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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: AndrewVonLintel on January 18, 2015, 11:45:46 PM
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Tim Fitzgerald on the Drive. January 18, 2015 last 30 seconds of the show.
"In a strange turn there's been a segment of fans at Kansas State who have never really given oscar Weber a chance and every time things turn south they jump on it immediately. It is part of social media, a fringe element can all find each other and suddenly they have a club of people that believe in the same thing no matter how silly it can be, they listen to each other, they repeat the same thing over and over and convince a few other people and pretty soon we are all convinced that there is a big segment of fans who believe this stupid idea that oscar Weber should be fired after going to the NCAA tournament in 2 straight seasons."
:facepalm:
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Naa. A bunch of empty seats before the OU win are indicative of a very strong, committed set of fans that support oscar Weber.
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What the hell is "the drive" and why did you listen?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Us? Speak for yourself. :buh-bye:
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Well it is more than just I. There are at least 6 of us.
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What the hell is "the drive" and why did you listen?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Try it some time before you trash it without seeing it.
https://www.facebook.com/TheDriveShow
Also available on Sunday nights via WIBW and others.
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Can't really disagree with him there.
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Did he talk at all about how dorky oscar is? I feel like that deserves more air time.
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
He is incredibly insecure.
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
He is incredibly insecure.
"some fans" "fans on social media" "certain message board posters" all code for "goEMAW." Would make for an interesting drinking game.
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I guess oscar's record of success can't speak for itself.
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WE ARE ALL CONVINCED!
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
He is incredibly insecure.
"some fans" "fans on social media" "certain message board posters" all code for "goEMAW." Would make for an interesting drinking game.
We got our hands slapped by SB Nation for slamming them, too.
Just a legion of haters, I guess.
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
He is incredibly insecure.
"some fans" "fans on social media" "certain message board posters" all code for "goEMAW." Would make for an interesting drinking game.
We got our hands slapped by SB Nation for slamming them, too.
Just a legion of haters, I guess.
"them" meaning oscar and his staff?
zero NCAA tourney wins isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
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Tim Fitzgerald on the Drive. January 18, 2015 last 30 seconds of the show.
"In a strange turn there's been a segment of fans at Kansas State who have never really given oscar Weber a chance and every time things turn south they jump on it immediately. It is part of social media, a fringe element can all find each other and suddenly they have a club of people that believe in the same thing no matter how silly it can be, they listen to each other, they repeat the same thing over and over and convince a few other people and pretty soon we are all convinced that there is a big segment of fans who believe this stupid idea that oscar Weber should be fired after going to the NCAA tournament in 2 straight seasons."
:facepalm:
Does Tim not realize that this effect does not need social media? Like, a collection of tucks in the chairbacks can't do the same thing around whatever their opinions happen to be at that moment?
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Everyone on the 'Bash is 100% behind oscar Weber? If so, they really have run everyone but the Jack Boot Kool-Aid drinkers off.
Did I see a critical tweet of oscar Weber by D. Scott "it's always the players fault" Fritchen on Saturday?
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The truly amazing thing to me is that Fitz is the only person making (decent?) money off of Cat fans. Why does he spend so much time talking about his competition?
Gonna win 'em all!
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
He is incredibly insecure.
"some fans" "fans on social media" "certain message board posters" all code for "goEMAW." Would make for an interesting drinking game.
We got our hands slapped by SB Nation for slamming them, too.
Just a legion of haters, I guess.
Would like to see the breakdown on the team's record before and after "This Team Stinks"
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The truly amazing thing to me is that Fitz is the only person making (decent?) money off of Cat fans. Why does he spend so much time talking about his competition?
Gonna win 'em all!
What's the better approach to that slob T. Fitz? A) Completely ignore him as if he doesn't exist? B) Throw gasoline on fire, poke and prod, similar to our treatment of Beems?
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Tim Fitzgerald on the Drive. January 18, 2015 last 30 seconds of the show.
"In a strange turn there's been a segment of fans at Kansas State who have never really given oscar Weber a chance and every time things turn south they jump on it immediately. It is part of social media, a fringe element can all find each other and suddenly they have a club of people that believe in the same thing no matter how silly it can be, they listen to each other, they repeat the same thing over and over and convince a few other people and pretty soon we are all convinced that there is a big segment of fans who believe this stupid idea that oscar Weber should be fired after going to the NCAA tournament in 2 straight seasons."
:facepalm:
Does Tim not realize that this effect does not need social media? Like, a collection of tucks in the chairbacks can't do the same thing around whatever their opinions happen to be at that moment?
It's weird when old people blame social media for stuff they don't like. They act like only people with their particular view of the world were able to form groups before Twitter. That would make them complicit in some pretty awful crap.
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Well it is more than just I. There are at least 6 of us.
us.
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I guess oscar's record of success can't squeak for itself.
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Good lord OP. What a worthless existence you must live if you actually watch The Drive.
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this four-game stretch shouldn't do anything to improve your opinion of oscar. k-state went 4-0, but should have gone 2-2, and they played three games at home, were favored in all three, and two (possibly three) wins came against the three worst teams in the league.
why wasn't fitz calling the oscar criticisms 'silly' prior to this recent streak?
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why wasn't fitz calling the oscar criticisms 'silly' prior to this recent streak?
This.
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why wasn't fitz calling the oscar criticisms 'silly' prior to this recent streak?
This.
The same reason he won't call silly after oscar goes 1-3 over the next 4.
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This is not about calling out oscar
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I welcome tim fitzgerald talking about goEMAW as loudly and as often as he wants.
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Butthurt pub' is the best kind of pub'.
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On second thought, I am not really sure he is talking about us. Prob some other site
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And you posted this same thing on GPC? Dude, how sad are you?
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whos Tim Fitzgerald?
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The truly amazing thing to me is that Fitz is the only person making (decent?) money off of Cat fans. Why does he spend so much time talking about his competition?
Gonna win 'em all!
What's the better approach to that slob T. Fitz? A) Completely ignore him as if he doesn't exist? B) Throw gasoline on fire, poke and prod, similar to our treatment of Beems?
Am I the only person that read "slob" and thought it was short for "slobber"?
Signs that gE is affecting your daily life?
Gonna win 'em all!
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I welcome tim fitzgerald talking about goEMAW as loudly and as often as he wants.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapatalk.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F15%2F01%2F19%2Fd8e56017d05c3fa3fe639b67c56c25b0.jpg&hash=adb12f28025caae473af464be9aeab8f2e102736)
Gonna win 'em all!
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Traffic is way up, thanks Tim!
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Traffic is way up, thanks Tim!
It's amazing. He puts the braces on our kids teeth. Love that guy.
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Pretty much every time Fitz has a microphone in his face he is attempting to call out goEMAW.
He is incredibly insecure.
"some fans" "fans on social media" "certain message board posters" all code for "goEMAW." Would make for an interesting drinking game.
We got our hands slapped by SB Nation for slamming them, too.
Just a legion of haters, I guess.
"them" meaning oscar and his staff?
zero NCAA tourney wins isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
Sorry, no. Fitz and staff.
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The gE intern needs to make the arrangements for us to have our own cable-access show.
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We used to have a podcast
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The cable show and/or podcast should just be someone reading threads aloud like books on tape
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A tv show could feature #acting.
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How dare he !! Point finger at lunatic fringe on this board !! I am appalled !!
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How dare he !! Point finger at lunatic fringe on this board !! I am appalled !!
well, technically he didn't @ us
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I personally enjoy reading and watching the goEMAW floods on social media. It's much much more entertaining than the fans who actually like our dorkstore coach.
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whos Tim Fitzgerald?
This.
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Tim Fitzpatrick is how oscar pronounces it.
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He's still pretty mad on the GoPowercat Podcast. :dunno:
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I bet he is super pissed because his wife lied and said that one of us is running her twitter.
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lol sweet
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He's still pretty mad on the GoPowercat Podcast. :dunno:
transcript please
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He's still pretty mad on the GoPowercat Podcast. :dunno:
transcript please
Way too long. I think it started about 47 minutes in. Helps if you play it on an ipad or something that speeds it up w/o making their voices too chipmunky.
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Seems like the 'bash Jackboots have gotten really angry and aggressive lately.
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He's still pretty mad on the GoPowercat Podcast. :dunno:
transcript please
Way too long. I think it started about 47 minutes in. Helps if you play it on an ipad or something that speeds it up w/o making their voices too chipmunky.
Wow. Are these guys as douchey in person as they come across on the podcast?
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He's still pretty mad on the GoPowercat Podcast. :dunno:
transcript please
Way too long. I think it started about 47 minutes in. Helps if you play it on an ipad or something that speeds it up w/o making their voices too chipmunky.
Wow. Are these guys as douchey in person as they come across on the podcast?
I don't think they're #acting.
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Have they burned that desk on the Drive yet? Do you know how dirty that thing is? It's notorious for having G.A.T. all over it, via Timbo. Sports hotties, please :barf:
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Timmy Fitz, can we get a shout out today?
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February 7, 2015
Weber's Wildcats quickly collapsing
Tim Fitzgerald, commentary
GoPowercat
:surprised:
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February 7, 2015
Weber's Wildcats quickly collapsing
Tim Fitzgerald, commentary
GoPowercat
:surprised:
I won't believe he means it until he says it on a cable-access show.
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JFC, there hasn't been anything "quickly" about it.
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JFC, there hasn't been anything "quickly" about it.
Exactly but that way the Weber defenders can pretend this flew out of left field and shocked them.
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Why didn't Mr. Bread warn us?????
:runaway: :horrorsurprise: :sdeek:
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Why didn't Mr. Bread warn us?????
:runaway: :horrorsurprise: :sdeek:
Yeah :whistle1:
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Yep. It's all bread's fault for not preemptively calling Currie in Dallas. One rough ridin' phone call, but nooooooo.
