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Title: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: fun muffin on January 02, 2015, 10:13:23 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: PowercatPat on January 02, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
Our offense will be.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2015, 10:17:03 PM
Guess what tho, no Jake Waters :excited:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
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Seriously? ???
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
Coulda had a senior Sams
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2015, 10:20:47 PM
One man to rule them all
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2015, 10:23:03 PM
Get that crap out of here

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Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
The man's hands make the football look like a novelty. Super stallion stud
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Tobias on January 02, 2015, 10:24:44 PM

Get that crap out of here

and in the darkness bind them
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
I like to look at that picture and pretend the football isn't there but pretend Hubes is scorpion from mortal combat, and I scream "get over here"
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on January 02, 2015, 10:40:10 PM
Where is the "what if Hubener is a stud" thread?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Pete on January 02, 2015, 10:46:27 PM
3-4 win season
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Post by: bones129 on January 02, 2015, 10:48:21 PM
3-4 win season

That bad?
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Post by: puniraptor on January 02, 2015, 11:02:07 PM
We will have an awesome kicker
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: AST on January 02, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
Get that crap out of here

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that is a freakish arm.  and by freakish i mean freakish. 

freakish.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: AST on January 02, 2015, 11:04:57 PM
did i mention freakish arm?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Katpappy on January 02, 2015, 11:06:46 PM
did i mention freakish arm?
Not as hairy as the one I seen tonight.  :dubious:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: AST on January 02, 2015, 11:08:26 PM
did i mention freakish arm?
Not as hairy as the one I seen tonight.  :dubious:

i obviously meant athletically freakish not survive a blizzard naked freakish, duh
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: The Big Train on January 02, 2015, 11:50:04 PM
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Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: _33 on January 02, 2015, 11:51:55 PM
At least I have one more year of saying things like "Sams would have scored on that play" or "We would have won that game with Sams" or "Good thing we got rid of Sams"  (Sarcastically after a bad play by the QB)
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: CHONGS on January 02, 2015, 11:56:46 PM
What if he has a too slow delivery? :ohno:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: _33 on January 03, 2015, 12:00:22 AM
At least I have one more year of saying things like "Sams would have scored on that play" or "We would have won that game with Sams" or "Good thing we got rid of Sams"  (Sarcastically after a bad play by the QB)

Then my wife would say something like "omg let it go" and I would say "How dare you".
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2015, 12:02:22 AM
How dare she
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: nicname on January 03, 2015, 12:04:43 AM
Coulda had a senior Sams


It would have been great if he hadn't quit.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: ELL3 on January 03, 2015, 01:02:34 AM
3-0 non con
Beat KU, ISU, WVU, TT,
Lose BU, TCU
50-50 OSU, OU, TX

8-4 or 9-3
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: everyone shut up on January 03, 2015, 01:35:52 AM
3-0 non con
Beat KU, ISU, WVU, TT,
Lose BU, TCU
50-50 OSU, OU, TX

8-4 or 9-3
beat the non con and KU, ISU, TT.  6-6 for the cats. it will be sad.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2015, 01:37:50 AM
 D will be good. Judah Jones will be a stud. We'll be solid
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: bones129 on January 03, 2015, 01:38:31 AM
Hoping for 7-5. Hoping.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on January 03, 2015, 01:45:10 AM
I would almost guarantee 8-4 but 9-3 isa real possibility depending on how much Oklahoma State improves.  Anything less than 7 wins is stupid to assume.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 03, 2015, 01:54:53 AM
I think it'd be funny if goEMAW went all in on Hound Dog because we always hate white players and it'd be funny if we all loved the least proven white player (considering how important he is to our success next year) in all of K-State history.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Headinjun on January 03, 2015, 02:02:52 AM
Isn't Sproles 2.0 on redshirt?

What if Huebs is Klein 2.0?

What if the young D grows?

Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 03, 2015, 05:20:11 AM
Not a single proven, legitimate playmaker on offense.

Worst wide receiving corps in 20+ years under Snyder.  Who is Bazooka Joe supposed to throw to?

Stroles 2.0 wasn't good enough to beat out two running backs this year that wouldn't start for 90% of the P5 teams in the country, but is supposed to be the savior next season.

The O-Line is still talent deficient and thin.

The defense is still coached by Tom Hayes.

