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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: DFWHoopster on October 27, 2014, 04:50:03 PM
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Hello KSU fans. I'm one of the moderators on Baylor's 247 Sports site and I enjoy talking Big12 basketball. I write a preview of every team in the Big12 and wanted to share my KSU preview.
Would love your feedback on this- especially areas that you think need to be corrected (poorly informed)
http://baylor.247sports.com/Article/Kansas-State-MBB-Preview-14-15-32319338 (http://baylor.247sports.com/Article/Kansas-State-MBB-Preview-14-15-32319338)
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Outlook is incorrect, should read 40-0. The canadian (not drake) will make sure of this.
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have you seen our new videoboard? we cant lose with that kind of scoreboard. its incredible.
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1. On paper replacing Will Spradling and Shane Southwell doesn't seem like a big deal. But those two guys were the heart and soul of KSU basketball for the last 3 years. They were smart, tough players who helped them win a lot of close games. Will KSU maintain their toughness without them?
I don't know that I'd call Shane and Will the heart and soul of the team.
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Hello KSU fans.
:surprised:
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5. Last year, the conference officials said they were going to clean up the holding, hand checking and restraining freedom of movement. During non-conference play and the NCAA tournament, the officials seemed to place a strong emphasis on this. During Big12 play, officials let most of that go. This benefits guys like Gipson and Johnson inside. The Big12 has stated that they plan to revisit this emphasis again this year in conference play. How does the rule change affect Gipson and Johnson inside? They are physical players who don't have the quickest feet. With the emphasis on cleaning up hand checking and physical play when an offensive player has the ball, does this diminsh their effectiveness?
:bang: What?
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did not read but that photo of oscar looks half cyborg, half reptile which is pretty neat i guess. would be interesting to have a quick (or preferably very long) write up on that new videoboard as well. keep up the good work
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The straight to bottom reading method reveals that this guy thinks we are 9-9 conference trash.
I don't feel like I can take this crap seriously. :dunno:
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They project Hopper as the starting PG. Wtf.
On a side note, can you imagine how good we would be if we still had Angel?
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my dossier on Baylor has the bears winning 5 conference games this season. yes, you read that correctly, five conference wins for Baylor.
the biggest problem I have with this team is their lack of a consistent scorer
secondly, this team has shown to lack an enforcer in the paint. someone physical, without quick feet, but strong
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They project Hopper as the starting PG. Wtf.
On a side note, can you imagine how good we would be if we still had Angel?
oh man :frown:
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The new guy says: I'm one of the moderators on Baylor's 247 Sports site
I say: If you're not a mod here, you're not a mod.
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They project Hopper as the starting PG. Wtf.
On a side note, can you imagine how good we would be if we still had Angel?
It says Jevon now.
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6-4 200 lbs Hopper (JR)
Edwards had to sit out the 2013-14 season per transfer rules. He will have two years of eligibility starting this year. He comes from Maine University where he averaged 17 points; 5 rebounds and 3 assists. He's a Canadian and has a reputation for changing schools too much- Mark McLaughlin who signed with Baylor in 2009 is a guy that comes to mind here. But he is really talented and should be a high impact guy over the next two years if he can stay out of trouble and content at KSU.
Super duper :opcat:
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Thanks for thinking of us and coming to the source of emaw BB knowledge. Did not read, because realistically what is a Baylor fan going to contribute of worth about on-the-floor basketball? Now if it was about how to buy recruits under the NCAA radar, I'd not only read but tack to Weber's door.
My advice, tho, is if you don't have the Cats with 28+ wins and at least a share of the title, you need to erase everything and start again.
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DJamer is out for the season you stupid face
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They project Hopper as the starting PG. Wtf.
On a side note, can you imagine how good we would be if we still had Angel?
It says Jevon now.
That's a little better. I think the starting 5 will end up being Nigel/Jevon, Edwards, Foster, Westicles, and Gip. With Westicles adding a good amount of weight, I think they play him as a stretch 4 like Southwell played.
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I think you have to get Edwards and Foster on the floor at the same time. I hope we can get them into roles of both being comboguards and neither being a true PG.
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aren't you all a surly bunch?
