this program", like it was somebody else's mess.
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2015, 01:34:55 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2015, 01:40:39 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
Post by: illBisonYourdele on March 27, 2015, 02:01:20 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2015, 02:06:26 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 27, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
he loved nigel, this is his denial stage. please give him space to grieve.
Post by: RickRampus on March 27, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
guys, we will be fineWho the eff is this and tell me he is a walk on ?
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Post by: HamBoned on March 27, 2015, 02:38:35 PM
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2015, 02:43:10 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 27, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
guys, we will be fineWho the eff is this and tell me he is a walk on ?
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Evan Beucler. Walk-on.
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Post by: RickRampus on March 27, 2015, 03:07:12 PM
Thanks, I needed that :throws a bottle of emptied Jack on the ground:guys, we will be fineWho the eff is this and tell me he is a walk on ?
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Evan Beucler. Walk-on.
Post by: jtksu on March 27, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
I can not overstate the irony of the shield of "cleaning house" being wielded by the same people that argued Frank being forced out prevented "mass defections" because Frank had "lost the team."
Yeah.
Mixed, losing this many freshmen when you also lose guys that have been here magnifies the problem. So it matters to me.
I think Keeping Orris, Krap and Harris would of been bigger failures. It would be compounding a failure getting to the point of recruiting all of those guys it a failure in itself.
I totally forgot Orris even existed. Also, how was recruiting and signing Harris a bad thing?
Post by: The Whale on March 27, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
Have also heard Edwards has been missing workouts..... :dunno:
If Edwards leaves too, I mean, I don't even
Post by: CNS on March 27, 2015, 05:36:19 PM
opcorn:
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2015, 05:44:46 PM
:)
Post by: Cire on March 27, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
Post by: Rock Lobster on March 27, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
I hope Edwards and Nigel both leave
:thumbs:
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on March 27, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
Post by: BackPayne on March 27, 2015, 05:59:11 PM
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2015, 06:08:03 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2015, 06:18:31 PM
Post by: Cire on March 27, 2015, 06:25:22 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2015, 06:33:37 PM
It was a crappy season but oscar is doing everything he can to turn it around, including getting rid of the riff raff!
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Post by: scottwildcat on March 27, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
Post by: That_Guy on March 27, 2015, 06:57:02 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
I've talked to several IRL people who DO want him here anymore. Not old grandpas either. Like under 35 year old fans.
oscar Weber has made me seriously reconsider some of my friendships. I really can't understand wanting to give him any more time at this point. Yet, here we are, and plenty of people are rough ridin' stoked that he's "cleaning up this program", like it was somebody else's mess.
I've done the exact same thing.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2015, 07:07:08 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on March 27, 2015, 07:25:58 PM
i can't for the life of me imagine that justin is leaving. 50/50 on nigel.
He has probably graduated by now.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
you guys need better friend and acquaintance filters.
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2015, 10:14:32 PM
i literally have never met a person that told me they like oscar weber as the coach of the kansas state wildcats mens basketball program.
you guys need better friend and acquaintance filters.
Yeah, I really can't think of anyone I've met that was ever very gung ho for oscar.
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2015, 10:21:31 PM
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2015, 10:22:52 PM
If I had a friend who thought oscar was good, I wouldn't kick them to the curb or drag their name through the mud. I'd share with them statistics and facts that explain why they were wrong and help them see the error of their ways. I wouldn't give up until they saw why and how they strayed and why they were wrong. And then we would hug and go do something great together.
Lucky for you the chances are low that you'd have to put in that kind of effort.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 27, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
If I had a friend who thought oscar was good, I wouldn't kick them to the curb or drag their name through the mud. I'd share with them statistics and facts that explain why they were wrong and help them see the error of their ways. I wouldn't give up until they saw why and how they strayed and why they were wrong. And then we would hug and go do something great together.
it's rare that an argument is so damn easy.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
If I had a friend who thought oscar was good, I wouldn't kick them to the curb or drag their name through the mud. I'd share with them statistics and facts that explain why they were wrong and help them see the error of their ways. I wouldn't give up until they saw why and how they strayed and why they were wrong. And then we would hug and go do something great together.
#family
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 28, 2015, 08:10:05 AM
If I had a friend who thought oscar was good, I wouldn't kick them to the curb or drag their name through the mud. I'd share with them statistics and facts that explain why they were wrong and help them see the error of their ways. I wouldn't give up until they saw why and how they strayed and why they were wrong. And then we would hug and go do something great together.
I have one friend who still thinks oscar needs more time, but he also thinks pro wrestling is real, so I just SMH and change the subject.
Post by: Boondock Poonhound on March 28, 2015, 08:51:57 AM
Post by: AbeFroman on March 28, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
If I had a friend who thought oscar was good, I wouldn't kick them to the curb or drag their name through the mud. I'd share with them statistics and facts that explain why they were wrong and help them see the error of their ways. I wouldn't give up until they saw why and how they strayed and why they were wrong. And then we would hug and go do something great together.
I can't even fathom having a friend like that.
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
What if he was your BEST friend?If I had a friend who thought oscar was good, I wouldn't kick them to the curb or drag their name through the mud. I'd share with them statistics and facts that explain why they were wrong and help them see the error of their ways. I wouldn't give up until they saw why and how they strayed and why they were wrong. And then we would hug and go do something great together.
I can't even fathom having a friend like that.
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 10:16:23 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
What if your best friend was your dad? What if your dad were oscar? Pastries for thought.
That was more like a bagel chip for thought.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 10:20:58 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 10:22:47 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 28, 2015, 11:21:14 AM
Nigel twitter: 200 miles on the dash :dunno:
That's a rap lyric. Means his car goes fast.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on March 28, 2015, 11:38:14 AM
It's a useful hypothetical for a better world.
I'm going all in on this. :thumbs:
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2015, 11:39:01 AM
:horrorsurprise:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
I've talked to several IRL people who DO want him here anymore. Not old grandpas either. Like under 35 year old fans.
KU fans totally want him here too.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2015, 12:26:26 PM
Not sure why. He's really good at beating them.If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
I've talked to several IRL people who DO want him here anymore. Not old grandpas either. Like under 35 year old fans.
KU fans totally want him here too.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2015, 12:32:56 PM
Not sure why. He's really good at beating them.If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
I've talked to several IRL people who DO want him here anymore. Not old grandpas either. Like under 35 year old fans.
KU fans totally want him here too.
Totally, they compliment the crap out of him
Post by: Catman2 on March 28, 2015, 04:08:12 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 04:15:05 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Post by: That_Guy on March 28, 2015, 04:48:57 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Louisville did the same with one of their guards.
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Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 05:06:11 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
coach k has dismissed 1 player in his 30 years at duke, great example and comparo. and the kid was accused of sexual assault. twice. yup, we should call you Dr Example Giver.
Post by: steve dave on March 28, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2015, 06:01:23 PM
All of the ones he's recruited and run off were signed by gremlins.
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2015, 06:16:03 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 06:50:13 PM
Post by: Catman2 on March 28, 2015, 07:11:28 PM
Catman2 doesn't know crap.
One of many one line posters. You add nothing. Not a rational thought among them. Ain't that right bread.
Post by: Catman2 on March 28, 2015, 07:16:33 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
coach k has dismissed 1 player in his 30 years at duke, great example and comparo. and the kid was accused of sexual assault. twice. yup, we should call you Dr Example Giver.
Ok pissman, got me there.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 07:26:50 PM
he's following the same script here that he did there. how can you not see that?
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 07:37:18 PM
Catman2 doesn't know crap.
One of many one line posters. You add nothing. Not a rational thought among them. Ain't that right bread.
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Answer the question, shitbrain.
Post by: Pete on March 28, 2015, 07:38:14 PM
Let's just agree to disagree on all other points and focus on oscar being a rough ridin' loser who should get the hell out of here, okay guys?
Post by: Trogdor on March 28, 2015, 07:57:30 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on March 28, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Nigel spotted playing ball at the rec with foster. Nigel in ksu gear, marcus not.hmm
Post by: renocat on March 28, 2015, 08:14:14 PM
Post by: jtksu on March 28, 2015, 08:28:46 PM
:)
Leave off one "P" and it totally changes things.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 29, 2015, 06:10:15 AM
Leave off one "P" and it totally changes things.
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Post by: Catman2 on March 29, 2015, 10:07:10 AM
Catman2 doesn't know crap.
One of many one line posters. You add nothing. Not a rational thought among them. Ain't that right bread.I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Answer the question, shitbrain.
McCamey
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2015, 10:53:10 AM
:popcorn:
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Post by: Mr Bread on March 29, 2015, 11:08:03 AM
Catman2 doesn't know crap.
One of many one line posters. You add nothing. Not a rational thought among them. Ain't that right bread.I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Answer the question, shitbrain.
McCamey
:lol: Which team did McCamey, the most productive player oscar ever recruited to Illinois, send down the tubes? What were his problems that oscar foolishly overlooked? Good rough ridin' grief.
How many years sooner would oscar have been fired if he didn't have McCamey? oscar wouldn't have sniffed the NIT between 2008-09 and 2010-11, let alone made the NCAAs twice, without him. oscar should call Demetri once a week for the rest of his life and offer to blow him for everything he did for oscar that oscar did not then, and will never, deserve.
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on March 29, 2015, 02:36:32 PM
:popcorn:
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
Post by: Benja on March 29, 2015, 02:43:10 PM
Nigel twitter: 200 miles on the dash :dunno:
That's a rap lyric. Means his car goes fast.
Love these.
Post by: Benja on March 29, 2015, 02:46:13 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Louisville did the same with one of their guards.
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They released a guy charged with rape.
Post by: Benja on March 29, 2015, 02:46:52 PM
Post by: That_Guy on March 29, 2015, 02:47:37 PM
I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Louisville did the same with one of their guards.
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They released a guy charged with rape.
Oops.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2015, 02:53:37 PM
Doesn't seem like anyone can get a straight answer as to whether Nigel's still on the team. My guess is that he's gone, but the coaching staff has asked him to think it over before he makes any official decision. If he can't convince the Nigel Johnsons of the world to stay, then I can't imagine the oscar Weber experiment lasts much longer.
I don't think Nigel is the straw that breaks the camels back.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 03:04:16 PM
Doesn't seem like anyone can get a straight answer as to whether Nigel's still on the team. My guess is that he's gone, but the coaching staff has asked him to think it over before he makes any official decision. If he can't convince the Nigel Johnsons of the world to stay, then I can't imagine the oscar Weber experiment lasts much longer.
I don't think Nigel is the straw that breaks the camels back.
If Nigel leaves, then oscar has one guard returning, and he's more of a wing. I think it would be significant. To recruit an entirely new backcourt during the spring, I mean, Nigel wasn't great but had some experience in the system. The guards that we had for a couple years couldn't figure out oscar's motion offense, and we're going to be replacing them with shittier versions of themselves and hoping that they learn it in one offseason. I think oscar is mumped if Nigel leaves.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
Doesn't seem like anyone can get a straight answer as to whether Nigel's still on the team. My guess is that he's gone, but the coaching staff has asked him to think it over before he makes any official decision. If he can't convince the Nigel Johnsons of the world to stay, then I can't imagine the oscar Weber experiment lasts much longer.
I don't think Nigel is the straw that breaks the camels back.If Nigel leaves, then oscar has one guard returning, and he's more of a wing. I think it would be significant. To recruit an entirely new backcourt during the spring, I mean, Nigel wasn't great but had some experience in the system. The guards that we had for a couple years couldn't figure out oscar's motion offense, and we're going to be replacing them with shittier versions of themselves and hoping that they learn it in one offseason. I thinkoscar is mumpedif Nigel leaves.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 03:08:02 PM
Post by: sys on March 29, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
weber can recruit someone at least as good as jr. n. johnson. even in the spring, even with all the upheaval tainting his image. the oppy to start on a big 12 team is worth more than an n. johnson.
I think what you're saying is possible, but far from a certainty.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 03:12:13 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 03:13:37 PM
Post by: sys on March 29, 2015, 03:18:41 PM
oth, if you're counting on n. johnson as your best player, or even just one of the better players, you're mumped. might as well at least roll the dice and try to get someone that can help you be a winning team.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
good points.
oth, if you're counting on n. johnson as your best player, or even just one of the better players, you're mumped. might as well at least roll the dice and try to get someone that can help you be a winning team.
They should be trying to recruit over him anyway, but it'd definitely be nice to have a veteran handling the ball for the team next year until inexperienced "talent" gets the hang of things. I'm afraid that the non-con next year could be a damn blood bath, unless oscar somehow gets out of a few of these games.
Post by: sys on March 29, 2015, 03:32:09 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2015, 03:40:58 PM
thought about it a little more and looked at johnson's stats again. you're probably right. it would be better to keep him. if you haven't already found anyone better among the other 6 or 7 or however many it is recruits, you're probably not going to with one more scholarship.I think it going to end up being a 8 man class. Two of the open scholarships need to go to good big 12 players. 3 out of the 4 (minus cobb) of the current commits need to pan out in the long run. Not many recruiting class have that kind of success rate.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on March 29, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
**I don't think we'll see any transfer announcements until semester is up. For the sophomores especially- if they're smart they know they need these credits and they need to finish the semester. That way if their new home doesn't work, they can graduate after seeing the court for a year and have immediate eligibility at a third institution as graduate transfers.
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2015, 05:20:25 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2015, 05:27:21 PM
The cupboards are going to be empty for the next guy.Not always the worst thing. Sometimes a year of just focusing on recruiting is a good way to jumpstart the system.
Post by: wabash909 on March 29, 2015, 05:57:44 PM
Quote
BrettGPC
On full scholarship
Post #1172
Re: Transfer rumors
If only things were that easy. Have I texted Nigel?? Yes. I just haven't heard back from him. He wasn't always the easiest to track down after he committed, either. I'm just waiting to hear something. Perhaps this is a no news is good news kind of thing.
Post by: scottwildcat on March 29, 2015, 06:02:45 PM
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Post by: steve dave on March 29, 2015, 06:10:47 PM
Post by: Benja on March 29, 2015, 06:16:16 PM
Post by: wabash909 on March 29, 2015, 06:23:26 PM
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Post by: wabash909 on March 29, 2015, 06:59:33 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 29, 2015, 07:09:22 PM
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Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 07:14:52 PM
what a huge rough ridin' waste of money
I've paid them over $1,000 in my lifetime. That makes me feel bad.
Post by: The Big Train on March 29, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
what a huge rough ridin' waste of money
I've paid them over $1,000 in my lifetime. That makes me feel bad.
:sdeek:
lots of people use the very strong password 'wildcats' over there, food for thought
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 29, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
what a huge rough ridin' waste of money
I've paid them over $1,000 in my lifetime. That makes me feel bad.
:sdeek:
lots of people use the very strong password 'wildcats' over there, food for thought
That makes me feel worse.
Post by: Trim on March 29, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
what a huge rough ridin' waste of money
I've paid them over $1,000 in my lifetime. That makes me feel bad.
Wow.
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
Post by: HamBoned on March 29, 2015, 08:18:23 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 29, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
Good work, HB.
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on March 29, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2015, 10:12:51 PM
Post by: dal9 on March 29, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
Post by: jtksu on March 30, 2015, 01:25:27 AM
Real question; does the gpc staff get a list of all the players cell numbers at the start of the year or how does that work?
If only things were that easy...
Post by: wabash909 on March 30, 2015, 07:50:05 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2015, 08:34:22 AM
Perhaps this is a no nameplate is good news kind of thing.
Yeah, odds are oscar is just having Nigel's plate polished. Nothing to see here.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 10:01:31 AM
If oscar coaches 4 years has a Big 12 championship and makes the NCAA twice. I think you can shrug your shoulders and be fine with it.
sure if it was like this:
Year before oscar: 15-17, No post Season
Hire oscar
Year 1: 18-15, 1 win in Big XII tourney, NIT
Year 2: 16-16, 1 win in Big XII tourney, no postseason
Year 3: 24-10, 2 wins in Big XII tourney, NCAA 1st round loss
Years 4: 29-7, Big XII Title, 3 seed, sweet 16 etc.
But it ain't like that is it
If he is gone next year, I don't think he could of had a shorter tenure and got more out of it. I don't think anybody wants him here anymore. Might as well get the most out of it in the shortest amount time possible.
Totally agree with Mixed-Nuts here. I would actually be way more upset about losing CF3's hypothetical coach after four years (more like insanely pissed about losing him). oscar's two tourney bids (no wins), and our first conference title since 1980 isn't an awful stretch for the program if he flames out and is gone after next year.
Here's what I hope. I hope Nigel and Edwards are still on the team. I hope Dean is the next coming. I hope we go 25-10 (10-8) next year and win our first NCAA tourney game under oscar. I don't hate oscar enough to wish that our program (the program I love) falls apart just to spite him. If we suck next year and oscar is gone, then I'm fine with that too. It's only if we suck next year and oscar stays that I'll be upset.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:04:12 AM
Here's what I hope. I hope Nigel and Edwards are still on the team. I hope Dean is the next coming. I hope we go 25-10 (10-8) next year and win our first NCAA tourney game under oscar. I don't hate oscar enough to wish that our program (the program I love) falls apart just to spite him. If we suck next year and oscar is gone, then I'm fine with that too. It's only if we suck next year and oscar stays that I'll be upset.
100% agree.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 10:08:11 AM
You guys are so nobleHere's what I hope. I hope Nigel and Edwards are still on the team. I hope Dean is the next coming. I hope we go 25-10 (10-8) next year and win our first NCAA tourney game under oscar. I don't hate oscar enough to wish that our program (the program I love) falls apart just to spite him. If we suck next year and oscar is gone, then I'm fine with that too. It's only if we suck next year and oscar stays that I'll be upset.
100% agree.
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2015, 10:09:03 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:10:07 AM
Post by: Catman2 on March 30, 2015, 10:12:23 AM
Catman2 doesn't know crap.
One of many one line posters. You add nothing. Not a rational thought among them. Ain't that right bread.I think we can all day that it is 100% clear that oscar has learned nothing from getting fired by Illinois. He is repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Answer the question, shitbrain.
McCamey
:lol: Which team did McCamey, the most productive player oscar ever recruited to Illinois, send down the tubes? What were his problems that oscar foolishly overlooked? Good rough ridin' grief.
