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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 09, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
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Why do voter ID requirements disproportionately reduce turnout among black and younger voters? Is it really so hard to procure some form of ID to prove you are a registered voter before casting a ballot? Do you think this is discouraging registered voters from voting, or just the dumbasses who show up at a polling place on election day without having bothered to register (or registered unknowingly for the free t-shirt)?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article2632563.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article2632563.html)
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If we are going to require a photo id, then I think we should probably issue one free of charge when somebody registers to vote. That seems kind of wasteful, though.
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1. I don't think it is a big deal to require a photo ID. I mean, a bunch of transactions in our society already require one.
2. Fully agree that a form of ID should be free, and reasonable to get your hands on, if required to vote. Remove all obstacles. Unfortunately, the I think the obstacles are exactly what Kobach is counting on.
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If we are going to require a photo id, then I think we should probably issue one free of charge when somebody registers to vote. That seems kind of wasteful, though.
Let's get rid of social security cards while we're at it. Ridiculously wasteful.
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Somebody told me a long time ago that it is a law that you carry a DL or ID card with you at all times so that you can provide it to authorities if asked. Is this true?
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Somebody told me a long time ago that it is a law that you carry a DL or ID card with you at all times so that you can provide it to authorities if asked. Is this true?
Only if you live in Arizona and are Hispanic.
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If we are going to require a photo id, then I think we should probably issue one free of charge when somebody registers to vote. That seems kind of wasteful, though.
Let's get rid of social security cards while we're at it. Ridiculously wasteful.
Are these still a thing?
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Somebody told me a long time ago that it is a law that you carry a DL or ID card with you at all times so that you can provide it to authorities if asked. Is this true?
You don't have to show anyone anything. Free country, bro.
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I honestly had no idea the ID thing wasn't already required. I just assumed you had to prove who you were to vote, and the most perfunctory way to do that is with ID.
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If they require an Id they should provide them
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I'll be honest, I don't really understand the problem with showing ID to vote in person. If you don't have an ID and you're too old or handicapped to get one, request an absentee ballot where ID is not required.
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The supposed issue is that the very poor that work multiple jobs, don't have a car, etc don't have as much ability as the rest of society to take off work to go wait in line forever at the DMV for an ID.
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Also, the whole passport mention is lol'ey. I mean, I got mine last year and it cost something around $115 ea for my wife and I with stops at a place to get a pic, then a stop at the post office sometime btwn 9am & 4pm. If that isn't a barrier against poor ppl voting, I dont know what is.
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Pretty sure most states offer free or nearly free ID for anyone that can prove who they are.
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Pretty sure most states offer free or nearly free ID for anyone that can prove who they are.
Proving who you are can be a real pain in the ass, though.
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The supposed issue is that the very poor that work multiple jobs, don't have a car, etc don't have as much ability as the rest of society to take off work to go wait in line forever at the DMV for an ID.
If you have time to wait in line to vote, you can make time to get a photo ID card.
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I have never once had to wait in line to vote. I just show up, take a ballot straight to the booth, and fill that sucker out. The day I have to wait on somebody so I can enter the booth is the day I start getting absentee ballots.
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I tend to believe that people who are too busy to go and get an ID are also too busy to go vote.
The entire idea that there is widespread voter fraud is pretty ridiculous.
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The supposed issue is that the very poor that work multiple jobs, don't have a car, etc don't have as much ability as the rest of society to take off work to go wait in line forever at the DMV for an ID.
If you have time to wait in line to vote, you can make time to get a photo ID card.
Law offers protection for those missing work to do one of those things.
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I tend to believe that people who are too busy to go and get an ID are also too busy to go vote.
The entire idea that there is widespread voter fraud is pretty ridiculous.
I am not defending either side. I actually like the ID requirement.
That said, I do understand that many ppl who are barely financially making it work jobs that bosses fire them from if they have to miss the second half of next Wednesday to get in line and get an ID. That or they can't afford to miss the wages from that time off.
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The belief that obtaining an ID inordinately more difficult for certain demographics is as stupid as the belief that there is no voter fraud. If you give a crap about democracy, you should be concerned about voter fraud. If you have absolutely no controls in place to identify voter fraud, you aren't going to catch any (as is currently the case).
