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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: EllRobersonisInnocent on October 28, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
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What if we are all just living in a snow globe on a much larger life form's mantle?
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I think the subject says it all
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what if a meteor strikes LHC Bill Snyder family stadium at 7:15 Saturday night? might as well discuss that because its much more likely
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What if I end up being the next President of the United States? :dunno:
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What if this rough ridin' thread didn't exist?
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What if the back of your head is really weird looking and no one has ever told you about it?
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More than likely we'll go 1-2 in our last 3 road games but 0-3 is definitely a good possibility.
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Yeah, it's really a valid question. I think the answer is maybe Waters falls below Michael Bishop in the all-time KSU QB rankings
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I predicted 9-3 at the beginning of the season, but I think we finish 10-2. :th_twocents:
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I predicted 9-3 at the beginning of the season, but I think we finish 10-2. :th_twocents:
But what if we finish 8-4?
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What if I end up being the next President of the United States? :dunno:
I will move to New Zealand. For the zeal mostly.
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What if I end up being the next President of the United States? :dunno:
I will move to New Zealand. For the zeal mostly.
It really is a beautiful country.
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Solid season. Good job against a tough schedule.
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What if the back of your head is really weird looking and no one has ever told you about it?
lol
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:dunno: This means Waters is badly hurt in the OSU game and can't play in the road games at WV, TCU, and Baylor.
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What if we finish 11-1?
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What if we finish 11-1?
start the thread
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32519.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32519.0)
would be sad. It is entirely possible though. I had us as 10-2 heading in to a bowl game and we are 1 game behind my pace.
8/30 Stephen F Austin W
9/6 @ISU W
9/13 BYE
9/18 Auburn (thu) W
9/27 UTEP W
10/4 TTU W
10/18 @OU W
10/25 UT W
11/1 oSu W
11/8 TCU L
11/15 BYE
11/20 @WVU (thu) W
11/29. KU. W
12/6 @BU L
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lots of people picked 8-4/9-3 before the year and lots of people went 10-2 as an optimistic prediction knowing that 9-3 would be acceptable.
8-4/9-3 is just light years away from 10-2 and is pretty far away from 11-1 which is very close to undefeated but not the same at all.
It is amazing how greedy our little animal minds get as a season's builds.
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Prior to Snyder 2.0 we were all hoping for 6-6 seasons with 8-4 once every few years.
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I thought we'd be 8-4 and still do :dunno:
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What if we finish 11-1?
We make the playoffs because we lost to Auburn
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Solid season. Good job against a tough schedule.
Don't be a loser
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Solid season. Good job against a tough schedule.
Don't be a loser
It's so weird to me when Pete is randomly rude to folks...
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Are there two Ell Roberson something something posters? Or just one monstrously shitty one?
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just the single bad one
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just the single bad one
What about his socks.
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Answer the question or gtfo, dumbasses.
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Answer the question or gtfo, dumbasses.
Stop starting shitty threads or I'll ban you
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Answer the question or gtfo, dumbasses.
Stop starting shitty threads or I'll ban you
Go eff yourself.
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Answer the question or gtfo, dumbasses.
Stop starting shitty threads or I'll ban you
Go eff yourself.
With oleasure
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I'll be pretty disappointed, but would feel pretty good about 9-3
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We're going 11-1, dumbasses
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then I'll see your ass in Orlando, ERiI!
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We're going 11-1, dumbasses
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hey bucket, shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttt uuuuuuuuuuuupppppp
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hey bucket, shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttt uuuuuuuuuuuupppppp
:comehere:
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If we finish 8-4, we finish 8-4. That's the easy answer. Don't think that will happen, tho.
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I will be sad
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To have a top 10 team and expect to lose a game going into the weekend is a horrible way to live your life.
hey bucket, shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttt uuuuuuuuuuuupppppp
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To have a top 10 team and expect to lose a game going into the weekend is a horrible way to live your life.
hey bucket, shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttt uuuuuuuuuuuupppppp
Especially when OSU is down to that QB that started his first game since middle school last week.
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I thought we would be 8-5, counting the bowl game. Now I am thinking 9-4.
