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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: AppleJack on December 06, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
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What is this guys deal?
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He's a good person.
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He doesn't deserve good things, not even for a day
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He deserves to coach middle school girls.
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He's a multimillionaire.
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This would be the perfect time to hire a new guy.
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he needs to get one of those dry erase board things that you draw plays on. it looks almost like a clip board but you can draw in it, erase it, then draw again. a lot of times you will have an X for your guys and you draw arrows where you want your guys to run on the court. some of them even have a little court on them so you know exactly where on the court the drawings occur. my high school coaches had them. we used a purple marker because that was my schools main color. worked pretty well. thoughts?
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Did you guys win a lot with that dry erase clipboard? I mean, I am all for it if they work.
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he needs to get one of those dry erase board things that you draw plays on. it looks almost like a clip board but you can draw in it, erase it, then draw again. a lot of times you will have an X for your guys and you draw arrows where you want your guys to run on the court. some of them even have a little court on them so you know exactly where on the court the drawings occur. my high school coaches had them. we used a purple marker because that was my schools main color. worked pretty well. thoughts?
He has one of those. He is always frantically drawing x's on it with about 2 seconds left until the timeout is over, and then he erases all of the marks with his hands.
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We might not have won them all but I'm not sure we ever score less than 18 points in a half, either.
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I feel like if the right X'es were drawn on that board, we may have better luck scoring :dunno:
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Hurting the image og KSU BB.
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I mean, it would be nice if you could help clinch 'The Challenge,' but no biggie. We (the rest of the conference) will put you on our backs.
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We look really poorly coached and don't seem to be improving.
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I really hate that oscar shot, like, 20% in the first half.
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If we offered Pearl a shot, would he leave Auburn?
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I'm really surprised how much we suck. :dunno:
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I'm really surprised how much we suck. :dunno:
It's quite an accomplisment.
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He is doing the same thing he did at Illinois. Our lack of intensity and effort is atrocious.
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I'm confident LHC Bill Snyder, knowing nothing about basketball, could coach up this team better than oscar.
I mean, at least he would hold our players accountable.
Bad pass? Sit your ass on the bench.
Decided you didn't want to run back on defense? Sit your ass on the bench.
Didn't want to get dirty on the floor for a loose ball? Sit your ass on the bench.
Taking a shot you can't even make in practice? Sit your ass on the bench.
Smiling when you're down by 9 points. Sit your ass on the bench.
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I am pretty sure you have nailed it with the "smiling is the problem" angle.
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Player development does not appear to be a strong suit for coach weber.
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Player development does not appear to be a strong suit for coach weber.
What exactly is his strong suit at this point?
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Player development does not appear to be a strong suit for coach weber.
What exactly is his strong suit at this point?
He doesn't say bad words that you have to tell your children not to say.
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Did you guys win a lot with that dry erase clipboard? I mean, I am all for it if they work.
That's a bad idea.....he had one at Illinois.
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Our player development has appears just fine our recruiting appears just fine. oscar IS JUST A SLOW rough ridin' COACH. We look like crap early every year then it finally gets rolling in December. This year is specially frustrating because our defense has never looked this bad. Westicles can't stop the rough ridin' ball and we are clueless on ball screens. Hurt also needs to protect the rough ridin' paint.
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Why can't he win with his own recruits? He should just recruit recruits who he thinks some other coach would recruit and coach those guys.
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General request to out of town posters: pls keep all shitty mspaints to your home boards. Tia
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I'm becoming apathetic about basketball
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General request to out of town posters: pls keep all shitty mspaints to your home boards. Tia
Ummm no, more ms paints plz. Don't listen to this goblin.
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If we offered Pearl a shot, would he leave Auburn?
No. But I would gladly take steve henson at this point. Brad would be a homerun. If oscar is losing the team they literally just need someone there besides him. There is a reasonable amount of talent to work with, too. The effed up thing is if what I think is happening is really happening staying on one more year will knock the program back into pre huggins. The 2012 conference title was not worth it.
