Post by: The Big Train on November 14, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
so far all the big 12 teams are kinda struggling right now against these crap teams
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Post by: The Big Train on November 14, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
Post by: _33 on November 14, 2014, 10:28:12 PM
MIZZOU :lol: Faith in Haith is certainly not what they hoped for
Haith does not coach the mizzou tigers anymore.
Post by: EMADUB on November 14, 2014, 10:33:01 PM
MIZZOU :lol: Faith in Haith is certainly not what they hoped for
Haith does not coach the mizzou tigers anymore.
:bang: I should just stick to NCCAA DII.
Post by: _33 on November 14, 2014, 10:35:55 PM
MIZZOU :lol: Faith in Haith is certainly not what they hoped for
Haith does not coach the mizzou tigers anymore.
:bang: I should just stick to NCCAA DII.
How do the THUNDER look this year? Are we going to kill Ozark?
Post by: Havs on November 14, 2014, 10:47:38 PM
Post by: EMADUB on November 14, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
MIZZOU :lol: Faith in Haith is certainly not what they hoped for
Haith does not coach the mizzou tigers anymore.
:bang: I should just stick to NCCAA DII.
How do the THUNDER look this year? Are we going to kill Ozark?
Just lost only our sixth conference game in the last 8 years to a school named after the town that Jesus was playing Undercover Boss with the original Dumb and Dumber. Still a long season ahead tho.
_33, our name may have changed but we still are all about keeping Ozark a witnessing school with no accreditation.
Post by: 8manpick on November 14, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Clones were up 20 with 3 mins to go, but only won by 11. Defense struggled, but Thomas, Nader, McKay were out.Never heard of any of those guys
Post by: Tobias on November 14, 2014, 11:36:03 PM
Post by: That_Guy on November 15, 2014, 12:11:01 AM
Clones were up 20 with 3 mins to go, but only won by 11. Defense struggled, but Thomas, Nader, McKay were out.
We won by 30 with Wes, Nino, and Malik out.
Post by: renocat on November 15, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 15, 2014, 01:42:57 PM
Looks like we are going to have the best Division1 BB state again. The squawkers and shockers won too. Not a big fan of the KU Birdies, but I hope they beat Captian UK Capillary and his under the table paid Blue Blood boys,Not going to happen this year. The Capillary losing part.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2014, 01:52:14 PM
Post by: 8manpick on November 15, 2014, 02:17:19 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 15, 2014, 02:19:22 PM
I hope KU absolutely gets rough ridin' curb stomped by Kentucky. I mean :tsc: and all, but they are so jealous of UK and I'd really enjoy it. :D
Hey hey, why not worry about the 'Roos first, Sparky?
Post by: ChiComCat on November 15, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
I hope KU absolutely gets rough ridin' curb stomped by Kentucky. I mean :tsc: and all, but they are so jealous of UK and I'd really enjoy it. :D
Hey hey, why not worry about the 'Roos first, Sparky?
We will never overlook those bastards at UMKC
http://www.umkckangaroos.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18300&ATCLID=1261667
Post by: ksupamplemousse on November 16, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Post by: Pete on November 16, 2014, 07:34:14 PM
If I were a Mizzou fan, I don't think I'd be very confident in Kim Anderson being anything more than a SLTH. I know it was talked about when he was hired, but he has a really strange sounding voice, I can't imagine signing up for four years of listing to Kim Anderson every day. Also, his suit game is not very on point, he looks pretty loser-y out there.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi10.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa107%2Fbig12north%2FBruceLip2_zps928e9f21.gif&hash=77f6cc34bc820af50be8a2e21f6a9ffee7d87bac) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/big12north/media/BruceLip2_zps928e9f21.gif.html)
Post by: bones129 on November 16, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 16, 2014, 08:11:27 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 16, 2014, 08:50:22 PM
I literally don't know a single player on ku know that frankamp is goneThis is dumb. I bet they all know that he's gone. It's not like he still shows up for practice.
Post by: steve dave on November 16, 2014, 08:52:41 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on November 16, 2014, 09:11:34 PM
I literally don't know a single player on ku know that frankamp is goneThis is dumb. I bet they all know that he's gone. It's not like he still shows up for practice.
Perhaps he does, tho.
:dunno:
Post by: Mr Bread on November 16, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400595364 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400595364)
:Rusty:
Post by: CNS on November 16, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 18, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
Post by: TownieCat on November 18, 2014, 12:56:43 PM
Looks like Baylor is going to keep this conference undefeated! Starnge to see Frank's guys not improving yet in his 3rd year. :confused::surprised:
Post by: Mr Bread on November 20, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
http://www.burntorangenation.com/basketball/2014/11/21/7259613/isaiah-taylor-wrist-injury-texas-longhorns (http://www.burntorangenation.com/basketball/2014/11/21/7259613/isaiah-taylor-wrist-injury-texas-longhorns)
Luckily they have that fatass Felix. :Yuck:
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 05:15:01 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 08:58:57 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400595375 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400595375)
:cool:
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 09:27:49 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2014, 01:02:56 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on November 28, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
Is this Bill Self's worst Kayhawks team ever? Stay tuned folks. :ohno:
False alarm. For now. Kelly Oubre is a poor man's Selby. Yikes.
Post by: sys on November 28, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
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Post by: kim carnes on November 29, 2014, 12:07:37 AM
2-0 on the day for big 10 v. Big 12. 3-0 on the season. :Chirp:
purdue
Post by: Mr Bread on November 29, 2014, 12:38:33 AM
2-0 on the day for big 10 v. Big 12. 3-0 on the season. :Chirp:
purdue
I forgot about those losers. rough ridin' ruined it for everybody else.
Post by: Mr Bread on November 29, 2014, 12:44:36 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 29, 2014, 06:42:32 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on November 29, 2014, 08:20:25 AM
Mr. Bread, You're the best. However, you're about to see how many zero fucks that we give about basketball now that we're bad at it again. I'm serious. Like, zero fucks!
This season is going to get better, but yeah getting Bruced is a slow burn.
Post by: Mr Bread on November 29, 2014, 08:29:21 AM
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 29, 2014, 07:52:37 PM
dude this is freaking awesome
Post by: Mr Bread on November 30, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
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Post by: Mr Bread on November 30, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
Angel is going to kick your ass
The breads are going to make you eat those words. I'm going to feed them to you with a toddler spoon, because I have a bunch and it's no big deal to use one on you.
Post by: Mr Bread on November 30, 2014, 11:08:10 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on November 30, 2014, 11:37:16 AM
Congrats on being bowl eligible, bread.
Thanks, but they're rough ridin' terrible. I don't support that.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on November 30, 2014, 12:17:13 PM
The jackharryhawks are taking on sparty at noon. Sparty is down this year by their standards. Lack the star power. Can Self take advantage? :dunno:gonna get up in this ass to watch marvin clark. he witnessed the defeat of the hawks by our wildcats at bob huggins family stadium last year. hoping he loses because I'm petty
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 30, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
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Post by: uncle clean jeans on November 30, 2014, 01:20:44 PM
Holmes just hit a 3 off the inbound to beat UCONN. Isn't that who hit the 3 to beat us last year?yep. only difference was they inbounded from the baseline last year. Texas, #bringinhomethebacon
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
"thug ball" at it's finest
Post by: Mr Bread on November 30, 2014, 01:55:15 PM
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Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2014, 01:57:31 PM
what a ghetto tournament
guess everyone can't get into the Maui
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Post by: SdK on November 30, 2014, 02:17:04 PM
congrats hawks, you won the OrlandoSeason in full bloom.
Post by: Spracne on November 30, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 30, 2014, 02:24:31 PM
congrats hawks, you won the Orlando
What does the first place team in Orlando end up in the Maui tournament? 6th? I guess I could see them getting 4th if they faced Chaminade in their first game.
Post by: SdK on November 30, 2014, 02:28:46 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F28.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m2dkndh0UV1r1v937o1_400.gif&hash=62f98337f217bb995664d6df3777ae4ea18f8886)Taters gonna tate. :love:
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 30, 2014, 02:38:07 PM
And the taters gonna tate (tate, tate, tate, tate, baby)
Post by: uncle clean jeans on November 30, 2014, 02:38:47 PM
Marvin Clark Jr., F 0-7 0-4 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 30, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on December 01, 2014, 08:22:57 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on December 02, 2014, 11:14:50 AM
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3. Five teams -- Louisville, Illinois, Miami, Ohio State and NC State -- come into Tuesday's Challenge games unbeaten. Which is the most likely to walk out with its first loss?
Katz: Miami. The Hurricanes are at home, but they are playing an Illinois team that is rolling and took out Baylor in Las Vegas. The Canes will need to match toughness with the Illini.
Medcalf: I'll go with Illinois. Miami is on a crazy run right now. Angel Rodriguez, Manu Lecomte and Sheldon McClellan comprise one of the most talented backcourts in the country. The Illini will be on the road in a matchup against a program that's ranked fourth in adjusted offensive efficiency per Ken Pomeroy. Tough task for John Groce's crew.
:users:
Post by: Mr Bread on December 02, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
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Another game to watch: Illinois at Miami (FL) (9 ET, ESPN2) -- Both of these teams have worked their way into the top 25 with undefeated starts to the season. The Hurricanes are here due to their defeat of Florida in Gainesville, as well as victory in the Charleston Classic. However, the win against Florida seems to be fool's gold, given the Gators' play this season, so it's a bit less certain just how good Jim Larranaga's team is. They should get a decent test against Illinois, who is out to fantastic start offensively due to sharp shooting from long range and a lack of turnovers. The Illini have scored at least 80 points in five of its first six games, and have the third best turnover rate in the country at a paltry 12.1 percent. I expect this one to be a fairly high-scoring affair that could go either way.
:confused:
Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2014, 11:39:10 AM
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Post by: Mr Bread on December 02, 2014, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: ART
He knows Miami fans typically don’t show up unless a team is winning. “It’s something you have to earn here,” Rodriguez said. “There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s very different from Manhattan, Kansas, but at the end of the day, it’s going to be worth it. You know they’re coming because you’re doing something right. It will be a great feeling if one day we pack the BUC.”
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article4233809.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article4233809.html)
aww
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Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 02, 2014, 07:22:59 PM
undy officially has josh pastner on #upsetwatch. word to your mother
Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2014, 08:11:18 PM
Starks delivers facial on Rodriguez
Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2014, 08:34:23 PM
the Cuse obvs a much better team in all aspects
Post by: Mr Bread on December 02, 2014, 09:10:09 PM
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Post by: pissclams on December 02, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on December 03, 2014, 12:16:23 PM
bread your breads are v big10-y
Yes. I dislike it greatly.
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 07:53:38 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
:flush:
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:11:05 PM
great play you idiot #huggyball
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:12:58 PM
if I'm dale brown I protest
no flagrant lol
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:17:59 PM
between them and pig aggie downgrade I really hate both teams
it makes me sick
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on December 04, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 08:58:54 PM
TCU up 3 at half
I simply cannot watch the shitshow in Ames
doesn't help that Brent and Fran are on the call
#embroideredsweater
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2014, 09:05:28 PM
it's disgusting
Post by: Spracne on December 04, 2014, 11:09:24 PM
perry ellis! not. the guy might be the most overrated jayhawk in self's tenure
it's disgusting
lolwut? He's the least well-liked lead Jayhawk that I can remember.
Post by: pissclams on December 05, 2014, 08:09:29 AM
perry ellis! not. the guy might be the most overrated jayhawk in self's tenure
it's disgusting
lolwut? He's the least well-liked lead Jayhawk that I can remember.
you guys don't really have much of a team this year so when the media fawns over you, they default to him b/c of senior
Post by: Spracne on December 05, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
perry ellis! not. the guy might be the most overrated jayhawk in self's tenure
it's disgusting
lolwut? He's the least well-liked lead Jayhawk that I can remember.
you guys don't really have much of a team this year so when the media fawns over you, they default to him b/c of senior
This is incorrect.
Post by: pissclams on December 05, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
this tcu crap needs to endperry ellis! not. the guy might be the most overrated jayhawk in self's tenure
it's disgusting
lolwut? He's the least well-liked lead Jayhawk that I can remember.
you guys don't really have much of a team this year so when the media fawns over you, they default to him b/c of senior
This is incorrect.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 05, 2014, 10:12:51 AM
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Post by: Spracne on December 05, 2014, 12:00:19 PM
this tcu crap needs to endperry ellis! not. the guy might be the most overrated jayhawk in self's tenure
it's disgusting
lolwut? He's the least well-liked lead Jayhawk that I can remember.
you guys don't really have much of a team this year so when the media fawns over you, they default to him b/c of senior
This is incorrect.
No, it is actually provably incorrect.
Post by: pissclams on December 05, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/101217/portland-state-players-fake-handshake-steal-and-dunk?ex_cid=espnFB
:lol: GET UP, FOOL
Post by: pissclams on December 05, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
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Post by: bones129 on December 05, 2014, 10:05:39 PM
i really dont like slow motion replays on ankle/knee injuries :blindfold:
Nothing is worse than the Joe Theismann replay. Gruesome.
Post by: The Big Train on December 05, 2014, 10:07:14 PM
i really dont like slow motion replays on ankle/knee injuries :blindfold:
Nothing is worse than the Joe Theismann replay. Gruesome.
kevin ware :dunno:
Post by: bones129 on December 05, 2014, 10:25:48 PM
i really dont like slow motion replays on ankle/knee injuries :blindfold:
Nothing is worse than the Joe Theismann replay. Gruesome.
kevin ware :dunno:
Pretty close to Theismann.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 06, 2014, 12:28:25 PM
P.S.
Frank Martin still hasn't installed on offense as an ncaa coach
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Post by: Mr Bread on December 06, 2014, 01:14:54 PM
NJIT is that place in wichita where you learn how to copilot a 777 for the Chinese airline
I thought maybe it was another thing that gave you the goo penis one time.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 06, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
NJIT is that place in wichita where you learn how to copilot a 777 for the Chinese airline
I thought maybe it was another thing that gave you the goo penis one time.
Cocaine?
Post by: EMAWzified on December 06, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 06, 2014, 01:28:05 PM
this is cool. we should do this at KSU
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 06, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 06, 2014, 01:42:00 PM
That is stupid
no its awesome
Post by: EMAWzified on December 06, 2014, 01:43:08 PM
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Post by: Mr Bread on December 07, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Really says it all. Talked about them for days here and they didn't even cross my mind. #getfuckedpurdue #youdontmatter #fattpainter
Turdoo lost to the North Florida Ospreys yesterday at home. My word they are trash. #fattpainter
Post by: sys on December 07, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Really says it all. Talked about them for days here and they didn't even cross my mind. #getfuckedpurdue #youdontmatter #fattpainter
Turdoo lost to the North Florida Ospreys yesterday at home. My word they are trash. #fattpainter
not the only team they've lost to. :popscollar:
Post by: Mr Bread on December 11, 2014, 11:29:02 AM
Post by: Yard Dog on December 11, 2014, 11:41:44 AM
Basketball is so rough ridin' boring when you suck at it. :frown:
Is this what it feels like to be a KU fan during football season? Because I feel really bad for our instate bros if it is.
Post by: Tobias on December 11, 2014, 11:54:13 PM
Nubb lost to Incarnate Word yesterday. Meatchicken lost to Eastern Meatchicken. :flush:
losing to a directional school that scored 45 points seems really bad
Post by: Yard Dog on December 12, 2014, 11:59:23 AM
http://deadspin.com/streamers-return-to-the-palestra-for-the-first-time-in-1667733325 (http://deadspin.com/streamers-return-to-the-palestra-for-the-first-time-in-1667733325)
this is cool. we should do this at KSU
Seems small timey. Shredding newspaper by hand and tossing it in the air is way more boss.
Post by: Skipper44 on December 12, 2014, 12:29:32 PM
12/28/14 vs. Texas Southern TV Bramlage Coliseum 2:00 PM CT :ohno:Nubb lost to Incarnate Word yesterday. Meatchicken lost to Eastern Meatchicken. :flush:
losing to a directional school that scored 45 points seems really bad
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Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2014, 04:34:18 PM
spracs are you going to the texas-texas state blockbuster! :excited: :excited: :runaway:No, my Texas fanhood is still in the sprouting stage. Am going to the KU-UT game, tho. Shirt color TBD.
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But alas, the Fightin Jayhawks pulled it out.
RCJH! :tsc:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 14, 2014, 08:52:32 AM
Does anyone know why Memphis is so terrible?
Cankles, the dream hire for goEtards circa 2011
Post by: 8manpick on December 14, 2014, 09:48:50 AM
Nice that you can legitimately abandon KU football for Texasspracs are you going to the texas-texas state blockbuster! :excited: :excited: :runaway:No, my Texas fanhood is still in the sprouting stage. Am going to the KU-UT game, tho. Shirt color TBD.
Post by: Yard Dog on December 15, 2014, 09:26:52 AM
Meatchicken is completely broken. It doesn't even seem possible that they could be as bad as they are right now. Shocking.
Any chance that when neither team makes a tournament we could set up an end of season exhibition between the cats and wolverines?
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2014, 11:16:01 AM
Grady ideaMeatchicken is completely broken. It doesn't even seem possible that they could be as bad as they are right now. Shocking.
Any chance that when neither team makes a tournament we could set up an end of season exhibition between the cats and wolverines?
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
Great*Grady ideaMeatchicken is completely broken. It doesn't even seem possible that they could be as bad as they are right now. Shocking.
Any chance that when neither team makes a tournament we could set up an end of season exhibition between the cats and wolverines?
(Damn you autocorrect)
Post by: pissclams on December 15, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 17, 2014, 07:05:41 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2014, 07:29:39 PM
NC State making it look easy against Tennessee
State got upset at home, Tenn. coming off a big upset.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 17, 2014, 08:21:37 PM
Despite that crap court they wheel out every other game, I like this team. This should be Gott's best since the run he made with Syds players. It's also worth mentioning that cretin Donnie Tyndall has put together a nice basketball team in Tenn. They seem to have bought into whatever he's doing and played pretty hard on the road tonight.NC State making it look easy against Tennessee
State got upset at home, Tenn. coming off a big upset.
Post by: Skipper44 on December 20, 2014, 12:20:27 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 20, 2014, 01:25:27 PM
Illinois and Missouri are LOL terrible
Post by: 8manpick on December 20, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
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Post by: Kat Kid on December 20, 2014, 02:47:20 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 20, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 20, 2014, 03:03:49 PM
Is anyone watching UK v UCLA? WOW. I've watched most UK games this year. This is domination unlike any other.
I'm so damn jealous
Post by: Mr Bread on December 20, 2014, 03:09:35 PM
Bread, your team is terrible.
I agree. I hate them quite a bit. So very tired of losers.
Post by: IPA4Me on December 20, 2014, 03:10:15 PM
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Post by: Tobias on December 20, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2014, 03:44:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
41-7 at half :sdeek:
UCLA is averaging 80 freaking points per game. I think we're to the point that the UK/76ers conversation isn't at all ridiculous.
Post by: bones129 on December 20, 2014, 03:50:18 PM
41-7 at half :sdeek:
John Wooden must be spinning in his grave.
Post by: Mr Bread on December 20, 2014, 04:03:40 PM
Fun Braggin Rights, grats bread.
Thanks. We're the tallest midget.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 20, 2014, 06:02:06 PM
Fun Braggin Rights, grats bread.
Thanks. We're the tallest midget.
Not sure how much you care about that game (it has always seemed to me that Mizzou fans care way more about it) but there were some very tasty Missouri sad faces at the end of that game.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 20, 2014, 06:22:36 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
2-8 Texas southern coached by Mike Davis just beat Izzo. that is what we call a "bad loss" in the biz.
Guess who we play next? FWIW, and it isn't much in this case but MSU's best player was out with a broken wrist.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 21, 2014, 07:00:18 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on December 21, 2014, 07:02:25 AM
2-8 Texas southern coached by Mike Davis just beat Izzo. that is what we call a "bad loss" in the biz.
Guess who we play next? FWIW, and it isn't much in this case but MSU's best player was out with a broken wrist.
I had no idea. My mom has my tickets and may bear witness to some very bad basketball.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 21, 2014, 07:02:40 AM
FYI, WVU executed a really nice full court press practically all game last night. State's Lacey and Barber got trapped to death and they handle the ball much better than any of KSU's guards. That "old rascal" has a very good #team
Terrifying.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 21, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
I suppose pointing out every team in the conference that would dismantle this team would become a bit tedious, huhFYI, WVU executed a really nice full court press practically all game last night. State's Lacey and Barber got trapped to death and they handle the ball much better than any of KSU's guards. That "old rascal" has a very good #team
Terrifying.
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2014, 07:21:05 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 22, 2014, 07:22:46 PM
Temple is piss pounding the Hawks. :sdeek:
Who?
Post by: Tobias on December 22, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 22, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
Post by: SdK on December 22, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2014, 07:32:09 PM
Temple is piss pounding the Hawks. :sdeek:
Who?
My god what is happening, it's a bloodbath
Post by: Spracne on December 22, 2014, 07:32:51 PM
Post by: BackPayne on December 22, 2014, 07:34:46 PM
Merry rough ridin' Christmas, everybody.
KU is playing very K-Statey. Sorry.
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
"piss pound" may be a bit too pejorative but they will almost certainly lose
Your mom is pejorative
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 22, 2014, 07:38:04 PM
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Post by: Mr Bread on December 22, 2014, 07:47:22 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on December 23, 2014, 01:40:42 AM
Post by: AbeFroman on December 23, 2014, 06:20:49 AM
#kubball = like 30 different women
Bob Davis = Bill Cosby's wife
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 23, 2014, 08:10:58 AM
I mean, when Coach Self was yelling at them, they didn't even listen to him. I found this extremely disturbing and it looked to me like, being a huge TSC'er that there's a bunch of FP's and TC's on this team, and Kansas University Basketball cannot be represented by FP's and TC's.
Maybe some time away from each other and Lawrence will do some good.
Post by: PowercatPat on December 23, 2014, 08:20:21 AM
Some of these voters should be fired.
Post by: Tobias on December 23, 2014, 08:26:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 23, 2014, 08:49:46 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on December 23, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
Is this Bill Self's worst Kayhawks team ever? Stay tuned folks. :ohno:
Possibly Mr Bread, possibly.
Post by: CHONGS on December 23, 2014, 09:42:22 AM
Can somebody explain to me why TCU is ranked? You're telling me they've gone from an 0-18 Big 12 team to a ranked team in a few months?They have pretty good coach. Not great, but pretty good.
Some of these voters should be fired.
Post by: TownieCat on December 23, 2014, 10:28:27 AM
Can somebody explain to me why TCU is ranked? You're telling me they've gone from an 0-18 Big 12 team to a ranked team in a few months?They have pretty good coach. Not great, but pretty good.
Some of these voters should be fired.
He is the 9th or 10th best coach in the Big 12.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on December 23, 2014, 11:23:57 AM
:lol:Is this Bill Self's worst Kayhawks team ever? Stay tuned folks. :ohno:
Possibly Mr Bread, possibly.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2014, 11:26:29 AM
Post by: PowercatPat on December 23, 2014, 11:54:42 AM
what else are you going to do with a 12-0 team with 3 P5 wins?
Ole Miss and Miss State should not count as P5 wins. Miss State might be the worst P5 team in the country.
Post by: Tobias on December 23, 2014, 11:55:10 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 23, 2014, 01:23:07 PM
Post by: Gooch on December 23, 2014, 02:05:27 PM
At what point is KU Basketball officially "hurting"?What day was oscar hired?
Post by: Tobias on December 24, 2014, 12:50:08 AM
Post by: The Big Train on December 24, 2014, 12:51:57 AM
Post by: bones129 on December 24, 2014, 12:52:10 AM
loyola Marymount 35, nebraska 35. 11 seconds left. In the game
:facepalm:
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Post by: cDubya on January 03, 2015, 03:01:47 PM
No Staten for WVU today though. :frown:
Anyway, excited to see how they do against this TCU squad.
Post by: cDubya on January 03, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
Post by: uncle clean jeans on January 03, 2015, 03:06:50 PM
Who's ready for some conference ball?! :excited:I really like your team this season, FWIW. Where is Staten
No Staten for WVU today though. :frown:
Anyway, excited to see how they do against this TCU squad.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2015, 03:09:31 PM
Post by: EMAWzified on January 03, 2015, 04:06:30 PM
Post by: cDubya on January 03, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
Who's ready for some conference ball?! :excited:I really like your team this season, FWIW. Where is Staten
No Staten for WVU today though. :frown:
Anyway, excited to see how they do against this TCU squad.
Sidelined due to illness.
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2015, 06:18:43 PM
Post by: cDubya on January 03, 2015, 06:27:48 PM
Angel competing against Virginia
#PressVirginia, baby! :emawkid: (I've been here like 3 years. Give me a blue and gold one already!)
*just realized you actually are talking about UVA, and that Angel kid you guys didn't get or something. Carry on...
Post by: nicname on January 03, 2015, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: EMAWican on January 03, 2015, 06:33:56 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2015, 06:39:21 PM
Omg. Angel for FTs to tie. What a gameRemember when people suggested Angel was scared of competition from Foster?
Post by: EMAWzified on January 03, 2015, 06:56:55 PM
Only a few really stupid people.Omg. Angel for FTs to tie. What a gameRemember when people suggested Angel was scared of competition from Foster?
Post by: nicname on January 03, 2015, 07:16:06 PM
Frank's Gamecocks have now won seven in a row.
Post by: bones129 on January 03, 2015, 07:17:21 PM
Post by: Trim on January 03, 2015, 07:26:55 PM
KSU was ranked under Wooldridge, more than once IIRC.
I got to tell 1/4 of the team about it in MIS class once.
Post by: wetwillie on January 03, 2015, 08:00:59 PM
South Carolina upends #9 Iowa State 64-60.
Frank's Gamecocks have now won seven in a row.
attendance: 3,456
:lol:
Post by: Trim on January 03, 2015, 08:15:31 PM
South Carolina upends #9 Iowa State 64-60.
Frank's Gamecocks have now won seven in a row.
attendance: 3,456
:lol:
You omitted something.
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Barclays Center, Brooklyn, New York
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Only a few really stupid people.Omg. Angel for FTs to tie. What a gameRemember when people suggested Angel was scared of competition from Foster?
I only remember fanning suggesting that
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2015, 08:28:28 PM
Post by: sys on January 04, 2015, 06:33:55 AM
Omg. Angel for FTs to tie. What a gameRemember when people suggested Angel was scared of competition from Foster?
it was thomas, actually. "they" said thomas.
Post by: BWebbs0 on January 04, 2015, 03:43:43 PM
Post by: nicname on January 05, 2015, 09:50:48 PM
Post by: bones129 on January 05, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
Should we have a separate Big 12 thread apart from this master thread?
:thumbs:
Post by: wetwillie on January 05, 2015, 10:05:15 PM
Post by: bones129 on January 05, 2015, 11:31:36 PM
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2015, 09:53:46 AM
Decent seats for tOSU @ Indiana
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 11:12:53 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapatalk.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F15%2F01%2F10%2Fbc78361a7a68819692ad28e532e0e891.jpg&hash=fb403af8e0f15c83a25796e83a9b55c29cd053e8)
Decent seats for tOSU @ Indiana
That photo was taken over an hour before tipoff
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2015, 11:21:55 AM
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Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2015, 11:24:55 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2015, 11:41:38 AM
Are you sitting right in front of where loving just got hurt?Yeah, looked like he just slammed it hard from here. Did they show a replay?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 11:57:02 AM
Are you sitting right in front of where loving just got hurt?Yeah, looked like he just slammed it hard from here. Did they show a replay?
Yeah he just hit the goal pretty hard
Post by: nicname on January 10, 2015, 01:26:03 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 01:45:06 PM
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2015, 02:00:57 PM
8mp, noise-level comparo to OOD era fOOD?Very loud at times. Their students don't get true season tickets, they get like 8 game packages which don't include games over break. Since there was no real student section, it didn't compare to OOD anger and constant noise. They have very good and knowledgeable fans, they just don't boo nearly enough. Kind of comparable to AFH in that it is a good crowd with far less student influence than the OOD.
It was a great atmosphere, and I will probably be back for MSU in March. It will be interesting to see the difference the students make.
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2015, 02:12:33 PM
Post by: nicname on January 10, 2015, 02:13:03 PM
8mp, noise-level comparo to OOD era fOOD?Very loud at times. Their students don't get true season tickets, they get like 8 game packages which don't include games over break. Since there was no real student section, it didn't compare to OOD anger and constant noise. They have very good and knowledgeable fans, they just don't boo nearly enough. Kind of comparable to AFH in that it is a good crowd with far less student influence than the OOD.
It was a great atmosphere, and I will probably be back for MSU in March. It will be interesting to see the difference the students make.
Such an odd venue. Definitely would love to go to a game there.
Post by: nicname on January 10, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
To sum up, OOD when we beat Texas at home was the loudest basketball arena I've been in by far
That was loud, especially after Rod's dunk.
Post by: nicname on January 10, 2015, 02:30:02 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
Pretty ammped up for this potential court-storming in College Station.
Oh you're that guy that wants good things to happen for the bad people of A&M. BTW for those that didn't see the Kentucky v. A&M game; A&M wore, the players not the fans, stupid shirts that said "Heart Over Hype."
Post by: nicname on January 10, 2015, 03:17:29 PM
Pretty ammped up for this potential court-storming in College Station.
Oh you're that guy that wants good things to happen for the bad people of A&M. BTW for those that didn't see the Kentucky v. A&M game; A&M wore, the players not the fans, stupid shirts that said "Heart Over Hype."
Just like court stormings. Also like comparing them (usually pud in comparo) to KSU stormings.
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
A couple Ohio state guys wore those in warmupsPretty ammped up for this potential court-storming in College Station.
Oh you're that guy that wants good things to happen for the bad people of A&M. BTW for those that didn't see the Kentucky v. A&M game; A&M wore, the players not the fans, stupid shirts that said "Heart Over Hype."
Post by: nicname on January 10, 2015, 03:49:15 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 06:03:51 PM
Doesn't make sense. Isn't heart over hype an Adidas thing?
All addidas teams wore those dumbass shirts today
Post by: nicname on January 11, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on January 11, 2015, 01:27:29 PM
To sum up, OOD when we beat Texas at home was the loudest basketball arena I've been in by far
That was loud, especially after Rod's dunk.
Yeah, that one, Beasley's year vs KU and Jake destroying KU are the loudest games I remember.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 11, 2015, 02:28:27 PM
To sum up, OOD when we beat Texas at home was the loudest basketball arena I've been in by far
That was loud, especially after Rod's dunk.
Yeah, that one, Beasley's year vs KU and Jake destroying KU are the loudest games I remember.
Oregon Beasley's year was loud. Probably the loudest non-con game.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 11, 2015, 04:30:50 PM
To sum up, OOD when we beat Texas at home was the loudest basketball arena I've been in by far
That was loud, especially after Rod's dunk.
Yeah, that one, Beasley's year vs KU and Jake destroying KU are the loudest games I remember.
Oregon Beasley's year was loud. Probably the loudest non-con game.
No way. The basketball marathon game against Virginia Tech was awesome, there was also some weird NYE game against like Hampton, full of townies that was oddly loud.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 11, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on January 11, 2015, 08:54:28 PM
I've never been to an even remotely loud ksu basketball game
they were fun and i miss them :cry:
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 12, 2015, 02:22:53 AM
I've never been to an even remotely loud ksu basketball game
What are the games you've been to that you expected to be loud? Just wondering.
Post by: Skipper44 on January 13, 2015, 09:27:09 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2015, 09:47:39 PM
I've never been to an even remotely loud ksu basketball game
What are the games you've been to that you expected to be loud? Just wondering.
I didn't expect any of them to be loud, it was just a statement
Post by: SdK on January 13, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
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Post by: bones129 on January 13, 2015, 11:28:37 PM
#13
:thumbs:
Post by: geesiskryst on January 14, 2015, 07:50:14 PM
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Post by: pissclams on January 14, 2015, 07:52:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
Baylor gonna Baylor. :opcat:
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It's a pretty shitty white out. Also lol at only having to give out 5000, they'll definitely have some left over
Post by: PowercatPat on January 14, 2015, 09:51:10 PM
Post by: SdK on January 14, 2015, 09:55:41 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 14, 2015, 10:26:10 PM
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Post by: 8manpick on January 15, 2015, 02:45:59 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ncaa-basketball-dick-vitale-kentucky-wildcats-virginia-cavaliers-gonzaga-bulldogs-villanova-wisconsin-badgers-louisville-cardinals-arizona-utah-utes-kansas-jayhawks-notre-dame-fighting-irish-maryland/Yeah, have we discussed the Frank Mason video here?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 15, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ncaa-basketball-dick-vitale-kentucky-wildcats-virginia-cavaliers-gonzaga-bulldogs-villanova-wisconsin-badgers-louisville-cardinals-arizona-utah-utes-kansas-jayhawks-notre-dame-fighting-irish-maryland/Yeah, have we discussed the Frank Mason video here?
I'm not sure, it seems like it would merit gE discussion.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on January 15, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
"grasping at straws" and "piggybacking off someone else's talent" are phrases that come readilyhttp://grantland.com/the-triangle/ncaa-basketball-dick-vitale-kentucky-wildcats-virginia-cavaliers-gonzaga-bulldogs-villanova-wisconsin-badgers-louisville-cardinals-arizona-utah-utes-kansas-jayhawks-notre-dame-fighting-irish-maryland/Yeah, have we discussed the Frank Mason video here?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 17, 2015, 10:29:14 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 17, 2015, 10:36:28 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on January 17, 2015, 11:06:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 17, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
Is he buds Trevor Releford?
I don't think so. He still lived in Spearville when he started his recruitment. He was only in Olathe for a year or two. He also played for Mo-Kan, and I think the Releford's played for Pump and Run.