Honestly, this team will be lucky to win 5-6 games.





Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2015, 08:31:20 AM
We will upgrade at QB
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: catzacker on January 03, 2015, 08:31:45 AM
Date Opponent
Sept. 5 South Dakota 
Sept. 12 at UTSA
Sept. 19 Louisiana Tech

Sept. 26 BYE
Oct. 3 at Oklahoma State*
Oct. 10 TCU*
Oct. 17 Oklahoma*
Oct. 24 at Texas*
Oct. 31 BYE
Nov. 5 Baylor*

Nov. 14 at Texas Tech*
Nov. 21 Iowa State*
Nov. 28 at Kansas*
Dec. 5 West Virginia*


bold - games we should win
italics - games, that, I mean, we have a chance to win
TCU - no rough ridin' chance

defensive line needs to get better, LB's need to get better.  More of a QB run game next year might lead to more of a run game in general (less completions in the passing game, but higher ypa maybe).

should win 7-9 games.
Title: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2015, 08:34:56 AM
OSU is going to whip our asses
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: catzacker on January 03, 2015, 08:40:19 AM
OSU is going to whip our asses

look at Bazooka Joe and say that to his face, SD.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: mocat on January 03, 2015, 08:43:11 AM
Since when do we hate white players, wtf s60
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

Since when do we hate white players, wtf s60

Yes, that was one of the stupidier s60 posts I've read
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: AppleJack on January 03, 2015, 09:05:48 AM
I hate white players.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: DQ12 on January 03, 2015, 09:17:56 AM
This board was all in on CCQ for some reason.  Irrationally so.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: PIPE on January 03, 2015, 09:52:54 AM
Not a single proven, legitimate playmaker on offense.

Worst wide receiving corps in 20+ years under Snyder.  Who is Bazooka Joe supposed to throw to?

Stroles 2.0 wasn't good enough to beat out two running backs this year that wouldn't start for 90% of the P5 teams in the country, but is supposed to be the savior next season.

The O-Line is still talent deficient and thin.

The defense is still coached by Tom Hayes.

Honestly, this team will be lucky to win 5-6 games.



What this guy just said ^^^^^

Hey, Kleinsgorgee and Hayes comes back, that's good for Hubes, right?  He likes laying on his back, right?

This frosh Rb likes making his own holes, right?

Somebody mentioned Judah Jones?  He played this year?  First time I saw him was last night......that 7 yard out route he caught was something else, must be special?

DB's will still play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage and Will Davis somehow for some reason will be starting at LB......that's all good, right?

Our offense will be down in some games, where time is crucial, and we will still look to the sideline for "advise" on what to do, as precious time tick tocks away, but it may put us in the right play, right???
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: SdK on January 03, 2015, 09:56:05 AM
Since when do we hate white players, wtf s60
got his sports mixed up. Klein.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: SdK on January 03, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
By the way, it's hard for me to see Klein on the sideline talking to Jake. Knowing how different this season would have gone if he were at the helm. But I also love seeing his stud face.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Panjandrum on January 03, 2015, 12:15:31 PM
Date Opponent
Sept. 5 South Dakota 
Sept. 12 at UTSA
Sept. 19 Louisiana Tech

Sept. 26 BYE
Oct. 3 at Oklahoma State*
Oct. 10 TCU*
Oct. 17 Oklahoma*
Oct. 24 at Texas*
Oct. 31 BYE
Nov. 5 Baylor*

Nov. 14 at Texas Tech*
Nov. 21 Iowa State*
Nov. 28 at Kansas*
Dec. 5 West Virginia*


bold - games we should win
italics - games, that, I mean, we have a chance to win
TCU - no rough ridin' chance

defensive line needs to get better, LB's need to get better.  More of a QB run game next year might lead to more of a run game in general (less completions in the passing game, but higher ypa maybe).

should win 7-9 games.

I haven't dug into next year yet, but I'm not bullish on being much better than WVU. They have been getting some good talent, and the backup QB has some potential.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
OSU is going to whip our asses

Oklahoma State is horrible, what in the world
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2015, 12:46:33 PM
Guys, we just spent 30 minutes dismantling the #14 team in the country. A 29-8 beat down. We're gonna be good, real good (for our conference).
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2015, 01:16:48 PM
Joe Hubener is going to take college football by storm in 2015. We probably finish 1 win shy of a Big 12 'ship.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
Joe Hubener is going to take college football by storm in 2015. We probably finish 1 win shy of a Big 12 'ship.