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If we offered Pearl a shot, would he leave Auburn?
No. But I would gladly take steve henson at this point. Brad would be a homerun. If oscar is losing the team they literally just need someone there besides him. There is a reasonable amount of talent to work with, too. The effed up thing is if what I think is happening is really happening staying on one more year will knock the program back into pre huggins. The 2012 conference title was not worth it.
Wildly optimistic that two bad seasons would unseat oscar. No, it's going to be slower and more painful than that. He'll probably halfass salvage a season along the way, giving him another couple of years. Just like Illinois.
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I'm very proud of gE for being on top of oscar-Con 2.0. Sadly, the rest of EMAW Nation is not/will not be. There may be a lot of ambivalence in your bball future :frown:
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Edit:
The 2012 conference title will not be worth it.
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If you don't think the future is going to be bright you deserve to have your BBIQ and eyes removed, dear god.
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Just pillowly soft people.
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idk AJ but he is a pretty big rough ridin' loser and I wish he would do better
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I'm becoming apathetic about basketball
That would be Stage 5 of Weberball
The Multiple Stages a Fan Will Go Through During a oscar Weber Era
Stage 1. DISAPPOINTMENT
This generally occurs at the moment the news of his hiring is released to the media by the schools Athletic Department. There will be a lot of disappointment for the fan base during the Weber Era. However, disappointment at this stage is more attributed to finding out that your school was unable to land any one else and had to settle for oscar.
Stage 2. ACCEPTANCE
After hearing all of the pumping by the local media, AD, etc. that this is a great hire, a Weber team fan base will eventually accept him as their coach. Acceptance at this stage still comes with a level of uncertainty, but the fan base is generally willing to give the guy a chance based on his experience.
Stage 3. EXCITEMENT
The fan base will soon realize that oscar Weber has an uncanny ability to win games and achieve a high level of success in his first couple of seasons at the new program. This guy is fantastic at coaching other coaches players. At this stage, those fans who may have been unsure of the hire become bandwagon oscar fans. All is good with the program and everyone is happy. There is likely some big wins during this stage, including conference championships and deep runs in the NCAA Tournament. This stage (for the majority of the fan base) generally peaks out after year 2.
Stage 4. CONCERN
It is typically in Year 3 where serious concern begins to occur within the fan base of a Weber coached team. Significant changes begin to occur with the team internally. Transfers of key players, low ranking recruiting classes, poor behavior by players outside of the program, embarrassing losses to lower level teams, etc. This stage can last up to 3 years, with many fans still holding on to hope based on oscar's early success and the fact that he runs a clean program. However, a large faction of the fan base begins to change their opinion of oscar Weber due to all of the negative signs of a declining program. This is where a serious divide occurs within the fan base (See- WFF {Weber First Fans} vs Weber Haters) which results movement to Stage 5.
Stage 5. APATHY
This stage is the result of continuous heartbreak for the fan base. Poor recruiting, continual "bubble" situations each year in March (See "Why do they call oscar Weber "Bubbles"?") This can start at different times for different fans. For realist fans, this typically starts in year 4 or 5. During this stage, there will be significant attendance issues for home games. A lot of fans will actually forget that there was even a game until the next day when they happen to hear the score on the radio driving to work. This is a sad time for fans. You begin to question your loyalty to the school you love. The administration begins to take a lot of heat for allowing the unsatisfactory results to continue. The divide between the fan base gets even stronger. The message boards become a voice for the frustrated fans to express their anger. The WFF population begins to get quiet, as the results no longer support their meme.
Stage 6. HAPPINESS
Luckily, AD's typically change every 6-8 years. It is this change that will prompt the change of the Head Basketball coach, bringing joy back to the hearts of the fan base. The day it is announced that oscar Weber is no longer your head basketball coach is one of the best days of your life. It is one of those events where you will always remember where you were when you heard the news.
