murder, no
manslaughter, yes
cover-up should be treated with the same accomplice felony rules which common criminals are prosecuted under.
Let's get rid of cops. Everyone carry a gun and shoot at will. Comments on this thread about cops are sickening. Police are not perfect, and bad crap happens. We are too quick in this country to lump everyone in the same pile on different issues. There are a lot of good cops and good black people in the U.S. If we demean and disrespect law enforcement we are going to see more bad things and only able to recruit barney wannabes to police forces.
The Blue Wall protects all.Let's get rid of cops. Everyone carry a gun and shoot at will. Comments on this thread about cops are sickening. Police are not perfect, and bad crap happens. We are too quick in this country to lump everyone in the same pile on different issues. There are a lot of good cops and good black people in the U.S. If we demean and disrespect law enforcement we are going to see more bad things and only able to recruit barney wannabes to police forces.
Hmm so we should just let cops serve carte Blanche?
I followed that story all summer. Really bad. The cops screwed up, but do not face consequences. Rinse, repeat.Still boils down to when you do stupid crap... sometimes you die. Deserve has nothing to do with it.
The cop did even stupider crap - driving a relatively small boat too fast on a rough lake with possibly inebriated, definitely cuffed and incorrectly life jacketed passenger. It's bad enough they aren't subject to any criminal charges but these guys don't even lose their jobs over huge mistakes like this.I followed that story all summer. Really bad. The cops screwed up, but do not face consequences. Rinse, repeat.Still boils down to when you do stupid crap... sometimes you die. Deserve has nothing to do with it.
DNR article, but the radio coverage said the d00d was more than slightly inebriated. Supposedly, he was super duper drunk.
Oh, I fully agree. Someone should hold that cop's head under water for a good 10 min or so. I was responding to Skipper's post about the guy possibly being inebriated.
So this summer this kid from Iowa named Brandon Ellingson took a trip to the Ozarks and decided to do a little underaged drinking, well his punishment was murder by the Missouri HP. IMO this is much much worse than the Michael Brown incident but it won't get the national media attention. This kid was undoubtedly murdered but because of lying cops and small town cover-ups these cops will literally get away with murder and are still out there "serving" the public, its disgusting.
So this summer this kid from Iowa named Brandon Ellingson took a trip to the Ozarks and decided to do a little underaged drinking, well his punishment was murder by the Missouri HP. IMO this is much much worse than the Michael Brown incident but it won't get the national media attention. This kid was undoubtedly murdered but because of lying cops and small town cover-ups these cops will literally get away with murder and are still out there "serving" the public, its disgusting.
Murder? Are you serious? The trooper was negligent, but he didn't intend to kill the kid. The kid wasn't just drunk - he was rough ridin' plowed. Had a BAC of .268. (For an added dose of irony, the name of the boat was "Sotally Tober"). The trooper mumped up by putting the wrong life vest on him. He was poorly trained. So if you want to be outraged about a poorly trained trooper negligently drowning a kid - that's a-ok - but to call this "murder" is ridiculous.
So this summer this kid from Iowa named Brandon Ellingson took a trip to the Ozarks and decided to do a little underaged drinking, well his punishment was murder by the Missouri HP. IMO this is much much worse than the Michael Brown incident but it won't get the national media attention. This kid was undoubtedly murdered but because of lying cops and small town cover-ups these cops will literally get away with murder and are still out there "serving" the public, its disgusting.
Murder? Are you serious? The trooper was negligent, but he didn't intend to kill the kid. The kid wasn't just drunk - he was rough ridin' plowed. Had a BAC of .268. (For an added dose of irony, the name of the boat was "Sotally Tober"). The trooper mumped up by putting the wrong life vest on him. He was poorly trained. So if you want to be outraged about a poorly trained trooper negligently drowning a kid - that's a-ok - but to call this "murder" is ridiculous.
negligent homicide
The story isn't that a cop accidentally killed a kid, rubes. The story is that even in ridiculous circumstances like these, even with cops operating under a different set of rules than the rest of us, if something goes awry those in command will go out of their way to cover up for a cop.
kazzoodub, what are your thoughts on the cover up and abuse of trust and power? negligence?
I think the argument being made is that some people are born into a certain color of skin that already puts them in a position of being harmed by dumbass short-man-syndrome PD. Here are some videos that seem to convey that idea.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141007/bed-stuy/video-nypd-officer-hits-teen-face-with-his-gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDTbSmF76N8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaaeXIg9kSk
I think the argument being made is that some people are born into a certain color of skin that already puts them in a position of being harmed by dumbass short-man-syndrome PD. Here are some videos that seem to convey that idea.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141007/bed-stuy/video-nypd-officer-hits-teen-face-with-his-gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDTbSmF76N8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaaeXIg9kSk
Not in this thread, but yes, the argument is being made.
I think the argument being made is that some people are born into a certain color of skin that already puts them in a position of being harmed by dumbass short-man-syndrome PD. Here are some videos that seem to convey that idea.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141007/bed-stuy/video-nypd-officer-hits-teen-face-with-his-gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDTbSmF76N8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaaeXIg9kSk
Not in this thread, but yes, the argument is being made.