Why didn't Mr. Bread warn us?????
:runaway: :horrorsurprise: :sdeek:
Yeah :whistle1:
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I had the opportunity to read Mis-Fitz-Er-Mations Column.
I would rate it as follows:
On a 1 to 5 Captain Obvious scale with a 1 being an entirely different and insightful take and a 5 being pretty much cutting and pasting from what 50 (plus) people are posting on a message board.
5 out of 5 Captain Obvious
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I find fitz reads better if you breathe through your mouth.
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Welcome to the fringe element Fitz!!
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Whoa!!!!!!!
Tom Keegan is on board with Brad Underwood!!!
Tim Fitzgerald is on board with Brad Underwood!!!
Keegan even said it might happen this year!!!!
goEMAW is winning!!!!!!!!
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Jack Harry in his own stuttering way just said "a lot of grumbling in Manhattan and Underwood is out there." :Woohoo:
Momentum
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Whoa!!!!!!!
Tom Keegan is on board with Brad Underwood!!!
Tim Fitzgerald is on board with Brad Underwood!!!
Keegan even said it might happen this year!!!!
goEMAW is winning!!!!!!!!
:ksu:
Strike while the irons are hot.
#TIMEFORBRAD
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Jack Harry in his own stuttering way just said "a lot of grumbling in Manhattan and Underwood is out there." :Woohoo:
Momentum
For once, Jack is on track.
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Tom Keegan
Tim Fitzgerald
Fringe media.
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I'm cooling on Underwood now
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During that show, did they just have the Brad thread up on the green screen behind them?
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I'm cooling on Underwood now
Don't be a hipster.
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I'm cooling on Underwood now
Don't be a hipster.
Mostly joking, but he is largely winning with the previous coach's players. And we know all about that.
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if you're currie, you're basically betting your career if you hire gottlieb.
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has anyone ever had co-HC's before? Undy x's and o's and pinwheels and stuff and Lieb's recruits and trolls KU fans on twitter.
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I'm cooling on Underwood now
Don't be a hipster.
Mostly joking, but he is largely winning with the previous coach's players. And we know all about that.
Even if he were winning with his own players, his league competition is so weak that it would be tough to figure out how good his players are. He's clearly too good to be in the Southland Conference. That doesn't necessarily mean he's good enough for the Big 12, but he's probably our best option.
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he is largely winning with the previous coach's players.
not this year. he has lots of jrs and srs because he recruited a bunch of jucos. he only has three players that are holdovers from the previous coach (those three do get lots of minutes, and two have high oratings, but the two highest usage guys are new).
even last year, it's not like he walked into a bunch of three year starters. the team lost three sr starters from the previous year.
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he is largely winning with the previous coach's players.
not this year. he has lots of jrs and srs because he recruited a bunch of jucos. he only has three players that are holdovers from the previous coach (those three do get lots of minutes, and two have high oratings, but the two highest usage guys are new).
even last year, it's not like he walked into a bunch of three year starters. the team lost three sr starters from the previous year.
oh, good to know. I just saw a lot of JR's and SR's and assumed.
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http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/fire/
Take that, dumbasses!
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oscar has got him brainwashed :lol:
I’m not someone who typically calls for a firing. But I did call for Prince’s. It’s important to give people time to establish how a program is trending. It’s rare that you can know that in 3 years, but with Prince it was clear. You didn’t even need to understand football to see how bad the product on the field had gotten. It was time to go. That was a program that for 3 years trended straight down
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My favorite part:
oscar Weber will be the coach at K-State for the 2015-16 season.
No amount of tweets, emails, or other tactics are going to change that. Continuing to sow discord among the fan base does nothing more than present a sad and pathetic image of what EMAW means to the rest of the collegiate sports world
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gE is right, everyone else is wrong. Time will show it to be true.
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fans should be happy and complacent. it's what the collegiate sports world expects!
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:lol:
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http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/fire/
Take that, dumbasses!
It’s rare that you can know that in 3 years, but with Prince it was clear. You didn’t even need to understand football to see how bad the product on the field had gotten. It was time to go. That was a program that for 3 years trended straight down3.
In Weber’s 3rd year, you could take a microscopic view and say the trend is down as well. It went from a Big 12 title4 to a 5th place finish to now looking at 8th place. If that’s not trending down, I don’t know what is.
What is this?
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all of our fans have to agree on everything all of the time or someone might notice and look down on us!
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gE is right, everyone else is wrong. Time will show it to be true.
goE has never been correct about a single thing, so this would be a first. The morons that populate the herd and their incredibly dense and stupid shepherds make for high comedy, but otherwise present extremely poorly for the university to those ignorant of the bbs world (which is about 95% of the population).
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gE is right, everyone else is wrong. Time will show it to be true.
goE has never been correct about a single thing, so this would be a first. The morons that populate the herd and their incredibly dense and stupid shepherds make for high comedy, but otherwise present extremely poorly for the university to those ignorant of the bbs world (which is about 95% of the population).
i just spent the last thirty seconds trying to think about something that i've been wrong about on this board and couldn't.
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His use of footnotes is really something else.
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gE is right, everyone else is wrong. Time will show it to be true.
goE has never been correct about a single thing, so this would be a first. The morons that populate the herd and their incredibly dense and stupid shepherds make for high comedy, but otherwise present extremely poorly for the university to those ignorant of the bbs world (which is about 95% of the population).
i just spent the last thirty seconds trying to think about something that i've been wrong about on this board and couldn't.
Do you see what I mean?
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It’s clear to see that there’s an amount of talent on the floor that so far exceeds the dark ages of K-State basketball, and rivals the previous era, that anyone who isn’t already starting their position from wanting to prove that their hatred of oscar Weber is warranted can’t come to a conclusion that they know there is no heading back up for this program under his leadership6.
That doesn't say what he means it to say. Or does it? :surprised:
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Didn't know that this blob or podcast existed. I really enjoy the use of intermittent footnotes. Also enjoy the finger wagging that has been so common lately.
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Everyone deserves time to develop their program regardless of winning the conference their first year and making the NCAA's the first two yrs. You can't expect things to just pick right up where they were when the last guy left.
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Why didn't he just @goEMAW with this article. It's clear who is speaking to.
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gE is right, everyone else is wrong. Time will show it to be true.
goE has never been correct about a single thing, so this would be a first. The morons that populate the herd and their incredibly dense and stupid shepherds make for high comedy, but otherwise present extremely poorly for the university to those ignorant of the bbs world (which is about 95% of the population).
i just spent the last thirty seconds trying to think about something that i've been wrong about on this board and couldn't.
Do you see what I mean?
It's weird when you take this position outside of the pit.
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It’s clear to see that there’s an amount of talent on the floor that so far exceeds the dark ages of K-State basketball, and rivals the previous era, that anyone who isn’t already starting their position from wanting to prove that their hatred of oscar Weber is warranted can’t come to a conclusion that they know there is no heading back up for this program under his leadership6.
That doesn't say what he means it to say. Or does it? :surprised:
To me, the first part of that statement is the worst part. To say that "its clear" that the talent level exceeds Wooly/Asbury is at best extremely debatable and probably just plain wrong.
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It’s clear to see that there’s an amount of talent on the floor that so far exceeds the dark ages of K-State basketball, and rivals the previous era, that anyone who isn’t already starting their position from wanting to prove that their hatred of oscar Weber is warranted can’t come to a conclusion that they know there is no heading back up for this program under his leadership6.
That doesn't say what he means it to say. Or does it? :surprised:
I don't understand this post (I mean the mechanics of the sentence are just awful).
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There are a bunch of dumbfucks that will tell you that they sat through the "basketball dark ages" and that we are better now than then. That doesn't mean crap. They are so happy that we aren't as bad as we were at our worst rather than focusing on what we are compared to what we were when actually good.
Also, I would like to note that "Competitive" means we win more than just occasionally.
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i can't figure out how this guy differentiates the prince 3 year trend and the weber 3 year trend. but we're all dumbasses so that's expected.
in his argument that they're different, all that he does is reinforce that they're the same.
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It’s clear to see that there’s an amount of talent on the floor that so far exceeds the dark ages of K-State basketball, and rivals the previous era, that anyone who isn’t already starting their position from wanting to prove that their hatred of oscar Weber is warranted can’t come to a conclusion that they know there is no heading back up for this program under his leadership6.
That doesn't say what he means it to say. Or does it? :surprised:
I don't understand this post (I mean the mechanics of the sentence are just awful).
That was it.
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also we're not real k-state fans but he is one
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i can't figure out how this guy differentiates the prince 3 year trend and the weber 3 year trend. but we're all dumbasses so that's expected.
in his argument that they're different, all that he does is reinforce that they're the same.
I loved that he had to tell us he was right about wanting Prince fired. lulz.
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it scares me the most is that the mood of/about the program seems to be the dropping so fast back to the dark ages. The good enough moral victories bullshit is what ripped my heart out during Wooly's tenure. I was soooo happy to see expectation under Hugs.
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also we're not real k-state fans but he is one
We don't show the true nature of what emaw really means.
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it scares me the most is that the mood of/about the program seems to be the dropping so fast back to the dark ages. The good enough moral victories bullshit is what ripped my heart out during Wooly's tenure. I was soooo happy to see expectation under Hugs.
Yeah, that series with Wooly where we lost something like 9 games by a combined 14 points absolutely killed me. I guess dumbasses like that thought we were competitive, though?
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Such a weirdo.
I love the attitude of this. Recognizing the reality, but keeping the loyalty. That's the Wildcat Way.
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I would say that the hardcore oscar defenders do it more to prove goEMAW wrong than to cheer for oscar/K-State, but I'm also considerably more intelligent than that guy.