Not just zeal, but likely prophetic
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: troubledscribe on January 03, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
A Ron Prince team would beat this upcoming team.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: That_Guy on January 03, 2015, 07:26:48 PM

A Ron Prince team would beat this upcoming team.

No


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Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on January 03, 2015, 07:27:25 PM
A Ron Prince team would beat this upcoming team.

  :'bye cruel world:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Headinjun on January 04, 2015, 12:59:03 AM
Okay, now I'm scared!!
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: nicname on January 04, 2015, 02:52:07 AM
I'll ask you one question. Do you think Bazooka Joe is going to let Snyder retire before he reaches 200 wins?

201 for all the marbles.

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Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: bananaeater on January 04, 2015, 12:31:38 PM
Not a single proven, legitimate playmaker on offense.

Worst wide receiving corps in 20+ years under Snyder.  Who is Bazooka Joe supposed to throw to?

Stroles 2.0 wasn't good enough to beat out two running backs this year that wouldn't start for 90% of the P5 teams in the country, but is supposed to be the savior next season.

The O-Line is still talent deficient and thin.

The defense is still coached by Tom Hayes.

Honestly, this team will be lucky to win 5-6 games.

I'm a Tom Hayes fan.  Just going to put that out there. 

Worst (real) case scenario next year is 7-5.  If we think our talent and / or coaching sucks next year, look at some of the teams we're playing.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 04, 2015, 05:12:34 PM
I don't think their is a rational argument against Tom Hayes. He is really good at his job. For some reason people want us to run on defense like Oklahoma State who has a more talented players and a worse defense. There is an argument that certain position coaches are pulling their weight recruiting wise.   
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: purpyslurpy on January 04, 2015, 05:25:13 PM
Not a single proven, legitimate playmaker on offense.

Worst wide receiving corps in 20+ years under Snyder.  Who is Bazooka Joe supposed to throw to?

Stroles 2.0 wasn't good enough to beat out two running backs this year that wouldn't start for 90% of the P5 teams in the country, but is supposed to be the savior next season.

The O-Line is still talent deficient and thin.

The defense is still coached by Tom Hayes.

Honestly, this team will be lucky to win 5-6 games.

I'm a Tom Hayes fan.  Just going to put that out there. 

Worst (real) case scenario next year is 7-5.  If we think our talent and / or coaching sucks next year, look at some of the teams we're playing.
I feel like 7-5 is a very generous "worst case scenario". I see 5-7 being worst case, 7-5 realistic, 9-10 winning some games we shouldn't. Our defense should keep us from being terrible. The offense will likely keep us from being good(hope they surprise me).
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 04, 2015, 05:27:31 PM
Worrying about a LHC Bill Snyder offense isn't healthy.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2015, 05:43:42 PM
I don't think their is a rational argument against Tom Hayes. He is really good at his job. For some reason people want us to run on defense like Oklahoma State who has a more talented players and a worse defense. There is an argument that certain position coaches are pulling their weight recruiting wise.   

Recruiting is by far the most important thing Tom Hayes should be good at. 
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: purpyslurpy on January 04, 2015, 05:48:58 PM
Worrying about a LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense isn't healthy.
Well the offense was a problem this year. Completely one-dimensional with no run game. Cost us the Auburn game. Held BU and TCU below their season averages(still got brutalized), but the offense didn't come through. Removing the only thing this offense had--the passing game with Lockett, Waters, and Sexton--doesn't give me high hopes for them, but hopefully they surprise. We will need Hubener to channel Klein to give us a shot I think.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 04, 2015, 05:53:03 PM
I think it is unreasonable to think the Run game won't be vastly improved next year. A improved run game will also take pressure off the passing game. Think about it we were severely handicapped on offense but were good enough to finish 3rd in the conference with almost the hardest schedule possible.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: purpyslurpy on January 04, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
Well the run game can't be any worse, but I don't know how good it might be.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: DQ12 on January 04, 2015, 07:07:32 PM
Worrying about a LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense isn't healthy.
Well the offense was a problem this year.
Comparatively, the offense was better than the defense. As I said all season (and Mixed Nutz correctly pointed out), the offense did a pretty good job this year.