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Beat it you rough ridin' unoriginal shitbrain.
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illinibri92? More like illiniloserfuckface92. Ha!
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I want to fight mixed nutz. what an ass
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I didn't even know we had a game today. #drpepper
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Well, he put together a pretty garbage'y 2014-15 college basketball team for my Kansas State Wildcats which I'm not happy about.
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
Agree, but it won't be easy
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
The problem is there is no way in hell this team finishes top half of the league or make the tourney.
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
And if we win out we will probably be a #1 seed!
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
The problem is there is no way in hell this team finishes top half of the league or make the tourney.
It's essentially the same team as last year. They are capable.
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
The problem is there is no way in hell this team finishes top half of the league or make the tourney.
It's essentially the same team as last year. They are capable.
Hard to believe but we would actually be better with William spradling.
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I mean, if we finish in the top half of the conference and make the tournament, it's all good.
The problem is there is no way in hell this team finishes top half of the league or make the tourney.
It's essentially the same team as last year. They are capable.
Hard to believe but we would actually be better with William spradling.
That would definitely be all on oscar.
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Do Illinois fans also hate Groce? Because he sucks balls too.
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3 wks. ago thought Kenpom projected win/loss was way low, today believe it is way high, coaching in all phases sucks bigtime.
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Do Illinois fans also hate Groce? Because he sucks balls too.
His offense sucks balls. Terrible shot selection/generation. That said, he recruits well and he "coaches" very good defense. I do not hate him yet.
I still hold out hope that his recruiting is going to continue to improve (five stars!). oscar left him with a shitty, mentally weak squad. He didn't step into a good situation and then eff it up. He's rebuilding and they appear to be better this year than they were his first or second. Progress perhaps.
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Player development does not appear to be a strong suit for coach weber.
What exactly is his strong suit at this point?
He doesn't say bad words that you have to tell your children not to say.
So basically he should coaching a JV middle school team and not at the college level?
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I give every coach the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. oscar had two pretty good first seasons at K-State with the only real disappointment being the opening round NCAA loss two years ago.
But, I've seen enough and so until further notice: FUBW
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Do Illinois fans also hate Groce? Because he sucks balls too.
when I watch Illinois play, I find myself saying "Come on, Breads, what are you doing".
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Step away from the ledge, my friends. This team will make the NCAA tournament when it's all said and done (6-10 seed range). They're just figuring out how to play as a complete unit, and trying to focus on defense more than anything. It comes with a cost, but I think it's the right call for where we need to be come conference time.
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Step away from the ledge, my friends. This team will make the NCAA tournament when it's all said and done (6-10 seed range). They're just figuring out how to play as a complete unit, and trying to focus on defense more than anything. It comes with a cost, but I think it's the right call for where we need to be come conference time.
what the eff are you talking about? now the talking points are that oscar is just focusing on defense? So, Jevon, Nigel, Nino, Gipson, Westicles, and Foster forgot how to rough ridin' play defense? And the guys who sat out all last year, did they not participate in practice? were they wearing blindfolds? omg. just say they are struggling, don't rough ridin' pull stupid crap out of your ass about focusing on defense with a roster that returned everyone except will and had "new" guys (for the most part) on campus all last year.
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Step away from the ledge, my friends. This team will make the NCAA tournament when it's all said and done (6-10 seed range). They're just figuring out how to play as a complete unit, and trying to focus on defense more than anything. It comes with a cost, but I think it's the right call for where we need to be come conference time.
If we're on a ledge, you are in Wonderland, Oz, Never Never Land or some other fantastical fairy land.
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I am w zacker. Our line up is jevon, foster, gip wes, and nino. Literally our line up at the end if last yr. Edwards and bolden have been at ksu almost as long as I was at this point. There was a small number of players that needed to be incorporated into a couple yr old system.
If our defense is, and has been, the focus, as you mentioned, that makes what we are seeing even worse.