How many years sooner would oscar have been fired if he didn't have McCamey? oscar wouldn't have sniffed the NIT between 2008-09 and 2010-11, let alone made the NCAAs twice, without him. oscar should call Demetri once a week for the rest of his life and offer to blow him for everything he did for oscar that oscar did not then, and will never, deserve.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008[/u]
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching. Weber refused to start McCamey, his most talented player, in the first two games of the season in an effort to coax more intensity and consistency out of the sophomore point guard. McCamey doesn’t seem totally onboard with Weber’s tough-love approach, and Weber still seems impatient with McCamey’s casual approach. This uneasiness could make them stronger if they get past it–or it could make for more problems. When Weber arrived at Illinois, Dee Brown didn’t buy in initially, but when he did, it helped him become a complete, and more mature, player. On the other hand, Weber and Shaun Pruitt never saw eye-to-eye last year, and it cast a pall over the team. The McCamey deal is hardly on the same level, but both of them will benefit immensely, as will the team, if they can get on the same page. That means McCamey needs to step it up, but Weber probably has to watch his step psychologically, too.
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Doesn't seem noble. Just different ways of being a _FAN.
I've learned a lot about who on gE would rather try and remodel a fixer upper or who would just cover the place in gasoline, set a match to it, and hope for some insurance money to come out of it.
Post by: CHONGS on March 30, 2015, 10:17:18 AM
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008[/u]
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching. Weber refused to start McCamey, his most talented player, in the first two games of the season in an effort to coax more intensity and consistency out of the sophomore point guard. McCamey doesn’t seem totally onboard with Weber’s tough-love approach, and Weber still seems impatient with McCamey’s casual approach. This uneasiness could make them stronger if they get past it–or it could make for more problems. When Weber arrived at Illinois, Dee Brown didn’t buy in initially, but when he did, it helped him become a complete, and more mature, player. On the other hand, Weber and Shaun Pruitt never saw eye-to-eye last year, and it cast a pall over the team. The McCamey deal is hardly on the same level, but both of them will benefit immensely, as will the team, if they can get on the same page. That means McCamey needs to step it up, but Weber probably has to watch his step psychologically, too.
Well hell, I guess oscar has learned from his mistakes. I am sure glad we at KSU don't have to go through what happened there...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 30, 2015, 10:17:51 AM
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
Dax Doctrine: Some K-Staters like coaches more than the school.
:love:
Post by: CHONGS on March 30, 2015, 10:24:09 AM
And its doubly ironic that he pulls this "I don't hate the program enought..." BS when he was rooting for the football team to lose because he wanted Prince out.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 10:25:39 AM
I admitted last week I can't bring the damn zeal much, so I guess this me being a non-zealot.
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2015, 10:30:47 AM
Here's what I hope. I hope Nigel and Edwards are still on the team. I hope Dean is the next coming. I hope we go 25-10 (10-8) next year and win our first NCAA tourney game under oscar. I don't hate oscar enough to wish that our program (the program I love) falls apart just to spite him. If we suck next year and oscar is gone, then I'm fine with that too. It's only if we suck next year and oscar stays that I'll be upset.
Nobody hopes we lose just to spite oscar. They hope we lose to expedite his getting away from KSU. I hope we win because I hate when we lose. But, I can see the logic behind it. My absolute worst fear is annual bubble/NIT finishes with no real hope for excitement or success. I'm terrified that's what I'm going to be watching for the next decade. If the next ten years hold 3-5 NCAA tourny appearances with no sweet 16s I'm going to know that Team Lose Now was right.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 10:33:57 AM
It's amazing how much more patience GOSP has for oscar than he had for Prince. Like shocking really, he was gunning to Prince to be fired essentially as soon as he was hired. But he still needs more time to figure out ole oscar-y boy.
And its doubly ironic that he pulls this "I don't hate the program enought..." BS when he was rooting for the football team to lose because he wanted Prince out.
Oh my. I hated the Prince hire, yes. My argument was he was horribly unqualified. (Less qualified than Snyder when we hired him, even though our program was in a much better place, was how I put it.) I've argued in lots of posts that I prefer hiring coaches who have experience. I made the same argument against hiring Venables until he proved himself at Clemson in my eyes. I thought the whole Doug Gottlieb thing was a joke for the same reason.
But sure, stir the pot and label me a racist, bad person. (Sorry filter is on at work.)
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
Post by: #LIFE on March 30, 2015, 10:40:53 AM
P.S. oscar has had more success at KSU than Prince did.
1 shitty coach does not excuse another to be shitty
Post by: Catman2 on March 30, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008[/u]
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching. Weber refused to start McCamey, his most talented player, in the first two games of the season in an effort to coax more intensity and consistency out of the sophomore point guard. McCamey doesn’t seem totally onboard with Weber’s tough-love approach, and Weber still seems impatient with McCamey’s casual approach. This uneasiness could make them stronger if they get past it–or it could make for more problems. When Weber arrived at Illinois, Dee Brown didn’t buy in initially, but when he did, it helped him become a complete, and more mature, player. On the other hand, Weber and Shaun Pruitt never saw eye-to-eye last year, and it cast a pall over the team. The McCamey deal is hardly on the same level, but both of them will benefit immensely, as will the team, if they can get on the same page. That means McCamey needs to step it up, but Weber probably has to watch his step psychologically, too.
Well hell, I guess oscar has learned from his mistakes. I am sure glad we at KSU don't have to go through what happened there...
Love the sarcasm. :ROFL:
If you are claiming I think he has things figured out, where do you get that? I think the ship is sinking faster than he can bail. Weber needs a miracle next year.
With McCamey, he gave him 2nd chances and he played well. However, the behavior of both couldn't have been positive for the team.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
Here's what I hope. I hope Nigel and Edwards are still on the team. I hope Dean is the next coming. I hope we go 25-10 (10-8) next year and win our first NCAA tourney game under oscar. I don't hate oscar enough to wish that our program (the program I love) falls apart just to spite him. If we suck next year and oscar is gone, then I'm fine with that too. It's only if we suck next year and oscar stays that I'll be upset.
Nobody hopes we lose just to spite oscar. They hope we lose to expedite his getting away from KSU. I hope we win because I hate when we lose. But, I can see the logic behind it. My absolute worst fear is annual bubble/NIT finishes with no real hope for excitement or success. I'm terrified that's what I'm going to be watching for the next decade. If the next ten years hold 3-5 NCAA tourny appearances with no sweet 16s I'm going to know that Team Lose Now was right.
Definitely, the absolute fear for next year is being mediocre. Being a low tier bubble team that goes to the NIT or slightly below that. If we are going to be bad, then the best case scenario is to be terrible and much worse than this year so we can get this thing over with, I just can't "hope" for that to happen. I understand having a postive hope for next year is likely more futile than not, but its still what I'm going to do.
I get the fans that think SoSP and I are idiots (or worse), but honestly I really don't care what people think of me as a fan.
Post by: #LIFE on March 30, 2015, 10:49:42 AM
Definitely, the absolute fear for next year is being mediocre. Being a low tier bubble team that goes to the NIT or slightly below that. If we are going to be bad, then the best case scenario is to be terrible and much worse than this year so we can get this thing over with, I just can't "hope" for that to happen. I understand having a postive hope for next year is likely more futile than not, but its still what I'm going to do.
I get the fans that think SoSP and I are idiots (or worse), but honestly I really don't care what people think of me as a fan.
I would just prefer being shot in the head if I'm going to be slowly burned to death
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:51:04 AM
I would just prefer being shot in the head if I'm going to be slowly burned to death
I don't equate being a basketball fan with anything close to life/death. :dunno:
Post by: Cire on March 30, 2015, 10:52:12 AM
But if there's anything that Frank/Huggs taught us it's that basketball can be turned around over night.
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 10:53:42 AM
Dax Doctrine: Some K-Staters like coaches more than the school.
Some K-Staters like the school more than some coach, though. Some are willing to gamble the success of former on a under perfomring latter.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
Doesn't seem noble. Just different ways of being a fan.sanctimonious?
Post by: CHONGS on March 30, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
So it was OK for you to have the opinion that Prince was a terrible hire and to not give him a chance because a) you didn't like the hire and b) didn't like his personality, but people who thought Weber was a terrible hire and didn't give him the full chance you think he should have received (and still should be getting) "hate oscar so much they want the program to fail"?It's amazing how much more patience GOSP has for oscar than he had for Prince. Like shocking really, he was gunning to Prince to be fired essentially as soon as he was hired. But he still needs more time to figure out ole oscar-y boy.
And its doubly ironic that he pulls this "I don't hate the program enought..." BS when he was rooting for the football team to lose because he wanted Prince out.
Oh my. I hated the Prince hire, yes. My argument was he was horribly unqualified. (Less qualified than Snyder when we hired him, even though our program was in a much better place, was how I put it.) I've argued in lots of posts that I prefer hiring coaches who have experience. I made the same argument against hiring Venables until he proved himself at Clemson in my eyes. I thought the whole Doug Gottlieb thing was a joke for the same reason.
But sure, stir the pot and label me a racist, bad person. (Sorry filter is on at work.)
I doubt race has much part to play in your stance on this, but it all has to do with the fact that you liked oscar, liked what he stood for, liked the type of basketball you think he idealizes while you didn't like Prince, what he stood for, the style of football he played. You didn't wait for Prince to fail two years in a row.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Doesn't seem noble. Just different ways of being a fan.sanctimonious?
I'm a much more critical fan than I used to be, in fact I used to fit in quite well with the typical gP group think. I would like to think I'm no longer at that point, but I will continue to be more positive in my outlooks on K-State sports teams than most on gE.
If that makes me sanctimonious, I guess you are correct.
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2015, 11:02:56 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 11:05:15 AM
I've got news for those of you (like myself) who hope we are going to be good next season. We're going to be bad. Maybe really bad. SO THAT SUCKS.
I would tend to agree with you steve dave. :frown:
Post by: Panjandrum on March 30, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
However, I also don't want this program to live in the oscar/Illinois purgatory that existed for the better part of 7 years, either.
This is a really tough game of "Would you rather?" Would I rather be good next year, have some fun, and enjoy that short term knowing that the bottom can fall out at any minute (like it did this year), or would I rather see oscar gone and try to hire someone that I may like more and could give us Frank-like success, which is a more long term play?
I guess because I feel strongly that oscar is going to ultimately fail, I agree with the latter. Maybe 70/30.
Post by: CHONGS on March 30, 2015, 11:11:12 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 30, 2015, 11:12:13 AM
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Answer the question, shitbrain.
McCamey
:lol: Which team did McCamey, the most productive player oscar ever recruited to Illinois, send down the tubes? What were his problems that oscar foolishly overlooked? Good rough ridin' grief.
How many years sooner would oscar have been fired if he didn't have McCamey? oscar wouldn't have sniffed the NIT between 2008-09 and 2010-11, let alone made the NCAAs twice, without him. oscar should call Demetri once a week for the rest of his life and offer to blow him for everything he did for oscar that oscar did not then, and will never, deserve.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching. Weber refused to start McCamey, his most talented player, in the first two games of the season in an effort to coax more intensity and consistency out of the sophomore point guard. McCamey doesn’t seem totally onboard with Weber’s tough-love approach, and Weber still seems impatient with McCamey’s casual approach. This uneasiness could make them stronger if they get past it–or it could make for more problems. When Weber arrived at Illinois, Dee Brown didn’t buy in initially, but when he did, it helped him become a complete, and more mature, player. On the other hand, Weber and Shaun Pruitt never saw eye-to-eye last year, and it cast a pall over the team. The McCamey deal is hardly on the same level, but both of them will benefit immensely, as will the team, if they can get on the same page. That means McCamey needs to step it up, but Weber probably has to watch his step psychologically, too.
You wrote: "There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes."
Which team went down the tubes because oscar hung on to talented problem child McCamey? After that article, McCamey went NCAA, NIT, NCAA. When McCamey graduated from Illinois, oscar's very next team went straight down the shitter and he got fired.
Also, LOfuckingL at not seeing eye to eye with oscar making a player a problem child. McCamey was never suspended for any reason, nor charged with or accused of any sort of crime his entire career. He graduated on schedule from Illinois. All the while being voted all-big 10 his junior and senior years. Holy crap you're a dumbfuck. Typical oscar horseshit that the white midwestern downgrades gobble up and beg for more.
"That kid's got an attitude problem!" :shakesfist:
That kid saved stupid eff Weber's job for three or four more years and probably got him hired at K-State, and all oscar did was scapegoat him for not achieving more. Piece of crap.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
So it was OK for you to have the opinion that Prince was a terrible hire and to not give him a chance because a) you didn't like the hire and b) didn't like his personality, but people who thought Weber was a terrible hire and didn't give him the full chance you think he should have received (and still should be getting) "hate oscar so much they want the program to fail"?It's amazing how much more patience GOSP has for oscar than he had for Prince. Like shocking really, he was gunning to Prince to be fired essentially as soon as he was hired. But he still needs more time to figure out ole oscar-y boy.
And its doubly ironic that he pulls this "I don't hate the program enought..." BS when he was rooting for the football team to lose because he wanted Prince out.
Oh my. I hated the Prince hire, yes. My argument was he was horribly unqualified. (Less qualified than Snyder when we hired him, even though our program was in a much better place, was how I put it.) I've argued in lots of posts that I prefer hiring coaches who have experience. I made the same argument against hiring Venables until he proved himself at Clemson in my eyes. I thought the whole Doug Gottlieb thing was a joke for the same reason.
But sure, stir the pot and label me a racist, bad person. (Sorry filter is on at work.)
I doubt race has much part to play in your stance on this, but it all has to do with the fact that you liked oscar, liked what he stood for, liked the type of basketball you think he idealizes while you didn't like Prince, what he stood for, the style of football he played. You didn't wait for Prince to fail two years in a row.
Well thanks for walking back your position a bit to the point where you're accusing me of being only somewhat racist, and calling it a stylistic difference. You're still overstating the matter though, and still an bad person for doing so. You don't know me.
What Prince stood for? I had no opinion on what Prince "stood for." Winning and losing coaches come in all types. rough ridin' hell man, I don't even know what to write to you. Once you level an accusation like that online there's no way to respond appropriately. That I had friends of many different races and religions growing up and didn't even realize it? Including my best friend as a kid? True, but "that's what a racist would say!" That I've lived comfortably in neighborhoods in Brooklyn where whites were about a 2% minority? True, but "that's how a racist would defend himself." That I've been employed as a community advocate for underpriviliged communities of color? Yes, but "he hated Prince, ipso facto RACIST!"
Okay fine, FIRE WEBER NOW! BURN IT DOWN! Am I edgy now? Am I not a racist anymore?
My arguments for oscar had nothing to do with style. I didn't know jack crap about his style when he was hired, I just knew his win-loss numbers, so I relied on those. Whatever, man. Whatever.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 11:22:25 AM
I would just prefer being shot in the head if I'm going to be slowly burned to death
I don't equate being a basketball fan with anything close to life/death. :dunno:
Yes to this.
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 30, 2015, 11:29:02 AM
Post by: CHONGS on March 30, 2015, 11:30:48 AM
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
I want to get either all the way back in again, or all the way out. Watching other ball now is even frustrating to me because watching good teams just makes me think how there is no reason we shouldn't be doing what those good teams are doing.
Before Huggs, I was a fan of the overall sport nationwide. Just liked watching the sport and ppl that were good at it, regardless. Now, I want good cat hoops again and good other ppl just mock us to my face constantly.
oscar has taken away more than just cat hoops happiness from me for now, although he may chase me to an overall sport enjoyment again, given enough time.
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 11:44:07 AM
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008[/u]
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching. Weber refused to start McCamey, his most talented player, in the first two games of the season in an effort to coax more intensity and consistency out of the sophomore point guard. McCamey doesn’t seem totally onboard with Weber’s tough-love approach, and Weber still seems impatient with McCamey’s casual approach. This uneasiness could make them stronger if they get past it–or it could make for more problems. When Weber arrived at Illinois, Dee Brown didn’t buy in initially, but when he did, it helped him become a complete, and more mature, player. On the other hand, Weber and Shaun Pruitt never saw eye-to-eye last year, and it cast a pall over the team. The McCamey deal is hardly on the same level, but both of them will benefit immensely, as will the team, if they can get on the same page. That means McCamey needs to step it up, but Weber probably has to watch his step psychologically, too.
Well hell, I guess oscar has learned from his mistakes. I am sure glad we at KSU don't have to go through what happened there...
Love the sarcasm. :ROFL:
If you are claiming I think he has things figured out, where do you get that? I think the ship is sinking faster than he can bail. Weber needs a miracle next year.
With McCamey, he gave him 2nd chances and he played well. However, the behavior of both couldn't have been positive for the team.
you come off as though you're still in the wait and see mode. a lot of people here have already seen enough. hence the discussion.
Post by: _33 on March 30, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 12:00:15 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 12:07:37 PM
i hated the prince hire, could see right through his bs. although in full disclosure i did start a thread the night of the texas win (i was boozed) entitled "I BELIEVE". prob the low point of my bbs life.
I didn't like the hire, but I gave him a chance. I nearly fully bought in after the Texas win completed a 3 game win streak, but much of that was undone after KU destroyed us a week later. By the end of year 2, even with the Texas win, I was pretty much done. By the middle of year 3 when we weren't just bad, but were clearly incompetently coached as a football program, it was time to move on.
Post by: HamBoned on March 30, 2015, 12:16:08 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 30, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
Who cares if Nigel is gone....The Flush is the real deal, plus according to twitter "we're making it to the dance" next year. :bball:
If oscar can get this ragtag bunch to the tournament next year I will temporarily jump off the #bid wagon and be completely behind him the following season. I just don't see any chance of that happening, maybe 10% at best.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 30, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
the weber hire was the exact opposite. you had a bunch of people immediately in the "i rough ridin' hate this. fire oscar, fire currie" camp and a bunch in the "i hate the people screaming i hate this, so i'll side with oscar and the university" camp. it was polarized from the beginning and once you're entrenched, it's hard to give it up. hence why you still have a bunch of people still undecided and hoping for the best despite pretty much everything pointing to a dumpster fire.
Post by: Trim on March 30, 2015, 12:24:50 PM
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008[/u]
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching.
