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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: renocat on March 08, 2015, 04:46:17 PM
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With the Selma anniversary in my opinion things seem more polarized. More hate.
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I'd say they are better than 1960
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Better
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Kanye has not said Obama hates black people so we are likely much better off.
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Not that Oklahoma is a bastion for tolerance but it appears racial tension is still high at OU under the current regime
http://youtu.be/dG-wq6SJqjU
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They'd be better if republicans weren't so racist all the time
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I'd say the worst since the civil rights movement.
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I'd say the worst since the civil rights movement.
Huge surprise here.
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Since the 60's things are obviously better, since 2009, worse.
I'd say the worst since the civil rights movement.
You'd certainly know. Tell your people we don't want a turf war, we'd lose. We still only make up 14% of the population I'm not sure what you're scared of.
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on the internet and tv news and stuff worse, but from my IRL experiences, its a little better all the time.
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on the internet and tv news and stuff worse, but from my IRL experiences, its a little better all the time.
yeah. i think racial injustices get brought to light much more often right now, which may make it seem "worse". this of course makes the ksuw types uncomfortable because they want these things hidden and to go on their merry way
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Example: on the internet, people freak about about stupid crap like a storm trooper or Annie being black. IRL lil' CF3 told me after he saw the new Annie "Dad now I've seen 2 Annies. One with brown hair, one with red hair." Each generation progresses a little further than their parents in terms of how race is viewed. IRL I encounter less division by race than I did 10 years ago.
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the new annie didn't have red hair? wtf
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on the internet and tv news and stuff worse, but from my IRL experiences, its a little better all the time.
yeah. i think racial injustices get brought to light much more often right now, which may make it seem "worse". this of course makes the ksuw types uncomfortable because they want these things hidden and to go on their merry way
No, it's worse because it's worse, you'll want to trust me on this one. There are people who truly think that electing Obama is the start of something bigger. They think black people won't get convicted of crimes. Racists that weren't previously scared of black people now are and scared people do desperate crap. Electing Obama makes the work of white supremest organizations easier because the message that they have been preaching since segregation ended, "we're losing our country to them," seems like it's much more real and immediate.
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Only the middle aged crowd thinks it's worse.
Most of us get along fine and have a better understanding of backgrounds and life experiences.
Anybody who thinks it's worse already had a problem to begin with.
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on the internet and tv news and stuff worse, but from my IRL experiences, its a little better all the time.
yeah. i think racial injustices get brought to light much more often right now, which may make it seem "worse". this of course makes the ksuw types uncomfortable because they want these things hidden and to go on their merry way
No, it's worse because it's worse, you'll want to trust me on this one. There are people who truly think that electing Obama is the start of something bigger. They think black people won't get convicted of crimes. Racists that weren't previously scared of black people now are and scared people do desperate crap. Electing Obama makes the work of white supremest organizations easier because the message that they have been preaching since segregation ended, "we're losing our country to them," seems like it's much more real and immediate.
Well, I'll agree with you that things are worse since Obama was elected, and at least part of that is because his election has riled up the racists. But I also think Obama and Eric Holder haven't helped matters with some of their racially charged comments and actions.
For example, Obama always feels the need to publicly express how things like the Zimmerman and Brown shootings are about race. "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon..." Really? That's great. Would your son attack some bad person cop-wannabee when asked "what are you doing here"? Probably not. Would your son rob a convenience store and attack a cop? Probably not - so stop making it about race.
Another example: when there are reports of break-ins in a neighborhood and neighbors call the police to report seeing a suspicious individual peering into a house and trying to force their way into the front door, and the police respond and demand that the suspect show some ID, and the suspect is outraged and gets into a verbal altercation with the police because he's the owner of the house, and the police arrest the man for refusing to show ID, don't go in front of a national audience and petulanty intone that "the Cambridge police acted stupidly." The Cambridge police did their job, jackass - it's not always about race.
