Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on October 22, 2014, 02:19:15 PM
http://www.gq.com/sports/201411/last-chance-university
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on October 22, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
Nice find I enjoyed the read, Now we need to book Coleman a flight to Scooba MS.
Glad ya enjoyed it... I found it pretty entertaining as well.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 24, 2017, 06:35:10 PM
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Post by: tdaver on August 25, 2017, 10:00:15 AM
Highland's starting OL:
6'4" 290
6'3" 345
6'4" 330
6'5" 325
6'6" 340
Post by: kso_FAN on August 25, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 25, 2017, 05:01:44 PM
Post by: kslim on August 25, 2017, 05:37:02 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on August 25, 2017, 05:42:02 PM
I would assume its players that went d1 but I could be wrong
D1-ish?
Post by: Catchacold on August 25, 2017, 05:59:49 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 25, 2017, 06:26:12 PM
Post by: kslim on August 25, 2017, 07:04:52 PM
you could say thatI would assume its players that went d1 but I could be wrong
D1-ish?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 25, 2017, 09:42:37 PM
number of Kansas nativesthat are sophomores?
First total or second one?
Post by: Catchacold on August 26, 2017, 09:29:37 AM
number of Kansas nativesthat are sophomores?
First total or second one?
First total is this year's rosters, second is last year's. I think he is showing the number of "kansas kids" has dropped this year. No idea why.
Post by: GONNATEAMKILLU on August 26, 2017, 09:36:03 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 26, 2017, 10:04:56 AM
number of Kansas nativesthat are sophomores?
First total or second one?
First total is this year's rosters, second is last year's. I think he is showing the number of "kansas kids" has dropped this year. No idea why.
The 8 football playing schools threatened to leave the conference if the conference didn't change the out-of-state limits. I can't remember if they completely did away with the limits or when the rule change went into effect, but I think he's trying to show the affect of the rule change.
Post by: Lynchmobrules on August 26, 2017, 10:42:52 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
Post by: Lynchmobrules on August 26, 2017, 01:25:04 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys. Four Kansas kids at GCCC makes me sad. The Jayhawk Conference have won three of the last 10 national championships, I don't think another conference has more in that time frame. So I'm perplexed as to why the schools pressured this change.
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
The football coach at Garden thought he was at a competitive disadvantage with other schools.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/state-college-sports/article91997917.html
There are a whole bunch of other articles out there on the internet that can expound on the issue from his point of view.
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2017, 01:30:51 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on August 26, 2017, 01:35:25 PM
The game then was you recruited OL/DL in state and skill guys were out state HS or D1 bounce backs.
Initially they attempted to up out state limits but met resistance from kansas hs coaches. I am not sure what's transpired since then.
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Post by: kso_FAN on August 26, 2017, 02:36:04 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys. Four Kansas kids at GCCC makes me sad. The Jayhawk Conference have won three of the last 10 national championships, I don't think another conference has more in that time frame. So I'm perplexed as to why the schools pressured this change.
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
Yeah, I wasn't clear in my original post.
This is from last year when this originally passed: http://www.kansas.com/sports/article109538887.html
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2017, 02:44:41 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys. Four Kansas kids at GCCC makes me sad. The Jayhawk Conference have won three of the last 10 national championships, I don't think another conference has more in that time frame. So I'm perplexed as to why the schools pressured this change.
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
The football coach at Garden thought he was at a competitive disadvantage with other schools.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/state-college-sports/article91997917.html
There are a whole bunch of other articles out there on the internet that can expound on the issue from his point of view.
Jeff Sims makes some fair points but he's a liar
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“At some point, it became that on one side of it, if you were for the increase then you didn’t care about Kansas kids,” said Sims, who is in his second season. “That couldn’t be further from the truth. We will always keep promoting Kansas kids and will always be all about Kansas kids.LOL, the first season without a restriction and he goes down to 4 Kansas kids.
And he's a race baiting opportunist. Wypipo constantly accuse black people fighting for civil rights as race baiting, but I've never seen anyone race bait to this extent, what a clown.
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“The rules date back to the 1960s and 1950s and the problems they were having back then,” Sims said. “People can go back and do the research and find out why they were put in place, in the first place, and draw their own conclusions. But they’re only for football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball. I’ll leave it at that.
“I don’t think anybody is racist now, and that’s not their intent with this rule whatsoever. But I also don’t think they can stand up and say that trying to remove a rule that was put into place in 1965 is wrong.”