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i can't figure out how this guy differentiates the prince 3 year trend and the weber 3 year trend. but we're all dumbasses so that's expected.
in his argument that they're different, all that he does is reinforce that they're the same.
Exactly.
Uptick, worse, laughable. They're exactly the same.
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also we're not real k-state fans but he is one
We don't show the true nature of what emaw really means.
1. don't think
2. donate money regardless
3. buy tickets and attend super awful games no matter what
4. EMAW your face off on twitter to fake fans
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i can't figure out how this guy differentiates the prince 3 year trend and the weber 3 year trend. but we're all dumbasses so that's expected.
in his argument that they're different, all that he does is reinforce that they're the same.
It's because you're viewing oscar's tenure microscopically. #microscopes #telescopes #vision #20/20
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also we're not real k-state fans but he is one
We don't show the true nature of what emaw really means.
1. don't think
2. donate money regardless
3. buy tickets and attend super awful games no matter what
4. EMAW your face off on twitter to fake fans
This is basically the opposite of a real fan to me. I like EMAWing my face off tho.
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Why didn't he just @goEMAW with this article. It's clear who is speaking to.
I think the the (assumed) prevailing thought on gE is picking up steam around the fan base.
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also we're not real k-state fans but he is one
We don't show the true nature of what emaw really means.
1. don't think
2. donate money regardless
3. buy tickets and attend super awful games no matter what
4. EMAW your face off on twitter to fake fans
This is basically the opposite of a real fan to me. I like EMAWing my face off tho.
You are obviously not a real fan and you should find another team to root for.
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It annoys me. Mike Tufano and Bob Fescoe have both told me IRL that they would never get on a message board and that they don't need "to read that crap", when it's obvious that they do through their messages. Ppl are weird, man.
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Weber inherited a much better team than Prince did IIRC.
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About Mike Tufano
Mike is a '00 graduate of Kansas State University and holds season tickets for Football and Men's & Women's Basketball. He lives in Kansas City, does social media marketing as a day job, and dreams in purple. Follow him on Twitter at @RealMikeT and at MikeTufano.com
:lol:
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he hates goEMAW
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.cpcache.com%2Fmerchandise%2F89_480x480_Front_Color-White.jpg%3Fregion%3Dname%3AFrontCenter%2Cw%3A10%2Ch%3A10%2Ca%3ATopCenter%2Cid%3A72150684&hash=aa245ee0413f7d4a2be1b84749bc23bdace3ea56)
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About Mike Tufano
Mike is a '00 graduate of Kansas State University and holds season tickets for Football and Men's & Women's Basketball. He lives in Kansas City, does social media marketing as a day job, and dreams in purple. Follow him on Twitter at @RealMikeT and at MikeTufano.com
:lol:
I do social media marketing for a living, and has some other hobbies on the side
:D
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:D :shakesfist:
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Weber inherited a much better team than Prince did IIRC.
yeah but the trend is the same. do a little better than the previous guy your first year, then worse, then way worse.
also and on an unrelated note, it really is quite obvious that there are some people who want kstate and oscar to win just so they can be "right" and prove others "wrong". this is blinding them to what is actually happening. like they are all in at this point and have lost the ability to be rational.
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Why didn't he just @goEMAW with this article. It's clear who is speaking to.
doesnt want more hits on our blog here. we are all about that action, boss.
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I think my favorite part was:
Real #KState fans will want to see success, even if it means their opinions turn out to be wrong. -click to tweet
How do we get one of those that says "oscar is a clown boy baby back bitch and I do not respect him" -click to tweet?
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Who was this?
I agree! Lock him up for 20 more years!
:lol:
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It’s clear to see that there’s an amount of talent on the floor that so far exceeds the dark ages of K-State basketball, and rivals the previous era, that anyone who isn’t already starting their position from wanting to prove that their hatred of oscar Weber is warranted can’t come to a conclusion that they know there is no heading back up for this program under his leadership6.
That doesn't say what he means it to say. Or does it? :surprised:
To me, the first part of that statement is the worst part. To say that "its clear" that the talent level exceeds Wooly/Asbury is at best extremely debatable and probably just plain wrong.
To say that the talent level exceeds them and yet we are performing worse doesn't buy Weber a whole lot of credibility in my book
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Who was this?
I agree! Lock him up for 20 more years!
:lol:
:whistle1:
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oh boy, fanman is in a real pickle here.
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It’s clear to see that there’s an amount of talent on the floor that so far exceeds the dark ages of K-State basketball, and rivals the previous era, that anyone who isn’t already starting their position from wanting to prove that their hatred of oscar Weber is warranted can’t come to a conclusion that they know there is no heading back up for this program under his leadership6.
That doesn't say what he means it to say. Or does it? :surprised:
To me, the first part of that statement is the worst part. To say that "its clear" that the talent level exceeds Wooly/Asbury is at best extremely debatable and probably just plain wrong.
To say that the talent level exceeds them and yet we are performing worse doesn't buy Weber a whole lot of credibility in my book
suspensions/injuries tho
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Its pretty noble of oscar to jack his whole season to teach these young men some needed life lessons.
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Its pretty noble of oscar to jack his whole season to teach these young men some needed life lessons.
Kim Anderson is doing that too
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Its pretty noble of oscar to jack his whole season to teach these young men some needed life lessons.
It's what Foster wanted
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Its pretty noble of oscar to jack his whole season to teach these young men some needed life lessons.
It's what Foster wanted
No, it would be easier if it was. It's what that young man needs.
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Weber inherited a much better team than Prince did IIRC.
yeah but the trend is the same. do a little better than the previous guy your first year, then worse, then way worse.
actually Prince's last season was about equal to Snyder's last two. At least in wins and losses.
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Not in Prince Stomps, though.
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Weber has had a much clearer downward trend than Prince. Weber just had more success to start with.
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Weber inherited a much better team than Prince did IIRC.
yeah but the trend is the same. do a little better than the previous guy your first year, then worse, then way worse.
actually Prince's last season was about equal to Snyder's last two. At least in wins and losses.
Average score in Big XII games in those years:
2004: KSU 30 Opp. 32
2005: KSU 22 Opp. 32
2008: KSU 29 Opp 42
Similar but in 2008 the blowouts were worse.
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Weber inherited a much better team than Prince did IIRC.
yeah but the trend is the same. do a little better than the previous guy your first year, then worse, then way worse.
actually Prince's last season was about equal to Snyder's last two. At least in wins and losses.
and he was only 1 top ten win short of matching snyders total for top ten wins in their respective careers in those seasons
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Hey how did this become a LHC Bill Snyder thread???
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Someone fire up an @FakeMikeT twitter
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Hey how did this become a LHC Bill Snyder thread???
'Cause KState
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I think it all comes down to having an elite attitude. If we are chill with being mediocre and hoping our current situation will get better than we should do exactly what Mike T says. But, if we expect excellence, and define excellence as winning NCAA tournament games, you bet your britches that we shouldn't be happy with oscar's performance. It all comes down to how you define excellence.
My definition: NCAA tournament every year. Sweet 16 or better 75% of the time.
Mike T's definition: Be competitive in BIG XII play. Winning record on the "Play Hard" chart.
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The problem is, you can’t narrow the entire focus of a program to one year. If coaches were always treated this way there never would have been a Dean Smith or a Coach K. Both were hung in effigy early in their hall of fame, record setting tenures by fan bases who were unable to take the long view. Now, before you flood the comments section, in no way am I saying that Weber is on the same level of Smith or K, but he certainly isn’t on the level of Ron Prince, either.
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Wow! :love:
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Fitz probably saw this thread bumped and he's probably like: "Heh! Wtf did I do now? :dunno:" :lol:
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I think it all comes down to having an elite attitude. If we are chill with being mediocre and hoping our current situation will get better than we should do exactly what Mike T says. But, if we expect excellence, and define excellence as winning NCAA tournament games, you bet your britches that we shouldn't be happy with oscar's performance. It all comes down to how you define excellence.
My definition: NCAA tournament every year. Sweet 16 or better 75% of the time.
We have been to 4 S16's in 35 years... You see a road from <15%ish to >75%? Frank made the S16 during 20% of his seasons in MHK.
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I think it all comes down to having an elite attitude. If we are chill with being mediocre and hoping our current situation will get better than we should do exactly what Mike T says. But, if we expect excellence, and define excellence as winning NCAA tournament games, you bet your britches that we shouldn't be happy with oscar's performance. It all comes down to how you define excellence.
My definition: NCAA tournament every year. Sweet 16 or better 75% of the time.
We have been to 4 S16's in 35 years... You see a road from <15%ish to >75%? Frank made the S16 during 20% of his seasons in MHK.
Exactly. I don't want to settle for what is easy, I want excellence. If we aren't achieving that high level from our current staff, we need to seek out and pay the person who can take us there.
But, since this is our hobby sport, if we are ok with being mediocre and winning against KU in Bramlage every few years. . .then we should stick with what we've got.
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I think it all comes down to having an elite attitude. If we are chill with being mediocre and hoping our current situation will get better than we should do exactly what Mike T says. But, if we expect excellence, and define excellence as winning NCAA tournament games, you bet your britches that we shouldn't be happy with oscar's performance. It all comes down to how you define excellence.
My definition: NCAA tournament every year. Sweet 16 or better 75% of the time.
We have been to 4 S16's in 35 years... You see a road from <15%ish to >75%? Frank made the S16 during 20% of his seasons in MHK.
Exactly. I don't want to settle for what is easy, I want excellence. If we aren't achieving that high level from our current staff, we need to seek out and pay the person who can take us there.
But, since this is our hobby sport, if we are ok with being mediocre and winning against KU in Bramlage every few years. . .then we should stick with what we've got.
I applaud your commitment to excellence.
Would be interested in a list of programs that have made it to the NCAA and the S16 75% of the time over the past 10 years.