His rivals profile shows an Alabama offer but none of the articles I read indicated that they were much of a factor. If you believe the KU people he was waiting for an offer from them that never came. I do remember his UK offer came much later than ours, we felt we had him but we would lose him if/when the UK or KU offer came. Cal went to his football games and all that stuff but still slow played the offer.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 17, 2015, 11:37:45 PM
Jay Harris on Sportscenter claimed that Willie Cauley-Stein was "set to sign with Alabama" before visiting Kentucky at the last minute. Wat :confused:Yea, I don't think that is true. Brad Underwood coached Willie dad at Juco. I also heard we had somethings to do with having Willie going KC for his senior year, but can't really confirm it. Heard KU coaching staff didn't even consider offering Willie also. Frank end up saying he thought Willie was a better prospect than Ellis.
Post by: Skipper44 on January 17, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 17, 2015, 11:49:50 PM
I seems odd we would have anything to do with him moving in with the Shields, I don't think we recruited Shavon at all
We didn't. Willie and the Shields family became acquainted when Willie played for Mo-Kan while still living in Spearville. His family was struggling a bit and the Shields' took him in.
Post by: 8manpick on January 23, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 23, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
I seems odd we would have anything to do with him moving in with the Shields, I don't think we recruited Shavon at allNot a lot of ppl recruited Shavon, which is weird, because I felt like he was the best player on that HS team. Obviously Willie had more upside, but he was tall, skinny, and gangly in HS and kinda uncoordinated.
Post by: Mr Bread on January 23, 2015, 03:39:47 PM
Fighting Breads just added a student manager to their roster :eek:
Yeah, we are missing three starters to injury presently, one of whom was leading the team in scoring, rebounding, steals, fg% and 3pt%. :eek: Still surprised we beat Maryland and Purdue and won on the road at NW. Should have beaten IU, but caved at the end.
:emawkid: (but orange and blue and with a big dick)
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Post by: nicname on January 25, 2015, 03:12:26 PM
great game
NCAA Tournament feel.
Post by: pissclams on January 25, 2015, 03:17:10 PM
Gus makes awesome things awesomer
Post by: renocat on January 25, 2015, 11:56:01 PM
Fighting Breads just added a student manager to their roster :eek:I am impressed with Illinois. Most teams would of caved with these injuries. Groce sounds like a cool dude giving a kid a chance to be a walk on - this is why college BB is so much better than NBA:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 29, 2015, 10:22:22 PM
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Post by: nicname on January 30, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
Krzyzewski doesn't mince words when speaking of the dismissal.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12249502/duke-blue-devils-dismiss-junior-rasheed-sulaimon
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"Rasheed has been unable to consistently live up to the standards required to be a member of our program," coach Mike Krzyzewski said in a release. "It is a privilege to represent Duke University and with that privilege comes the responsibility to conduct oneself in a certain manner. After Rasheed repeatedly struggled to meet the necessary obligations, it became apparent that it was time to dismiss him from the program."
Post by: Yard Dog on January 30, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
Sulaimon gone.
Krzyzewski doesn't mince words when speaking of the dismissal.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12249502/duke-blue-devils-dismiss-junior-rasheed-sulaimonQuote"Rasheed has been unable to consistently live up to the standards required to be a member of our program," coach Mike Krzyzewski said in a release. "It is a privilege to represent Duke University and with that privilege comes the responsibility to conduct oneself in a certain manner. After Rasheed repeatedly struggled to meet the necessary obligations, it became apparent that it was time to dismiss him from the program."
Future oscar Cat?
Post by: Mr Bread on January 30, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 31, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 31, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
No burger boys clams.
Post by: CyberToothCat on January 31, 2015, 12:57:26 PM
Sulaimon gone.
Krzyzewski doesn't mince words when speaking of the dismissal.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12249502/duke-blue-devils-dismiss-junior-rasheed-sulaimonQuote"Rasheed has been unable to consistently live up to the standards required to be a member of our program," coach Mike Krzyzewski said in a release. "It is a privilege to represent Duke University and with that privilege comes the responsibility to conduct oneself in a certain manner. After Rasheed repeatedly struggled to meet the necessary obligations, it became apparent that it was time to dismiss him from the program."
Future oscar Cat?
I'm betting Ames.
Post by: kso_FAN on January 31, 2015, 03:16:37 PM
No.12 WSU and No. 18 UNI:
This is the first time 2 ranked teams have met in the Valley in 33 years.
Post by: bones129 on January 31, 2015, 03:25:19 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on January 31, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Post by: TownieCat on February 02, 2015, 10:23:13 AM
Sad news about VCU's Weber. He was one of those random college basketball players that was always fun to watch. Only 12 steals away from the D1 record, too. :frown:
Post by: mocat on February 02, 2015, 10:52:51 AM
Will Kunkel ?@KWCHWill 4m4 minutes ago
No.12 WSU and No. 18 UNI:
This is the first time 2 ranked teams have met in the Valley in 33 years.
:confused:
Post by: Gooch on February 02, 2015, 12:25:46 PM
Will Kunkel ?@KWCHWill 4m4 minutes ago:sdeek: That is absurd.
No.12 WSU and No. 18 UNI:
This is the first time 2 ranked teams have met in the Valley in 33 years.
edit: On a side note that Will Kunkel is un-rough ridin' watchable on Sports Sunday.
Post by: Prince McJunkins on February 02, 2015, 02:25:38 PM
Will Kunkel ?@KWCHWill 4m4 minutes agoI watched this game. WSU doesn't have a lot of depth this year. Still, they're a pretty good team in a lousy conference. I could see them being a sweet 16 type of team.
No.12 WSU and No. 18 UNI:
This is the first time 2 ranked teams have met in the Valley in 33 years.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: nicname on February 02, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
Will Kunkel ?@KWCHWill 4m4 minutes ago:sdeek: That is absurd.
No.12 WSU and No. 18 UNI:
This is the first time 2 ranked teams have met in the Valley in 33 years.
edit: On a side note that Will Kunkel is un-rough ridin' watchable on Sports Sunday.
Wichita Sports personalities ranked?
Post by: Tobias on February 02, 2015, 05:34:37 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on February 07, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
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Post by: sys on February 07, 2015, 02:50:33 PM
Post by: Pete on February 07, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
Great interaction itt. Just fantastic. #community
OK, OK. Nice win.
Post by: Mr Bread on February 07, 2015, 03:09:40 PM
after texas southern beats a team, there's not much to discuss when additional teams beat that team.
Fun hater.
Post by: pvegs on February 07, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Great interaction itt. Just fantastic. #community
I agree with Sys. We are basically all the same dogshit team. Who cares.
Post by: Mr Bread on February 07, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Great interaction itt. Just fantastic. #community
OK, OK. Nice win.
Thanks Pete. Feels good, feels real good.
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2015, 08:09:26 PM
Florida state sandstorming their balls off
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
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Post by: Tobias on February 10, 2015, 09:29:15 PM
Post by: nicname on February 11, 2015, 02:00:09 PM
What a character. It's almost unreal what he was able to do at a bunch of western backwater schools.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2015, 02:13:45 PM
Tark the Shark.
What a character. It's almost unreal what he was able to do at a bunch of western backwater schools.
College basketball was so much more fun in the 80's and 90s, it was the golden era of coaches and coaching personalities. College basketball is so sterile now.
Post by: pissclams on February 11, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cdn.turner.com%2Fsi%2Fmultimedia%2Fphoto_gallery%2F1009%2Fncaab.most.compelling.teams.since.91.unlv%2Fimages%2F1991-unlv-larry-johnson-stacey-augmon.jpg&hash=6567517839678c6e2a34081cb17be5adfe0f0103)
Post by: nicname on February 11, 2015, 03:20:24 PM
Tark the Shark.
What a character. It's almost unreal what he was able to do at a bunch of western backwater schools.
College basketball was so much more fun in the 80's and 90s, it was the golden era of coaches and coaching personalities. College basketball is so sterile now.
Also the golden age of stud players.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
Tark the Shark.
What a character. It's almost unreal what he was able to do at a bunch of western backwater schools.
College basketball was so much more fun in the 80's and 90s, it was the golden era of coaches and coaching personalities. College basketball is so sterile now.
It's crazy because there were no early entry rules, NBA teams just didn't draft high school kids because NBA players looked like this
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwanttobeanowner.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F10%2FImage1.jpg&hash=2192b36573fd177b5de2f64ce93b4fc3ba9eb841)
Also the golden age of stud players.
Post by: uncle clean jeans on February 11, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Post by: nicname on February 11, 2015, 10:26:53 PM
Post by: CHONGS on February 12, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on February 12, 2015, 10:17:12 PM
Oskie wow wow guys. Big game esta noche!
BeeYAAUH!! Breads win! :bball: :excited:
Post by: CHONGS on February 12, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2015, 10:59:34 PM
Spit ball implications . . . GO!
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 12, 2015, 11:04:38 PM
Regional Sports Talk Radio had lots of talk about shortening the shot clock.I think we talk about this. But I personally think it would muddy up the game.
Spit ball implications . . . GO!
I would like to continuation to be added to the college game and extend the 3 point line to the FIBA standard. I would also like the officials to have an emphasis at calling fouls at the rim, shot blockers get away with too much.
Post by: pissclams on February 13, 2015, 07:40:17 AM
Post by: 0.42 on February 13, 2015, 07:42:30 AM
Post by: CHONGS on February 13, 2015, 08:51:52 AM
Post by: nicname on February 13, 2015, 09:04:18 AM
groce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
Post by: pissclams on February 13, 2015, 10:27:58 AM
groce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
hey look at you!
but anyway, just like oscar used to do
Post by: nicname on February 13, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
groce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
hey look at you!
but anyway, just like oscar used to do
Don't you big-time me you tall sonofabitch.
Post by: pissclams on February 13, 2015, 11:00:12 AM
groce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
hey look at you!
but anyway, just like oscar used to do
Don't you big-time me you tall sonofabitch.
if what you're saying is that groce is basically oscar 2 then i agree
Post by: 8manpick on February 13, 2015, 11:12:39 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 13, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
Southern Miss, home of Doc, had to finish a game with only 4 players
Even better that Doc started that game with only 7 players in uniform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BchL4ihXC8#t=151
Post by: Mr Bread on February 13, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
groce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
hey look at you!
but anyway, just like oscar used to do
Don't you big-time me you tall sonofabitch.
if what you're saying is that groce is basically oscar 2 then i agree
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.news-gazette.com%2Fsites%2Fall%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fphotogallery_full%2Fimages%2F2011%2F03%2F18%2F0223spororange.jpg&hash=b4334a82a03ba467993c4425e1985fb802229a4f) v2.0
:love:
Post by: Skipper44 on February 13, 2015, 12:47:23 PM
that hair! and so thingroce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
hey look at you!
but anyway, just like oscar used to do
Don't you big-time me you tall sonofabitch.
if what you're saying is that groce is basically oscar 2 then i agree
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.news-gazette.com%2Fsites%2Fall%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fphotogallery_full%2Fimages%2F2011%2F03%2F18%2F0223spororange.jpg&hash=b4334a82a03ba467993c4425e1985fb802229a4f) v2.0
:love:
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 13, 2015, 12:51:27 PM
groce's sports coat was orange, just like oscar used to do
And Self, and Kruger, and Henson, and probably every Illinois coach ever.
Actually, can't find any pics of Kruger in the orange.
hey look at you!
but anyway, just like oscar used to do
Don't you big-time me you tall sonofabitch.
if what you're saying is that groce is basically oscar 2 then i agree
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.news-gazette.com%2Fsites%2Fall%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fphotogallery_full%2Fimages%2F2011%2F03%2F18%2F0223spororange.jpg&hash=b4334a82a03ba467993c4425e1985fb802229a4f) v2.0
:love:
He must literally believe any tie, shirt, and jacket goes together regardless of color or pattern.
Post by: nicname on February 14, 2015, 07:01:46 PM
Post by: nicname on February 14, 2015, 07:03:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2015, 07:11:55 PM
When did Dave Armstrong start broadcasting C-USA bball on the American Sports Network?
what's the American Sports Network?
Post by: nicname on February 14, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
When did Dave Armstrong start broadcasting C-USA bball on the American Sports Network?
what's the American Sports Network?
They do CUSA, IVY and a bunch of other lower conference games. I'd never heard of them before either. They're currently airing the UNT vs MTSU game with no sound.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2015, 10:50:11 AM
When did Dave Armstrong start broadcasting C-USA bball on the American Sports Network?
All season, he has spare time since the Big 12 network was sadly killed
Post by: nicname on February 15, 2015, 10:54:21 AM
When did Dave Armstrong start broadcasting C-USA bball on the American Sports Network?
All season, he has spare time since the Big 12 network was sadly killed
It's very sad indeed.
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2015, 11:12:53 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2015, 11:32:34 AM
I'm surprised he hasn't been doing more B12 games with Reid Gettys and Coach Z
Maybe ESPN is uncomfortable giving him games since he is a paid employee of KU
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2015, 11:37:11 AM
I'm surprised he hasn't been doing more B12 games with Reid Gettys and Coach Z
Maybe ESPN is uncomfortable giving him games since he is a paid employee of KU
well, it seemed like he did more ESPNU games last year. I could be misremembering games Mitch called as his.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 15, 2015, 12:45:04 PM
I'm surprised he hasn't been doing more B12 games with Reid Gettys and Coach Z
Maybe ESPN is uncomfortable giving him games since he is a paid employee of KU
And sucks. . . .WOW
Post by: Pete on February 15, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Post by: bones129 on February 15, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
Post by: Pete on February 15, 2015, 01:22:20 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 15, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2015, 11:20:28 PM
I'm surprised he hasn't been doing more B12 games with Reid Gettys and Coach Z
Maybe ESPN is uncomfortable giving him games since he is a paid employee of KU
well, it seemed like he did more ESPNU games last year. I could be misremembering games Mitch called as his.
I may very well be mistaken but I think this is the first year he's been the p-b-p guy for the tier 3 KU games. Anyway that's neither here nor there. Even though the Big 12 network was an ESPN property, it wasn't ran from Bristol, it was run by ESPN regional out of Charlotte. They hired the talent including the studio guys, when the people in Bristol took over the Big 12 games they made the decision to largely use the talent they already had so that meant that the ESPN regional guys, especially the p-b-p guys, either got let go or have reduced roles.
Post by: nicname on February 15, 2015, 11:55:25 PM
Could D.A. be getting some extra voice work on late-night TV?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN13IrMs_S4
Post by: michigancat on February 16, 2015, 01:03:20 AM
I'm surprised he hasn't been doing more B12 games with Reid Gettys and Coach Z
Maybe ESPN is uncomfortable giving him games since he is a paid employee of KU
well, it seemed like he did more ESPNU games last year. I could be misremembering games Mitch called as his.
I may very well be mistaken but I think this is the first year he's been the p-b-p guy for the tier 3 KU games. Anyway that's neither here nor there. Even though the Big 12 network was an ESPN property, it wasn't ran from Bristol, it was run by ESPN regional out of Charlotte. They hired the talent including the studio guys, when the people in Bristol took over the Big 12 games they made the decision to largely use the talent they already had so that meant that the ESPN regional guys, especially the p-b-p guys, either got let go or have reduced roles.
He's done KU tier 3 games as long as I can remember. But yeah, the rest makes sense.
Post by: pissclams on February 17, 2015, 06:41:39 PM
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Post by: j rake on February 18, 2015, 11:50:17 AM
Ben Jones ?@Ben_Jones88
This season has been as "what if" that I can remember for Penn State. 15 wins, but Big Ten losses by 2,3,3,4,6,6,7 and 7(OT) points.
Ben Jones ?@Ben_Jones88
Penn State wins half of those coin-flip games and we're talking about 19 wins with at least six more games to play.
Post by: Skipper44 on February 18, 2015, 12:57:17 PM
Penn State's Pat Chambers is the Wooly of the East.Chamber's resume is light years better than Wooly's, he at least spent 5 good years recruiting at a high major. I will admit the conference record is looking very similar, does he karaoke to Will Smith songs?
Ben Jones ?@Ben_Jones88
This season has been as "what if" that I can remember for Penn State. 15 wins, but Big Ten losses by 2,3,3,4,6,6,7 and 7(OT) points.
Ben Jones ?@Ben_Jones88
Penn State wins half of those coin-flip games and we're talking about 19 wins with at least six more games to play.
Post by: joda on February 18, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 18, 2015, 07:58:11 PM
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Post by: Tobias on February 18, 2015, 10:12:32 PM
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Post by: bones129 on February 18, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 18, 2015, 10:37:04 PM
Jay Bilas is in love with himself.he's a great announcer
Post by: pissclams on February 18, 2015, 10:37:22 PM
Post by: nicname on February 18, 2015, 10:40:40 PM
Post by: bones129 on February 18, 2015, 10:42:14 PM
Jay Bilas is in love with himself.he's a great announcer
He's still in love with himself.
Post by: Tobias on February 18, 2015, 10:42:44 PM
Post by: j rake on February 18, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Post by: nicname on February 18, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
almost impossible to reach 90 percent consensus on Twitter, but seemed like 9 of every 10 people wanted Dickie V to be calling this Duke-UNC game rather than Bilas.
I like Vitale.
Post by: bones129 on February 18, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
almost impossible to reach 90 percent consensus on Twitter, but seemed like 9 of every 10 people wanted Dickie V to be calling this Duke-UNC game rather than Bilas.
I like Vitale.
I like him better than Bilas.
Post by: Tobias on February 18, 2015, 10:54:26 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2015, 12:03:55 AM
almost impossible to reach 90 percent consensus on Twitter, but seemed like 9 of every 10 people wanted Dickie V to be calling this Duke-UNC game rather than Bilas.
people are idiots, most of those morons probably bitched about vitale last year
Post by: pissclams on February 19, 2015, 07:17:56 AM
everything that the duke-carolina game gave to college basketball last night was raped away from it by oscar rough ridin' weber and his shitty coaching staff.
Post by: SdK on February 21, 2015, 06:30:53 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: The Big Train on February 21, 2015, 06:34:23 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 21, 2015, 06:37:50 PM
they are just putting a complete ass beating on everyone they play ever
Post by: SdK on February 21, 2015, 06:43:32 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: SdK on February 21, 2015, 06:49:33 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: wetwillie on February 21, 2015, 06:56:30 PM
Does anyone think they won't go undefeated?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I don't think they are unbeatable in the tournament. Any of the top ten could beat them if they have an off night.
Post by: Mr Bread on February 21, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
they are just putting a complete ass beating on everyone they play ever
They've played one ot game, one double ot game and a one possession game against sec bubble teams this year.
Post by: Mr Bread on February 21, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
Does anyone think they won't go undefeated?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
They won't.
Post by: SdK on February 21, 2015, 07:05:51 PM
I agree. They are not unbeatable. I just don't think they will lose.Does anyone think they won't go undefeated?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I don't think they are unbeatable in the tournament. Any of the top ten could beat them if they have an off night.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: SdK on February 21, 2015, 07:06:09 PM
Ok!Does anyone think they won't go undefeated?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
They won't.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: kso_FAN on February 21, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
Post by: mocat on February 23, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
Quote
The fancy locker room at Hendricks Training Complex — with its multiple big-screen TVs and pool table and smoothie bar and leather lounge chairs and heated towel racks and I-pod shower plug-ins — is closed.
“There will be chains on the doors locking it from the outside,” Miles said, “until further notice.”
So where will the players dress?
“Good luck,” Miles said, glaring. “They’re creative.”
:lol:
Post by: Yard Dog on February 23, 2015, 11:45:20 AM
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/huskers-effort-disappoints-miles-in-loss-to-hawkeyes/article_eaf2cb16-badb-11e4-820c-6f034d31be6b.html (http://www.omaha.com/huskers/huskers-effort-disappoints-miles-in-loss-to-hawkeyes/article_eaf2cb16-badb-11e4-820c-6f034d31be6b.html)QuoteThe fancy locker room at Hendricks Training Complex — with its multiple big-screen TVs and pool table and smoothie bar and leather lounge chairs and heated towel racks and I-pod shower plug-ins — is closed.
“There will be chains on the doors locking it from the outside,” Miles said, “until further notice.”
So where will the players dress?
“Good luck,” Miles said, glaring. “They’re creative.”
:lol:
Reading that article reminded me a lot of Bruceketball except at this point I'd rather have Miles than Weber. :frown:
Post by: kso_FAN on February 24, 2015, 10:05:22 PM
Post by: SdK on February 25, 2015, 08:08:41 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: SdK on February 25, 2015, 08:22:59 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: Dub on February 25, 2015, 08:29:11 PM
2nd OT my God. Check these highlights later guys. Insanity
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I bet on VCU, this game is killing me
Post by: SdK on February 25, 2015, 08:49:42 PM
Lo siento2nd OT my God. Check these highlights later guys. Insanity
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I bet on VCU, this game is killing me
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: Dub on February 25, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
Lo siento2nd OT my God. Check these highlights later guys. Insanity
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I bet on VCU, this game is killing me
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I know, right? Cmon Shaka. Really wish they wouldn't have fouled up 3 at the end of reg.
Only $50 though, I raked the last UFC Fight Night last weekend though.
Post by: SdK on February 25, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
Or if they could have covered thar white guy on the inbounds.Lo siento2nd OT my God. Check these highlights later guys. Insanity
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I bet on VCU, this game is killing me
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I know, right? Cmon Shaka. Really wish they wouldn't have fouled up 3 at the end of reg.
Only $50 though, I raked the last UFC Fight Night last weekend though.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: pissclams on February 25, 2015, 09:42:30 PM
Post by: EMAWzified on February 25, 2015, 09:51:54 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2015, 10:45:50 PM
I wonder what the chances are Buzz Williams could be our coach if our AD did anything other than hookers and blow in that Dallas hotel room?
Well if he would have brought those gross ass middle school jerseys with the school nickname on the back like he did at VT; I'm glad we didn't get him, disgusting.
Post by: sys on February 26, 2015, 12:59:47 AM
Post by: Trogdor on February 26, 2015, 01:35:28 AM
https://twitter.com/sn_ncaab/status/569352963971354625
This is rough ridin awesome.
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2015, 10:59:12 AM
Post by: pissclams on February 26, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
some freshman at FSU scored 30 points in the final 5 minutes vs Angel, but Angel's team still won
they're going to be my adopted NCAA tournament team
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 26, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
we could hire him tomorrow.
would take.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 26, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/570430811842875392
You like the shot clock being reduced to 30?
Post by: BostonPancake on February 26, 2015, 10:35:20 PM
9 points.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400593331 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400593331)
Post by: catzacker on February 27, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/570430811842875392
why is this? any rational explanation for this trend? in part, has the emphasis on hand-checking/perimeter defense caused less possessions?
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2015, 08:38:03 AM
In theory, I suppose more non-shooting fouls could be called leading to longer possessions. I think it's just overcoaching though.https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/570430811842875392
why is this? any rational explanation for this trend? in part, has the emphasis on hand-checking/perimeter defense caused less possessions?
Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2015, 09:08:00 AM
It looks to me like the numbers just continued on the trends they were on before. Last year before conference play the "rules changes" were enforced a little bit which changed efficiency, turnovers, and free throw rate, but it went back to "normal" by conference play and this year was more of the same.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg903%2F7206%2F12OrVs.gif&hash=c8e2d486190cc42545916c7110b94339a6edb39c)
Post by: TownieCat on February 27, 2015, 10:11:00 AM
http://www.thesundevils.com/ViewContent.dbml?CONTENT_ID=1157478&DB_OEM_ID=30300#GAME.BX1 (http://www.thesundevils.com/ViewContent.dbml?CONTENT_ID=1157478&DB_OEM_ID=30300#GAME.BX1)
Post by: Cire on February 27, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
sagarin has our schedule as number 2. who knew
kenpom says 7. Opponent's O SOS is #25 and opponent's D SOS is #5. And that's after our OOC SOS was only 196.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 27, 2015, 02:14:19 PM
sagarin has our schedule as number 2. who knew
kenpom says 7. Opponent's O SOS is #25 and opponent's D SOS is #5. And that's after our OOC SOS was only 196.
Also, think are schedule is deceptively hard because we spent way too much time on the road. That is completely on the coaching staff.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
sagarin has our schedule as number 2. who knew
kenpom says 7. Opponent's O SOS is #25 and opponent's D SOS is #5. And that's after our OOC SOS was only 196.
Also, think are schedule is deceptively hard because we spent way too much time on the road. That is completely on the coaching staff.
Yeah, we had more jet lag than any other team in America.
Post by: Yard Dog on February 27, 2015, 03:52:53 PM
sagarin has our schedule as number 2. who knew
kenpom says 7. Opponent's O SOS is #25 and opponent's D SOS is #5. And that's after our OOC SOS was only 196.
Also, think are schedule is deceptively hard because we spent way too much time on the road. That is completely on the coaching staff.
Yeah, we had more jet lag than any other team in America.
Jet Laggie :frown:
Post by: nicname on February 27, 2015, 03:57:42 PM
2nd OT my God. Check these highlights later guys. Insanity
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I went away from this game when VCU was down 12 in the second half. Disappointed I missed it.
Post by: SdK on February 27, 2015, 05:09:17 PM
Was definitely worth that watch man.2nd OT my God. Check these highlights later guys. Insanity
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I went away from this game when VCU was down 12 in the second half. Disappointed I missed it.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2015, 06:24:11 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2015, 07:03:36 PM
sagarin has our schedule as number 2. who knew
kenpom says 7. Opponent's O SOS is #25 and opponent's D SOS is #5. And that's after our OOC SOS was only 196.
Also, think are schedule is deceptively hard because we spent way too much time on the road. That is completely on the coaching staff.
What? Are you confusing K-State with Savannah State? We played 2 non-conference road games.
Post by: cDubya on February 28, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
sagarin has our schedule as number 2. who knew
kenpom says 7. Opponent's O SOS is #25 and opponent's D SOS is #5. And that's after our OOC SOS was only 196.
Also, think are schedule is deceptively hard because we spent way too much time on the road. That is completely on the coaching staff.
Yeah, we had more jet lag than any other team in America.
I'm not gonna do all the distance checks, you all did play @Pitt, @Tennessee, and out to Long Beach, but would that top coming out to the Midwest every week or 2 for the whole conference schedule? Oh, and there was also the trip to Puerto Rico in November, lol.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 28, 2015, 09:53:44 PM
Post by: cDubya on February 28, 2015, 09:55:41 PM
We played Pitt in maui
Well, crap. :dunno:
Post by: cDubya on February 28, 2015, 10:02:27 PM
Post by: Cire on February 28, 2015, 10:04:09 PM
Post by: nicname on March 01, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
He makes some good points, but mixing tempo free and traditional stats is weird. Still, this does come down to coaches wanting to be in control
Plus, looking at stats since 2002 its logical to deduce several things.
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1) Coaches are always concerned about turnovers, and over-coaching has achieved the desired result of reducing TO%.
2) Coaches don't like giving up transition points, and it would appear gradually teams have reduced the number of oboarders, thus OR% has continually dropped.
3) The foul rules worked, but for only 1 year. Pace efficiency (and FT rate) spiked back up while TO% dropped more than expected, but now everything is back to where things were before the rules changes.
The rules on fouling worked, but most coaches didn't like it, and the officials changed back to what coaches like (physical play). It will be interesting to see what effect a shorter shot clock actually has if the rules on fouls stay the same.
Also, most people think of "over-coaching" manifesting itself on the offensive end, and this is true. However, the principle of "tough man to man defense" which many coaches emphasize now shows itself in the physical play we see today. Of course, this happens because officials allow it, so it creates a vicious circle.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 01:30:37 PM
seth davis just wrote a 2,000-word column trying to explain why scoring is down and he didn't even bring up the most obvious reason.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
as usual, the morons that are trying to 'fix' college basketball are looking in all the wrong places.
seth davis just wrote a 2,000-word column trying to explain why scoring is down and he didn't even bring up the most obvious reason.
Yeah. Its clear that enforcing the rules on fouling was working perfectly, but coaches said I want to play my tough man defense and the officials caved.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 02, 2015, 01:42:53 PM
as usual, the morons that are trying to 'fix' college basketball are looking in all the wrong places.Davis wants to throw water on a grease Fire.
seth davis just wrote a 2,000-word column trying to explain why scoring is down and he didn't even bring up the most obvious reason.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 01:44:23 PM
as usual, the morons that are trying to 'fix' college basketball are looking in all the wrong places.
seth davis just wrote a 2,000-word column trying to explain why scoring is down and he didn't even bring up the most obvious reason.
Yeah. Its clear that enforcing the rules on fouling was working perfectly, but coaches said I want to play my tough man defense and the officials caved.
again, i think they're looking in all the wrong places. shrinking the shot clock won't have a meaningful impact on scoring. the average offensive possession length is currently 18 seconds per possession. with rare exceptions, no team uses up more than 20 seconds on average.
everybody knows you don't need the full 35 seconds, but it's there if you want it. what will happen if there's a 30-second clock is you'll see teams bring more full-court pressure in an attempt to slow down offenses and get them ever closer to late-clock situations. with the current clock, every team that wants to get a shot off in time can largely get one.
if they decided to move the 3-pt line back as davis suggests, that would lead to more zone - and teams would constantly change up zones in an effort to confuse offenses. the fact that more teams are playing zone has led to the slow down. (it naturally takes up more time to get off a quality shot against a good zone). if you lengthen the 3-pt line, you'll see longer possessions than you currently see (tons of teams would scrap m2m entirely) and you'll see 3-pt shooting percentages drop to the low 30s or, for some teams, the upper 20s.
the real reason for the decline in scoring is use of analytics/better scouting. synergy technology has been a game changer for coaches in recent years. not all coaches were early adopters as the technology became available, but now it's a must-have at almost every program. prepping a team for a saturday-to-monday or thursday-to-saturday turnaround is far easier than it used to be. you can cut up plays easier than you ever could. in short, defenses know the opposing teams' offense/tendencies just as well as the opposing team itself by the time they take the floor.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
again, i think they're looking in all the wrong places. shrinking the shot clock won't have a meaningful impact on scoring. the average offensive possession length is currently 18 seconds per possession. with rare exceptions, no team uses up more than 20 seconds on average.
everybody knows you don't need the full 35 seconds, but it's there if you want it. what will happen if there's a 30-second clock is you'll see teams bring more full-court pressure in an attempt to slow down offenses and get them ever closer to late-clock situations. with the current clock, every team that wants to get a shot off in time can largely get one.
if they decided to move the 3-pt line back as davis suggests, that would lead to more zone - and teams would constantly change up zones in an effort to confuse offenses. the fact that more teams are playing zone has led to the slow down. (it naturally takes up more time to get off a quality shot against a good zone). if you lengthen the 3-pt line, you'll see longer possessions than you currently see (tons of teams would scrap m2m entirely) and you'll see 3-pt shooting percentages drop to the low 30s or, for some teams, the upper 20s.
the real reason for the decline in scoring is use of analytics/better scouting. synergy technology has been a game changer for coaches in recent years. not all coaches were early adopters as the technology became available, but now it's a must-have at almost every program. prepping a team for a saturday-to-monday or thursday-to-saturday turnaround is far easier than it used to be. you can cut up plays easier than you ever could. in short, defenses know the opposing teams' offense/tendencies just as well as the opposing team itself by the time they take the floor.
I agree with all that, and yes, advanced scouting has made a huge difference.
But I don't think the bump in every stat last year (except oboarding) was an anomaly. When certain fouls were emphasized the game was cleaner overall. Yes, FT rate jumped a bunch, but pace was higher, efficiency and shooting were better, and turnovers were down. It worked, and that statistical bump was mainly from 1/2 to 1/3 of the season because by the end of last year the game was back to where it was the year before. This seems pretty clear to me based on the numbers.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 02:01:55 PM
When certain fouls were emphasized the game was cleaner overall. Yes, FT rate jumped a bunch, but pace was higher, efficiency and shooting were better, and turnovers were down. It worked, and that statistical bump was mainly from 1/2 to 1/3 of the season because by the end of last year the game was back to where it was the year before. This seems pretty clear to me based on the numbers.
when the FT rate jumps, pace will be higher - but it's artificially higher. i wouldn't consider that to be good pace. in terms of watchability, i'd much prefer a northern iowa-missouri state game played at 55 tempo...but is free of whistles...than a stanford-oregon game played at 67 tempo but both teams are in the double bonus in both halves.
also, i think people are making too much of Year 1 observations with the rules changes. yes, there was more pace and higher efficiency with better shooting. but it's impossible to say if that would have continued into this year (i'd argue that it didn't continue through to the end of last year). there was much more zone being played last year (certainly as the season progressed) after coaches adjusted to the rules changes, and you've seen a huge increase in zone this year. among the reasons for teams playing more zone? an attempt to protect their players from getting into foul trouble...a direct result of the rules changes.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 02:10:31 PM
When certain fouls were emphasized the game was cleaner overall. Yes, FT rate jumped a bunch, but pace was higher, efficiency and shooting were better, and turnovers were down. It worked, and that statistical bump was mainly from 1/2 to 1/3 of the season because by the end of last year the game was back to where it was the year before. This seems pretty clear to me based on the numbers.
when the FT rate jumps, pace will be higher - but it's artificially higher. i wouldn't consider that to be good pace. in terms of watchability, i'd much prefer a northern iowa-missouri state game played at 55 tempo...but is free of whistles...than a stanford-oregon game played at 67 tempo but both teams are in the double bonus in both halves.
also, i think people are making too much of Year 1 observations with the rules changes. yes, there was more pace and higher efficiency with better shooting. but it's impossible to say if that would have continued into this year (i'd argue that it didn't continue through to the end of last year). there was much more zone being played last year (certainly as the season progressed) after coaches adjusted to the rules changes, and you've seen a huge increase in zone this year. among the reasons for teams playing more zone? an attempt to protect their players from getting into foul trouble...a direct result of the rules changes.
Good points.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
if you have a disproportionately high amount of foul fest finishes, scoring will increase (i.e., 20 points in final 2 minutes), efficiency will be artificially inflated (easy layups and late-game FT's boosting PPP #'s), and tempo will also rise. don't get me wrong, the increases won't be dramatic when you figure that thousands of games are being played. but it's surely enough to move the meter.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
i'd have to check on this, but i'd guess that 1H vs 2H scoring disparity last year was the highest in recent memory. when fouls are high, as they often were in the non-con (vegas totals in november and december were unbelievably inflated compared to january and february), you're naturally going to see more late-game shenanigans (foul fests, etc.) which is essentially pointless points in the final two minutes that look good on paper but add nothing to the game's watchability.
if you have a disproportionately high amount of foul fest finishes, scoring will increase (i.e., 20 points in final 2 minutes), efficiency will be artificially inflated (easy layups and late-game FT's boosting PPP #'s), and tempo will also rise. don't get me wrong, the increases won't be dramatic when you figure that thousands of games are being played. but it's surely enough to move the meter.