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Later in August, 49 football players and Garden City coach Jeff Sims filed complaints with the NAACP, saying out-of-state restrictions were based on past discrimination against minorities.Everyone should be offended by the implication and by this dude exploiting those kids for his personal gain.
Post by: kso_FAN on August 26, 2017, 03:51:50 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 26, 2017, 04:14:12 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys. Four Kansas kids at GCCC makes me sad. The Jayhawk Conference have won three of the last 10 national championships, I don't think another conference has more in that time frame. So I'm perplexed as to why the schools pressured this change.
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
The Washburn/Emporia St/Pitt St/Fort Hays round robin is fun as hell, with all of them playing each other & trying to knock off Northwest Missouri St. I'm not sure about the caliber of KS kids this will affect, but I'd think it will only help those schools as well.
Tom, if your kid didn't have the opportunity to go to Highland then FCS, would he have gone D2 out of HS?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on August 26, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
So, when the Jake Waters-led upstart program Iowa Western won the national title in 2012 (only a few years after creating the program), it spooked some of the Kansas coaches. It's not terribly crazy for them to think it's not fair that three schools that are practically conference members have a completely different set of rules.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2017, 08:56:31 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys. Four Kansas kids at GCCC makes me sad. The Jayhawk Conference have won three of the last 10 national championships, I don't think another conference has more in that time frame. So I'm perplexed as to why the schools pressured this change.
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
The Washburn/Emporia St/Pitt St/Fort Hays round robin is fun as hell, with all of them playing each other & trying to knock off Northwest Missouri St. I'm not sure about the caliber of KS kids this will affect, but I'd think it will only help those schools as well.
Tom, if your kid didn't have the opportunity to go to Highland then FCS, would he have gone D2 out of HS?
It will hurt the Kansas D2s the same way it will hurt the Kansas D1s. Less Kansas kids playing in the KJCCC, means less Kansas kids transferring to D2s when they are done. I'm certain we'll see a drop in transfers from Kansas community colleges to in-state D2 schools.
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If my computer skills were better I am sure I could insert this table but a picture will have to suffice.
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Post by: KST8FAN on August 27, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
The other piece of this is that the Kansas JUCOs started a scheduling agreement with the Iowa JUCOs a few years ago (technically, they aren't in the conference, but their schedules are basically all Kansas JUCOs plus the Iowa JUCOs). The Iowa JUCOs didn't have the restrictions the Kansas JUCOs had (no out-of-state roster limits, full scholarships, etc. - the Kansas JUCOs only covered tuition/books, not room/board, which was paid out-of-pocket by the student-athletes).
So, when the Jake Waters-led upstart program Iowa Western won the national title in 2012 (only a few years after creating the program), it spooked some of the Kansas coaches. It's not terribly crazy for them to think it's not fair that three schools that are practically conference members have a completely different set of rules.
The agreement with the ICCAC (Iowa Western, Ellsworth, Central Iowa) started in 2014. That coincided with KJCCC dropping their 4 team playoff (aka Region VI Juco playoffs) and expiration of agreements to play teams from Southwestern (Texas) JuCo Conference (ie- Blinn, NEO, Navarro). It helped to solidify a 10 game schedule for the Jayhawk teams (7 KJCCC, 3 ICCAC) with one open date to fill.
I think the Jayhawk teams played 1 SWJC team each year and backfilled with various DII JVs, etc. There was concern prior to the ICCAC agreement that Jayhawk teams were falling behind (exceptions of course, Butler/Hutch) competing with the Texas JuCos. The games against various DII JV and several "Prep" schools were not very competitive (Jayhawk teams won these easily by lopsided scores) and hurt the leagues perception as well.
Tom
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
All of the spreadsheet talk triggered my memory that I in fact had did a spreadsheet of the Juco rosters when my son was recruited and played at Highland.
If my computer skills were better I am sure I could insert this table but a picture will have to suffice.
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That's awesome, thanks Tom. Those percentages are in line with what I think community colleges in their respective states should have. Community colleges should be about providing opportunities for students and student athletes within the respective communities. What should have happened is that the NJCAA should have enacted in state minimums for all community college's, nationwide. This new rule is so far outside of the mission of what community colleges are it's laughable, and outside of attempting to win football games there's no credible justification for it.