^^^ This sounds unbelievable. Like, Illinois had the ball down 2 at the end of the game and this guy just intentionally ran the clock out to lose?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 12:25:35 PM
initially, nobody really knew what to make of prince and most people didn't really have an opinion. some might have said "i don't love it" and some might have said "i kind of like it". 95% were somewhere in the middle just hanging out until everyone together slowly started moving over to the let's get rid of him way of thinking.
the weber hire was the exact opposite. you had a bunch of people immediately in the "i rough ridin' hate this. fire oscar, fire currie" camp and a bunch in the "i hate the people screaming i hate, it so i'll side with oscar and the university" camp. it was polarized from the beginning and once you're entrenched, it's hard to give it up. hence why you still have a bunch of people still undecided and hoping for the best despite pretty much everything pointing to a dumpster fire.
True.
Post by: _33 on March 30, 2015, 12:29:45 PM
i hated the prince hire, could see right through his bs. although in full disclosure i did start a thread the night of the texas win (i was boozed) entitled "I BELIEVE". prob the low point of my bbs life.
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=16568.msg210048#msg210048
Mich was on board too.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 12:31:39 PM
i hated the prince hire, could see right through his bs. although in full disclosure i did start a thread the night of the texas win (i was boozed) entitled "I BELIEVE". prob the low point of my bbs life.
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=16568.msg210048#msg210048
Mich was on board too.
totally. I still love the philosophy behind the Prince hire, he just turned out to be a crazy kook and I was fine with letting him go.
Post by: mocat on March 30, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
I think he learned something at Illinois. There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes.
We will see at Kansas State if his move of sending them packing works better. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows. Most would agree, something positive better happen on the court next year.
Some talented players don't follow the rules and are released. Duke let one go 2 months ago but then, Duke can fill those holes.
Who? Richmond was gone after his freshman year. Smith never played again after his sophomore year.
Answer the question, shitbrain.
McCamey
:lol: Which team did McCamey, the most productive player oscar ever recruited to Illinois, send down the tubes? What were his problems that oscar foolishly overlooked? Good rough ridin' grief.
How many years sooner would oscar have been fired if he didn't have McCamey? oscar wouldn't have sniffed the NIT between 2008-09 and 2010-11, let alone made the NCAAs twice, without him. oscar should call Demetri once a week for the rest of his life and offer to blow him for everything he did for oscar that oscar did not then, and will never, deserve.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
McCamey, Weber and tough love Chicago Sun Times - Inside Illinois - December 3, 2008
The frosty relationship between oscar Weber and Demetri McCamey resurfaced again after McCamey failed to pass, shoot or call a timeout at the end of Illinois’ 76-74 loss to Clemson, and it bears watching. Weber refused to start McCamey, his most talented player, in the first two games of the season in an effort to coax more intensity and consistency out of the sophomore point guard. McCamey doesn’t seem totally onboard with Weber’s tough-love approach, and Weber still seems impatient with McCamey’s casual approach. This uneasiness could make them stronger if they get past it–or it could make for more problems. When Weber arrived at Illinois, Dee Brown didn’t buy in initially, but when he did, it helped him become a complete, and more mature, player. On the other hand, Weber and Shaun Pruitt never saw eye-to-eye last year, and it cast a pall over the team. The McCamey deal is hardly on the same level, but both of them will benefit immensely, as will the team, if they can get on the same page. That means McCamey needs to step it up, but Weber probably has to watch his step psychologically, too.
You wrote: "There,he hung on to a talented problem child or two. Must have thought he could turn them around. He couldn't and it sent the team down the tubes."
Which team went down the tubes because oscar hung on to talented problem child McCamey? After that article, McCamey went NCAA, NIT, NCAA. When McCamey graduated from Illinois, oscar's very next team went straight down the shitter and he got fired.
Also, LOfuckingL at not seeing eye to eye with oscar making a player a problem child. McCamey was never suspended for any reason, nor charged with or accused of any sort of crime his entire career. He graduated on schedule from Illinois. All the while being voted all-big 10 his junior and senior years. Holy crap you're a dumbfuck. Typical oscar horseshit that the white midwestern downgrades gobble up and beg for more.
"That kid's got an attitude problem!" :shakesfist:
That kid saved stupid eff Weber's job for three or four more years and probably got him hired at K-State, and all oscar did was scapegoat him for not achieving more. Piece of crap.
man i love these
Post by: _33 on March 30, 2015, 12:34:08 PM
i hated the prince hire, could see right through his bs. although in full disclosure i did start a thread the night of the texas win (i was boozed) entitled "I BELIEVE". prob the low point of my bbs life.
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=16568.msg210048#msg210048
Mich was on board too.
totally. I still love the philosophy behind the Prince hire, he just turned out to be a crazy kook and I was fine with letting him go.
Yeah I loved his ideas so much. If only he could have, like, made them happen better.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 30, 2015, 12:34:57 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2015, 12:36:36 PM
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2015, 12:38:25 PM
oscar Weber backed into a regular season shared Big 12 title which was awesome. He also had two NCAA tourny appearances but zero wins. That's good enough for me. Then he fell directly on his face and his current trajectory is about where Prince's was. The difference is we fired the living eff out of Ron Prince after year three and we've currently got limp dick talking heads saying that oscar's seat isn't even warm. And it's not like this couldn't have been foreseen. He did the same thing at the previous job he got fired from. Ron Prince had at least never failed before. He needed someone stupid like us to give him the opportunity to. oscar Weber needed someone stupid like us to give him consecutive opportunities to.
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2015, 12:46:26 PM
Ron Prince had stealing Josh Freeman from NU right out of the gates. That was pretty exciting. Then he had 2 top 10 victories (40% of the top 10 victories in the history of our program) which was pretty exciting. He also went to the NCAA bubble of bowl games his first season after Bill had missed two in a row. But, after Freeman he recruited like absolute dogshit. Plus he was obviously not all there and full of crap. I can deal with not all there and full of crap if he's winning but he wasn't and he obviously wasn't going to start winning anytime soon or ever again.
oscar Weber backed into a regular season shared Big 12 title which was awesome. He also had two NCAA tourny appearances but zero wins. That's good enough for me. Then he fell directly on his face and his current trajectory is about where Prince's was. The difference is we fired the living eff out of Ron Prince after year three and we've currently got limp dick talking heads saying that oscar's seat isn't even warm. And it's not like this couldn't have been foreseen. He did the same thing at the previous job he got fired from. Ron Prince had at least never failed before. He needed someone stupid like us to give him the opportunity to. oscar Weber needed someone stupid like us to give him consecutive opportunities to.
The parallels are pretty striking. The major difference is that Ron Prince didn't kick Freeman off of his football team.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2015, 12:49:27 PM
Ron Prince had stealing Josh Freeman from NU right out of the gates. That was pretty exciting. Then he had 2 top 10 victories (40% of the top 10 victories in the history of our program) which was pretty exciting. He also went to the NCAA bubble of bowl games his first season after Bill had missed two in a row. But, after Freeman he recruited like absolute dogshit. Plus he was obviously not all there and full of crap. I can deal with not all there and full of crap if he's winning but he wasn't and he obviously wasn't going to start winning anytime soon or ever again.
oscar Weber backed into a regular season shared Big 12 title which was awesome. He also had two NCAA tourny appearances but zero wins. That's good enough for me. Then he fell directly on his face and his current trajectory is about where Prince's was. The difference is we fired the living eff out of Ron Prince after year three and we've currently got limp dick talking heads saying that oscar's seat isn't even warm. And it's not like this couldn't have been foreseen. He did the same thing at the previous job he got fired from. Ron Prince had at least never failed before. He needed someone stupid like us to give him the opportunity to. oscar Weber needed someone stupid like us to give him consecutive opportunities to.
Prince was fired before we were even eliminated from a bowl game. There were still 3 games left. Crazy
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 12:52:09 PM
Ron Prince had stealing Josh Freeman from NU right out of the gates. That was pretty exciting. Then he had 2 top 10 victories (40% of the top 10 victories in the history of our program) which was pretty exciting. He also went to the NCAA bubble of bowl games his first season after Bill had missed two in a row. But, after Freeman he recruited like absolute dogshit. Plus he was obviously not all there and full of crap. I can deal with not all there and full of crap if he's winning but he wasn't and he obviously wasn't going to start winning anytime soon or ever again.
oscar Weber backed into a regular season shared Big 12 title which was awesome. He also had two NCAA tourny appearances but zero wins. That's good enough for me. Then he fell directly on his face and his current trajectory is about where Prince's was. The difference is we fired the living eff out of Ron Prince after year three and we've currently got limp dick talking heads saying that oscar's seat isn't even warm. And it's not like this couldn't have been foreseen. He did the same thing at the previous job he got fired from. Ron Prince had at least never failed before. He needed someone stupid like us to give him the opportunity to. oscar Weber needed someone stupid like us to give him consecutive opportunities to.
Prince was fired before we were even eliminated from a bowl game. There were still 3 games left. Crazy
The good old days. When our AD was a fan of the program.
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 12:55:52 PM
i hated the prince hire, could see right through his bs. although in full disclosure i did start a thread the night of the texas win (i was boozed) entitled "I BELIEVE". prob the low point of my bbs life.
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=16568.msg210048#msg210048
Mich was on board too.
damn you. so embarrassing. at least stunner joined in for our night of believing.
i sat on the porch drinking cold beers with michigancat telling him how bad prince was, but he loved the guy.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 30, 2015, 12:57:34 PM
Ron Prince had stealing Josh Freeman from NU right out of the gates. That was pretty exciting. Then he had 2 top 10 victories (40% of the top 10 victories in the history of our program) which was pretty exciting. He also went to the NCAA bubble of bowl games his first season after Bill had missed two in a row. But, after Freeman he recruited like absolute dogshit. Plus he was obviously not all there and full of crap. I can deal with not all there and full of crap if he's winning but he wasn't and he obviously wasn't going to start winning anytime soon or ever again.
oscar Weber backed into a regular season shared Big 12 title which was awesome. He also had two NCAA tourny appearances but zero wins. That's good enough for me. Then he fell directly on his face and his current trajectory is about where Prince's was. The difference is we fired the living eff out of Ron Prince after year three and we've currently got limp dick talking heads saying that oscar's seat isn't even warm. And it's not like this couldn't have been foreseen. He did the same thing at the previous job he got fired from. Ron Prince had at least never failed before. He needed someone stupid like us to give him the opportunity to. oscar Weber needed someone stupid like us to give him consecutive opportunities to.
sometimes people like to post gifs of a guy clapping/applauding. i don't like to do that but if i did, i would do it right now.
Post by: slobber on March 30, 2015, 01:03:09 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
I should go back and quote pan on his analogy of the season and a 4 month dental appointment. I'd even take it a step further. It's like there is this really young, hot receptionist and an even hotter hygienist working at the dentist, and every day you show up thinking you might get to talk to the hot receptionist and, fingers crossed, the hot hygienist is the one to clean your teeth. However, the hot receptionist is out on 6 month maternity leave and you always end up with the ugly, middle aged hygienist. (Too GPCy? I didn't even mention that both of these hot women have really great bazoongas!)
Gonna win 'em all!
:worthless:
Post by: Skipper44 on March 30, 2015, 01:12:33 PM
i think this one works well hereRon Prince had stealing Josh Freeman from NU right out of the gates. That was pretty exciting. Then he had 2 top 10 victories (40% of the top 10 victories in the history of our program) which was pretty exciting. He also went to the NCAA bubble of bowl games his first season after Bill had missed two in a row. But, after Freeman he recruited like absolute dogshit. Plus he was obviously not all there and full of crap. I can deal with not all there and full of crap if he's winning but he wasn't and he obviously wasn't going to start winning anytime soon or ever again.
oscar Weber backed into a regular season shared Big 12 title which was awesome. He also had two NCAA tourny appearances but zero wins. That's good enough for me. Then he fell directly on his face and his current trajectory is about where Prince's was. The difference is we fired the living eff out of Ron Prince after year three and we've currently got limp dick talking heads saying that oscar's seat isn't even warm. And it's not like this couldn't have been foreseen. He did the same thing at the previous job he got fired from. Ron Prince had at least never failed before. He needed someone stupid like us to give him the opportunity to. oscar Weber needed someone stupid like us to give him consecutive opportunities to.
sometimes people like to post gifs of a guy clapping/applauding. i don't like to do that but if i did, i would do it right now.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi823.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz156%2Fksubrooks%2FTexasGirlsPrinceStomp.gif%3Ft%3D1354256579&hash=f223bb7ce01d802f1703229b1735748ab8766dab)
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2015, 01:37:38 PM
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
Re: Brett GPC, I am assuming that Nigel is NOT transferring? Reply
BrettGPC-funster -- I think you might be reading into that a little too much, but I'd say the answer is yes. If they aren't dismissed, like Marcus Foster and Tre Harris, the decision is almost always on the player and his situations, both on and off the court. I see both sides here, but have zero idea what he is actually going to do. It all just seems up in the air and I don't think I'd be surprised either way.
Post by: #LIFE on March 30, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
l absolutely love the gpc staff so very very much
Re: Brett GPC, I am assuming that Nigel is NOT transferring? Reply
BrettGPC-funster -- I think you might be reading into that a little too much, but I'd say the answer is yes. If they aren't dismissed, like Marcus Foster and Tre Harris, the decision is almost always on the player and his situations, both on and off the court. I see both sides here, but have zero idea what he is actually going to do. It all just seems up in the air and I don't think I'd be surprised either way.
:lol:
Post by: Trim on March 30, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: Trim on March 30, 2015, 01:46:26 PM
Post by: SdK on March 30, 2015, 01:46:36 PM
I should go back and quote pan on his analogy of the season and a 4 month dental appointment. I'd even take it a step further. It's like there is this really young, hot receptionist and an even hotter hygienist working at the dentist, and every day you show up thinking you might get to talk to the hot receptionist and, fingers crossed, the hot hygienist is the one to clean your teeth. However, the hot receptionist is out on 6 month maternity leave and you always end up with the ugly, middle aged hygienist. (Too GPCy? I didn't even mention that both of these hot women have really great bazoongas!)Bazoongas! :love:
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Panjandrum on March 30, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
Isn't that a verbal venn diagram?
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 01:48:10 PM
So, the answer is yes, but it could be no, but he wouldn't be surprised either way?that will be 9.99 a month sir
Isn't that a verbal venn diagram?
Post by: SdK on March 30, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
Hahahhahahaha oh effSo, the answer is yes, but it could be no, but he wouldn't be surprised either way?that will be 9.99 a month sir
Isn't that a verbal venn diagram?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 30, 2015, 01:51:09 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 30, 2015, 01:56:47 PM
:D
Post by: 8manpick on March 30, 2015, 01:57:42 PM
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
I should go back and quote pan on his analogy of the season and a 4 month dental appointment. I'd even take it a step further. It's like there is this really young, hot receptionist and an even hotter hygienist working at the dentist, and every day you show up thinking you might get to talk to the hot receptionist and, fingers crossed, the hot hygienist is the one to clean your teeth. However, the hot receptionist is out on 6 month maternity leave and you always end up with the ugly, middle aged hygienist. (Too GPCy? I didn't even mention that both of these hot women have really great bazoongas!)
i don't like this analogy. change it so that the patient absolutely completely knows for sure that the hot woman is dying to eff him. he just has to get the other person out of his mouth first. also the hot woman's name is brad and she's won a ton of games really fast and is a kstate grad and recruiting enthusiast.
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.i agree and like talking to him on twitter but once they log in over there its like fitz is the star fleet commander and the rest just write what he says/thinks
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 30, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
My, probably our, fear is that oscar could seemingly go .500 in the non-con, end up winning 7 games in the Big 12 and then that would be chalked up to improvement with a bunch of new guys. Especially if we get a top 10 win in there (which isn't that ridiculous to think since we somehow are a monster in the fOOD under oscar). The worst part is that with a young roster including Claws and The Flush, that would be the best time ever to bring in a new coach. So I guess what I'm saying is that with the way we are, or at least I am, predicting the season to go, we're probably screwed.
Post by: Catman2 on March 30, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.you come off as though you're still in the wait and see mode. a lot of people here have already seen enough. hence the discussion.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
Fair enough, Pclams, and some are quite angry, too. It is only sports, not life or death. I have been guilty of posting some anger comments and my parole officer says that is counterproductive, I'm trying to quit.
I only want 20+ win seasons and NCAA bids like everyone else. And since Weber is staying put, I can only hope he starts winning again, optimism. I wouldn't consider rooting for them to lose 20 games next season as fun? So, if anyone wants to bash me because I want K-State to be a winner next year, go f*** yourself. Damn, did it again.
Post by: Bookcat on March 30, 2015, 02:02:00 PM
boom.
Post by: 8manpick on March 30, 2015, 02:02:39 PM
Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.i agree and like talking to him on twitter but once they log in over there its like fitz is the star fleet commander and the rest just write what he says/thinks
Bart truly believed in oscar in December of year 1 (his first year at GPC). We got into a heated drunken argument about it the weekend we beat Texas for the B12 title. If he is just following Fitz, he at least believed it at the time.
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 02:04:28 PM
i meant more in his non-answer answer. they are very very good at keeping people coming backBart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.i agree and like talking to him on twitter but once they log in over there its like fitz is the star fleet commander and the rest just write what he says/thinks
Bart truly believed in oscar in December of year 1 (his first year at GPC). We got into a heated drunken argument about it the weekend we beat Texas for the B12 title. If he is just following Fitz, he at least believed it at the time.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 30, 2015, 02:06:29 PM
Post by: Pendergast on March 30, 2015, 02:07:15 PM
I only want 20+ win seasons and NCAA bids like everyone else.
Then why not hope that the primary or possibly secondary (AD Currie being primary) person causing this desire to be impossible be fired? Logic does not make sense. You're implying you think oscar can do this. He cannot.
Post by: Trim on March 30, 2015, 02:09:56 PM
steve dave pointed out that there are reports that oscar's seat isn't even warm. I don't think that's true. I don't think the AD would make an announcement or even let it slip out if it was. It's pretty silly to think it's not warm. I'd say Currie believes his seat is warm, but it's still hard to imagine a scenario in which that seat ever becomes hot in oppose to warm.
Do you live most of the year in antarctica?
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 02:10:15 PM
steve dave pointed out that there are reports that oscar's seat isn't even warm. I don't think that's true. I don't think the AD would make an announcement or even let it slip out if it was. It's pretty silly to think it's not warm. I'd say Currie believes his seat is warm, but it's still hard to imagine a scenario in which that seat ever becomes hot in oppose to warm.
Yep. The last thing the AD wants is for people to be freaking out about how much bball sucks. Like it or not, most people aren't freaking out. I don't think it's hard to imagine it will become hot either. Currie doesn't need an absolute failure on his watch (he's already got one though, imo). Much easier to publicly support his hire for another year, not scare off potential hires with a quick hook.