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I agree with the second half of your post. However, if you don't understand the barrier I detailed, you are being willfully ignorant, or just gE'ing.
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I agree with the second half of your post. However, if you don't understand the barrier I detailed, you are being willfully ignorant, or just gE'ing.
I promise you I'm busier than these people who supposedly can't get to the dmv. $15 is not financially constraining on anyone, but also a red herring as ID are offered free of charge. What's next? A mobile polling station that goes door to door so people can vote without leaving their house? (Dems would love this). The notion that no effort or inconvenience should be required to vote is as absurd.
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If requiring id prevents 5 cases of voter fraud, it's worth it.
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I agree that you, and I, are busier than many who fall into the category of what I described. That said, most ppl in careers, not jobs, have the ability to have some flexibility in their day to day function as long as the product they produce is done when needed.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
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Really, this issue outlines how shitty, archaic, and 20th century our practices for obtaining an ID are. You should not have to wait in line at all to get a driver's license. You should be able to fill out all the paperwork and if necessary, take the test online before you even show up. Drivers tests should be by appointment and the only process that should be handled inside of the DMV is taking a photograph.
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Really, this issue outlines how shitty, archaic, and 20th century our practices for obtaining an ID are. You should not have to wait in line at all to get a driver's license. You should be able to fill out all the paperwork and if necessary, take the test online before you even show up. Drivers tests should be by appointment and the only process that should be handled inside of the DMV is taking a photograph.
National IDs!!!! OBAMA FASCIST!!!!
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So is it true that all people on welfare receive a "government assistance ID card"? Because that's listed as an acceptable form of identification to vote. Seems like that pretty much nixes the whole "too burdensome for poor people" argument.
I also agree that, putting voter fraud aside, it's maybe not such a bad thing to require at least a small amount of effort to vote.
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I also agree that, putting voter fraud aside, it's maybe not such a bad thing to require at least a small amount of effort to vote.
I'm not sure if I agree with this. Maybe you could list some pros/cons.
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I tend to believe that people who are too busy to go and get an ID are also too busy to go vote.
The entire idea that there is widespread voter fraud is pretty ridiculous.
How much voter fraud is acceptable, I don't even know how to measure it, wanna use percentage of the vote?
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I also agree that, putting voter fraud aside, it's maybe not such a bad thing to require at least a small amount of effort to vote.
I'm not sure if I agree with this. Maybe you could list some pros/cons.
I can't say this for certain, but I would assume that people who are willing to make an effort to vote have also made an effort to educate themselves and understand why they're voting for a particular candidate. They also care enough about their country to make the effort. Both of those are good qualities for the electorate, no matter which ideology. I'm not talking about running a 5k - we're talking extremely little effort here, and if you're not willing to even do that, you annoy me and I'm glad your vote doesn't count.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
NEVER A SINGLE CASE :lol:
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GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.
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GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.
How did they register to vote?
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GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.
How did they register to vote?
Exactly, they a) can't and b) never would because what immigrant lacking documentation would walk into an office who's nearly sole purpose is to verify documentation? The majority of illegal immigrants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, driver's licenses, etc because they're afraid that by trying to get one they'll get deported. It's absolutely insane that anyone thinks any "illegal" immigrant would risk everything they have to cast 1 ballot in an election.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
NEVER A SINGLE CASE :lol:
How many has Kobach found?
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GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.
How did they register to vote?
same way they do it now, stolen social security number, name and address.
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GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.
How did they register to vote?
Exactly, they a) can't and b) never would because what immigrant lacking documentation would walk into an office who's nearly sole purpose is to verify documentation? The majority of illegal immigrants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, driver's licenses, etc because they're afraid that by trying to get one they'll get deported. It's absolutely insane that anyone thinks any "illegal" immigrant would risk everything they have to cast 1 ballot in an election.
none of this is true. Good grief
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GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.
How did they register to vote?
Exactly, they a) can't and b) never would because what immigrant lacking documentation would walk into an office who's nearly sole purpose is to verify documentation? The majority of illegal immigrants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, driver's licenses, etc because they're afraid that by trying to get one they'll get deported. It's absolutely insane that anyone thinks any "illegal" immigrant would risk everything they have to cast 1 ballot in an election.