Post by: kso_FAN on August 27, 2017, 11:48:51 AM
That's awesome, thanks Tom. Those percentages are in line with what I think community colleges in their respective states should have. Community colleges should be about providing opportunities for students and student athletes within the respective communities. What should have happened is that the NJCAA should have enacted in state minimums for all community college's, nationwide. This new rule is so far outside of the mission of what community colleges are it's laughable, and outside of attempting to win football games there's no credible justification for it.
I agree 100%.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 27, 2017, 12:24:55 PM
The Washburn/Emporia St/Pitt St/Fort Hays round robin is fun as hell, with all of them playing each other & trying to knock off Northwest Missouri St. I'm not sure about the caliber of KS kids this will affect, but I'd think it will only help those schools as well.
Tom, if your kid didn't have the opportunity to go to Highland then FCS, would he have gone D2 out of HS?
My son out of HS:
6'5-300 playing C, G, T in high school
2nd team Sunflower League player on an 0-9 football team
He was qualified academically
He was not any recruiting radars with any star rankings
He had some lite interest from D II's (visited NWMSU, camped and visited Emporia State{my sister is a graduate}), but on signing day his options were the following:
Hutch JuCo
Ft Scott JuCo
Highland JuCo
Emporia State walk on (coach said they could not match JuCo scholarship, but he could compete and pick up scholarship money based on performance in the spring)
Long story short if the JuCo option was not available to him he probably ends up as a walkon at Emporia State giving his aunt a fanningbrag.
The whole in state/out state dynamic became very apparent during recruiting. The in state OL players were a premium commodity because that meant a team could use the out state positions for skill players. The fact he had no academic/discipline issues raised his stock too.
He started two years at Highland (he was a captain and HM All-Conference as a sophomore). He was eligible to transfer at semester (Dec 14), and he had several nice D2 offers. K-State offered him a walk on opportunity after a couple of phone calls and a visit. OT: He got a speeding ticket driving back from his visit to Manhattan (hanging with Collin Klein and BJ Finney will get a guy pumped up I guess).
After spring 15 semester he assessed where he stood, and he had the opportunity to transfer to Western Illinois with a scholarship. He played there two years and graduated in four years. He got some decent playing time in the best FCS league in the country including 2-3 starts his senior year. Probably his only regret is not taking a red shirt year during his career.
The D2 offers, K-State experience, and FCS opportunity don't happen without the JuCo opportunity IMHO.
Sorry to fanningbrag too, but I would say the JuCo option offered him the ability to develop and play at his highest level which might not have happened otherwise.
Tom
Post by: KST8FAN on August 27, 2017, 01:21:59 PM
Top 10 by state
KS 104
FL 103
GA 88
AL 41
LA 36
TX 34
SC 31
TN 25
MO 25
NC 18
So with in state requirement gone KS players dropped from approximately 300 to 100.
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Post by: TheHamburglar on August 27, 2017, 01:33:46 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on August 27, 2017, 02:17:23 PM
Interesting thread guys. Never really gave the JuCo stuff much thought. Interesting to see how it works for players/families as well as feeding universities.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 27, 2017, 03:05:51 PM
Tom and has pivot tables have become my new favorite poster.Somebody coach me up... how do I just cut and paste these into a thread?
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Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
Also looking at Tom's spreadsheet, looks as if Sims border state example was also total bull crap.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2017, 03:08:48 PM
Tom and has pivot tables have become my new favorite poster.Somebody coach me up... how do I just cut and paste these into a thread?
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I wouldn't worry about it, we're getting the information.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2017, 03:22:03 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on August 27, 2017, 03:42:37 PM
My bud played de at highland Tom, and I went there for a year. :cheers:What years?
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Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
Post by: Katpappy on August 27, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
Long time ago Tom, I watched 9/11 happen while I was thereWho were the QBs back then?
Post by: AtlantaWildcat on August 28, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Thanks for the clarification guys. Four Kansas kids at GCCC makes me sad. The Jayhawk Conference have won three of the last 10 national championships, I don't think another conference has more in that time frame. So I'm perplexed as to why the schools pressured this change.
This rule is bad for Kansas high school kids and the D1 and D2 schools in the state. It's gonna be great for the NAIA schools in the state though.
The Garden City coach, has complained at every school he has coached at to get the scholarship limitations removed. He started the whole thing once he got to Garden City because he knew he couldn't win or recruit guys to come out there. Shockingly the win the Natty the following year. Its a terrible thing for Kansas kids who often get overlooked. D2's should be licking their chops.