He gets rid of oscar after next season then he can say "Welp, we got a Big 12 title out of it, and two NCAAs..." If he can make a splash hire, which I'm sure he believes he can, he probably believes he can do so without so much as a blip in season tickets and fan support. In the end that's all he probably cares about.
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
If he can make a splash hire.
i think it would be very difficult for him to hire anyone but underwood. that makes me happy. but i could see that it might make currie reluctant to fire weber, if he doesn't want underwood (i don't think that's the case, just considering it as a possibility).
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 02:20:36 PM
If he can make a splash hire.
i think it would be very difficult for him to hire anyone but underwood. that makes me happy. but i could see that it might make currie reluctant to fire weber, if he doesn't want underwood (i don't think that's the case, just considering it as a possibility).
That's possible.
I'd be all for Underwood as well, but have people considered the possibility of IF (big if) Underwood couldn't get it done, how tough it would be to fire him? I mean, if people think tuck fans are reluctant to fire oscar, the longevity of support for Brad would probably quadruple that. IMO.
Post by: Trim on March 30, 2015, 02:22:25 PM
If he can make a splash hire.
i think it would be very difficult for him to hire anyone but underwood. that makes me happy. but i could see that it might make currie reluctant to fire weber, if he doesn't want underwood (i don't think that's the case, just considering it as a possibility).
That's possible.
I'd be all for Underwood as well, but have people considered the possibility of IF (big if) Underwood couldn't get it done, how tough it would be to fire him? I mean, if people think tuck fans are reluctant to fire oscar, the longevity of support for Brad would probably quadruple that. IMO.
We'd leak grumblings of drugs.
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 02:23:43 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2015, 02:26:35 PM
If he can make a splash hire.
i think it would be very difficult for him to hire anyone but underwood. that makes me happy. but i could see that it might make currie reluctant to fire weber, if he doesn't want underwood (i don't think that's the case, just considering it as a possibility).
That's possible.
I'd be all for Underwood as well, but have people considered the possibility of IF (big if) Underwood couldn't get it done, how tough it would be to fire him? I mean, if people think tuck fans are reluctant to fire oscar, the longevity of support for Brad would probably quadruple that. IMO.
Brad would only be hard to fire if he's having success. Nobody likes a loser, alumni or not.
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.you come off as though you're still in the wait and see mode. a lot of people here have already seen enough. hence the discussion.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
Fair enough, Pclams, and some are quite angry, too. It is only sports, not life or death. I have been guilty of posting some anger comments and my parole officer says that is counterproductive, I'm trying to quit.
I only want 20+ win seasons and NCAA bids like everyone else. And since Weber is staying put, I can only hope he starts winning again, optimism. I wouldn't consider rooting for them to lose 20 games next season as fun? So, if anyone wants to bash me because I want K-State to be a winner next year, go f*** yourself. Damn, did it again.
anger comments are good here, you're fine. i might think you're a dumbass, but you're fine.
Post by: Bookcat on March 30, 2015, 02:33:44 PM
:dubious:
Post by: Catman2 on March 30, 2015, 02:33:54 PM
You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not defending or trashing Weber.you come off as though you're still in the wait and see mode. a lot of people here have already seen enough. hence the discussion.
I am just saying he has had similar problems before and we will see if the situation improves this time.
Fair enough, Pclams, and some are quite angry, too. It is only sports, not life or death. I have been guilty of posting some anger comments and my parole officer says that is counterproductive, I'm trying to quit.
I only want 20+ win seasons and NCAA bids like everyone else. And since Weber is staying put, I can only hope he starts winning again, optimism. I wouldn't consider rooting for them to lose 20 games next season as fun? So, if anyone wants to bash me because I want K-State to be a winner next year, go f*** yourself. Damn, did it again.
anger comments are good here, you're fine. i might think you're a dumbass, but you're fine.
Thanks, pclams, but optimistic dumbass. What a pal.
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 03:00:48 PM
good lord guys fix the quotes
its the site
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 03:07:54 PM
GOOD LORD GUYS FIX THE SITEgood lord guys fix the quotes
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Post by: CHONGS on March 30, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Actually it was Catman2 who messed up the quotes a page back and it propagated forward. I fixed it.GOOD LORD GUYS FIX THE SITEgood lord guys fix the quotes
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Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 03:40:20 PM
If Underwood gets hired "back" to KSU. I'll be on this board a LOT more. Careful what you wish for.
:dubious:
that would be wonderful.
Post by: chum1 on March 30, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2015, 03:48:44 PM
I enjoyed this past season just as much as Weber's previous two. The drama has been fantastic. I think I will enjoy next year, too. I mean, what the hell is going to happen next year? No one has any idea!
I'm pretty sure a whole lot of losing is going to happen next year.
Post by: chum1 on March 30, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
I enjoyed this past season just as much as Weber's previous two. The drama has been fantastic. I think I will enjoy next year, too. I mean, what the hell is going to happen next year? No one has any idea!
I'm pretty sure a whole lot of losing is going to happen next year.
That would be great news for lots of people here who like to bitch about losing.
Post by: Benja on March 30, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.
Not to be mean but who rough ridin' cares if he's a good dude? I know lots of good dudes.
Post by: 8manpick on March 30, 2015, 05:16:06 PM
Just an observation about a person.Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.
Not to be mean but who rough ridin' cares if he's a good dude? I know lots of good dudes.
2nd observation:
Benja: Decent Cats fan; Low / medium dude
Post by: Benja on March 30, 2015, 05:26:19 PM
Just an observation about a person.Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.
Not to be mean but who rough ridin' cares if he's a good dude? I know lots of good dudes.
2nd observation:
Benja: Decent Cats fan; Low / medium dude
I'm typically a pretty nice guy irl. Hope you have a nice day 8man.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Post by: 8manpick on March 30, 2015, 05:33:47 PM
Just an observation about a person.Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.
Not to be mean but who rough ridin' cares if he's a good dude? I know lots of good dudes.
2nd observation:
Benja: Decent Cats fan; Low / medium dude
I'm typically a pretty nice guy irl. Hope you have a nice day 8man.
I was perhaps a bit heavy handed, but my intention was to call attention that you lashed out at my comment being slightly more off topic than others (in a thread ostensibly about Nigel) for no real reason.
I hope you have a nice evening as well
Post by: Benja on March 30, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
Just an observation about a person.Bart is a good dude, and a good cats fan.
Not to be mean but who rough ridin' cares if he's a good dude? I know lots of good dudes.
2nd observation:
Benja: Decent Cats fan; Low / medium dude
I'm typically a pretty nice guy irl. Hope you have a nice day 8man.
I was perhaps a bit heavy handed, but my intention was to call attention that you lashed out at my comment being slightly more off topic than others (in a thread ostensibly about Nigel) for no real reason.
I hope you have a nice evening as well
Oh no I wasn't saying that because it was off topic. Actually I didn't even really want to get into this because I don't care a whole lot either way, but I do sometimes wish the gpc guys were held more accountable for their work, just because its my cats and I feel like its sort of a desirable cool job to have (although maybe not) and also it would actually be nice to have good cats coverage by someone now that I don't live in Manhattan anymore. Mostly I just joke around about it by hypothetically it would be pretty rad to have super great cats coverage.
Post by: That_Guy on March 30, 2015, 06:11:38 PM
Just want to say that I'm a better Cats fan than all you guys
Zeal
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Post by: slobber on March 30, 2015, 07:04:44 PM
I could feel his presence permeating throughout all of San Francisco last week.Just want to say that I'm a better Cats fan than all you guys
Zeal
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Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: kslim on March 30, 2015, 07:54:57 PM
thanks moderator chingonActually it was Catman2 who messed up the quotes a page back and it propagated forward. I fixed it.GOOD LORD GUYS FIX THE SITEgood lord guys fix the quotes
its the site
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 30, 2015, 08:00:42 PM
Just want to say that I'm a better Cats fan than all you guys
prove it. which mhk elementary school did you go to?
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 08:02:31 PM
Ha! Townies have it easy. My fan struggle was real and I'm better than you because of it.Just want to say that I'm a better Cats fan than all you guys
prove it. which mhk elementary school did you go to?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 30, 2015, 08:05:11 PM
Ha! Townies have it easy. My fan struggle was real and I'm better than you because of it.Just want to say that I'm a better Cats fan than all you guys
prove it. which mhk elementary school did you go to?
omg don't ever change :lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on March 30, 2015, 08:06:37 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 30, 2015, 08:11:49 PM
Post by: PIPE on March 30, 2015, 08:25:37 PM
This thread has gone to the pot... :sdeek:
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
So.......is Nigel gone or what? Hambone?
This thread has gone to the pot... :sdeek:
Ya, woof city
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 08:27:58 PM
you can lead a horse to water, as they say
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 08:30:25 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 30, 2015, 08:39:47 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 08:42:19 PM
anything worse than a townie? you bet, it's the ex-townie claiming townieship. just let it go.
Post by: chum1 on March 30, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
imo.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 30, 2015, 09:06:15 PM
the idea of being a fan of a school just because you attended that school is so bizarre and ridiculous. anyone who isn't a fan of the nearest university to where they were born and raised is a flawed human being.
imo.
What if they play athletics at a university across the country, sys? Huh? What then?
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 09:08:12 PM
What if they play athletics at a university across the country, sys? Huh? What then?
they should still be fans of whatever university they are townies of.
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 09:15:42 PM
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
what if you lived closer to mcc than ksu?
that's a tough question, pissclams. and tough luck for mcc neighbors.
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2015, 09:56:07 PM
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Post by: That_Guy on March 30, 2015, 10:53:27 PM
No problem with T-Shirt fans being fans, and I really shouldn't say that the way they act is a problem, because most of the time it's hilarious in all its glory.This x 10
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Post by: wabash909 on March 31, 2015, 01:08:37 AM
Here's the deal, folks.
The silence can be looked at two ways: There's either no news to be had or it's the calm before the storm. I don't really know what's going to happen, and I'm being perfectly honest. There's no hiding or sugarcoating here. Part of me thinks he stays because he'll be a junior with some inexperienced guys coming in behind him and the other part believes he will leave to get guaranteed playing time elsewhere. The decision is his. I wish I had a better answer.
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Consistent mixed messages would indicate to me that the decision is in Nigel's circle and he hasn't been forthcoming with his thought process with anyone around here. My guess is he's pondering a transfer closer to home to be guaranteed playing time because K-State has verbals from two pure point guards and signed a combo guard in this class.
At the end of the day, I want kids in the program who are willing and ready to compete for playing time, even if that means nine new bodies. Either be 100 percent invested or don't be at K-State.
Post by: Pete on March 31, 2015, 07:49:52 AM
If hambone had inspected each locker, my guess is he would have found at least one locker with two different sizes of shoes.
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Consistent mixed messages would indicate to me that the decision is in Nigel's circle and he hasn't been forthcoming with his thought process with anyone around here. My guess is he's pondering a transfer closer to home to be guaranteed playing time because K-State has verbals from two pure point guards and signed a combo guard in this class.
At the end of the day, I want kids in the program who are willing and ready to compete for playing time, even if that means nine new bodies. Either be 100 percent invested or don't be at K-State.
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If I speculate will you guys thank me and give me money?how many bowling shirts do you own?
Because I'll do it.
Post by: ben ji on March 31, 2015, 08:59:51 AM
i hated the prince hire, could see right through his bs. although in full disclosure i did start a thread the night of the texas win (i was boozed) entitled "I BELIEVE". prob the low point of my bbs life.
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=16568.msg210048#msg210048
Mich was on board too.
totally. I still love the philosophy behind the Prince hire, he just turned out to be a crazy kook and I was fine with letting him go.
My first attempt at bbs'n was on KSUFans directly after we won at texas. Screen Name "Prince's Jester", I was all in man.
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2015, 09:07:54 AM
Post by: CHONGS on March 31, 2015, 09:20:39 AM
lol at the idea that nigel doesn't want to compete for playing time if he transfers and he's not just trying to get as far away from this staff as possiblethis was the same story floated out when Angel left as well....
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Post by: Skipper44 on March 31, 2015, 09:34:10 AM
Jevon was coming!lol at the idea that nigel doesn't want to compete for playing time if he transfers and he's not just trying to get as far away from this staff as possiblethis was the same story floated out when Angel left as well....
Post by: 1863 on March 31, 2015, 09:45:59 AM
Post by: SdK on March 31, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
Does anyone know what schools he is looking at? Could someone go scope their lockers and check for his name?St. Johns or Providence
Post by: kslim on March 31, 2015, 09:49:25 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2015, 10:05:13 AM
If I speculate will you guys thank me and give me money?how many bowling shirts do you own?
Because I'll do it.
How many will it take?
Post by: kslim on March 31, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
all of themIf I speculate will you guys thank me and give me money?how many bowling shirts do you own?
Because I'll do it.
How many will it take?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2015, 10:13:40 AM
all of themIf I speculate will you guys thank me and give me money?how many bowling shirts do you own?
Because I'll do it.
How many will it take?
Welp, better hit the thrift shops today.
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2015, 11:53:34 AM
So it was OK for you to have the opinion that Prince was a terrible hire and to not give him a chance because a) you didn't like the hire and b) didn't like his personality, but people who thought Weber was a terrible hire and didn't give him the full chance you think he should have received (and still should be getting) "hate oscar so much they want the program to fail"?It's amazing how much more patience GOSP has for oscar than he had for Prince. Like shocking really, he was gunning to Prince to be fired essentially as soon as he was hired. But he still needs more time to figure out ole oscar-y boy.
And its doubly ironic that he pulls this "I don't hate the program enought..." BS when he was rooting for the football team to lose because he wanted Prince out.
Oh my. I hated the Prince hire, yes. My argument was he was horribly unqualified. (Less qualified than Snyder when we hired him, even though our program was in a much better place, was how I put it.) I've argued in lots of posts that I prefer hiring coaches who have experience. I made the same argument against hiring Venables until he proved himself at Clemson in my eyes. I thought the whole Doug Gottlieb thing was a joke for the same reason.
But sure, stir the pot and label me a racist, bad person. (Sorry filter is on at work.)
I doubt race has much part to play in your stance on this, but it all has to do with the fact that you liked oscar, liked what he stood for, liked the type of basketball you think he idealizes while you didn't like Prince, what he stood for, the style of football he played. You didn't wait for Prince to fail two years in a row.
Well thanks for walking back your position a bit to the point where you're accusing me of being only somewhat racist, and calling it a stylistic difference. You're still overstating the matter though, and still an bad person for doing so. You don't know me.
What Prince stood for? I had no opinion on what Prince "stood for." Winning and losing coaches come in all types. rough ridin' hell man, I don't even know what to write to you. Once you level an accusation like that online there's no way to respond appropriately. That I had friends of many different races and religions growing up and didn't even realize it? Including my best friend as a kid? True, but "that's what a racist would say!" That I've lived comfortably in neighborhoods in Brooklyn where whites were about a 2% minority? True, but "that's how a racist would defend himself." That I've been employed as a community advocate for underpriviliged communities of color? Yes, but "he hated Prince, ipso facto RACIST!"
Okay fine, FIRE WEBER NOW! BURN IT DOWN! Am I edgy now? Am I not a racist anymore?
My arguments for oscar had nothing to do with style. I didn't know jack crap about his style when he was hired, I just knew his win-loss numbers, so I relied on those. Whatever, man. Whatever.
Can we get back to the discussion of what a great overreaction this was? I don't think it received enough attention. :D
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2015, 12:13:22 PM
Does anyone know what schools he is looking at? Could someone go scope their lockers and check for his name?He should go to George Washington.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2015, 12:14:42 PM
Oh man, I'm good.Does anyone know what schools he is looking at? Could someone go scope their lockers and check for his name?He should go to George Washington.
http://sports.yahoo.com/tcu/basketball/recruiting/player-Nigel-Johnson-111414
Post by: wabash909 on March 31, 2015, 12:50:04 PM
Post by: kslim on March 31, 2015, 12:57:09 PM
It's silly to speculate because NONE OF US know what is going on but this could be just as simple as Nigel's nameplate falling off his locker. Not trying to sugarcoat anything but adhesives and mechanical fasteners are funny things and if his nameplate wasn't affixed properly it could have easily fallen off. I'm sure there is a logical explanation. If I had to guess, maybe, well then again we arent hearing much so I dont know.ftfy as spoken by fitz
Post by: wabash909 on March 31, 2015, 01:13:11 PM
the best thing is the posts following that thanking fitz for working so hard. he is the bitb at tuck talk
Some absolute gems.
I enjoyed this one immensely.
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Post by: slobber on March 31, 2015, 01:15:02 PM
Of course it's the only idiot from Seneca.the best thing is the posts following that thanking fitz for working so hard. he is the bitb at tuck talk
Some absolute gems.
I enjoyed this one immensely.QuoteShawn63200
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Thanks Brett.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2015, 01:24:35 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 31, 2015, 01:27:00 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
lapriq, does that mean we would have to shut the program down? Because I might be ok with that
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 31, 2015, 01:33:21 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
Maybe Nigel needs to earn his release. :runaway:
But yea.
Post by: catzacker on March 31, 2015, 01:36:43 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
What do they have to have/do when they leave? Just be in some degree track or a specified # of hours? Is it still tied to them doing well at their next institution? I can't remember. I am sure John is well aware.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2015, 01:43:43 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
lapriq, does that mean we would have to shut the program down? Because I might be ok with that
Worst case is a postseason ban but the cruel irony is that if that happens it could be under another coach because the APR reporting lags a little bit. Essentially one of the APR components, retention, we obviously will have an issue with. Another potential issue is that all of these guys transferring stay on our books as far as grad rates. So if they don't eventually graduate, 6 years I think, we take the hit. There is an appeal process so that leaves Currie an opportunity to potentially trash these guys on the record.
Post by: Trim on March 31, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
TCfS :love:
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2015, 01:45:26 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
lapriq, does that mean we would have to shut the program down? Because I might be ok with that
Worst case is a postseason ban but the cruel irony is that if that happens it could be under another coach because the APR reporting lags a little bit. Essentially one of the APR components, retention, we obviously will have an issue with. Another potential issue is that all of these guys transferring stay on our books as far as grad rates. So if they don't eventually graduate, 6 years I think, we take the hit. There is an appeal process so that leaves Currie an opportunity to potentially trash these guys on the record.
this is his time to shine
Post by: sys on March 31, 2015, 01:46:37 PM
Currie an opportunity to potentially trash these guys on the record.