All true, but there were so many dramatic increases in tempo free stats last year that it doesn't seem like it can ALL be do to more FTs.
Post by: sys on March 02, 2015, 02:24:03 PM
3) The foul rules worked, but for only 1 year. Pace efficiency (and FT rate) spiked back up while TO% dropped more than expected, but now everything is back to where things were before the rules changes.
did pace and efficiency go up, if you remove the effect of increased ft rate? free thows cut possessions short and allow teams to score more efficiently. i'd like to see if there was any effect on the those variables aside from the impact of more free throws.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 02:25:38 PM
many coaches are taking more control of their teams late in games. in the big ten, i've regularly seen chris collins, john groce and tom crean tell their players to slow it down, and then their guards will take orders from the sideline while burning clock. this typically happens when games are close and when possessions become more important.
look at this indiana-northwestern game from last week, played at a 58 tempo: http://kenpom.com/winprob.php?g=4865
until the late foul fest, look at how spaced out the possesions were in the second half (for those unaware, you can tell by the #'s on the bottom of the chart). collins was ordering super-long possessions and nw rarely entered its offense until the 15 to 20-second mark. guess what! this was still an exciting game. the lack of tempo didn't take away from the game at all. in all honesty, it probably enhanced it.
in the first half, the game was wild. indiana made 10 3's and northwestern also made a handful. collins is smart enough to know that indiana gets 31 percent of its initial shot attempts in transition, and that 42 percent of those transition shot attempts are 3-pointers (where indiana converts at an absurd 40 percent rate). quite obviously, if you want to beat indiana, you can't let them run. that means you must concede offensive rebounds and get back on defense, slowing their transition opportunities and forcing them to play halfcourt offense (where they can struggle).
this to me is basketball at its best. i enjoyed the crap out of this game.
dana altman is another late-game clock bleeder. on paper, this oregon-washington game (http://kenpom.com/winprob.php?g=3883) looked like a snoozer. only 62 possessions! yet, the first half was played at a 67 pace - above average - before the 2nd half slowed way down as oregon slowed way down, choosing to value possessions and work for the best possible shot against a defense that continually broke down as it tried to adjust to life without robert upshaw.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 02:32:39 PM
free thows cut possessions short and allow teams to score more efficiently. i'd like to see if there was any effect on the those variables aside from the impact of more free throws.
free throws cut possessions short when it's an on-the-floor defensive foul and the offensive team is in the bonus. but there's likely to be three to four possessions prior to the bonus where fouls actually lengthen possessions for a given team (i.e., a handcheck foul with 8 seconds left on the shot clock, followed by a 25-second possession, becomes a 52-second offensive possession).
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 02:33:36 PM
3) The foul rules worked, but for only 1 year. Pace efficiency (and FT rate) spiked back up while TO% dropped more than expected, but now everything is back to where things were before the rules changes.
did pace and efficiency go up, if you remove the effect of increased ft rate? free thows cut possessions short and allow teams to score more efficiently. i'd like to see if there was any effect on the those variables aside from the impact of more free throws.
Again, good point. I'm not sure how to factor that in, but I did look at % of points scored from 2s, 3s, and FTs. There was a slight jump last year for FTs.
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Post by: sys on March 02, 2015, 02:36:49 PM
free throws cut possessions short when it's an on-the-floor defensive foul and the offensive team is in the bonus. but there's likely to be three to four possessions prior to the bonus where fouls actually lengthen possessions for a given team (i.e., a handcheck foul with 8 seconds left on the shot clock, followed by a 25-second possession, becomes a 52-second offensive possession).
don't think so. easy to check though. look at the %s of fouls that are shooting and player control vs. non shooting. and multiply by 7. i bet it's one or two (per half) vs five-ten (per half) shooting, post-bonus and player control.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
one other dumb observation (sorry, this topic interests me and i've spent plenty of time thinking about it)...
many coaches are taking more control of their teams late in games. in the big ten, i've regularly seen chris collins, john groce and tom crean tell their players to slow it down, and then their guards will take orders from the sideline while burning clock. this typically happens when games are close and when possessions become more important.
look at this indiana-northwestern game from last week, played at a 58 tempo: http://kenpom.com/winprob.php?g=4865
until the late foul fest, look at how spaced out the possesions were in the second half (for those unaware, you can tell by the #'s on the bottom of the chart). collins was ordering super-long possessions and nw rarely entered its offense until the 15 to 20-second mark. guess what! this was still an exciting game. the lack of tempo didn't take away from the game at all. in all honesty, it probably enhanced it.
in the first half, the game was wild. indiana made 10 3's and northwestern also made a handful. collins is smart enough to know that indiana gets 31 percent of its initial shot attempts in transition, and that 42 percent of those transition shot attempts are 3-pointers (where indiana converts at an absurd 40 percent rate). quite obviously, if you want to beat indiana, you can't let them run. that means you must concede offensive rebounds and get back on defense, slowing their transition opportunities and forcing them to play halfcourt offense (where they can struggle).
this to me is basketball at its best. i enjoyed the crap out of this game.
dana altman is another late-game clock bleeder. on paper, this oregon-washington game (http://kenpom.com/winprob.php?g=3883) looked like a snoozer. only 62 possessions! yet, the first half was played at a 67 pace - above average - before the 2nd half slowed way down as oregon slowed way down, choosing to value possessions and work for the best possible shot against a defense that continually broke down as it tried to adjust to life without robert upshaw.
No need to apologize, that's good stuff. (and honestly, I had never paid much attention to the possession length part at the bottom of kp's charts).
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
free throws cut possessions short when it's an on-the-floor defensive foul and the offensive team is in the bonus. but there's likely to be three to four possessions prior to the bonus where fouls actually lengthen possessions for a given team (i.e., a handcheck foul with 8 seconds left on the shot clock, followed by a 25-second possession, becomes a 52-second offensive possession).
don't think so. easy to check though. look at the %s of fouls that are shooting and player control vs. non shooting. and multiply by 7. i bet it's one or two (per half) vs five-ten (per half) shooting, post-bonus and player control.
i'm merely pointing out that free throws of the non-shooting variety only matter when they occur after the sixth foul. if it's a shot foul, the possession would be the same length as if there was no foul called, absent an offensive rebound.
Post by: Trim on March 02, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
jim larranaga is historically a slow coach (typically 63 possessions on average), but he took it to extremes last year (58.5 per possession, 56.5 in league), and it had nothing to do with the rules changes. he decided to play slower on both ends (methodical on offense, zone on defense) to make games as slow as humanly possible in an effort to give his undermanned team a better chance to win.
and, to a large degree, it worked! they were far more competitive and competed against superior teams home and away.
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After losing 87 percent of his scoring from last season, Larranaga figured that this season’s team would struggle to score points, and he was right. Nationally, the Hurricanes rank a miserable 255th in effective field goal percentage and 152nd in overall adjusted offensive efficiency, and not much offensive improvement should be expected with this roster. Knowing that, Larranaga wisely chose to focus on what this group can do well — using their length and collective willingness to play defense to his advantage. Not only does the match-up zone maximize his available talents, but it also accomplishes a twin goal of limiting possessions. Currently, Miami ranks as the slowest team in the country with an average of 59.6 possessions per game. This slower pace has helped Miami hang with more dynamic scoring teams. For example, when most pundits expected the Hurricanes to get blown out at Syracuse, Miami actually led most of the way before falling by five points in a snail-like 49-possession game. After that, the Hurricanes held North Carolina to 30.8 percent shooting in a rare Miami win in Chapel Hill, again controlling the tempo throughout.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
Post by: sys on March 02, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
also, why does everyone assume that all teams want to play faster?
no one assumes that. most people do assume that all fans prefer faster play, which i think is foolish (of the fans), but is probably relatively accurate.
it may be one of those things, though, where people say they prefer to watch faster play, but in reality they don't. like all players say they like to play fast, but many actually don't.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 02, 2015, 03:11:48 PM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
I wonder if the over coaching is partly due to the reduction in coaching tenure coupled with the huge increase in player turnover with the way players transfer and a lesser extent the 1 and done rule. I guess I can't blame a coach for refusing to sit down and let his players play when he has a 10+ million dollar contract on the line and the the 5 guys on the floor have only played an average 1.5 seasons for him.
i have wondered this as well. but it seems like college hoops coaches, certainly at the power conference level, have more job security nowadays than ever before (the result of having more postseason opportunities, larger fields, etc.) off the top of my head, i can think of very few big 12 coaches who have gotten fired in recent years. there's been like two coach firings (both at texas tech?) since the league reformatted three years ago, unless i'm forgetting someone.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 03:21:56 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 03:24:02 PM
Fans of a particular team obviously want to watch their team win by any means possible.also, why does everyone assume that all teams want to play faster?
no one assumes that. most people do assume that all fans prefer faster play, which i think is foolish (of the fans), but is probably relatively accurate.
it may be one of those things, though, where people say they prefer to watch faster play, but in reality they don't. like all players say they like to play fast, but many actually don't.
Fans of the sport just watching a game for fun want to be entertained. A slow paced game that is close, has a good atmosphere and isn't a turnover or foulfest can be entertaining but watching 2 teams walk it up, hardly even look at the hoop for 20 seconds and then throw up a guarded 3 while 3 guys sprint back to insure there is no transition is no fun at all.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 03:25:20 PM
watching 2 teams walk it up, hardly even look at the hoop for 20 seconds and then throw up a guarded 3 while 3 guys sprint back to insure there is no transition is no fun at all.
I have never seen a college basketball game where this happened.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
I would include McNeck pulling his Altman as getting fired.I wonder if the over coaching is partly due to the reduction in coaching tenure coupled with the huge increase in player turnover with the way players transfer and a lesser extent the 1 and done rule. I guess I can't blame a coach for refusing to sit down and let his players play when he has a 10+ million dollar contract on the line and the the 5 guys on the floor have only played an average 1.5 seasons for him.
i have wondered this as well. but it seems like college hoops coaches, certainly at the power conference level, have more job security nowadays than ever before (the result of having more postseason opportunities, larger fields, etc.) off the top of my head, i can think of very few big 12 coaches who have gotten fired in recent years. there's been like two coach firings (both at texas tech?) since the league reformatted three years ago, unless i'm forgetting someone.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 03:39:40 PM
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2009/02/18/penn-state-38-illinois-33 (http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2009/02/18/penn-state-38-illinois-33)watching 2 teams walk it up, hardly even look at the hoop for 20 seconds and then throw up a guarded 3 while 3 guys sprint back to insure there is no transition is no fun at all.
I have never seen a college basketball game where this happened.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 03:48:49 PM
I support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 03:51:38 PM
I support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 03:54:21 PM
Ok oscar, get out there and sign us up some more MM- bigsI support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
watching 2 teams walk it up, hardly even look at the hoop for 20 seconds and then throw up a guarded 3 while 3 guys sprint back to insure there is no transition is no fun at all.
I have never seen a college basketball game where this happened.
oh man, then you weren't around for this classic? :frown:
http://kenpom.com/winprob.php?g=5666&y=2011 (44 possessions if you don't subscribe)
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigten/2011-03-11-penn-state-wisconsin_N.htm
"It's the story of the coach who asked one of his players how his grades went, and the kid said, 'Three Fs and a D,' " Badgers coach Bo Ryan said. "You know the answer the coach came back with? He says, 'You spent way too much time on one class.' "
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
Ok oscar, get out there and sign us up some more MM- bigsI support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
I don't know what oscar or K-State have to do with wanting to watch a basketball game where the defense doesn't have to just give up open dunks all day.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 04:06:20 PM
do you not enjoy dunks?Ok oscar, get out there and sign us up some more MM- bigsI support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
I don't know what oscar or K-State have to do with wanting to watch a basketball game where the defense doesn't have to just give up open dunks all day.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 04:07:50 PM
do you not enjoy dunks?Ok oscar, get out there and sign us up some more MM- bigsI support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
I don't know what oscar or K-State have to do with wanting to watch a basketball game where the defense doesn't have to just give up open dunks all day.
They really are only enjoyable because they are hard to pull off. Making them easy cheapens them.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 04:15:47 PM
the dunker still has to beat at least one defender, he just doesn't have to worry about somebody sliding over after he has committed to attacking the basket. Also, imagine the exciting plays above the rim at the end of games as defenders have no choice but to go for the block.do you not enjoy dunks?Ok oscar, get out there and sign us up some more MM- bigsI support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
I don't know what oscar or K-State have to do with wanting to watch a basketball game where the defense doesn't have to just give up open dunks all day.
They really are only enjoyable because they are hard to pull off. Making them easy cheapens them.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 04:38:36 PM
the dunker still has to beat at least one defender, he just doesn't have to worry about somebody sliding over after he has committed to attacking the basket. Also, imagine the exciting plays above the rim at the end of games as defenders have no choice but to go for the block.do you not enjoy dunks?Ok oscar, get out there and sign us up some more MM- bigsI support shortening the shot clock. I hated the way fouls were called at the beginning of last season. I really don't have a problem with low scoring basketball games with low FG%, though. The game is more fun to watch with less whistles.As a fan of watching cbb I would love not allowing help defenders to take a charge in the lane. It would be horrible for the Webercats but encouraging guys to attack the basket and help defenders to either try to make a play on the ball or get out of the way would be more entertaining. And don't get me started on the charges called on a passer after he has passed the ball and is not even moving toward to the basket.
Nope. They should call more charges, not less.
I don't know what oscar or K-State have to do with wanting to watch a basketball game where the defense doesn't have to just give up open dunks all day.
They really are only enjoyable because they are hard to pull off. Making them easy cheapens them.
If the defender slides over to help, somebody else is wide open. Good defensive basketball is fun to watch. Turnovers are fun. Free throws are not. Also, end of game plays wouldn't change much. Teams would still milk the clock and shoot a jumper more often than not.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 05:01:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 05:22:25 PM
The game is fine, although it would be nice to shorten the short clock and take away a few timeouts.
Pretty much. I am a bit surprised how much pace has dropped this year.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 02, 2015, 05:23:43 PM
I believe it has a lot to do with more teams running zone defense.The game is fine, although it would be nice to shorten the short clock and take away a few timeouts.
Pretty much. I am a bit surprised how much pace has dropped this year.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 05:24:44 PM
Pretty much. I am a bit surprised how much pace has dropped this year.
kenpom's theory (which i don't entirely agree with):
Quote from: KenPom
More structured offenses + physical defenses placing priority on preventing transition.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 05:27:31 PM
Pretty much. I am a bit surprised how much pace has dropped this year.
kenpom's theory (which i don't entirely agree with):Quote from: KenPomMore structured offenses + physical defenses placing priority on preventing transition.
Heh, pretty much my theory. And I hadn't read that from kp.
Post by: nicname on March 02, 2015, 05:46:57 PM
It's really a shame that they couldn't just stick with the rules emphasis from a couple of years ago for more than a season. You have to give incentive for most teams to play uptempo.
I agree that there are too many timeouts, but I don't see how you can get rid of any without hurting advertising revenue. Increase halftime to 25 minutes?
Things I'd like to see — 3 timeouts per team, per half, which can only be called by players on the floor. No media timeouts. Players would be allowed to call timeout in a save-the-ball situation. In said situation, coaches are allowed to turn one of the full timeouts into two 30-second timeouts.
Defense - Emphasis on hand-checking and contact with the offensive player. Emphasis on help-defense block/ charge calls. Award defensive tie-ups with the ball out of bounds with no effect on the possession arrow.
It's not groundbreaking stuff, and it's all been mentioned before. I'd rather see incentive for quicker, more open play, than forcing it on teams with a shorter shot clock and other things.
I'm iffy on extending the 3-point line to NBA range, but it might open up the mid-range game and create better spacing.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 05:47:37 PM
The game is fine, although it would be nice to shorten the short clock and take away a few timeouts.
there are lots of little things that can be done to help make the game more watchable...
#1 - i agree with you on timeouts. it's bad enough that there's four forced media timeouts per half, but when you've got two coaches calling a combined six timeouts - including full timeouts - in the final minutes, the game ends up having no flow. on top of that, instant replay on questionable calls inside of two minutes has gotten out of hand. seems like the refs go to the monitor for almost everything anymore.
#2 - use a universal ball. most teams use nike, many teams use wilson, some use adidas, some use under armour. a handful of teams use The Rock ball. wisconsin is the lone team to use a sterling brand ball. andre hollins complained earlier this year that he thought nebraska's adidas balls were hard to shoot. tim miles was asked if brand of ball matters. he said his colorado state teams used spalding balls, which almost no other team used, and thought it made a big difference. "It was a unique ball, and it was hard for our guys to get used to it when we started with it," Miles said. "But we were one of the best offensive teams in the country, so it was doing well for us. But I also think it messed with our opponent, no question about it."
#3 - adjust the standard for rim tightness. the nba's scoring was down several years ago (i believe prior to the 2009-10 season), and one thing they did was bring in a new rim manufacturer. the rim broke away from the front and the sides, as compared to just the front. scoring did rise that year (it can't be entirely attributed to the rims), but i recall players commenting that they were far more forgiving.
#4 - use a slightly smaller basketball. easier to control, easier to shoot (more room), easier to dunk.
#5 - expanding the lane, implementing defensive 3 seconds (or 5 seconds) would also help. the WNBA did this last year with some success.
shortening the shot clock seems to be everyone's favorite option. i don't think a 30 second clock would be a big deal, but a 24-second clock would ruin the game and make an overwhelming majority of games unwatchable.
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2015, 05:58:24 PM
shortening the shot clock seems to be everyone's favorite option. i don't think a 30 second clock would be a big deal, but a 24-second clock would ruin the game and make an overwhelming majority of games unwatchable.
Teams would adjust to a 24 second clock just fine.
Post by: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
shortening the shot clock seems to be everyone's favorite option. i don't think a 30 second clock would be a big deal, but a 24-second clock would ruin the game and make an overwhelming majority of games unwatchable.
Teams would adjust to a 24 second clock just fine.
i'm saying games would be 'unwatchable' because the overwhelming majority of them (certainly in non-con play) would be epic blowouts. inferior teams rely on shortening the game and execution (i.e., running great offense) when up against the ku and kentuckys of the world. if forced to play a 24-second game, big upsets will be almost extinct, thus removing much of the game's appeal to the casual fan, certainly in march.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
shortening the shot clock seems to be everyone's favorite option. i don't think a 30 second clock would be a big deal, but a 24-second clock would ruin the game and make an overwhelming majority of games unwatchable.
Teams would adjust to a 24 second clock just fine.
i'm saying games would be 'unwatchable' because the overwhelming majority of them (certainly in non-con play) would be epic blowouts. inferior teams rely on shortening the game and execution (i.e., running great offense) when up against the ku and kentuckys of the world. if forced to play a 24-second game, big upsets will be almost extinct, thus removing much of the game's appeal to the casual fan, certainly in march.
There would still be plenty of upsets.
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2015, 09:14:33 PM
j rake's point on scouting is very legit. Teams know more about opponents and players and tendencies than ever before, which also leads to coaches wanting more control.A smart person (me) would counter this by doing the exact opposite and teach players how to make quality decisions and plays on the fly.
Post by: nicname on March 02, 2015, 09:17:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2015, 09:21:58 PM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Post by: nicname on March 02, 2015, 10:27:57 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 10:30:11 PM
There would still be plenty of upsets.
the number would go down significantly. i'd guess that a theoretical 10 extra possessions per game (from 35 second clock to 24 second clock) would lead to point spreads of at least three more points in games involving an athletic team, such as kentucky, against an execution team, such as northern iowa.
if the NBA switched to a 35-second clock, rather than the current 24-second clock, you'd see more parity and far more upsets on a nightly basis.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 10:46:21 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
again, it's scouting. it's analytics. it's the athletic nature of the game, with players being bigger and stronger now than ever before. it's the officiating. it's coaching.
most basketball people bemoan the "death of the mid-range jumper." offensive players have been told that there are two great shots: a 3-point shot, or a shot at the rim. everything in between, and particularly shots just inside the 3-point line, are typically not desired shots. guess what defenses are taught? do everything possible to eliminate paint entry (especially with the dribble), and take away the 3-point shot. this naturally slows things down.
but the scouting can't be understated.
if you read arkansas preview articles from the opposing team's perspective, it's the same in every paper every week. "we can't get into a running game with them. we have to control the ball, we can't get careless, we can't let them speed us up."
if you read virginia preview articles from the opposing team, it's "we've got to beat them down the floor, we've got to try to get easy transition baskets, we've got to find a way to score on them without their defense getting set."
this, of course, rarely works.
believe it or not, there are plenty of super fast games in today's modern basketball. arkansas has played three 80-plus tempo games this year (including one in league play). auburn hilariously tried to push pace against kentucky (81 possessions) and failed miserably, losing by 35. and there have been dozens of other games in the 80s across the country, in league and out of league. but for most teams, particularly with travel and two-games-in-three-days stretches, it doesn't make much sense.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 10:46:53 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
Post by: nicname on March 02, 2015, 10:52:47 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
If a coach decides that his team is going to play fast, it doesn't seem that he'd do it without thinking it would give his team a better shot to win. Yes, more teams did it, which leads one to believe there were things about the game then that prompted more coaches to feel that playing fast gave them an edge, or that necessitated playing faster.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
If a coach decides that his team is going to play fast, it doesn't seem that he'd do it without thinking it would give his team a better shot to win. Yes, more teams did it, which leads one to believe there were things about the game then that prompted more coaches to feel that playing fast gave them an edge, or that necessitated playing faster.
You ignored the second sentence. Playing fast, slow, or medium does not give you any tactical advantage on its own. I think some teams are better equipped for playing faster than others but that has no bearing on your ability to stop your opponent from running their stuff.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 10:56:40 PM
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
on some level it was. i can remember seeing a documentary on LMU where opposing coaches were like, "Man, we were not ready for THAT kind of speed. We could not simulate that. It caught us off guard. We weren't ready." also, these up tempo teams were typically deep teams, and had great endurance. if you were matched up against an opponent with minimal depth, you could wear them out and run them into submission.
by the way, nolan richardson's final season was in 2002. his arkansas team played at a 73 tempo on the season, and a 70 tempo in league. six SEC opponents forced him into games of 65 possessions or less. mike anderson, whose style is the same, is playing at a 70 tempo (69 in league). not a tremendous difference.
Post by: nicname on March 02, 2015, 11:02:26 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
If a coach decides that his team is going to play fast, it doesn't seem that he'd do it without thinking it would give his team a better shot to win. Yes, more teams did it, which leads one to believe there were things about the game then that prompted more coaches to feel that playing fast gave them an edge, or that necessitated playing faster.
You ignored the second sentence. Playing fast, slow, or medium does not give you any tactical advantage on its own. I think some teams are better equipped for playing faster than others but that has no bearing on your ability to stop your opponent from running their stuff.
I didn't ignore anything, but focusing on your second sentence, if it is a tactical advantage now, and wasn't back then, more teams should be trying to play fast now. That's not the case.
I guess another way to put it is that there were things in college basketball that promoted faster play. What were they, and what has changed to slow down the game in its current state. j rake's made some very good points in this regard.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 11:36:05 PM
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
on some level it was. i can remember seeing a documentary on LMU where opposing coaches were like, "Man, we were not ready for THAT kind of speed. We could not simulate that. It caught us off guard. We weren't ready." also, these up tempo teams were typically deep teams, and had great endurance. if you were matched up against an opponent with minimal depth, you could wear them out and run them into submission.
by the way, nolan richardson's final season was in 2002. his arkansas team played at a 73 tempo on the season, and a 70 tempo in league. six SEC opponents forced him into games of 65 possessions or less. mike anderson, whose style is the same, is playing at a 70 tempo (69 in league). not a tremendous difference.
Again there were plenty of teams that ran back then, not all of them were good. Westhead only won when he had two nba players. He wasn't any good at his college stops before LMU, he wasn't any good at LMU before Gathers and Kimball and he wasn't good at his college stops after Gathers and Kimball. He had two very dominant players in the West Coast Conference and I will attest to you the WCC was nothing close then to what it is now. If you put two NBA players on a team in America East today they'd beat the crap out of everyone too.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 11:42:08 PM
Again there were plenty of teams that ran back then, not all of them were good. Westhead only won when he had two nba players. He wasn't any good at his college stops before LMU, he wasn't any good at LMU before Gathers and Kimball and he wasn't good at his college stops after Gathers and Kimball. He had two very dominant players in the West Coast Conference and I will attest to you the WCC was nothing close then to what it is now. If you put two NBA players on a team in America East today they'd beat the crap out of everyone too.
HE WON A WNBA TITLE WITH THE MERCURY!!! :thumbsup:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
I mean look at this crap, they gave up 140 to a defunct school playing in a warehouse without assistant coaches.
Post by: pissclams on March 03, 2015, 08:14:37 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 03, 2015, 08:27:14 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
TEXAS SOUTHERN IS GONNA MAKE THE TOURNEY BUT WE AREN'T.
Well, they did beat us.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 03, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
They are good though in conference.TEXAS SOUTHERN IS GONNA MAKE THE TOURNEY BUT WE AREN'T.
Well, they did beat us.
Post by: Cire on March 03, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
I feel like less physical play, lower shot clock would give the more talented teams a wider advantage.
Post by: nicname on March 03, 2015, 09:29:54 AM
TEXAS SOUTHERN IS GONNA MAKE THE TOURNEY BUT WE AREN'T.
Not incredibly surprising.
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 09:57:52 AM
CBB has great parity right now.
I feel like less physical play, lower shot clock would give the more talented teams a wider advantage.
yup. harder for k-state to beat ku. :frown:
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2015, 12:51:53 PM
There would still be plenty of upsets.
the number would go down significantly. i'd guess that a theoretical 10 extra possessions per game (from 35 second clock to 24 second clock) would lead to point spreads of at least three more points in games involving an athletic team, such as kentucky, against an execution team, such as northern iowa.
if the NBA switched to a 35-second clock, rather than the current 24-second clock, you'd see more parity and far more upsets on a nightly basis.
You're saying that those teams would have a .3PPP advantage over those 10 possessions? :dubious:
Interesting to note that of the kenpom top 10 teams, only Arizona and Duke play at an above average pace. A lot of it is obviously due to teams trying to slow it down on them, but if playing fast gives them a huge advantage, you'd think more would try to play faster. Wisconsin, Virginia, Baylor, and Utah all play ridiculously slow on offense.
Also interesting to note that our last two victories over Kansas were the faster paced games in the series.
What I'm getting at is I understand your theory, but I don't think data supports it.
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2015, 01:05:18 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
It can be a tactical advantage. I don't think you need unique skill sets or elite talent to take advantage of playing at a faster pace, and I don't think your defense needs to suffer, either.
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 02:37:39 PM
You're saying that those teams would have a .3PPP advantage over those 10 possessions? :dubious:
no, i'm referring more to the cumulative effect of the way the game would have to be played. it's not just those theoretical 10 extra possessions, it's all possessions, over the entirety of the game. a team like northern iowa, which plays a very specific, very deliberate style, would undoubtedly be less efficient if forced to play a more up-tempo game. their average possession length is 21 seconds per possession. using a 24-second clock, they'd be shooting against the horn on nearly every possession. i'm sure they can make some adjustments, but the end result would likely be a less efficient offense.
of course, you could also argue they'd be less efficient defensively. their slow pace forces opponents to exert lots of energy on defense, which makes them more tired offensively, and when teams are shooting poorly against UNI, it's hard to get into a rhythm when shot attempts are always 40 to 50 seconds apart.
my 3-point difference on spread in the hypothetical kentucky-UNI game is honestly probably too low.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 03, 2015, 02:51:22 PM
TEXAS SOUTHERN IS GONNA MAKE THE TOURNEY BUT WE AREN'T.
Shouldn't this eliminate them as a "bad loss" on our resume?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 03, 2015, 02:54:04 PM
You're saying that those teams would have a .3PPP advantage over those 10 possessions? :dubious:
no, i'm referring more to the cumulative effect of the way the game would have to be played. it's not just those theoretical 10 extra possessions, it's all possessions, over the entirety of the game. a team like northern iowa, which plays a very specific, very deliberate style, would undoubtedly be less efficient if forced to play a more up-tempo game. their average possession length is 21 seconds per possession. using a 24-second clock, they'd be shooting against the horn on nearly every possession. i'm sure they can make some adjustments, but the end result would likely be a less efficient offense.
of course, you could also argue they'd be less efficient defensively. their slow pace forces opponents to exert lots of energy on defense, which makes them more tired offensively, and when teams are shooting poorly against UNI, it's hard to get into a rhythm when shot attempts are always 40 to 50 seconds apart.
my 3-point difference on spread in the hypothetical kentucky-UNI game is honestly probably too low.
JRake, you can't talk subjectives with the stat psuedo-wonks. They live in a unchangeable static world
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 03:13:51 PM
You're saying that those teams would have a .3PPP advantage over those 10 possessions? :dubious:
no, i'm referring more to the cumulative effect of the way the game would have to be played. it's not just those theoretical 10 extra possessions, it's all possessions, over the entirety of the game. a team like northern iowa, which plays a very specific, very deliberate style, would undoubtedly be less efficient if forced to play a more up-tempo game. their average possession length is 21 seconds per possession. using a 24-second clock, they'd be shooting against the horn on nearly every possession. i'm sure they can make some adjustments, but the end result would likely be a less efficient offense.
of course, you could also argue they'd be less efficient defensively. their slow pace forces opponents to exert lots of energy on defense, which makes them more tired offensively, and when teams are shooting poorly against UNI, it's hard to get into a rhythm when shot attempts are always 40 to 50 seconds apart.
my 3-point difference on spread in the hypothetical kentucky-UNI game is honestly probably too low.
JRake, you can't talk subjectives with the stat psuedo-wonks. They live in a unchangeable static world
well, objectively speaking, if you were to take tonight's kentucky-georgia game for example (projected 62 pace), then it would look something like this:
Kentucky 1.1 ppp x 62 poss = 68 pts
Georgia 0.94 ppp x 62 poss = 58 pts
that gets you to the current spread and total (kentucky -10, 126).
if the game were played with a 24-second shot clock, at a pace of 75 possessions (league average of WNBA), with everything remaining constant, the new spread would be kentucky -12.5 with a total of 153. again, i'd assume kentucky's athletic/depth advantage would win out to a larger extent in the end, which would likely make them an even larger favorite.
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2015, 03:25:00 PM
You're saying that those teams would have a .3PPP advantage over those 10 possessions? :dubious:
no, i'm referring more to the cumulative effect of the way the game would have to be played. it's not just those theoretical 10 extra possessions, it's all possessions, over the entirety of the game. a team like northern iowa, which plays a very specific, very deliberate style, would undoubtedly be less efficient if forced to play a more up-tempo game. their average possession length is 21 seconds per possession. using a 24-second clock, they'd be shooting against the horn on nearly every possession. i'm sure they can make some adjustments, but the end result would likely be a less efficient offense.
of course, you could also argue they'd be less efficient defensively. their slow pace forces opponents to exert lots of energy on defense, which makes them more tired offensively, and when teams are shooting poorly against UNI, it's hard to get into a rhythm when shot attempts are always 40 to 50 seconds apart.
my 3-point difference on spread in the hypothetical kentucky-UNI game is honestly probably too low.
Northern Iowa is a crazy outlier that wouldn't play the way they play with a quicker shot clock (I mean, it's ridiculous to think they would still average 21 second possessions with a 24 second clock). They just wouldn't exist. They're also the slowest team in conference only games (by a fairly wide margin), where you would assume they would not need to slow down the game to make up for a major talent deficiency.
There are plenty of mid-major teams that have been successful without playing at a pace similar to Virginia or Northern Iowa (WSU, Butler, Gonzaga, BYU, and VCU immediately come to mind - actually most successful mid-majors play at a near-average pace) (although BYU is usually one of the fastest offenses)
The theory about slow offensive pace leading to better defensive efficiency has no data to back it up, does it?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 03, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
The theory about slow offensive pace leading to better defensive efficiency has no data to back it up, does it?
No, but it creates the illusion with traditional stats because of "holding" teams to the 50s/60s.
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
You're saying that those teams would have a .3PPP advantage over those 10 possessions? :dubious:
no, i'm referring more to the cumulative effect of the way the game would have to be played. it's not just those theoretical 10 extra possessions, it's all possessions, over the entirety of the game. a team like northern iowa, which plays a very specific, very deliberate style, would undoubtedly be less efficient if forced to play a more up-tempo game. their average possession length is 21 seconds per possession. using a 24-second clock, they'd be shooting against the horn on nearly every possession. i'm sure they can make some adjustments, but the end result would likely be a less efficient offense.
of course, you could also argue they'd be less efficient defensively. their slow pace forces opponents to exert lots of energy on defense, which makes them more tired offensively, and when teams are shooting poorly against UNI, it's hard to get into a rhythm when shot attempts are always 40 to 50 seconds apart.
my 3-point difference on spread in the hypothetical kentucky-UNI game is honestly probably too low.