Nobody is being deported, or even held in custody. They are being paid by ACORN and the hundreds of it's spinoffs. Load them on buses with a list of socials to register, then again to the polls. There is also a problem with citizens voting multiple times under different names. Registrars offices don't care and take the information at face value.
Here is an NBC affiliate report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hjmKBfrycQ)
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:jeffy:
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This is pretty LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x8mK4ar9w0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x8mK4ar9w0)
So these guys laugh at the thought of voter fraud in general, but then to point out what a huge problem voter fraud actually is, but only on the republican side.
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having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification. registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.
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having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification. registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.
Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved. I also like the purple thumb dye thing they do in other countries.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
NEVER A SINGLE CASE :lol:
How many has Kobach found?
bingo
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Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved.
if anyone wanted to sell the idea to the public, this is the way to do it.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
NEVER A SINGLE CASE :lol:
How many has Kobach found?
bingo
We have voter id laws, retards.
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Kinda sad how the resident neocons are acting out because renocat is stealing their attention
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They are threatened by a real conservative, I guess.
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It's not just requiring ID. For example, when we moved back to Kansas, my wife went out to the website and wrote down everything she needed to take.
She took her Missouri DL, birth certificate, SSN card, etc. Pretty much everything she had. When she got to the polling place, they wanted to see her marriage certificate so they could prove that she was married to me, and that's why her name on her current ID didn't match her birth certificate.
It doesn't matter that she had two forms of ID that were considered fine; they needed something they didn't even tell her to bring.
When I sat in the DMV waiting to get all of this taken care of, at least 50% of the people coming in were turned away because they didn't have enough ID. They had all sorts of stuff, but it was about 75% of what they needed. Even when I did get all of it done, I requested to register to vote when I got my DL, for which I provided all of the necessary info, and I was still told to send in a picture of my Passport to the county voting office.
Look, I'm all for responsible identification, but what they are doing is incredibly complex for 90% of the people out there. It's almost designed frustrate people to the point of, "Eff it, I don't give a crap about voting."
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Its not almost what it is. That is what it is.
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Chip in the wrist at birth solves all this
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SS office is so much more efficient than the DMV.
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It's not just requiring ID. For example, when we moved back to Kansas, my wife went out to the website and wrote down everything she needed to take.
She took her Missouri DL, birth certificate, SSN card, etc. Pretty much everything she had. When she got to the polling place, they wanted to see her marriage certificate so they could prove that she was married to me, and that's why her name on her current ID didn't match her birth certificate.
It doesn't matter that she had two forms of ID that were considered fine; they needed something they didn't even tell her to bring.
When I sat in the DMV waiting to get all of this taken care of, at least 50% of the people coming in were turned away because they didn't have enough ID. They had all sorts of stuff, but it was about 75% of what they needed. Even when I did get all of it done, I requested to register to vote when I got my DL, for which I provided all of the necessary info, and I was still told to send in a picture of my Passport to the county voting office.
Look, I'm all for responsible identification, but what they are doing is incredibly complex for 90% of the people out there. It's almost designed frustrate people to the point of, "Eff it, I don't give a crap about voting."
yeah. it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that we don't have national voting cards, like jd said.
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Its not almost what it is. That is what it is.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt as opposed to jumping to conclusions that they're pieces of crap.
Though my perception of Kobach is that he's a total piece of crap.
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Its not almost what it is. That is what it is.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt as opposed to jumping to conclusions that they're pieces of crap.
Though my perception of Kobach is that he's a total piece of crap.
Yeah, he is pretty much the biggest piece if crap in the universe.
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In the political world of poop, kobach is vodka and pizza shuttle poops
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When the libtards are calling you a poopiehead - you're on the right track.
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When the libtards are calling you a poopiehead - you're on the right track.
Sounds a lot like what Brownback would say but let's be honest, kobach and brownies ultra-right platform is on notice in Kansas and the voters who are spearheading it are not democrats.
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Brownback losing in polls, Roberts losing in polls, kobach pretty close in polls (losing in some). I get there are a few weeks to go, but that seems to speak volumes in one of the redest states, imo.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
NEVER A SINGLE CASE :lol:
How many has Kobach found?
bingo
We have voter id laws, retards.
WTF is wrong with the radical right and reading comprehension? All over the place with inventing "facts." No interconnecting logic in any of your posting. Just WTF. Go back and read the posts. Go back and read the facts that Kobach has admitted to.