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:dunno:
Losses to Auburn, OU, Texas, OSU and Baylor. That's 5. So I'll say, 7-5.
:lol:
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:dunno:
Losses to Auburn, OU, Texas, OSU and Baylor. That's 5. So I'll say, 7-5.
:lol:
That is a microcosm of ERiI's posting. In other words - shitty. Worst poster on the board.
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Also, to your OP... If we go 8-4 we will play a pud ACC team like Dook in the RA Bowl. The score of that game will be something like 55-12, Cats.
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Also, to your OP... If we go 8-4 we will play a pud ACC team like Dook in the RA Bowl. The score of that game will be something like 55-12, Cats.
party time at sea world! :Woohoo:
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8-4 would be disappointing.
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ERII is what kim carnes would be if kim had no zeal.
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ERII is what kim carnes would be if kim had no zeal.
and a Yankees hat.
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Interesting
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ERII is what kim carnes would be if kim had no zeal.
and a Yankees hat.
And seasonal depression.
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And a tiny weiner
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Well this can be put in the dumpster. OU is still the hardest place to play in the Big 12 and Baylor still has to go there. They don't have a 9% chance of going 11-11. Also the SEC West numbers really don't make any sense either.
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Well this can be put in the dumpster. OU is still the hardest place to play in the Big 12 and Baylor still has to go there. They don't have a 9% chance of going 11-11. Also the SEC West numbers really don't make any sense either.
but i spent hours working on the shading on this bad boy. it's color coded and everything!
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Nebraska. Yikes
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Nebraska. Yikes
No way they have >50% chance of winning at Wisconsin, let alone win all 3 of the other games on their schedule.
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Well this can be put in the dumpster. OU is still the hardest place to play in the Big 12 and Baylor still has to go there. They don't have a 9% chance of going 11-11. Also the SEC West numbers really don't make any sense either.
but i spent hours working on the shading on this bad boy. it's color coded and everything!
the color coding is fantastic and really ties the graph together.
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If we don't win out I don't care what our record is. There is no difference between 10-2 and 7-5.
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If we don't win out I don't care what our record is. There is no difference between 10-2 and 7-5.
i kind of care about dr. peppers, tho.
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8-4 with these seniors will feel like 6-6.
It will also make next year's struggle to get to 6-6 feel even worse.
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why go for anything less when 13-1 is an option?
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President Truman says, "No way, Jose."
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And a tiny weiner
So you're a weanie checker?!?! :surprised:
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If we don't win out I don't care what our record is. There is no difference between 10-2 and 7-5.
i kind of care about dr. peppers, tho.
I don't. At all
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But now that there is a playoff. ...kstate can lose a game and still be part of the National Title converstation..... So, we have that going for us...which is nice....
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8-4 would be disappointing. If, and it's a big if, we come out of Fort Worth with a win andwithout injuries we should finish better than 8-4.
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What if you, the op poster, fulfill fate and bore?
We are not finishing 8-4. This is stupid to even consider. It's like you didn't watch the OU or Auburn game. How about posters at goEMAW stop trying to be dooms day proclaimers and then celebrate when we succeed? eff on or eff off. Don't dry hump and ejaculate.
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What if you, the op poster, fulfill fate and bore?
We are not finishing 8-4. This is stupid to even consider. It's like you didn't watch the OU or Auburn game. How about posters at goEMAW stop trying to be dooms day proclaimers and then celebrate when we succeed? eff on or eff off. Don't dry hump and ejaculate.
Don't let Kimmy & pveg get you down, SDK.
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What if you, the op poster, fulfill fate and bore?
We are not finishing 8-4. This is stupid to even consider. It's like you didn't watch the OU or Auburn game. How about posters at goEMAW stop trying to be dooms day proclaimers and then celebrate when we succeed? eff on or eff off. Don't dry hump and ejaculate.
Don't let Kimmy & pveg get you down, SDK.
They don't.
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What if you, the op poster, fulfill fate and bore?
We are not finishing 8-4. This is stupid to even consider. It's like you didn't watch the OU or Auburn game. How about posters at goEMAW stop trying to be dooms day proclaimers and then celebrate when we succeed? eff on or eff off. Don't dry hump and ejaculate.