Offense: 6 YPP (30th Nationally; 5th in the Big XII); 1 Giveaway per game (10th nationally; 2nd in the Big XII); 0.49 points per play (16th nationally; 4th in the Big XII).

Defense did OK relative to the conference, but was pretty mediocre nationally:

Defense: 5.4 YPP (55th Nationally; 5th in the Bix XII); 1.7 Takeaways per game (56th nationally; 4th in the Big XII); 0.34 points per play (34th nationally; 4th in the Big XII).
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: purpyslurpy on January 04, 2015, 07:35:41 PM
Worrying about a LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense isn't healthy.
Well the offense was a problem this year.
Comparatively, the offense was better than the defense. As I said all season (and Mixed Nutz correctly pointed out), the offense did a pretty good job this year.

Offense: 6 YPP (30th Nationally; 5th in the Big XII); 1 Giveaway per game (10th nationally; 2nd in the Big XII); 0.49 points per play (16th nationally; 4th in the Big XII).

Defense did OK relative to the conference, but was pretty mediocre nationally:

Defense: 5.4 YPP (55th Nationally; 5th in the Bix XII); 1.7 Takeaways per game (56th nationally; 4th in the Big XII); 0.34 points per play (34th nationally; 4th in the Big XII).
When broken down, this is correct, but it doesn't really tell the true story. The reality is that both offense and defense were nothing amazing, but both were good. The offense aired it out great, but often had an inability to eat clock and struggled in short yardage situations. In several games the offense put the defense in bad situations, which doesn't help defensive stats. The defense at times did not help the offense, but it doesn't really affect it statistically.

Even saying that the offense was the absolute strength of this year's team, that does not mean anything good for next year. All the positives from the offense are graduating. The offensive stats were good due to Sexton, Lockett, and Waters. The O-Line was horrible this year. The RBs showed nothing this year. No other WR showed even the ability to run a route except Cook.

People always make improvements, but usually there is SOMETHING that gives us a little positive expectation. Losing Tramaine Thompson was disappointing, but Sexton had shown at least something that let us think he could step up. Judah Jones has really shown nothing since the spring game. Andre Davis has shown nothing at the D1 level to this point. Klein has been injured, but other than his name he truly hadn't shown much previously. Burton has shown nothing positive. West has shown very little, but he has been out there a little and has had his named mentioned at least. We know what we get in Charles Jones. I am not going to put my faith in to a small RS freshman in Warmack. I think he will contribute and be very good in the future, but I can't see him making a huge difference next year.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 04, 2015, 08:09:07 PM
This will be the worst WR corps in Snyder's 23 years.  Just abysmal recruiting.




Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 04, 2015, 08:24:40 PM
I won't write off Davis or Heath.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 04, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
We also (apparently) have a receiver named Steven West, #13. A guy I didn't realize existed until Jake threw an incomplete pass his direction during the bowl game and he was on TV.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 04, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
Just as a point of reference as we look at the top talent on Snyder's worst teams.  People really shouldn't dismiss how terrible our offensive talent is going to be next year.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey
 
2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Frankenklein on January 04, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
We also (apparently) have a receiver named Steven West, #13. A guy I didn't realize existed until Jake threw an incomplete pass his direction during the bowl game and he was on TV.
Looks like he had a catch against SFA.He's listed at 6 foot 198 but he didn't look that big on TV
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: purpyslurpy on January 04, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
Just as a point of reference as we look at the top talent on Snyder's worst teams.  People really shouldn't dismiss how terrible our offensive talent is going to be next year.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey
 
2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine
This is what worries me. Many are thinking "Snyder will figure something out. He always does". That is usually true, but what about our RB situation this year? We lost Hubert and had not seen anyone show that they MIGHT be the guy to step up. Many thought it would surely work itself out. It didn't ever work itself out. Now we lose our WRs without anyone showing they could potentially step up. I hope I am wrong and that some guys make huge strides forward, but I am not holding my breath.