Post by: kso_FAN on August 28, 2017, 11:21:19 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 28, 2017, 11:35:54 AM
It will be interesting to see how many more Kansas kids the D2 schools try to get. Washburn, Hays, and Emporia already have over 60 Kansas kids on their rosters each. Pitt St has 45. Plus each school has another 5-7 KC Mo kids.
Hays has changed quite a bit since I was there. Them having 60 KS kids is much different from the early 2000s. I was there when they were in the RMAC with a conference mandated 28 scholarship limit vs the D2 35 limit. The coach then hit the Killeen/Ft. Hood area & guys kicked off FCS teams hard. They struggled, then one of those FCS run-offs (with a couple other guys) beat a guy to death in the parking lot just outside Mrs. Hamburg's front door. A couple of the Killeen guys were decent, but found bringing good weed to western KS was a highly profitable business. The football team was not good.
Pitt recruits the Tulsa area hard for students. There has to be 15 billboards for Pitt State on the interstates/expressways promoting in-state tuition rates for qualified students. I've heard a lot of their coaches have been working hard with their general student recruiting to get into my suburb's HS to make themselves the preferred non-OU/OSU/TU option.
Post by: cas4ksu on August 28, 2017, 12:37:28 PM
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Post by: KST8FAN on September 09, 2017, 05:41:57 PM
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Post by: WildcatPower on September 09, 2017, 11:08:13 PM
Long time ago Tom, I watched 9/11 happen while I was thereWho were the QBs back then?
Highland CC graduate here, Class of 2001.
1999 - Brian Caler
2000 - Jeff Abbott.
Post by: KST8FAN on September 10, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
Hutch beat this outfit 91-0 yesterday.
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Post by: MadCat on September 10, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
https://www.rezolutionprepacademy.net
Hutch beat this outfit 91-0 yesterday.
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FWIW, Kody Cook is TE coach there now:
http://www.bluedragonsports.com/sports/fball/coaches/Kody_Cook?view=bio (http://www.bluedragonsports.com/sports/fball/coaches/Kody_Cook?view=bio)
Post by: Katpappy on September 10, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
My boy was there in 2003 & 2004. Played QB then moved to Safety.Long time ago Tom, I watched 9/11 happen while I was thereWho were the QBs back then?
Highland CC graduate here, Class of 2001.
1999 - Brian Caler
2000 - Jeff Abbott.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 12, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
????
Indy picked to win the Jaybawk again this year and another year of filming.
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Post by: Shooter Jones on August 12, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
Is there a thread about Last Chaance U or does it go here? Finally started watching season 3 about Indy in KJCCC.
????
Indy picked to win the Jaybawk again this year and another year of filming.
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I enjoyed it. ICC's facilities are laughable (even compared to other JUCO's). But also, I was confused watching it. I seemed to remember there was a KJCCC playoff at the end of the season when I was in school. Did they dump it and just give a regular season champ now or am I misremembering the playoff?
Go Red Ravens.
Post by: nicname on August 12, 2018, 08:20:12 PM
Is there a thread about Last Chaance U or does it go here? Finally started watching season 3 about Indy in KJCCC.
????
Indy picked to win the Jaybawk again this year and another year of filming.
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I enjoyed it. ICC's facilities are laughable (even compared to other JUCO's). But also, I was confused watching it. I seemed to remember there was a KJCCC playoff at the end of the season when I was in school. Did they dump it and just give a regular season champ now or am I misremembering the playoff?
Go Red Ravens.
I didn't think of that when watching, but you're right. They called it the Region 6 Championship or something. I know they played it in 2011.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 12, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Your memory is still good. Regular season used to be 9 games.Is there a thread about Last Chaance U or does it go here? Finally started watching season 3 about Indy in KJCCC.
????
Indy picked to win the Jaybawk again this year and another year of filming.
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I enjoyed it. ICC's facilities are laughable (even compared to other JUCO's). But also, I was confused watching it. I seemed to remember there was a KJCCC playoff at the end of the season when I was in school. Did they dump it and just give a regular season champ now or am I misremembering the playoff?
Go Red Ravens.
Last year for the "Region VI" playoff was 2013 my son's freshman year at Highland. That was top 4 from regular season In semifinal then winners in final.