I legitimately thought I was in the other thread. Oh goEMAW, you crazy place, you.
I got pulled over in Missouri for not having a front license plate (BECAUSE I'M FROM KANSAS) and the cop was huge dick.
asked if I was having a little sunday funday. it was like 9 AM. he also asked why we were there and when we were leaving. Weird "not in my town, mister" bullshit like the motion picture FIRST BLOOD.
nobody got shot, though.
I got pulled over in Missouri for not having a front license plate (BECAUSE I'M FROM KANSAS) and the cop was huge dick.
asked if I was having a little sunday funday. it was like 9 AM. he also asked why we were there and when we were leaving. Weird "not in my town, mister" bullshit like the motion picture FIRST BLOOD.
nobody got shot, though.
So this summer this kid from Iowa named Brandon Ellingson took a trip to the Ozarks and decided to do a little underaged drinking, well his punishment was murder by the Missouri HP. IMO this is much much worse than the Michael Brown incident but it won't get the national media attention. This kid was undoubtedly murdered but because of lying cops and small town cover-ups these cops will literally get away with murder and are still out there "serving" the public, its disgusting.
Murder? Are you serious? The trooper was negligent, but he didn't intend to kill the kid. The kid wasn't just drunk - he was rough ridin' plowed. Had a BAC of .268. (For an added dose of irony, the name of the boat was "Sotally Tober"). The trooper mumped up by putting the wrong life vest on him. He was poorly trained. So if you want to be outraged about a poorly trained trooper negligently drowning a kid - that's a-ok - but to call this "murder" is ridiculous.
I followed that story all summer. Really bad. The cops screwed up, but do not face consequences. Rinse, repeat.Still boils down to when you do stupid crap... sometimes you die. Deserve has nothing to do with it.
DNR article, but the radio coverage said the d00d was more than slightly inebriated. Supposedly, he was super duper drunk.
You're right to be upset about this, MIT, but you're wrong to call it murder. You detract from your argument by reaching too far.
Second Degree Murder: Definition
Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.
- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/second-degree-murder-overview.html#sthash.jEvuUbsN.dpuf
I got educated on the story on the radio, as posted. I understand the circumstances, appreciate the follow up, tho.
The dispatch cop laughing about the other cop wanting to tell the dad he wouldn't be any less dead in the morning was one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard.
I got educated on the story on the radio, as posted. I understand the circumstances, appreciate the follow up, tho.
Your contribution about how drunk he was leads me to believe otherwise. Unless you think he could have uncuffed himself, put his life jacket on correctly, grew half a foot so he could brace himself on the floor of the boat, and convince the cop not to drive the boat like a rough ridin' idiot, if Ellingson blew a .117.
there typically is a couple of boating related deaths every summer at LOTO so I am not terribly surprised by the dispatchers attitude. I imagine that little exchange will keep the deceased's parents on the warpath for the rest of their lives.The dispatch cop laughing about the other cop wanting to tell the dad he wouldn't be any less dead in the morning was one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard.
I know. You'd think this was a common occurrence given the nonchalant attitude.
You're right to be upset about this, MIT, but you're wrong to call it murder. You detract from your argument by reaching too far.
I made my case, just because you don't agree doesn't make it a reach.QuoteSecond Degree Murder: Definition
Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.
- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/second-degree-murder-overview.html#sthash.jEvuUbsN.dpuf
Second degree murder, penalty.
565.021.
1. A person commits the crime of murder in the second degree if he:
(1) Knowingly causes the death of another person or, with the purpose of causing serious physical injury to another person, causes the death of another person; or
(2) Commits or attempts to commit any felony, and, in the perpetration or the attempted perpetration of such felony or in the flight from the perpetration or attempted perpetration of such felony, another person is killed as a result of the perpetration or attempted perpetration of such felony or immediate flight from the perpetration of such felony or attempted perpetration of such felony.
2. Murder in the second degree is a class A felony, and the punishment for second degree murder shall be in addition to the punishment for commission of a related felony or attempted felony, other than murder or manslaughter.
3. Notwithstanding section 556.046 and section 565.025, in any charge of murder in the second degree, the jury shall be instructed on, or, in a jury-waived trial, the judge shall consider, any and all of the subdivisions in subsection 1 of this section which are supported by the evidence and requested by one of the parties or the court.
Involuntary manslaughter, penalty.
565.024. 1. A person commits the crime of involuntary manslaughter in the first degree if he or she:
(1) Recklessly causes the death of another person; or
(2) While in an intoxicated condition operates a motor vehicle or vessel in this state and, when so operating, acts with criminal negligence to cause the death of any person; or
(3) While in an intoxicated condition operates a motor vehicle or vessel in this state, and, when so operating, acts with criminal negligence to:
(a) Cause the death of any person not a passenger in the vehicle or vessel operated by the defendant, including the death of an individual that results from the defendant's vehicle leaving a highway, as defined by section 301.010, or the highway's right-of-way; or vessel leaving the water; or
(b) Cause the death of two or more persons; or
(c) Cause the death of any person while he or she has a blood alcohol content of at least eighteen-hundredths of one percent by weight of alcohol in such person's blood; or
(4) Operates a motor vehicle in violation of subsection 2 of section 304.022, and when so operating, acts with criminal negligence to cause the death of any person authorized to operate an emergency vehicle, as defined in section 304.022, while such person is in the performance of official duties;
(5) Operates a vessel in violation of subsections 1 and 2 of section 306.132, and when so operating acts with criminal negligence to cause the death of any person authorized to operate an emergency watercraft, as defined in section 306.132, while such person is in the performance of official duties.