JRake, you can't talk subjectives with the stat psuedo-wonks. They live in a unchangeable static world
well, objectively speaking, if you were to take tonight's kentucky-georgia game for example (projected 62 pace), then it would look something like this:
Kentucky 1.1 ppp x 62 poss = 68 pts
Georgia 0.94 ppp x 62 poss = 58 pts
that gets you to the current spread and total (kentucky -10, 126).
if the game were played with a 24-second shot clock, at a pace of 75 possessions (league average of WNBA), with everything remaining constant, the new spread would be kentucky -12.5 with a total of 153. again, i'd assume kentucky's athletic/depth advantage would win out to a larger extent in the end, which would likely make them an even larger favorite.
everything would not remain constant
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 03:33:18 PM
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 03:41:11 PM
The theory about slow offensive pace leading to better defensive efficiency has no data to back it up, does it?
if you are playing superior opponents who are super efficient offensively, it would make sense to try to reduce their number of possessions to give yourself the best chance of winning. one way to do that is to possess the ball for longer periods of time, the other obviously is to force the opponent into longer possessions.
the fewer the possessions, the more chance of variance (i.e., luck) playing a role...and most underdogs need a little luck to pull off the kind of upsets you typically see in the ncaa tourney. if a 24-second clock existed, the greatest asset of many lesser teams (the shot clock) would become their greatest enemy.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 03, 2015, 03:43:19 PM
if everything did remain constant, the above projection would be the by-the-book, on paper adjustment. obviously things would not remain constant. less athletic, execution-based teams (i used UNI as an example, but you can replace UNI with countless low-major teams such as cal poly or drexel or towson or wofford or whoever) would be at an extreme disadvantage if forced to play a speed game against superior teams (i used kentucky as an example, but you can replace them with iowa state or oklahoma or villanova, etc.)
Pushing the pace against a team that can shoot can really back fire. Pushing against teams like Kentucky, Arizona can be advantage because their length and atheism can make it a bitch to score in the half court.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320830096 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320830096)
UI tired to do this against one of the better UK teams we have seen.
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
if everything did remain constant, the above projection would be the by-the-book, on paper adjustment. obviously things would not remain constant. less athletic, execution-based teams (i used UNI as an example, but you can replace UNI with countless low-major teams such as cal poly or drexel or towson or wofford or whoever) would be at an extreme disadvantage if forced to play a speed game against superior teams (i used kentucky as an example, but you can replace them with iowa state or oklahoma or villanova, etc.)
Pushing the pace against a team that can shoot can really back fire. Pushing against teams like Kentucky, Arizona can be advantage because their length and atheism can make it a bitch to score in the half court.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320830096 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320830096)
UI tired to do this against one of the better UK teams we have seen.
the teams that have tried to run on this year's kentucky team haven't had much luck with it. in theory, it's a great idea to try to beat them down the floor so their defense can't get set up. in reality, it's hard to pull off because kentucky is freakishly long and athletic. they chase you down from behind, swat your layup attempt off the backboard and start a fastbreak the other way.
i do agree that a team like indiana (particularly this year's team) would give itself its best chance to win against kentucky by trying to beat them down the floor and splashing transition 3's (40 percent on the year). few teams can shoot it like they can, and few teams are as terrible in the halfcourt as them - at least when forced to run some semblance of structured offense.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 03, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
if everything did remain constant, the above projection would be the by-the-book, on paper adjustment. obviously things would not remain constant. less athletic, execution-based teams (i used UNI as an example, but you can replace UNI with countless low-major teams such as cal poly or drexel or towson or wofford or whoever) would be at an extreme disadvantage if forced to play a speed game against superior teams (i used kentucky as an example, but you can replace them with iowa state or oklahoma or villanova, etc.)
Pushing the pace against a team that can shoot can really back fire. Pushing against teams like Kentucky, Arizona can be advantage because their length and atheism can make it a bitch to score in the half court.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320830096 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320830096)UIIU tired to do this against one of the better UK teams we have seen.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2011/12/10/kentucky-72-indiana-73 (http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2011/12/10/kentucky-72-indiana-73)
vs.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/03/23/indiana-90-kentucky-102 (http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/03/23/indiana-90-kentucky-102)
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2015, 04:14:08 PM
The theory about slow offensive pace leading to better defensive efficiency has no data to back it up, does it?
if you are playing superior opponents who are super efficient offensively, it would make sense to try to reduce their number of possessions to give yourself the best chance of winning. one way to do that is to possess the ball for longer periods of time, the other obviously is to force the opponent into longer possessions.
the fewer the possessions, the more chance of variance (i.e., luck) playing a role...and most underdogs need a little luck to pull off the kind of upsets you typically see in the ncaa tourney. if a 24-second clock existed, the greatest asset of many lesser teams (the shot clock) would become their greatest enemy.
I know why it makes sense in theory, there's just so few cases where an inferior team wins due to slowing the pace (that also would have lost with a few more possessions). You keep mentioning NCAA upsets, but I don't see many examples among recent notable upsets where a deliberately slow pace was a factor. There are plenty where it wasn't a factor.
College basketball would not be anything close to "unwatchable" with a 24 second clock.
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
College basketball would not be anything close to "unwatchable" with a 24 second clock.
i definitely agree that a 24-second clock would make the game more exciting in cases where two semi equal teams take the floor. aside from that, i think we're using different definitions of 'unwatchable.' as a viewer, i don't care about pace. i am more likely to watch games that are close, and fewer possessions via a longer shot clock can often help lesser teams hang around longer. if you've got two same/similar teams, then the pace is unlikely to matter. the game will hopefully be exciting regardless.
i know lots of people prefer tempo in college football as well. i personally hate it. margin of victory is higher than it's ever been, particularly in non-con games involving super-fast teams, and i just don't find 75-10, 64-7, 80-14 to be very fun.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2015, 05:23:10 PM
What prompted coaches like Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardson, Billy Tubbs, etc. to go to a more uptempo style than teams play today? How can we get it back?
tarkanian was told by boosters upon his hiring at UNLV that they wanted a fast, up-tempo, exciting team. he was more than happy to oblige. paul westhead, the fastest coach ever, played at his furious tempo in part to increase his chances of landing on TV (i think i read that once, but maybe i'm misremembering).
nowadays, almost every game involving big conference teams are on TV. if you want to differentiate yourself and get noticed, paint your court to look like a rainforest or have your overaggressive fanbase rush the court after big victories.
Very interesting, but that can't be the main reason. These coaches wanted to play fast, because of a tactical advantage? What has changed that causes fewer coaches to want to employ an uptempo style? That's what we have to figure out.
Everyone keeps talking about the shot clock, but the game was faster when it was still 45. I can't back this up, but I feel there were a lot of uptempo teams even before there was any shot clock, though I'm sure average pace was weighed down by some teams really taking the air out of the ball.
Playing fast back then wasn't a tactical advantage, plenty of teams did it. It isn't a tactical advantage now because no team has seemed to be able to accumulate enough talent to play fast but guard well. Kentucky exempted of course.
It can be a tactical advantage. I don't think you need unique skill sets or elite talent to take advantage of playing at a faster pace, and I don't think your defense needs to suffer, either.
I don't think you need a unique set of skills to play fast either although having multiple players on the floor that are comfortable with the ball in their hand certainly helps to be effective. In college basketball playing fast absolutely hurts you defensively because teams with scholarship limits can't find the proper depth to play fast and have enough players that can guard. There are very few teams in the history of college basketball that play fast but really have the ability to guard. History is littered with teams that play fast and turnover the opponent a lot but still give up a ton of points, but the college game just isn't set up for teams to be deep enough to play good tough defense while playing at an accelerated pace.
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
I don't think you need a unique set of skills to play fast either although having multiple players on the floor that are comfortable with the ball in their hand certainly helps to be effective. In college basketball playing fast absolutely hurts you defensively because teams with scholarship limits can't find the proper depth to play fast and have enough players that can guard. There are very few teams in the history of college basketball that play fast but really have the ability to guard. History is littered with teams that play fast and turnover the opponent a lot but still give up a ton of points, but the college game just isn't set up for teams to be deep enough to play good tough defense while playing at an accelerated pace.
Plenty of teams with above average tempos have above average defensive efficiency. A great example is OU - in Big 12 games they have the league's best defensive efficiency but play at the second fastest pace on offense.
Post by: nicname on March 03, 2015, 06:56:41 PM
What would be great is is we (actually, they) could find a sweet spot where teams of all varieties style and tempo would have an opportunity to flourish. Perhaps those opportunities are there now, but it's just en vogue for coaches to slow things down and micromanage the games more than previously.
Ideally, I guess I'd like more continuity, good efficiency, and while I'm a fan of a higher pace, having a variety of styles able to find success would be ideal.
As _Fan's graph showed points per possession hasn't fluctuated much in the last 12 years, but style of play definitely has gone through major changes.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg673%2F2108%2FG86do0.gif&hash=21758c75cadf559b28296703a51c924866572797)
That's why I'm not sold on lowering the shot-clock. It would likely render certain play-styles obsolete.
I find a more uptempo, transition-based game more fun to watch. Especially when guys are trying to force turnovers and crashing Orebs, but that's obviously because my favorite teams employed that style. FWIW, 2009-10 K-State was No. 47 in the country at 70.3 possessions per game. They'd be No. 10 this season behind only Arkansas (70.7), LSU (70.6), and Iowa State (70.6) among power 5 schools.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 03, 2015, 07:00:58 PM
I don't think you need a unique set of skills to play fast either although having multiple players on the floor that are comfortable with the ball in their hand certainly helps to be effective. In college basketball playing fast absolutely hurts you defensively because teams with scholarship limits can't find the proper depth to play fast and have enough players that can guard. There are very few teams in the history of college basketball that play fast but really have the ability to guard. History is littered with teams that play fast and turnover the opponent a lot but still give up a ton of points, but the college game just isn't set up for teams to be deep enough to play good tough defense while playing at an accelerated pace.
Plenty of teams with above average tempos have above average defensive efficiency. A great example is OU - in Big 12 games they have the league's best defensive efficiency but play at the second fastest pace on offense.
They also have terrible depth.
Post by: nicname on March 03, 2015, 07:01:56 PM
I don't think you need a unique set of skills to play fast either although having multiple players on the floor that are comfortable with the ball in their hand certainly helps to be effective. In college basketball playing fast absolutely hurts you defensively because teams with scholarship limits can't find the proper depth to play fast and have enough players that can guard. There are very few teams in the history of college basketball that play fast but really have the ability to guard. History is littered with teams that play fast and turnover the opponent a lot but still give up a ton of points, but the college game just isn't set up for teams to be deep enough to play good tough defense while playing at an accelerated pace.
Plenty of teams with above average tempos have above average defensive efficiency. A great example is OU - in Big 12 games they have the league's best defensive efficiency but play at the second fastest pace on offense.
It makes sense that a team would often have to sacrifice guarding for disruption and causing turnovers and vice versa. But the variety, based on preference and personnel, is what is/ can be great about college basketball. Obviously, some truly great teams (as MIR mentioned Kentucky) would be able to do both, but having different avenues to a similar end result is cool.
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
you rarely see teams get called for 10-second violations against pressing, trapping teams; and when they are in danger, they simply call timeout. the 10-second rule has become almost irrelevant, yet allows teams to walk...the...ball..up...the...court...ever...so...slowly.
i'd also like to see the ncaa adopt the six-foul rule the NBA uses. too many of the best players are being forced to the bench because they pick up two quick fouls. the game isn't fun to watch when the best players are on the bench, and it goes without saying that scoring will go down when backups are chewing up minutes.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2015, 07:36:21 PM
On the 6 fouls, the Big East did that in the late 90s. I am pretty there was an increase in total fouls and length of games, much gnashing of teeth about its effect on Big Monday in a pre WatchESPN world
Post by: Cire on March 03, 2015, 07:43:18 PM
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 07:44:03 PM
On the 6 fouls, the Big East did that in the early 90s. I am pretty there was an increase in total fouls and length of games, much gnashing of teeth about its effect on Big Monday in a pre WatchESPN world
yeah, that's a valid concern. but does it feel like it's a problem in the NBA?
as far as game length is concerned, i could think of at least a half dozen ways to shorten games without disrupting them in any noticeable way.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2015, 07:44:14 PM
Post by: sys on March 03, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
an easy way to speed up the game without touching the shot clock is reducing the time teams have to get the ball across midcourt from 10 seconds to 8 seconds. you would definitely see teams press more, and in turn, offenses would have to be more decisive and aggressive attacking it.
you rarely see teams get called for 10-second violations against pressing, trapping teams; and when they are in danger, they simply call timeout. the 10-second rule has become almost irrelevant, yet allows teams to walk...the...ball..up...the...court...ever...so...slowly.
i'd also like to see the ncaa adopt the six-foul rule the NBA uses. too many of the best players are being forced to the bench because they pick up two quick fouls. the game isn't fun to watch when the best players are on the bench, and it goes without saying that scoring will go down when backups are chewing up minutes.
i'd rather they just call fouls less
Post by: wetwillie on March 03, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2015, 09:51:56 PM
UK vs Georgia :sdeek:
would be ku's most celebrated win of the year
Post by: Trim on March 03, 2015, 10:06:11 PM
On the 6 fouls, the Big East did that in the early 90s. I am pretty there was an increase in total fouls and length of games, much gnashing of teeth about its effect on Big Monday in a pre WatchESPN world
yeah, that's a valid concern. but does it feel like it's a problem in the NBA?
It's 1 foul per 8 minutes in a game.
Post by: nicname on March 03, 2015, 10:06:25 PM
an easy way to speed up the game without touching the shot clock is reducing the time teams have to get the ball across midcourt from 10 seconds to 8 seconds. you would definitely see teams press more, and in turn, offenses would have to be more decisive and aggressive attacking it.
you rarely see teams get called for 10-second violations against pressing, trapping teams; and when they are in danger, they simply call timeout. the 10-second rule has become almost irrelevant, yet allows teams to walk...the...ball..up...the...court...ever...so...slowly.
i'd also like to see the ncaa adopt the six-foul rule the NBA uses. too many of the best players are being forced to the bench because they pick up two quick fouls. the game isn't fun to watch when the best players are on the bench, and it goes without saying that scoring will go down when backups are chewing up minutes.
An eight or nine-second half-court clock would open up a lot of interesting possibilities.
Post by: j rake on March 03, 2015, 10:44:13 PM
someone please fwd this to the ncaa. :thumbsup:
Post by: mocat on March 03, 2015, 10:48:01 PM
Post by: nicname on March 03, 2015, 10:52:17 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 04, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 04, 2015, 11:10:29 PM
https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/573341524173451264What could he possibly have been trying to say?
:Yuck:
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2015, 11:51:38 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 04, 2015, 11:59:26 PM
I wish Bill Walton called every game. He's the very best.
Bilas could learn a lot from Bill. But he never will.
Post by: nicname on March 05, 2015, 12:27:26 AM
I wish Bill Walton called every game. He's the very best.
Walton on NBA on NBC. Yes, please! Doug Collins was great too.
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2015, 12:42:26 AM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: bones129 on March 05, 2015, 12:45:06 AM
I can't stand Walton. Vitale is the only guy I dislike as much.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Bilas is worse than Walton or Vitale.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2015, 06:36:27 AM
Walton is funny, but in a crazy uncle way. He uses curse words and phrases you've never heard before, which is amusing and keeps you thinking, but then says awful racist stuff that's tolerated because he's crazy.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 05, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2015, 12:14:28 AM
I don't think you need a unique set of skills to play fast either although having multiple players on the floor that are comfortable with the ball in their hand certainly helps to be effective. In college basketball playing fast absolutely hurts you defensively because teams with scholarship limits can't find the proper depth to play fast and have enough players that can guard. There are very few teams in the history of college basketball that play fast but really have the ability to guard. History is littered with teams that play fast and turnover the opponent a lot but still give up a ton of points, but the college game just isn't set up for teams to be deep enough to play good tough defense while playing at an accelerated pace.
Plenty of teams with above average tempos have above average defensive efficiency. A great example is OU - in Big 12 games they have the league's best defensive efficiency but play at the second fastest pace on offense.
I am two days late on this but OU doesn't play fast. Playing faster than most in this conference doesn't mean they play fast; currently yes, but historically not at all.
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2015, 07:20:34 AM
They play faster than most of the country on offense, too. But if you will only define teams such as VMI and Grinnell and 90's LMU as "fast", then you are correct that they do not play fast. No one really plays that fast.I don't think you need a unique set of skills to play fast either although having multiple players on the floor that are comfortable with the ball in their hand certainly helps to be effective. In college basketball playing fast absolutely hurts you defensively because teams with scholarship limits can't find the proper depth to play fast and have enough players that can guard. There are very few teams in the history of college basketball that play fast but really have the ability to guard. History is littered with teams that play fast and turnover the opponent a lot but still give up a ton of points, but the college game just isn't set up for teams to be deep enough to play good tough defense while playing at an accelerated pace.
Plenty of teams with above average tempos have above average defensive efficiency. A great example is OU - in Big 12 games they have the league's best defensive efficiency but play at the second fastest pace on offense.
I am two days late on this but OU doesn't play fast. Playing faster than most in this conference doesn't mean they play fast; currently yes, but historically not at all.
My general point originally was that teams can gain tactical advantage by playing faster than average on offense (without defense suffering). I think this is true even as teams give more and more attention to stopping transition offense.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2015, 08:10:57 AM
Post by: j rake on March 06, 2015, 09:13:05 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 06, 2015, 09:25:26 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2015, 12:51:45 PM
I think you have to compare pace relative to the season and OU is in the fastest 10% of college basketball.
My original point was in a historical context. The fact that Oklahoma is fast in today's context but plays good defense actually fits my point. They are long and athletic but lack depth, I believe that if they fit the historical definition of fast I think their lack of depth would hurt them defensively. This speaks to coaches across the board slowing the game down; they don't want their defenses resembling lay up lines.
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Post by: TownieCat on March 09, 2015, 12:03:31 PM
Ohio Valley Conference tournament was very fun to watch. Great basketball on display from each game I watched. Did any get a chance to see Cameron Payne and his style of play? Great name by the way and goes by 'Cam Payne'. Probably luked somehow. Cam Payne may be the best on court crap talker I've seen since the old days of Gary Payton.I wasn't able to watch the champ game but saw him in the semis. The guy is pure stud.
Also, I hope Murray St gets into the tourney, even if it's the play in game. Their rpi and sos numbers aren't great but they pass the "eye test". It seems pretty dumb that a team that won 25 straight and was ranked by the coaches in March gets left out for some mediocre team from a big conference. They are better than the LSUs, Oklahoma States, and Providences of college basketball this year.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2015, 12:13:59 PM
Ohio Valley Conference tournament was very fun to watch. Great basketball on display from each game I watched. Did any get a chance to see Cameron Payne and his style of play? Great name by the way and goes by 'Cam Payne'. Probably luked somehow. Cam Payne may be the best on court crap talker I've seen since the old days of Gary Payton.I wasn't able to watch the champ game but saw him in the semis. The guy is pure stud.
Also, I hope Murray St gets into the tourney, even if it's the play in game. Their rpi and sos numbers aren't great but they pass the "eye test". It seems pretty dumb that a team that won 25 straight and was ranked by the coaches in March gets left out for some mediocre team from a big conference. They are better than the LSUs, Oklahoma States, and Providences of college basketball this year.
I agree, it would be a damn shame if they don't get in.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 09, 2015, 12:24:53 PM
Ohio Valley Conference tournament was very fun to watch. Great basketball on display from each game I watched. Did any get a chance to see Cameron Payne and his style of play? Great name by the way and goes by 'Cam Payne'. Probably luked somehow. Cam Payne may be the best on court crap talker I've seen since the old days of Gary Payton.I wasn't able to watch the champ game but saw him in the semis. The guy is pure stud.
Also, I hope Murray St gets into the tourney, even if it's the play in game. Their rpi and sos numbers aren't great but they pass the "eye test". It seems pretty dumb that a team that won 25 straight and was ranked by the coaches in March gets left out for some mediocre team from a big conference. They are better than the LSUs, Oklahoma States, and Providences of college basketball this year.
Their best win on the season is Illinois State (RPI 68) at home. The two best teams they played in the nonconference they got absolutely destroyed by, Xavier (37) by 27 and Valpo (61) by rough ridin' 35 on a neutral court. They lost at home to 12-18 Houston (247). There isn't a single team in their conference that's within the RPI top 100. Their resume is complete crap, and they've beaten no one.
Your eyeballs are rough ridin' dumbasses.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 09, 2015, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2015, 09:40:39 PM
Will Gonzaga ever make a final four?
Mark Few has never even taken them to an Elite 8, but 16 straight NCAAs is really good.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 09, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
One e8 in 1999, but ya, not a lot since then.Will Gonzaga ever make a final four?
Mark Few has never even taken them to an Elite 8, but 16 straight NCAAs is really good.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/history/_/team1/6058
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
One e8 in 1999, but ya, not a lot since then.Will Gonzaga ever make a final four?
Mark Few has never even taken them to an Elite 8, but 16 straight NCAAs is really good.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/history/_/team1/6058
That was under Monson, now the Beach's coach. Few was an assistant though.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 09, 2015, 09:49:11 PM
Post by: SdK on March 09, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: j rake on March 09, 2015, 09:52:13 PM
Ohio Valley Conference tournament was very fun to watch. Great basketball on display from each game I watched. Did any get a chance to see Cameron Payne and his style of play? Great name by the way and goes by 'Cam Payne'. Probably luked somehow. Cam Payne may be the best on court crap talker I've seen since the old days of Gary Payton.I wasn't able to watch the champ game but saw him in the semis. The guy is pure stud.
Also, I hope Murray St gets into the tourney, even if it's the play in game. Their rpi and sos numbers aren't great but they pass the "eye test". It seems pretty dumb that a team that won 25 straight and was ranked by the coaches in March gets left out for some mediocre team from a big conference. They are better than the LSUs, Oklahoma States, and Providences of college basketball this year.
Their best win on the season is Illinois State (RPI 68) at home. The two best teams they played in the nonconference they got absolutely destroyed by, Xavier (37) by 27 and Valpo (61) by rough ridin' 35 on a neutral court. They lost at home to 12-18 Houston (247). There isn't a single team in their conference that's within the RPI top 100. Their resume is complete crap, and they've beaten no one.
Your eyeballs are rough ridin' dumbasses.
lol yup :thumbsup:
Post by: sys on March 09, 2015, 10:39:11 PM
Post by: j rake on March 09, 2015, 11:16:50 PM
his point was that osu doesn't deserve to make the tournament. and he's right, obviously.
i thought okla st passed the "eye test." :rolleyes:
Post by: TownieCat on March 10, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
his point was that osu doesn't deserve to make the tournament. and he's right, obviously.
i thought okla st passed the "eye test." :rolleyes:
They've lost 5 of 6 and have looked bad doing it. If OU beats them on Thursday they'll be 18-13. I'd rather see a team that went over 3 months without losing be in than a team that tied for 6th and had a losing record in its conference.
In the past the committee has given teams like Murray St a chance ('13 MTSU, '11 Iona, '06 George Mason).
Post by: PowercatPat on March 10, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
his point was that osu doesn't deserve to make the tournament. and he's right, obviously.
i thought okla st passed the "eye test." :rolleyes:
They've lost 5 of 6 and have looked bad doing it. If OU beats them on Thursday they'll be 18-13. I'd rather see a team that went over 3 months without losing be in than a team that tied for 6th and had a losing record in its conference.
In the past the committee has given teams like Murray St a chance ('13 MTSU, '11 Iona, '06 George Mason).
Murray State is not more deserving than OSU. Murray State would probably go 4-14 at best in the Big 12.
Post by: sys on March 10, 2015, 01:05:04 PM
Murray State is not more deserving than OSU. Murray State would probably go 4-14 at best in the Big 12.
that's irrelevant.
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2015, 01:25:20 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 10, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
You can make a pretty good argument that both don't deserve to be in the tournament. Definitely better than one or the other.
Yeah, but that's the bottom of the bubble every year.
Post by: SdK on March 10, 2015, 01:48:18 PM
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Is Russell Athletic owned by a Ga Tech alum?No
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Post by: PowercatPat on March 10, 2015, 04:42:48 PM
Murray State is not more deserving than OSU. Murray State would probably go 4-14 at best in the Big 12.
that's irrelevant.
True, but their resumes aren't even comparable. OSU has the clear advantage.
Post by: SdK on March 10, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
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Post by: sys on March 10, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
VA Tech with only 3 turnovers. Why did Buzz leave Marquette?
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vatech gave him a better contract.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 10, 2015, 04:56:39 PM
VA Tech with only 3 turnovers. Why did Buzz leave Marquette?new AD at Marquette, saw writing on the wall about the Big East becoming a mid major and heard Gottlieb on 810 Buzz really wanted Texas but thought Barnes had turned it around and would be there for awhile after last season.
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Post by: SdK on March 10, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Ahhh. Makes sense.VA Tech with only 3 turnovers. Why did Buzz leave Marquette?new AD at Marquette, saw writing on the wall about the Big East becoming a mid major and heard Gottlieb on 810 Buzz really wanted Texas but thought Barnes had turned it around and would be there for awhile after last season.
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Post by: Skipper44 on March 10, 2015, 05:00:08 PM
he actually made more at Marquette and reportedly had a mid six figures speaking gig with a big Marquette donor that is a Wall Street hot shot.VA Tech with only 3 turnovers. Why did Buzz leave Marquette?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
vatech gave him a better contract.
I think he could be a tremendous rebound hire for KSU if he flames out at a very tough job in Blacksburg.
Post by: sys on March 10, 2015, 05:42:19 PM
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Williams determined it was wiser to jump while he was still ahead, and though his contract at Virginia Tech is technically for less money on a per-year basis, it's a seven-year deal with an automatic rollover clause that will never allow it to be less than a five-year deal, meaning the security provided makes it a better deal for a man openly planning for the day he's fired.
williams is a fascinating person. if brad underwood didn't exist, there isn't another coach i'd rather have coach at kansas state than buzz williams. but of course, underwood does exist.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24592329/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vtu
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/buzz-williams-left-marquette-for-virginia-tech-and-many-wonder-why/2015/03/09/b6809952-c667-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2015, 06:47:51 PM
If SD made one of those lines with coaching candidates buzz would be in the no rough ridin' way he is ever coming line you guise.I'm pretty sure he was already on one of SD's line thingies before.
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Post by: Skipper44 on March 11, 2015, 12:18:19 AM
It's kind of weird that there is still a guy playing for BYU that played against our Elite 8 team.I thought the same thing and then I got sad when I did the math on how long it had been :(
Post by: TownieCat on March 11, 2015, 09:06:15 AM
It's kind of weird that there is still a guy playing for BYU that played against our Elite 8 team.I thought the same thing and then I got sad when I did the math on how long it had been :(
I understand that missions are a major part of BYU's student experience, but it seems kind of weird that the NCAA grants their student athlete's a 6th year of eligibility.
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Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2015, 10:45:08 PM
I understand that missions are a major part of BYU's student experience, but it seems kind of weird that the NCAA grants their student athlete's a 6th year of eligibility.It's kind of weird that there is still a guy playing for BYU that played against our Elite 8 team.I thought the same thing and then I got sad when I did the math on how long it had been :(
It also seems really weird that several of their Offensive lineman chose to do missions and then come back at 300lbs while their stud QBs have delayed their missions until after lengthy NFL careers (or never gone at all). Must be that O-lineman are especially devout.
Post by: j rake on March 12, 2015, 12:40:02 PM
now, left to his own devices, he's gone NIT and likely NIT once again. against inferior michigan, groce's pushoverin illini are about to lose by 20.
Post by: CHONGS on March 12, 2015, 12:52:02 PM
the honeymoon is over for john groce. sure, he had a good debut year, but he did it with oscar's players.The Vortex of crap that is KSU, Illinois, and South Carolina basketball right now is funny.
now, left to his own devices, he's gone NIT and likely NIT once again. against inferior michigan, groce's pushoverin illini are about to lose by 20.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 12, 2015, 01:00:50 PM
the honeymoon is over for john groce. sure, he had a good debut year, but he did it with oscar's players.
now, left to his own devices, he's gone NIT and likely NIT once again. against inferior michigan, groce's pushoverin illini are about to lose by 20.
Yeah, next year will be substantially similar to the last three. He is a terrible offensive coach, and he hasn't recruited a big 10-caliber PG yet. If he gets one he'll probably stick around bubble-humping. If not he'll be fired in 2-3 years. Oh well. oscar made it easy to let go.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 12, 2015, 01:06:00 PM
the honeymoon is over for john groce. sure, he had a good debut year, but he did it with oscar's players.The Vortex of crap that is KSU, Illinois, and South Carolina basketball right now is funny.
now, left to his own devices, he's gone NIT and likely NIT once again. against inferior michigan, groce's pushoverin illini are about to lose by 20.
The Illinois part is just boring.
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Marshall Henderson is attending the South Carolina vs Ole Miss game. The color guy just said he now plays professionally in Baghdad :love:
He does.
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Frank is coaching his ass off on SEC network. Tie game a minute to play.
:horrorsurprise:
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Just because Pearl competed better with Kentucky using less talent doesn't necessarily mean he is a better coach than Self.
Welp
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Post by: j rake on March 17, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
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The mirror is the perfect place for Groce to start his evaluation. This was an Illini team made to do more. Groce just finished his third season in Champaign, and his teams don’t seem to be improving. He led a team largely built by oscar Weber to the NCAA Tournament in his first season and followed that with an NIT appearance last season.
Barring the selection committee sniffing glue between now and Sunday, the Illini are headed back to the Not Invited Tournament.
groce :frown:
Post by: Mr Bread on March 17, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
QuoteThe mirror is the perfect place for Groce to start his evaluation. This was an Illini team made to do more. Groce just finished his third season in Champaign, and his teams don’t seem to be improving. He led a team largely built by oscar Weber to the NCAA Tournament in his first season and followed that with an NIT appearance last season.
Barring the selection committee sniffing glue between now and Sunday, the Illini are headed back to the Not Invited Tournament.
groce :frown:
That guy doesn't know crap. This wasn't a team made to do more. It didn't have a big 10-caliber PG once oscar's leavings got hurt and even then Abrams was a liability on offense more often than not. That of course is Groce's fault. He's swung and missed for three classes now. If he doesn't get a good one he's going to get fired because of it.
Lies to suggest this team, particularly with the injuries and suspensions, was supposed to actually be good though. The consensus heading into the season was 7th to 9th or thereabouts in the big 10 before any of that crap went down. They were 8th. It's garbage, but it was expected by everybody that's not a fat Down's baby working for the local CBS affiliate.
He's going to get two more years unless they really tank next year. Like oscar this year bad. His offense is crap though and I hate it.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/16/ashley-judd-twitter_n_6877900.html?cps=gravity_2425_4196572836326736001
The Phog hate for Judd and all thing UK is very deep, but it's sexual violence component that is the give away.
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 17, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
It might take Illinois a decade to recover from oscar. :frown:
It's entirely possible it never will. Could be the end of oscar is what it is now. Pointless crap that nobody who doesn't suck donkey dicks is willing to root for.
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Post by: Mr Bread on March 17, 2015, 04:41:23 PM
Or it could be that Illinois (Where Mediocrity Thrives) chose Jim Groce to replace oscar Weber. Jim Groce.
Quite a pickle you got there, pepperdax.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2015, 07:48:12 PM
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That guy who got hurt for Hampton had a giant Chiefs tattoo on his shoulder. :lol:He's Derrick Thomas's son. :surprised:
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That guy who got hurt for Hampton had a giant Chiefs tattoo on his shoulder. :lol:He's Derrick Thomas's son. :surprised:
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How did Saiz get out of Kansas and to Olé Miss anyway?Cause the prep school he went to hates everyone in the state. Hield is the biggest miss out of them all.
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
Didn't realize Grant got fired
didn't even let him coach the NIT. sad....
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2015, 09:53:26 PM
How did Saiz get out of Kansas and to Olé Miss anyway?Cause the prep school he went to hates everyone in the state. Hield is the biggest miss out of them all.
But did you see my acute accent placement?
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I think he looks like a woman.I bet you wouldn't say that to his face!
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No. I wouldnt. Guy can ball.I think he looks like a woman.I bet you wouldn't say that to his face!
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:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
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Might have to change my Xavier pick.To Olé Miss
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Post by: bones129 on March 18, 2015, 12:13:22 AM
pretty great 2nd half(didn't watch the 1st)
Yes, second half was a good watch. Pretty exciting in the last few minutes. These First Four games can be pretty good.
Post by: j rake on March 18, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
a) NIT, CBI, and CIT totals get bet over immediately at open every year (typically by an average of 3 pts, almost regardless of number). teams don't take these mostly pointless tourneys as seriously as they do league play, so tempo naturally speeds up, and games are more free flowing.
b) the opening #'s were terrible. CRIS used full-season KP projected totals with very slight adjustments, and apparently didn't realize that his projections presumed a 35-second clock rather than a 30-second clock. so, while i'll concede that the betting market assumed more possessions (and consequently more points), the line moves will be far less pronounced tomorrow...when the opening lines won't be as terrible.
overs went just 8-7 on the day against the closing line. the illinois game and jmu game went over very late and easily could have gone under. so, i wouldn't say anything super out of the ordinary occurred.
the miami-nc central game had a 52 tempo at halftime and finished 58 for the game (less than projected). the bowling green-st francis game had a 57 tempo at halftime and finished 61 for the game (below projected). Pitt-GW finished 64 (but was closer to 60 at halftime) and wasn't much above projected pace.
other tempos:
montana-a&m 64 (at projected)
JMU-Upstate 61 (slower than projected)
Norfolk-EKU 64 (slower than projected)
Lafayette-Incarnate Word 70 (slower than projected)
Oakland-Eastern Illinois 81 (far faster than projected)
Murray St-UTEP 70 (faster than projected, but tons of fouls)
Illinois-Alabama 63 (slower than projected)
Tulsa-W&M 63 (slower than projected)
Iona-Rhode Island 80 (far faster than projected, but 65 FT's inflated it)
La Tech-CMU 76 (faster than projected)
games involving slow vs slow teams exclusively finished 64 tempo or lower. the average tempo of all games played was 67.3, which is probably a decently fair estimate considering there was a good mix of fast, average and slow paced teams. obviously, the sample is still too small, but the tempo compares similarly to the 66.5 average tempo we saw in non-con play.
if i were to guess, the shot clock change won't have a dramatic effect on scoring. i still think you'll see teams grind out games in league play, and i still think efficiency is going to become more of a problem (i.e., defenses will have more motivation to force long possessions, and offenses will be forced to take rushed shots more frequently). jim larranaga mentioned earlier today that he thinks teams would use more 3/4 court pressure to slow down opposing offenses, as well as more zone, including varying looks designed to confuse.
anybody else have any observations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
Post by: TownieCat on March 18, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
Sunrise has produced several good D1 players lately. Nairn at Mich St and Olesani at Iowa also come to mind. A large number of them are foreign students.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2015, 11:13:57 AM
Post by: j rake on March 18, 2015, 12:08:54 PM
I was interested in the pace, but I'd be even more interested in efficiency. It's still a really small sample at this point, the numbers from all the games when it's done will be interesting.
i'm skeptical of how much we'll learn from the efficiency simply because few teams are putting a premium on defense in these pointless tourneys, and because the scouting and familiarity of opponent is unlikely to resemble anything close to what you see during league play.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2015, 12:11:49 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 18, 2015, 12:15:42 PM
:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
Sunrise has produced several good D1 players lately. Nairn at Mich St and Olesani at Iowa also come to mind. A large number of them are foreign students.