1. Thanks for the info on DJamer- had not heard that. On the surface, that seems like a pretty big blow. Need Hurt to step up big.
2. You think they would go with Westicles at the 4? That would be a tough match-up for KSU defensively against a lot of teams. I would think Nino Williams gets the nod there due to experience, defense and rebounding.
3. If Jevon can't provide enough offense to keep defenses honest, don't you think Weber will go Edwards, Foster and Westicles to combine with Gipson and Williams? I changed it to Jevon as the starter and Edwards coming off the bench but I would think your best 5 will be Edwards, Foster, Westicles, Williams, Gipson.
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aren't you all a surly bunch?
1. Thanks for the info on DJamer- had not heard that. On the surface, that seems like a pretty big blow. Need Hurt to step up big.
2. You think they would go with Westicles at the 4? That would be a tough match-up for KSU defensively against a lot of teams. I would think Nino Williams gets the nod there due to experience, defense and rebounding.
3. If Jevon can't provide enough offense to keep defenses honest, don't you think Weber will go Edwards, Foster and Westicles to combine with Gipson and Williams? I changed it to Jevon as the starter and Edwards coming off the bench but I would think your best 5 will be Edwards, Foster, Westicles, Williams, Gipson.
We did the same thing with Southwell. Westicles with his added weight is a better matchup defensively against 4's than Southwell was.
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aren't you all a surly bunch?
1. Thanks for the info on DJamer- had not heard that. On the surface, that seems like a pretty big blow. Need Hurt to step up big.
2. You think they would go with Westicles at the 4? That would be a tough match-up for KSU defensively against a lot of teams. I would think Nino Williams gets the nod there due to experience, defense and rebounding.
3. If Jevon can't provide enough offense to keep defenses honest, don't you think Weber will go Edwards, Foster and Westicles to combine with Gipson and Williams? I changed it to Jevon as the starter and Edwards coming off the bench but I would think your best 5 will be Edwards, Foster, Westicles, Williams, Gipson.
We did the same thing with Southwell. Westicles with his added weight is a better matchup defensively against 4's than Southwell was.
Makes sense- thanks
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Westicles will probably almost exclusively play the 4
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I think the starting lineup will be the same as last season with Edwards swapped in for Spradling. So Foster, Edwards, Wes, Nino and Gip. Nino will still get shitty minutes just like last season, and Wes will split time between the 3 and 4.
If the light really went on for Jevon in the off-season, then I could see him knocking Nino out of the lineup and Wes shifting to the starting 4. He's really rough ridin' terrible at shooting though, so I doubt it. If Hurt isn't a big fat pud then I could also see him supplanting Nino with he and Gip starting in the frontcourt and Wes still at the 3.
If Malek is similarly talented to Wes, then I could see Nino not really playing much at all.
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i don't know how we don't start hurt unless he rough ridin' sucks. which would be sweet if he did.
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The dossie that I just cracked open here in front of myself right this moment says that oscar has never gone with two extra beefy paint monsters in his starting lineup. Ever. :eek: That's why they play the game though, folks. :Carl:
This other dossie that I have says that oscar prefers a stretch 4 man and that it is a powerful strong preference. :gocho:
Anyway, go cats! :bball:
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ya i just don't know how he can start three 6'6" guys at the 3-5 in league play when we have at least one capable 7" kat on the roster.
#mysteries of oscar
/^\
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Hurt is very shitty at blocking shots for being so tall and having been going against weak competition. Maybe because he's fat. Will make it easier for oscar to sit him. My dossies always say that if height doesn't produce then that dog won't hunt now will it.
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Hurt is very shitty at blocking shots for being so tall and having been going against weak competition. Maybe because he's fat. Will make it easier for oscar to sit him. My dossies always say that if height doesn't produce then that dog won't hunt now will it.
if what your dossier says is true about hurt, then he's not a capable player which was very clearly something my dossier highlighted as being a requirement
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Look sometimes dossies get boners over things like height and other dossies need to be consulted to straighten out that first, inferior-grade dossie. It happens all the time in the dossie game.
Doesn't sound like you've got much of a dossier on Hurt, if you don't mind my saying so. More like a guessier.