Don't let Kimmy & pveg get you down, SDK.
They don't.
Good, I enjoy the fun of a winning season. Of couse most of the na sayers either deny the fact or hide in their holes until next season.
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Part of me hopes we go 8-4 so I can bump this thread in December.
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If we don't win out I don't care what our record is. There is no difference between 10-2 and 7-5.
Oh man I was in such a Royals funk. :lol:
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Part of me hopes we go 8-4 so I can bump this thread in December.
dont you mean 7-5?
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It's very evident that some of you are very unhappy people.
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8-4 with these seniors will feel like 6-6.
It will also make next year's struggle to get to 6-6 feel even worse.
We won't struggle to get six wins next year.
8-9 would be a struggle, but not six. The defense and OL will be too good.
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It's very evident that some of you are very unhappy people.
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And that's coming from Emo EMAW! :lol:
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8-4 with these seniors will feel like 6-6.
It will also make next year's struggle to get to 6-6 feel even worse.
We won't struggle to get six wins next year.
8-9 would be a struggle, but not six. The defense and OL will be too good.
I hope you are right but Bill's teams win because of QB play not in spite of it. The rep of our ol is a great example.
If Kenny Hill enrolled at Blinn today could he play for us in 2015?
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i'd put the odds of us going 8-4 somewhere around 100%
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It's very evident that some of you are very unhappy people.
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My happiness would not be affected in any way by an 8-4 record.
Of course, I'm not a loser.
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so this is happening
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We still get ku and wvu. What does that get us?
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We still get ku and wvu. What does that get us?
Wins against both.
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We still get ku and wvu. What does that get us?
Alamo
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so this is happening
I thought we'd be 8-4 and still do :dunno:
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ya I thought 7-5 :dunno:
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KU is the only game left I am confident in that we will win.
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so this is happening
I thought we'd be 8-4 and still do :dunno:
:jerk:
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I think 9-3 is most likely. But you never know in college football, we could do 10-2! :ksu:
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Go beat Baylor.
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Let's go get our share of the Dr. Pepper and hit our ceiling again!
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jack walters doesn't deserve a Dr Pepper
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jack walters doesn't deserve a Dr Pepper
I used to know Jack Walters. :cry: RIP Jack.
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The only way to get to 10-2 and make this a memorable season is to go back to the sketti brain offense and run Waters until he can't then move down the line to Hubs, Ertz, etc. We will have a hell of time wining in Morgantown with only a few QB runs and have no chance in Waco.
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The only way to get to 10-2 and make this a memorable season is to go back to the sketti brain offense and run Waters until he can't then move down the line to Hubs, Ertz, etc. We will have a hell of time wining in Morgantown with only a few QB runs and have no chance in Waco.
I think we have a shot vs WVU, they aren't a dominant team like Baylor or TCU IMHO.
But the point about the QB run game is correct. LHC Bill Snyder's tenure has shown that the times K-State has been able to be balanced on offense were only when we had the threat and used the QB to run the ball. When the QB couldn't run and K-State faced really good defenses, the results were similar to what we saw tonight. I think Waters perhaps is good enough to be effective in the QB run game, but he isn't going to be used a lot on designed QB runs because of his shoulder. Our offensive line and backs simply aren't good enough to pick up the rest of the running game and give us any semblance of balance.
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If KU is not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) they have a chance of hanging with us and maybe beating us. Name a mobile QB we have contained? They are playing like they care under a coach that is not smelly, fat and has a million rules. Rotate Cummings and Cozart, shotgun all day long, mix in a few bombs to Harwell and they are in the game all day long.
We are slow on defense, have a shitty running game and an injured QB, couple that with a coaching staff that will not adapt. Why am I wrong that we possibly will go 7-5??? What do we do well that KU can not stop? Double team Lockett and our coaches might get that solved by the time we are running the two minute drill down 14. I am drinking, you should be as well
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If KU is not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) they have a chance of hanging with us and maybe beating us. Name a mobile QB we have contained? They are playing like they care under a coach that is not smelly, fat and has a million rules. Rotate Cummings and Cozart, shotgun all day long, mix in a few bombs to Harwell and they are in the game all day long.