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Post by: illBisonYourdele on March 31, 2015, 04:09:42 PM
Shawn63200 is making us Phoenicians look stupid. He's probably some 70 year old loser like half our residents. I should track him down at the next Cactus Cats event and confront him.
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Shawn63200 is making us Phoenicians look stupid. He's probably some 70 year old loser like half our residents. I should track him down at the next Cactus Cats event and confront him.
This should make it easier to locate him: https://twitter.com/shawn63200
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This one was also particularly delightful.Quotefunster
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It may be "your job", but it's greatly appreciated, nonetheless. Here's another $10 dollars for your efforts and great work.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2015, 04:28:17 PM
Anyone else even mildly concerned about our APR with losing half of our scholarship players?
We could be in a similar situation as UNC, who is walking a fine line right now, because it only takes a couple of guys, and BLAM-O, you've got APR problems . . .friend.
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:lol:Of course it's the only idiot from Seneca.the best thing is the posts following that thanking fitz for working so hard. he is the bitb at tuck talk
Some absolute gems.
I enjoyed this one immensely.QuoteShawn63200
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Thanks Brett.
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Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Benja on March 31, 2015, 04:51:54 PM
Am I edgy now? Am I not a racist anymore?
The word.
Post by: slobber on March 31, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2015, 05:35:14 PM
As long as their academics are in good shape, APR shouldn't be a big deal.
Like I said retention is a component and these guys still have to graduate.
Post by: slobber on March 31, 2015, 05:38:32 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: kslim on March 31, 2015, 07:19:51 PM
Omg. I know him. :facepalm:it happens ya know, meeting people on the Internet you know in real life. Just try not to punch them in the face. They could throw the 16 goals in your face for the rest of your life if you did
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: wabash909 on March 31, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
btw, i have loved 909's nigel's future is unknown & unknowable posts.
Thanks, sys. I enjoyed posting them.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 31, 2015, 10:12:24 PM
I should go back and quote pan on his analogy of the season and a 4 month dental appointment. I'd even take it a step further. It's like there is this really young, hot receptionist and an even hotter hygienist working at the dentist, and every day you show up thinking you might get to talk to the hot receptionist and, fingers crossed, the hot hygienist is the one to clean your teeth. However, the hot receptionist is out on 6 month maternity leave and you always end up with the ugly, middle aged hygienist. (Too GPCy? I didn't even mention that both of these hot women have really great bazoongas!)
Gonna win 'em all!
Be careful, dobber.
I know from experience the hot hygienist with the big bazoongas is batshit crazy. :Crazy:
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#bookiebrag
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It was a take from the last page on all the guessing the gpc staff does'slim, you know I have to give you the bizness, right? I mean, you gave me crap about the lit photo and I was right and you never owned up. I'm going to #blessed the crap out of you from now on until eternity. :shakesfist:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 03, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
really give him the bizness end of your keyboard wacky, he deserves itHe's gonna get so rough ridin' zapped, he'll feel it all the way in Topeka. :shakesfist:
Post by: SdK on April 03, 2015, 11:16:28 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 03, 2015, 11:18:47 AM
This board is so angry lately.
#watchus #postangry
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on April 03, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
This board is so angry lately.
#watchus #postangry
Frank used to handle a lot of the Angry, now we are overcompensating #MyTwoCents. Having future Wildcat Superstar Marcus Foster fall off the rough riding horse is extra fuel on the fire.
Post by: kslim on April 03, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
not in topeka anymore :Wha:really give him the bizness end of your keyboard wacky, he deserves itHe's gonna get so rough ridin' zapped, he'll feel it all the way in Topeka. :shakesfist:
Post by: wabash909 on April 03, 2015, 01:56:24 PM
Joesw can't be real. Like, there's no way.
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from what Brett and Fitz said the other day, it is really hard to pin this one down. It sounded like the ball was in Nigel's court and it was up to him if he was taking it and moving on, or picking it up and still shooting.
This coaching staff is making sure guys want to be here. it also sounds like he had better hurry up and make a deicision
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from what Brett and Fitz said the other day, it is really hard to pin this one down. It sounded like the ball was in Nigel's court and it was up to him if he was taking it and moving on, or picking it up and still shooting.
This coaching staff is making sure guys want to be here. it also sounds like he had better hurry up and make a deicision
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Well, this clears things up for me.......you guys too?
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Do they not even see the stupidity in what they say? I am a 40 something 1/2 tuck and my head explodes when they write crap like that as if it is some great insider information and they are up to speed thanks to Fitz and Brett.:lol:
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from what Brett and Fitz said the other day, it is really hard to pin this one down. It sounded like the ball was in Nigel's court and it was up to him if he was taking it and moving on, or picking it up and still shooting.
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Well, this clears things up for me.......you guys too?
How in the hell can you be tasked with reporting on K-State sports and not have anything more than that after at least a week? In the real world, people are fed tiny bits of information and then expected to provide a full report to CEO's, leadership teams, and boards within a day. Millions of dollars are often riding on those reports. But "7 Days and we still don't know crap" is great work when it comes to something as difficult as "is this kid gonna stay here or leave?"
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Post by: bones129 on April 03, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
This coaching staff is making sure guys want to be here.
:lol:
Post by: Kat Kid on April 03, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
thanks for all you do SD.
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Post by: pissclams on April 03, 2015, 11:34:30 PM
He's a better businessman than 99% of this board, myself included. The riches are in the niches and he has exploited his about as effectively as possible.lol
Post by: Dub on April 04, 2015, 12:41:32 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 02:13:03 AM
Fitz has made decent money on the place and probably still does. You guys can mock their coverage and writing and them as human beings for whatever reason and whatever else you guys do but on the business side of things he has a good thing going for him. If this was a for-profit thing for us I would like to have a similar arrangement. unfortunately I have to pound out thousands of elite level posts a year to even placate you guys enough to pay our server costs.I've posted this before, but his subscribers don't care about scoops/breaking news, they care about their K-state centric viewpoint plus the rivals recruiting network. Honestly, no one touches them when it comes to the overall depth of coverage they provide on KSU sports, and that's why they're successful.
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Wow, never would have guessed that this would turn into a fellate Fitz thread:thumbs:
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2015, 09:53:07 AM
Yeah, Fitz is BITB when it comes to K-State sports. There ware plenty of opportunities for someone to do something similar on the scout network, but all those failed miserably. Fitz built a sustainable service that has now lasted over 15 years.KSU isn't big enough, and doesn't have the fanbase, to support two sites of that size. you would have to steal customers. Customers that are of the mindset that no matter what happens, when related to ksu, you personally don't make a change, you ride it out. Otherwise you are disloyal, even though you are paying for something and not being given it for free.
Fitz is lucky with the timing and the demographic. He is one step above a paper(I mean, he still publishes actual paper quarterly). Don't get me wrong, he is def giving what is wanted, but let's not act like he is Steve Jobs or anything.
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 12:00:22 PM
Yeah, Fitz is BITB when it comes to K-State sports. There ware plenty of opportunities for someone to do something similar on the scout network, but all those failed miserably. Fitz built a sustainable service that has now lasted over 15 years.KSU isn't big enough, and doesn't have the fanbase, to support two sites of that size. you would have to steal customers. Customers that are of the mindset that no matter what happens, when related to ksu, you personally don't make a change, you ride it out. Otherwise you are disloyal, even though you are paying for something and not being given it for free.
Fitz is lucky with the timing and the demographic. He is one step above a paper(I mean, he still publishes actual paper quarterly). Don't get me wrong, he is def giving what is wanted, but let's not act like he is Steve Jobs or anything.
he's just saying he's done a fine job building a sustainable business and I'm saying his customers don't care about breaking news, no one is comparing him to steve jobs, my goodness.
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2015, 12:05:44 PM
His formula is to cycle through young intern level reporters like Brett Regan and a couple part time guys like Brian Gates and DJamer Wally for the bare minimum on the recruiting front. And one senior guy on staff in D Scott to pound out the personal interest fluff pieces. The reality is, that's good enough for most of his subscription base.
The fact that his business exists in a unique media space where there is essentially no competition all works to his advantage. There simply isn't any competition that stems from the two major media markets. The Star and Eagle are both nearly extinct and share a beat writer. There is no Jeffrey Martin to embarrass him any longer. Why should Fitz be anything more than lazy when he doesn't have to.
Dude has it on cruise control and is getting by just fine with the current model.
Post by: scottwildcat on April 04, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 12:16:49 PM
I've posted this before, but his subscribers don't care about scoops/breaking news, they care about their K-state centric viewpoint plus the rivals recruiting network. Honestly, no one touches them when it comes to the overall depth of coverage they provide on KSU sports, and that's why they're successful.
i don't think it's even that. i think most of them pay him to access an active message board of like-minded fans. any coverage they provide is like a bonus, which is why no one cares that the coverage sucks.
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 12:21:06 PM
the gpc messageboarders don't have that option.
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 12:24:28 PM
I've posted this before, but his subscribers don't care about scoops/breaking news, they care about their K-state centric viewpoint plus the rivals recruiting network. Honestly, no one touches them when it comes to the overall depth of coverage they provide on KSU sports, and that's why they're successful.
i don't think it's even that. i think most of them pay him to access an active message board of like-minded fans. any coverage they provide is like a bonus, which is why no one cares that the coverage sucks.
maybe. keep in mind that I haven't read any of his coverage in years, I just assume people love the Fitz opinion pieces and D. Scott pieces and having beat writers at every game who cover only KSU full-time.
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2015, 12:24:45 PM
The site doesn't always get the same level of interviews, but that is improving. Luke Thompson recently interviewed Ryan Muller via a podcast, and Derek Smith (who now writes for the Junction City paper) had a long form article with multiple players from the 03 team. Snyder has even been interviewed a few times.
I take credit for none of that because I'm associated in name (i.e. avatar) only now, but Fitz does see it as a threat. He has removed links before, and when I had a GPC sub, he removed one of my links and said it was Rivals policy because they viewed SB Nation as a competitor. That was nearly five years ago when we were 90% smaller than we are now.
I'd love nothing more than to eat into his profits, and if the site is even doing that a little bit, I'm incredibly happy.
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
I've posted this before, but his subscribers don't care about scoops/breaking news, they care about their K-state centric viewpoint plus the rivals recruiting network. Honestly, no one touches them when it comes to the overall depth of coverage they provide on KSU sports, and that's why they're successful.
i don't think it's even that. i think most of them pay him to access an active message board of like-minded fans. any coverage they provide is like a bonus, which is why no one cares that the coverage sucks.
maybe. keep in mind that I haven't read any of his coverage in years, I just assume people love the Fitz opinion pieces and D. Scott pieces and having beat writers at every game who cover only KSU full-time.
i think they do love the d scott fluff pieces, but i don't think they're paying for that. i don't think they actually care much about the fitz articles or the other writers' articles, but i think they are paying some for having people that write articles, attend games and press conferences, call recruits, etc. post on the messageboard and respond to posted questions.
like they're not paying for the writing itself, but they are paying for access to people with the implied credibility of being beat/recruiting writers.
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2015, 12:36:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 12:38:48 PM
I've posted this before, but his subscribers don't care about scoops/breaking news, they care about their K-state centric viewpoint plus the rivals recruiting network. Honestly, no one touches them when it comes to the overall depth of coverage they provide on KSU sports, and that's why they're successful.
i don't think it's even that. i think most of them pay him to access an active message board of like-minded fans. any coverage they provide is like a bonus, which is why no one cares that the coverage sucks.
maybe. keep in mind that I haven't read any of his coverage in years, I just assume people love the Fitz opinion pieces and D. Scott pieces and having beat writers at every game who cover only KSU full-time.
i think they do love the d scott fluff pieces, but i don't think they're paying for that. i don't think they actually care much about the fitz articles or the other writers' articles, but i think they are paying some for having people that write articles, attend games and press conferences, call recruits, etc. post on the messageboard and respond to posted questions.
like they're not paying for the writing itself, but they are paying for access to people with the implied credibility of being beat/recruiting writers.
yes, that makes sense
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2015, 12:39:07 PM
like they're not paying for the writing itself, but they are paying for access to people with the implied credibility of being beat/recruiting writers.
Yes, people like feeling like they're part of something exclusive.
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2015, 01:28:45 PM
FITZ appeals to the demographic that doesn't know how to use Twitter.i'm included in the don't know how to use Twitter group but he DOES NOT appeal to me
Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2015, 01:29:16 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 01:30:40 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2015, 01:39:36 PM
Fitz means well. Is he creepy and full of non info? Yes. But he's always been nice to me and doesn't deserve half the crap he gets from here at times. It's kinda creepy how some gE'rs prey on him. He doesn't give a eff about you, why do some of you care so much about him?professional tip: he does care about us
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2015, 01:40:34 PM
Fitz means well. Is he creepy and full of non info? Yes. But he's always been nice to me and doesn't deserve half the crap he gets from here at times. It's kinda creepy how some gE'rs prey on him. He doesn't give a eff about you, why do some of you care so much about him?
clueless
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 01:41:08 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2015, 01:43:21 PM
I've posted this before, but his subscribers don't care about scoops/breaking news, they care about their K-state centric viewpoint plus the rivals recruiting network. Honestly, no one touches them when it comes to the overall depth of coverage they provide on KSU sports, and that's why they're successful.
i don't think it's even that. i think most of them pay him to access an active message board of like-minded fans. any coverage they provide is like a bonus, which is why no one cares that the coverage sucks.
maybe. keep in mind that I haven't read any of his coverage in years, I just assume people love the Fitz opinion pieces and D. Scott pieces and having beat writers at every game who cover only KSU full-time.
i think they do love the d scott fluff pieces, but i don't think they're paying for that. i don't think they actually care much about the fitz articles or the other writers' articles, but i think they are paying some for having people that write articles, attend games and press conferences, call recruits, etc. post on the messageboard and respond to posted questions.
like they're not paying for the writing itself, but they are paying for access to people with the implied credibility of being beat/recruiting writers.
they respond with "hard to say" and "he isn't answering his phone" so I guess if that is news then good on them.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 01:47:25 PM
What has he done to you personally?Fitz means well. Is he creepy and full of non info? Yes. But he's always been nice to me and doesn't deserve half the crap he gets from here at times. It's kinda creepy how some gE'rs prey on him. He doesn't give a eff about you, why do some of you care so much about him?
clueless
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
wacky he is on here more than Tobias isIt's a free site. Why not? :dunno:
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2015, 01:51:26 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2015, 01:54:54 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
What has he done to you personally?Fitz means well. Is he creepy and full of non info? Yes. But he's always been nice to me and doesn't deserve half the crap he gets from here at times. It's kinda creepy how some gE'rs prey on him. He doesn't give a eff about you, why do some of you care so much about him?
clueless
lol
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 01:56:44 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2015, 01:58:44 PM
Well, that is really dumb. A complete Munson move by him. However, most hate him cause they were dumb enough to pay for a site to blog too and get no real information in return. Those ppl are just plain dumbasses.
Yeah, that would be a dumb reason.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
Well, that is really dumb. A complete Munson move by him. However, most hate him cause they were dumb enough to pay for a site to blog too and get no real information in return. Those ppl are just plain dumbasses.
I don't know anyone that hates him. In fact, I don't know any of my friends who actually hate anyone.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 02:00:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2015, 02:02:24 PM
Sure thing, momma fitz. :lol: I do like you way more than fitz, but find that hilarious.
lol, wut?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
You're talking about a guy that was on the losing end of a 1/4 million dollar judgement for stealing the complete mailing list of his former employer to start his business.
Dude has more vendettas than most grown men I've ever encountered.
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
The "Nigel" thread is almost never about Nigel anymore. It's impossible to predict exactly what it will be about at any given moment, except that it won't be about Nigel!
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2015, 02:50:50 PM
I'm not trying to start anything, but we've all done some dumb crap. I just don't care about him enough to stalk him on twitter. I get why some go after him, but he just doesn't appeal to me. He tried to jump start my career and reached out to a lot of ppl for me, so maybe that's why I can see past him hitting on college girls and rough ridin' up the Patterson thing for us. :dunno:
He doesn't appeal to a lot of people so you aren't alone.
Post by: BackPayne on April 04, 2015, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 04, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
Is Nigel, like, really gone? :dunno:
I mean, it's been a well circulated rumor for a couple weeks now, and neither Nigel or the staff has done anything to squash it, so... :dunno:
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Is Nigel, like, really gone? :dunno:
i think it's been well documented that his nameplate may or may not have been removed for polishing.
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 07:36:15 PM
Is Nigel, like, really gone? :dunno:
i think it's been well documented that his nameplate may or may not have been removed for polishing.
but we still don't know that for sure!
Post by: BackPayne on April 04, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
:runaway:Is Nigel, like, really gone? :dunno:
i think it's been well documented that his nameplate may or may not have been removed for polishing.
but we still don't know that for sure!
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I just don't understand why there has been no info shared over that time. It was on the board in that same timeframe, but noone could confirm, deny, or hint good or bad? Seems strange.
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I badly wanted to confirm at the time....but my source wouldn't let me until it was official. Clutts can back me up on this.
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 10:17:58 AM
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pulitzerdave wrote:
Waiting for the landslide of criticism blaming Weber for this ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... and counting -
I'm surprised it took 5 long minutes for you to respond. I don't think there's anything laughable about it. I think it speaks to the immaturity of kids today, and the selfishness and impatience of these players. This group enjoyed uncommon success early, and then decided that they were special and became delusional about how good they really were. That led to an attitude of entitlement. It's too bad that coach Weber couldn't have held their hands more often and guide them through elementary school ... which was the level of maturity for most of these guys. And to your list of recruits - Neville didn't qualify academically and Jack lost in a numbers game ... those things happen. But Foster and Nigel were pouters. Jevon will be better off with a new team and a new start. I still think he'll develop into a good player. I wish him the best. But the other two ... well, I'm kind of glad they're gone. Let's get some guys on the court who care about the team more than themselves.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 10:21:46 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Post by: joda on April 08, 2015, 10:32:52 AM
oscar's tenure had been like eating a big plate of spicy Indian food. The conference championship felt good when it happened, but you just knew the fire shits where coming and they burned as much as you expected.
Post by: That_Guy on April 08, 2015, 10:36:45 AM
oscar's tenure had been like eating a big plate of spicy Indian food. The conference championship felt good when it happened, but you just knew the fire shits where coming and they burned as much as you expected.