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Nigel Johnson will be our PG and he'll continue to be a BAMF! #Protip #AllProAnalysis #GetSome
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SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2013-14 KSU 13.8 1.4-3.7 .369 0.6-2.1 .274 0.8-1.2 .676 1.5 1.6 0.0 0.8 1.3 0.9 4.1
:Yuck:
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SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2013-14 KSU 13.8 1.4-3.7 .369 0.6-2.1 .274 0.8-1.2 .676 1.5 1.6 0.0 0.8 1.3 0.9 4.1
:Yuck:
:nono: 'shopped!
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Go purples at #23.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24769959/kentucky-is-no-1-in-cbssportscom-preseason-top-25-and-one (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24769959/kentucky-is-no-1-in-cbssportscom-preseason-top-25-and-one)
Projected starting lineup this season:
G: Jevon Thomas
G: Marcus Foster
G: Hopper
F: Westicles
F: Thomas Gipson
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I seriously don't think KU is going to be that great this year. I'm not gE'ing either.
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Dougie Gotts says qatz at #20! :excited: Other people say no. :frown:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24770933/expert-predictions-preseason-top-25-and-one (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24770933/expert-predictions-preseason-top-25-and-one)
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I seriously don't think KU is going to be that great this year. I'm not gE'ing either.
They will be better than last season. Alexander and Oubre combined with what they bring back is really rough ridin' good. I also think that second-year Mason and Frankamp with a freshman Graham is better than first-year Mason and Frankamp with a junior Tharpe.
I don't know what you mean by that great though.
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ya, if at this point you don't think ku is going to be really good every year then i don't know what to tell you. but- KU SUCKS.
more talented this year
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I don't know guys, it's just my gut feeling. I could be wrong tho. I have been for 10 years straight. ;)
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I seriously don't think KU is going to be that great this year. I'm not gE'ing either.
They will be better than last season. Alexander and Oubre combined with what they bring back is really rough ridin' good. I also think that second-year Mason and Frankamp with a freshman Graham is better than first-year Mason and Frankamp with a junior Tharpe.
I don't know what you mean by that great though.
I am not sure they will get the kind of play out those 3 they got from Tharpe, especially on the road. Tharpe was amazing in the wins @OU, @ISU and @BU. Bill is an amazing coach but his best teams have had either a creator on the perimeter like Sherron or had a ton of upperclassmen that could really run the offense like the Morri team or the one that got beat by UK in the title game. I don't think this team has either, just like last years didn't when Tharpe played poorly.
I see this years KU team as very similar to last year - maybe a little better on offense due to better shooting but at least a similar step back on D. Wiggins and Embid were defensive freaks of nature and they have the personnel to replace what Embid gave them but there is a big hole replacing Wiggins as an elite perimeter defender. Oubre sounds like a somewhat similar physical talent but no where near the desire to be a defender like Wiggins had.
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I don't know guys, it's just my gut feeling. I could be wrong tho. I have been for 10 years straight. ;)
Where does your gut have them?
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I don't know guys, it's just my gut feeling. I could be wrong tho. I have been for 10 years straight. ;)
Where does your gut have them?
I think Texas finishes ahead of them for some reason. This league should beat each other up pretty well this year.
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KU's going to win the Big 12. They may tie with someone, but they'll still get a claim. It's dumb not to think so at this point.
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KU's going to win the Big 12. They may tie with someone, but they'll still get a claim. It's dumb not to think so at this point.
You're really swinging for the fences here, Stevesie.
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KU's going to win the Big 12. They may tie with someone, but they'll still get a claim. It's dumb not to think so at this point.
You're really swinging for the fences here, Stevesie.
Not trying to predict something crazy, just trying to predict what's actual going to happen.
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I seriously don't think KU is going to be that great this year. I'm not gE'ing either.
They will be better than last season. Alexander and Oubre combined with what they bring back is really rough ridin' good. I also think that second-year Mason and Frankamp with a freshman Graham is better than first-year Mason and Frankamp with a junior Tharpe.
I don't know what you mean by that great though.
I am not sure they will get the kind of play out those 3 they got from Tharpe, especially on the road. Tharpe was amazing in the wins @OU, @ISU and @BU. Bill is an amazing coach but his best teams have had either a creator on the perimeter like Sherron or had a ton of upperclassmen that could really run the offense like the Morri team or the one that got beat by UK in the title game. I don't think this team has either, just like last years didn't when Tharpe played poorly.