We are slow on defense, have a shitty running game and an injured QB, couple that with a coaching staff that will not adapt. Why am I wrong that we possibly will go 7-5??? What do we do well that KU can not stop? Double team Lockett and our coaches might get that solved by the time we are running the two minute drill down 14. I am drinking, you should be as well
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We will beat KU handily. That is what we do.
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Jfc. Losses bring out the worst bbs'rs. Get that KU trash out of here. Woof!
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Great avatar, WC08. :thumbs:
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Great avatar, WC08. :thumbs:
Seals, man!
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If KU is not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) they have a chance of hanging with us and maybe beating us. Name a mobile QB we have contained? They are playing like they care under a coach that is not smelly, fat and has a million rules. Rotate Cummings and Cozart, shotgun all day long, mix in a few bombs to Harwell and they are in the game all day long.
We are slow on defense, have a shitty running game and an injured QB, couple that with a coaching staff that will not adapt. Why am I wrong that we possibly will go 7-5??? What do we do well that KU can not stop? Double team Lockett and our coaches might get that solved by the time we are running the two minute drill down 14. I am drinking, you should be as well
Good God
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8-4 with these seniors will feel like 6-6.
It will also make next year's struggle to get to 6-6 feel even worse.
We won't struggle to get six wins next year.
8-9 would be a struggle, but not six. The defense and OL will be too good.
I don't understand these comments. We haven't been able to run the ball for like two seasons now. Their pass protection has been better, however we melt the f down against any pressure. But the OL being good will not make up for who we have at QB next year. And even before this game, that defense is not that good. Our front four is not overwhelming at all, our LB's are pedestrian, and our secondary is marginal. I don't think Dvonta will make it much better.
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The only way to get to 10-2 and make this a memorable season is to go back to the sketti brain offense and run Waters until he can't then move down the line to Hubs, Ertz, etc. We will have a hell of time wining in Morgantown with only a few QB runs and have no chance in Waco.
I think we have a shot vs WVU, they aren't a dominant team like Baylor or TCU IMHO.
But the point about the QB run game is correct. LHC Bill Snyder's tenure has shown that the times K-State has been able to be balanced on offense were only when we had the threat and used the QB to run the ball. When the QB couldn't run and K-State faced really good defenses, the results were similar to what we saw tonight. I think Waters perhaps is good enough to be effective in the QB run game, but he isn't going to be used a lot on designed QB runs because of his shoulder. Our offensive line and backs simply aren't good enough to pick up the rest of the running game and give us any semblance of balance.
This. It's painful to watch this offense when it can't be run the way it should. Dana and Del were really at a loss last night. It looked a lot like '12 Baylor. No run game, passing game couldn't hold up, defense couldn't either. WVU is winnable (we might even get to see a jail break screen in that game!!). The OL has gotten much better in pass protection, imo, though I don't know if the sack numbers would bear that out.
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Lining Jones up in the WC on 3rd and 1 should be fire able if it happens again
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Man, last night sucked.
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Lining Jones up in the WC on 3rd and 1 should be fire able if it happens again
That was laughable. Such a predictable play call.
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Lining Jones up in the WC on 3rd and 1 should be fire able if it happens again
That was laughable. Such a predictable play call.
It blew my mind. Probably blew Patterson's.
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8-4 with these seniors will feel like 6-6.
It will also make next year's struggle to get to 6-6 feel even worse.
We won't struggle to get six wins next year.
8-9 would be a struggle, but not six. The defense and OL will be too good.
I don't understand these comments. We haven't been able to run the ball for like two seasons now. Their pass protection has been better, however we melt the f down against any pressure. But the OL being good will not make up for who we have at QB next year. And even before this game, that defense is not that good. Our front four is not overwhelming at all, our LB's are pedestrian, and our secondary is marginal. I don't think Dvonta will make it much better.
We can run the ball when we have a QB that can run in the offense they've designed.
I think Derricott and Riddle, with a healthy Green, will make up for a lot. Getting Lee more mass will help. Getting Prewitt more experience will provide better depth.