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I think it all comes down to having an elite attitude. If we are chill with being mediocre and hoping our current situation will get better than we should do exactly what Mike T says. But, if we expect excellence, and define excellence as winning NCAA tournament games, you bet your britches that we shouldn't be happy with oscar's performance. It all comes down to how you define excellence.
My definition: NCAA tournament every year. Sweet 16 or better 75% of the time.
We have been to 4 S16's in 35 years... You see a road from <15%ish to >75%? Frank made the S16 during 20% of his seasons in MHK.
Exactly. I don't want to settle for what is easy, I want excellence. If we aren't achieving that high level from our current staff, we need to seek out and pay the person who can take us there.
But, since this is our hobby sport, if we are ok with being mediocre and winning against KU in Bramlage every few years. . .then we should stick with what we've got.
I applaud your commitment to excellence.
Would be interested in a list of programs that have made it to the NCAA and the S16 75% of the time over the past 10 years.
Not KU, UK, UNC, Duke or UL. Yard Dog is a liar though.
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I mean sure, I want to be a basketball dynasty too.
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Its sad that in this day of age we have so many fans that still treat basketball like its the 90s. The atmosphere has changed and the stakes are too high to become complacent.
Granted, I'm likely more patient than almost any other gE poster and am willing to give coaches the time they need to succeed. I can see the rationale for giving oscar next season because he had a decent first two years here. But there should be serious concern with the direction of the program and next year is crucial for him being retained or let go as our head coach. I'm not advocating being lulled into accepting minor standards of improvement, the expectation should be an NCAA tournament next season because 2 year droughts can become 5 or 8 before you even know what happened.
The disappointment for this season should be great. No excuses for what will be our worst season since 2003. No finding moral victories in close losses. No glossing over suspensions and roster problems with a team mainly comprised of athletes this staff recruited. There should be a sense of urgency from our fan base and Currie should want that.
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Why didn't he just @goEMAW with this article. It's clear who is speaking to.
I think the the (assumed) prevailing thought on gE is picking up steam around the fan base.
:pray:
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That wasn't the rationale.
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I think it all comes down to having an elite attitude. If we are chill with being mediocre and hoping our current situation will get better than we should do exactly what Mike T says. But, if we expect excellence, and define excellence as winning NCAA tournament games, you bet your britches that we shouldn't be happy with oscar's performance. It all comes down to how you define excellence.
My definition: NCAA tournament every year. Sweet 16 or better 75% of the time.
We have been to 4 S16's in 35 years... You see a road from <15%ish to >75%? Frank made the S16 during 20% of his seasons in MHK.
Exactly. I don't want to settle for what is easy, I want excellence. If we aren't achieving that high level from our current staff, we need to seek out and pay the person who can take us there.
But, since this is our hobby sport, if we are ok with being mediocre and winning against KU in Bramlage every few years. . .then we should stick with what we've got.
I applaud your commitment to excellence.
Would be interested in a list of programs that have made it to the NCAA and the S16 75% of the time over the past 10 years.
Not KU, UK, UNC, Duke or UL. Yard Dog is a liar though.
I went ahead and actually crunched the numbers. The following stats are for the NCAA tournaments from 2004 - 2014.
Over the course of those ten years there have been 74 different teams in the Sweet 16. Of those 74, only 18 have an appearance % of 40% or above.
Sweet 16 appearance % (2004-2014)
40%
Syracuse
Washington
Villanova
Memphis
UCLA
Tennessee
50%
Xavier
UCONN
Arizona
Louisville
West Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Florida
Ohio State
60%
Oddly no one made it exactly 6 out of 10 times.
70%
KU
Duke
Michigan State
So perhaps my idealism of 75% was a little too high. But a 50-60% appearance rate doesn't seem all that unreasonable as a goal for an elite program.
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Perhaps
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Mike Tufano Mod dcchiefcat • 39 minutes ago
It's not a matter of right and wrong. That's where the "discussion" has been derailed. There is no decision that will be made this year. oscar Weber will be the coach next year, and every K-State fan should desire success as a result. Unlike some fans, my purpose is not to prove whether or not I'm right, but what's best for K-State. If, for example, I disagree with the next football hire, I'll absolutely want to be proven wrong. Those who desire and delight in negative results to prove their point are not fans of K-State, but of themselves.
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Granted, I'm likely more patient than almost any other gE poster and am willing to give coaches the time they need to succeed. I can see the rationale for giving oscar next season because he had a decent first two years here. But there should be serious concern with the direction of the program and next year is crucial for him being retained or let go as our head coach.
the more i think about it, i don't think oscar is a bad coach, at least as far as X's and O's, preparing teams, etc., is concerned. his reputation as being nothing more than a caretaker (winning with self's players at illinois, winning with frank's players at k-state) is probably unfair. the fact is, he built southern illinois into a very solid program (they largely improved five straight years until he took the illinois job), and his 2006 illinois team was every bit as good as the '04 team that made the NCAA title game. after 2006, he had two other top-20 level teams, and he did it with players he recruited.
i think the larger issue with oscar is that he's a horrible, unsteady, confidence-lacking "leader." i've never seen a coach talk more about body language than weber. this year, he's railed on marcus foster's body language. at the end of his tenure at illinois, it was meyers leonard's body language. before that, he hated the body language of his entire TEAM.
this was never more apparent than during the 2011 big ten conference tourney when weber's illinois team played michigan, led by super positive john beilein.
"We haven't been able to get over the hump," said Illinois coach oscar Weber. "I thought we were on a pretty good run. We were playing well. It was energized. It seemed like it was all clicking. Then just a couple of possessions and you could just see our body language change. We didn't have one guy that could step up and make a couple plays."
Compare that to the body language exhibited by the Wolverines (20-12), even when Illinois grabbed an 11-point halftime lead and parried every Michigan run for the first 12 minutes of the second half.
"Coach always talked about in the huddle keeping a 'yes' face no matter what the score is," said Michigan point guard Darius Morris, who led everyone with 17 points and 7 assists. "That means just positive energy."
earlier that same year, this was written by illinois writer lindsey willhite:
I’m not sure how much a coach’s body language matters to his players. To his team’s fan base. To a nation of fans with no dog in the hunt, but who tune in just to watch some hoops. All I know is, during almost every Illinois game, there’ll be a crucial possession or two where the shot clock starts running down and the Illini offense gets stuck in neutral and oscar Weber clasps his hands behind his head in a bit of body language that screams, “Oh, crud, I can just feel something’s going to go wrong here!” It happened again during a key juncture of No. 20 Illinois’ 52-49 loss at Indiana. Maybe the players didn’t notice. Maybe the fans in the stands and watching on TV didn’t notice. But it sure does seem that the Illini are playing like a team that can’t escape that “something’s about to go wrong” feeling.
Depending on whether your glass is half-full or half-empty, here’s what you need to know about Illinois’ season: When the game hasn’t been in doubt in the final minute, the Illini are 13-0. When the game has been up for grabs in the final minute, the Illini are 1-7. And the only win in that group was the Nov. 19 game against Maryland, when Illinois owned a 12-point lead with 5:37 to go and the Terps rallied to get within 2 with 7.3 seconds left. Now, you can spin that as, “Hey, these Illinois have taken everyone from No. 1 Ohio State to then-No. 9 Missouri to Texas down to the wire. That’s a team that can compete with anyone. It’s just snake-bit.” Or you can spin it as, “This team does not have what it takes to win games at the end.”
one of my biggest criticisms of weber over the years is that he's nothing more than a hope trafficker. "i hope we can play with this team," or "i think we might be able to give ourselves a chance," or "i'd like for us to be in position at the end." he doesn't exude confidence, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, and yet...he probably spends countless hours behind closed doors telling his players they don't have any confidence and that their body language is poor...and the criticism likely isn't well received.
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Unlike some fans, my purpose is not to prove whether or not I'm right......If, for example, I disagree with the next football hire, I'll absolutely want to be proven wrong.
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Granted, I'm likely more patient than almost any other gE poster and am willing to give coaches the time they need to succeed. I can see the rationale for giving oscar next season because he had a decent first two years here. But there should be serious concern with the direction of the program and next year is crucial for him being retained or let go as our head coach.
the more i think about it, i don't think oscar is a bad coach, at least as far as X's and O's, preparing teams, etc., is concerned. his reputation as being nothing more than a caretaker (winning with self's players at illinois, winning with frank's players at k-state) is probably unfair. the fact is, he built southern illinois into a very solid program (they largely improved five straight years until he took the illinois job), and his 2006 illinois team was every bit as good as the '04 team that made the NCAA title game. after 2006, he had two other top-20 level teams, and he did it with players he recruited.
i think the larger issue with oscar is that he's a horrible, unsteady, confidence-lacking "leader." i've never seen a coach talk more about body language than weber. this year, he's railed on marcus foster's body language. at the end of his tenure at illinois, it was meyers leonard's body language. before that, he hated the body language of his entire TEAM.
this was never more apparent than during the 2011 big ten conference tourney when weber's illinois team played michigan, led by super positive john beilein.
"We haven't been able to get over the hump," said Illinois coach oscar Weber. "I thought we were on a pretty good run. We were playing well. It was energized. It seemed like it was all clicking. Then just a couple of possessions and you could just see our body language change. We didn't have one guy that could step up and make a couple plays."
Compare that to the body language exhibited by the Wolverines (20-12), even when Illinois grabbed an 11-point halftime lead and parried every Michigan run for the first 12 minutes of the second half.