Lol great simile
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 10:38:31 AM
Quotepulitzerdave wrote:
Waiting for the landslide of criticism blaming Weber for this ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... and counting -
I'm surprised it took 5 long minutes for you to respond. I don't think there's anything laughable about it. I think it speaks to the immaturity of kids today, and the selfishness and impatience of these players. This group enjoyed uncommon success early, and then decided that they were special and became delusional about how good they really were. That led to an attitude of entitlement. It's too bad that coach Weber couldn't have held their hands more often and guide them through elementary school ... which was the level of maturity for most of these guys. And to your list of recruits - Neville didn't qualify academically and Jack lost in a numbers game ... those things happen. But Foster and Nigel were pouters. Jevon will be better off with a new team and a new start. I still think he'll develop into a good player. I wish him the best. But the other two ... well, I'm kind of glad they're gone. Let's get some guys on the court who care about the team more than themselves.
our fans, man. our rough ridin' fans
Post by: troubledscribe on April 08, 2015, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
I'm pretty sure every fan base has dumb fucks like these, but who knows. :dunno:Quotepulitzerdave wrote:
Waiting for the landslide of criticism blaming Weber for this ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... and counting -
I'm surprised it took 5 long minutes for you to respond. I don't think there's anything laughable about it. I think it speaks to the immaturity of kids today, and the selfishness and impatience of these players. This group enjoyed uncommon success early, and then decided that they were special and became delusional about how good they really were. That led to an attitude of entitlement. It's too bad that coach Weber couldn't have held their hands more often and guide them through elementary school ... which was the level of maturity for most of these guys. And to your list of recruits - Neville didn't qualify academically and Jack lost in a numbers game ... those things happen. But Foster and Nigel were pouters. Jevon will be better off with a new team and a new start. I still think he'll develop into a good player. I wish him the best. But the other two ... well, I'm kind of glad they're gone. Let's get some guys on the court who care about the team more than themselves.
our fans, man. our rough ridin' fans
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2015, 10:42:21 AM
Post by: puniraptor on April 08, 2015, 10:44:48 AM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a turnover like this.
its almost possible to describe it as a mutiny?
Post by: Kat Kid on April 08, 2015, 10:45:20 AM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a turnover like this.
Well we would've seen this (or worse) had Frank stayed so I'm glad oscar is on the job to fix Frank's leftover hypothetical mess.
Post by: troubledscribe on April 08, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a turnover like this.
its almost possible to describe it as a mutiny?
oscar doesn't allow mutinies.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 10:47:01 AM
I'm pretty sure every fan base has dumb fucks like these, but who knows. :dunno:Quotepulitzerdave wrote:
Waiting for the landslide of criticism blaming Weber for this ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... and counting -
I'm surprised it took 5 long minutes for you to respond. I don't think there's anything laughable about it. I think it speaks to the immaturity of kids today, and the selfishness and impatience of these players. This group enjoyed uncommon success early, and then decided that they were special and became delusional about how good they really were. That led to an attitude of entitlement. It's too bad that coach Weber couldn't have held their hands more often and guide them through elementary school ... which was the level of maturity for most of these guys. And to your list of recruits - Neville didn't qualify academically and Jack lost in a numbers game ... those things happen. But Foster and Nigel were pouters. Jevon will be better off with a new team and a new start. I still think he'll develop into a good player. I wish him the best. But the other two ... well, I'm kind of glad they're gone. Let's get some guys on the court who care about the team more than themselves.
our fans, man. our rough ridin' fans
That doesn't make them any less of dumb fucks.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2015, 10:48:32 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 08, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
it's all just so great though because you had the dumb part of our fanbase arguing that frank leaving was good because all the players were going to leave and we needed to keep them and mutiny and all that stuff, but now they've flipped and the players leaving is a good thing because we need guys that want to be here, etc. just so beautiful to watch.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. The logical hoops people will jump through to support their narrative is fascinating sometimes.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 10:53:44 AM
Post by: SdK on April 08, 2015, 11:03:44 AM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 08, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on April 08, 2015, 11:16:28 AM
it's all just so great though because you had the dumb part of our fanbase arguing that frank leaving was good because all the players were going to leave and we needed to keep them and mutiny and all that stuff, but now they've flipped and the players leaving is a good thing because we need guys that want to be here, etc. just so beautiful to watch.
yeah but oscar is white and midwestern and meek and frank isn't any of those things. people leave those two for different reasons and the frank reasons are bad reasons (for frank) and the oscar reasons are good reasons (for oscar). those players were scared of and abused by frank. he was out of control. oscar's quitters just don't want to work hard and do things the right way. totally different.
Post by: ednksu on April 08, 2015, 11:19:33 AM
not that it matters, but Nigel was in fact kicked off.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7UnnTf-eWM
Post by: PIPE on April 08, 2015, 11:28:14 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2015, 11:29:48 AM
not that it matters, but Nigel was in fact kicked off.
kick him off looks way better for oscar with tucknation then nigel just leaving does. IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO WORK HARD AND DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY, THEN I DON'T WANT HIM HERE!
Post by: The Big Train on April 08, 2015, 11:30:50 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 11:31:24 AM
Well, at least the "Nigel's gone" thread in back on topic..................
this board delivers
Post by: ednksu on April 08, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
After much deliberation, I say farewell. Thank you to my KSU coaches, my teammates, KSU community, to all my fans & supporters. #EMAW
Post by: HamBoned on April 08, 2015, 11:33:31 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 11:34:50 AM
Nigel Johnson @TakingFlight_23 · 1h 1 hour ago
After much deliberation, I say farewell. Thank you to my KSU coaches, my teammates, KSU community, to all my fans & supporters. #EMAW
How do you deliberate being kicked off? something doesn't add up here guys... :raccoon:
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2015, 11:37:45 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 11:38:10 AM
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 11:38:21 AM
Quotepulitzerdave wrote:
Waiting for the landslide of criticism blaming Weber for this ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... and counting -
I'm surprised it took 5 long minutes for you to respond. I don't think there's anything laughable about it. I think it speaks to the immaturity of kids today, and the selfishness and impatience of these players. This group enjoyed uncommon success early, and then decided that they were special and became delusional about how good they really were. That led to an attitude of entitlement. It's too bad that coach Weber couldn't have held their hands more often and guide them through elementary school ... which was the level of maturity for most of these guys. And to your list of recruits - Neville didn't qualify academically and Jack lost in a numbers game ... those things happen. But Foster and Nigel were pouters. Jevon will be better off with a new team and a new start. I still think he'll develop into a good player. I wish him the best. But the other two ... well, I'm kind of glad they're gone. Let's get some guys on the court who care about the team more than themselves.
"Kids haven't changed. We've changed!"
vs
"...blah,blah,blah elementary durp durp hand holding fart-noises leadership...."
Post by: kso_FAN on April 08, 2015, 11:38:39 AM
Nigel Johnson @TakingFlight_23 · 1h 1 hour ago
After much deliberation, I say farewell. Thank you to my KSU coaches, my teammates, KSU community, to all my fans & supporters. #EMAW
How do you deliberate being kicked off? something doesn't add up here guys... :raccoon:
Maybe we waited until we got a myscommit from a really good player! :eye:
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
https://twitter.com/_Iwundu25/status/585843915317731328
Wes really wants us to DITR our faces off.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 11:39:27 AM
Tater is just a shill for oscar.
lol, but at this point it doesn't really matter to people if a player is kicked off or transfers, does it?
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 11:40:54 AM
Post by: Bookcat on April 08, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
Post by: kslim on April 08, 2015, 11:41:59 AM
Gip and Wes are definitely telling people to chillman, gip has me blocked. and it hurts
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2015, 11:42:05 AM
Nope... Just gEingTater is just a shill for oscar.
lol, but at this point it doesn't really matter to people if a player is kicked off or transfers, does it?
Post by: yoman on April 08, 2015, 11:43:11 AM
https://twitter.com/_Iwundu25/status/585843915317731328
Wes really wants us to DITR our faces off.
Can't blame him. He has the right attitude in a tough situation, and I feel bad for him. Hopefully a real coach will get to work with him his senior year.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 11:43:52 AM
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 3m
@JCJinICT every team goes through it. Duke had problems and they still won a chip.
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 10m
People claim they kstate basketball fans till turmoil hits! Now Kstate sucks right? Lemme ask you"When crap hits the fan, is u still a fan"?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 08, 2015, 11:44:11 AM
https://twitter.com/_Iwundu25/status/585843915317731328
Wes really wants us to DITR our faces off.
Why do people think Nigel was such a stud?
Post by: kslim on April 08, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
lack of options.https://twitter.com/_Iwundu25/status/585843915317731328
Wes really wants us to DITR our faces off.
Why do people think Nigel was such a stud?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2015, 11:46:10 AM
https://twitter.com/_Iwundu25/status/585843915317731328
Wes really wants us to DITR our faces off.
Why do people think Nigel was such a stud?
show me one post/person that every said/thought that. one.
Post by: The Big Train on April 08, 2015, 11:46:55 AM
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 11:47:11 AM
Also, the Gip thing about Duke doing this and still winning a 'ship :lol:
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 11:49:36 AM
it appears Gip is #teamBruce
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 3m
@JCJinICT every team goes through it. Duke had problems and they still won a chip.
Yep, the Cats and Duke, basically equal in roster talent :D
Post by: OK_Cat on April 08, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 11:52:39 AM
it appears Gip is #teamBruce
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 3m
@JCJinICT every team goes through it. Duke had problems and they still won a chip.
Yep, the Cats and Duke, basically equal in roster talent :D
The whole sister school thing is really confusing, you guys.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 11:54:10 AM
it appears Gip is #teamBruce
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 3m
@JCJinICT every team goes through it. Duke had problems and they still won a chip.
Yep, the Cats and Duke, basically equal in roster talent :D
coach K was pretty shitty his first four years at Duke :crossfingers:
Post by: the angry young man on April 08, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2015, 12:01:58 PM
most of us here had already decided that neither jevon, nor nigel, were skilled enough to play high major basketball.
i'm happy he's going somewhere else, he's getting good advice from somebody
Post by: HELLHAMMER on April 08, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on April 08, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
i'm somewhat surprised by some people's reactions to this news.
most of us here had already decided that neither jevon, nor nigel, were skilled enough to play high major basketball.
i'm happy he's going somewhere else, he's getting good advice from somebody
another brick in the wall
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 12:15:20 PM
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It is concerning, and is something that I would hope is under a very watchful eye of Currie. To say that it's all on Weber, which is basically what's beiing said with 'he either recruited very poorly, created a poor environment or both'. While I won't disagree there's blame for many, I do agree with Dave that this is more on these players. These aren't 10-12-14 year old kids. They are 18+ young adults. They certainly understand right from wrong and what behavoir is appropriate or not. And if they don't, that's on their parents, not the coach.
Maybe after getting here they decided they didn't like Weber and his style. But it sure didn't hurt Foster last year, instead he absolutely flourished. I didn't hear complaints coming from players about the coaching staff, unlike what was heard with Frank and ended with him deciding to leave. But even with whatever the players under Frank felt they were going thru, that didn't keep them from playing as hard as they could and beling team players. You can't say as much for many on this year's team, and that's on them. They control the effort they put out and the attitude they choose to have towards the team and KSU.
I think with all that took place this past season, it's better that all of those four are no longer a part of the team. And if there's more with the same attitude then they need to go elsewhere too. Who I feell the worse for is Gip and Nino and basically what was a wasted senior year for them. And remember, they said this wasn't Weber's fault but fell soley on their teammates.
I never cared for the Weber hire, as mention way to many times. He wouldn't have even been on my top 50 list as candidates. But I like the class he has coming in and hope for great success with them, even though it may mean having Weber as the coach for many years to come. I wished we'd have jumped on Howland, but that ship has sailed. Weber needs to show something positive this year, or I would hope Currie would decide it best to part ways and look for a better replacement.
But I'm not sure I get the 'should be unacceptable' line. I don't think anybody thinks this is a good thing having players come and leave like this, but things do sometimes happen. Certainly doesn't mean anyone believes it's acceptable, regardless where they want to put the blame. And also, if it does happen, what are anyone of us on this board really going to do about it? Make another 'mean' post?
I just want everyone that wants to leave to be gone and let the remaining and incoming have a chance to become a real team. I'm just ready to move forward.
Post by: steve dave on April 08, 2015, 12:17:40 PM
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 10m
People claim they kstate basketball fans till turmoil hits! Now Kstate sucks right? Lemme ask you"When crap hits the fan, is u still a fan"?
well, technically we sucked pretty bad before this most recent turmoil
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 08, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Odds to win 2016 hoop title, from @BovadaLV UNC 6/1, UK 8/1, Md/UVa 12/1, KU/Duke 16/1, ISU 18/1, Shox 50/1, Mizzou 100/1, KState 150/1
Post by: OK_Cat on April 08, 2015, 12:19:18 PM
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 10m
People claim they kstate basketball fans till turmoil hits! Now Kstate sucks right? Lemme ask you"When crap hits the fan, is u still a fan"?
well, technically we sucked pretty bad before this most recent turmoil
Good point SD, I will bring it to his attention
Post by: Mr Bread on April 08, 2015, 12:21:22 PM
@Big_Gip_Kstate · 10m
People claim they kstate basketball fans till turmoil hits! Now Kstate sucks right? Lemme ask you"When crap hits the fan, is u still a fan"?
well, technically we sucked pretty bad before this most recent turmoil
Good point SD, I will bring it to his attention
It's weird that he thinks people should cheer for him to do something poorly.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 08, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Post by: slobber on April 08, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
1. eff those players!
2. eff this coach!
3. Meh, don't care.
2 seems the most appropriate given the track record of the coach.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2015, 12:34:51 PM
i don't blame Gip at all. BUT, what in the hell is a fan base's response supposed to be in this situation? to me there are three options:
1. eff those players!
2. eff this coach!
3. Meh, don't care.
2 seems the most appropriate given the track record of the coach.
you guys ever make a post where you kinda typed it out and clicked Post without thinking about it very much?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 08, 2015, 12:36:23 PM
i don't blame Gip at all. BUT, what in the hell is a fan base's response supposed to be in this situation? to me there are three options:
1. eff those players!
2. eff this coach!
3. Meh, don't care.
2 seems the most appropriate given the track record of the coach.
you guys ever make a post where you kinda typed it out and clicked Post without thinking about it very much?
All the time. Then I immediately click Modify and frantically try to change/correct before people see it.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on April 08, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 08, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
Also, no one is saying "well, I'm going to quit being a K-State fan now". People are just ticked off because a trainwreck is happening right before their eyes.
The train wreck was 4 months ago, we are just looking through the wreckage now.
Post by: ednksu on April 08, 2015, 12:51:26 PM
The talking point that players always throw out about not being a true fan if you say they suck is such crap. Every team has a few players that say this whenever things go south and people recognize that the team sucks.The issue is that players see this as an attack on their ability when its really a commentary about the program. Everyone knows Westicles is a good player with an intriguing skill set, and I think that is what Gip at heart is defending.
Post by: the angry young man on April 08, 2015, 12:53:26 PM
How does the mass exodus from oscar compare with what could have happened with the Spradling-led mess with Frank? I never was able to get any reliable info about that so I always assumed that it wouldn't have really happened, or if it did, it would have just been losers like Spradling who would have quit the team.
Can someone answer this, or if it's been discussed in an old thread post a link to it? Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :impatient:
Post by: Panjandrum on April 08, 2015, 12:58:09 PM
The train wreck was 4 months ago, we are just looking through the wreckage now.
Someone found and just up and walked away with a slightly used Nigel Johnson.
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 01:00:00 PM
Blair Kerkhoff @BlairKerkhoff
Odds to win 2016 hoop title, from @BovadaLV UNC 6/1, UK 8/1, Md/UVa 12/1, KU/Duke 16/1, ISU 18/1, Shox 50/1, Mizzou 100/1, KState 150/1
The MU has better odds to win than we do part is very horrifying. An MU fan I know told me yesterday that their leading rebounder and scorer is transferring out this year. Already announced without having found another school yet. Just wants out. Given that and the amazingly horrible year they just had and they are 50/1 stronger of odds than we are. :Wha:
Post by: sys on April 08, 2015, 01:03:15 PM
Nigel Johnson @TakingFlight_23 · 1h 1 hour ago
After much deliberation, I say farewell. Thank you to my KSU coaches, my teammates, KSU community, to all my fans & supporters. #EMAW
How do you deliberate being kicked off? something doesn't add up here guys... :raccoon:
technically, i think he just deliberated upon whether or not to say farewell.
Post by: sys on April 08, 2015, 01:05:49 PM
yeah but oscar is white and midwestern and meek and frank isn't any of those things.
i always hate myself when i correct these posts. but i hate even more that people post ignorant stuff and it goes uncorrected.
cuban is a nationality, latino is an ethnicity. neither are races. frank martin is of european (principally or entirely) ancestry.
Post by: DQ12 on April 08, 2015, 01:11:12 PM
i always get race and ethnicity mixed up and i'm not sure i understand the difference right nowyeah but oscar is white and midwestern and meek and frank isn't any of those things.
i always hate myself when i correct these posts. but i hate even more that people post ignorant stuff and it goes uncorrected.
cuban is a nationality, latino is an ethnicity. neither are races. frank martin is of european (principally or entirely) ancestry.
Post by: sys on April 08, 2015, 01:14:54 PM
i always get race and ethnicity mixed up and i'm not sure i understand the difference right now
white midwesterner.
Post by: Cire on April 08, 2015, 01:15:14 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 08, 2015, 01:22:06 PM
Post by: renocat on April 08, 2015, 01:25:14 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
Kinda hate to see Nigel transferring as I saw at Verbal Commit. Does that open the possibility Of Old Spice playing? We should get a European player with a big long name that causes Wyatt to spit all over Stan when he is pronouncing it.
had one
Post by: Spracne on April 08, 2015, 01:31:18 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2015, 01:31:45 PM
Kinda hate to see Nigel transferring as I saw at Verbal Commit. Does that open the possibility Of Old Spice playing? We should get a European player with a big long name that causes Wyatt to spit all over Stan when he is pronouncing it.
would love to see old spice getting minutes next season. if we make the national championship game he could our grayson allen since they're both white europeans
Post by: Mr Bread on April 08, 2015, 01:34:18 PM
yeah but oscar is white and midwestern and meek and frank isn't any of those things.
i always hate myself when i correct these posts. but i hate even more that people post ignorant stuff and it goes uncorrected.
cuban is a nationality, latino is an ethnicity. neither are races. frank martin is of european (principally or entirely) ancestry.
yes, you should definitely hate yourself for this. oscar is self-subjectively (new term) "white" the same way frank isn't. It's as much a state of mind as anything. Maybe a lifestyle.