I'm also banking on Clinkscales becoming a major part of the rotation after he's in the system for a year.
As far as the OL goes, a lot of my optimism hinges on AJ Allen pushing Whithair back inside, and Reisner stepping into Finney's spot. I'd like to see Brager instead of Kleinsorge, but whatever.
Gronk needs to block better. There were a few runs last night, and several this year, where he just doesn't put a hat on anyone.
The glaring concern will be passing, but I think we can cobble something together. If we do play Huebner, he will be able to run the ball. I'd rather have Sams, but we are where we are.
I think having five home games means a lot. I think we can get six or seven wins and go to a low level bowl.
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I predicted 9-3 at the beginning of the season, but I think we finish 10-2. :th_twocents:
This is realistic. I think the elements and being out on the east coast affects us in Morgantown more than the talent of WVU. But make no mistake no one including KU should be overlooked. Coach Snyder is one of the best at working with what he has. The Wildcats just need to find a way to counter for lack of speed and athleticism in comparison to TCU and Baylor.
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I predicted 9-3 at the beginning of the season, but I think we finish 10-2. :th_twocents:
This is realistic. I think the elements and being out on the east coast affects us in Morgantown more than the talent of WVU. But make no mistake no one including KU should be overlooked. Coach Snyder is one of the best at working with what he has. The Wildcats just need to find a way to counter for lack of speed and athleticism in comparison to TCU and Baylor.
I hate the post you just made. It sucked. I feel like you should know that.
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What a rough riding idiot... :flush:
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Kick his ass, Townie!
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We could still finish 8-4. :dunno:
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Would be pretty disappointing at this point, imo.
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Better season than I expected probably!
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Better season than I expected probably!
10-2 would be an excellent record! Also, I won't complain about 9-3 either.
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
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97 only one loss to eventual nat champ, won Fiesta - prolly bumped by a share of the conference title. Same for 02
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
i mean I couldn't give you a top 5 other than the top 3 but it has got to be mentioned if this team runs the table, this schedule was nuts and a split pepper would absolutely knock out 03, the loss to Marshall solidifies it
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
02 was much much better than 12
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
i mean I couldn't give you a top 5 other than the top 3 but it has got to be mentioned if this team runs the table, this schedule was nuts and a split pepper would absolutely knock out 03, the loss to Marshall solidifies it
wut
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
02 was much much better than 12
So 14 is greater than 12 if win @ Baylor?
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
i mean I couldn't give you a top 5 other than the top 3 but it has got to be mentioned if this team runs the table, this schedule was nuts and a split pepper would absolutely knock out 03, the loss to Marshall solidifies it
wut
not sure on the confusion other than a misplaced comma
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
i mean I couldn't give you a top 5 other than the top 3 but it has got to be mentioned if this team runs the table, this schedule was nuts and a split pepper would absolutely knock out 03, the loss to Marshall solidifies it
wut
qft, an outirght dp is better than a split one. Ell was out.
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
02 was much much better than 12
So 14 is greater than 12 if win @ Baylor?
I'd have to agree, especially if Texas beats TCU.
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
Who would this team edge out of the top 5?
Obvs 98, 03, 12 aren't going to be pushed out.
02 was much much better than 12
So 14 is greater than 12 if win @ Baylor?
I'd have to agree, especially if Texas beats TCU.
and the Christians gathered around and sang "so be it" and it was done... for the season that is. :fatty:
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
With at best 2 top 25 wins :ROFL: if you made this post the week of the auburn game it would have been slightly less ridiculous, now it's ultra dumb. I'm serious when I say this but our Copper Bowl team is better than this team, certainly more talented. The Big 8 was very very good in the 90s.
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A big 12 title and a win in a committee bowl selection game would be top 5. I don't care who we played to do it either.
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A big 12 title and a win in a committee bowl selection game would be top 5. I don't care who we played to do it either.