Don't get me started on Eric Holder - he has repeatedly claimed that political opposition to Obama's policies is at least partly due to race.
All of these actions cause a great deal of racial resentment.
Then consider that President Obama is the most polarizing president in history, even moreso than GWB. Part of that polarization is between whites and blacks. Over 6 years in office, Obama's approval numbers have sagged dramatically across every demographic - except one. Guess which group remains steadfast in their support (despite, ironically, being disproportionately harmed by the stagnant economy and his immigration actions)? That's right. The disparity is so bad that SNL spoofed it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VqgTdUFtq8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VqgTdUFtq8) This also leads to resentment.
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Hard to speak on this anywhere outside my own bubble, but it seems to me like informal segregation is as prevalent now as it was twenty yrs ago. :dunno:
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Just another example of in today's papers of how Holder and Obama gin up racial tension. NYT: Threats to Voting Rights Remain, Selma Gathering Is Told (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/us/selma-commemoration-edmund-pettus-bridge-crossing.html?_r=0)
Yes, requiring an ID to vote is a deliberate effort to disenfranchise black voters... You'd expect that kind of claim from the lunatic left - not from our chief law enforcement officers who are supposed to care about everyone being disenfranchised by illegal ballot stuffing.
So are race relations worse? Yeah, they are. A lot of reasons why.
1. The economy is stagnant and black people and other minorities are worse off now than they have been in a long, long time.
2. Police are being militarized like Seal Team Six with all the surplus military gear our Big Brother Government wants to provide, inflaming situations like Ferguson.
3. Our President and AG are constantly running around blaming things on racism, then accusing us of lacking the courage to have "an honest dialogue about race," and the libtards constantly attribute political opposition to Obama as racism.
4. Oh, and there's at least some genuine racists who don't like having a black president and AG.
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I think those four things all have merit to an extent, but #4 makes up a very large part of it all in that many ppl are still very very racist, they just have developed a certain filter in public.
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Can you guys even imagine the white midwestern butthurt that is coming our way in 20 years or so when they are the minority and brown people are running the government? Civil war?
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I think those four things all have merit to an extent, but #4 makes up a very large part of it all in that many ppl are still very very racist, they just have developed a certain filter in public.
Do you have any evidence to support that? I think a number of things refute your claim. For one, the right is just as opposed to white liberals such as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, etc. as they are opposed to Obama. It's about policies - not skin color. Moreover, the "Tea Party" - often pointed to by libtards as Exhibit A of racist opposition to Obama - has enthusiastically supported a number of black conservatives (Ben Carson, Allen West, Mia Love, Tim Scott, Condi Rice, etc.).
So no, I don't think racism is nearly as big a factor as the other things I've pointed to. I would also argue that for every person blindly opposing Obama/Holder due to race, there are just as many if not more people blinding supporting them for the same reason. The steadfast approval rating among black people, despite sagging approval among all other demographics, supports this.
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I think those four things all have merit to an extent, but #4 makes up a very large part of it all in that many ppl are still very very racist, they just have developed a certain filter in public.
1,2, and 3 are total bullshit. K-S-U-W is trying to make himself seem tolerant but his views on these things mirror the racist wack jobs he decries in #4.
1. The economy isn't stagnant and minorities are not worse off, this is a blatant lie. More people are on food stamps and most people on food stamps are blacks and browns, right KSUW?
2. So cops killing people as if we're in a civil war is the fault of the negro running the country but not the fault of the people pulling the trigger? No doubt cops in tanks make matters worse but it is not why people distrust cops, its ridiculous to take that isolated incident and attribute that to eroding race relations. There have been no tanks in NYC, Cleveland, and Madison, how's the relationships between the PDs and the citizens in those places right now?
3. The biggest load of crap there is and frankly it's an embarrassment that you, CNS, said it has some merit. Whenever Holder and Obama talk about these issues they are discussing them from the perspective of being black men. Instead of taking what they are saying on merit or using them to have a greater understanding of what the hell they are talking about people like KSUW freak out about reverse-racism. Yes, when those guys talk about an issue from their perspective and people shout them down because they shouldn't talk about those things from a perspective of race is in fact, racist.