"Coach always talked about in the huddle keeping a 'yes' face no matter what the score is," said Michigan point guard Darius Morris, who led everyone with 17 points and 7 assists. "That means just positive energy."
earlier that same year, this was written by illinois writer lindsey willhite:
I’m not sure how much a coach’s body language matters to his players. To his team’s fan base. To a nation of fans with no dog in the hunt, but who tune in just to watch some hoops. All I know is, during almost every Illinois game, there’ll be a crucial possession or two where the shot clock starts running down and the Illini offense gets stuck in neutral and oscar Weber clasps his hands behind his head in a bit of body language that screams, “Oh, crud, I can just feel something’s going to go wrong here!” It happened again during a key juncture of No. 20 Illinois’ 52-49 loss at Indiana. Maybe the players didn’t notice. Maybe the fans in the stands and watching on TV didn’t notice. But it sure does seem that the Illini are playing like a team that can’t escape that “something’s about to go wrong” feeling.
Depending on whether your glass is half-full or half-empty, here’s what you need to know about Illinois’ season: When the game hasn’t been in doubt in the final minute, the Illini are 13-0. When the game has been up for grabs in the final minute, the Illini are 1-7. And the only win in that group was the Nov. 19 game against Maryland, when Illinois owned a 12-point lead with 5:37 to go and the Terps rallied to get within 2 with 7.3 seconds left. Now, you can spin that as, “Hey, these Illinois have taken everyone from No. 1 Ohio State to then-No. 9 Missouri to Texas down to the wire. That’s a team that can compete with anyone. It’s just snake-bit.” Or you can spin it as, “This team does not have what it takes to win games at the end.”
one of my biggest criticisms of weber over the years is that he's nothing more than a hope trafficker. "i hope we can play with this team," or "i think we might be able to give ourselves a chance," or "i'd like for us to be in position at the end." he doesn't exude confidence, his sideline demeanor is the worst of any coach i've ever seen, and yet...he probably spends countless hours behind closed doors telling his players they don't have any confidence and that their body language is poor...and the criticism likely isn't well received.
I think this is a pretty good take on Weber. Its just a weird thing with him; he's had far too much success to be a terrible coach, but at the same time he's had far too much mediocre to be really good. It seems clear that Weber lacks the type of ego that most of the great coaches have, both in his demeanor and his language.
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Over the course of those ten years there have been 74 different teams in the Sweet 16. Of those 74, only 18 have an appearance % of 40% or above.
Sweet 16 appearance % (2004-2014)
40%
Syracuse
Washington
Villanova
Memphis
UCLA
Tennessee
50%
Xavier
UCONN
Arizona
Louisville
West Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Florida
Ohio State
60%
Oddly no one made it exactly 6 out of 10 times.
70%
KU
Duke
Michigan State
So perhaps my idealism of 75% was a little too high. But a 50-60% appearance rate doesn't seem all that unreasonable as a goal for an elite program.
Very interesting breakdown. Surprised to see Xavier, WVU, TN and Washington on the list. The 50+% group is elite.
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oscar has won 5 conference championships while never being at the big dog school of his conference that is very good. The coaching job he did his first year at Kansas State was insane, he won a share of the conference championship with one low four star guy. That is just stupid. He has proven that he can be a really really good coach.
oscar couldn't solve this teams immaturities, team struggled to play hard early in the year. This team has been a mess with injuries and suspensions. But, Frank / Coaching transition didn't leave oscar in good longterm position, we have two upperclass men on this team. Neither of them are guards and both the undersized at their position. Solid players with limitations.
Next year if you assume that the main pieces stay and you should. He shouldn't get a break if one of his players leaves. The expectations should be high. We will have good experience at the guard position and oscar brought in guys higher on his recruiting board than the previous years. Need to finsh in the top half of the conference. It isn't about the tournament, it is greater than that. Our big Sophomore class has to be in position to make a run at the conference championship the following year.
Best part is if it doesn't work out. We are not in terrible position, we get go after Brad. I don't think he inherits a terrible roster.
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oscar has won 5 conference championships while never being at the big dog school of his conference that is very good. The coaching job he did his first year at Kansas State was insane, he won a share of the conference championship with one low four star guy. That is just stupid. He has proven that he can be a really really good coach.
oscar couldn't solve this teams immaturities, team struggled to play hard early in the year. This team has been a mess with injuries and suspensions. But, Frank / Coaching transition didn't leave oscar in good longterm position, we have two upperclass men on this team. Neither of them are guards and both the undersized at their position. Solid players with limitations.
Next year if you assume that the main pieces stay and you should. He shouldn't get a break if one of his players leaves. The expectations should be high. We will have good experience at the guard position and oscar brought in guys higher on his recruiting board than the previous years. Need to finsh in the top half of the conference. It isn't about the tournament, it is greater than that. Our big Sophomore class has to be in position to make a run at the conference championship the following year.
Best part is if it doesn't work out. We are not in terrible position, we get go after Brad. I don't think he inherits a terrible roster.
Reasonable. Won't go over for most here, but I can see it.
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But, Frank / Coaching transition didn't leave oscar in good longterm position
on rough ridin' opposite day
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I think this is a pretty good take on Weber. Its just a weird thing with him; he's had far too much success to be a terrible coach, but at the same time he's had far too much mediocre to be really good. It seems clear that Weber lacks the type of ego that most of the great coaches have, both in his demeanor and his language.
unsurprisingly, his all-time against the spread record is 238-238.
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I think this is a pretty good take on Weber. Its just a weird thing with him; he's had far too much success to be a terrible coach, but at the same time he's had far too much mediocre to be really good. It seems clear that Weber lacks the type of ego that most of the great coaches have, both in his demeanor and his language.
unsurprisingly, his all-time against the spread record is 238-238.
unsurprisingly, the total for all coaches ever is exactly .500 as well
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This sophomore class will not sniff a conference title. Good grief.
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Man, what fools Illinois were to fire this amazing basketball mind. What were they thinking? Good thing we snapped him up because I am sure there were schools lined up around the block for the droppings from the mighty Illinois basketball program. I mean not meeting Illinois super insane expectations is one thing, but li'l ole KSU might just be the right fit for this dynamic basketball wizard. The only way he could fail would be from events way outside of oscar's control. We should all recognize how privileged we are as basketball fans to have this titan of the industry leading patrolling the sidelines.
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oscar has won 5 conference championships while never being at the big dog school of his conference that is very good. The coaching job he did his first year at Kansas State was insane, he won a share of the conference championship with one low four star guy. That is just stupid. He has proven that he can be a really really good coach.
oscar couldn't solve this teams immaturities, team struggled to play hard early in the year. This team has been a mess with injuries and suspensions. But, Frank / Coaching transition didn't leave oscar in good longterm position, we have two upperclass men on this team. Neither of them are guards and both the undersized at their position. Solid players with limitations.
Next year if you assume that the main pieces stay and you should. He shouldn't get a break if one of his players leaves. The expectations should be high. We will have good experience at the guard position and oscar brought in guys higher on his recruiting board than the previous years. Need to finsh in the top half of the conference. It isn't about the tournament, it is greater than that. Our big Sophomore class has to be in position to make a run at the conference championship the following year.
Best part is if it doesn't work out. We are not in terrible position, we get go after Brad. I don't think he inherits a terrible roster.
To give oscar all the credit for the team his first year and Frank a lot of the blame for his team the third year is just stupid.
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he has had really good years and really poor years. more than anything, he is a high variance coach.
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I want to punch people who say K-State should expect to be in the top half of the league.
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I want to punch people who say K-State should expect to be in the top half of the league.
:curse:
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Can you imagine the shake up in the college basketball coaching word if we *did* let oscar go? Oh man! The domino effect would be amazing! Shock waves. Which big time program do you think would snap him up first? Louisiana Tech? Eastern Illinois? They might even fire their coach to get him! Oh but if we are lucky maybe Mark Fox will ripe for us to go grab!
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Where the eff are you getting 5 Big Ten championships from?
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Wow, never had chingon pegged as a not real kstate fan. :frown:
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We can't fire oscar Weber with this 17 Big 12 championships and 36 national titles.
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I think the 5 count was from 2 MVC, 2 Big Ten, and 1 Big 12
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I think the 5 count was from 2 MVC, 2 Big Ten, and 1 Big 12
Oh man, just who is the BIG DOG from the MVC?
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I think the 5 count was from 2 MVC, 2 Big Ten, and 1 Big 12
Oh man, just who is the BIG DOG from the MVC?
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I think the 5 count was from 2 MVC, 2 Big Ten, and 1 Big 12
Oh man, just who is the BIG DOG from the MVC?
Easily Creighton till they moved on.
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Never mind that in the decade before oscar, Southern Illinois won as many conference titles, went to more NCAAs than Creighton and more NITs, but yeah... Statistics are for morons
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I went ahead and actually crunched the numbers. The following stats are for the NCAA tournaments from 2004 - 2014.
Over the course of those ten years there have been 74 different teams in the Sweet 16. Of those 74, only 18 have an appearance % of 40% or above.
Sweet 16 appearance % (2004-2014)
40%
Syracuse
Washington
Villanova
Memphis
UCLA
Tennessee
50%
Xavier
UCONN
Arizona
Louisville
West Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Florida
Ohio State
60%
Oddly no one made it exactly 6 out of 10 times.
70%
KU
Duke
Michigan State
So perhaps my idealism of 75% was a little too high. But a 50-60% appearance rate doesn't seem all that unreasonable as a goal for an elite program.
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Interesting - this sort of validates my theory that the Big 12 and the SEC have always been more focused on football. Thus it allows a school like KU to dominate their league basketball. Notice that the Big 12 each only have 1 team in that list. You cannot count W. Virginia as they have only been in the Big 12 two of those 10 years.
I was explaining this to a friend. I said have you noticed that Nebraska has never went after a big time coach in BB. They have the money to match any school in the country. Same with Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M. You know KU, N. Carolina, Duke, UCLA ...... etc would not have put up with Rick Barnes record considering the talent he has had.