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2015, 01:35:28 PM
old spice marcus foster (pot addict)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 08, 2015, 01:49:36 PM
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Social media continues to make it increasingly difficult to be a K-State fan. Far too much criticism & hate constantly being spewed in the wrong directions with little to no insight or basis for such behavior. It's constant and it's ridiculous and it's all happening because pointing a finger from behind a computer/phone is easy and, often times, anonymous.
Questioning in-game decisions, play calls, etc. is one thing. Belittling a coach, coaching staff, or player because you think you know the "real story" is completely another. It's sad and the whole thing has become an awful representation of the K-State fan base.
Passionate? No. This isn't passion. It's immature and idiotic because if fans had it their way, we'd have new players and new coaches every other day.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 01:51:36 PM
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 01:52:14 PM
Our favorite DJamer:QuoteSocial media continues to make it increasingly difficult to be a K-State fan. Far too much criticism & hate constantly being spewed in the wrong directions with little to no insight or basis for such behavior. It's constant and it's ridiculous and it's all happening because pointing a finger from behind a computer/phone is easy and, often times, anonymous.
Questioning in-game decisions, play calls, etc. is one thing. Belittling a coach, coaching staff, or player because you think you know the "real story" is completely another. It's sad and the whole thing has become an awful representation of the K-State fan base.
Passionate? No. This isn't passion. It's immature and idiotic because if fans had it their way, we'd have new players and new coaches every other day.
I bet it was passion when Frank was on the bench
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 08, 2015, 01:53:59 PM
:popcorn:
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Here's what it says: Nigel probably wanted more playing time - Jevon wanted to be close to home - Marcus and Tre were absolute cancers to the locker room. But yes, let's set our targets on oscar and his staff.
Post by: PIPE on April 08, 2015, 01:55:59 PM
i'm somewhat surprised by some people's reactions to this news.
most of us here had already decided that neither jevon, nor nigel, were skilled enough to play high major basketball.
i'm happy he's going somewhere else, he's getting good advice from somebody
2 responses to this:
1.will we be able to field a team next year?
2.what kind of player are we going to find, this late in the game, that is equal to or better that Nigel?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 01:56:06 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 08, 2015, 01:56:22 PM
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Other than Nigel, I don't see how you can fault the coaches for the other three.
And I know the common rebuttal - "But he recruited them! So it does fall on him!" -- Right, since every basketball coach in America nails 100% of his recruiting? Mike Krzyzewski has never missed on a player.
Post by: DQ12 on April 08, 2015, 01:56:46 PM
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
Post by: 0.42 on April 08, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
Very passionate.QuoteOther than Nigel, I don't see how you can fault the coaches for the other three.
And I know the common rebuttal - "But he recruited them! So it does fall on him!" -- Right, since every basketball coach in America nails 100% of his recruiting? Mike Krzyzewski has never missed on a player.
I'm really starting to get annoyed with the sister school simile abuse
Post by: PIPE on April 08, 2015, 01:59:05 PM
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 01:59:48 PM
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Social media is ruining college athletics
- The guy who works/worked in social media exclusively for college athletics.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2015, 02:10:12 PM
there's only like 3 races
Kentucky Derby... Preakness, and Belmont Stakes. Those are the only three that really matter, anyway.
Post by: TownieCat on April 08, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
there's only like 3 races
Kentucky Derby... Preakness, and Belmont Stakes. Those are the only three that really matter, anyway.
:D
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 08, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on April 08, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 02:44:48 PM
No way Nigel leaving was purely based on PT.
Not unless he def didn't want to play 30+ min a game next yr
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
Man, Fitz is really going to town on twitter.
I'm thoroughly convinced the Fitz has a "deal" of some sort with the Athletic Department to be the flag bearing, sunshine pumper they need to try to keep the masses from revolting.
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 02:46:30 PM
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Actually, no comparison here. Martin's players wanted to leave because he was abusive. Weber kicked two players off the team ... that's not defection. Nigel is leaving because he's an immature crybaby. What else do you have for me?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 08, 2015, 02:47:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 02:48:31 PM
I just think he tries to disagree with every opinion from this website. :dunno:Man, Fitz is really going to town on twitter.
I'm thoroughly convinced the Fitz has a "deal" of some sort with the Athletic Department to be the flag bearing, sunshine pumper they need to try to keep the masses from revolting.
Post by: wetwillie on April 08, 2015, 02:48:53 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 02:53:04 PM
I think people underestimate bruces abilities of self preservation. He is going to somehow pull off the NIT next year.I honestly think we'll be better. It's what he does. Under deliver and "over perform".
Post by: nicname on April 08, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
Man, Fitz is really going to town on twitter.
Will need gems posted, because #blocked!
Post by: Pett on April 08, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
Guys, what if Nigel was on dope?Then he would be like the rest of our team
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 02:58:39 PM
I think people underestimate bruces abilities of self preservation. He is going to somehow pull off the NIT next year.I honestly think we'll be better. It's what he does. Under deliver and "over perform".
Unless the incoming kids are amazeballs, there is no way we will be better.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 03:01:02 PM
Post by: kslim on April 08, 2015, 03:01:54 PM
He'll paste together some 17-15 record with a lighter non-con and he'll beat KU at home. Congrats, oscar, you just earned another year. :frown:i didnt realize you were on team eff oscar, glad to have you
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
He'll paste together some 17-15 record with a lighter non-con and he'll beat KU at home. Congrats, oscar, you just earned another year. :frown:
Ain't no way on God's green earth that he can cobble together a win over KU with Hurt, Bolden, Edwards, Westicles and whatever scrubs are willing to jump on this trainwreck.
:dubious:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Yeah, this year officially turned me. I don't know how it couldn't. The brucecuses was the final straw for me. Such a rough ridin' loser mentality.He'll paste together some 17-15 record with a lighter non-con and he'll beat KU at home. Congrats, oscar, you just earned another year. :frown:i didnt realize you were on team eff oscar, glad to have you
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 08, 2015, 03:04:54 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 03:05:03 PM
KU is losing a lot and not bringing in much at this moment. Crazier things have happened.He'll paste together some 17-15 record with a lighter non-con and he'll beat KU at home. Congrats, oscar, you just earned another year. :frown:
Ain't no way on God's green earth that he can cobble together a win over KU with Hurt, Bolden, Edwards, Westicles and whatever scrubs are willing to jump on this trainwreck.
:dubious:
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2015, 03:06:58 PM
Man, Fitz is really going to town on twitter.
Will need gems posted, because #blocked!
Twitter makes it super easy to toggle amongst accounts on a smartphone... so, just use a spare email address to create an extra account to follow all those who block us easily and don't tweet from it. It's fun to be able to read them.
:whistle1:
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2015, 03:09:24 PM
KU is losing a lot and not bring in much at this moment. Crazier things have happened.He'll paste together some 17-15 record with a lighter non-con and he'll beat KU at home. Congrats, oscar, you just earned another year. :frown:
Ain't no way on God's green earth that he can cobble together a win over KU with Hurt, Bolden, Edwards, Westicles and whatever scrubs are willing to jump on this trainwreck.
:dubious:
Those assholes wont bring in anybody < 4-star recruit and likely a Mickey D's or two.
Post by: Mr Bread on April 08, 2015, 03:13:54 PM
KU is losing a lot and not bring in much at this moment. Crazier things have happened.He'll paste together some 17-15 record with a lighter non-con and he'll beat KU at home. Congrats, oscar, you just earned another year. :frown:
Ain't no way on God's green earth that he can cobble together a win over KU with Hurt, Bolden, Edwards, Westicles and whatever scrubs are willing to jump on this trainwreck.
:dubious:
Those assholes wont bring in anybody < 4-star recruit and likely a Mickey D's or two.
:zap:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 03:21:03 PM
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 03:21:34 PM
Man, Fitz is really going to town on twitter.
Will need gems posted, because #blocked!
http://twitter.com/LifeofFitz/status/585889252661039104
Greg Gantz ?@Gantz9 35m35 minutes ago
@LifeofFitz I would think that the bigger concern for @kstatesports would be that apathy sets in.
Andrew Hammond ?@ahammsportsgeek 34m34 minutes ago
@LifeofFitz Yep.
Sam ?@RoyChiefal 28m28 minutes ago
@LifeofFitz AD ran success off, didn't interview on staff success that wanted the job, then hired proven failure. Forgive my lack of cheer.
Tim Fitzgerald ?@LifeofFitz 27m27 minutes ago
@RoyChiefal All valid but I bet you'll still root of the Wildcats next season.
Mike Tufano ?@RealMikeT 26m26 minutes ago
@LifeofFitz I'd rephrase that. If you're rooting against the program's success and/or taking joy in it, you're not a fan.
David ?@davidbloyd 24m24 minutes ago
@RealMikeT @LifeofFitz agreed. I've seen fans hoping BW would fail even before he coached a game. Shameful
Sam ?@RoyChiefal 24m24 minutes ago
@LifeofFitz You're right. I can't help it.
Jeff Wayman ?@PetsandPucks 23m23 minutes ago
@LifeofFitz @RoyChiefal being a fan, rooting for program success, and wanting change are not mutually exclusive. #KStateMBB
Ryan ?@catsfan20012002 21m21 minutes ago
@davidbloyd @LifeofFitz @RealMikeT The worst is that they hide behind Twitter
David ?@davidbloyd 17m17 minutes ago
@catsfan20012002 @LifeofFitz @RealMikeT agreed.
Froggy V ?@PoolFroggy 5m5 minutes ago
@RoyChiefal @LifeofFitz might want to checks records concerning proven failure. Stupid comment
Post by: Tobias on April 08, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2015, 03:23:33 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2015, 03:24:18 PM
We will have our answer in less than a year. Only one of us can be right.
Post by: TownieCat on April 08, 2015, 03:25:47 PM
Man, Fitz is really going to town on twitter.
Will need gems posted, because #blocked!
He also managed to compare oscar to Snyder.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
https://twitter.com/LifeofFitz/status/585882518454435841
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2015, 03:31:18 PM
I mean, GPC and Fitz thinks that oscar Weber is doing the right thing and the K-State men's basketball team will be better. Some of us think the team will be worse.
We will have our answer in less than a year. Only one of us can be right.
I stand by what I said earlier. I don't think they really believe the drivel they're spewing... I honestly think that they've been given marching orders on what the "company line" is from the ath dept, or their access will be cut back even further.
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2015, 03:41:19 PM
Post by: kslim on April 08, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
no they definitely do. I got some 30+ mentions today because of disagreeing with dscottI mean, GPC and Fitz thinks that oscar Weber is doing the right thing and the K-State men's basketball team will be better. Some of us think the team will be worse.
We will have our answer in less than a year. Only one of us can be right.
I stand by what I said earlier. I don't think they really believe the drivel they're spewing... I honestly think that they've been given marching orders on what the "company line" is from the ath dept, or their access will be cut back even further.
Post by: The Whale on April 08, 2015, 03:47:53 PM
A little more:
:popcorn:QuoteHere's what it says: Nigel probably wanted more playing time - Jevon wanted to be close to home - Marcus and Tre were absolute cancers to the locker room. But yes, let's set our targets on oscar and his staff.
In that post, he acknowledged that out that 3 of the other 5 guards on the roster were leaving, but assumes that Nigel is leaving for more PT.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
A little more:
:popcorn:QuoteHere's what it says: Nigel probably wanted more playing time - Jevon wanted to be close to home - Marcus and Tre were absolute cancers to the locker room. But yes, let's set our targets on oscar and his staff.
In that post, he acknowledged that out that 3 of the other 5 guards on the roster were leaving, but assumes that Nigel is leaving for more PT.
yeah. this is the type of stuff that you just can't make up.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 08, 2015, 04:44:01 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on April 08, 2015, 05:26:20 PM
Yup. My favorite.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://twitter.com/LifeofFitz/status/585882518454435841
Bill chose to quit instead of clean up the mess
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: steve dave on April 08, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
No way Nigel leaving was purely based on PT.
It's actually based zero percent on playing time
Post by: money on April 08, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
Post by: Pete on April 08, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
So why is Nigel gonzo?
There are a couple dudes on this board who have the full story, and I encourage them to share it. Or, give SD the green light to share it.
Post by: That_Guy on April 08, 2015, 08:26:03 PM
So why is Nigel gonzo?
There are a couple dudes on this board who have the full story, and I encourage them to share it. Or, give SD the green light to share it.
If not PT, it's coaching then, right?
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Post by: meow meow on April 08, 2015, 08:28:15 PM
Drug addict?
Post by: Pete on April 08, 2015, 08:30:10 PM
So why is Nigel gonzo?
There are a couple dudes on this board who have the full story, and I encourage them to share it. Or, give SD the green light to share it.
If not PT, it's coaching then, right?
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WARMER
Post by: Pete on April 08, 2015, 08:32:04 PM
Post by: TownieCat on April 08, 2015, 08:34:45 PM
not that it matters, but Nigel was in fact kicked off.Fwiw I heard that he requested to leave 2 weeks ago and was just granted his release today.
Post by: slobber on April 08, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Tobias on April 08, 2015, 08:48:45 PM
WTF is going on in Manhattan? I am completely sick of telling everybody that the cats suck.
the team is half-dobber and all dobberjr head coach
Post by: slobber on April 08, 2015, 09:00:01 PM
:lol: (I think you meant dobberette head coach) but very good explanationWTF is going on in Manhattan? I am completely sick of telling everybody that the cats suck.
the team is half-dobber and all dobberjr head coach
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 08, 2015, 09:10:37 PM
So why is Nigel gonzo?
There are a couple dudes on this board who have the full story, and I encourage them to share it. Or, give SD the green light to share it.
If not PT, it's coaching then, right?
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Postion?
Post by: The Big Train on April 08, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
It's not earth shattering, and I hate acting uppity with the hinting and not telling, but a good dude shared info and asked us not to blab it all.
sitting on info is not helping the situation, Pete.
fwiw i saw him in Hale today and he was still wearing athlete issue stuff
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 08, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
Post by: sys on April 08, 2015, 11:18:48 PM
Post by: sys on April 08, 2015, 11:20:18 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2015, 11:47:13 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 08, 2015, 11:57:23 PM
give it a few hours. it will come out. it's not super interesting and probably about what you would think if you had to guess, but still nice to know. also, marcus and tre were tested pretty much the second they got back from padre. not sure if that's been shared yet. i haven't been on much lately. i've heard that from multiple people that don't know each other and didn't hear it from the same person/people.
So Currie or oscar?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 09, 2015, 12:11:22 AM
give it a few hours. it will come out. it's not super interesting and probably about what you would think if you had to guess, but still nice to know. also, marcus and tre were tested pretty much the second they got back from padre. not sure if that's been shared yet. i haven't been on much lately. i've heard that from multiple people that don't know each other and didn't hear it from the same person/people.
So Currie or oscar?
my hunch would be a siamese twin type thing, but i'd probably have to be one of their wives to know for sure. or them. or their pastor. or maybe have one of their houses bugged.
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on April 09, 2015, 12:16:58 AM
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2015, 07:44:12 AM
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2015, 07:46:56 AM
I would lean a little towards currie. I mean, what coach is in a hurry to run their best player? Also, how many football players do you think bill tested immediately? I am guessing zero. Either Randolph is a snitch, or currie made an I'm - your - boss level suggestion about marcus.give it a few hours. it will come out. it's not super interesting and probably about what you would think if you had to guess, but still nice to know. also, marcus and tre were tested pretty much the second they got back from padre. not sure if that's been shared yet. i haven't been on much lately. i've heard that from multiple people that don't know each other and didn't hear it from the same person/people.
So Currie or oscar?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 09, 2015, 08:14:42 AM
You know how there are always rumors that the backup QB is great or the freshman DB is tearing it up "on the scout team" and we all dream about those players somehow making it onto the field early and destroying Big 12 competition as our secret weapons? Well...that's KSU '15-'16 hoops, guys (except for the part about destroying Big 12 competition - that is TBD). It's going to be awesome..
Yeah, but we kicked our backups off the team, too.
Post by: wabash909 on April 09, 2015, 08:17:54 AM
WTF is going on in Manhattan? I am completely sick of telling everybody that the cats suck.
Basically, oscar recruited an entire team, with the exception of Brian Rholeder, that didn't want to be here. Unfortunately for oscar, all of our players didn't realize they didn't want to be here until they started playing for oscar. Some of them got addicted to drugs. Others got really bad attitudes. Some of them got a combo of both. Now oscar needs to get rid of them and get all new players. But, this time it will be different once we get all new players. Hope this helps.
Post by: PIPE on April 09, 2015, 09:34:13 AM
WTF is going on in Manhattan? I am completely sick of telling everybody that the cats suck.
Basically, oscar recruited an entire team, with the exception of Brian Rholeder, that didn't want to be here. Unfortunately for oscar, all of our players didn't realize they didn't want to be here until they started playing for oscar. Some of them got addicted to drugs. Others got really bad attitudes. Some of them got a combo of both. Now oscar needs to get rid of them and get all new players. But, this time it will be different once we get all new players. Hope this helps.
Excellent summary :thumbsup:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
WTF is going on in Manhattan? I am completely sick of telling everybody that the cats suck.
Basically, oscar recruited an entire team, with the exception of Brian Rholeder, that didn't want to be here. Unfortunately for oscar, all of our players didn't realize they didn't want to be here until they started playing for oscar. Some of them got addicted to drugs. Others got really bad attitudes. Some of them got a combo of both. Now oscar needs to get rid of them and get all new players. But, this time it will be different once we get all new players. Hope this helps.
handlers also
Post by: wabash909 on April 09, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
#CleanSlate
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 09, 2015, 10:49:56 AM
Lesson learned. Once oscar gets rid of all the players with bad handlers he needs to find new players with good handlers next time.
#CleanSlate
So... does a "good handler" or "bad handler" provide our (former) star hooper with a shiny new silver Range Rover with tinted out windows?
Honest question. I'm really not sure on the distinction of what's good/bad in college hoops handling.
Post by: the angry young man on April 09, 2015, 11:08:39 AM
How does the mass exodus from oscar compare with what could have happened with the Spradling-led mess with Frank? I never was able to get any reliable info about that so I always assumed that it wouldn't have really happened, or if it did, it would have just been losers like Spradling who would have quit the team.