4. I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that KSUW has a much more narrow definition of the people in his #4 than I do.
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I enjoyed reading this, and I think everyone who has a genuine interest in race relations in America and can act like a grown up should read it, too:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
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Wow MIR. Maybe dial it back a few notches. Let's go point by point...
1,2, and 3 are total bullshit. K-S-U-W is trying to make himself seem tolerant but his views on these things mirror the racist wack jobs he decries in #4.
1. The economy isn't stagnant and minorities are not worse off, this is a blatant lie. More people are on food stamps and most people on food stamps are blacks and browns, right KSUW?
NAACP President Ben Jealous, and the Census Bureau, beg to differ.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/28/naacp-president-black-people-worse-under-obama/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/28/naacp-president-black-people-worse-under-obama/)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/378087/black-americans-are-worse-under-obama-deroy-murdock (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/378087/black-americans-are-worse-under-obama-deroy-murdock)
2. So cops killing people as if we're in a civil war is the fault of the negro running the country but not the fault of the people pulling the trigger? No doubt cops in tanks make matters worse but it is not why people distrust cops, its ridiculous to take that isolated incident and attribute that to eroding race relations. There have been no tanks in NYC, Cleveland, and Madison, how's the relationships between the PDs and the citizens in those places right now?
See bold - that was the only point I was trying to make there. But I think it is fair to say that the cops are getting more trigger-happy as conditions continue to deteriorate in rundown, crime-addled communities.
3. The biggest load of crap there is and frankly it's an embarrassment that you, CNS, said it has some merit. Whenever Holder and Obama talk about these issues they are discussing them from the perspective of being black men. Instead of taking what they are saying on merit or using them to have a greater understanding of what the hell they are talking about people like KSUW freak out about reverse-racism. Yes, when those guys talk about an issue from their perspective and people shout them down because they shouldn't talk about those things from a perspective of race is in fact, racist.
Ok. That's your opinion, but I don't think you're looking at this very rationally.
4. I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that KSUW has a much more narrow definition of the people in his #4 than I do.
That's probably true, but only because you've indicated in your third point above that you are much more willing to attribute opposition to Obama/Holder to racism. Ironically, your willingness to freak out and paint people who disagree with you as racist sort of affirms some of what I've been saying. You're a perfect example of how race relations have deteriorated. I'm trying to have that "honest dialogue about race" Obama/Holder are always asking for. You're just screaming "raaaacist."
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1. I admittedly haven't read anything on this, but remember hearing an NPR podcast not too long ago that made mention of something to the effect of the middle and lower classes losing ground and minorities in those groups in those two classes especially losing ground. It was a little while ago, I have no clue which podcast it was, but I don't listen to the same ones as KSUW prob does.
2. I absolutely think police getting military equipt is part of the problem. Police need to be as relatable and personable as possible to those they serve. An armored humvee and swat gear not only doesn't accomplish that very well, but it also attracts ppl who want to play guns and war more than it attracts ppl that want to serve and protect, imo.
3. This is the biggest stretch in that I don't believe that the govt is causing racism. However there has seemed to be a lot of calls for a discussion on racism followed by nothing. Honesty, as a white Midwestern who doesn't feel racist, I am not even sure what that means. It's a huge issue and a national problem. A lot of ppl are open to discussion, but it's not happening and seems like no one even knows how to do this, only keeps saying it needs to take place.
4. KSUW, I wasn't speaking specifically to the right. I was speaking to the fact that my daily experience is that many ppl are still racist, but that it is below the surface and not on their sleeve.
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1. I admittedly haven't read anything on this, but remember hearing an NPR podcast not too long ago that made mention of something to the effect of the middle and lower classes losing ground
Yeah, if anything this is a class issue, not a race issue. But the economy is absolutely in recovery anyone who says otherwise is pushing an agenda.