Also why do many of the good coaches leave the Big 12 when they were up-n-comers. Why not stay in the conference. The only two that have stayed are Bill Self. Fred Hoiberg might stay.
Mark Turgeon,
Kelvin Sampson
Billy Gillespie
Lon Kruger
Roy Williams
Mike Anderson
Tim Floyd
Lately, the Big 12 gets most of its coaches who have been fired from better programs and are on the decline in their career. All had great success at one time but not at their last stop. The exception may be Eddie Sutton.
Lon Krueger (current)
Tubby Smith (current)
Billy Gillespie
Bobby Knight
Bob Huggins (current)
Eddie Sutton
Trent Johnson (Current)
Tubby Smith (current)
Also has anyone noticed that if you are a perennial powerhouse in Basketball then your football team usually is not very good and usually has been bad. (KU, Kentucky, Duke, N. Carolina) I think those 4 teams are probably in the Top 5 all time NCAA basketball appearances. On 2 teams on that list (Florida, Ohio State) are blue blood football programs. It must be hard to have a great team in both Football and Basketball. I don't know why.
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Circle of Life
Dana Altman is not good enough for KSU -> scooped up by BIG DOG Creighton <---> battles MVC foe Salukis lead by basketball prodigy Weber --> Weber triumphs and takes over Illinois which has just has it's coach scooped by BIG DOG KU (who incidentally followed Lon Kruger who jumped ship for a better job than KSU) --> oscar is victimized by bad luck, insane expectations, players with poor body language and KSU can see through these misfortunes to make the hire of the millenium in oscar Weber.
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I want to punch people who say K-State should expect to be in the top half of the league.
why?
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Regardless of how things are trending firing oscar at the end of the season doesn't seem realistic. That's not to say history isn't on those who want him gone ASAP's side.
Realistically, this year is a dive and either oscar turns it up next season of he's gonzo. That brings in a huge fear of oscar doing just enough to stay on the job, beginning a multi-year span of dancing between the NCAA and NIT bubbles. It's absolutely realistic to hope for the short-term worst, because they want long-term success.
But that's where the masses just can't come to grips with the fire-now sentiment. It's impossible for many people to think so pragmatically. I get the line of thought, but just can't pull myself to root for the worst, even though I fear the best might not be very good at all.
It's almost like so many political arguments we see today where one side just will not accept the other's viewpoint and vice versa.
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I want to punch people who say K-State should expect to be in the top half of the league.
why?
Poorly worded on my part. It seems to be a statement of complacency. I'll say at times I still live in a 12 team paradigm so I want at least upper third in that world (which also is part of why I worded the comment so bad). I expect to be in the tournament every year with maybe 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 dropping by some oddity (like a ridic league where we get left out like Hug's year). I think 4th in this 10 team world is minimum. Now previously the Big12 hasn't had much room between 2 or 3 and 7 or 8 over the last few years, so one or two games will be critical. That means we win random road games at Tech, and probably WVU.
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I want to punch people who say K-State should expect to be in the top half of the league.
why?
Poorly worded on my part. It seems to be a statement of complacency. I'll say at times I still live in a 12 team paradigm so I want at least upper third in that world (which also is part of why I worded the comment so bad). I expect to be in the tournament every year with maybe 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 dropping by some oddity (like a ridic league where we get left out like Hug's year). I think 4th in this 10 team world is minimum. Now previously the Big12 hasn't had much room between 2 or 3 and 7 or 8 over the last few years, so one or two games will be critical. That means we win random road games at Tech, and probably WVU.
Funny, I assumed you thought that was too steep a goal for the Cats. I think averaging top 4-5 is right where expectations should be until proven that KSU can compete at a higher level — or :horrorsurprise: we fall so far that adjustments need to be made in the other direction.
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Regardless of how things are trending firing oscar at the end of the season doesn't seem realistic. That's not to say history isn't on those who want him gone ASAP's side.
Realistically, this year is a dive and either oscar turns it up next season of he's gonzo. That brings in a huge fear of oscar doing just enough to stay on the job, beginning a multi-year span of dancing between the NCAA and NIT bubbles. It's absolutely realistic to hope for the short-term worst, because they want long-term success.
But that's where the masses just can't come to grips with the fire-now sentiment. It's impossible for many people to think so pragmatically. I get the line of thought, but just can't pull myself to root for the worst, even though I fear the best might not be very good at all.
It's almost like so many political arguments we see today where one side just will not accept the other's viewpoint and vice versa.
I really like this post, it hits on my fear of oscar's very low ceiling roller coaster and the division in the fanbase he has created. To continue the political comparo I have great hope that Brad could be the consensus builder we need.
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Regardless of how things are trending firing oscar at the end of the season doesn't seem realistic. That's not to say history isn't on those who want him gone ASAP's side.
Realistically, this year is a dive and either oscar turns it up next season of he's gonzo. That brings in a huge fear of oscar doing just enough to stay on the job, beginning a multi-year span of dancing between the NCAA and NIT bubbles. It's absolutely realistic to hope for the short-term worst, because they want long-term success.
But that's where the masses just can't come to grips with the fire-now sentiment. It's impossible for many people to think so pragmatically. I get the line of thought, but just can't pull myself to root for the worst, even though I fear the best might not be very good at all.
It's almost like so many political arguments we see today where one side just will not accept the other's viewpoint and vice versa.
You have to finish in the top half of the league most years. You can get pass on bad years with great years. Finishing in the top half every year is stupid of you don't have great years. I want great years more than anything. oscar in the next two years has to have another great year or eff him. If he has another bad year next year eff him. That is where he stands, IMO.
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In all seriousness, we should give oscar a lifetime contract if we don't fire him after this season.
The man's been a college basketball head coach for 17 seasons -what could we possibly learn about oscar next season that we don't already know? What on Earth does one more season give us? With a lifetime contract, everyone, especially recruits, knows what they'll be getting into. "Win next season or get fired" ultimatums basically mean you're already fired, and everyone in the world, especially recruits, knows it.
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I'm done calling for oscar to be fired. Still gonna mock him, but just as a way of mocking what an absurd choice he was. But he didn't torpedo ksu hoops. As catbreader might say, he's just the known AIDS that the administration willingly ejaculated into ksu hoops. I've learned to appreciate emaw basketball for its comedic value, and that's just how it's going to be until there's a good basketball coach-pick'r in place. Whatever bad things come of oscar coaching can just keep on happening to Currie. At least there's bacon and cookies for him to snack on.
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I'm done calling for oscar to be fired. Still gonna mock him, but just as a way of mocking what an absurd choice he was. But he didn't torpedo ksu hoops. As catbreader might say, he's just the known AIDS that the administration willingly ejaculated into ksu hoops. I've learned to appreciate emaw basketball for its comedic value, and that's just how it's going to be until there's a good basketball coach-pick'r in place. Whatever bad things come of oscar coaching can just keep on happening to Currie. At least there's bacon and cookies for him to snack on.
I can't and don't want to quit cat hoops but totally agree that the odds of the current coach-pick'r making a better hire than oscar is low. This fact is just one more reason for #bringbradhome
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I applaud your commitment to excellence.
Would be interested in a list of programs that have made it to the NCAA and the S16 75% of the time over the past 10 years.
Not KU, UK, UNC, Duke or UL. Yard Dog is a liar though.
I went ahead and actually crunched the numbers. The following stats are for the NCAA tournaments from 2004 - 2014.
Over the course of those ten years there have been 74 different teams in the Sweet 16. Of those 74, only 18 have an appearance % of 40% or above.
Sweet 16 appearance % (2004-2014)
40%
Syracuse
Washington
Villanova
Memphis
UCLA
Tennessee
50%
Xavier
UCONN
Arizona
Louisville
West Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Florida
Ohio State
60%
Oddly no one made it exactly 6 out of 10 times.
70%
KU
Duke
Michigan State
So perhaps my idealism of 75% was a little too high. But a 50-60% appearance rate doesn't seem all that unreasonable as a goal for an elite program.
2004-05 to 2013-14 is ten seasons worth of college basketball. The last ten. The first team I looked at, Duke, went 6 times. The second team, UNC, also 6. The third, KU, 6. Then I stopped because you're a rough ridin' idiot.
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I'm done calling for oscar to be fired. Still gonna mock him, but just as a way of mocking what an absurd choice he was. But he didn't torpedo ksu hoops. As catbreader might say, he's just the known AIDS that the administration willingly ejaculated into ksu hoops. I've learned to appreciate emaw basketball for its comedic value, and that's just how it's going to be until there's a good basketball coach-pick'r in place. Whatever bad things come of oscar coaching can just keep on happening to Currie. At least there's bacon and cookies for him to snack on.
I can't and don't want to quit cat hoops but totally agree that the odds of the current coach-pick'r making a better hire than oscar is low. This fact is just one more reason for #bringbradhome
You don't have to quit cat hoops, but you can watch and enjoy it from a different perspective.
I'm still confident Brad won't work for Currie.
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Regardless of how things are trending firing oscar at the end of the season doesn't seem realistic. That's not to say history isn't on those who want him gone ASAP's side.
Realistically, this year is a dive and either oscar turns it up next season of he's gonzo. That brings in a huge fear of oscar doing just enough to stay on the job, beginning a multi-year span of dancing between the NCAA and NIT bubbles. It's absolutely realistic to hope for the short-term worst, because they want long-term success.
But that's where the masses just can't come to grips with the fire-now sentiment. It's impossible for many people to think so pragmatically. I get the line of thought, but just can't pull myself to root for the worst, even though I fear the best might not be very good at all.
It's almost like so many political arguments we see today where one side just will not accept the other's viewpoint and vice versa.
You have to finish in the top half of the league most years. You can get pass on bad years with great years. Finishing in the top half every year is stupid of you don't have great years. I want great years more than anything. oscar in the next two years has to have another great year or eff him. If he has another bad year next year eff him. That is where he stands, IMO.