Buddy Hield
Post by: Yard Dog on March 18, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
I don't think we'll learn anything about anything from this experiment
Agreed. Though POTUS Barack Obama did say that he was in favor of a shot clock reduction at least down to 30 seconds if not more during his annual bracket reveal. So while the data won't support any conclusion, people have already made up their minds how they'll skew the data to mean what they want.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 18, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
Thanks, Luke_dick!:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
Sunrise has produced several good D1 players lately. Nairn at Mich St and Olesani at Iowa also come to mind. A large number of them are foreign students.
Buddy Hield
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2015, 01:17:46 PM
:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
Sunrise has produced several good D1 players lately. Nairn at Mich St and Olesani at Iowa also come to mind. A large number of them are foreign students.
Buddy Hield
Bahamas
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2015, 08:47:12 PM
Post by: sunny_cat on March 18, 2015, 08:50:31 PM
:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
Sunrise has produced several good D1 players lately. Nairn at Mich St and Olesani at Iowa also come to mind. A large number of them are foreign students.
Buddy Hield
Bahamas
yes but he went to sunrise academy
Post by: TownieCat on March 18, 2015, 08:53:29 PM
i think robert morris has a good shot of winning 2 games in tourney this yearBoth play in games with the 16s were very entertaining, but horrible basketball.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2015, 09:10:57 PM
But a foreigner:thumbs: I covered a few of Sun Rise Academy's games back in the day. They've always got crazy players you've never heard of cause they're not in a league.
Yeah, they don't really count as a Kansas High School. They are a prep school in Kansas. It's too bad we couldn't land Clark.
Sunrise has produced several good D1 players lately. Nairn at Mich St and Olesani at Iowa also come to mind. A large number of them are foreign students.
Buddy Hield
Bahamas
yes but he went to sunrise academy
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2015, 10:31:57 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 18, 2015, 11:46:11 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 19, 2015, 02:05:02 AM
Post by: cDubya on March 19, 2015, 07:22:57 AM
Let's break the record for most OT games in a tournament this year guys, whaddaya say!?!?!
Would take.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 10:40:28 AM
Let's break the record for most OT games in a tournament this year guys, whaddaya say!?!?!
What's the current record?
(you brought it up, so you should provide the stat. . .I'm busy working and whatnot) ;)
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 10:55:43 AM
The single day record is 4. It happened on the first Thursday last year.Let's break the record for most OT games in a tournament this year guys, whaddaya say!?!?!
What's the current record?
(you brought it up, so you should provide the stat. . .I'm busy working and whatnot) ;)
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 11:00:55 AM
The single day record is 4. It happened on the first Thursday last year.Let's break the record for most OT games in a tournament this year guys, whaddaya say!?!?!
What's the current record?
(you brought it up, so you should provide the stat. . .I'm busy working and whatnot) ;)
Would be pretty awesome. I'm an anarchist when my team isn't in the bracket so I want all the drama and all the upsets. :crossfingers:
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
The afternoon slate looks great tho! :Woot:
Post by: Dub on March 19, 2015, 11:15:15 AM
Who was in charge of scheduling these games, and why does the day start with three 3/14's and a 2/15? :zzz:
The afternoon slate looks great tho! :Woot:
Because of what you just said. More people will watch in the afternoon.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 19, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 11:41:51 AM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 11:46:11 AM
Bracket be damned. Go Northeastern!
I have Notre Dame beating the hawks. . .that aint going to happen if they lose to the huskies. :facepalm:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 11:55:22 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 11:57:14 AM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2015, 11:59:08 AM
The thing about these smaller schools is their first 5 can compete, but once they start getting into foul trouble, they're screwed!
ND failed to put them away early. This game is going down to the wire now.
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 11:59:17 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 12:03:26 PM
Spoiler alert. About 80% of these games are going to go "down to the wire".The thing about these smaller schools is their first 5 can compete, but once they start getting into foul trouble, they're screwed!
ND failed to put them away early. This game is going down to the wire now.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Spoiler alert. About 80% of these games are going to go "down to the wire".The thing about these smaller schools is their first 5 can compete, but once they start getting into foul trouble, they're screwed!
ND failed to put them away early. This game is going down to the wire now.
ND is the one in foul trouble.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
Iowa State Iowa Stating.Niang already in foul trouble. Could lead to trouble.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 12:07:54 PM
Iowa State Iowa Stating.They always do.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 12:21:45 PM
Just realized I don't care about my bracket. UK all the way and lots of upsets.
Im on board with this, but I helped Mrs. Yard Dog with her work bracket and had ISU winning the whole thing. Going to look really silly if they lose early.
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 12:23:47 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2015, 12:28:49 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 12:29:10 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 19, 2015, 01:19:37 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 19, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
Iowa State Iowa Stating.They always do.
They made the Sweet 16 last year :dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
Iowa Stating isn't always a bad thing. They're up and down all the time.Iowa State Iowa Stating.They always do.
They made the Sweet 16 last year :dunno:
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 01:37:09 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 01:37:35 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 19, 2015, 01:39:29 PM
crap. Iowa State has the potential to destroy all of my brackets here.
Same. I'll hunt Havs down and punch him in the nose on general principle.
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 01:40:32 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 01:41:06 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 19, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 01:42:32 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 01:43:45 PM
Post by: HELLHAMMER on March 19, 2015, 01:46:09 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 01:46:33 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 19, 2015, 01:46:53 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2015, 01:48:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2015, 01:49:35 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2015, 01:51:11 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 01:51:38 PM
also, man jarrod hasse has a huge jarrod ass because he eats 24/7/365
Post by: meow meow on March 19, 2015, 01:52:22 PM
anyone who says "well my bracket is busted" probably has a punchable face.
also, man jarrod hasse has a huge jarrod ass because he eats 24/7/365
:lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
Do you get it now?!Iowa Stating isn't always a bad thing. They're up and down all the time.Iowa State Iowa Stating.They always do.
They made the Sweet 16 last year :dunno:
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 02:01:19 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
Sorry Yard Dog. :(
Why can't the BIGXII have nice things? This is like a couple years ago when Baylor lost to UCF in a BCS bowl. Just embarrassing. :frown:
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 02:06:02 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 02:06:49 PM
guys this is what jarrod hasse is eating right now i bet
Post by: kstatefan11 on March 19, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTm6IyBRyPt_NTcp9vP-vAz6TutQz_DaFZzOC6EwOU5h_mKdOXrA)
guys this is what jarrod hasse is eating right now i bet
Yeah, I read his book in high school.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fca.pbsstatic.com%2Fl%2F11%2F9211%2F9780965839211.jpg&hash=657ace29d0ab4765525e7c1bb9209d2779b868f3)
Doesn't look like he's getting many of these anymore. Unless he knocks his fries off the table.
Post by: PIPE on March 19, 2015, 02:24:39 PM
Anyways, the wife was in the kitchen and I said, "hey mom, you remember who Jerod Haas was?" She was like "oh, ya, that hot guy that played at KU?" My son and I started laughing and I said "ya, he aint hot anymore!!!!!!"
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
I was home for lunch and when they went to halftime they inverviewed Haas, and I thought "holy crap, that is the dude that used to play for KU". My son did not know who he was (he's only 14).
Anyways, the wife was in the kitchen and I said, "hey mom, you remember who Jerod Haas was?" She was like "oh, ya, that hot guy that played at KU?" My son and I started laughing and I said "ya, he aint hot anymore!!!!!!"
yeah pipe!
Post by: Spracne on March 19, 2015, 02:29:47 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 02:33:42 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 19, 2015, 02:35:34 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 19, 2015, 02:35:50 PM
Post by: sunny_cat on March 19, 2015, 02:37:27 PM
Iowa state i believed in you
you must be pretty dumb
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 19, 2015, 02:41:24 PM
Had em losing in the sweet 16Iowa state i believed in you
you must be pretty dumb
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:41:49 PM
Post by: meow meow on March 19, 2015, 02:42:16 PM
Had em losing in the sweet 16Iowa state i believed in you
you must be pretty dumb
thanks for sharing Greg
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:42:37 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:43:22 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 02:43:41 PM
If you look closely enough, all fanbases have little-dick syndrome. Could you be more specific or maybe offer some examples?
You're right. K-State aka GPC aka Scout has it toward KU. But the phog especially, the constant need of reassurance that the Jayhawks are better, more prestigious or whatever than the next team or school is overwhelming. Not just with the Kentuckys or Dukes of the world, but with teams like ISU.
It's like "Tell me I'm pretty. Tell me I'm prettier than her!" The Dax validation and affirmation complex.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 19, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Not a problemHad em losing in the sweet 16Iowa state i believed in you
you must be pretty dumb
thanks for sharing Greg
Post by: CHONGS on March 19, 2015, 02:47:49 PM
The B12 was el-stinko this year.
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:48:13 PM
Turner gonna hit a 3!Told you.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 02:48:24 PM
Post by: ltrain on March 19, 2015, 02:48:44 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:50:20 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 19, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 19, 2015, 02:58:14 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 02:58:23 PM
What a crapfest and Texas is probably going to lose as well.That'd be hilarious to hear Currie give as the reasoning.
All the more reason to fire oscar Weber for not making it to the NCAA tourney in this crapfest conference.
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 03:00:04 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 03:01:07 PM
Batting .333 :frown:
that's a great batting average!
Post by: bones129 on March 19, 2015, 03:01:48 PM
Post by: ednksu on March 19, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
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Post by: Unruly on March 19, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2015, 03:04:25 PM
Post by: Fldermaus on March 19, 2015, 03:10:54 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 19, 2015, 03:17:22 PM
Is this year's Big XII the most overrated conference ever?yes. confirmed.
:bball:
Post by: AbeFroman on March 19, 2015, 03:30:35 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 03:31:54 PM
Serious question: Did anyone really buy that the Big 12 was one of the all time strongest conferences? Other than delusional ku and clone fans obvsI think the fact that our team was able to win as many as we did should have been a dead giveaway.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 19, 2015, 03:33:08 PM
Serious question: Did anyone really buy that the Big 12 was one of the all time strongest conferences? Other than delusional ku and clone fans obvs
no. our best teams would be middle of the pack in the ACC and big 10.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 19, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
I dont' give a crap about how a conference is perceived
you should. because conference perception = tourney bids. which helps KSU.
Post by: j rake on March 19, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
Serious question: Did anyone really buy that the Big 12 was one of the all time strongest conferences? Other than delusional ku and clone fans obvs
i did, but only to help support my various straw men arguments and to help in my attempts to play devil's rakevocate.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 03:37:02 PM
I dont' give a crap about how a conference is perceived
you should. because conference perception = tourney bids. which helps KSU.
70% of our conference is in the tourney.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 03:38:19 PM
Serious question: Did anyone really buy that the Big 12 was one of the all time strongest conferences? Other than delusional ku and clone fans obvs
no. our best teams would be middle of the pack in the ACC and big 10.
No one did, but I think most felt that there were a lot of pretty good teams, not a lot of mediocre teams.
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 19, 2015, 03:40:39 PM
I dont' give a crap about how a conference is perceived
you should. because conference perception = tourney bids. which helps KSU.
70% of our conference is in the tourney.
that's my point. perception is important. In reality, BigXII blows dick - probably only deserved 4 bids. But, it was perceived as a strong conference - resulting in 7 bids.
Post by: ednksu on March 19, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 19, 2015, 03:57:14 PM
Two random upsets confirm absolutely nothing about the actual strength of the Big 12. It certainly affects the perception, though.
could be. but, good teams don't lose those games.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 03:59:03 PM
2015: #3 Iowa State loses to #14 UAB
2015: #3 Baylor loses to #14 Georgia State
2013: #4 Kansas State loses to #13 LaSalle
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
Two random upsets confirm absolutely nothing about the actual strength of the Big 12. It certainly affects the perception, though.
could be. but, good teams don't lose those games.
Sure they do, every year.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 04:01:28 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 19, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Fair question. . .which loss is the worst?oscar's loss because it was in the Sprint Center
2015: #3 Iowa State loses to #14 UAB
2015: #3 Baylor loses to #14 Georgia State
2013: #4 Kansas State loses to #13 LaSalle
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 04:02:54 PM
Fair question. . .which loss is the worst?
2015: #3 Iowa State loses to #14 UAB
2015: #3 Baylor loses to #14 Georgia State
2013: #4 Kansas State loses to #13 LaSalle
They're all bad, but Baylor was up 12 with less than 3 minutes left. That is inexcusable. Their win probability had to be about 99% when it was 56-44.
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 19, 2015, 04:08:12 PM
Sure they do, every year.
Every year, good conferences get swept in the first day of play? I get upsets. But, the performance thus far indicates to me that BigXII is not strong.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
Sure they do, every year.
Every year, good conferences get swept in the first day of play? I get upsets. But, the performance thus far indicates to me that BigXII is not strong.
Yeah, today was rare (I mean, it's rare that two 3's lose in the same tournament period), but it's definitely random. Baylor and ISU are both good teams despite today's results.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 19, 2015, 04:16:56 PM
NoFair question. . .which loss is the worst?oscar's loss because it was in the Sprint Center
2015: #3 Iowa State loses to #14 UAB
2015: #3 Baylor loses to #14 Georgia State
2013: #4 Kansas State loses to #13 LaSalle
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 04:19:39 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 19, 2015, 04:19:50 PM
Post by: TheCatFanSpeaks on March 19, 2015, 04:22:25 PM
Oh my SMU
:Wha:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 04:26:10 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 04:26:18 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 04:33:05 PM
Questionable call, but a really dumb play.I'm sure from his perspective it didn't look dumb at all.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
the big 12 sucks ass
Like so much ass. Like more ass than is in that wierd Bubble Butt music video.
https://youtu.be/hR-NXv5Tma0
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 04:35:30 PM
Ya. If he doesn't touch it, it bounces to the guy behind him and he lays it in to tie it.Questionable call, but a really dumb play.I'm sure from his perspective it didn't look dumb at all.
Post by: TownieCat on March 19, 2015, 04:39:20 PM
Ya. If he doesn't touch it, it bounces to the guy behind him and he lays it in to tie it.Questionable call, but a really dumb play.I'm sure from his perspective it didn't look dumb at all.
Or you block the guy out instead and make your FTs and move on. It's all hindsight now.
Fans may not agree with the call, but by what is written in the rules it was correct. The ball was on the rim and he touched it. The rule doesn't state "Only call goaltending if you think the ball is definitely going in..."
Post by: EMAWzified on March 19, 2015, 04:47:03 PM
Baylor? Never surprised to see them lose or win. And I never understood the love media-types have been giving Texas the last couple of days.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 04:54:13 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on March 19, 2015, 04:54:58 PM
ISU kind of played to form, tho. They had a chance to claim the conference crown and promptly lost to OU at home and us. Kind of weak at the core.
Baylor? Never surprised to see them lose or win. And I never understood the love media-types have been giving Texas the last couple of days.
I dont see WVU making it past UK (sorry Coal Man), I don't see Oklahoma State making it past Wisconsin let alone Oregon. So that leaves us with OU and KU to route for. . .and I just can't see a deep run by Lon's crew. . .and this is KU's weakest year in awhile. Bye-bye positive league perception.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 19, 2015, 05:09:55 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 19, 2015, 05:19:01 PM
ISU kind of played to form, tho. They had a chance to claim the conference crown and promptly lost to OU at home and us. Kind of weak at the core.
Baylor? Never surprised to see them lose or win. And I never understood the love media-types have been giving Texas the last couple of days.
I dont see WVU making it past UK (sorry Coal Man), I don't see Oklahoma State making it past Wisconsin let alone Oregon. So that leaves us with OU and KU to route for. . .and I just can't see a deep run by Lon's crew. . .and this is KU's weakest year in awhile. Bye-bye positive league perception.
At this rate I'll just be glad if WVU makes it TO the UK game.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2015, 05:19:12 PM
Ya. If he doesn't touch it, it bounces to the guy behind him and he lays it in to tie it.Questionable call, but a really dumb play.I'm sure from his perspective it didn't look dumb at all.
Or you block the guy out instead and make your FTs and move on. It's all hindsight now.
Fans may not agree with the call, but by what is written in the rules it was correct. The ball was on the rim and he touched it. The rule doesn't state "Only call goaltending if you think the ball is definitely going in..."
Yep. The ball had no shot, but you simply can't touch a ball that close to the rim on a jump shot. The official who made the call had no angle to see that the ball didn't really have a chance. The defender put the game into his hands by making contact with the ball instead of blocking out.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
VCU Is a fun teamHe's actually recruiting quite a bit of top 150 guys there now. Imagine what he could do at a power 5 school. :surprised:
Post by: HELLHAMMER on March 19, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
Tucks would rough ridin' hate Sharks.VCU Is a fun teamHe's actually recruiting quite a bit of top 150 guys there now. Imagine what he could do at a power 5 school. :surprised:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 06:16:53 PM
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Post by: Spracne on March 19, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 06:24:38 PM
So, not over that phase, then. #CaseClosedHe's a prick. What can I say?! :dunno:
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 06:53:51 PM
Holy crap, do I look like Nick Wright too? Please say no.:nono: Wacky
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2015, 06:54:33 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
Post by: sys on March 19, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
IN YOUR FAT FACE SYS
i was lying when i excluded isu and baylor from my big 12 teams i hope get mumped list. i hope they all get mumped.
Post by: The Big Train on March 19, 2015, 07:10:01 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:13:19 PM
Lumberjack time :emawkid:Pretty shitty looking thus far.
Post by: Pendergast on March 19, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 07:27:52 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:32:06 PM
Eject Ellis#cincypurdue
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
What an idiot!Eject Ellis#cincypurdue
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:34:39 PM
:cry:What an idiot!Eject Ellis#cincypurdue
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2015, 07:38:01 PM
Post by: Trogdor on March 19, 2015, 07:47:10 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
Honest to god heard the Wabash being played by one of the bands at the SFA-Utah game, I think they're trying to send a message to UnderwoodCanary and I heard it as well.
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2015, 07:51:43 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
Lumberjack time :emawkid:Pretty shitty looking thus far.
SFA isn't going to break 20 at half. Their offense looks like garbage.:cheers:
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
SFA isn't going to break 20 at half. Their offense looks like garbage.
Huge disadvantage in size has more to do with it than anything. They were trying to go inside early, but kept getting swatted/ altered.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
Lumberjack time :emawkid:Pretty shitty looking thus far.SFA isn't going to break 20 at half. Their offense looks like garbage.:cheers:
:dubious:
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 19, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 08:05:46 PM
Cutting in from commercial, one of the SFA/Utah bands was playing Wabash canonball.
Checked up on that. It's a thing at SFA.
Post by: ltrain on March 19, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
Post by: joda on March 19, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 08:32:28 PM
:DLumberjack time :emawkid:Pretty shitty looking thus far.SFA isn't going to break 20 at half. Their offense looks like garbage.:cheers:
:dubious:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 19, 2015, 08:51:46 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 19, 2015, 08:56:04 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 19, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2015, 09:13:50 PM
Comeon fighting Underwoods!
They've already shown me more than enough. Come home.
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
I mean, Brad can't win an NCAA tourney game either. No better than oscar.
he already did one time
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 19, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2015, 09:30:41 PM
Post by: Fldermaus on March 19, 2015, 10:13:48 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 19, 2015, 10:22:30 PM
I hate how so many teams have uniforms with stripes that make it look like they're wearing fanny packs.
lol
Post by: Skipper44 on March 19, 2015, 10:26:45 PM
Is SFA a mid major or low major? Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit.low major, you have to occasionally be a multi bid league to be a mid major imo
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2015, 10:51:21 PM
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2015, 10:55:58 PM
I hate how so many teams have uniforms with stripes that make it look like they're wearing fanny packs.Adidas
Post by: bones129 on March 19, 2015, 10:56:11 PM
The importance of every possession in the tournament is so much fun.
Wofford is certainly realizing that tonight.
Post by: bones129 on March 19, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
I hate how so many teams have uniforms with stripes that make it look like they're wearing fanny packs.Adidas
Surprised Adidas didn't put its trademark three stripes on the unis.
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 08:36:51 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2015, 08:38:37 AM
Not surprised at all that Brad lost to Utah last night considering he has never beaten a team from a Power 5 conference. :buh-bye:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fpm6KalW.gif&hash=44c42810a09c7e51339be3ddd1eb254338fbbe69)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 20, 2015, 08:39:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2015, 09:11:02 AM
Post by: mocat on March 20, 2015, 09:31:11 AM
Not surprised at all that Brad lost to Utah last night considering he has never beaten a team from a Power 5 conference. :buh-bye:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fpm6KalW.gif&hash=44c42810a09c7e51339be3ddd1eb254338fbbe69)
^ this is what goEMAW.com is all about
Post by: mocat on March 20, 2015, 09:31:29 AM
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
Not surprised at all that Brad lost to Utah last night considering he has never beaten a team from a Power 5 conference. :buh-bye:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fpm6KalW.gif&hash=44c42810a09c7e51339be3ddd1eb254338fbbe69)
^ this is what goEMAW.com is all about
Yup. Someone comes in with a fact that goes against the gE narrative and gets blown up for it. ;)
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 11:54:40 AM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 20, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
What is up with taking two steps and passing? I'd like to see guys start doing that in the backcourt as well. It'd be a travel there though.I really wonder if they would call it a travel there. Would be interesting to see what they call.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2015, 01:24:13 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBdtXgK3uF4
Post by: Havs on March 20, 2015, 01:26:39 PM
The importance of every possession in the tournament is so much fun.
Huh?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
The importance of every possession in the tournament is so much fun.
Huh?
Well, when you win or don't have a dog in the hunt.
Losing an early Thursday game is the worst. Sorry Havs.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 20, 2015, 01:41:20 PM
The importance of every possession in the tournament is so much fun.
Huh?
Well, when you win or don't have a dog in the hunt.
Losing an early Thursday game is the worst. Sorry Havs.
SEE I TOLD YOU ITS MORE FUN WITH NO DOG IN THE HUNT
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 20, 2015, 02:16:19 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 20, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
Wichita St is going to mess this up for us, aren't they?
I hope not. My Dad and I are planning to meet up in Omaha for the game Sunday.
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 02:32:37 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
You can still meet up.Wichita St is going to mess this up for us, aren't they?
I hope not. My Dad and I are planning to meet up in Omaha for the game Sunday.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 20, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 20, 2015, 02:42:35 PM
You can still meet up.Wichita St is going to mess this up for us, aren't they?
I hope not. My Dad and I are planning to meet up in Omaha for the game Sunday.
Yes but I was looking forward to going to a game with him while wearing a ridiculously ugly yellow shirt. Also never been to Omaha.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 02:47:14 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 02:53:22 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 20, 2015, 02:56:26 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
I think the Shockers will win
This reminds me of '11 vs Wisconsin. One player carrying the whole damn team.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 20, 2015, 03:14:56 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 03:16:50 PM
Post by: EMAWzified on March 20, 2015, 03:21:07 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 03:30:39 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 20, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 03:32:58 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
Baker vs Walkup, who's better? I think Walkup, more quicks.
Baker is single handedly keeping IU in this game.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 20, 2015, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 20, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
Post by: EMAWzified on March 20, 2015, 03:42:37 PM
Will Spradling > Ron Baker ????You can see why Frank passed on him. Meh
Post by: Spracne on March 20, 2015, 04:21:18 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 20, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
I think the Shockers will win
This outcome is basically a win-win for me. Now I will get to bro out with my Dad and if KU wins I can continue supporting TSC and laugh at WSU or if WSU wins it will make my Dad happy.
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 04:23:47 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2015, 04:27:41 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 04:43:15 PM
opcorn: in the Lou/UCI game
Post by: DQ12 on March 20, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 20, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
If I was a KU fan I'd be shitting myself.either way, ther's going to be a lot of crap talking before and after Sunday's game. :excited:
Post by: Spracne on March 20, 2015, 04:53:18 PM
If I was a KU fan I'd be shitting myself.
Are you kidding me? This is fantastic.
Post by: DQ12 on March 20, 2015, 04:54:34 PM
I'd be terrified. If KU loses they'll never hear the end of it. If they win, like, who cares?If I was a KU fan I'd be shitting myself.
Are you kidding me? This is fantastic.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 04:56:54 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 05:06:47 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 20, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
Is Pitino going to Lous? :eek:No
Post by: DQ12 on March 20, 2015, 05:25:24 PM
I wish Greg Marshall would guarantee a win or something crazyYeah and if he pulled a Ravishing Rick Rude and started making overtures about how after he wins he's gonna show Mrs. Self what a real man looks like.
Post by: Spracne on March 20, 2015, 05:35:53 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 05:44:47 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 05:50:22 PM
Post by: Fldermaus on March 20, 2015, 06:13:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 06:41:46 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 20, 2015, 06:56:10 PM
Maryland looks like they have a male genitals and balls on the side of their shorts.
:sdeek:
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 07:16:55 PM
Marshall should make a $1,000 bet with Self through the media. Surely Gregg could afford to lose a 'G'.:D
Post by: Fldermaus on March 20, 2015, 07:21:53 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
:ROFL:
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 07:50:46 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 07:52:21 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 20, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Travis ford is one helluva ball coach
He's indescribable.
Post by: BackPayne on March 20, 2015, 08:59:58 PM
Travis ford is one helluva ball coach
He's indescribable.
He leaves me speechless. I mean, I am so speechless I can't even talk.
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: CatMission on March 20, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
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Post by: CatMission on March 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM
I find myself cheering for nd state over gonzaga. actually I'm really hoping the roof collapses.Save that wish for Omaha Sunday afternoon.
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Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 09:37:09 PM
Not sure if anyone else saw post-game interview with Kruger. There was a little cheerleader snuggled up right next to him. Old habits die hard.Screenshot?
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Post by: CatMission on March 20, 2015, 09:37:54 PM
No. Too lazy.Not sure if anyone else saw post-game interview with Kruger. There was a little cheerleader snuggled up right next to him. Old habits die hard.Screenshot?
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Post by: Spracne on March 20, 2015, 10:23:29 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 10:36:27 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
1: UK
2: PC
3: KSU
Post by: CatMission on March 20, 2015, 11:46:58 PM
I bet CatMission tells the best stories down at the convenience store over a coffee and a megabucks scratcher...I hate coffee.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on March 20, 2015, 11:49:56 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 20, 2015, 11:52:11 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 11:54:17 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 20, 2015, 11:55:11 PM
I'm rooting for Dayton, but Providence is getting hosed a little bit.
Interesting technical foul.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2015, 11:56:11 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 20, 2015, 11:59:19 PM
How the eff did Dayton get a game in their gym then travel to Columbus for their next game? Ffs.
Luck?
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 12:03:46 AM
Bullshit. I get it they HAD to play in their own gym. But the last at large should not get a draw right down the road.How the eff did Dayton get a game in their gym then travel to Columbus for their next game? Ffs.
Luck?
Post by: bones129 on March 21, 2015, 12:05:29 AM
Bullshit. I get it they HAD to play in their own gym. But the last at large should not get a draw right down the road.How the eff did Dayton get a game in their gym then travel to Columbus for their next game? Ffs.
Luck?
Conspiracy?
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 12:14:24 AM
Yep. KU is probably behind it.Bullshit. I get it they HAD to play in their own gym. But the last at large should not get a draw right down the road.How the eff did Dayton get a game in their gym then travel to Columbus for their next game? Ffs.
Luck?
Conspiracy?
Post by: TownieCat on March 21, 2015, 12:17:42 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2015, 10:52:25 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2015, 10:54:56 AM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2015, 11:00:04 AM
He has a point.Not really. Wichita st. has made runs in the tourney the last 3 years and are coming off an undefeated season. It's just a rough ridin' spread. It's the NCAA Tournament. All these games are close. It doesn't matter where you come from, unless you're Kentucky.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2015, 11:08:59 AM
However, only 1 national title and no one besides KU making Final Fours (WVU was Big East) for 10 years is a bad look for the league and the quality of the league. Until someone else makes a run, it will continue to look bad.
Post by: TownieCat on March 21, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 21, 2015, 12:23:32 PM
Tomorrow is going to be super awkward for that bald white dude who transferred from KU to WSU.
Beems and friend's butts right now
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.sodahead.com%2Fpolls%2F002230011%2F2237803212_img_9194_xlarge.jpeg&hash=eb95c4f563d71d9781db2f2eab96305598c54626)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2015, 02:07:41 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 02:11:29 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
I haven't watched Kentucky closely all year. My god, their defense is amazing.They're all super long and athletic. Even their guards. It's sexy.
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 02:32:56 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2015, 02:34:03 PM
WCS is very good a DOBs.
Can you imagine him and Angel on the same team? :sdeek:
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 02:38:46 PM
I don't usually say things like this, but the announcers are kind of ruining this game. It's been a close defensive game, but Verne and company are oohing and aahing over everything UK does and really pushing the Cincy hanging on by a thread narrative.
Yes. It's bad enough they gave them a home court, they don't need to have homer announcers too. Almost unwatchable.
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 02:39:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 02:39:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2015, 02:44:53 PM
I don't usually say things like this, but the announcers are kind of ruining this game. It's been a close defensive game, but Verne and company are oohing and aahing over everything UK does and really pushing the Cincy hanging on by a thread narrative.
Yes. It's bad enough they gave them a home court, they don't need to have homer announcers too. Almost unwatchable.
don't be dweebs, guys
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 02:49:09 PM
Oh get over it. UK is THE blue blood and they are undefeated.
I will not. :curse:
Post by: stunted on March 21, 2015, 03:01:13 PM
WCS is very good a DOBs.
Can you imagine him and Angel on the same team? :sdeek:
WCS would lead nation in orebs
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Ha!WCS is very good a DOBs.
Can you imagine him and Angel on the same team? :sdeek:
WCS would lead nation in orebs
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 03:05:57 PM
I don't usually say things like this, but the announcers are kind of ruining this game. It's been a close defensive game, but Verne and company are oohing and aahing over everything UK does and really pushing the Cincy hanging on by a thread narrative.
Yes. It's bad enough they gave them a home court, they don't need to have homer announcers too. Almost unwatchable.
don't be dweebs, guys
@ cDub, That's not what I'm saying. They just pushed the David v Goliath deal a bit hard imo.
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 03:10:28 PM
I don't usually say things like this, but the announcers are kind of ruining this game. It's been a close defensive game, but Verne and company are oohing and aahing over everything UK does and really pushing the Cincy hanging on by a thread narrative.
Yes. It's bad enough they gave them a home court, they don't need to have homer announcers too. Almost unwatchable.
don't be dweebs, guys
@ cDub, That's not what I'm saying. They just pushed the David v Goliath deal a bit hard imo.
No, you're right. I was just intentionally manipulating your words to fit my narrative.
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 03:15:32 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 03:16:23 PM
I like that this game is getting chippy. Ellis is pretty cool.
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
Did you see him get ejected from their last game?
I like that this game is getting chippy. Ellis is pretty cool.
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
Did you see him get ejected from their last game?
I like that this game is getting chippy. Ellis is pretty cool.
I did.
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 03:20:24 PM
Ok.Did you see him get ejected from their last game?
I like that this game is getting chippy. Ellis is pretty cool.
I did.
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 03:30:09 PM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 03:51:11 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
If Huggs' 'eers can get by Maryland the UK v WVU game could be very fun.I'm rooting for that.
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 04:04:21 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 04:10:35 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2015, 04:29:03 PM
I haven't watched Kentucky closely all year. My god, their defense is amazing.They're all super long and athletic. Even their guards. It's sexy.
Like 0.82 ppp today. They are ridiculous.
Post by: TownieCat on March 21, 2015, 05:31:17 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 05:33:52 PM
Thad Matta looks terrible.
Always does. Doubt it bothers him much.
Post by: TownieCat on March 21, 2015, 05:34:59 PM
He's always sweaty, but the stubble makes him look like an alcoholic.Thad Matta looks terrible.
Always does. Doubt it bothers him much.
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2015, 05:58:04 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
https://twitter.com/zhelfand/status/579413655806222336
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 06:10:20 PM
Oh man.
https://twitter.com/zhelfand/status/579413655806222336
Wow, totally RT'ing that...
Post by: sunny_cat on March 21, 2015, 06:14:15 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2015, 06:17:39 PM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
Did you guys catch Reggie Miller calling out Harlan for calling an AAU coach "well spoken"?I did. What a stud.
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 06:23:29 PM
Did you guys catch Reggie Miller calling out Harlan for calling an AAU coach "well spoken"?
It was :lol:
Post by: bones129 on March 21, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 21, 2015, 07:22:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 07:35:03 PM
Post by: slobber on March 21, 2015, 08:10:43 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 08:11:24 PM
That foul on NC State was bunk. Traveled before any contactrough rider wasn't even shooting.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: bones129 on March 21, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
Post by: slobber on March 21, 2015, 08:22:17 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
Post by: catzacker on March 21, 2015, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
It's tough when even the flute player is crying.
She played right through the pain
Post by: joda on March 21, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
It's tough when even the flute player is crying.
She played right through the pain
Lol, missed this, anyone get a screenshot?
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 08:40:36 PM
Post by: cDubya on March 21, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
It's tough when even the flute player is crying.
She played right through the pain
Lol, missed this, anyone get a screenshot?
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/579458087062392833
Post by: joda on March 21, 2015, 08:53:44 PM
It's tough when even the flute player is crying.
She played right through the pain
Lol, missed this, anyone get a screenshot?