It would certainly be the top 5 accomplished, hell top 3 but circumstances absolutely matter and this isn't a top 5 K-State program & I don't care if they get into the CFP. The '98 team got no trophies that matter and if you think this team is better than that team then you are a fool. The only position where you could even have an argument to what the better unit is at wide receiver. I mean I don't know how this team could have a worse running back unit than '98 but they managed to do so.
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Well that's fair. '98 was the tits!
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I think this team's record is a testament to how much better this staff is than they were at the end of Snyder 1.0. Waters and Lockett are the only differences between this team and the 04 & 05 teams.
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I think this team's record is a testament to how much better this staff is than they were at the end of Snyder 1.0. Waters and Lockett are the only differences between this team and the 04 & 05 teams.
So, what you're saying is next year we are really going to blow.
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If kstate goes 10-2 with this schedule it may be a top 5 all time ksu team
With at best 2 top 25 wins :ROFL: if you made this post the week of the auburn game it would have been slightly less ridiculous, now it's ultra dumb. I'm serious when I say this but our Copper Bowl team is better than this team, certainly more talented. The Big 8 was very very good in the 90s.
im probably giving our conference way to much credit but it has been very difficult, there are at least 10 teams more talented than this go fighting cats one but my post wasnt predicated on talent. collectively from the coaches down this team has overachieved big time especially with all of the injuries this team has had and a lack of a true running game, ill be honest my post was in haste and not well thought out but collectively its hard to ignore what this team has done. obviously two weeks could destroy any argument that i have
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Unfortunately I don't have good TO numbers to compare 93-99, but this is an updated version of the 2000-2014 per play stats that I posted a couple of weeks ago. I added SOS (from Sagarin). (The OFF-DEF column is differential between the 2). This team has done some nice things and to this point it has been a really solid season. Maybe not top 5, but its hard for me to complain much about what we've accomplished this year.
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A big 12 title and a win in a committee bowl selection game would be top 5. I don't care who we played to do it either.
It would certainly be the top 5 accomplished, hell top 3 but circumstances absolutely matter and this isn't a top 5 K-State program & I don't care if they get into the CFP. The '98 team got no trophies that matter and if you think this team is better than that team then you are a fool. The only position where you could even have an argument to what the better unit is at wide receiver. I mean I don't know how this team could have a worse running back unit than '98 but they managed to do so.
I dunno, MIR. While I certainly wouldn't make the argument that this team could even carry '98s jock in terms of talent ('cept WR), I think they would make for a formidable matchup. Seems like a big part of this years success has been attributed to lack of mistakes, forcing opponents to make mistakes, and then capitalizing on those mistakes. Bish was my absolute favorite QBcat of all time but his emotions would get him out of control and I feel like some of our worse losses can be directly attributed to 7 getting frustrated and doing something stupid or just trying to do too much on his own. I truly believe this years defense would eat him alive.
That said, I also think its illogical to try to compare teams from different seasons, let alone different eras, since the game is always changing and the elements critical to success change so drastically every 5 years or so. Obviously things like TOP, penalties, and turnover margin weren't such critical factors in '98.
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Bishop would absolutely dominate this defense and it's not even debatable
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A big 12 title and a win in a committee bowl selection game would be top 5. I don't care who we played to do it either.
It would certainly be the top 5 accomplished, hell top 3 but circumstances absolutely matter and this isn't a top 5 K-State program & I don't care if they get into the CFP. The '98 team got no trophies that matter and if you think this team is better than that team then you are a fool. The only position where you could even have an argument to what the better unit is at wide receiver. I mean I don't know how this team could have a worse running back unit than '98 but they managed to do so.
I dunno, MIR. While I certainly wouldn't make the argument that this team could even carry '98s jock in terms of talent ('cept WR), I think they would make for a formidable matchup. Seems like a big part of this years success has been attributed to lack of mistakes, forcing opponents to make mistakes, and then capitalizing on those mistakes. Bish was my absolute favorite QBcat of all time but his emotions would get him out of control and I feel like some of our worse losses can be directly attributed to 7 getting frustrated and doing something stupid or just trying to do too much on his own. I truly believe this years defense would eat him alive.
That said, I also think its illogical to try to compare teams from different seasons, let alone different eras, since the game is always changing and the elements critical to success change so drastically every 5 years or so. Obviously things like TOP, penalties, and turnover margin weren't such critical factors in '98.