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/04/cbs-news-poll-race-relations/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/04/cbs-news-poll-race-relations/)
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
The white president raised by his white mother and her white parents hate white people. Sizzling #hottake
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
The white president raised by his white mother and her white parents hate white people. Sizzling #hottake
:sdeek: So Obama isn't even genuinely black.
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1. I admittedly haven't read anything on this, but remember hearing an NPR podcast not too long ago that made mention of something to the effect of the middle and lower classes losing ground
Yeah, if anything this is a class issue, not a race issue. But the economy is absolutely in recovery anyone who says otherwise is pushing an agenda.
I think a lot of racial issues are symptoms of class economic issues. The money in America did group housing for black people together, made sure black people were poor through public and private policies, then the money moved to the suburbs when poor people problems spilled into their neck of the woods in cities. Issues with opportunities available to the poor are more pressing than police violence. Police violence and riots are just more visible and easy to give hot takes on.
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I think white people are just getting smarter and realizing race relations aren't as good as they tried to tell themselves they were.
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I think white people are just getting smarter and realizing race relations aren't as good as they tried to tell themselves they were.
disagree. i think we are seeing minority groups in America feel empowered and are working towards change that conservatives are not happy about. you see this with the shift in the electorate and demographics. you also see this as the SES situation hasn't improved as greatly with the recovery at the same rates as white America.
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eh ok
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I think white people are just getting smarter and realizing race relations aren't as good as they tried to tell themselves they were.
disagree. i think we are seeing minority groups in America feel empowered and are working towards change that conservatives are not happy about. you see this with the shift in the electorate and demographics. you also see this as the SES situation hasn't improved as greatly with the recovery at the same rates as white America.
Is this a joke, or are you just that rough ridin' crazy?
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I think white people are just getting smarter and realizing race relations aren't as good as they tried to tell themselves they were.
disagree. i think we are seeing minority groups in America feel empowered and are working towards change that conservatives are not happy about. you see this with the shift in the electorate and demographics. you also see this as the SES situation hasn't improved as greatly with the recovery at the same rates as white America.
Is this a joke, or are you just that rough ridin' crazy?
Yeah, I mean, conservatives would hate to see minorities succeed rather than keep supporting them with taxes? Sheesh edna. And you can blame our president for the horrible recovery numbers associated with minorities.
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
The white president raised by his white mother and her white parents hate white people. Sizzling #hottake
:sdeek: So Obama isn't even genuinely black.
Oddly enough it's entirely possible for him to be both. There is no doubt that he was raised by his white mother and her white parents. Makes it pretty tough to square this with the "he and Holder hate white people" talking point that you, fsd, and other psychos of your ilk babble about.
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
The white president raised by his white mother and her white parents hate white people. Sizzling #hottake
:sdeek: So Obama isn't even genuinely black.
Oddly enough it's entirely possible for him to be both. There is no doubt that he was raised by his white mother and her white parents. Makes it pretty tough to square this with the "he and Holder hate white people" talking point that you, fsd, and other psychos of your ilk babble about.
A person can be racist without hating anybody. Its simply an opinion, and always wrong.
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are there some examples of obama's racisim?
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
The white president raised by his white mother and her white parents hate white people. Sizzling #hottake
:sdeek: So Obama isn't even genuinely black.
Oddly enough it's entirely possible for him to be both. There is no doubt that he was raised by his white mother and her white parents. Makes it pretty tough to square this with the "he and Holder hate white people" talking point that you, fsd, and other psychos of your ilk babble about.
A person can be racist without hating anybody. Its simply an opinion, and always wrong.
LOL if for serious
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They are getting much worse. Because the president is racist, he makes sure that things like Ferguson make national news. We don't ever hear about white people having problems with the police. It should be a citizen issue, but instead it's a race issue.