Snyder often gets someone to step up that you didn't expect, but not always. The problem here is that none of our WRs has shown anything on the field(except Cook) and at this point we have no JUCO players coming in that could surprise us and be ready to play. A WR unit where Kody Cook is your #1 stud is not a unit that strikes fear in to the hearts of DBs.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: davegladow on January 05, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
CJones a year better, Warmack an upgrade over DRob in athleticism equalling more big plays, and Bazooka has shown he can tote it better than Jake.  The ground game will be significantly better, to the point that better teams won't be able to shut it down like they could this year's crew.*

* if the o-line is decent

Passing game is going to be an adventure.  Think Sams-led offense against Baylor/Ok St. etc. last year.

Should be fun.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 05, 2015, 01:56:22 PM
Maybe Bazooka Joe can throw it to himself?


Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: CNS on January 05, 2015, 02:28:48 PM
1950's football.  How many different ways can we run the ball next yr?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: stunted on January 05, 2015, 02:30:07 PM
Maybe Bazooka Joe can throw it to himself?

Can he run fast enough?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 05, 2015, 03:35:00 PM
Maybe Bazooka Joe can throw it to himself?

Can he run fast enough?

Yes.  He is an amazing runner.

Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: slobber on January 05, 2015, 06:57:57 PM
If it's gonna be bazooka joe, we need t-shirts. Branding must start now. We also need some inflatable bazookas.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 05, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
We also (apparently) have a receiver named Steven West, #13. A guy I didn't realize existed until Jake threw an incomplete pass his direction during the bowl game and he was on TV.

I was surprised he was on the field, then I was surprised that I knew who he was.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: kstatefan11 on January 05, 2015, 07:34:02 PM
Just as a point of reference as we look at the top talent on Snyder's worst teams.  People really shouldn't dismiss how terrible our offensive talent is going to be next year.

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2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey
 
2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine

This is a valid point. But all of those teams (including '01 with Dunn and soph Ell, a season that was an aberration wedged in between two 11-win campaigns) lacked a lot at the quarterback position. Granted, that could easily be the case next year, but not if the Bazooka has his way. Also, not many of those names with (NFL) next to them were considered sure-things early in their careers. Heath or Jones could easily be the next Figurs, etc.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on January 05, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
I won't write off Davis or Heath.


We also (apparently) have a receiver named Steven West, #13. A guy I didn't realize existed until Jake threw an incomplete pass his direction during the bowl game and he was on TV.

FWIW, both of these future EMAW studs are pretty studly in the EA SPORTS NCAA 14 game, at least the with the downloaded rosters that the LSU bros did for download.

Heath is especially good on deep routes.

 :Woot:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on January 05, 2015, 10:46:44 PM
Just as a point of reference as we look at the top talent on Snyder's worst teams.  People really shouldn't dismiss how terrible our offensive talent is going to be next year.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey
 
2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine

Thomas Clayton also played in the NFL.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: AbeFroman on January 06, 2015, 12:12:33 AM
Did he ever get in a game? I remember him being exclusively a practice squad player/weight room inspiration
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 06, 2015, 06:25:44 AM
Did he ever get in a game? I remember him being exclusively a practice squad player/weight room inspiration

Clayton?  Yeah.  Had over 200 carries for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: waks on January 06, 2015, 06:44:44 AM
Did he ever get in a game? I remember him being exclusively a practice squad player/weight room inspiration

Clayton?  Yeah.  Had over 200 carries for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs.
He's asking about Clayton in the NFL.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Missouriscribe on January 06, 2015, 07:58:54 AM
I won't write off Davis or Heath.


We also (apparently) have a receiver named Steven West, #13. A guy I didn't realize existed until Jake threw an incomplete pass his direction during the bowl game and he was on TV.

FWIW, both of these future EMAW studs are pretty studly in the EA SPORTS NCAA 14 game, at least the with the downloaded rosters that the LSU bros did for download.

Heath is especially good on deep routes.

 :Woot:
Do you have a link to that download ?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: nicname on January 06, 2015, 08:22:25 AM
Just as a point of reference as we look at the top talent on Snyder's worst teams.  People really shouldn't dismiss how terrible our offensive talent is going to be next year.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey
 
2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine

Thomas Clayton also played in the NFL.

and Josh Scoby.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 06, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Welp, looks like I better update the list.

Aaron Lockett was drafted.

Rock Cartwright has been has one of our most successful running backs to play in the league.

Scobey was a sixth round pick, played in the league for 6 seasons and made a pro-bowl as a kick returner.

Thomas Clayton was also a sixth round pick, played in the league for three years.