In 2014 they signed an agreement to play the three Iowa jucos thus filling out an 11-game schedule for everybody in the conference (7 league, 3 Iowa, 1 other). That eliminated the playoffs.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 13, 2018, 09:00:09 AM
Post by: KST8FAN on August 25, 2018, 09:32:25 PM
Highland spent $600k on field turf and new scoreboard.
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Post by: tdaver on August 25, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on August 26, 2018, 08:05:13 AM
I am.so conditioned to not having replay at KJCCC games I kept forgetting to look.
No field level cameras or other angles. All shot from the press box.
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Post by: KST8FAN on August 26, 2018, 08:18:45 AM
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Post by: tdaver on August 26, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
They did not show replays. The side judge called it a touchdown immediately then I think there was a debate about dual possession after they unraveled the pile.
I am.so conditioned to not having replay at KJCCC games I kept forgetting to look.
No field level cameras or other angles. All shot from the press box.
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They did use a couple other cameras early in the stream (from the southeast sideline and east EZ I think) but quality wasn’t good.
Post by: KST8FAN on September 03, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
This year's KJCCC rosters by school and player state. I summarized by P5 conference except for Kansas, Big12, and border states.KJCCC rosters posted for 2018. Kansas player numbers erode further since in state roster requirement was lifted. 104 Kansas players in 2017 down to 78 in 2018.
Top 10 by state
KS 104
FL 103
GA 88
AL 41
LA 36
TX 34
SC 31
TN 25
MO 25
NC 18
So with in state requirement gone KS players dropped from approximately 300 to 100.
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I need to familiarize myself with active roster rules or if that is even a rule anymore. Week 1 Highland v Ft Scott there was only 3 Kansas kids on the program rosters.
I hope MIAA, HOAA, KCAC are filling the void by picking up some of the 200 kids no longer recruited to KJCCC rosters.
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Post by: Shooter Jones on October 21, 2018, 08:44:59 PM
Is there a thread about Last Chaance U or does it go here? Finally started watching season 3 about Indy in KJCCC.
????
Indy picked to win the Jaybawk again this year and another year of filming.
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Indy has lost 6 straight games.. currently 1-6, 1-5 in conference.
I'm trying to decide if I think the next season of LCU will be hilariously entertaining, sad, cringeworthy, or a mix of them all.
Have to assume they'll be somewhere else next year.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2018, 12:02:44 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 22, 2018, 09:12:34 AM
I read something that one of the guys working on the show who said that two years is a good timeframe for the show. I'd expect to see them shooting in Arizona or California next season.
Yeah, AZ JUCO football is a crap show these days, still some good programs in that league, though. So that could be entertaining either way.
Could see a Southwest conference school as well.
Would really like to see who all turned it down the last time, cause it sounds like it was a decent list before they settled on Indy.
Post by: tdaver on October 22, 2018, 11:57:32 AM
Post by: WildcatPower on October 23, 2018, 12:47:12 AM
My son played at Highland 13-14. At that time they had 85 scholarships (tuition/books only). The in season roster was 63 players. The roster was 43 in State and 20 out state.
The game then was you recruited OL/DL in state and skill guys were out state HS or D1 bounce backs.
Initially they attempted to up out state limits but met resistance from kansas hs coaches. I am not sure what's transpired since then.
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I believe 20 out of state is still the norm? I couldn't remember what the rule was in 2000-2001, but I would anticipate that the max out of state scholarships was 20 at the time, but I could be wrong.
Post by: WildcatPower on October 23, 2018, 12:50:14 AM
My boy was there in 2003 & 2004. Played QB then moved to Safety.Long time ago Tom, I watched 9/11 happen while I was thereWho were the QBs back then?
Highland CC graduate here, Class of 2001.
1999 - Brian Caler
2000 - Jeff Abbott.
Yeah, that was after I left. I think Marty Allen and/or Greg Delziet was still coaching there. I think Allen retired after the 2004 season.
Post by: WildcatPower on October 23, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
Another to consider is the location of the school. El Dorado is not too far off from Wichita, and it's a decent sized town/city, compared to Highland. :shrug:
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2018, 02:36:05 AM
My son played at Highland 13-14. At that time they had 85 scholarships (tuition/books only). The in season roster was 63 players. The roster was 43 in State and 20 out state.
The game then was you recruited OL/DL in state and skill guys were out state HS or D1 bounce backs.