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When the libtards are calling you a poopiehead - you're on the right track.
Sounds a lot like what Brownback would say but let's be honest, kobach and brownies ultra-right platform is on notice in Kansas and the voters who are spearheading it are not democrats.
It's the libtard right.
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keep in mind if the Reps were actually concerned about voter fraud and not suppressing votes, they would have started this in 2010 with a clear and concise plan instead of a ramshackle hodgepodge of acts they knew would be mired in court proceedings. Say in 2010, we are targeting the 2016 election, you need 1 DL or national voter card. Here are the places you can get them for free with x/y/z documents. Instead Kobach and his ilk have designed these laws with such abandon they knew it would be challenged from all normal parts of society.
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keep in mind if the Reps were actually concerned about voter fraud and not suppressing votes, they would have started this in 2010 with a clear and concise plan instead of a ramshackle hodgepodge of acts they knew would be mired in court proceedings. Say in 2010, we are targeting the 2016 election, you need 1 DL or national voter card. Here are the places you can get them for free with x/y/z documents. Instead Kobach and his ilk have designed these laws with such abandon they knew it would be challenged from all normal parts of society.
Well the effort has been hodge-podge because states are in control of their own elections.
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keep in mind if the Reps were actually concerned about voter fraud and not suppressing votes, they would have started this in 2010 with a clear and concise plan instead of a ramshackle hodgepodge of acts they knew would be mired in court proceedings. Say in 2010, we are targeting the 2016 election, you need 1 DL or national voter card. Here are the places you can get them for free with x/y/z documents. Instead Kobach and his ilk have designed these laws with such abandon they knew it would be challenged from all normal parts of society.
Well the effort has been hodge-podge because states are in control of their own elections.
Well no, the effort has been a hodgepodge because you have radicals making crap up as the go along, changing the laws mid elections. See Wisconsin and their total inability to run a fair election. I mean changing the voter ID requirements after ballots have gone out? Not knowing whether ballots would be legit after people have already voted? GMAFB. you want elections like that move to some failed state and keep that Kobach crap out of America.
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We must stop voter fraud! Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!
NEVER A SINGLE CASE :lol:
How many has Kobach found?
bingo
We have voter id laws, retards.
WTF is wrong with the radical right and reading comprehension? All over the place with inventing "facts." No interconnecting logic in any of your posting. Just WTF. Go back and read the posts. Go back and read the facts that Kobach has admitted to.
You are a crazy person
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
Libtardedness transcends rational thought. Hence the name.
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
how many republican judges in texas have to be denied the right to vote before we reconsider how we make these laws?
Still love that you guys cant have an honest discussion about these laws and resort to making crap up about the other side and argue against that position.
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Moved and got married; updating my registration was a PITA.
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having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification. registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.
Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved. I also like the purple thumb dye thing they do in other countries.
The best idea I've heard is that filing a tax return should be your registration to vote.
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having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification. registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.
Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved. I also like the purple thumb dye thing they do in other countries.
The best idea I've heard is that filing a tax return should be your registration to vote.
Consider and debate!
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I like how everyone's idea is always just "let the feds take over". Kansas should be able to straighten this out without federal voter IDs. Its ok that states aren't all exactly the same.
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Just as long as we can make sure Sharia Law is kept out of it, I am fine with KS taking this on.
In case you haven't noticed, and the Royals have been kicking ass so you have a perfectly good reason for having been busy, but KS is nothing more than political circus. I am not a Fed fan, but KS handling anything well right now seems far fetched.
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I mean, yeah there should be some level of ID required, but not like tons. Bam problem solved.
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
how many republican judges in texas have to be denied the right to vote before we reconsider how we make these laws?
Still love that you guys cant have an honest discussion about these laws and resort to making crap up about the other side and argue against that position.
And then "no evidence of wide spread voter fraud" became "there has never been voter fraud" became "you're a racist." In response to presenting a photo ID to vote.
You're either crazy, cheating or both.
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Just as long as we can make sure Sharia Law is kept out of it, I am fine with KS taking this on.
In case you haven't noticed, and the Royals have been kicking ass so you have a perfectly good reason for having been busy, but KS is nothing more than political circus. I am not a Fed fan, but KS handling anything well right now seems far fetched.