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They are getting much worse. Because the president is racist, he makes sure that things like Ferguson make national news. We don't ever hear about white people having problems with the police. It should be a citizen issue, but instead it's a race issue.
I Remember when Obama ordered cnn to cover the large scale civil unrest in a major American city, that was so mumped
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the president is a racist, which compounds thins.
The white president raised by his white mother and her white parents hate white people. Sizzling #hottake
:sdeek: So Obama isn't even genuinely black.
Oddly enough it's entirely possible for him to be both. There is no doubt that he was raised by his white mother and her white parents. Makes it pretty tough to square this with the "he and Holder hate white people" talking point that you, fsd, and other psychos of your ilk babble about.
A person can be racist without hating anybody. Its simply an opinion, and always wrong.
LOL if for serious
LOL at racism requiring hate.
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They are getting much worse. Because the president is racist, he makes sure that things like Ferguson make national news. We don't ever hear about white people having problems with the police. It should be a citizen issue, but instead it's a race issue.
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are there some examples of obama's racisim?
I think that may depend on your definition of racism. Beyond a doubt, he has an annoying and frankly harmful tendency to cast issues in racial terms when it isn't warranted. "If I had a son, he'd look like [insert latest young black male death that may or may not have anything to do with race]." Saying "the Cambridge Police acted stupidly" when they acted appropriately. Just a few examples.
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any examples of racism tho?
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are there some examples of obama's racisim?
I think that may depend on your definition of racism. Beyond a doubt, he has an annoying and frankly harmful tendency to cast issues in racial terms when it isn't warranted. "If I had a son, he'd look like [insert latest young black male death that may or may not have anything to do with race]." Saying "the Cambridge Police acted stupidly" when they acted appropriately. Just a few examples.
I doubt your precious lil KSU would have been followed and looked at with suspicion the way Trayvon was.
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are there some examples of obama's racisim?
I think that may depend on your definition of racism. Beyond a doubt, he has an annoying and frankly harmful tendency to cast issues in racial terms when it isn't warranted. "If I had a son, he'd look like [insert latest young black male death that may or may not have anything to do with race]." Saying "the Cambridge Police acted stupidly" when they acted appropriately. Just a few examples.
I doubt your precious lil KSU would have been followed and looked at with suspicion the way Trayvon was.
Maybe, maybe not. But I doubt he would have attacked GZ if confronted.
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everyone is racist on some level (humans can't help it)
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everyone is racist on some level (humans can't help it)
So humans are born that way, like gay people?
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https://youtu.be/RovF1zsDoeM
I think it's actually more of a bias based on evolution(need to find the link) that people fear what is different than what they're used to. But i also, think there's a difference between bias vs. Racism. Racism is learned and conscious. Bias is more inherent. Both aren't great for race relations, but being aware of a bias you hold is better than being white male reverse racism guy.
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https://youtu.be/RovF1zsDoeM
I think it's actually more of a bias based on evolution(need to find the link) that people fear what is different than what they're used to. But i also, think there's a difference between bias vs. Racism. Racism is learned and conscious. Bias is more inherent. Both aren't great for race relations, but being aware of a bias you hold is better than being white male reverse racism guy.
That sounds about right.
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It's been about 12-13 years, but my then 5 year old nephew (dobbernephew1) was at a Royal's game and a picture of a boy from the stands appears on the jumbo tron and dobbernephew1 said to my brother, "That looks like cousin "dobbernephew2"!"
The kid on the screen was black and my nephews are all white. RACISM DOES NOT EXIST IN THE DOBBERFAMILY! CASE CLOSED!
:lol: if you think racism doesn't exist. It does. In a world without racism, I would not remember that story 12 years later. Are race relations better or worse under Obama? Yes.
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The president is a huge racist, and I don't even know how anyone could argue against that fact.
He is physically incapable of not framing every domestic issue in front of him racially. It's pathetic, but also the Dem credo, so what do you expect?