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Have you guys noticed how things seem to have fallen apart since Jack Krap decided to leave. Did he put an Armenian voodo hex on us? Is Krapper the Ghost possessing our players? Weber sounded mad in the article in the Wichita Eagle about the game. I hope he runs the hell out of those playing like loafers. When we play fast and intense we played good, but could only sustain for 2 minute spurts with 5 minutes of rest. Controlled speed - good, and more Jevon..
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Step away from the ledge, my friends. This team will make the NCAA tournament when it's all said and done (6-10 seed range). They're just figuring out how to play as a complete unit, and trying to focus on defense more than anything. It comes with a cost, but I think it's the right call for where we need to be come conference time.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Step away from the ledge, my friends. This team will make the NCAA tournament when it's all said and done (6-10 seed range). They're just figuring out how to play as a complete unit, and trying to focus on defense more than anything. It comes with a cost, but I think it's the right call for where we need to be come conference time.
what the eff are you talking about? now the talking points are that oscar is just focusing on defense? So, Jevon, Nigel, Nino, Gipson, Westicles, and Foster forgot how to rough ridin' play defense? And the guys who sat out all last year, did they not participate in practice? were they wearing blindfolds? omg. just say they are struggling, don't rough ridin' pull stupid crap out of your ass about focusing on defense with a roster that returned everyone except will and had "new" guys (for the most part) on campus all last year.
Our rotations are crap. Will experience help with this. Also Shane was a really good defender, I don't understand how people didn't know this. Our defense will come, but it is coming to slow. That is on the coaching staff.
We are a terribly coached team right now. We have good pieces. We have exciting pieces for the future.
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Burn the rough rider down with Weber in it
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Have you guys noticed how things seem to have fallen apart since Jack Krap decided to leave. Did he put an Armenian voodo hex on us? Is Krapper the Ghost possessing our players? Weber sounded mad in the article in the Wichita Eagle about the game. I hope he runs the hell out of those playing like loafers. When we play fast and intense we played good, but could only sustain for 2 minute spurts with 5 minutes of rest. Controlled speed - good, and more Jevon..
i thought i did right to jack in my farewell video, maybe he didnt like it :dunno:
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Is the other shoe going to drop on this team or do i just emotionally steel myself from even hoping?
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Hurting the image og KSU BB.
You have an image??? please explain .. Last final 4 ? Or conference champion that you didn't share with the team that handed you your asses 3 times that year... :sdeek: :sdeek:
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Get mumped oscar!
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The last few posts by decent and above posters are pretty solid.
Brandochav, that does not include you.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Hurting the image og KSU BB.
You have an image??? please explain .. Last final 4 ? Or conference champion that you didn't share with the team that handed you your asses 3 times that year... :sdeek: :sdeek:
What does ESPN, every single BB commentator and writer, and Lil Wayne have in common? rough ridin' love cats. America's Team.
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Burn the rough rider down with Weber in it
Anyone got a match?
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And I'm not suggesting chicken nuggets's face/my ass.
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Dear oscar,
I just have to ask... what in the hell do you do in practice?
My goodness.
_FAN
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I hope he is selling KSU polos from his driveway in bulk in a couple months.
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I'm becoming apathetic about basketball
That would be Stage 5 of Weberball
The Multiple Stages a Fan Will Go Through During a oscar Weber Era
Stage 1. DISAPPOINTMENT
This generally occurs at the moment the news of his hiring is released to the media by the schools Athletic Department. There will be a lot of disappointment for the fan base during the Weber Era. However, disappointment at this stage is more attributed to finding out that your school was unable to land any one else and had to settle for oscar.
Stage 2. ACCEPTANCE
After hearing all of the pumping by the local media, AD, etc. that this is a great hire, a Weber team fan base will eventually accept him as their coach. Acceptance at this stage still comes with a level of uncertainty, but the fan base is generally willing to give the guy a chance based on his experience.