Meh, the federal government is even more of an incompetent circus, so you don't really have a point.
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having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification. registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.
Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved. I also like the purple thumb dye thing they do in other countries.
The best idea I've heard is that filing a tax return should be your registration to vote.
What if you are not required to file a tax return?
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Would be a practical way in addition to what is currently offered
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I guess I just don't understand how all of these illegal immigrants get the social security card, etc necessary to register to vote, but can't just use that stuff to get a photo ID. It seems like somebody who really wanted to commit voter fraud should probably be willing to put a minimal amount of effort into it.
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
how many republican judges in texas have to be denied the right to vote before we reconsider how we make these laws?
Still love that you guys cant have an honest discussion about these laws and resort to making crap up about the other side and argue against that position.
And then "no evidence of wide spread voter fraud" became "there has never been voter fraud" became "you're a racist." In response to presenting a photo ID to vote.
You're either crazy, cheating or both.
Yes I do believe your side is extremely rough ridin' racist. See all the talk about the Dems "breeding" their voting pool, which has been used here. That is grounded in very specific racist language. See your side planting billboards in minority communities about voter fraud and the fear mongering of federal jail time. The fact is, which you people never want to engage are 1) none of the voter fraud issues which have occurred would be prevented by Kobach's laws. 2) You are targeting minority communities with propaganda and fear mongering tactics to suppress their vote. 3) If you were serious about combating any potential voter fraud your side would make voter IDs simple and easy to get. Instead we have constructed an unconstitutional system which hearkens back to Jim Crow, designed to suppress legitimate voter turnout instead of preventing this mythical illegitimate voter fraud.
No I know you will not engage in any points of facts I've posted. Instead you will dodge the point by attempting to say I'm playing a race card, when in fact you fail to realize that your party of hate mongers have already sprayed the entire deck of race cards before I've been dealt a hand. I challenge you to stay on record and find a) the massive numbers of voter fraud which would be prevented by Kobach's plans. b) I'd like to see you personally reject the racist remarks from your radical right brethren.
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chillax ednksu
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
how many republican judges in texas have to be denied the right to vote before we reconsider how we make these laws?
Still love that you guys cant have an honest discussion about these laws and resort to making crap up about the other side and argue against that position.
And then "no evidence of wide spread voter fraud" became "there has never been voter fraud" became "you're a racist." In response to presenting a photo ID to vote.
You're either crazy, cheating or both.
Yes I do believe your side is extremely rough ridin' racist. See all the talk about the Dems "breeding" their voting pool, which has been used here. That is grounded in very specific racist language. See your side planting billboards in minority communities about voter fraud and the fear mongering of federal jail time. The fact is, which you people never want to engage are 1) none of the voter fraud issues which have occurred would be prevented by Kobach's laws. 2) You are targeting minority communities with propaganda and fear mongering tactics to suppress their vote. 3) If you were serious about combating any potential voter fraud your side would make voter IDs simple and easy to get. Instead we have constructed an unconstitutional system which hearkens back to Jim Crow, designed to suppress legitimate voter turnout instead of preventing this mythical illegitimate voter fraud.
No I know you will not engage in any points of facts I've posted. Instead you will dodge the point by attempting to say I'm playing a race card, when in fact you fail to realize that your party of hate mongers have already sprayed the entire deck of race cards before I've been dealt a hand. I challenge you to stay on record and find a) the massive numbers of voter fraud which would be prevented by Kobach's plans. b) I'd like to see you personally reject the racist remarks from your radical right brethren.
Lunacy in 400 words
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The best idea I've heard is that filing a tax return should be your registration to vote.
national voter id cards is a much better idea and you just read about it here in this thread. so you're lying.
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Moved and got married; updating my registration was a PITA.
A financial company vetted me and gave me hundred's of thousands to buy a home, and it was less of a pain in the ass to get a mortgage than it was to move 30 miles across the damn state line and get a driver's license.
I mean, Jesus Christ. It's an effing sham.
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How rough ridin' batshit, off the reservation, nuts do you have to be to think showing an ID is unreasonable or unduly burdensome? The kind of person who toils with paranoia, and sweats bullets every time they drive or buys a ticket to an R movie?
how many republican judges in texas have to be denied the right to vote before we reconsider how we make these laws?