Eh you'll find a way to lower the bar for a "bad year", guys like you always will. There will be some excuse, some rationalization, something beyond poor oscar's control that will make you say: "maybe next year the stars will align just right!". I mean if he finishes just barely above .500 next year in conference and maybe squeaks into the NIT you will claim that is a not a "bad year". The definition of a "bad year" will slowly slide into lower and lower so "being competitive" and "good hustle" against KU will be enough.
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I'm done calling for oscar to be fired. Still gonna mock him, but just as a way of mocking what an absurd choice he was. But he didn't torpedo ksu hoops. As catbreader might say, he's just the known AIDS that the administration willingly ejaculated into ksu hoops. I've learned to appreciate emaw basketball for its comedic value, and that's just how it's going to be until there's a good basketball coach-pick'r in place. Whatever bad things come of oscar coaching can just keep on happening to Currie. At least there's bacon and cookies for him to snack on.
I can't and don't want to quit cat hoops but totally agree that the odds of the current coach-pick'r making a better hire than oscar is low. This fact is just one more reason for #bringbradhome
You don't have to quit cat hoops, but you can watch and enjoy it from a different perspective.
I'm still confident Brad won't work for Currie.
If he is still at SFA making $400k is he really going to say no to doubling his salary at his alma mater? I could see him not leaving if he has just taken a low level SEC job or something but he likely has to win at a AAC type job first anyway.
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he has had really good years and really poor years. more than anything, he is a high variance coach.
in the last 14 seasons, across three different schools, oscar's teams have been rated:
SIU - 49th, 57th
Illinois - 13th, 1st, 10th, 39th, 51st, 23rd, 56th, 19th, 82nd
KSU - 21st, 43rd, 89th (in progress)
so, this is basically as bad as it gets for a oscar-coached team. this year's team is rated worse than the '11 team that quit on him, and that's only because he's without the team's best player. it probably won't get any worse going forward. oscar will consistently field competitive teams that are likely to be comfortably inside the bubble or directly on it.
he's not going to do more with less. he's unlikely to do less with more. he's just going to be average.
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I'm done calling for oscar to be fired. Still gonna mock him, but just as a way of mocking what an absurd choice he was. But he didn't torpedo ksu hoops. As catbreader might say, he's just the known AIDS that the administration willingly ejaculated into ksu hoops. I've learned to appreciate emaw basketball for its comedic value, and that's just how it's going to be until there's a good basketball coach-pick'r in place. Whatever bad things come of oscar coaching can just keep on happening to Currie. At least there's bacon and cookies for him to snack on.
dude, know what you are. you're illinois. you're not appreciably better than northwestern in football, and your hoops isn't - and never has been - a national powerhouse. your best year came with weber at the helm. now he's gone. deal with it.
your new coach wouldn't have been hired if he didn't win a pair of games in the tournament. he will fail, and fail miserably, and you weird illinois fans with your stupid, highly overrated orange crush student section will be sobbing for weber and wishing he'd come back to champaign to eat your chicken nuggets and mow your lawns and pick up your dry cleaning.
so please, take your former racist mascot chief illinigook, your disloyal athletic director, your ugly fans and your papa del's pizza and go away. i think jim croce or john grossi or jim crocket or (whoever) is about to reel in a big 2-star forward to add to his top 200 recruiting class which will combine with your weak-minded, undisciplined loser players.
have fun in the CBI.
I understand you're angry. Your basketball program recently caught gonorrhea. Now not only does it burn when you pee and you have this discharge, but people are actually trying to sell you on gonorrhea, telling you you were fortunate to catch it when you did. Then these people show up who had it for years, but were recently cured and you hate them for it. You want not to have gonorrhea like them, but you know you're going to have it for years and it's just going to go right on burning and dripping. Worse you find yourself accepting your gonorrhea and pointing out its positives, but not so deep down you hate yourself for it. You're gonna pull through, it's just going to be very unpleasant. Welcome to your life with gonorrhea.
:gocho:
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dude, know what you are. you're illinois. you're not appreciably better than northwestern in football, and your hoops isn't - and never has been - a national powerhouse. your best year came with weber at the helm. now he's gone. deal with it.
your new coach wouldn't have been hired if he didn't win a pair of games in the tournament. he will fail, and fail miserably, and you weird illinois fans with your stupid, highly overrated orange crush student section will be sobbing for weber and wishing he'd come back to champaign to eat your chicken nuggets and mow your lawns and pick up your dry cleaning.
so please, take your former racist mascot chief illinigook, your disloyal athletic director, your ugly fans and your papa del's pizza and go away. i think jim croce or john grossi or jim crocket or (whoever) is about to reel in a big 2-star forward to add to his top 200 recruiting class which will combine with your weak-minded, undisciplined loser players.
have fun in the CBI.
wtf? i don't remember typing that at all. :frown:
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he has had really good years and really poor years. more than anything, he is a high variance coach.
in the last 14 seasons, across three different schools, oscar's teams have been rated:
SIU - 49th, 57th
Illinois - 13th, 1st, 10th, 39th, 51st, 23rd, 56th, 19th, 82nd
KSU - 21st, 43rd, 89th (in progress)
so, this is basically as bad as it gets for a oscar-coached team. this year's team is rated worse than the '11 team that quit on him, and that's only because he's without the team's best player. it probably won't get any worse going forward. oscar will consistently field competitive teams that are likely to be comfortably inside the bubble or directly on it.
he's not going to do more with less. he's unlikely to do less with more. he's just going to be average.
Wrong side of the bubble. Half of the last eight seasons even with the Frank booster seat. One NCAA win. It's super exciting because every possession turns into an event. Walk that razor's edge, cat fans! :emawkid:
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:gocho:
:lol:
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These people, these rough ridin' people...
http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/contributors/ (http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/contributors/)
Looking at that site and listening to their podcast for the first time. Sometimes I forget exactly who we are guys.
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cf3 had me stay in the car when he approached tuckfano in the parking lot after the oregon fiesta bowl
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cf3 had me stay in the car when he approached tuckfano in the parking lot after the oregon fiesta bowl
it was for your own safety.
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i didn't fully understand it at the time, but thank you
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Regardless of how things are trending firing oscar at the end of the season doesn't seem realistic. That's not to say history isn't on those who want him gone ASAP's side.
Realistically, this year is a dive and either oscar turns it up next season of he's gonzo. That brings in a huge fear of oscar doing just enough to stay on the job, beginning a multi-year span of dancing between the NCAA and NIT bubbles. It's absolutely realistic to hope for the short-term worst, because they want long-term success.
But that's where the masses just can't come to grips with the fire-now sentiment. It's impossible for many people to think so pragmatically. I get the line of thought, but just can't pull myself to root for the worst, even though I fear the best might not be very good at all.
It's almost like so many political arguments we see today where one side just will not accept the other's viewpoint and vice versa.
You have to finish in the top half of the league most years. You can get pass on bad years with great years. Finishing in the top half every year is stupid of you don't have great years. I want great years more than anything. oscar in the next two years has to have another great year or eff him. If he has another bad year next year eff him. That is where he stands, IMO.
Eh you'll find a way to lower the bar for a "bad year", guys like you always will. There will be some excuse, some rationalization, something beyond poor oscar's control that will make you say: "maybe next year the stars will align just right!". I mean if he finishes just barely above .500 next year in conference and maybe squeaks into the NIT you will claim that is a not a "bad year". The definition of a "bad year" will slowly slide into lower and lower so "being competitive" and "good hustle" against KU will be enough.
Nope.
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I'm done calling for oscar to be fired. Still gonna mock him, but just as a way of mocking what an absurd choice he was. But he didn't torpedo ksu hoops. As catbreader might say, he's just the known AIDS that the administration willingly ejaculated into ksu hoops. I've learned to appreciate emaw basketball for its comedic value, and that's just how it's going to be until there's a good basketball coach-pick'r in place. Whatever bad things come of oscar coaching can just keep on happening to Currie. At least there's bacon and cookies for him to snack on.
Literally just spit coffee on my computer monitor. cross post this to funny things in your office for my staff.
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Still going strong, who recruited these guys doe? :dubious:
http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/wildcat-formation-right-way-edition/ (http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/wildcat-formation-right-way-edition/)
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Still going strong, who recruited these guys doe? :dubious:
http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/wildcat-formation-right-way-edition/ (http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/wildcat-formation-right-way-edition/)
What the heck kind of fantasy world do these guys come from?
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more like Not_A_REAL_ksu_FAN
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I'm not clicking on any more of that guy's links
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more like Not_A_REAL_ksu_FAN
I mean, when the guy said "Mike used facts" in his argument, then he makes some ambiguous argument about winning the "right way"? Also, I'm glad I missed the first "open letter" one. I have no idea how you can form any of those opinions on college sports, let alone the current state of K-State basketball. Its really unbelievable.
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I could be wrong, but I think those guys litterally do their podcasts in one of their mothers basements. B+ source
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more like Not_A_REAL_ksu_FAN
I mean, when the guy said "Mike used facts" in his argument, then he makes some ambiguous argument about winning the "right way"? Also, I'm glad I missed the first "open letter" one. I have no idea how you can form any of those opinions on college sports, let alone the current state of K-State basketball. Its really unbelievable.
thats the majority of our fan base in a nutshell
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Kellis "Not a real beat writer" Robinett
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10066520.html
But this Weber comment struck me after the West Virginia loss: “We finally got over the hump and took the lead. I was just hoping and praying that some good things would happen.”
That statement does not show much confidence, and it seemed to rub off on players.
Here is what Nigel Johnson said about the final minutes against West Virginia: “We fought hard. I guess that is all we could do. I wish we could have pulled it out. It’s whoever gets lucky, I guess.”