So basically, even in our most terrible years we have had at least two players with NFL talent at skill positions. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett (NFL)
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey (NFL)
Rock Cartwright (NFL)

2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton (NFL)

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton (NFL)
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Skipper44 on January 06, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
you really should add Rock Cartwright to the 2001 list, he had a better NFL career than everyone on this list save Sproles and Nelson.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: waks on January 06, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Aaron Lockett was drafted in the 7th round.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: kslim on January 06, 2015, 01:32:52 PM
whole lot of stupid in this thread, gE.magazine has went bat crap crazy
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2015, 01:42:11 PM
Not a single proven, legitimate playmaker on offense.

Worst wide receiving corps in 20+ years under Snyder.  Who is Bazooka Joe supposed to throw to?

Stroles 2.0 wasn't good enough to beat out two running backs this year that wouldn't start for 90% of the P5 teams in the country, but is supposed to be the savior next season.

The O-Line is still talent deficient and thin.

The defense is still coached by Tom Hayes.

Honestly, this team will be lucky to win 5-6 games.

Throw?  Have you seen the man's calves? What makes you think we're going to need to throw the ball?

I'm pretty nervous (though excited) about next year, but if nothing else we're set up to have a pretty solid D with a ball-control offense.  Will likely make for a lot of close games, which could get us anywhere from 6-6 to 9-3 I would say. Don't get me wrong, it could be a bad year, but I think the ceiling is quite a bit higher than you're giving Snyder and co. credit for.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on January 06, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
Welp, looks like I better update the list.

Aaron Lockett was drafted.

Rock Cartwright has been has one of our most successful running backs to play in the league.

Scobey was a sixth round pick, played in the league for 6 seasons and made a pro-bowl as a kick returner.

Thomas Clayton was also a sixth round pick, played in the league for three years.

So basically, even in our most terrible years we have had at least two players with NFL talent at skill positions. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2001 / 6-6
WR
Aaron Lockett (NFL)
Brandon Clark
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Josh Scobey (NFL)
Rock Cartwright (NFL)

2004 / 4-7
WR
Yamon Figers (NFL)
Jermaine Moreira
RB
Darren Sproles (NFL)
Thomas Clayton (NFL)

2005 / 5-6
WR
Jordy Nelson (NFL)
Yamon Figers (NFL)
RB
Thomas Clayton (NFL)
Carlos Alsup

2009 / 6-6
WR
Brandon Banks (NFL)
Tramaine Thompson
RB
Daniel Thomas (NFL)
Valentine

Here's some irrelevant information:  Brandon Banks currently plays for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and does the 'John Wall Dance' when he scores a touchdown.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
I always confuse Keithen Valentine and William Powell. I also always confuse Josh Scobey and Frank Murphy
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: GoodForAnother on January 06, 2015, 10:39:27 PM
We also (apparently) have a receiver named Steven West, #13. A guy I didn't realize existed until Jake threw an incomplete pass his direction during the bowl game and he was on TV.

This makes me feel a lot better. At the game my buddy and I had no idea who he was so we named him Peepyopee West.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: AbeFroman on January 07, 2015, 03:37:35 AM
Did he ever get in a game? I remember him being exclusively a practice squad player/weight room inspiration

Clayton?  Yeah.  Had over 200 carries for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs.
He's asking about Clayton in the NFL.

Turns out he was really really good for a couple preseasons. Regular season, not so much. But it's better than my career!
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 07, 2015, 04:14:16 AM
I always confuse Keithen Valentine and William Powell. I also always confuse Josh Scobey and Frank Murphy

Oh man, Frank Murphy was pretty great.  Makes me remember back in the DOD days when we were serious about trying to win a title and we'd get in there and really recruit the true all American JUCO studs, guys like Bishop, McDonald, Jeff Kelly, Q Morgan, before we decided to go the route of walkons and 5 heart Kansas farm boys.

Frank was pretty baller with his gold teeth.  I also like the fact that we gave him a car, again, back in the DOD when we really cared.  Dude was insanely fast, like legit 4.3, but ran upright and carried the ball awkwardly.  Laying out for that amazing catch that made it in Sports Illustratedwas also pretty cool at the time.