Still love that you guys cant have an honest discussion about these laws and resort to making crap up about the other side and argue against that position.
And then "no evidence of wide spread voter fraud" became "there has never been voter fraud" became "you're a racist." In response to presenting a photo ID to vote.
You're either crazy, cheating or both.
Yes I do believe your side is extremely rough ridin' racist. See all the talk about the Dems "breeding" their voting pool, which has been used here. That is grounded in very specific racist language. See your side planting billboards in minority communities about voter fraud and the fear mongering of federal jail time. The fact is, which you people never want to engage are 1) none of the voter fraud issues which have occurred would be prevented by Kobach's laws. 2) You are targeting minority communities with propaganda and fear mongering tactics to suppress their vote. 3) If you were serious about combating any potential voter fraud your side would make voter IDs simple and easy to get. Instead we have constructed an unconstitutional system which hearkens back to Jim Crow, designed to suppress legitimate voter turnout instead of preventing this mythical illegitimate voter fraud.
No I know you will not engage in any points of facts I've posted. Instead you will dodge the point by attempting to say I'm playing a race card, when in fact you fail to realize that your party of hate mongers have already sprayed the entire deck of race cards before I've been dealt a hand. I challenge you to stay on record and find a) the massive numbers of voter fraud which would be prevented by Kobach's plans. b) I'd like to see you personally reject the racist remarks from your radical right brethren.
Lunacy in 400 words
couldn't even reject the racist remarks from your radical right brethren.
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Guys, Kobach's own radio ad said that he thinks voting should be easy. :dunno:
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The best idea I've heard is that filing a tax return should be your registration to vote.
national voter id cards is a much better idea and you just read about it here in this thread. so you're lying.
i may be wrong, but i certainly am not lying.
national voter id cards? who is going to issue these? a new federal institution? the IRS and every single state already has a system in place to collect and processes information from every single american every year.
What about people who arent required to file taxes? Then they probably have a really easy tax return that is no more difficult than figuring out how to register to vote. If you want to vote, then you have to file a tax return.
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Moved and got married; updating my registration was a PITA.
A financial company vetted me and gave me hundred's of thousands to buy a home, and it was less of a pain in the ass to get a mortgage than it was to move 30 miles across the damn state line and get a driver's license.
I mean, Jesus Christ. It's an effing sham.
An example of private sector versus government efficiency? Not that the government isn't trying to sink its claws deeper into mortgage underwriting, too.
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So requiring an ID to vote is hater mongering? Then what's voter registration akin to?
who said that? I know I have no problem with it being done logically.
Once again, will you reject the racist language of the radical right or continue to deflect? None of you Kobach supporters will it seems.
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Just as long as we can make sure Sharia Law is kept out of it, I am fine with KS taking this on.
In case you haven't noticed, and the Royals have been kicking ass so you have a perfectly good reason for having been busy, but KS is nothing more than political circus. I am not a Fed fan, but KS handling anything well right now seems far fetched.
They used to make fun of the Sharia law thing in the UK, too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html)
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Just as long as we can make sure Sharia Law is kept out of it, I am fine with KS taking this on.
In case you haven't noticed, and the Royals have been kicking ass so you have a perfectly good reason for having been busy, but KS is nothing more than political circus. I am not a Fed fan, but KS handling anything well right now seems far fetched.
They used to make fun of the Sharia law thing in the UK, too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html)
Can't you write a will in America that cuts some family members out?
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Just as long as we can make sure Sharia Law is kept out of it, I am fine with KS taking this on.
In case you haven't noticed, and the Royals have been kicking ass so you have a perfectly good reason for having been busy, but KS is nothing more than political circus. I am not a Fed fan, but KS handling anything well right now seems far fetched.
They used to make fun of the Sharia law thing in the UK, too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html)
Thank god that we Kansans are protected from the will of some super fundamentalist religious group setting new rules.
Also, ppl have been doing stupid crap in wills for the history of wills. How many cats are millionaires right now? More than one, I am willing to bet.
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requiring it is fine if you are also going to provide it.
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So requiring an ID to vote is hater mongering? Then what's voter registration akin to?
who said that? I know I have no problem with it being done logically.
Once again, will you reject the racist language of the radical right or continue to deflect? None of you Kobach supporters will it seems.