Can someone answer this, or if it's been discussed in an old thread post a link to it? Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :impatient:
Is there a reason why this question has been ignored? Do you guys not want to answer it? Or do non-regulars just get ignored around here? :dunno:
Post by: 'taterblast on April 09, 2015, 11:09:48 AM
How does the mass exodus from oscar compare with what could have happened with the Spradling-led mess with Frank? I never was able to get any reliable info about that so I always assumed that it wouldn't have really happened, or if it did, it would have just been losers like Spradling who would have quit the team.
Can someone answer this, or if it's been discussed in an old thread post a link to it? Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :impatient:
Is there a reason why this question has been ignored? Do you guys not want to answer it? Or do non-regulars just get ignored around here? :dunno:
no one knows the answers to your questions because frank left.
Post by: Spracne on April 09, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
How does the mass exodus from oscar compare with what could have happened with the Spradling-led mess with Frank? I never was able to get any reliable info about that so I always assumed that it wouldn't have really happened, or if it did, it would have just been losers like Spradling who would have quit the team.
Can someone answer this, or if it's been discussed in an old thread post a link to it? Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :impatient:
Is there a reason why this question has been ignored? Do you guys not want to answer it? Or do non-regulars just get ignored around here? :dunno:
I once believed in causes too, had my pointless point of view. Life went on no matter who was wrong or right...
Post by: Skipper44 on April 09, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
really, the regulars on this board have gone over this non stop since the day Weber was hired, this thread might be as good a thread as any to catch up but great Frank vs oscar talk can pop up anywhere and at anytime on this blog
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26495.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26495.0)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 09, 2015, 12:18:00 PM
We're deducing that it's Malek, but who knows?
Post by: 8manpick on April 09, 2015, 12:26:03 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 09, 2015, 12:34:47 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
How does the mass exodus from oscar compare with what could have happened with the Spradling-led mess with Frank? I never was able to get any reliable info about that so I always assumed that it wouldn't have really happened, or if it did, it would have just been losers like Spradling who would have quit the team.
Can someone answer this, or if it's been discussed in an old thread post a link to it? Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :impatient:
Is there a reason why this question has been ignored? Do you guys not want to answer it? Or do non-regulars just get ignored around here? :dunno:
this is three (3) of your seven (7) total posts. which is amazing.
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2015, 12:49:13 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 09, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
Someone on BOTC is saying that the defections aren't over.
Why would they be?
Post by: Cire on April 09, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 09, 2015, 12:51:45 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2015, 12:53:50 PM
Is there any scenario in which John Currie steps in and makes a move this off-season? Like, will he just sit back and watch the entire roster disolve? We've already lost seven players from the beginning of last season. DJamer probably won't play basketball again, so that's most likely eight. If Malek or Wes transfer, then that's nine. Heard rumblings that Bolden won't be good to go at the start of next season, and probably would have already been oscar'd had oscar not already lost over half his roster. This is legitimately (numbers wise, not the murder-y cheat-y coverup-y aspects) starting to resemble 2003 Baylor.
What do you think the new coach would want to walk into? A roster of unknowns or a next year where he review 8-10 scholarship players and know what he has moving forward?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 09, 2015, 12:54:41 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2015, 12:55:52 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
Shane was going to get Franked and Angel was going to go home.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
How many walk-ons will see significant minutes next year?
Zero, you can always find a sub par juco player.
Post by: Panjandrum on April 09, 2015, 12:56:47 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
I thought it was common knowledge that Frank and MoKan had burned a bridge. Maybe I'm dreaming that.
Post by: kslim on April 09, 2015, 12:56:57 PM
Is this legitimately going to be the worst K-State team of all time? Who do they have to be worse than to achieve that?if oscar beats tom asbury ill crap myself
1999–2000 Kansas State 9–19 2–14 12th
Post by: kso_FAN on April 09, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Is this legitimately going to be the worst K-State team of all time? Who do they have to be worse than to achieve that?
Asbury's Cortez Groves led Cats were the worst team I've seen. I doubt we'll be that bad.
Post by: Panjandrum on April 09, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
I mean, I think we're honestly just a shade above that next year. That may be the angst talking, but really, this looks like it's going to be a disaster.
Post by: dal9 on April 09, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25141890/washington-pg-nigel-williams-goss-will-transfer-out-of-program
Post by: #LIFE on April 09, 2015, 01:16:24 PM
Another Nigel gone!
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25141890/washington-pg-nigel-williams-goss-will-transfer-out-of-program
Would take
Post by: #LIFE on April 09, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
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Nigel leaving presented another opportunity for the anti-Weber posters to pounce. There doesn't have to be reasoning or perspective present. I predicted that these posts would start immediately, and sure enough, it took Joey less than 5 minutes to weigh in with his bullshit, drawing parallels to this situation and the mass defections that would have happened had Martin stayed. Even after pointing out that the two situations were not remotely similar, he still ranted on about it. This is what you get when ego and "proving that you are right" poisons your thinking and opens the mind to irrational thinking.
Look at how Purplepain keeps going on about how he was "right" about Jevon Thomas. The fact is, he wasn't right about anything. Jevon is still a young player who is learning how to play at this level. Saying that a sophomore point guard, who had limited practice with the team as a freshman has been a "bust" is ridiculous. Jevon has the speed and athleticism to succeed in basketball on a high level. He will never be a great scorer, but he is capable of contributing in so many other ways, and I expect him to do so somewhere else. I'll be watching his progress with interest.
There are so many posters on this forum that like to blather on about this or that but never really contribute anything of substance to this board. They are all about looking for scapegoats, and their jaundice view of KSU basketball and coach Weber is tiresome.
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Gor, I'm a little surprised that you don't know what these three, and a few others want.
Remember, these three took a beating during Weber's first year, having to eat a lot of crow because Weber was immediately successful with an unfamiliar team. These are three that "hated" the hire. Now, they feel a false sense of redemption. They have no desire to give Weber a chance to rebound, because they would then be back to square one again if Weber succeeds. They would have to eat a second helping of crow. The most satisfying thing to them would be to have Weber fired immediately so that they can say "they were right". That's what this is about. So here are their demands -
Fire Weber now.
Hire Underwood - a K-State guy, and a hot commodity among coaches. We need to strike now before another top5 conference snatches him up. He would care more, understand the culture and take us to heights that Weber, and even Martin could not achieve.
That would enable us to fill the Bram every game, because Manhattan would respond to the hire of Underwood, and the championship seasons he would bring. That would make the Engineer happy.
Here's what would really happen under that scenario -
Underwood would be the only coach who would take the job given that KSU just fired a coach with a winning record and the school's first conference championship in 31 years.
Underwood would only be able to recruit 2-3 star players, because on a national level, no high school player knows who he is. He has very little cache after coaching a small school from San Antonio. We would be near the bottom, if not the very bottom of the league's recruiting rankings.
Claws would transfer.
Underwood, despite his ties to K-State, and his pinch post offense, would not put the Wildcats in the upper division of the conference.
Underwood would be fired after three years, just like Weber, and the coaching carousel would continue.
The three amigos would blame it all on Currie because he didn't hire Underwood initially and give him six years to build his program.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2015, 01:37:58 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
I thought it was common knowledge that Frank and MoKan had burned a bridge. Maybe I'm dreaming that.
Yep, Frank unloaded on Suther.
Post by: KsJoey on April 09, 2015, 01:48:21 PM
Me: oscar's crap does indeed smell like crap
PDave: I'm sure it smells great. You're just saying it stinks because you wish Frank was still here.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 09, 2015, 01:52:12 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 09, 2015, 02:06:56 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
I thought it was common knowledge that Frank and MoKan had burned a bridge. Maybe I'm dreaming that.
Yep, Frank unloaded on Suther.
hmmm, that's not what caused the rift b/w mokan and frank.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2015, 02:07:54 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
I thought it was common knowledge that Frank and MoKan had burned a bridge. Maybe I'm dreaming that.
Yep, Frank unloaded on Suther.
hmmm, that's not what caused the rift b/w mokan and frank.
What is the root?
Post by: yoman on April 09, 2015, 02:14:17 PM
The lengths some people will go to support Weber, no matter what, is effin incredible. What will be next?
Me: oscar's crap does indeed smell like crap
PDave: I'm sure it smells great. You're just saying it stinks because you wish Frank was still here.
Why do you subject yourself to the tucks at the rate you do?
Post by: kslim on April 09, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
The lengths some people will go to support Weber, no matter what, is effin incredible. What will be next?you sir have some reading to do. its goEMAW.com
Me: oscar's crap does indeed smell like crap
PDave: I'm sure it smells great. You're just saying it stinks because you wish Frank was still here.
Post by: the angry young man on April 09, 2015, 02:40:13 PM
I once believed in causes too, had my pointless point of view. Life went on no matter who was wrong or right...
Nice work. And thanks to everyone else who gave answers, even though they weren't as entertaining as Spracne's.
Post by: AggievilleVeteran on April 09, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons being made between what's going on with oscar Weber right now and the rumors surrounding Frank Martin's departure, which is fair to some degree, but I feel it needs to be pointed out that the rumors of players threatening to leave under Martin were never anything more than that -- just rumors.
In the last few weeks oscar Weber has either lost or removed four active players in the same year that he's graduated two seniors (let's hope it doesn't get any worse), which means that unless Weber is somehow going to steal recruits that are already signed to other programs or convince players who are making their final choices between two or three schools at this point to all of a sudden consider coming to Manhattan, we're screwed for next season (and probably the season after).
A lot of us have waited decades to see the Wildcats turn their program around, and it's incredibly frustrating to see a coach come in like this after years of progress and wipe it all away in an instant, which is exactly what every Illinois fan said he'd do when he came here. The rumors around Martin's departure happened during a year that he took our team to the NCAA tournament. Weber is cutting the few solid players that he has during a year where he wasn't even able to get them to the NIT.
Weber might surprise us all and pull out enough wins to get an NCAA bid next year, or maybe even another Big 12 title -- I'd love for nothing more than that to happen. But as someone who learned his lesson by supporting Ron Prince for a lot longer than I ever should have, I'd ask those of you still defending Weber what it's going to take before your allegiance switches from what's best for him back to what's best for the men's basketball program?
Post by: 'taterblast on April 09, 2015, 02:57:35 PM
Post by: KsJoey on April 09, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
The lengths some people will go to support Weber, no matter what, is effin incredible. What will be next?
Me: oscar's crap does indeed smell like crap
PDave: I'm sure it smells great. You're just saying it stinks because you wish Frank was still here.
Why do you subject yourself to the tucks at the rate you do?
Just fighting the fight...can't stand tucks with blinders on, putting Weber on a pedestal after a 15-17 season, without doing my best Chuck Norris roundhouse impersonation against that pedestal. I don't hate Weber, but I do hate the crap he's been putting out.
Post by: pissclams on April 09, 2015, 02:58:53 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
I thought it was common knowledge that Frank and MoKan had burned a bridge. Maybe I'm dreaming that.
Yep, Frank unloaded on Suther.
hmmm, that's not what caused the rift b/w mokan and frank.
What is the root?
frank recruiting over will, suther found out/got pissed, frank said shut up dork
Post by: yoman on April 09, 2015, 03:43:52 PM
The lengths some people will go to support Weber, no matter what, is effin incredible. What will be next?
Me: oscar's crap does indeed smell like crap
PDave: I'm sure it smells great. You're just saying it stinks because you wish Frank was still here.
Why do you subject yourself to the tucks at the rate you do?
Just fighting the fight...can't stand tucks with blinders on, putting Weber on a pedestal after a 15-17 season, without doing my best Chuck Norris roundhouse impersonation against that pedestal. I don't hate Weber, but I do hate the crap he's been putting out.
I understand that aspect, and do some myself under a previous screen name. But crap, the rate you post over there would drive the sane mad.in regards to hating oscar, no one really hates oscar, they hate losing. If we were maintaining program success with tournament wins under him, his awkward points would just be funny. But we aren't winning. We are rough ridin' horrible, and oscar is blaming anyone he can find outside of himself. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he (arguably rightly) blames Currie for Marcus and Tre being kicked off next year.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
also, the spradling led exodus was just the spradlings
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2015, 04:09:21 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on April 09, 2015, 04:42:53 PM
Tuck Nation aka The Purple Mafia is certifiably off the deep end at this juncture.
#tucknation
A lot of Folgers is being drank and a lot of BVD's are getting stretched pretty good underneath those polo shirts they bought at Bass Pro Shop.
Post by: slobber on April 09, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
FYI, I get ignored a lot. It makes me tougher/better.How does the mass exodus from oscar compare with what could have happened with the Spradling-led mess with Frank? I never was able to get any reliable info about that so I always assumed that it wouldn't have really happened, or if it did, it would have just been losers like Spradling who would have quit the team.
Can someone answer this, or if it's been discussed in an old thread post a link to it? Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :impatient:
Is there a reason why this question has been ignored? Do you guys not want to answer it? Or do non-regulars just get ignored around here? :dunno:
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: CNS on April 09, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
Post by: puniraptor on April 09, 2015, 05:03:23 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons being made between what's going on with oscar Weber right now and the rumors surrounding Frank Martin's departure, which is fair to some degree, but I feel it needs to be pointed out that the rumors of players threatening to leave under Martin were never anything more than that -- just rumors.
In the last few weeks oscar Weber has either lost or removed four active players in the same year that he's graduated two seniors (let's hope it doesn't get any worse), which means that unless Weber is somehow going to steal recruits that are already signed to other programs or convince players who are making their final choices between two or three schools at this point to all of a sudden consider coming to Manhattan, we're screwed for next season (and probably the season after).
A lot of us have waited decades to see the Wildcats turn their program around, and it's incredibly frustrating to see a coach come in like this after years of progress and wipe it all away in an instant, which is exactly what every Illinois fan said he'd do when he came here. The rumors around Martin's departure happened during a year that he took our team to the NCAA tournament. Weber is cutting the few solid players that he has during a year where he wasn't even able to get them to the NIT.
Weber might surprise us all and pull out enough wins to get an NCAA bid next year, or maybe even another Big 12 title -- I'd love for nothing more than that to happen. But as someone who learned his lesson by supporting Ron Prince for a lot longer than I ever should have, I'd ask those of you still defending Weber what it's going to take before your allegiance switches from what's best for him back to what's best for the men's basketball program?
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 09, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 09, 2015, 11:14:36 PM
Spradling and Nino were gone if Frank came back and Willie Cauly was not going to come and play for Frank and neither was Ojele
Angel was going to go home.
You have a tendency of passing your wild ass speculation, soaked in bias, off as fact.
Post by: bones129 on April 10, 2015, 12:54:19 AM
Someone on BOTC is saying that the defections aren't over. I honestly can't say if it's real or not because he hasn't passed along real info before.
We're deducing that it's Malek, but who knows?
I'd be surprised if the defections aren't over. #BruceDeservesDefections
Post by: bones129 on April 10, 2015, 12:57:13 AM
Is there any scenario in which John Currie steps in and makes a move this off-season? Like, will he just sit back and watch the entire roster disolve? We've already lost seven players from the beginning of last season. DJamer probably won't play basketball again, so that's most likely eight. If Malek or Wes transfer, then that's nine. Heard rumblings that Bolden won't be good to go at the start of next season, and probably would have already been oscar'd had oscar not already lost over half his roster. This is legitimately (numbers wise, not the murder-y cheat-y coverup-y aspects) starting to resemble 2003 Baylor.
No. Currie won't make a move unless oscar is convicted of a major crime. And I don't think oscar will commit such a crime.
Post by: wabash909 on April 10, 2015, 06:54:34 AM
Tuck Nation aka The Purple Mafia is certifiably off the deep end at this juncture.
#tucknation
They're in full on year five Jim Wooldridge irrational defense mode.
Funny how history repeats itself.
Post by: Trim on April 10, 2015, 07:33:55 AM
Shane was going to get Franked and Angel was going to go home.
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2015, 10:39:09 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 10, 2015, 10:40:19 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 10, 2015, 10:46:28 AM
Really? On Twitter he seems to be taking subtle jabs at Weber.
Yeah, its as critical as I've even seen D Scott at a coach and he started in toward the middle of the season. Granted, he's not calling for him to be fired immediately, but I wouldn't say he's been anything close to "never blame the coaches". At least not on twitter.
Post by: sys on April 10, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
it's all just so great though because you had the dumb part of our fanbase arguing that frank leaving was good because all the players were going to leave and we needed to keep them and mutiny and all that stuff, but now they've flipped and the players leaving is a good thing because we need guys that want to be here, etc. just so beautiful to watch.
i can't describe how much fun this is. especially on the scout board.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 14, 2015, 05:46:40 PM
Post by: Winters on April 14, 2015, 05:53:49 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 14, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Rutgers loves themselves some KSU cat transfers.
Who had the better KSU Cats/Rutgers Knights career? Nigel or Wally?
Post by: Skipper44 on April 14, 2015, 06:53:12 PM
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 14, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Is eddie jordan the crazy guy that threw basketballs at wally or is that guy gone.
What is Mike Rice JR.
Post by: 'taterblast on April 21, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
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Post by: #LIFE on April 21, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
I predict... 10 and 4 his jr. year and 14 and 5 as a senior. Also he shoots better at Rutgers
It would be hard for him to be any fuckin' worse
Post by: CNS on April 21, 2015, 03:01:42 PM
Post by: #LIFE on April 21, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 21, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: BrokenSky1113 on April 21, 2015, 03:13:12 PM
Say what you want about Nigel, but he beat KU for us this year. I'm really going to miss him. :frown:
I agree. What I enjoyed about him most was his defensive effort. I thought his layup-steal-layup-steal-layup combo against Purdue was one of the moments of this year.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 21, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
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Post by: schreds21 on March 08, 2017, 10:22:35 PM
Had 21 for Rutgers tonight in a win over Ohio State. Their first ever big 10 win and the first time they won back to back big 10 games.How do you have your first ever big 10 win and back to back big 10 wins in the same game?
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 08, 2017, 10:27:36 PM
Had 21 for Rutgers tonight in a win over Ohio State. Their first ever big 10 win and the first time they won back to back big 10 games.How do you have your first ever big 10 win and back to back big 10 wins in the same game?
I'm assuming he meant 1st Big 10 Tourney win.
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was it Jevon the one that everyone was super high on but I thought sucked? Or was it Nigel.Jevon, Left Seton Hall this year.
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