I see this years KU team as very similar to last year - maybe a little better on offense due to better shooting but at least a similar step back on D. Wiggins and Embid were defensive freaks of nature and they have the personnel to replace what Embid gave them but there is a big hole replacing Wiggins as an elite perimeter defender. Oubre sounds like a somewhat similar physical talent but no where near the desire to be a defender like Wiggins had.
Are you rough ridin' kidding me right now? It feels like I'm being kidded. Tharpe was amazing in three wins? Three (I'm doing an Al Sharpton thing here) wins? How about when he was crap that was eaten and then crap out again in the losses to Villanova, Florida, SDSU, Texas, OSU and WVU? Good lord there is no rough ridin' way those other three won't be as good or better over the course of an entire season.
FURTHERMORE, last season was Self's worst at KU in terms of AdjD. That was his shittiest defensive team ever during kenpom's rankings (@Illinois and @KU). He isn't going to follow that up with another worst ever. I don't give two shits if Embiid and Wiggins are gone. What they brought to the table individually did not result in good team defense. Addition by subtraction. Self teams play good defense and that one didn't (comparatively). It was them not him.
They will be better on offense and defense next year and are going to kick many dicks off as per usual on their way to a conference champy.
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Are you rough ridin' kidding me right now? It feels like I'm being kidded. Tharpe was amazing in three wins? Three (I'm doing an Al Sharpton thing here) wins? How about when he was crap that was eaten and then crap out again in the losses to Villanova, Florida, SDSU, Texas, OSU and WVU? Good lord there is no rough ridin' way those other three won't be as good or better over the course of an entire season.
These 3 wins are what won them the conference last year, Tharpe shoooting 21/29 (9/13 from 3) will be very tough to replace and could mean they are down in a 12-4/11-5 scrap.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Wqt_g815Rns%2FULVrW9Gsq0I%2FAAAAAAAAXvs%2FvPNNhu_O46Q%2Fs1600%2FScrooged%2BBill%2BMurray%2Bholding%2Bup%2Bthree%2Bfingers.jpg&hash=71fb760caa88f1c797cba8119b24f61954598423)
FURTHERMORE, last season was Self's worst at KU in terms of AdjD. That was his shittiest defensive team ever during kenpom's rankings (@Illinois and @KU). He isn't going to follow that up with another worst ever. I don't give two shits if Embiid and Wiggins are gone. What they brought to the table individually did not result in good team defense. Addition by subtraction. Self teams play good defense and that one didn't (comparatively). It was them not him.
They will be better on offense and defense next year and are going to kick many dicks off as per usual on their way to a conference champy.
I think we are going to have to accept D's like last year are the new normal for Bill in the 1 and done era
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I just gave you six games that Tharpe's rough ridin' terrible shitshow play cost them and you give me three back. He only wins them games, but doesn't lose them any? Are you okay?
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Bill Self is going to kick Skipper44's dick right out the back of his ass. He's practically begging for it.
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I think we are going to have to accept D's like last year are the new normal for Bill in the 1 and done era
The one-and-done era began in 2005. Self's AdjD during that time frame: 3, 1, 1, 9, 9, 11, 3, 5 and 31. :Wha:
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I just gave you six games that Tharpe's rough ridin' terrible shitshow play cost them and you give me three back. He only wins them games, but doesn't lose them any? Are you okay?
are we not talking big 12 play itt? Do you think Roy > Bill because of his great record in the preseason NIT? And who gives a good goddamn about pissing away a game or 2 at lower divison teams, Bill's good for at least one of those a year.
I'd be a lot better if that bad person at 3rd had not given Gordon the stop sign
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I think we are going to have to accept D's like last year are the new normal for Bill in the 1 and done era
The one-and-done era began in 2005. Self's AdjD during that time frame: 3, 1, 1, 9, 9, 11, 3, 5 and 31. :Wha:
jfc bread, we both know Bill had only dipped a toe or 2 in the 1ndone pool until Cal showed him it had to be done in that title game. The world has moved on and so has Bill, eventually you will too.