Me? Radical right? Kobach supporter? :lol:
Radical Right: Anyone who disagrees with anything a progressive leftest wants.
If everyone would just get out of the way and let the man do what ever he wants right Gwyneth?
So you don't support KS's or WI's plans for voter IDs?
Why wont you reject the racist language of the radical right? Why wont you commit to not using horrible language of oppression?
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So requiring an ID to vote is hater mongering? Then what's voter registration akin to?
who said that? I know I have no problem with it being done logically.
Once again, will you reject the racist language of the radical right or continue to deflect? None of you Kobach supporters will it seems.
Me? Radical right? Kobach supporter? :lol:
Radical Right: Anyone who disagrees with anything a progressive leftest wants.
If everyone would just get out of the way and let the man do what ever he wants right Gwyneth?
So you don't support KS's or WI's plans for voter IDs?
Why wont you reject the racist language of the radical right? Why wont you commit to not using horrible language of oppression?
Fire up some quotes and I'll reject them for you.
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So requiring an ID to vote is hater mongering? Then what's voter registration akin to?
who said that? I know I have no problem with it being done logically.
Once again, will you reject the racist language of the radical right or continue to deflect? None of you Kobach supporters will it seems.
Me? Radical right? Kobach supporter? :lol:
Radical Right: Anyone who disagrees with anything a progressive leftest wants.
If everyone would just get out of the way and let the man do what ever he wants right Gwyneth?
So you don't support KS's or WI's plans for voter IDs?
Why wont you reject the racist language of the radical right? Why wont you commit to not using horrible language of oppression?
Fire up some quotes and I'll reject them for you.
Anytime anyone refers to the Dems/libs "breeding" a voting pool.
Anytime anyone says the Dems/libs are working against voter ID simply to buy a group of voters because of their (voter's) racial identity.
Anytime anyone says voter IDs are easy and people are just being lazy.
Additionally rejecting anyone who says voter ID as currently implemented in KS would stop the voting fraud issues's we've had in KS or other states like WI.
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Most be hitting home with all this EDN outrage.
What language am I using besides saying there's a need for Voter ID.
You're also living in rough ridin la-la land if you don't think there's a political agenda behind immigration. In absolute denial.
Yet another deflection. I've given you examples that we've all seen from the radical right which none of you have chosen to reject. Why wont you reject racist language?
I've never said there isn't pandering to voting blocs. I've said you should, as an educated person, reject the racist language used to describe the growth and composition of these voting blocs. Its been posts now and you refuse to reject it and continue to deflect.
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So requiring an ID to vote is hater mongering? Then what's voter registration akin to?
who said that? I know I have no problem with it being done logically.
Once again, will you reject the racist language of the radical right or continue to deflect? None of you Kobach supporters will it seems.
Me? Radical right? Kobach supporter? :lol:
Radical Right: Anyone who disagrees with anything a progressive leftest wants.
If everyone would just get out of the way and let the man do what ever he wants right Gwyneth?
So you don't support KS's or WI's plans for voter IDs?
Why wont you reject the racist language of the radical right? Why wont you commit to not using horrible language of oppression?
Fire up some quotes and I'll reject them for you.
Anytime anyone refers to the Dems/libs "breeding" a voting pool.
Anytime anyone says the Dems/libs are working against voter ID simply to buy a group of voters because of their (voter's) racial identity.
Anytime anyone says voter IDs are easy and people are just being lazy.
Additionally rejecting anyone who says voter ID as currently implemented in KS would stop the voting fraud issues's we've had in KS or other states like WI.
I reject all 4 of those things.
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Why do you give the neocon voter id agenda of possibility suppressing libtard votes a pass?
Dax: political agendas are bad, unless it's a neocon agenda
Your hypocrisy is really just kind of........sad :frown:
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The best idea I've heard is that filing a tax return should be your registration to vote.
national voter id cards is a much better idea and you just read about it here in this thread. so you're lying.
i may be wrong, but i certainly am not lying.
national voter id cards? who is going to issue these? a new federal institution? the IRS and every single state already has a system in place to collect and processes information from every single american every year.