Initially they attempted to up out state limits but met resistance from kansas hs coaches. I am not sure what's transpired since then.
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I believe 20 out of state is still the norm? I couldn't remember what the rule was in 2000-2001, but I would anticipate that the max out of state scholarships was 20 at the time, but I could be wrong.
Yeah, the out of state scholarship max was 20 from the 1950's until 2017.
I wonder if another reasons to think about the decline of KS kids in the Junior College routes is that they don't specialize on football on a consistent basis, like how Texas/Florida HSAA rules are.
Another to consider is the location of the school. El Dorado is not too far off from Wichita, and it's a decent sized town/city, compared to Highland. :shrug:
No, it's because Kansas has a small population base. I doesn't make a bit of sense to require the conference to carry that many Kansans. There are 8 Jayhawk Conference schools, at 65 in state kids each, that's a minimum of 520 Kansas kids playing community college football each year. That doesn't count the kids in the state playing D1 and D2. That's a lot of 8 man lineman playing community college football, it's a wonder how Butler, Garden, and Hutch were ever good. When we made our run in the 90's on the back of the Jayhawk Conference; Kansas, a handful of Texas schools, and one school in Utah, and one in Idaho were the only places taking community college football seriously so the Jayhawk Conference, while only having 160 out of state players, had the best placements in the county, essentially all of them. This isn't the case anymore, when the southern schools, western schools, and Iowa got serious about community college football, Kansas had to change. It was a move to stay relevant, the civil rights angle some of them took was offensive. It wouldn't have been if they actually cared about that, but they definitely didn't care about the rights of African American students in other states.
Post by: KST8FAN on February 21, 2019, 09:42:04 PM
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Post by: manpow5 on February 22, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
Last Chance U becomes Final Solution U.
Solid comment, but also you're a horrible person
Post by: MakeItRain on February 22, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Last Chance U becomes Final Solution U.:lol: :horrorsurprise: :nono:
Post by: MadCat on February 22, 2019, 02:04:37 PM
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Post by: cas4ksu on February 25, 2019, 12:05:30 PM
kudos to ICC on the late, late sunday night press release.
Post by: tdaver on May 02, 2019, 10:56:11 AM
Hearing rumors that KS jucos are thinking about capping out of state players again. Probably wouldn’t be down to previous number but some middle ground.
https://www.kcur.org/post/why-kansas-junior-colleges-are-again-capping-scholarships-out-state-players
Post by: KST8FAN on May 02, 2019, 08:49:08 PM
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“We've had Kansas kids, Olathe kids, who've been passed over," says Olathe Public Schools Athletic Director Tim Brady. "Our kids want to stay in Kansas. They want their parents to come see them play.”
Shawnee Mission School District Athletic Director Richard Kramer doesn't expect the rule change to have much of an impact on his students, "It's a small number."
39 kids from Sunflower schools signed to play football at KJCCC schools in 2013 of which 15 were Olathe kids.
Last year there were 14 with 6 from Olathe.
My son is back at Highland coaching OL. He had mentioned this was getting traction. Kansas o line kids just became a premium again.
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Post by: steve dave on May 02, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on October 05, 2019, 04:27:53 PM
#1 upset in Highland today.
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Post by: KST8FAN on November 07, 2019, 01:53:55 PM
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Post by: PorkChop Express on November 07, 2019, 02:59:04 PM
Post by: tdaver on November 07, 2019, 05:15:04 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on November 07, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Don’t know if it has anything to do with it, but Highland has a new AD this year.Can confirm.
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Post by: KST8FAN on November 11, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
Post by: tdaver on November 11, 2019, 11:29:21 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on November 12, 2019, 03:52:50 AM
Those are last year’s bowl gamesWell that's embarrassing. Here are rankings and championship match up at least.
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/fball/polls
https://njcaa.org/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191111ohydxp
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Post by: Shooter Jones on November 13, 2019, 12:10:37 PM
Those are last year’s bowl gamesWell that's embarrassing. Here are rankings and championship match up at least.
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/fball/polls
https://njcaa.org/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191111ohydxp
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Mississippi Gulf Coast has some very impressive facilities for a juco. Not surprising to see them having success.
Of note: I see the new Last Chance U school is currently a boring 5-4, so I hope there is some nice Oaktown drama to spice up the season.