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Fsd, can you help ksuw out and list some examples of obamas racism, ksuw is having a hard time finding any :frown:
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Fsd, can you help ksuw out and list some examples of obamas racism, ksuw is having a hard time finding any :frown:
Mrs. (whatever racist nickname they have more Michelle this week) Obama's commencement speech that foxnews edited, clearly racist.
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Fsd, can you help ksuw out and list some examples of obamas racism, ksuw is having a hard time finding any :frown:
What? Ididn't call Obama a racist. I said it depends upon your definition of "racism." I simply pointed out, accurately, that Obama doesn't help racial polarization by casting non-racial issues in racial terms.
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Fsd, can you help ksuw out and list some examples of obamas racism, ksuw is having a hard time finding any :frown:
Based upon the standard the left has for what is and is not racism, express or implied, I challenge you to find an example of something he's said or done that is not racist.
We have like a 10 page thread complaining about the racism associated with presenting an ID. The racism bar is subterranean in libtard land. Call looters thugs, racism. Oppose murdering unborn children, racism. Restrictions the use of snap cards at casinos, racism.
I know it's instinctual for a libtard to demand to have it both ways, but he literally frames every domestic issue around race first, which is racism.
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:lol:
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Fsd, can you help ksuw out and list some examples of obamas racism, ksuw is having a hard time finding any :frown:
Based upon the standard the left has for what is and is not racism, express or implied, I challenge you to find an example of something he's said or done that is not racist.
We have like a 10 page thread complaining about the racism associated with presenting an ID. The racism bar is subterranean in libtard land. Call looters thugs, racism. Oppose murdering unborn children, racism. Restrictions the use of snap cards at casinos, racism.
I know it's instinctual for a libtard to demand to have it both ways, but he literally frames every domestic issue around race first, which is racism.
He's racist because his life experience and how he views socio-political issues are different than that of a white man from Clay Center, amazing.
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His racism is okay because of his perspective. -MIR
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So I'm chillin at a Labor day parade with my wife and kids, the shriners come rolling by in their mini cars and crap. One of those motherfuckers comes rolling up to me and says "nice tan." What the eff? My wife was incredulous, I just laughed, Trump's America.
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they lose their crap over the tiny % of white women marrying/dating out, but have no problems with non-white women - chinese/southeast asian being their go-to.
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they lose their crap over the tiny % of white women marrying/dating out, but have no problems with non-white women - chinese/southeast asian being their go-to.
MIR, prejudice is a product of ignorance, cowardice, and self inferiority. I grew up in a home where my dad, a kind man, was very prejudice. He was comfortable in his white farmer world and we were not wealthy. So I went off into the world like my dad, but I have met many people of different ethnicity and met many couples who do have marriages similar to yours. I have learned people are either good folk or not because of who they are. I am happy when I see a family that loves each other and a raising their children to be great people. Unfortunately, some ignorant bastard like me never open their eyes to learn new things. I still fight my up bringing, but I see people who constantly show me I am wrong, very wrong. I do hope we reach a point where MLK's dream is fully realized. My children were not raised like me, and their is hope.
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:thumbs:
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https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2482054982.html
Conclusion: trump supporters are racist
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https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2482054982.html
Conclusion: trump supporters are racist
I can't dispute there are some despicable people who have leached onto Trump like blood suckling ticks onto the wallies of a houndog. The ticks aren't houndog. The media keeps pushing the notion that whityonly pushed the election to Trump. This makes these morons feel empowered and important; leading them to believe that they control the houndog. I think it is fairer to say Trump followers are haters that have become tired of being bullied and getting constant noogies from the leftist elites. We, they, me are lashing out through the ballot box. My vote wasn't for Trump, it was against Hillary. Getting a conservative judge was one of the reasons not to vote for her. I honestly hope Trump is no more than a 4 year president. Too much hate on both sides. Renosweets holds up a mirror for me to look in often, outside ok, but still some ugly bastard inside.