Overall, he was pretty reasonable in his little blog though.
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810 kept playing the clip of oscar bitching about OU being off since Monday going into this weekends game and I literally almost lost control of my car in rage.
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Hell, even D Scott is seeing the writing on the wall. Not sure what kind of bizarro world these salute clowns are coming from.
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They think they are being loyal. In a world where coaches don't stick around most places long, the thought of some immediate loyalty is crazy. I mean, give me 4-5yrs and I can see that taking shape. Give me 2 yrs, and most any coach needs to put up or shut up.
They hold that undue loyalty as far up as they can and use it as proof that they are a better fan. Their loyalty, in such cases, isn't toward KSU, though, it's toward a coach(see beginning of this post). It's all so very weird. Rather than being loyal to the university and expecting it's representative represent it in such a way to make them proud, they scratch and claw to find something they can use as an excuse to be proud of the coach that they are shoving their undue loyalty at. It's boggling.
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I honestly don't give a crap about his lack of confidence or whining about scheduling or jet lag. If anything it makes me want to keep him around. Those kenpom numbers, though....
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Can you imagine the shake up in the college basketball coaching word if we *did* let oscar go? Oh man! The domino effect would be amazing! Shock waves. Which big time program do you think would snap him up first? Louisiana Tech? Eastern Illinois? They might even fire their coach to get him! Oh but if we are lucky maybe Mark Fox will ripe for us to go grab!
While Mike Davis was busy beating the crap out of oscar's team this year at Texas Southern, you know he had to be pissed off that that none of the P5 schools picked him up after Indiana
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Those kenpom numbers, though....
Yeah, this.
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Those kenpom numbers, though....
Yeah, this.
This team doesn't deserve to be summed up mathematically, too inconstant. Team is a mess. Trying to judge their quality is pointless.
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Those kenpom numbers, though....
Yeah, this.
This team doesn't deserve to be summed up mathematically, too inconstant. Team is a mess. Trying to judge their quality is pointless.
you don't even have to try. they're obviously shitty.
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Those kenpom numbers, though....
Yeah, this.
This team doesn't deserve to be summed up mathematically, too inconstant. Team is a mess. Trying to judge their quality is pointless.
Inconsistency is part of the deal. IMO the subjective can only be informed with objective information. Otherwise I might as well be posting on that Salute thing.
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In reality, this team had one decent stretch and has been pretty consistently shitty otherwise.
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Those kenpom numbers, though....
Yeah, this.
This team doesn't deserve to be summed up mathematically, too inconstant. Team is a mess. Trying to judge their quality is pointless.
Inconsistency is part of the deal. IMO the subjective can only be informed with objective information. Otherwise I might as well be posting on that Salute thing.
I just iNtuited that that's not true.
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In reality, this team had one decent stretch and has been pretty consistently shitty otherwise.
Yeah, and we've played 1,584 possessions of basketball this season. Its more than plenty to judge on mathematically.
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I applaud your commitment to excellence.
Would be interested in a list of programs that have made it to the NCAA and the S16 75% of the time over the past 10 years.
Not KU, UK, UNC, Duke or UL. Yard Dog is a liar though.
I went ahead and actually crunched the numbers. The following stats are for the NCAA tournaments from 2004 - 2014.
Over the course of those ten years there have been 74 different teams in the Sweet 16. Of those 74, only 18 have an appearance % of 40% or above.
Sweet 16 appearance % (2004-2014)
40%
Syracuse
Washington
Villanova
Memphis
UCLA
Tennessee
50%
Xavier
UCONN
Arizona
Louisville
West Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Florida
Ohio State
60%
Oddly no one made it exactly 6 out of 10 times.
70%
KU
Duke
Michigan State
So perhaps my idealism of 75% was a little too high. But a 50-60% appearance rate doesn't seem all that unreasonable as a goal for an elite program.
2004-05 to 2013-14 is ten seasons worth of college basketball. The last ten. The first team I looked at, Duke, went 6 times. The second team, UNC, also 6. The third, KU, 6. Then I stopped because you're a rough ridin' idiot.
Good thing you broke that down. I did the 2004 tournament through the 2014 tournament to get the numbers I got. You are a rough riding idiot for being so Go Ram picky and ignorant.
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that last auto correct made reading all of that worth it
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Still going strong, who recruited these guys doe? :dubious:
http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/wildcat-formation-right-way-edition/ (http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/wildcat-formation-right-way-edition/)
What the heck kind of fantasy world do these guys come from?
Couldn't make it through one paragraph of the open letter. Cringe-worthy. The "right way" article was ridiculous as well.
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Add Bob Lutz to the crowd who's now openly questioned the status of KSU bball under oscar (Weber, not Haertl). He spent about a segment's worth on it Wednesday, specifically mentioning Underwood as well.
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Add Bob Lutz to the crowd who's now openly questioned the status of KSU bball under oscar (Weber, not Haertl). He spent about a segment's worth on it Wednesday, specifically mentioning Underwood as well.
Poisonous thoughts from goEMAW are infecting Lutz. Where will it end?
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I applaud your commitment to excellence.
Would be interested in a list of programs that have made it to the NCAA and the S16 75% of the time over the past 10 years.
Not KU, UK, UNC, Duke or UL. Yard Dog is a liar though.
I went ahead and actually crunched the numbers. The following stats are for the NCAA tournaments from 2004 - 2014.
Over the course of those ten years there have been 74 different teams in the Sweet 16. Of those 74, only 18 have an appearance % of 40% or above.
Sweet 16 appearance % (2004-2014)
40%
Syracuse
Washington
Villanova
Memphis
UCLA
Tennessee
50%
Xavier
UCONN
Arizona
Louisville
West Virginia
North Carolina
Kentucky
Florida
Ohio State
60%
Oddly no one made it exactly 6 out of 10 times.
70%
KU
Duke
Michigan State
So perhaps my idealism of 75% was a little too high. But a 50-60% appearance rate doesn't seem all that unreasonable as a goal for an elite program.
2004-05 to 2013-14 is ten seasons worth of college basketball. The last ten. The first team I looked at, Duke, went 6 times. The second team, UNC, also 6. The third, KU, 6. Then I stopped because you're a rough ridin' idiot.
Good thing you broke that down. I did the 2004 tournament through the 2014 tournament to get the numbers I got. You are a rough riding idiot for being so Go Ram picky and ignorant.
Yeah, you used 11 years and calculated your numbers as if you used 10.
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:lol:
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that's our yard dog!
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I caught Yard Dog's error earlier but was too lazy to call him out on it (had nothing to do with the fact that he credited KU with an extra S16). Just wanted to put it out there that I saw it first.
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I missed the count when I did it admittedly. ( I was all dumb like, 14 minus 10 is 4 durrr, that must be ten years durrr. . my bad) Even if you eliminate that first year, the standard is set. 50-60% sweet 16 appearance rate per 10 years is elite. That is what I expect from our program. If our staff can't do that, get a new staff who can.
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Personally I think that getting to the Sweet Sixteen 50% of the time is probably too aggressive of expectations.
Since oscar hasn't made it to the Sweet Sixteen since 2005 it is a moot point. :impatient:
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Everyone except yard dog and people jokingly commenting on yard dog posts shut up
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someone take a screenshot of the GPC front page right now so that we can all remember that time Fitz put a pot reference as the title for a story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC9cgvtkRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC9cgvtkRs)
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Have you noticed that they have started using the crazy pictures of oscar.
GoPowerCat really is getting on board with #Burnitdown.
(https://ct.yimg.com/mr/uploads/889/1378787.gif)
(https://ct.yimg.com/mr/uploads/889/1633852.gif)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShl41TKP_-WlMIiSRdzQCDYGGlpIBu0yxrU3J8vJyu7MDxwHr9)
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I have not noticed because I don't read that website
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i just want to clarify that i don't care that Fitz uses "Got 5 on it" as a story title (J-Mart used the exact same reference on the K-Stated blog), but i think it's funny because:
A. I'm not convinced Fitz really knows what that phrase references, and
B. Probably less than 10% of wabash understands the reference.
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Treysolid, you are tre solid as a message boarder. I like you and always have.
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i just want to clarify that i don't care that Fitz uses "Got 5 on it" as a story title (J-Mart used the exact same reference on the K-Stated blog), but i think it's funny because:
A. I'm not convinced Fitz really knows what that phrase references, and
B. Probably less than 10% of wabash understands the reference.
I think it's Bart Ray Gun that selected the headline.
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Any word on what Foster and Malek were suspended for yet? Perhaps a thinly veiled reference to the guys getting caught blowing Js. Maybe even a subtle jab to the NCAA for keeping stud basketball players who make K-State tons of money, so poor that they can only afford to go quarters on $20 bags of skunk weed.
Probably not to all that tho.
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I wonder how often Fitz tries to call a girl bae?
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I caught Yard Dog's error earlier but was too lazy to call him out on it (had nothing to do with the fact that he credited KU with an extra S16). Just wanted to put it out there that I saw it first.
Very INTP of you imo :cheers:
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INTP would have called that crap out immediately. Just like this.
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:Carl:
Mike Tufano Mod dcchiefcat • 39 minutes ago
It's not a matter of right and wrong. That's where the "discussion" has been derailed. There is no decision that will be made this year. oscar Weber will be the coach next year, and every K-State fan should desire success as a result. Unlike some fans, my purpose is not to prove whether or not I'm right, but what's best for K-State. If, for example, I disagree with the next football hire, I'll absolutely want to be proven wrong. Those who desire and delight in negative results to prove their point are not fans of K-State, but of themselves.
MSLH and myself's new neighbor!!!
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(Didn't know where to put this)
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fighting you thread?
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Oh my.
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Confusing followers and fans again.
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'grats on locking this down, meister.
https://twitter.com/RealMikeT/status/674277118637973505