Check out @CBSSportsCBB's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/579458087062392833?s=09
Lol, found a gif on Twitter too
Post by: Spracne on March 21, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 08:57:11 PM
Post that linkIt's tough when even the flute player is crying.
She played right through the pain
Lol, missed this, anyone get a screenshot?
Check out @CBSSportsCBB's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/579458087062392833?s=09
Lol, found a gif on Twitter too
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 21, 2015, 09:03:48 PM
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2015, 09:11:36 PM
So how many of us studs had the NC State upset?! :gocho:
Wanted to. Instead put Nova in NCG.
Post by: joda on March 21, 2015, 09:31:28 PM
https://vine.co/v/OYHAu0Eq3Ed (https://vine.co/v/OYHAu0Eq3Ed)Post that linkIt's tough when even the flute player is crying.
She played right through the pain
Lol, missed this, anyone get a screenshot?
Check out @CBSSportsCBB's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/579458087062392833?s=09
Lol, found a gif on Twitter too
Post by: kso_FAN on March 21, 2015, 09:32:58 PM
Post by: joda on March 21, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 11:13:49 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2015, 01:24:42 AM
https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/579466782471249920
That's really good.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 22, 2015, 02:13:41 AM
Post by: 8manpick on March 22, 2015, 08:33:13 AM
Wolfpack is probably the coolest team name ever, right?4 lyfe
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Wolfpack is probably the coolest team name ever, right?yes, it carried them to the elite 8 in my 5 year-old's mascot based bracket where they get beat by the Spartans.
Post by: Benja on March 22, 2015, 12:58:16 PM
That's a piccolol.
Slow clap.
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 01:18:09 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2015, 01:21:10 PM
Still, possibly the best tournament coach? Or at least the luckiest.
Post by: cDubya on March 22, 2015, 01:24:35 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 22, 2015, 01:26:36 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 22, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
TownieCat :sdeek:
opcorn:
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 01:32:15 PM
Izzo is an elite recruiter.
Still, possibly the best tournament coach? Or at least the luckiest.
hes good but definitely not elite. He doesn't get the players cal, self, barnes, coach k, roy etc. do.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
He's definitely below them but definitely gets mcdAA's pretty regularlyIzzo is an elite recruiter.
Still, possibly the best tournament coach? Or at least the luckiest.
hes good but definitely not elite. He doesn't get the players cal, self, barnes, coach k, roy etc. do.
Post by: TownieCat on March 22, 2015, 02:15:51 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2015, 02:42:24 PM
http://statsheet.com/bhsb/mcplayers_by_college (http://statsheet.com/bhsb/mcplayers_by_college)NC State, wow
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
http://statsheet.com/bhsb/mcplayers_by_college (http://statsheet.com/bhsb/mcplayers_by_college)
Good find, the numbers at the top are mind blowing. 1 out of every 3 burger boys goes to UK, Duke, KU, UNC since 2000.
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 04:04:18 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 04:33:18 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 22, 2015, 05:00:47 PM
Checking in from Section 122 of the Century Link arena. Between WSU and KU fans I have never seen so many brand new t shirts. Its like they ran into Wal mart or Kansas Sampler and grabbed the first shirt they saw. Like some people's shirts still have fold.marks on them
lol
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 22, 2015, 05:06:54 PM
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Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2015, 05:39:06 PM
i f*cking hate Kissinger and Higgins.
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
Post by: sys on March 22, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
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Post by: CNS on March 22, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 22, 2015, 05:51:51 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2015, 05:54:26 PM
kstate should fire weber tonight. for not recruiting van vleet when he was at illinois.to be fair, no one recruited vanvleet
Post by: DQ12 on March 22, 2015, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2015, 05:57:47 PM
Self is getting trucked. WTH was that zone?ya, very odd. hey this team can kill it from the outside, let's try a zone.
Post by: CNS on March 22, 2015, 05:58:08 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 22, 2015, 05:59:49 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2015, 06:00:53 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 06:07:02 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:07:08 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:07:47 PM
KU fans are starting to melt down. I can't repeat what I just heard a guy say about Wayne SeldenCan't decide whether his eyes are attractive or creepy? Me either. :dunno:
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 06:08:10 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2015, 06:12:46 PM
Post by: sys on March 22, 2015, 06:13:51 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:14:06 PM
its sad that I honest to f****** god almost checked out and didn't want to watch this f****** game once I saw John Higgins was refereeing that is absurd that he has such control of a f****** basketball game. I f****** hate that guy.
phog.
Post by: joda on March 22, 2015, 06:15:10 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 06:16:31 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:17:33 PM
Gregg can hardly contain himselfI know. Giggling like a schoolgirl.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2015, 06:18:40 PM
Post by: CNS on March 22, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2015, 06:22:27 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:24:38 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 22, 2015, 06:25:05 PM
Post by: Dub on March 22, 2015, 06:26:02 PM
Booing Brownback. Lawl.
This was great
Post by: EMAWican on March 22, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2015, 06:26:23 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 22, 2015, 06:27:34 PM
Post by: slobber on March 22, 2015, 06:27:44 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: sys on March 22, 2015, 06:28:46 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:29:49 PM
cruising to an easy win over ku on natl tv while the announcers go on and on about how ku is afraid to schedule you has to be wsu's ultimate fantasy.KU is just making it worse.
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 06:30:32 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2015, 06:31:40 PM
Post by: CNS on March 22, 2015, 06:32:28 PM
cruising to an easy win over ku on natl tv while the announcers go on and on about how ku is afraid to schedule you has to be wsu's ultimate fantasy.Def a Greg Marshal wet dream.
Post by: KST8FAN on March 22, 2015, 06:33:32 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 06:35:54 PM
Had to be Brock and his dad, right?
Gonna win 'em all!
:gocho:
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2015, 06:35:58 PM
Did CBS briefly show a crying KU fan?(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapatalk.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F15%2F03%2F22%2Fcd98235b4d75e82baa177bc07c6a237a.jpg&hash=298c79b2b16483dd2d11a014822ebc9fde0b7bec)
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 06:39:16 PM
BeiberDid CBS briefly show a crying KU fan?(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapatalk.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F15%2F03%2F22%2Fcd98235b4d75e82baa177bc07c6a237a.jpg&hash=298c79b2b16483dd2d11a014822ebc9fde0b7bec)
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 06:45:33 PM
Post by: nicname on March 22, 2015, 06:53:46 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 06:55:09 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on March 22, 2015, 06:55:36 PM
Tom
Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 06:58:18 PM
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Post by: Odd1 on March 22, 2015, 07:01:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2015, 07:02:57 PM
Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, UCLA, Arizona, Michigan State... man this is shaping up to be a fantastic Sweet 16.. Looks like a Blue Blood Convention.
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Post by: Brock Landers on March 22, 2015, 07:08:20 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2015, 07:15:44 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
Post by: slobber on March 22, 2015, 08:10:36 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
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Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2015, 08:55:15 PM
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 22, 2015, 08:56:48 PM
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Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2015, 09:01:31 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 22, 2015, 09:03:38 PM
Does Greg Marshall remind anyone else of this guy?
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 22, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Gw5AbXK2ooA%2FU_FzUui1ZSI%2FAAAAAAAAD_4%2FmbZmcimDkmA%2Fs1600%2FRaidersLostArk9_001Pyxurz.jpg&hash=a3740a096b48c498d3f60df230c9f8922656a361)lol I was thinking the same thing the other day.
Does Greg Marshall remind anyone else of this guy?
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2015, 09:09:49 PM
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Post by: nicname on March 22, 2015, 10:34:55 PM
Post by: SdK on March 22, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
Huggs is 8-2 vs Cal.:excited: should be a great game
Post by: cDubya on March 23, 2015, 12:22:01 AM
:peek:
Post by: wetwillie on March 23, 2015, 06:53:49 AM
Post by: cDubya on March 23, 2015, 07:56:18 AM
Maryland had one D1 ball handler and he got concussed in the second half. Kentucky is going to slice through their press like a hot knife through butter.
I'm just enjoying the ride, man. :dance:
Post by: TownieCat on March 23, 2015, 08:50:33 AM
'Grats to WV tho. I was worried after the KU game that the Valley would have more S16 teams than the Big 12. Thank goodness that's not the case :D
Post by: cDubya on March 23, 2015, 09:01:34 AM
It's really tough to prepare for WV's pressure in 2 days. Kentucky has twice as much time and a lot better ball handlers. UK's guards are also tall enough to pass over the press. Going to be a lot of dunks.
Yep, WVU has nothing on UK's height. That's gonna hurt.
But hey, at least it's not Wichita State... :lol:
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2015, 11:10:15 AM
"I wish I could play against Cal, we'd have a better chance."It's really tough to prepare for WV's pressure in 2 days. Kentucky has twice as much time and a lot better ball handlers. UK's guards are also tall enough to pass over the press. Going to be a lot of dunks.
Yep, WVU has nothing on UK's height. That's gonna hurt.
But hey, at least it's not Wichita State...
:love:
Post by: cDubya on March 23, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
"I wish I could play against Cal, we'd have a better chance."It's really tough to prepare for WV's pressure in 2 days. Kentucky has twice as much time and a lot better ball handlers. UK's guards are also tall enough to pass over the press. Going to be a lot of dunks.
Yep, WVU has nothing on UK's height. That's gonna hurt.
But hey, at least it's not Wichita State...
:love:
Did you see him trash Seth Davis and Jay bilas too?!
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2015, 11:33:09 AM
I did not. What did he say?"I wish I could play against Cal, we'd have a better chance."It's really tough to prepare for WV's pressure in 2 days. Kentucky has twice as much time and a lot better ball handlers. UK's guards are also tall enough to pass over the press. Going to be a lot of dunks.
Yep, WVU has nothing on UK's height. That's gonna hurt.
But hey, at least it's not Wichita State...
:love:
Did you see him trash Seth Davis and Jay bilas too?!
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2015, 11:34:53 AM
kstate should fire weber tonight. for not recruiting van vleet when he was at illinois.to be fair, no one recruited vanvleet
I think this makes fact it more inexcusable for an insufferable goof who can't recruit elite talent. There was no one to beat!
Post by: cDubya on March 23, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/bob-huggins-jay-bilas-doug-gottlieb-seth-davis-buffalo/257944 (http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/bob-huggins-jay-bilas-doug-gottlieb-seth-davis-buffalo/257944)
From there...
Huggins said he didn’t put much stock in predictions from “a guy who couldn’t shoot 50 percent at the free-throw line and another guy who played intramurals at Duke.”
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
And Gottleib as well...
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/bob-huggins-jay-bilas-doug-gottlieb-seth-davis-buffalo/257944 (http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/bob-huggins-jay-bilas-doug-gottlieb-seth-davis-buffalo/257944)
From there...
Huggins said he didn’t put much stock in predictions from “a guy who couldn’t shoot 50 percent at the free-throw line and another guy who played intramurals at Duke.”
I knew about the gottlieb stuff but not the bilas stuff. Pure gold.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 23, 2015, 11:50:37 AM
https://twitter.com/WestVaPride/status/579639601045880833
:peek:
Those o's are infuriating
Post by: mocat on March 23, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
Lol at Brownback getting booed when they showed him. And long sleeve pink shirt with a gray T-shirt over? What on earth
just noticed his wife (i assume) "are we getting booed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enkILtkjInQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enkILtkjInQ)
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2015, 03:48:46 PM
Lol at Brownback getting booed when they showed him. And long sleeve pink shirt with a gray T-shirt over? What on earth
just noticed his wife (i assume) "are we getting booed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enkILtkjInQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enkILtkjInQ)
:lol:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 23, 2015, 03:51:43 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 23, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
I can't believe he actually left the house like that. I figured he just showed up in the pink button down shirt and one of his people gave him a t-shirt to wear when he got to the game. He tucked that t-shirt into his slacks and everything.
Post by: mocat on March 23, 2015, 04:06:28 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 23, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/15815_1106669499359027_1101812482007510571_n.jpg?oh=a216cd8c22b4eb11a2b9fcff433f3006&oe=557803BD)
I can't believe he actually left the house like that. I figured he just showed up in the pink button down shirt and one of his people gave him a t-shirt to wear when he got to the game. He tucked that t-shirt into his slacks and everything.
a pretty good representative of kansas fwiw
Post by: kso_FAN on March 24, 2015, 05:33:18 PM
http://www.biztechmagazine.com/article/2015/03/march-madness-2015-duke-university-leads-college-basketball-s-data-revolution
Post by: dal9 on March 24, 2015, 05:41:02 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 24, 2015, 05:53:44 PM
K-State needs to get this too.
http://www.biztechmagazine.com/article/2015/03/march-madness-2015-duke-university-leads-college-basketball-s-data-revolution
Quote
For example, Duke’s coaches always preach to players to take good shots. They’ve long believed that a catch-and-shoot three-point attempt has a higher degree of success than a three-pointer launched off the dribble — and SportVU’s stats prove it.
This year, the team has worked on taking more high-percentage three-point shots, and it’s made a difference, Cullen says. For example, through the end of the regular season, the team had attempted 383 catch-and-shoot three-pointers and made 41 percent of them. In contrast, the team had made only 33 percent of its three-point shots off the dribble.
:nono:
Post by: cDubya on March 26, 2015, 07:53:04 PM
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 26, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 26, 2015, 08:20:18 PM
Irish got 33 pts in under 10 min
33 pts on 14-16FG with 5 3pt. So that's over 100% eFG on those 17 poss
33 pts in 17 poss.
About as good of a 10 min stretch that u can ask for
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2015, 08:26:40 PM
Wsu took 1st lead of game at 38-37, and then.....That's Wendy's sponsoring the Wooden award type stuff.
Irish got 33 pts in under 10 min
33 pts on 14-16FG with 5 3pt. So that's over 100% eFG on those 17 poss
33 pts in 17 poss.
About as good of a 10 min stretch that u can ask for
Post by: chum1 on March 26, 2015, 08:32:52 PM
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Post by: SdK on March 26, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
Cdubs, start a WVU vs UK game thread
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 26, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 26, 2015, 10:45:32 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 26, 2015, 10:51:21 PM
Xavier doesn't get enough credit for their consistency. This is their 6th Sweet 16 since 2004 along with 2 Elite 8s. Extremely good in the tournament.
thad matta and Sean Miller then chris mack is just an unbelievable lineage of coaches.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 26, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Xavier doesn't get enough credit for their consistency. This is their 6th Sweet 16 since 2004 along with 2 Elite 8s. Extremely good in the tournament.
thad matta and Sean Miller then chris mack is just an unbelievable lineage of coaches.
They are one of favorite programs outside of K-State. Play tough basketball too.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 26, 2015, 11:02:05 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2015, 08:07:11 PM
Pangos is like the quintessential Gonzaga player. The name, the hair, true PG.
He reminds me somewhat of the best gonzaga pg to ever play:
Dan "get yo" Dickau
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2015, 08:14:42 PM
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Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
louisville uni's are a little strange, not sure how i feel about thema lot of Adidas teams have the cummerbund for the tournament
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2015, 08:41:59 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2015, 08:49:18 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2015, 08:53:23 PM
https://twitter.com/jonsolomoncbs/status/581632343821193217
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
Last night while watching Kentucky just bludgeon West Virginia last night I was pretty taken aback by the sheer size difference. It was evident in the first round game as well, but didn't register as much against a No. 16 seed. Then, while watching the other games I naturally started thinking about who could match up with Kentucky. Obviously how they stacked up size-wise was the prevailing thought, and first I was just giving it the eye test. Eventually I figured it might be fun to look at the numbers. As always kenpom was there.
**For a more in-depth look KP breaks it down. http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=82 <--- interestingly enough, KP points out that while height is crucial inside, it really isn't all that important in the back court as long as the kid can play.
The six teams already slotted into the Elite Eight by effective height per kenpom. He defines effective height as the average height of centers and power forwards with some kind of weight given to minutes played.
Kentucky - No. 1
Gonzaga - No. 3
Wisconsin - No. 4
*Arizona - No. 20
Louisville - No. 34
Notre Dame - No. 213
The four teams currently playing for the right to advance ranked in the same fashion.
Utah (No. 16) v Duke (No. 28)
Oklahoma (No. 135) v Michigan State (No. 233)
Also interesting are the high seeds that have been eliminated.
(1) Villanova - No. 161
(2) Virginia - No. 55
(2) Kansas - No. 104
Other Big 12 teams
(3) Iowa State - No. 191
(3) Baylor - No. 153
(5) West Virginia - No. 112
(9) Oklahoma State - No. 144
(11) Texas - No. 18
As with anything there are outliers with specific qualities (OU and ND can really shoot). This is definitely nothing earth shattering, but it's interesting when illustrated a bit with numbers.
*Arizona's Stanley Johnson is listed at 6-6 223 on kenpom.com, but most other sources show him as 6-8 245. He also plays small forward, so I'm not sure how he factors in. I'm sure other teams have similar discrepancies, but Johnson stuck out to me.
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2015, 10:20:52 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2015, 11:23:45 PM
Tom Izzo teabagged lon in the second half. an absolute master of his craft.
Pitino vs Izzo :excited:
Post by: sys on March 27, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
Tom Izzo teabagged lon in the second half. an absolute master of his craft.
if tom izzo thinks we should give weber a lifetime contract, we should probably just go ahead and do so. he's earned that right.
Post by: sys on March 28, 2015, 12:08:53 AM
Best league in country sends 0 of 7 possible teams to elite 8.
better late than never, kenpom drops the big 12 by over 0.0300 points over the course of the ncaa tournament. the 2015 big 12 finishes (tentatively, since they can still move a little based on remaining games by opponents) fifth in big 12 kenpom history, behind 2003, 2008, 2009 and 2010.
Post by: cDubya on March 28, 2015, 07:23:13 AM
If I'm not mistaken, WVU would be 3rd in the conference in that stat? Pretty shocking, given the Mountaineers have one big man, at best. And even he is only 6'9". So would KP be saying that WVU was doing more with less?
Post by: TownieCat on March 28, 2015, 11:45:21 AM
Crazy.He's 12-1 in the Sweet 16. Just incredible.
https://twitter.com/jonsolomoncbs/status/581632343821193217
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 28, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
Izzo vs Pitino is an unmoveable object vs an unstoppable force.MSU is playing lights out right now. They probably should've beat Wisconsin in the big 10 title game but let it slip away. Knocking off Virginia and OU back to back are two best wins in the tourney so far.
Izzo is 1-0 vs Pitino. Beat him in the 09 E8.
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 05:17:11 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 28, 2015, 05:36:37 PM
I'd like to see a Wisconsin Vs Kentucky matchup
Same
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 06:53:53 PM
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Post by: Powercat Posse on March 28, 2015, 07:13:53 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 07:16:04 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 28, 2015, 07:18:19 PM
Crazy.
https://twitter.com/jonsolomoncbs/status/581632343821193217
Since 87' Pitino and Izzo.... 26-4 in Rd of 32 gms, 21-5 in Sweet 16.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 28, 2015, 07:21:06 PM
PP what is whiskys PPP second half?
49 pts in 31 poss....as Decker just drained a 3. Still over 100% (14-18 with 9 3pt)
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 07:33:18 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 28, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
Az 45 pts on 34 2nd hf poss after making 11 of last 14 FGs in 1st half.....not too shabby either
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 08:40:08 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2015, 08:50:21 PM
It was Rutgers' final win of the season.
On January 7th.
Post by: signature move on March 28, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
I just noticed that Rutgers beat Wisconsin this year.
It was Rutgers' final win of the season.
On January 7th.
kaminsky was out. still a shitty loss, but somewhat understandable. road games, etc.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
I just noticed that Rutgers beat Wisconsin this year.
It was Rutgers' final win of the season.
On January 7th.
Jackson went down in that game too. They have no bench. Next year they're going to be as bad as they've ever been under Bo if Dekker leaves early. They'll still make the tournament though.
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 09:05:08 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 28, 2015, 09:07:02 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 09:09:25 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 09:11:08 PM
If bo is smart he will ride out into the sunset
He is old as eff. Maybe he enjoys it though. They just lost out on Diamond Stone to Turdjon and war turtle. Even with this success and immediate minutes at C, he couldn't close on a home state blue chipper.
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 28, 2015, 09:19:37 PM
Champs are on the ropes
They're not the champs.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2015, 09:28:32 PM
This game is too much fun. I'm naturally gravitating to the underdog, and their play is backing it up, but you have to respect just how good UK is. Just a wonderfully exciting game.
Yes. Have a feeling UK D/size is too much in crunch time, they will get ball in paint and to line.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
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Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2015, 09:36:23 PM
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
i want whatever nicname is on tonight :ROFL:
Channeling my inner Bill Walton.
.... Towns is too much. That 3-pt play might be it there.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2015, 09:42:18 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2015, 09:46:18 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2015, 09:46:37 PM
eff these constant timeouts.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 09:46:55 PM
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2015, 09:47:33 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2015, 09:47:48 PM
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:48:37 PM
that was like the holloway/Crawford 3 :Wha:
And then Pullen (or Clemente).
!!!!!
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2015, 09:49:22 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:50:20 PM
I miss Gus. This game has not been elevated by the announcing crew.
True. Shows how great of a game that it hasn't mattered.
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 09:55:49 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 09:56:25 PM
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2015, 09:58:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 09:59:17 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 28, 2015, 10:00:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 10:00:34 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 10:01:32 PM
Champs are on the ropes
They're not the champs.
Kiss the ring bitch
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2015, 10:02:50 PM
UK last missed FG was 12:05 left on the clock 9 for 9 down the stretch...#38-0 #BBN #Closers
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 10:03:02 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2015, 10:05:43 PM
:Wha: <--- that whole game. ND played almost perfectly. UK's greatness was almost overshadowed by the Irish's performance. That was the best NCAA bball game in years.
Yes, very fun to watch.
Post by: chum1 on March 28, 2015, 10:06:08 PM
Champs are on the ropes
They're not the champs.
Kiss the ring bitch
UConn's ring?
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 10:06:45 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2015, 10:07:17 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2015, 10:08:20 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 10:11:38 PM
:Wha: <--- that whole game. ND played almost perfectly. UK's greatness was almost overshadowed by the Irish's performance. That was the best NCAA bball game in years.come on son get UK's nuts out of your mouth for a second
nd did a lot of good things but not close to almost perfect
their offense shut down in the last 8 minutes and decided to go similar to k-state's give the ball to foster style
seemed like they saw they were close and clinched up, they lost that game more than Kentucky winning it
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
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Fake Bo Pelini
@FauxPelini
.@NotreDame Don't feel bad Jesus didn't value his final possessions either
:lol:
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 10:13:28 PM
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 10:14:04 PM
:Wha: <--- that whole game. ND played almost perfectly. UK's greatness was almost overshadowed by the Irish's performance. That was the best NCAA bball game in years.come on son get UK's nuts out of your mouth for a second
nd did a lot of good things but not close to almost perfect
their offense shut down in the last 8 minutes and decided to go similar to k-state's give the ball to foster style
seemed like they saw they were close and clinched up, they lost that game more than Kentucky winning it
Like Kevin Harlan said in Jake's last game. "This is fun to watch."
Post by: chum1 on March 28, 2015, 10:16:53 PM
And, yeah, ND was far from perfect.
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 10:21:09 PM
Let's all pat ourselves on the back for watching a basketball game.
And, yeah, ND was far from perfect.
There's a difference between patting your own back and appreciating something really great. A lot more fun that being the cynic.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 28, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
what's not cynical about licking calipari's scrotum?
how earnest are you about your message board persona?
#clamsQ
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
Team POSS PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
Kentucky 57 1.20 57.4% 19.4% 40.0% 42.6%
Notre Dame 57 1.16 50.0% 12.3% 40.6% 23.2%
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 10:30:39 PM
why beat around the bush?what's not cynical about licking calipari's scrotum?
how earnest are you about your message board persona?
#clamsQ
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 10:30:59 PM
Post by: sunny_cat on March 28, 2015, 10:31:30 PM
im torn between a UK vs UL or UK vs Duke championship game.
UK v. UL
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2015, 10:34:45 PM
im torn between a UK vs UL or UK vs Duke championship game.
UK v. UL
I think Duke v UK would be a better game.
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2015, 10:37:34 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2015, 10:38:16 PM
im torn between a UK vs UL or UK vs Duke championship game.
UK v. UL
I think Duke v UK would be a better game.
im leaning that way myself
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2015, 10:38:49 PM
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/582023397024006144
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
Ken!ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/582023397024006144
Post by: bones129 on March 29, 2015, 12:05:04 AM
im torn between a UK vs UL or UK vs Duke championship game.
UK v. UL
I think Duke v UK would be a better game.
im leaning that way myself
Agreed. Duke-UK definitely the better contest, although a UK-Louisville matchup would be a week-long media frenzy and create civil war in Kentucky.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 29, 2015, 06:38:52 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 29, 2015, 08:22:30 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
Ken!ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/582023397024006144
like i said earlier, their offense fell apart late in the game. you could tell what was going to happen when it slowed to a half court game.
i think their players were just spent. you could see them not moving up the court as fast and their cuts were basically in slow motion. i think the best thing they could have done was to force the transition game and make it as ugly as they could but they didn't have it in them. i doubt brey told them too either, he was wanting to limit UK possessions. UK was going to score in their half court sets every time.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2015, 09:34:02 AM
https://twitter.com/foxsportslive/status/582032475611758593
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2015, 09:45:26 AM
Yeah but they literally did nothing for like 20 seconds on their next-to-last possession. They could have gotten their shot blocked 15 seconds earlier and been able to have at least 15 seconds on their last possession. Fatigue had nothing to do with it.Ken!ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/582023397024006144
like i said earlier, their offense fell apart late in the game. you could tell what was going to happen when it slowed to a half court game.
i think their players were just spent. you could see them not moving up the court as fast and their cuts were basically in slow motion. i think the best thing they could have done was to force the transition game and make it as ugly as they could but they didn't have it in them. i doubt brey told them too either, he was wanting to limit UK possessions. UK was going to score in their half court sets every time.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2015, 09:56:26 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 10:15:12 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2015, 10:20:38 AM
you can't say fatigue had nothing to do with it. you think the first possession of the game would have looked similar? we all know it wouldn't have.It had nothing to do with not attempting a 2 for 1. Kentucky we getting one full possession no matter what.
I don't think Notre Dame would have won if they'd shot earlier, but it was still dumb not to try.
Post by: catzacker on March 29, 2015, 10:25:30 AM
ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
I don't understand why they don't see the value in this. The "quick" shot is usually a decent look at a 3.
Post by: IPA4Me on March 29, 2015, 10:44:31 AM
I have family in the Kentucky. :curse:Ya. Me too. Think I'll walk outside and enjoy some bluegrass views.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
I don't understand why they don't see the value in this. The "quick" shot is usually a decent look at a 3.
"Usually" has no value in this case where they're playing the best defense in college basketball. I'm stunned that no one is speaking up for Brey's decision here. Points are certainly more important than getting two shots there. It's not like getting a second possession is guaranteed, I'd assume that Kentucky is also a good oboarding team. Doing whatever the best thing is to get points is the right play in a tie game with under a minute left, sheesh. They got to that point by valuing possessions it would be amazingly stupid to just chuck it up at that point, ultimate panic move.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
ultimately it comes down to ND being too fatigued to get off a good shot once brey made the call to skip the 2-1. without some fluke crap, ND couldn't win that game, 2-1 or not.
Post by: catzacker on March 29, 2015, 11:23:26 AM
ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
I don't understand why they don't see the value in this. The "quick" shot is usually a decent look at a 3.
"Usually" has no value in this case where they're playing the best defense in college basketball. I'm stunned that no one is speaking up for Brey's decision here. Points are certainly more important than getting two shots there. It's not like getting a second possession is guaranteed, I'd assume that Kentucky is also a good oboarding team. Doing whatever the best thing is to get points is the right play in a tie game with under a minute left, sheesh. They got to that point by valuing possessions it would be amazingly stupid to just chuck it up at that point, ultimate panic move.
I guess if they are the greatest defense of all time, it doesn't matter when you shoot the ball in the shot clock, however i'd rather have 2 chances than one.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
ND should have shot earlier on the possession before. college coaches can't comprehend a 2 for 1.
I don't understand why they don't see the value in this. The "quick" shot is usually a decent look at a 3.
"Usually" has no value in this case where they're playing the best defense in college basketball. I'm stunned that no one is speaking up for Brey's decision here. Points are certainly more important than getting two shots there. It's not like getting a second possession is guaranteed, I'd assume that Kentucky is also a good oboarding team. Doing whatever the best thing is to get points is the right play in a tie game with under a minute left, sheesh. They got to that point by valuing possessions it would be amazingly stupid to just chuck it up at that point, ultimate panic move.
They weren't trying to get the best shot, they were trying to get a shot as late as possible. They couldn't limit Kentucky's possessions at that point (unless they got a offensive rebound. And they absolutely chucked up a desperation shot on that possession, while starting to try for a shot 15-20 seconds earlier could have gotten them at least as good a look, but also given them time for another 15 second possession.
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 29, 2015, 02:06:15 PM
Post by: SdK on March 29, 2015, 02:06:43 PM
They just said that Wisc vs. UK will be the third Final 4 rematch in history. They have to mean in consecutive years, right?Have to.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 04:14:56 PM
i love his game. best since who?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2015, 04:24:36 PM
imo, okafor is the best college player in a really long time.
i love his game. best since who?
Beaz
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 04:51:53 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2015, 04:55:24 PM
imo, okafor is the best college player in a really long time.
i love his game. best since who?
Tim Duncan at Wake
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 29, 2015, 05:22:25 PM
imo, okafor is the best college player in a really long time.
i love his game. best since who?
Anthony Davis. He led that UK team in scoring, rebounds, blocks and steals. Okafor has him on offensive post moves and that's about it.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 05:44:34 PM
the question is who is as good as or better than okafor. my God, try to keep up "bread"
Post by: Mr Bread on March 29, 2015, 05:51:21 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2015, 06:39:05 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2015, 08:20:56 PM
They just said that Wisc vs. UK will be the third Final 4 rematch in history. They have to mean in consecutive years, right?
Yes.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 08:27:53 PM
I would take Davis on my team over Okafor and my team would cram its balls down the throat of any Okafor teams that were assembled. Davis is better at basketball and was as a freshman. 0kafor is a nice fat-assed, slow-footed post player for people who swing that way. Not to my taste.
davis was a good college player. that's about it.
okafor is a different level type of player that obviously beat the living crap out of you at least twice a week when you were in high school, because that's obvious.
anyway, buy some band aids and heal the eff up. maybe some Neosporin. wtf.
skipper, what the hell is wrong with you? i'm guessing there was a lot of lead paint in the house you grew up in.
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
Post by: SdK on March 29, 2015, 08:33:34 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
Who will check okafor for kentucky? Towns has problems with fouling and I don't think Cauley can go one on one with him. Probably just rotate their 6 bigs on him to wear him down.
ya Duke is going to suffer the same fate as ND did, and as most teams have, against UK and that's struggle with depth. duke does have plumlee that they can put on towns but K rarely plays he and JO together.
i'm interested to see what K does with jefferson and winslow. my guess is that duke will play a close game but just get worn down in the end. hope i am wrong though!
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2015, 10:28:56 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 10:00:51 AM
http://www.thepasadenapost.com/post/112768850743/former-william-wesley-acquaintance-calipariLOL
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 02:48:32 PM
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tom-izzo-michigan-state-coaching-final-four/
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Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
That "worst" list is filled with coaching legends.
It's because tournament results are largely influenced by luck. Which is why I always say conference record and finish is a far better indicator of how well a coach is doing.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 30, 2015, 05:07:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
michigancat, do you think the Big 12 underperforming three years in a row in the tournament and not having a Final 4 team besides KU in the past decade is indicative of the Big 12 being bad, or just the Big 12 having bad tournament luck?
bad luck
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 06:21:57 PM
It's not "just random."
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2015, 06:23:32 PM
michigancat, do you think the Big 12 underperforming three years in a row in the tournament and not having a Final 4 team besides KU in the past decade is indicative of the Big 12 being bad, or just the Big 12 having bad tournament luck?
bad luck
Hey luck expert, why don't you go sacrifice a chicken.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 06:26:29 PM
The NCAA tournament is just like poker. There is definitely some random chance involved, and it's magnified the more singular the instance ex. a hand of poker is to an NCAA game, a tournament is to a tournament, multiple tournaments are to multiple years.
It's not "just random."
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 06:30:37 PM
The NCAA tournament is just like poker. There is definitely some random chance involved, and it's magnified the more singular the instance ex. a hand of poker is to an NCAA game, a tournament is to a tournament, multiple tournaments are to multiple years.
It's not "just random."
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
In a way it is, but when the same guys, teams, conferences are winning titles and making deep runs year after year, or event after event you know who the real players are.
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2015, 06:57:42 PM
michigancat, do you think the Big 12 underperforming three years in a row in the tournament and not having a Final 4 team besides KU in the past decade is indicative of the Big 12 being bad, or just the Big 12 having bad tournament luck?
The Big 12 hasn't really underperformed in the tournament though at least not in comparison with any other conference and in relation to seed. The only two teams that truly had disappointing performances were ISU and Baylor. ISU played to their seed last year and this is the first time that Baylor has fallen on their face in the postseason. Last year of the six teams three played to their seed, two failed to, and one exceeded their seed. Kansas has won 11 straight conference titles I don't know why it's a shock that schools that can't win the conference aren't making the final four in that same time frame. Later I'm going to check how many final four appearances this past decade are by teams who won their regular season title and I'm willing to bet that number is 75% or higher.
The Big 12 does not have a national reputation of choking in the tournament. I don't even hear the conference take much heat for 11 straight.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 07:21:32 PM
The NCAA tournament is just like poker. There is definitely some random chance involved, and it's magnified the more singular the instance ex. a hand of poker is to an NCAA game, a tournament is to a tournament, multiple tournaments are to multiple years.
It's not "just random."
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
In a way it is, but when the same guys, teams, conferences are winning titles and making deep runs year after year, or event after event you know who the real players are.
There were 18 coaches in the 6 Final Fours before this one. 6 different coaches won titles.
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 07:37:30 PM
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
not for a conference. at least not a conference that gets 7 teams in. it's a significant % of the total number of games conference teams will play against top 100 noncon opponents.
the big 12 dropped more than 0.0300 points in the kenpom ratings due to the ncaa tourney games this year. that's a big move for "luck".
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
The NCAA tournament is just like poker. There is definitely some random chance involved, and it's magnified the more singular the instance ex. a hand of poker is to an NCAA game, a tournament is to a tournament, multiple tournaments are to multiple years.
It's not "just random."
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
In a way it is, but when the same guys, teams, conferences are winning titles and making deep runs year after year, or event after event you know who the real players are.
There were 18 coaches in the 6 Final Fours before this one. 6 different coaches won titles.
And most of those guys, or their programs have been there before. For the most part it's the same group of guys, teams, conferences.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 07:54:09 PM
We're talking about 12 out of 300+ games. It rarely moves the needle that much.More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
not for a conference. at least not a conference that gets 7 teams in. it's a significant % of the total number of games conference teams will play against top 100 noncon opponents.
the big 12 dropped more than 0.0300 points in the kenpom ratings due to the ncaa tourney games this year. that's a big move for "luck".
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 08:00:37 PM
The NCAA tournament is just like poker. There is definitely some random chance involved, and it's magnified the more singular the instance ex. a hand of poker is to an NCAA game, a tournament is to a tournament, multiple tournaments are to multiple years.
It's not "just random."
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
In a way it is, but when the same guys, teams, conferences are winning titles and making deep runs year after year, or event after event you know who the real players are.
There were 18 coaches in the 6 Final Fours before this one. 6 different coaches won titles.
And most of those guys, or their programs have been there before. For the most part it's the same group of guys, teams, conferences.
Yeah, these are guys that have consistently finished well in the regular season. Over time, the best regular season coaches dominate the post season. When they don't make it to the final four, it rarely says much about the strength of their programs or their ability to coach.
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 08:22:10 PM
The NCAA tournament is just like poker. There is definitely some random chance involved, and it's magnified the more singular the instance ex. a hand of poker is to an NCAA game, a tournament is to a tournament, multiple tournaments are to multiple years.
It's not "just random."
More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
In a way it is, but when the same guys, teams, conferences are winning titles and making deep runs year after year, or event after event you know who the real players are.
There were 18 coaches in the 6 Final Fours before this one. 6 different coaches won titles.
And most of those guys, or their programs have been there before. For the most part it's the same group of guys, teams, conferences.
Yeah, these are guys that have consistently finished well in the regular season. Over time, the best regular season coaches dominate the post season. When they don't make it to the final four, it rarely says much about the strength of their programs or their ability to coach.
Yeah. Again, just like poker. Most guys that are great cash game players will eventually do well in tournament, because they are great players. That doesn't mean that there are some guys that are better suited for tournament play. The very best are good at both.
I think there are absolutely guys that "get it done" in the tournament. We might not even be disagreeing here.
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 08:48:18 PM
We're talking about 12 out of 300+ games. It rarely moves the needle that much.More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
not for a conference. at least not a conference that gets 7 teams in. it's a significant % of the total number of games conference teams will play against top 100 noncon opponents.
the big 12 dropped more than 0.0300 points in the kenpom ratings due to the ncaa tourney games this year. that's a big move for "luck".
there's much less information (of team quality) contained in the mov of a home game against a 250-350 team than in a game against a comparable opponent. there is no information content (vis-a-vis conference strength) in conference games. the 12 games in the tourney is meaningful sample (i'm guessing 10-20%) of the total number of games a conference plays against top 150 or so teams.
you're right that it will rarely move the needle so much. because it is rare that a conference is so badly misrated entering the tournament.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 08:49:55 PM
It was all two fluke upsets.We're talking about 12 out of 300+ games. It rarely moves the needle that much.More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
not for a conference. at least not a conference that gets 7 teams in. it's a significant % of the total number of games conference teams will play against top 100 noncon opponents.
the big 12 dropped more than 0.0300 points in the kenpom ratings due to the ncaa tourney games this year. that's a big move for "luck".
there's much less information (of team quality) contained in the mov of a home game against a 250-350 team than in a game against a comparable opponent. there is no information content (vis-a-vis conference strength) in conference games. the 12 games in the tourney is meaningful sample (i'm guessing 10-20%) of the total number of games a conference plays against top 150 or so teams.
you're right that it will rarely move the needle so much. because it is rare that a conference is so badly misrated entering the tournament.
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
It was all two fluke upsets.We're talking about 12 out of 300+ games. It rarely moves the needle that much.More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
not for a conference. at least not a conference that gets 7 teams in. it's a significant % of the total number of games conference teams will play against top 100 noncon opponents.
the big 12 dropped more than 0.0300 points in the kenpom ratings due to the ncaa tourney games this year. that's a big move for "luck".
there's much less information (of team quality) contained in the mov of a home game against a 250-350 team than in a game against a comparable opponent. there is no information content (vis-a-vis conference strength) in conference games. the 12 games in the tourney is meaningful sample (i'm guessing 10-20%) of the total number of games a conference plays against top 150 or so teams.
you're right that it will rarely move the needle so much. because it is rare that a conference is so badly misrated entering the tournament.
lol, not even close. first, those upsets were not flukes. the probability of the upset is directly related to the quality of the teams playing. if there is a 20% chance of isu getting upset, and a 1% chance of uk getting upset by the same team, you cannot dismiss the isu upset as a "fluke". even though it was not the expected result, it was 20 times more likely than a uk upset because isu is a much inferior team.
second, those upsets do not come close to accounting for the totality of the kenpom rating movement. i was sort of eyeing the ratings as the tourney progressed. i don't have any data still accessible to show, but iirc, the two first day upsets accounted for less than half of the movement.
Post by: sys on March 30, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 09:39:15 PM
That's a heck of a lot of bad luck.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 09:51:02 PM
It is a HUGE part of itIt was all two fluke upsets.We're talking about 12 out of 300+ games. It rarely moves the needle that much.More accurately, it's generally far too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about how good a coach or conference is.
not for a conference. at least not a conference that gets 7 teams in. it's a significant % of the total number of games conference teams will play against top 100 noncon opponents.
the big 12 dropped more than 0.0300 points in the kenpom ratings due to the ncaa tourney games this year. that's a big move for "luck".
there's much less information (of team quality) contained in the mov of a home game against a 250-350 team than in a game against a comparable opponent. there is no information content (vis-a-vis conference strength) in conference games. the 12 games in the tourney is meaningful sample (i'm guessing 10-20%) of the total number of games a conference plays against top 150 or so teams.
you're right that it will rarely move the needle so much. because it is rare that a conference is so badly misrated entering the tournament.
lol, not even close. first, those upsets were not flukes. the probability of the upset is directly related to the quality of the teams playing. if there is a 20% chance of isu getting upset, and a 1% chance of uk getting upset by the same team, you cannot dismiss the isu upset as a "fluke". even though it was not the expected result, it was 20 times more likely than a uk upset because isu is a much inferior team.
second, those upsets do not come close to accounting for the totality of the kenpom rating movement. i was sort of eyeing the ratings as the tourney progressed. i don't have any data still accessible to show, but iirc, the two first day upsets accounted for less than half of the movement.
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/ncaa_tournament_log5
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
2004 OSU was the last time a non-KU team made the Final 4 from the Big 12. Since then, Big 12 teams have made 63 NCAA appearances. 2 times Big 12 teams made the Final 4, both by KU (08, 12). 29 times those appearances were as top 4 seeds and since the tournament expanded to 64 teams, over 85% of Final 4 participants have been Top 4 seeds. So since OSU's appearance in 2004, only 3.2% of the Big 12 teams in the tournament made the Final 4. Even in the 46% of those appearances that have been as favorable seeds, only 6.9% of those Big 12 teams made a Final 4. And again, both of those were KU. You could also point out that the Big 12 has only made 2 of the 44 appearances in the Final 4 since 2005, good for 4.5%. 7 of those 11 years the Big 12 has been rated one of the Top 3 conferences in the country and 3 times it was ranked first.
That's a heck of a lot of bad luck.
That's actually not much bad luck at all. How many 1 seeds (non-KU) were in that group? not sure how "favorable seed" is defined.
Also, 2004 happened to be the last time a non-KU team won the league outright.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 09:57:20 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:02:37 PM
2004 OSU was the last time a non-KU team made the Final 4 from the Big 12. Since then, Big 12 teams have made 63 NCAA appearances. 2 times Big 12 teams made the Final 4, both by KU (08, 12). 29 times those appearances were as top 4 seeds and since the tournament expanded to 64 teams, over 85% of Final 4 participants have been Top 4 seeds. So since OSU's appearance in 2004, only 3.2% of the Big 12 teams in the tournament made the Final 4. Even in the 46% of those appearances that have been as favorable seeds, only 6.9% of those Big 12 teams made a Final 4. And again, both of those were KU. You could also point out that the Big 12 has only made 2 of the 44 appearances in the Final 4 since 2005, good for 4.5%. 7 of those 11 years the Big 12 has been rated one of the Top 3 conferences in the country and 3 times it was ranked first.
That's a heck of a lot of bad luck.
That's actually not much bad luck at all. How many 1 seeds (non-KU) were in that group? not sure how "favorable seed" is defined.
Also, 2004 happened to be the last time a non-KU team won the league outright.
I defined favorable seed as 4 or above. Final 4s by seed are as follows (since 85): 1 seeds - 45%, 2 seeds - 21%, 3 seeds - 13%, 4 seeds 9%. Champs: 1 seeds - 63%, 2 seeds - 13%, 3 seeds 13%, 4 seeds - 4%.
KU has all the 1 seeds in the last 11 years (5).
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
I can't buy the luck excuse when the conference has had this long of a run of minimal results in terms of tournament success. Variance levels off over time. It's either that the conference hasn't had many great teams, or that it has underachieved in the tournament. In reality it's probably a little bit of both.
The Big 12 has severely lagged behind the other power conferences in tournament success for more than a decade.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:15:20 PM
League Final 4s %
Big Ten 10 22.7%
Big East 8 18.2%
Southeastern 8 18.2%
Atlantic Coast 5 11.4%
Pacific-10 3 6.8%
Big 12 2 4.5%
Colonial 2 4.5%
Conference USA 2 4.5%
Horizon 2 4.5%
American 1 2.3%
Missouri Valley 1 2.3%
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
League Final 4s %
Atlantic Coast 25 20.2%
Big Ten 23 18.5%
Big East 18 14.5%
Southeastern 18 14.5%
Pacific-10 9 7.3%
Big 12 7 5.6%
Big Eight 6 4.8%
Big West 3 2.4%
Conference USA 3 2.4%
Colonial 2 1.6%
Horizon 2 1.6%
Metro 2 1.6%
American 1 0.8%
Atlantic 10 1 0.8%
Great Midwest 1 0.8%
Missouri Valley 1 0.8%
Southwest 1 0.8%
Western Athletic 1 0.8%
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 10:30:47 PM
14 top-two seeds out of the Big 12. 11 Elite 8 appearances. Not really remarkable underachievement imo. And like _Fan posted 5 1-seeds (All KU), two final fours and one title.
KU's 1-seeds:
2007 - E8 (Lost to 2-seed UCLA)
2008 - Nat Title
2010 - Rd of 32 (Lost to 9-seed UNI)
2011 - E8 (Lost to 11-seed VCU)
2012 - S16 (Lost to 4-seed Mich)
Add in KU's title game appearance in 2012 as a two seed, and you could say that the Big 12 (or KU, I guess) has underachieved at least a little bit in terms of Final Fours.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2015, 10:32:57 PM
Thanks fan, the last two posts provided much needed context, I guess the big 12 is indeed historically overrated and underachieving, hurts to see
The ACC, SEC, and Big 10 are definitely ahead. The Big East as well, but many of those teams (UConn, Syracuse, Louisville) are in different leagues now. Pac 10/12 is probably about a tie.
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
Beginning in 2005
The Big 10 has sent 6 teams to a total of 10 Final Fours. No titles, but two teams vying for one this season.
The ACC has sent 4 teams to a total of 8 Final Fours with 3 titles. A possibility of a 4th remains this season.
The SEC has sent 3 teams to a total of 8 Final Fours with 3 titles. A possibility of a 4th remains this season.
The Big 12 has sent 1 team (KU) to a total of 2 Final Fours with 1 title.
The Pac10/12 has sent 1 team (UCLA) to a total of 3 Final Fours. No titles.
The Big East has sent 6 teams to a total of 8 Final Fours with 3 titles. It might me 9. I was counting in my head. Either way pretty impressive.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 30, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2015, 10:58:31 PM
Dag nabbit you guys, the Big 12 just has the worst luck!
Better than the Pac 10/12, kinda!
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2015, 12:07:23 AM
I can't buy the luck excuse when the conference has had this long of a run of minimal results in terms of tournament success. Variance levels off over time. It's either that the conference hasn't had many great teams, or that it has underachieved in the tournament. In reality it's probably a little bit of both.
A decade isn't very much time for variance to level off (in the context of a 64 team single-elimination tournament).
Especially when in the three years immediately preceding your 2005 cutoff, the Big 12 had 5 Final 4 teams in 3 seasons.
Post by: nicname on March 31, 2015, 03:12:54 AM
Make no mistake, the Big 12 was obviously on the right side of variance, but they were playing with stronger hands as well. That you have the sheer number of teams getting high seeds, while lower seeds advanced further as well is plenty of evidence.
2002 Kansas - (1) F4 (lost to 1-seed Maryland)
2002 Oklahoma - (2) F4 (lost to 5-seed Indiana)
2002 Missouri - (12) E8 (lost to 2-seed Oklahoma)
2003 Texas - (1) F4 (lost to 3-seed Syracuse)
2003 Kansas - (2) CG (lost to 3-seed Syracuse)
2003 Oklahoma - (1) E8 (lost to 3-seed Syracuse)
2004 Oklahoma St - (2) F4 (lost to 3-seed GT)
2004 Kansas - (4) E8 (lost to 3-seed GT)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 31, 2015, 10:04:09 AM
Post by: TownieCat on March 31, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2015, 02:16:09 PM
We have better programs than most conferences. We just don't have as many elite coaches.
Much easier to make the inverse argument
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2015, 02:19:35 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
I will say that the big 12 has had fewer championship caliber teams than other conferences. The question is, is that the best way to evaluate the relative strength of a conference?
It's either that or depth. The Big 12 has always been considered deep so that's likely a reason for why its considered a very good conference. The ACC and Big 10 have been traditionally great in the tournament but real top heavy.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 31, 2015, 02:39:13 PM
I believe part of it is lack of depth, especially bigs, that hurt Big 12 teams. I am always super jealous when teams like NC State has multiple guys over 6-8 that are can really play inside. The Big 12 has become a small ball league and that style will always be easier for mid majors to match up with.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 01, 2015, 02:10:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 01, 2015, 02:15:22 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/geno-auriemma-mens-game
his team wins every game by like 60 points
Post by: TownieCat on April 01, 2015, 02:28:22 PM
Post by: TownieCat on April 01, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
Post by: SdK on April 01, 2015, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: SdK on April 01, 2015, 02:43:27 PM
I also wonder if women would be as accurate at shooting if they played with a men's ball. Of course it's easier for a smaller object to go in the same sized hole than a larger object. (Katdaddy no!)I think that if they practiced with a men's ball from high school on they would still be accurate. Why don't they play with a men's ball is my question.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 02, 2015, 11:38:22 AM
Post by: TownieCat on April 02, 2015, 11:55:25 AM
Post by: cas4ksu on April 02, 2015, 11:57:59 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 02, 2015, 12:05:46 PM
Kind of a quick fall from the top for The General.
lol
Post by: EMAWzified on April 02, 2015, 12:32:45 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 02, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
Post by: j rake on April 02, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
here were the lowlights in the final 2 minutes of regulation and overtime:
-with 2 minutes left, knight thanked everybody at ESPN for giving him the opportunity to broadcast games. he listed off a half dozen people. problem is, he had already done this earlier in the game.
-with the game tied, stanford possession, 1:20 left, knight spoke of the importance of stanford getting a basket so that they'd take the lead. a non-scoring possession, he ascertained, would give miami possession, and then they could take the lead, which would be "important."
-with one minute left, knight conceded: "i don't know miami's personnel too well." it should be noted he didn't know stanford's either, referring to every post player as "big kid."
-with miami down 2 pts w/ possession, knight says "miami has to know that the best they can do here is tie the game, i don't think they can take the lead. well, unless someone throws in a 3."
-with miami up by 1, with possession, 8 second difference between game and shot clock, knight suggested the canes shouldn't try to score.
-with 20 seconds left, knight asked how many seconds the shot clock was. then he guessed, "thirty-four?" fraschilla corrected him. "it's 30, bob."
-with 3 seconds left in OT, and with stanford at the line, knight suggested that miami call "an immediate timeout." problem is, neither team had any timeouts to take.
-on a full-court pass with less than 2 seconds left, the ball went off either a stanford or miami player. espn showed numerous replays. knight: "i think it touched both of them, the game's over."
-knight declared the game over. it wasn't over.
-knight again declared the game over. it wasn't over.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 02, 2015, 11:59:06 PM
anybody catch the NIT title game tonight? bob knight called the single-worst game i've ever seen. that's not hyperbole.
here were the lowlights in the final 2 minutes of regulation and overtime:
-with 2 minutes left, knight thanked everybody at ESPN for giving him the opportunity to broadcast games. he listed off a half dozen people. problem is, he had already done this earlier in the game.
-with the game tied, stanford possession, 1:20 left, knight spoke of the importance of stanford getting a basket so that they'd take the lead. a non-scoring possession, he ascertained, would give miami possession, and then they could take the lead, which would be "important."
-with one minute left, knight conceded: "i don't know miami's personnel too well." it should be noted he didn't know stanford's either, referring to every post player as "big kid."
-with miami down 2 pts w/ possession, knight says "miami has to know that the best they can do here is tie the game, i don't think they can take the lead. well, unless someone throws in a 3."
-with miami up by 1, with possession, 8 second difference between game and shot clock, knight suggested the canes shouldn't try to score.
-with 20 seconds left, knight asked how many seconds the shot clock was. then he guessed, "thirty-four?" fraschilla corrected him. "it's 30, bob."
-with 3 seconds left in OT, and with stanford at the line, knight suggested that miami call "an immediate timeout." problem is, neither team had any timeouts to take.
-on a full-court pass with less than 2 seconds left, the ball went off either a stanford or miami player. espn showed numerous replays. knight: "i think it touched both of them, the game's over."
-knight declared the game over. it wasn't over.
-knight again declared the game over. it wasn't over.
He did very well at making ESPN a retirement gig.
Post by: bones129 on April 03, 2015, 12:29:56 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2015, 08:24:56 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 03, 2015, 08:31:49 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2015, 08:33:13 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
bob knight didn't make anything interesting to listen to.
I mean, the last time I watched a non-tourney non-KSU game was like 2013 so maybe I have no idea
Post by: CHONGS on April 03, 2015, 08:51:36 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/159549/does-milk-toast-milk-toast-or-milktoast-mean-the-same-as-milquetoast
oh good grief
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 03, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
It always amused me that people thought John Madden and Bob Knight were idiots, even though they were both like the most successful coaches in their field. Most broadcasts are so milk toast bland that at least Bob Knight made them interesting to listen to, even if he wasn't a great broadcaster
I agree with this. Bob Knight is great, but for the wrong reasons. I don't think he or Madden are idiots though, just unprepared because they didn't GAF.
Somebody needs to take Bill Walton out back and put him out of his misery, however. He's an bad person above and beyond the assholes listed above
Post by: cas4ksu on April 03, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
Kind of a quick fall from the top for The General.
lol
he was on Big Monday's like, what, three seasons ago?
Post by: PIPE on April 03, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2015, 09:53:53 AM
Oh, I thought you were joking and making a subtle reference to the fact that he's been on a slow steady decline since "What's up, Knight?" like 15 years ago.Kind of a quick fall from the top for The General.
lol
he was on Big Monday's like, what, three seasons ago?
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
Post by: sys on April 03, 2015, 10:00:52 AM
And really, guys, his decline started before that.
he never adjusted to the three point line. which proves he was a dumbass long before he became senile.
Post by: pissclams on April 03, 2015, 10:04:14 AM
It always amused me that people thought John Madden and Bob Knight were idiots, even though they were both like the most successful coaches in their field. Most broadcasts are so milk toast bland that at least Bob Knight made them interesting to listen to, even if he wasn't a great broadcaster
I agree with this. Bob Knight is great, but for the wrong reasons. I don't think he or Madden are idiots though, just unprepared because they didn't GAF.
Somebody needs to take Bill Walton out back and put him out of his misery, however. He's an bad person above and beyond the assholes listed above
opposite day is thursday, mongloid. walton is superb.
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
Post by: slobber on April 03, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
bob knight didn't make anything interesting to listen to.how can you read rake's post and not find that interesting? I wish I would have watched the game just to hear that live. He is very absent minded, and always has been as a playbyplay guy. I love it.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Skipper44 on April 03, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
Yeah, ESPN is making a big mistake sticking Walton on late night pac 12 games. Or maybe that's just where he's at his best.you think Walton is traveling to do games in the Midwest or East coast? ESPN should just be glad he is willing to leave CA
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2015, 10:23:38 AM
Bill is a man of the worldYeah, ESPN is making a big mistake sticking Walton on late night pac 12 games. Or maybe that's just where he's at his best.you think Walton is traveling to do games in the Midwest or East coast? ESPN should just be glad he is willing to leave CA
Post by: kso_FAN on April 03, 2015, 10:27:19 AM
And really, guys, his decline started before that.
he never adjusted to the three point line. which proves he was a dumbass long before he became senile.
Yeah, his last really great team was 92-93 (31-4) and Roy beat him in the Elite 8.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2015, 10:54:42 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 03, 2015, 10:56:57 AM
What kind of stick in the mud are you if you don't like Bill Walton?
Well, it is the same guy that says birth control is genocide
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2015, 01:08:17 AM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/geno-auriemma-mens-game
his team wins every game by like 60 points
Geno can STFU. Men's college basketball is in a much better place than the women's game. The same 7 or 8 women's teams go to the F4 every year. Who wants to watch that? :zzz:
When does he find the time to watch men's ball? Maybe if wbb wasn't so easy to dominate, he'd have to less time to watch.
I've been too busy partying my face off in Omaha this week, no seriously, to address thus when it happened.
1. I'm guessing you guys didn't see the full quote, I mean it's linked in the article but USA Today and most of the sports media should share the fault for the ignorance happening with regards to what Geno said.
Quote
I mean women's basketball is behind the times. Men's basketball is even further behind the times. Every other major sport in the world has taken steps to help people be better on the offensive end of the floor. They've moved in the fences in baseball, they lowered the mound. They made the strike zone so you need a straw to put through it. And in the NFL you touch a guy it's a penalty. You hit the quarterback, you're out for life. You know, in the NBA, you touch somebody in the perimeter, you whack guys like they used to do when scores were 90 to 75, they changed the rules.
This is entertainment we're talking about. People have to decide, do I want to play 25 bucks, 30 bucks to go see a college scrum where everybody misses six out of every ten shots they take, or do I want to go to a movie? We're fighting for the entertainment dollar, here, and I have to tell you it's not entertainment from a fan's standpoint.
2. As far as the lack of competitiveness with the women's game; I'm sure I don't have to point this out to you guys but the NCAA didn't have a women's championship until 1892 which means there have been 33 national championships awarded. The 33rd men's title was awarded in 1973. That year UCLA won their 10th in 11 years and that would eventually become 11 titles in 13 years. If UCONN finishes it off, it would be their 10 in 21 seasons. So historically the women's game compares pretty favorably with the men when it comes to competitive balance.
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2015, 01:54:24 AM
watching people mentally decline with age is very sad
This is the hoops board, steve dave.
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
watching people mentally decline with age is very sad
This is the hoops board, steve dave.
:lol:
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2015, 02:19:32 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/geno-auriemma-mens-game
his team wins every game by like 60 pointsGeno can STFU. Men's college basketball is in a much better place than the women's game. The same 7 or 8 women's teams go to the F4 every year. Who wants to watch that? :zzz:When does he find the time to watch men's ball? Maybe if wbb wasn't so easy to dominate, he'd have to less time to watch.
I've been too busy partying my face off in Omaha this week, no seriously, to address thus when it happened.
1. I'm guessing you guys didn't see the full quote, I mean it's linked in the article but USA Today and most of the sports media should share the fault for the ignorance happening with regards to what Geno said.QuoteI mean women's basketball is behind the times. Men's basketball is even further behind the times. Every other major sport in the world has taken steps to help people be better on the offensive end of the floor. They've moved in the fences in baseball, they lowered the mound. They made the strike zone so you need a straw to put through it. And in the NFL you touch a guy it's a penalty. You hit the quarterback, you're out for life. You know, in the NBA, you touch somebody in the perimeter, you whack guys like they used to do when scores were 90 to 75, they changed the rules.
This is entertainment we're talking about. People have to decide, do I want to play 25 bucks, 30 bucks to go see a college scrum where everybody misses six out of every ten shots they take, or do I want to go to a movie? We're fighting for the entertainment dollar, here, and I have to tell you it's not entertainment from a fan's standpoint.
2. As far as the lack of competitiveness with the women's game; I'm sure I don't have to point this out to you guys but the NCAA didn't have a women's championship until 1892 which means there have been 33 national championships awarded. The 33rd men's title was awarded in 1973. That year UCLA won their 10th in 11 years and that would eventually become 11 titles in 13 years. If UCONN finishes it off, it would be their 10 in 21 seasons. So historically the women's game compares pretty favorably with the men when it comes to competitive balance.
I find the nba less watchable now than it was back in the mid 80's through mid/late 90's. And all the perimeter changes and the eventual shot clock change (basically trying to make college bball like nba) won't make the game any better. Officials not blowing their whistle makes the game better, imo, everything else forces offense which sucks, imo.
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 05:34:42 PM
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Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 05:42:05 PM
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
MIR, that's more of an argument against Wooden being good than Geno being great.As evidenced by how many teams used to go undefeated as opposed to now.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 04, 2015, 07:48:17 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/geno-auriemma-mens-game
his team wins every game by like 60 pointsGeno can STFU. Men's college basketball is in a much better place than the women's game. The same 7 or 8 women's teams go to the F4 every year. Who wants to watch that? :zzz:When does he find the time to watch men's ball? Maybe if wbb wasn't so easy to dominate, he'd have to less time to watch.
I've been too busy partying my face off in Omaha this week, no seriously, to address thus when it happened.
1. I'm guessing you guys didn't see the full quote, I mean it's linked in the article but USA Today and most of the sports media should share the fault for the ignorance happening with regards to what Geno said.QuoteI mean women's basketball is behind the times. Men's basketball is even further behind the times. Every other major sport in the world has taken steps to help people be better on the offensive end of the floor. They've moved in the fences in baseball, they lowered the mound. They made the strike zone so you need a straw to put through it. And in the NFL you touch a guy it's a penalty. You hit the quarterback, you're out for life. You know, in the NBA, you touch somebody in the perimeter, you whack guys like they used to do when scores were 90 to 75, they changed the rules.
This is entertainment we're talking about. People have to decide, do I want to play 25 bucks, 30 bucks to go see a college scrum where everybody misses six out of every ten shots they take, or do I want to go to a movie? We're fighting for the entertainment dollar, here, and I have to tell you it's not entertainment from a fan's standpoint.
2. As far as the lack of competitiveness with the women's game; I'm sure I don't have to point this out to you guys but the NCAA didn't have a women's championship until 1892 which means there have been 33 national championships awarded. The 33rd men's title was awarded in 1973. That year UCLA won their 10th in 11 years and that would eventually become 11 titles in 13 years. If UCONN finishes it off, it would be their 10 in 21 seasons. So historically the women's game compares pretty favorably with the men when it comes to competitive balance.
I find the nba less watchable now than it was back in the mid 80's through mid/late 90's. And all the perimeter changes and the eventual shot clock change (basically trying to make college bball like nba) won't make the game any better. Officials not blowing their whistle makes the game better, imo, everything else forces offense which sucks, imo.
yes. forced offense is boring imo. i really don't care if the game is physical and hate fouls being called.
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 08:06:21 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 08:14:46 PM
so how much does kentucky win by?
-3.
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
c'mon cats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 08:40:52 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 08:44:15 PM
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 08:45:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 08:48:50 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
Basketball in a football stadium is a joke.
i'm not a big fan either
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 08:55:20 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:28:58 PM
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:32:30 PM
How's the game going?The officials are KU fans.
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:36:14 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:39:23 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:46:06 PM
Whatever the most painful way for Wisconsin to lose, that's what I'm rooting for.
same way as last year
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 09:47:51 PM
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:49:58 PM
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2015, 09:50:20 PM
wisconsin haters are the worst.
i love the way they play the game. but i like the way kentucky plays it more.
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
wrong account?No. Just SD style post padding.
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
wisconsin haters are the worst.
:jerk:
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:54:52 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 09:55:39 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:58:08 PM
wut, no call?Yeah. Big wtf.
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
where is that cal cheating article? repost d scott tweet plzI'd say it's more about money and the unbeaten storyline than anything to do with Kentucky.
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 09:59:34 PM
wisconsin haters are the worst.
i love the way they play the game. but i like the way kentucky plays it more.
kentucky lovers are great people.
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
where is that cal cheating article? repost d scott tweet plzI'd say it's more about money and the unbeaten storyline than anything to do with Kentucky.
https://twitter.com/DScottFritchen/status/581989653533851648
Post by: SdK on April 04, 2015, 10:02:48 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 10:05:34 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2015, 10:07:10 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 10:09:57 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:12:13 PM
Wisconsin is really good at beating teams I want to wib.n.
:Woot:
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2015, 10:12:47 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 10:13:49 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 10:15:21 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2015, 10:16:23 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:17:31 PM
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2015, 10:19:24 PM
Duke is going to kill badger dreams on Monday.
Yes. Bo blew his load. I hope Higgins is happy missing a shot clock go off a full second before a ball is shot.
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 10:19:56 PM
Also, Bo is amazing at developing outstanding one-on-one players.
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:23:10 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 04, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 10:25:22 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:26:13 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 10:26:29 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 04, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:29:10 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2015, 10:30:21 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
Does Wisconsin have a disproportionately high number of players because Ryan is the most racist coach or the least racist coach?
Also, Bo is amazing at developing outstanding one-on-one players.
he's just an amazing coach in every aspect.
i can understand your thesis for least racist coach, but i don't understand what it might be for most racist coach.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2015, 10:32:52 PM
Does Wisconsin have a disproportionately high number of players because Ryan is the most racist coach or the least racist coach?
Also, Bo is amazing at developing outstanding one-on-one players.
I'd lean toward least racist if I had to take a stance there.
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
The theory is he likes white players more than black players. But I think it's more likely that white players are undervalued on the recruiting market.Does Wisconsin have a disproportionately high number of players because Ryan is the most racist coach or the least racist coach?
Also, Bo is amazing at developing outstanding one-on-one players.
he's just an amazing coach in every aspect.
i can understand your thesis for least racist coach, but i don't understand what it might be for most racist coach.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2015, 10:33:26 PM
what a loser/idiot
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:34:36 PM
Does Wisconsin have a disproportionately high number of players because Ryan is the most racist coach or the least racist coach?
i can understand your thesis for least racist coach, but i don't understand what it might be for most racist coach.
oh, i realized you intended to type "white" before players in your statement. so now i understand your thesis. but also your question is less interesting.
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 10:36:14 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:39:21 PM
I think white players being undervalued is very interesting
it is interesting. but it's not that interesting to offer as a counter thesis that ryan is only recruiting more white players than is typical because he likes their color. not when he's fielding consistent great teams.
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 10:48:47 PM
like, i thought it was a more interesting question when i thought you had a more interesting alternative hypothesis to explain why he has so many outstanding players rather than just an alternative hypothesis for why he had so many white players.It's basically the same question.
Like, does he recruit fewer top-flight AAU programs, and maybe his players have the talent to be on these teams but don't for whatever reason?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2015, 10:56:57 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 10:59:09 PM
It's basically the same question.
it's the same question to you, because you knew what you intended to write. i was giving you the benefit of the doubt (but sort of getting ready to blast you if your explanation didn't make any sense).
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2015, 11:00:42 PM
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2015, 11:04:15 PM
guys, our dumbass fans are going to point to wisconsin everytime we land some try hard loser in recruiting. "But Wisconsin beat Kentucky without a single Mcdonald's all American!"
every tuck wants to be the hickory huskers.
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
It would appear everyone may have known Dekker was headed to UW, because his rivals offer list sucks, but he was a 5 star and rated 13th in the country.So he's winning battles against great programs for some of these guys. Interesting.
Post by: The Big Train on April 04, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
oscar ain't landing a Rivals Top 15 like Dekker.
he wont land a top 50, unless the kids iq is < 80
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2015, 11:15:48 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 11:19:15 PM
It would appear everyone may have known Dekker was headed to UW, because his rivals offer list sucks, but he was a 5 star and rated 13th in the country.
looks like he committed to uw in 2010 and then blew up summer of 2011.
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 11:22:40 PM
Would also appear that the Illinois/Wisc area is producing some pretty good b-ball players that are white.
tons from wisconsin and almost all from the upper midwest.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/wis-m-baskbl-mtt.html
Post by: bones129 on April 04, 2015, 11:27:15 PM
oscar ain't landing a Rivals Top 15 like Dekker.
he wont land a top 50, unless the kids iq is < 80
Sad, but true.
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2015, 11:32:11 PM
Post by: sys on April 04, 2015, 11:43:41 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on April 04, 2015, 11:54:20 PM
It would appear everyone may have known Dekker was headed to UW, because his rivals offer list sucks, but he was a 5 star and rated 13th in the country.this is correct, Dekker said as much on espn radio this week
Post by: Skipper44 on April 04, 2015, 11:59:53 PM
Post by: Trim on April 05, 2015, 12:10:06 AM
:lol:
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2015, 12:24:13 AM
MIR, that's more of an argument against Wooden being good than Geno being great.