Post by: KST8FAN on November 17, 2019, 08:10:34 AM
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Post by: KST8FAN on December 17, 2019, 06:03:04 PM
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Post by: KST8FAN on February 12, 2020, 07:37:41 PM
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Post by: tdaver on February 13, 2020, 06:37:18 PM
https://www.atchisonglobenow.com/news/local_news/hcc-racial-row-inquiry-expands/article_0ac1887a-4d25-11ea-93ba-23bcdfffb56d.html
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New administration off to a rough start
Post by: star seed 7 on February 13, 2020, 07:21:19 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on March 15, 2020, 06:24:45 PM
Football coaches faced much the same as the basketball coach. Head coach opted to resign. It really soured my son on coaching.
He stuck it out thru December to help kids transfer and get recruited.
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Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article239365708.html
Football coaches faced much the same as the basketball coach. Head coach opted to resign. It really soured my son on coaching.
He stuck it out thru December to help kids transfer and get recruited.
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Surprising. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Post by: KST8FAN on July 10, 2020, 08:01:13 AM
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Post by: Kid In the Hall on July 10, 2020, 03:52:43 PM
https://www.mantecabulletin.com/sports/collegiate-sports/fall-sports-sacked/
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Will be interesting to see if the NJCAA feels the pressure/does the same thing.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 10, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
https://www.mantecabulletin.com/sports/collegiate-sports/fall-sports-sacked/
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Will be interesting to see if the NJCAA feels the pressure/does the same thing.
I'd think they would leave this up to the conferences/state associations.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on July 12, 2020, 03:38:24 PM
NJCAA expected to move football to spring https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29452386/national-junior-college-athletic-association-expected-move-football-season-spring
Post by: turnbull on July 12, 2020, 05:47:18 PM
That didn't take long...
NJCAA expected to move football to spring https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29452386/national-junior-college-athletic-association-expected-move-football-season-spring
Post by: KST8FAN on November 17, 2020, 07:21:47 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2020, 08:46:48 PM
https://www.wibw.com/2020/11/16/highland-cc-settles-lawsuit-over-athlete-recruitment/
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I wish cases like this wouldn't settle without public disclosure. If Highland doesn't have to publicly discussed the allegations, I don't understand the point of the lawsuit.
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Post by: KST8FAN on November 09, 2021, 09:17:42 AM
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Post by: wiley on November 09, 2021, 11:09:45 AM
https://www.fortscott.edu/article/11082021-710pm/Football-Program-Update?fbclid=IwAR1bKGFruU_4A0wvb6H045D53eSIc175B3wZq8DHXKwbuQip1Xhx4jrGsBYThat’s a sad deal
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 09, 2021, 11:21:39 AM
Post by: KST8FAN on November 09, 2021, 12:02:12 PM
That is a bummer. Out of the 21 colleges in that conference, only 8 play football. I wonder if they keep playing with 7 or figure something else out. Their season schedule is already light, and some end up playing a school from Iowa.They did have an agreement with the 3 Iowa JuCos... Central Iowa, Iowa Western, and Ellsworth all played the KJCCC schools to round out the schedule. It appears that expired.
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Post by: Spracne on November 09, 2021, 12:21:22 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 09, 2021, 12:56:54 PM
But, they still let them participate in the league playoffs as the No. 8 seed. So, then they play the No. 1 seed (Coffeyville) last week and absolutely destroy them 48-7. First time a "No. 8" seed ever beat a No. 1 seed in the Jayhawk.
Crazy.
Post by: steve dave on November 09, 2021, 12:58:27 PM
I hadn't paid attention to the Jayhawk this year, but Butler had to forfeit all league wins due to playing an ineligible player.
But, they still let them participate in the league playoffs as the No. 8 seed. So, then they play the No. 1 seed (Coffeyville) last week and absolutely destroy them 48-7. First time a "No. 8" seed ever beat a No. 1 seed in the Jayhawk.
Crazy.
lmao
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 09, 2021, 01:42:08 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 09, 2021, 07:01:08 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on November 10, 2021, 07:03:56 AM
Jayhawk used to play non cons with the Texas JuCo + NEO aka Southwest Conference. That Conference along with the three Iowa schools would create quality schedules. Playing preps have led to ridiculous non-competive scores. Of course when Highland and F T Scott are getting smoked by 40-50 points that's not good either.
Highland is now the bottom feeder with Ft Scott exit. Hard to see that after that program was respectable for 6-7 years.