2. Involuntary manslaughter in the first degree under subdivision (1) or (2) of subsection 1 of this section is a class C felony. Involuntary manslaughter in the first degree under subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of this section is a class B felony. A second or subsequent violation of subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of this section is a class A felony. For any violation of subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of this section, the minimum prison term which the defendant must serve shall be eighty-five percent of his or her sentence. Any violation of subdivisions (4) and (5) of subsection 1 of this section is a class B felony.
3. A person commits the crime of involuntary manslaughter in the second degree if he acts with criminal negligence to cause the death of any person.
4. Involuntary manslaughter in the second degree is a class D felony.
Culpable mental state.
562.016. 1. Except as provided in section 562.026, a person is not guilty of an offense unless he acts with a culpable mental state, that is, unless he acts purposely or knowingly or recklessly or with criminal negligence, as the statute defining the offense may require with respect to the conduct, the result thereof or the attendant circumstances which constitute the material elements of the crime.
2. A person "acts purposely", or with purpose, with respect to his conduct or to a result thereof when it is his conscious object to engage in that conduct or to cause that result.
3. A person "acts knowingly", or with knowledge,
(1) With respect to his conduct or to attendant circumstances when he is aware of the nature of his conduct or that those circumstances exist; or
(2) With respect to a result of his conduct when he is aware that his conduct is practically certain to cause that result.
4. A person "acts recklessly" or is reckless when he consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that circumstances exist or that a result will follow, and such disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care which a reasonable person would exercise in the situation.
5. A person "acts with criminal negligence" or is criminally negligent when he fails to be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that circumstances exist or a result will follow, and such failure constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care which a reasonable person would exercise in the situation.
Thanks for pointing out this coverup corruption, I had not heard of this story before today, I find it really disgusting when people lie about important things for personal gain, it should always be met with harsh punishment, if anything else really dishonest like this comes across your desk please keep me in the loop.
I think fanning's point is that there should be more riots when cops kill citizens.
http://downtrend.com/71superb/unarmed-white-man-shot-by-police-no-riots-al-sharpton-silent-obama-keeps-golfing/
Again, no agenda here. My weird townie FB friends keep posting this crap.In all seriousness the problem is that students at that school didn't riot or at least have a die-in at the mall. What the eff is wrong with college students these days.
http://conservativetribune.com/white-teen-shot-by-black-cop/
It seems like this would be a good time to shoot anyone you want if you're a cop. :dunno:
It seems like this would be a good time to shoot anyone you want if you're a cop. :dunno:
Again, no agenda here. My weird townie FB friends keep posting this crap.
http://conservativetribune.com/white-teen-shot-by-black-cop/
I love having law school students post here, I remember when I researched.
(Post is a compliment to Bread and Dlew)
http://www.inquisitr.com/1623697/homeschool-family-raided-by-missouri-sheriff-parents-tasered-and-pepper-sprayed/
Regardless of what you think about home schooling, and I have mixed feelings about it. However, it's not against the law, and at the end of the day, too each their own.
But really now, we have Social Services "sicking" cops on parents and their reasoning was that the home MIGHT be "messy"? So the cops without a warrant, go to the home and forcefully enter using pepper spray and tasers.
Not so fast, Matt. The Hagans come across as very neat and organized people on Pinterest. :nono:
https://www.pinterest.com/lrdmaul/
How can these two be married to each other?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner_n_6263656.html?ir=Black+Voices&utm_campaign=120314&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-black-voices&utm_content=FullStory
I love having law school students post here, I remember when I researched.Bread handles all the BBS legal research, and I handle making the outline and organizing our study group for our Real Estate Transactions class.
(Post is a compliment to Bread and Dlew)
Whoa! :frown:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner_n_6263656.html?ir=Black+Voices&utm_campaign=120314&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-black-voices&utm_content=FullStory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo
:sdeek:
I'm shocked the racists haven't used the same excuse they did for Michael Brown: "Did you see how big and tall he was!?!?!?!?"
Being a large human being = worthy of the death penalty
Video is pretty bad. Surprised no indictment. About the only thing I can say in cops defense is that dude was a friggin tank.
I love having law school students post here, I remember when I researched.Bread handles all the BBS legal research, and I handle making the outline and organizing our study group for our Real Estate Transactions class.
(Post is a compliment to Bread and Dlew)
"only when i drink"I love having law school students post here, I remember when I researched.Bread handles all the BBS legal research, and I handle making the outline and organizing our study group for our Real Estate Transactions class.
(Post is a compliment to Bread and Dlew)
Perfect, I'll hook up with that cute girl in the other section and then we can all get beers and smoke but tell everyone we don't normally smoke. :fatty: