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Title: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: bshea85 on October 29, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
Just read it.  Wow, it really hits home.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-worldwide-cheerleader-espn-and-the-college-football-playoff-20141028?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=102814_16&utm_medium=email&ea=c29vbmVyQG5jLnJyLmNvbQ==
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on October 29, 2014, 11:54:18 AM
really great article, bshea85! appreciate you posting that on this site for the first time!
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: MadCat on October 29, 2014, 12:05:02 PM
Kick their ass, Jordan Brochette!  :lynchmob:
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: 'taterblast on October 29, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
man he brings some zeal on twitter

https://twitter.com/jordanburchette/with_replies (https://twitter.com/jordanburchette/with_replies)
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Spracne on October 29, 2014, 12:12:26 PM
Jordan Burchette @jordanburchette  ·  21m 21 minutes ago
Way to live up to your phonetic name, @ESPN_Colin. You could have just asked me out in person, you know.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: 'taterblast on October 29, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
Jordan Burchette @jordanburchette  ·  11h
@bnokj I don't know what you're talking about. Wait, according to hundreds of cousin-plunging $EC fans, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: bshea85 on October 29, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
really great article, bshea85! appreciate you posting that on this site for the first time!

Dammit, did I repost something? :whistle1:
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Spracne on October 29, 2014, 12:21:22 PM
I'm sure 'bias will enjoy the article, but I just wanted to say that I enjoyed it as well.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: sak on October 29, 2014, 02:01:11 PM
it completely ignores the abundance of positive nonconference results.

it completely ignores the computers which favor the SEC even more than the committee.

if the ap voters are biased, and the coaches are biased, and the committee is biased, and the computers are biased... maybe it just happens to be reality?

it isn't that the SEC is leaps and bounds better than every other conference, but the quality of teams and the depth is unmatched. the big 12 is pretty deep this season, but the SEC proved pretty handily that the SEC is better.

but yeah, great article, lol. keep the head in the sand.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 29, 2014, 02:07:37 PM
has it been posted anywhere that the aggieville creepster is throwing his hat in the ESPN/SEC bias article party?
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: kslim on October 29, 2014, 03:02:04 PM
has it been posted anywhere that the aggieville creepster is throwing his hat in the ESPN/SEC bias article party?
On Nov. 1 in Morgantown, W.Va., something so shocking, so disturbing, so un-ESPN-like will take place that it's hard to explain how it will occur. ESPN's College Gameday crew will cover a Big 12 Conference game for the first time this year.

   
That's right, prior to Week 10 of the season, ESPN had not visited a Big 12 campus. It hadn't visited a Big Ten campus, either, but I think we can all agree that the Big Ten isn't exactly having a stellar year in football. It's lost so many battles this year that France is making fun of the Big Ten.

It had gone to Dallas to open the season because defending national champion Florida State was playing there against -- This wasn't really important to the selection of the FSU game for "College Gameday" -- Oklahoma State of the Big 12.

Leading up to the cast heading to the mountains of West Virginia, College Gameday had covered four SEC games, three games featuring Florida State, and the best early season non-conference matchup of the season of Michigan State at Oregon, which was followed by a stop in Fargo, N.D., to give three-time FCS champion North Dakota State a much-deserved tip of the cap.

Since that week three stop in North Dakota, the College Gameday set visited over the next seven weeks the states of Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana and West Virginia.

Nice job, ESPN, which apparently now stands for the Everything Southern Programming Network.

Honestly, ESPN is a business, so it can take its set anywhere it pleases. ESPN now operates the SEC Network and is the primary rights holder for ACC football games, so network executives probably see promoting their financial interests as more important than fairness to other conferences and their fans, which are beginning to abandon ESPN as a trusted source for their college football news.

According to recent numbers, viewership of the mighty ESPN College Gameday show is down 10 percent this year. It's their business to build ... or ruin.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Tobias on October 29, 2014, 03:05:26 PM
I'm sure 'bias will enjoy the article, but I just wanted to say that I enjoyed it as well.

DNR, actually :surprised:
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Demo158 on October 29, 2014, 03:51:37 PM
it completely ignores the abundance of positive nonconference results.

it completely ignores the computers which favor the SEC even more than the committee.

if the ap voters are biased, and the coaches are biased, and the committee is biased, and the computers are biased... maybe it just happens to be reality?

it isn't that the SEC is leaps and bounds better than every other conference, but the quality of teams and the depth is unmatched. the big 12 is pretty deep this season, but the SEC proved pretty handily that the SEC is better.

but yeah, great article, lol. keep the head in the sand.
there you go with that raging insecurity again. You need help guy  :frown:
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2014, 04:13:05 PM
typical butthurt article, but his twitter IS very enjoyable.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: ChiComCat on October 29, 2014, 05:39:33 PM
I don't have a problem with Mississippi/Bama/Auburn/Miss St.  People ranking Georgia really high is the sign of bias as they haven't earned it and lost to a very average team.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 29, 2014, 06:02:23 PM
So he starts his ESPN/SEC bias article by using Gameday locations? They've been to the SEC 4 times in 10 shows this year.  In 2008 the Big12 hosted 5 times in an 8 week span.  Was ESPN biased for the Big12 then with their traveling circus show?  I don't care if you believe in the bias or not, but what a dumb way to start an article.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2014, 07:31:39 PM
So he starts his ESPN/SEC bias article by using Gameday locations? They've been to the SEC 4 times in 10 shows this year.  In 2008 the Big12 hosted 5 times in an 8 week span.  Was ESPN biased for the Big12 then with their traveling circus show?  I don't care if you believe in the bias or not, but what a dumb way to start an article.

Your point is well taken but it is worth noting that in 2008 ESPN didn't control the SEC rights anywhere close to what they do now but they did have exclusive control of tier 1 & 2 Big 12 media rights. FOX only had tier 3 rights to the Big 12 & the SEC controlled their own tier 3 rights.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 29, 2014, 07:39:58 PM
So he starts his ESPN/SEC bias article by using Gameday locations? They've been to the SEC 4 times in 10 shows this year.  In 2008 the Big12 hosted 5 times in an 8 week span.  Was ESPN biased for the Big12 then with their traveling circus show?  I don't care if you believe in the bias or not, but what a dumb way to start an article.

Your point is well taken but it is worth noting that in 2008 ESPN didn't control the SEC rights anywhere close to what they do now but they did have exclusive control of tier 1 & 2 Big 12 media rights. FOX only had tier 3 rights to the Big 12 & the SEC controlled their own tier 3 rights.

Good point.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
So he starts his ESPN/SEC bias article by using Gameday locations? They've been to the SEC 4 times in 10 shows this year.  In 2008 the Big12 hosted 5 times in an 8 week span.  Was ESPN biased for the Big12 then with their traveling circus show?  I don't care if you believe in the bias or not, but what a dumb way to start an article.

Your point is well taken but it is worth noting that in 2008 ESPN didn't control the SEC rights anywhere close to what they do now but they did have exclusive control of tier 1 & 2 Big 12 media rights. FOX only had tier 3 rights to the Big 12 & the SEC controlled their own tier 3 rights.

Good point.

You're right though, no one talked about ESPN's financial interests in pumping up the Big 12.

I do have an issue with the seeming financial conflict of interest with ESPN and the SEC but that has nothing to do with how analysts view these games. The conflict of interest comes into play with how they select their national and regional broadcasts. The SEC problem with their writers and on-air talent has much more to do with confirmation biases.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Katpappy on October 29, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
Just read it.  Wow, it really hits home.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-worldwide-cheerleader-espn-and-the-college-football-playoff-20141028?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=102814_16&utm_medium=email&ea=c29vbmVyQG5jLnJyLmNvbQ==
What's your take on this, SD?
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: bucket on October 29, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
The Pac 12 and Big 10 are dog crap. ACC has a team. Big 12 can't go toe to toe with the SEC. As much as ESPN slobs their knob they have every right to.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: catastrophe on October 30, 2014, 12:31:04 PM
I think you have to admit that the allegations in the article are overblown.  The one solid point it does make, however, is with respect to the case study that is Texas A&M this year. 

A&M started out barely in the top 25 and basically took South Carolina's spot around number 6 after trouncing them to open the season.  In a situation like that at the beginning of the season you have to think it was either because SC was overrated or because A&M was underrated.  Well it seems like the voters didn't even think about the former scenario (which has actually proven to be the case).  Subsequently, every SEC West team that beat A&M basically got credit for slaying a juggernaut and jumped in the polls as a result (note, by the way, that each of the SEC West teams that beat A&M are now in the Top 10).  Heck, despite Kentucky giving Miss. St. a better game than A&M, all you hear is about the strength of the teams that beat A&M, not about how weak A&M is.

Although the SEC West does get the benefit of never having to hear the word "overrated" for really any of its teams, a lot of this "bias" does come down to scheduling.  The Big 12 (and other conferences) should get with the times and put their crap OOC games later in the season.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
The NCAA should handle all OOC scheduling
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: 'taterblast on October 30, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
i just don't really feel like complaining when the SEC has proven they're the best conference. do they get some unfair benefits from that in terms of overrating some of their teams? sure, but that's going to happen when your league is viewed correctly as the best. for eff's sake, they've won 10 out of the last 11 cotton bowls. the big 12 has no room to talk.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: mocat on October 30, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
the SEC is further (farther?) ahead of any other conference than usual, this year
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 30, 2014, 12:54:01 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2014, 01:09:46 PM
the SEC is further (farther?) ahead of any other conference than usual, this year

I don't agree with that at all, as a matter of fact I think the gap is as small as its ever been. They are top heavy just like the Bigs and the Pac.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Bookcat on October 30, 2014, 01:25:32 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'd rather back out of the twitter contract, schedule East Popcorn STate, and stay eligible for the college football playoff. Since we're KState, we'd have to go undefeated but with OU and Texas sucking its quite a bit of an easier road now.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2014, 01:56:43 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

It might not suck, too. :jerk:
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 30, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'm relieved that they might actually be good.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2014, 02:13:36 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'm relieved that they might actually be good.

I'd think that the odds are decent that by the time that game rolls around we would have expanded to an 8 team playoff with auto bids for the 5 conference champions.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 30, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'm relieved that they might actually be good.

I'd think that the odds are decent that by the time that game rolls around we would have expanded to an 8 team playoff with auto bids for the 5 conference champions.

big time ooc games will be so much more fun when this happens.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Gooch on October 30, 2014, 05:06:35 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'm relieved that they might actually be good.

I'd think that the odds are decent that by the time that game rolls around we would have expanded to an 8 team playoff with auto bids for the 5 conference champions.
And Mullen will be long gone. Hell he will probably be in Florida next year.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: GoodForAnother on October 30, 2014, 05:08:20 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'm relieved that they might actually be good.

I'd think that the odds are decent that by the time that game rolls around we would have expanded to an 8 team playoff with auto bids for the 5 conference champions.

big time ooc games will be so much more fun when this happens.

yes to both of these things
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Katpappy on October 30, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
Have we talked about how much scheduling Mississippi State might suck now down the road?

I'm relieved that they might actually be good.

I'd think that the odds are decent that by the time that game rolls around we would have expanded to an 8 team playoff with auto bids for the 5 conference champions.
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Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: bshea85 on November 01, 2014, 09:13:59 AM
How far will Ole' Miss or Auburn fall after today's loss?  Probably not far at all.

Oh, what if the unthinkable happens?  What if Arkansas beats Miss. St. today?  How far will a terrible Arkansas jump and how far will Miss. St. fall?
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: sak on November 05, 2014, 09:42:58 AM
I think you have to admit that the allegations in the article are overblown.  The one solid point it does make, however, is with respect to the case study that is Texas A&M this year. 

A&M started out barely in the top 25 and basically took South Carolina's spot around number 6 after trouncing them to open the season.  In a situation like that at the beginning of the season you have to think it was either because SC was overrated or because A&M was underrated.  Well it seems like the voters didn't even think about the former scenario (which has actually proven to be the case).  Subsequently, every SEC West team that beat A&M basically got credit for slaying a juggernaut and jumped in the polls as a result (note, by the way, that each of the SEC West teams that beat A&M are now in the Top 10).  Heck, despite Kentucky giving Miss. St. a better game than A&M, all you hear is about the strength of the teams that beat A&M, not about how weak A&M is.

Although the SEC West does get the benefit of never having to hear the word "overrated" for really any of its teams, a lot of this "bias" does come down to scheduling.  The Big 12 (and other conferences) should get with the times and put their crap OOC games later in the season.

And neither Texas A&M nor South Carolina are ranked right now. Amazing, isn't it? The more data you get, the better the rankings are! Oklahoma State was in the top 15 at one point this season, mainly on the strength of playing Florida State close. Is that Big 12 bias at work? Or once OKSt lost a few games and we saw NC State, Louisville, Clemson, and Notre Dame also play Florida State down to the wire were people just able to make better judgments about the strength of Oklahoma State?
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 05, 2014, 10:42:59 AM
I think you have to admit that the allegations in the article are overblown.  The one solid point it does make, however, is with respect to the case study that is Texas A&M this year. 

A&M started out barely in the top 25 and basically took South Carolina's spot around number 6 after trouncing them to open the season.  In a situation like that at the beginning of the season you have to think it was either because SC was overrated or because A&M was underrated.  Well it seems like the voters didn't even think about the former scenario (which has actually proven to be the case).  Subsequently, every SEC West team that beat A&M basically got credit for slaying a juggernaut and jumped in the polls as a result (note, by the way, that each of the SEC West teams that beat A&M are now in the Top 10).  Heck, despite Kentucky giving Miss. St. a better game than A&M, all you hear is about the strength of the teams that beat A&M, not about how weak A&M is.

Although the SEC West does get the benefit of never having to hear the word "overrated" for really any of its teams, a lot of this "bias" does come down to scheduling.  The Big 12 (and other conferences) should get with the times and put their crap OOC games later in the season.

And neither Texas A&M nor South Carolina are ranked right now. Amazing, isn't it? The more data you get, the better the rankings are! Oklahoma State was in the top 15 at one point this season, mainly on the strength of playing Florida State close. Is that Big 12 bias at work? Or once OKSt lost a few games and we saw NC State, Louisville, Clemson, and Notre Dame also play Florida State down to the wire were people just able to make better judgments about the strength of Oklahoma State?

IIRC it didn't take OSU getting piss pounded into oblivion 3 weeks in a row before they finally dropped out of the top 25.  And OSU hasn't continued to receive top 25 votes.  But otherwise I think you make a valid comparison.
Title: Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 05, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
I think you have to admit that the allegations in the article are overblown.  The one solid point it does make, however, is with respect to the case study that is Texas A&M this year. 

A&M started out barely in the top 25 and basically took South Carolina's spot around number 6 after trouncing them to open the season.  In a situation like that at the beginning of the season you have to think it was either because SC was overrated or because A&M was underrated.  Well it seems like the voters didn't even think about the former scenario (which has actually proven to be the case).  Subsequently, every SEC West team that beat A&M basically got credit for slaying a juggernaut and jumped in the polls as a result (note, by the way, that each of the SEC West teams that beat A&M are now in the Top 10).  Heck, despite Kentucky giving Miss. St. a better game than A&M, all you hear is about the strength of the teams that beat A&M, not about how weak A&M is.

Although the SEC West does get the benefit of never having to hear the word "overrated" for really any of its teams, a lot of this "bias" does come down to scheduling.  The Big 12 (and other conferences) should get with the times and put their crap OOC games later in the season.

And neither Texas A&M nor South Carolina are ranked right now. Amazing, isn't it? The more data you get, the better the rankings are! Oklahoma State was in the top 15 at one point this season, mainly on the strength of playing Florida State close. Is that Big 12 bias at work? Or once OKSt lost a few games and we saw NC State, Louisville, Clemson, and Notre Dame also play Florida State down to the wire were people just able to make better judgments about the strength of Oklahoma State?

IIRC it didn't take OSU getting piss pounded into oblivion 3 weeks in a row before they finally dropped out of the top 25.  And OSU hasn't continued to receive top 25 votes.  But otherwise I think you make a valid comparison.

OSU also lost a starting QB. So I don't think it is a valid comparison.