What do you mean "some of our worst losses?" The only one we had Bishop was amazing that game, he didn't turn the ball over out of frustration, the one notable (maybe his only one I don't remember any other) turnover was a fumble he had after he had run for a first down when we were up 2 scores in the 4th quarter. If Trevonne Boykin shredded this defense I couldn't imagine what Bishop would do to it.
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This is why we need to expand the field to Top 8, much like the CFP. Then there wouldn't be any controversy.
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A big 12 title and a win in a committee bowl selection game would be top 5. I don't care who we played to do it either.
It would certainly be the top 5 accomplished, hell top 3 but circumstances absolutely matter and this isn't a top 5 K-State program & I don't care if they get into the CFP. The '98 team got no trophies that matter and if you think this team is better than that team then you are a fool. The only position where you could even have an argument to what the better unit is at wide receiver. I mean I don't know how this team could have a worse running back unit than '98 but they managed to do so.
I dunno, MIR. While I certainly wouldn't make the argument that this team could even carry '98s jock in terms of talent ('cept WR), I think they would make for a formidable matchup. Seems like a big part of this years success has been attributed to lack of mistakes, forcing opponents to make mistakes, and then capitalizing on those mistakes. Bish was my absolute favorite QBcat of all time but his emotions would get him out of control and I feel like some of our worse losses can be directly attributed to 7 getting frustrated and doing something stupid or just trying to do too much on his own. I truly believe this years defense would eat him alive.
That said, I also think its illogical to try to compare teams from different seasons, let alone different eras, since the game is always changing and the elements critical to success change so drastically every 5 years or so. Obviously things like TOP, penalties, and turnover margin weren't such critical factors in '98.
What do you mean "some of our worst losses?" The only one we had Bishop was amazing that game, he didn't turn the ball over out of frustration, the one notable (maybe his only one I don't remember any other) turnover was a fumble he had after he had run for a first down when we were up 2 scores in the 4th quarter. If Trevonne Boykin shredded this defense I couldn't imagine what Bishop would do to it.
The defense bailed him out plenty of times which is why many of his bonehead mistakes were not ultimately of major consequence. Like I said, I think a lot of it is the product of the time. When I was at the '98 NU game I thought it was the greatest triumph in k state football history. I re-watched the game the other day and it was incredibly frustrating to see all the completely unnecessary mistakes and turnovers. And with the way Mike would run with the ball like it was a baton in a relay race, I'm surprised he only coughed it up as many times as he did.
The only point I was trying to make is that I think it would be a good match up. The weaknesses of the '98 team were the kinds of things I think this years team tends to capitalize on. Admittedly I have not gone back to rewatch the entire season, but it seems to me that the NU, TAMU and PUR games were not outliers when it came to mistakes and turnovers.
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Solid season. Good job against a tough schedule.
Don't be a loser
It's so weird to me when Pete is randomly rude to folks...
Wasn't me, bro.
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Per the greatest K-State team discussion; IMHO the 98 team would beat any other K-State team in a hypothetical series of 5 games and thus is the best K-State team OAT. 03 and 02 were really solid as was 12, but the explosiveness of the 98 team (on both sides of the ball and ST) is the best of K-State and would match up well in nearly any era of football. Bishop was just such a special talent that only comes along maybe once in a lifetime, and that's not to discredit Ell or Klein.
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The depth on the 98 team was incredible - they redshirted Quincy Morgan for christ sakes. All American Jeff Kelly gets hurt and misses a conference game? just plug in an unknown rs fr from South Dakota and he will put up 10 tackles in the game as he develops into an NFL stud
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'98 is the tops, but '97 gets overlooked a lot because of it. We didn't defeat too many ranked teams that season, but knocking McNabb and Co. dicks off was a real treat.
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A big 12 title and a win in a committee bowl selection game would be top 5. I don't care who we played to do it either.