My God, we were stacked in 1998.  Dude was the JUCO player of the year and didn't even start.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1237%2F4722795486_139b7909d5_b.jpg&hash=3c06cdce3c01fb86aa91ec5d1398eb76c95cd695)
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: GONNATEAMKILLU on January 07, 2015, 08:31:47 AM
Stop it, you're going to make me cry
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on January 07, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
Man, we really cared about wining back in those days.  NFL talent coming out of our ears.  Getting put on probation by the NCAA for boosters buying BMW's for our players and everything.

Now we're debating how incredible our white walk-on QB is and how David West is going to pick up where Tyler Lockett left off.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2015, 11:54:54 AM
Man, we really cared about wining back in those days.  NFL talent coming out of our ears.  Getting put on probation by the NCAA for boosters buying BMW's for our players and everything.

Now we're debating how incredible our white walk-on QB is and how David West is going to pick up where Tyler Lockett left off.
:opcat:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fldermaus on January 07, 2015, 12:06:44 PM
I always confuse Keithen Valentine and William Powell. I also always confuse Josh Scobey and Frank Murphy

Oh man, Frank Murphy was pretty great.  Makes me remember back in the DOD days when we were serious about trying to win a title and we'd get in there and really recruit the true all American JUCO studs, guys like Bishop, McDonald, Jeff Kelly, Q Morgan, before we decided to go the route of walkons and 5 heart Kansas farm boys.

Frank was pretty baller with his gold teeth.  I also like the fact that we gave him a car, again, back in the DOD when we really cared.  Dude was insanely fast, like legit 4.3, but ran upright and carried the ball awkwardly.  Laying out for that amazing catch that made it in Sports Illustratedwas also pretty cool at the time.

My God, we were stacked in 1998.  Dude was the JUCO player of the year and didn't even start.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1237%2F4722795486_139b7909d5_b.jpg&hash=3c06cdce3c01fb86aa91ec5d1398eb76c95cd695)

Apparently Frank M lost the gold teeth and found Jesus.  Now a motivational speaker.  Thus goes the program.
http://www.frankdmurphy.com/ (http://www.frankdmurphy.com/)

Also this...  http://www.frankdmurphy.com/ (http://www.frankdmurphy.com/)
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on May 22, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Hey guys, how terrible are we going to be at the skill positions next year!?!

Judah Jones has now quit the team.

Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2015, 02:07:50 PM
 :frown:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Katpappy on May 22, 2015, 02:39:24 PM
Hey guys, how terrible are we going to be at the skill positions next year!?!

Judah Jones has now quit the team.
:frown:
Cheer up Wacky, there's still plenty to pick from.   

This is a Katdaddy Cheer Up message presentation.
  :cheers:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Functianalyst on May 23, 2015, 08:49:52 AM

Judah Jones has now quit the team.
Where are you getting this from?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: PowercatPat on May 23, 2015, 04:01:38 PM

Judah Jones has now quit the team.
Where are you getting this from?

I can confirm that he's gone as well.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: manpow5 on May 23, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
Maybe his parents are putting the band back together?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: CNS on May 23, 2015, 06:40:04 PM
Kstate football is hurting
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 23, 2015, 07:56:01 PM
Judah?
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: troubledscribe on May 23, 2015, 08:42:07 PM
Not a big deal.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wetwillie on May 23, 2015, 08:45:14 PM
No wonder clams left. Judah broke his heart.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: wabash909 on May 23, 2015, 08:58:23 PM
Not a big deal.

Agreed.  Wide receiver is such a dumb position.


Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: bucket on May 23, 2015, 10:38:15 PM
Sad. He could have been a great contributor.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: CNS on May 23, 2015, 10:44:18 PM
Joe Runs Every Down And Plays With Head Injuries
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: jtksu on May 24, 2015, 03:20:44 AM
Judah?

More like "who the?!"   Amirite?!
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Winters on May 24, 2015, 04:38:43 AM
"Judah MAN!" would have been so fun
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: Katpappy on May 24, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
"Judah MAN!" would have been so fun
:lol: :thumbs:
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: bucket on May 25, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
What good defense is going to be the least bit concerned about what we're going to roll out at the skill positions next season?

This team just has to get in the end zone 3-4 times a game to win.
Title: Re: We're going to be awful next year aren't we?
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2015, 02:51:56 PM
Hey guys, how terrible are we going to be at the skill positions next year!?!

Judah Jones has now quit the team.
nobody cares about him