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Post by: tdaver on November 10, 2021, 08:24:17 AM
And now highland is looking for a new coach again. Their last couple years would make a good case study on how an AD can tank an entire athletic department.
Post by: IPA4Me on November 10, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 10, 2021, 10:16:25 AM
https://scottieathletics.com/news/2021/11/9/jeff-hancock-resigns-from-highland-football.aspxHighland seems like it would be a relentlessly bleak place to go to college. Outside of having no other options, I can't imaging why anyone would want to live or go to college there.
And now highland is looking for a new coach again. Their last couple years would make a good case study on how an AD can tank an entire athletic department.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 10, 2021, 10:26:46 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on November 10, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
That's disappointing, Fort Scott has always been homecoming fodder for the other teams, at least the last 30 years at least. Anyway, sad deal for those who care about Fort Scott and the Jayhawk Conference.
They won a national title in 2009. Watched them play Blinn College in the old Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO) - Blinn used to be a funnel to Snyder's Wildcats (Michael Bishop among others ). They were good in the 1960's and 70's, and had a brief resurgence about 15 years ago.
Post by: wiley on November 10, 2021, 11:37:01 AM
Cam Newton and I believe James Johnson (prince era RB) went to BlinnThat's disappointing, Fort Scott has always been homecoming fodder for the other teams, at least the last 30 years at least. Anyway, sad deal for those who care about Fort Scott and the Jayhawk Conference.
They won a national title in 2009. Watched them play Blinn College in the old Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO) - Blinn used to be a funnel to Snyder's Wildcats (Michael Bishop among others ). They were good in the 1960's and 70's, and had a brief resurgence about 15 years ago.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 10, 2021, 11:40:38 AM
That's disappointing, Fort Scott has always been homecoming fodder for the other teams, at least the last 30 years at least. Anyway, sad deal for those who care about Fort Scott and the Jayhawk Conference.
They won a national title in 2009. Watched them play Blinn College in the old Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO) - Blinn used to be a funnel to Snyder's Wildcats (Michael Bishop among others ). They were good in the 1960's and 70's, and had a brief resurgence about 15 years ago.
Uh, they did not win that 2009 game.....
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 10, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
FSCC has 97 kids on their roster. I assume few if any of those kids would have attended FSCC otherwise.
Enrollment tanked at many community colleges due to the pandemic. Ft. Scott is actually in pretty good shape compared to many in the state. Independence is in the worst spot - their enrollment is now under 1,000. With the football team being close to 100 plus athletes from other sports, their enrollment is probably close to 50% student athletes.
Of course, their low enrollment is also due to the fact that it's stupid to have two community colleges that are 20 miles apart in the same county in rural Kansas.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 10, 2021, 12:17:31 PM
FSCC has 97 kids on their roster. I assume few if any of those kids would have attended FSCC otherwise.
Enrollment tanked at many community colleges due to the pandemic. Ft. Scott is actually in pretty good shape compared to many in the state. Independence is in the worst spot - their enrollment is now under 1,000. With the football team being close to 100 plus athletes from other sports, their enrollment is probably close to 50% student athletes.
Of course, their low enrollment is also due to the fact that it's stupid to have two community colleges that are 20 miles apart in the same county in rural Kansas.
I think FS and Indy both recently built turf practice field facilities recently as well. Not sure on cost, but had to be close to a mill each.
Post by: deputy dawg on November 10, 2021, 01:45:04 PM
That's disappointing, Fort Scott has always been homecoming fodder for the other teams, at least the last 30 years at least. Anyway, sad deal for those who care about Fort Scott and the Jayhawk Conference.
They won a national title in 2009. Watched them play Blinn College in the old Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO) - Blinn used to be a funnel to Snyder's Wildcats (Michael Bishop among others ). They were good in the 1960's and 70's, and had a brief resurgence about 15 years ago.
Uh, they did not win that 2009 game.....
my bad, forgot how close that game was. greyhounds had it in hand until last 2 minutes.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2021, 12:18:03 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckChaneyBCTG/status/1457524259652309001
The least surprising thing I've ever read. Cross post with the worst town in Kansas thread
Post by: bananaeater on November 11, 2021, 11:26:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckChaneyBCTG/status/1457524259652309001
The least surprising thing I've ever read. Cross post with the worst town in Kansas thread
Coffeyville is the stuff of nightmares.
Post by: KST8FAN on December 27, 2021, 09:47:53 AM
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