No, it's an argument that illustrates that expecting the women's game to have parity when it's still relatively new is kinda hypocritical
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2015, 12:26:34 AM
Basketball in a football stadium is a joke.
i'm not a big fan either
I'm absolutely going to the 2021 final four in Indianapolis
Post by: bones129 on April 05, 2015, 12:32:15 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 12:34:09 AM
http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/05/andrew-harrison-uttered-nsfw-thoughts-on-frank-kaminsky-on-a-hot-mic-f-that-n/
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2015, 12:35:51 AM
http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/05/andrew-harrison-uttered-nsfw-thoughts-on-frank-kaminsky-on-a-hot-mic-f-that-n/
:lol:
He was muttering crap the entire press conference. A real bad person.
Post by: bones129 on April 05, 2015, 12:37:32 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2015, 12:39:18 AM
Don't really care the venue in which a Final Four is held. The key thing is to be there if you can.
The NCAA removed their dome rule for the final four because none of the metro areas on the coasts nor Chicago have one.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2015, 12:42:06 AM
Kentucky being Kentucky. This is how it will always be. Rupp, Hall, now Calipari. It will never change.
Not exactly sure what you're referring to here but other than winning there is nothing that Cal's Wildcats have in common with Rupp's
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 12:42:38 AM
http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/05/andrew-harrison-uttered-nsfw-thoughts-on-frank-kaminsky-on-a-hot-mic-f-that-n/
:lol:
He was muttering crap the entire press conference. A real bad person.
i couldn't tell if he was making incredible shots all game long, or if it just seemed like it because i was giving one guy the credit for the plays of two guys.
Post by: Powercat Posse on April 05, 2015, 02:22:33 AM
Post by: Powercat Posse on April 05, 2015, 02:35:00 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 08:28:26 AM
Quote
By Sunday morning, Harrison was apologizing to Kaminsky on Twitter and saying that he had called “Big Frank” to apologize, adding that he used the words “in jest towards a player I respect and know.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/04/05/kentuckys-andrew-harrison-apologizes-for-expletive-racial-slur-toward-frank-kaminsky/
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 09:22:06 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 09:44:44 AM
I wish more players said what they thought. Not using that language, of course, but simply saying you don't like someone is like a scandal in sports and that's a shame. The warriors/clippers media jabs just make the season so much more fun.QuoteBy Sunday morning, Harrison was apologizing to Kaminsky on Twitter and saying that he had called “Big Frank” to apologize, adding that he used the words “in jest towards a player I respect and know.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/04/05/kentuckys-andrew-harrison-apologizes-for-expletive-racial-slur-toward-frank-kaminsky/
Post by: cfbandyman on April 05, 2015, 10:05:45 AM
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on April 05, 2015, 10:40:02 AM
despite harrison apologizing to kaminsky, i still think his "f that n----" was directed at the reporter asking the question, and there seems to be plenty who think the same - including several media folks.Who asked the question?
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 11:41:06 AM
"f that n----" was directed at the reporter asking the question
It's totally plausible. I've seen no report that entertains the idea. Maybe reporters have a hard time imagining that a player would possibly direct something negative toward them.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 05, 2015, 11:50:32 AM
"f that n----" was directed at the reporter asking the question
It's totally plausible. I've seen no report that entertains the idea. Maybe reporters have a hard time imagining that a player would possibly direct something negative toward them.
sports reporters are the biggest babies in media, so if it was directed at the reporter, i think they would have picked up on it.
Post by: pissclams on April 05, 2015, 12:27:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 12:36:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nawEqAz-8-s
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 01:29:18 PM
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 01:34:52 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 02:00:00 PM
and in any case, harrison clearly wasn't referring to the guy who asked the question. how do people like rake make it through the day with no ability to read human interactions? the "omg" that followed obviously was for the reporter.
I think the second comment may have been a simple continuation/amplification of the first comment.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 02:12:49 PM
I wish more players would call out members of the media, too. Like, Russell Westbrook vs. Barry tramel was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nawEqAz-8-s
sports writers are dumb and lazy. not all of them, but a large percentage of them. in recent years, many sports writers have been exposed. it used to be that you'd read athlete quotes in the paper or on a website, and you wouldn't necessarily have the full context of the quote. you wouldn't see the question that led to the quote. you wouldn't see the tone of the question or the implication of the question or the way it was asked.
now, readers and fans get full context to everything, day after day, interview after interview, and it becomes pretty clear after awhile that the media (largely) has no ability to ask an intelligent question. media dinosaurs used to speak the same language as the players and coaches they interacted with. "Team A had X points, Y shooting percentage, and secured Z rebounds." nowadays, many media dinosaurs are still asking the same old questions, but the players and coaches are more concerned about points per possession, the amount of paint touches they're getting, deflections, etc.
the players and coaches have evolved, while a large percentage of the media hasn't.
look at the questions asked to kentucky's players after last night's game.
* * *
Q. How will you most remember this season and what you were able to accomplish?
Q. Talk about what you think happened when you had the lead, went five minutes without scoring.
Q. Karl, could you talk about Kaminsky and what makes him so difficult to defend.
Q. Karl, down the stretch, that Notre Dame game, guys went to the bigs, got the ball, that's how you won. Were you surprised you didn't get the ball more down the stretch?
Q. Willie, could you talk about what happened rebounding-wise?
Q. Such an incredible collection of talent you have. I was hoping you could sort of talk about what Coach Cal has taught you about being selfless and being willing to play fewer minutes and get lower stats for the sake of trying to win a championship.
Q. You hear Coach Cal talk about his former players as 'his guys.' Tell me about your guy, tell us about Coach Cal.
Q. Willie, it's hard enough to win a national championship as it is. But with the pressure of being undefeated, how much do you think that began to weigh on you guys these last two games?
to recap, the players on the most interesting college hoops team in the last 40 years were asked to sum up their cute, cuddly memories of the past season; they were asked to "talk about" various pointless things; they were asked to speak of the pressure of being unbeaten for the 58th time; they were asked ... virtually nothing interesting.
the only interesting part of the press conference came, oddly, when a player (harrison) muttered something to himself without realizing his mic was on. deadspin caught it (the media in attendance didn't), wrote a story, and posted it before midnight while all the dinosaur writers went back to their laptops to write about the game.
by the time the writers in indy filed their story, deadspin had already collected a half-million page views to their post on harrison's comment (and it will surely have a million page views by the end of today).
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 02:30:06 PM
I don't know what sports reporters are supposed to ask about. To me, there's nothing important about sports. It might as well be Hollywood red carpet fashion reporting. So, I find it incredibly fitting when they're like, "Talk about..." No one truly cares what these players have to say. They just want to hear talking for some stupid reason.Yeah. Maybe they could lead them into more crap-talking moments?
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
I guess reporters are afraid of missing out on scoops by asking tough questions? But like I said when talking about fitz, I don't think scoops have much value.
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 03:08:07 PM
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 03:10:18 PM
and in any case, harrison clearly wasn't referring to the guy who asked the question. how do people like rake make it through the day with no ability to read human interactions? the "omg" that followed obviously was for the reporter.
I think the second comment may have been a simple continuation/amplification of the first comment.
the first part was a sarcastic answer to the question. the second part was an exclamation at how unreasonable he felt it was that his teammate was being asked to answer a question he found either stupid, insensitive or untimely.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 03:12:58 PM
And looking at k-state specifically, media could have asked oscar much more interesting questions.
I guess reporters are afraid of missing out on scoops by asking tough questions? But like I said when talking about fitz, I don't think scoops have much value.
i never see oscar get questioned about stuff he's previously said.
a question like this, as an example, to start things off ...
"coach, you said in november you thought marcus was the type of player you build a program around, that you'll go as far as he takes you, and you also praised his on and off-court leadership abilities. and now ... he's off the team."
weber: "yeah, it's unfortunate, blah blah blah."
"but how could you be so wrong about a player you had previously known for more than a year?"
weber: "well, sometimes..."
"is it time to revisit how you evaluate players? again, this is a guy you pegged as a leader."
weber: "we are disappointed with how things went..."
"how can a player's attitude turn sideways that quickly under your watch?"
weber: "i have to accept responsibility, no question..."
"did the two of you argue last year when things were going well, or is this something new?"
weber: "we got along great, but we were also winning more. when you lose..."
"well, you lost a lot at illinois, and then you got fired. is this a repeat of your illinois tenure?"
weber: "i don't think so. i think..."
"you'll be picked to finish last next year, you realize that, right?"
weber: "i think some of the players on this team might surprise some folks..."
"yeah, maybe so. but in year four, fans don't want to be surprised. they expect you to be good. for instance, fans this year were surprised, but it wasn't a pleasant surprise."
weber: "well, i think this year was kind of unique in that..."
"in that...it was exactly how your final few years at illinois played out? speaking of which, what did you learn from your illinois tenure? it feels like history is starting to repeat itself?"
weber: "i don't see it that way."
"do you expect this team to make the tournament next year?"
weber: "yes, i think we'll make a tournament."
"the ncaa tournament?"
weber: "i don't like to deal with hypotheticals."
"you aren't a good coach."
weber: "my AD thinks otherwise."
"speaking of your AD..."
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 03:25:10 PM
btw, jrake. you used to be reporter. why didn't you ask interesting questions? it appears like you have the ability to formulate them.
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
and in any case, harrison clearly wasn't referring to the guy who asked the question. how do people like rake make it through the day with no ability to read human interactions? the "omg" that followed obviously was for the reporter.
I think the second comment may have been a simple continuation/amplification of the first comment.
the first part was a sarcastic answer to the question. the second part was an exclamation at how unreasonable he felt it was that his teammate was being asked to answer a question he found either stupid, insensitive or untimely.
Indubitably.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 03:43:05 PM
where can i give money to the organization that employs that reporter?
btw, jrake. you used to be reporter. why didn't you ask interesting questions? it appears like you have the ability to formulate them.
i was a student at the time and was useless and terrible and uninformed. there were very few writers who, in retrospect, were worthy of emulation. j mart was one of the few exceptions. he was very good, and i used to watch him closely.
he rarely asked questions at press conferences. he did almost everything in one-on-one settings, which helped him get decent answers (subjects will typically answer more freely when cameras aren't in their face). he consistently got quotes and info that others didn't have, and this is (largely) why he was the guy the fans most wanted to read.
if i got a job at the topeka paper tomorrow, covering k-state sports, i'm certain that i could become a relevant media person that fans would want to read. not because i'm a good writer (i actually think i'm a shitty writer), but because i feel like i have an understanding of what fans want to read.
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 04:02:24 PM
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 04:03:06 PM
j mart... was very good, and i used to watch him closely.
he rarely asked questions at press conferences. he did almost everything in one-on-one settings, which helped him get decent answers (subjects will typically answer more freely when cameras aren't in their face). he consistently got quotes and info that others didn't have, and this is (largely) why he was the guy the fans most wanted to read.
if i got a job at the topeka paper tomorrow, covering k-state sports, i'm certain that i could become a relevant media person that fans would want to read. not because i'm a good writer (i actually think i'm a shitty writer), but because i feel like i have an understanding of what fans want to read.
jmart was a great reporter for this level, no question. but he didn't ask provocative questions, that i can recall at least. you don't think asking the kind of questions you mentioned above would impair your ability to get future info? even just tamed down versions of those questions? or you just wouldn't care?
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 04:03:34 PM
https://twitter.com/mbruesewitz31/status/452559703248494593
:love:
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 04:05:07 PM
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
Still applies, though.
:love:
Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2015, 04:11:11 PM
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 04:18:53 PM
j mart... was very good, and i used to watch him closely.
he rarely asked questions at press conferences. he did almost everything in one-on-one settings, which helped him get decent answers (subjects will typically answer more freely when cameras aren't in their face). he consistently got quotes and info that others didn't have, and this is (largely) why he was the guy the fans most wanted to read.
if i got a job at the topeka paper tomorrow, covering k-state sports, i'm certain that i could become a relevant media person that fans would want to read. not because i'm a good writer (i actually think i'm a shitty writer), but because i feel like i have an understanding of what fans want to read.
jmart was a great reporter for this level, no question. but he didn't ask provocative questions, that i can recall at least. you don't think asking the kind of questions you mentioned above would impair your ability to get future info? even just tamed down versions of those questions? or you just wouldn't care?
j mart was a great reporter for any level. he didn't ask provocative questions at pressers because he (rightly) didn't want reporters at the KC Star, TCJ, GoPowercat, etc., to benefit from his intuitiveness. for example, let's say he exclusively found out that ron prince ran his players at 3 a.m. after a loss to louisville. he woudn't ask prince about this at a presser because he'd be simultaneously informing everybody else in the media. so, more likely, he would get players one-on-one and ask them what happened...while making them fully aware that he knew what happened.
the next day, j mart has an interesting story, while the rest of the media publishes the same player feature about antwon moore or something equally irrelevant.
the reason why coaches and players rarely give reporters anything good is because they don't respect them. day after day, john calipari, for example, has to answer the same dumb questions. "what does it mean to be so great?" ... "what is the pressure like?" ... "how does it feel to be so good?" ... and on and on. the questions are predictable and lazy and useless. john calipari learns nothing from his exchanges with reporters.
now, compare that to the national guys, writers like jeff goodman or gary parrish. these guys get scoops all the time, and seem to have a great relationship with coaches. here's why: because they've earned the respect of the coaches. the coaches realize that these guys constantly work the phones, constantly ask questions, constantly dig for info about every team and every coach and every player. so, when tom crean or buzz williams or even oscar weber talks with goodman, there's actually a decent chance that crean or buzz or oscar will LEARN something FROM goodman.
do you think oscar learns much from arnie? or d scott? or kellis? i highly doubt it. the current coach-media relationship is set up so that the media takes, takes, takes and gives basically nothing to the coaches in return. back in the day, the media could say, "we give you coverage! we are the reason why your sport is so popular!"
but in 2015, the media can't play that card anymore. these teams...from k-state to kentucky...no longer need the print media. k-state could hire its own team of writers, videographers, etc., and fans would be plenty informed. the print media, largely, is irrelevant. instead of trying harder, they keep doing what they've always done, they don't evolve, and i suspect they'll be extinct sooner rather than later.
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 04:28:11 PM
so, i don't entirely agree that it is pure take, no give, in the lazy media and coach relationship. your point about reporters than can provide useful info to coaches is still a good one, though.
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 04:43:39 PM
jmart was a great reporter for this level, no question. but he didn't ask provocative questions, that i can recall at least. you don't think asking the kind of questions you mentioned above would impair your ability to get future info? even just tamed down versions of those questions? or you just wouldn't care?
Do you remember a beat guy since J-Mart left providing interesting info no one else had?
This could be just because they're bad, or maybe because Goodman already has every scoop.
Post by: Trim on April 05, 2015, 04:44:19 PM
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 04:45:19 PM
the media still has the power to turn a fanbase against a coach. look no further than foster v weber for an opportunity for the media to significantly impact how a fanbase interprets events. admittedly, they never exercise that power.
so, i don't entirely agree that it is pure take, no give, in the lazy media and coach relationship. your point about reporters than can provide useful info to coaches is still a good one, though.
the media has the power to turn a fanbase against a coach if the media a) uncovers something new about the coach (such as a scandal, behind-the-scenes development, etc.) or b) provides a negative opinion or observation that fans haven't previously considered.
i can't think of any times in recent k-state history where either of these things have happened. fans were anti-oscar before the losing began (whereas the media began expressing anti-oscar sentiments only after the team performed poorly and players left), and i have read very few k-state related articles that have presented a unique thought or opinion that i previously hadn't considered.
so, for me, my opinions on the k-state hoops program have been formed from a) watching the team, b) having an understanding of advanced stats and knowing what is and isn't poor strategy, and c) reading this forum, which is infinitely more insightful than any coverage i read in the media.
the media is useless to me.
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 04:47:27 PM
Do you remember a beat guy since J-Mart left providing interesting info no one else had?
This could be just because they're bad, or maybe because Goodman already has every scoop.
i don't think anyone has even tried since jmart left. there's plenty of room left in the space between what would be interesting to kstate fans and what isn't interesting to goodman.
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
the media is useless to me.
yes. but i think you agree that it doesn't have to be.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 04:49:59 PM
Do you remember a beat guy since J-Mart left providing interesting info no one else had?
austin broke stories via open records requests and did a nice job as a beat writer.
cassidy had a knack for finding the 'negative,' which fair or not, typically leads to the most interesting stories.
manbeck did some nice things.
Post by: Trim on April 05, 2015, 04:53:41 PM
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
the media is useless to me.
yes. but i think you agree that it doesn't have to be.
i think there's an over dependence on coach and player quotes, which have become more useless with each passing year.
if i woke up tomorrow and was a k-state beat writer, i can promise you i'd use fewer quotes in stories than any of my colleagues. i don't have any interest in relaying manufactured, SID-approved, canned responses. coaches and players, through both media training and trial & error, have figured out what to say and what not to say and rarely say anything of substance.
i would use quotes for retroactive purposes only. in other words, i would transcribe every spoken word from players and coaches, but...i would rarely print them. instead, i'd save them for future use.
"coach weber, in november 2012, you told me you thought you'd be a consistent top 3 team in the conference by year four. now, you're coming off a losing season and you're predicted to finish last this year. what's gone wrong?"
in november 2012, weber's quote is fluff. "we hope to be good!" but after he's failed, that november 2012 quote is suddenly very interesting - because now that we're in the present, i can point him to his previous expectations, and show him how he's fallen short of them. he's now answering to himself, as opposed to me, which is a fairly difficult task.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 05:04:17 PM
The JMart/Rake reporting wouldn't be interesting to the current gpc (and to an extent, the star/cj) readership. That reporting and questioning would be deemed "hating." I don't think it got to this point in the Nigel thread, but the key to a competitor would be to forego pursuing that audience (they'll be absent/dead soon), and give younger readers what they want and trust they'll be paying readers for the rest of their longer lives.
GPC and dinosaur newspaper readers (i.e., older fans) like to have it both ways.
when the team is doing well, readers rip writers for asking tough or controversial or negative questions. but when the team is performing poorly, these same fans criticize the media for being too fluffy, for not asking the tough questions, and for not holding anyone's (i.e., coach or AD) feet to the fire.
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 05:06:59 PM
i think there's an over dependence on coach and player quotes, which have become more useless with each passing year.
yes!
"coach weber, in november 2012, you told me you thought you'd be a consistent top 3 team in the conference by year four. now, you're coming off a losing season and you're predicted to finish last this year. what's gone wrong?"
in november 2012, weber's quote is fluff. "we hope to be good!" but after he's failed, that november 2012 quote is suddenly very interesting - because now that we're in the present, i can point him to his previous expectations, and show him how he's fallen short of them. he's now answering to himself, as opposed to me, which is a fairly difficult task.
you'd ask that in press conferences? because why would he talk to you at any other time?
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
when the team is doing well, readers rip writers for asking tough or controversial or negative questions. but when the team is performing poorly, these same fans criticize the media for being too fluffy, for not asking the tough questions, and for not holding anyone's (i.e., coach or AD) feet to the fire.
honestly, that doesn't seem all that unfair.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 05:10:13 PM
you'd ask that in press conferences? because why would he talk to you at any other time?
there are few, but some (!), opportunities for one-on-one interviews with a coach. if not one-on-one, then you can at least ask questions in a much smaller setting (i.e., midweek after practice), when the number of reporters there might be four or five as opposed to 24 or 25 (such as after a game).
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
when the team is doing well, readers rip writers for asking tough or controversial or negative questions. but when the team is performing poorly, these same fans criticize the media for being too fluffy, for not asking the tough questions, and for not holding anyone's (i.e., coach or AD) feet to the fire.
honestly, that doesn't seem all that unfair.
well, here's an example:
when k-state was 4-1 and leading the big 12 (lol), the typical dinosaur or GPC reader would have been outraged if a local columnist argued that k-state wasn't as good as its record. for instance, if a columnist wrote that k-state's start was "fool's gold" - and largely the result of playing two crappy teams at home and pulling out two other wins it had no business winning - they'd be branded a hater. "you're just trying to stir things up!"
in reality, the columnist's argument could have merit. but it's a no-win situation for the columnist to publish this particular opinion. because months later, when the columnist's previous opinions are validated, the fans then say, "hold oscar's feet to the fire and call out this fraud team!" nobody gives the columnist any credit for being right.
but if the columnist was wrong, the fans say: "OHHH!! I THOUGHT THE 4-1 START WAS FOOL'S GOLD YOU MORON IDIOT!!"
every columnist ever has been freerolled by his/her readers, who always play the result.
in the end, it's -EV for a columnist to take an unpopular stance or present a contrarian opinion. it's much easier, and a whole lot less stressful, to simply mail it in.
the end result is boring content that nobody wants to read.
Post by: Trim on April 05, 2015, 05:40:28 PM
in reality, the columnist's argument could have merit. but it's a no-win situation for the columnist to publish this particular opinion. because months later, when the columnist's previous opinions are validated, the fans then say, "hold oscar's feet to the fire and call out this fraud team!"
Is this happening?
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 05:44:20 PM
in reality, the columnist's argument could have merit. but it's a no-win situation for the columnist to publish this particular opinion. because months later, when the columnist's previous opinions are validated, the fans then say, "hold oscar's feet to the fire and call out this fraud team!"
Is this happening?
is what happening? is the columnist ever right? or is the columnist being artificially uninteresting because he/she knows that nothing good comes from being negative or opinionated?
Post by: Trim on April 05, 2015, 05:57:05 PM
in reality, the columnist's argument could have merit. but it's a no-win situation for the columnist to publish this particular opinion. because months later, when the columnist's previous opinions are validated, the fans then say, "hold oscar's feet to the fire and call out this fraud team!"
Is this happening?
is what happening? is the columnist ever right? or is the columnist being artificially uninteresting because he/she knows that nothing good comes from being negative or opinionated?
Are fans saying "hold oscar's feet to the fire and call out this fraud team!"?
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 06:32:49 PM
Are fans saying "hold oscar's feet to the fire and call out this fraud team!"?
eh, good question. i know it happened in year 3 of the prince era, but it seemed like k-state fans were closer to beat writers at that particular time. j mart was influenced by what people were writing on forums, at least to some extent, and fans regularly connected w/ meek and manbeck after he left.
these days, the sentiment is there (everyone at this forum would love to hear oscar answer hard questions), but you no longer feel like you have a writer who cares enough to ask the questions you want answered.
Post by: sys on April 05, 2015, 07:11:08 PM
the sentiment is there (everyone at this forum would love to hear oscar answer hard questions), but you no longer feel like you have a writer who cares enough to ask the questions you want answered.
it feels like the reverse of your earlier situation. the media figures would push back on the fans for wanting tougher questions and being negative about the program.
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 09:23:08 PM
I think you could ask oscar interesting questions in a way that wouldn't make him feel threatened/put on the spot and have him reduce access. Not sure if you could do that with Bill, though. Of course, I don't think you'd gain anything from a one-on-one with Bill so whatever.
the story that almost no writers write, particularly those who cover college sports teams, is "how difficult is it to win?"
i think this is a very interesting story, regardless of sport, regardless of team.
Post by: Trim on April 05, 2015, 09:45:21 PM
i'm fairly certain that goEMAW could slop together a blog and become the most interesting, most informative k-state site despite having no access to the teams.
Haven't we?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 05, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
i'm fairly certain that goEMAW could slop together a blog and become the most interesting, most informative k-state site despite having no access to the teams.
If gE charged 5 cents per month, everyone would quit reading it.
Post by: Pete on April 05, 2015, 10:04:59 PM
i'm fairly certain that goEMAW could slop together a blog and become the most interesting, most informative k-state site despite having no access to the teams.
If gE charged 5 cents per month, everyone would quit reading it.
Your Pit activity is worth 100x that in ad traffic for us.
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2015, 11:53:09 PM
i'm fairly certain that goEMAW could slop together a blog and become the most interesting, most informative k-state site despite having no access to the teams.
Haven't we?
well, the blog had no hoops posts this past season, so no.
Post by: Trim on April 06, 2015, 12:55:33 AM
i'm fairly certain that goEMAW could slop together a blog and become the most interesting, most informative k-state site despite having no access to the teams.
Haven't we?
well, the blog had no hoops posts this past season, so no.
Oh, the blog blog.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 06, 2015, 07:23:16 AM
i'm fairly certain that goEMAW could slop together a blog and become the most interesting, most informative k-state site despite having no access to the teams.
Haven't we?
well, the blog had no hoops posts this past season, so no.
I was pretty much the blog writer and this year I just made those posts as threads. I will probably try to go back to the blog more next year starting with football. I'm not a great writer though, I just like to do stuff with the numbers.
Post by: CHONGS on April 06, 2015, 09:50:59 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 06, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
despite harrison apologizing to kaminsky, i still think his "f that n----" was directed at the reporter asking the question, and there seems to be plenty who think the same - including several media folks.
That press conference was a joke, the questions were embarrassing
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 06, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
Post by: j rake on April 06, 2015, 12:29:33 PM
would definitely have to scale back on the devil's advoraking though. :frown:
Post by: Trim on April 06, 2015, 12:35:03 PM
i'm super busy during hoops season, but if former scribe levi would help, i'd cover k-state hoops from afar for goEMAW next year.
would definitely have to scale back on the devil's advoraking though. :frown:
:emawkid:
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Post by: j rake on April 06, 2015, 11:14:42 PM
oscar is there for the coaches' meetings. I wonder if he found anyone to sit with.
he had no trouble making friends.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 06, 2015, 11:15:14 PM
Post by: j rake on April 06, 2015, 11:21:06 PM
really good question here.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 07, 2015, 06:22:27 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2015, 07:14:34 AM
Post by: 8manpick on April 07, 2015, 07:21:26 AM
Bo needed to shut his mouth. I suppose the realization that he probably won't ever have this chance again is hard.What did he say?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2015, 07:25:11 AM
Bo needed to shut his mouth. I suppose the realization that he probably won't ever have this chance again is hard.What did he say?
http://mobile.sportingnews.com/article/4640884-bo-ryan-complaining-referees-officials-duke-wisconsin-2015-national-championship-game-kentucky-wildcats?utm_source=mweb&utm_medium=mweb
I guess I still remember Majerus in a similar situation after losing to Kentucky saying he just needed better players rather than finding things to blame or complain about.
Post by: 8manpick on April 07, 2015, 07:36:05 AM
Post by: TownieCat on April 07, 2015, 08:13:09 AM
Bo needed to shut his mouth. I suppose the realization that he probably won't ever have this chance again is hard.Bo needed to make an adjustment on D. Wisconsin never gave a hard hedge on ball screens with T Jones. Check out Gottlieb's IG for video.
https://instagram.com/p/1KWvbGDn3r/ (https://instagram.com/p/1KWvbGDn3r/)
I get that that is how Wisconsin defends everyone all the time, but the last 5 minutes of a championship game is not the time to be proud.
Post by: #LIFE on April 07, 2015, 08:14:26 AM
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Some of you have already mentioned some of these but here's my impressions of tonight's fiasco.
1. Coach K wins another. What a fantastic coach! Yea, right. He was out coached all night and two freshmen step up and take the game over. There's no coaching involved in that. Those two guys went one on one and Coach K just sat on his ass and watched them win the game. I get so frickin' sick of these coaches who get the cream of the crop year in and year out. Because of this, they get good seeds every year. With those kinds of players, and good seeds year in and year out, you're going to slip into championships. Now, before someone gets all hot and bothered, I'm not saying K is not a good coach. I'm simply saying I'd like to see him coach Oklahoma's type of players and see how far he gets.
2. Someone already mentioned how the game is called if you're Duke, North Carolina, etc.etc., Here's the game plan in college ball. If you're a big name, especially, and you find yourself behind with the game about to get away from you, YOU PICK THE BALL UP AND RUN STRAIGHT TO THE BASKET. IF YOU BARREL SOMEONE OVER, IT WILL BE A BLOCKING FOUL. Don't worry about dribbling, just barrel in if it takes 3-4 steps and make sure you initiate contact.
3. College ball is nothing more than this, especially in the tournament. If you're up 5-10 points, all the calls will go against you until you get back in the game or until it gets so ridiculous that they have to call one against you. If you're behind, you'll get all the calls. Duke's behind the whole second half and almost getting stomped and guess what? They go to the line time and time again. Just take the ball and dribble in for the whistle.
4. Frank Kaminsky took Okafor to school. Kaminsky is a big who can handle the ball and makes spins and reversal moves to the bucket. He doesn't go through the defender. Because Kaminsky made spin moves, Okafor was constantly out of position and had to foul. Okafor, on the other hand, lowers his shoulder and just tries to run someone over. His little guards saved him from a real humiliation. Kaminsky is a helluva basketball player.
5. Like someone else already posted. Why in the hell are you going to have a replay if you have solid evidence and you still don't change your mistake?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
Bo needed to shut his mouth. I suppose the realization that he probably won't ever have this chance again is hard.Bo needed to make an adjustment on D. Wisconsin never gave a hard hedge on ball screens with T Jones. Check out Gottlieb's IG for video.
https://instagram.com/p/1KWvbGDn3r/ (https://instagram.com/p/1KWvbGDn3r/)
I get that that is how Wisconsin defends everyone all the time, but the last 5 minutes of a championship game is not the time to be proud.
Yeah, that was pretty dumb.
But even so, Wisconsin's real problem is that they couldn't score. Offense is what brought them to the title game and built a 9 point 2nd half lead, then Duke took that away.
Post by: j rake on April 07, 2015, 09:32:40 AM
Bo needed to shut his mouth. I suppose the realization that he probably won't ever have this chance again is hard.
yeah, that was unfortunate. the rent-a-player line was stupid, too.
we get it bo, you're too virtuous to take advantage of a rule that many other big-time schools across the country happily utilize. that's fine and noble, but please don't remind us every five minutes, and especially not after losing the title game to a team that outplayed you.
that said, 2014-15 wisconsin was my favorite all-time team to watch, and super bummed they didn't win. :frown:
Post by: Powercat Posse on April 07, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2015, 09:59:59 AM
Bo needed to shut his mouth. I suppose the realization that he probably won't ever have this chance again is hard.
yeah, that was unfortunate. the rent-a-player line was stupid, too.
we get it bo, you're too virtuous to take advantage of a rule that many other big-time schools across the country happily utilize. that's fine and noble, but please don't remind us every five minutes, and especially not after losing the title game to a team that outplayed you.
that said, 2014-15 wisconsin was my favorite all-time team to watch, and super bummed they didn't win. :frown:
he's full of crap. one and done players don't want to go to wisconsin. and virtuous? he's the highest paid state employee in wisconsin making millions off of unpaid athletes.
complete d-bag of a person. i'm ecstatic that duke won and bo ryan and his merry band of goofy looking do-gooders lost.
Post by: Brock Landers on April 07, 2015, 10:48:23 AM
Grayson Allen plays basketball like daniel sams plays football
That kid had a pretty good night in spite of the fact he has a terrible name that should be pinned at or near the top of the Terrible Baby Names thread. Also he looks just like Bear Grylls.
Post by: Brock Landers on April 07, 2015, 10:53:27 AM
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Post by: wetwillie on April 07, 2015, 10:55:59 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
Hello there, I play basketball for Duke and I drink my own piss!
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dude is a beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRyLYcMgNFk
Post by: wetwillie on April 07, 2015, 12:45:56 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 07, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
Plays the game the right way. The KSUCats could use a young cager with his chutzpah and moxie.Hello there, I play basketball for Duke and I drink my own piss!
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dude is a beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRyLYcMgNFk
Post by: Mr Bread on April 07, 2015, 02:55:51 PM
Hello there, I play basketball for Duke and I drink my own piss!
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dude is a beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRyLYcMgNFk
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Post by: j rake on April 07, 2015, 02:56:44 PM
especially this part:
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Put another way: If you’re losing respect for Bo Ryan for this, consider what you respected him for to begin with. This inability to let go of a loss is a lot nearer to the heart of his success than mystical leadership qualities. The only reason we know who he is is because he’s a hypercompetitive lunatic.
When a coach works 20-hour days—when he sleeps on his office couch; when he reviews film until his eyeballs turn to sand; when he hits the recruiting trail hours after his season ends and stays on it until hours before the next one begins; when he does this year after year after year even though virtually all of those years end with some form of disappointment or another—fans and the media sing hosannas to his dedication, without considering the reality that only an insane goddamn maniac with a downright pathological fixation on winning could sustain that dedication for more than a couple of days without collapsing. It’s a job you can’t even get, much less hold, unless you’re ambitious and driven beyond all reason and sense of probability; a dude who can settle for the humanist self-fulfillment of giving it his best shot and forming some great friendships and memories along the way, who handles setbacks with equanimity and perspective and does not seethe and roil and refuse and rage at each one of them, does not come within shouting distance of a Division I job interview. He looks at the job requirements and declines to apply for it. To a man, these people are rough ridin' psychos; most of them, given the choice between a busload of doe-eyed orphans and a shiny trophy, would roll the bus into a gorge and use its crumpled wreck as a stepping stone to get the trophy. And they’re praised and rewarded for it.
And then, when one of these goddamn madmen grinds his miserable way within reach—a nine-point lead! seven minutes to play!—of his long-shot goal, the remote summit toward which he orients his entire singleminded existence, and falls short ... fans and sportswriters who know full well (and sometimes even celebrate) the depths of his fanaticism expect him to walk out of the losing locker room 10 minutes later and go, Hey I’m just proud of our guys, it’s been a great journey and we’re all winners because we got to go on it together. Like it’s a team of 6-year-olds who just lost at tee-ball and next he’s gonna take ’em out for pizza and juice. Like he didn’t completely hollow out his life and refill it with nothing but the pursuit of this one game, only to have it snatched away from him by a bunch of fleeting crap he’ll be replaying in his mind for the rest of his bitter life. Like being the kind of guy who could let that stuff go wouldn’t disqualify him from being in position to answer those questions in the first place.
Post by: chum1 on April 07, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on April 07, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 07, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Well it clearly has some health benefits. I mean he's ugly as crap, but my word is he a fantastic athlete. One day he will just be ugly though.
It is very weird. Im just choosing ignore it.
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2015, 05:54:54 PM