Stage 3. EXCITEMENT
The fan base will soon realize that oscar Weber has an uncanny ability to win games and achieve a high level of success in his first couple of seasons at the new program. This guy is fantastic at coaching other coaches players. At this stage, those fans who may have been unsure of the hire become bandwagon oscar fans. All is good with the program and everyone is happy. There is likely some big wins during this stage, including conference championships and deep runs in the NCAA Tournament. This stage (for the majority of the fan base) generally peaks out after year 2.
Stage 4. CONCERN
It is typically in Year 3 where serious concern begins to occur within the fan base of a Weber coached team. Significant changes begin to occur with the team internally. Transfers of key players, low ranking recruiting classes, poor behavior by players outside of the program, embarrassing losses to lower level teams, etc. This stage can last up to 3 years, with many fans still holding on to hope based on oscar's early success and the fact that he runs a clean program. However, a large faction of the fan base begins to change their opinion of oscar Weber due to all of the negative signs of a declining program. This is where a serious divide occurs within the fan base (See- WFF {Weber First Fans} vs Weber Haters) which results movement to Stage 5.
Stage 5. APATHY
This stage is the result of continuous heartbreak for the fan base. Poor recruiting, continual "bubble" situations each year in March (See "Why do they call oscar Weber "Bubbles"?") This can start at different times for different fans. For realist fans, this typically starts in year 4 or 5. During this stage, there will be significant attendance issues for home games. A lot of fans will actually forget that there was even a game until the next day when they happen to hear the score on the radio driving to work. This is a sad time for fans. You begin to question your loyalty to the school you love. The administration begins to take a lot of heat for allowing the unsatisfactory results to continue. The divide between the fan base gets even stronger. The message boards become a voice for the frustrated fans to express their anger. The WFF population begins to get quiet, as the results no longer support their meme.
Stage 6. HAPPINESS
Luckily, AD's typically change every 6-8 years. It is this change that will prompt the change of the Head Basketball coach, bringing joy back to the hearts of the fan base. The day it is announced that oscar Weber is no longer your head basketball coach is one of the best days of your life. It is one of those events where you will always remember where you were when you heard the news.
Take. Him. Back.
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ahh memories
Illinois coach oscar Weber is back at it. He again criticized his predecessor, Bill Self, in a story Wednesday that focused on Illini guard Dee Brown in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, "Bill was (the player's) buddy. He told them how good they were," Weber said. "The first thing I said to Dee was, 'Dee, you can't make a left-handed layup and your pull-up jumper is awful and you tell me you want to play in the NBA. I'm trying to help you, but somebody screwed you up and didn't make you do those things.' Dee didn't know how to deal with that
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Bread! Clean this crap up!
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Bread! Clean this crap up!
Maybe if all the emaw browns weren't interacting with them and enticing them to stay I could help. They think they belong. It's confusing for them.
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Bread shouldn't be responsible for his entire fanbase, but he should anyway
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I just wanna go on record for saying I've always totally understood the hate for this guy. He will eventually burn this crap in the ground, but man, what a ride it's been. You can't overlook the conference title and the 2 KU wins, but he's definitely a dunce and this season was unnessary. However, it's been entertaining to watch. My emotions have never been this unorthodox.
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Might be a few yrs off… but how are you feeling EMAW nation?
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We're fine, he gave us two conference championships and an elite eight. A decade at one school is a great run.
I have two questions. How has Illinois been since he left? A decade later why do you all still care?
The Illinois fan thing was weird in 2012, I mean the dude got fired ffs, he didn't quit. A decade later some of these guys are still acting like OU football fans are right now. It's the strangest crap.
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i don’t think it’s weird at all, we share a common thing, this virus that is oscar
them coming here is like a support group
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It's definitely weird. They were quiet as eff when oscar broke the streak on their other good ole boy. Their University has sucked in the sport for about 4/5 the time oscar has been here. New $ fans, SMGDH.