It would certainly be the top 5 accomplished, hell top 3 but circumstances absolutely matter and this isn't a top 5 K-State program & I don't care if they get into the CFP. The '98 team got no trophies that matter and if you think this team is better than that team then you are a fool. The only position where you could even have an argument to what the better unit is at wide receiver. I mean I don't know how this team could have a worse running back unit than '98 but they managed to do so.
I dunno, MIR. While I certainly wouldn't make the argument that this team could even carry '98s jock in terms of talent ('cept WR), I think they would make for a formidable matchup. Seems like a big part of this years success has been attributed to lack of mistakes, forcing opponents to make mistakes, and then capitalizing on those mistakes. Bish was my absolute favorite QBcat of all time but his emotions would get him out of control and I feel like some of our worse losses can be directly attributed to 7 getting frustrated and doing something stupid or just trying to do too much on his own. I truly believe this years defense would eat him alive.
That said, I also think its illogical to try to compare teams from different seasons, let alone different eras, since the game is always changing and the elements critical to success change so drastically every 5 years or so. Obviously things like TOP, penalties, and turnover margin weren't such critical factors in '98.
What do you mean "some of our worst losses?" The only one we had Bishop was amazing that game, he didn't turn the ball over out of frustration, the one notable (maybe his only one I don't remember any other) turnover was a fumble he had after he had run for a first down when we were up 2 scores in the 4th quarter. If Trevonne Boykin shredded this defense I couldn't imagine what Bishop would do to it.
The defense bailed him out plenty of times which is why many of his bonehead mistakes were not ultimately of major consequence. Like I said, I think a lot of it is the product of the time. When I was at the '98 NU game I thought it was the greatest triumph in k state football history. I re-watched the game the other day and it was incredibly frustrating to see all the completely unnecessary mistakes and turnovers. And with the way Mike would run with the ball like it was a baton in a relay race, I'm surprised he only coughed it up as many times as he did.
The only point I was trying to make is that I think it would be a good match up. The weaknesses of the '98 team were the kinds of things I think this years team tends to capitalize on. Admittedly I have not gone back to rewatch the entire season, but it seems to me that the NU, TAMU and PUR games were not outliers when it came to mistakes and turnovers.
WAT??? When did the defense bailout Michael Bishop? How could your memory be that poor? Were you 9 years old in 1998?
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I can't find how many fumbles Bishop had in 1998, but he only had 4 INTs
Also stop with the different era's stuff, there are still players in the NFL that played college football in 1998.
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Who is still in the NFL that was in college in 1998?... (no kickers please)
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Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson of the top of my head... might be more.
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Who is still in the NFL that was in college in 1998?... (no kickers please)
Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson of the top of my head... might be more.
Those are the guys I had in mind when I made the statement, technically they were drafted in 1997, the point remains.
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Who is still in the NFL that was in college in 1998?... (no kickers please)
Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson of the top of my head... might be more.
Those are the guys I had in mind when I made the statement, technically they were drafted in 1997, the point remains.
Tom Brady, Champ Bailey, Terrence Newman redshirted in '98
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Oh I read that wrong, sorry. I understood it as "Which players were in the NFL in 1998 that are STILL playing?". Sorry dumb on my part.
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Oh I read that wrong, sorry. I understood it as "Which players were in the NFL in 1998 that are STILL playing?". Sorry dumb on my part.
For the larger point those two guys actually work even better.
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I was just asking... No one really thinks because Payton and Woodson are still in the league that 1998 and 2014 aren't "different eras?"
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The game was completely different in 1998. Bishop was a completely unique talent at the time and Mike Leach hadn't yet completely changed football offense
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The game was completely different in 1998. Bishop was a completely unique talent at the time and Mike Leach Hal Mumme hadn't yet completely changed football offense
Not sure how that's relevant though, running the spread isn't compulsory. Bishops arm would be completely wasted in the spread, that offense accounts for noodle armed inferior quarterbacks.
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The game was completely different in 1998. Bishop was a completely unique talent at the time and Mike Leach Hal Mumme hadn't yet completely changed football offense
Not sure how that's relevant though, running the spread isn't compulsory. Bishops arm would be completely wasted in the spread, that offense accounts for noodle armed inferior quarterbacks.
I'm just saying the game is extremely different - the spread changed defense almost as much as it has offense