What about people who arent required to file taxes? Then they probably have a really easy tax return that is no more difficult than figuring out how to register to vote. If you want to vote, then you have to file a tax return.
hey, i've got an even better idea. we can use the numbers issued to us by our pension system as our de facto identification system since we're too paranoid and stupid to issue id cards. it'll be super secure because they're printed on thin cardboard and don't include a photo or really any other information about the number holder.
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Lol
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I'm fine with voter id's, but we both know that it's affect on illegal voting will be negligible. The neocons get raging boners for it because of the possibility of suppressing a non-negligible amount of libtard votes.
Neocons like you can't even be honest about why they are so gung-ho with voter id laws.
Sad
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Dax, there is no point talking to you if you can't even acknowledge the neocon agenda
Mods, please change dax's name to fatherofagendites
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Sounds like big gov cons want to borrow another 4 billion dollars to create the Federal National Voter Identification Card Administration. I think newly jobless Holder would made a great Czar for this.
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Sounds like big gov cons want to borrow another 4 billion dollars to create the Federal National Voter Identification Card Administration. I think newly jobless Holder would made a great Czar for this.
Neocons could hand out 200 million cards for about a quarter of that price through the IRS. Typical lib.
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I'm fine with voter id's, but we both know that it's affect on illegal voting will be negligible. The neocons get raging boners for it because of the possibility of suppressing a non-negligible amount of libtard votes.
Neocons like you can't even be honest about why they are so gung-ho with voter id laws.
Sad
Who is gung-ho? Progressive Libots such as yourself get all worked up about it. Not because you actually think that it's going to suppress legal voters, it's because you know it's going to suppress illegal voting in targeted areas where Dems flourish.
Remember, many famous Democrats have thrived in areas where it was highly likely voter fraud or strong arm voting tactics were employed. Harry Truman pretty much owed his entire political career to the Pendergast machine, kingpins of voting fraud. There's also voting fraud surrounding both JFK and LBJ's rise to power as well. (I won't even get into the fact that Brown and Root which later became part of Haliburton owned LBJ).
The whole strawman of "widespread voter fraud" that Libots like to toss around is a joke. All it takes is targeted, selected voter fraud to swing elections, even national elections.
You keep circling back to this crap without documented proof. The laws that Kobach wants would in no way shape or form stop voter fraud which is occurring. You keep ducking that point. The fact is voter ID doesn't solve any of the documented cases of fraud (which have had no bearing on elections mind you).
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Based on how violently many progressive libs oppose voter ID and immediately label anyone espousing the need and virtues of voter ID's as racist, how can anyone not a least have the thoughts of a purposeful initiative to create a voting pool?
Any thinking person is at minimum going to have to entertain those thoughts based almost solely on the vitriol that rolls off the tongues of progressive libs at the mere hint of Voter ID.
This notion that many progressive libs toss around or at list strongly hint about . . . that certain groups of individuals aren't really capable of obtaining an ID, or somehow lack the mental wherewithal to obtain one . . . how is that not racist in and of itself?
you can't turn the racist talking point back on itself just by saying no it doesn't happen or dems said it first. The fact is the radical right is using specific racist language, which I've noted multiple times in the last few posts, targeting very specific groups.
Additionally, almost no one opposes voter ID. They oppose the way Kobach and his radical right ilk are trying to do it in order to suppress voter turnout. Like I said earlier, if you really cared about this, it would be a unified system, standards, and accessibility for types and sources of IDs. You'd give a reasonable amount of time to get these IDs instead of rushing it through.
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Not everyone lives in Kansas EDN.
do you seriously not know what a national figure Kobach is for voter ID/radical right? No goemawing, seriously look up how much of an impact he has.
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Plus, the point can be turned back, repeatedly. Because of the many absurd strawman that prolibtards have floated as to why ID's for voting aren't needed, oppressive etc. etc. The hinting about certain groups lacking the will and the means to get them has been right at the top.
[/quote]What are you talking about hinting? Its a well know fact that certain sectors of the American population don't have the necessary documents to vote. Its not a debatable issue. The issue comes when excuses are made for why it should be okay to require that ID because everyone should have those docs. The issue comes when its a known issue and we rush it thought without a logical timeline. Its an issue when people in disadvantaged SESs don't have access to these docs because of systematic issues. Its an issue when the radical right puts bill boards in minority neighborhoods threatening stiff penalties in order to suppress turnout.
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If I have a voter ID card, do I still have to register to vote constantly?
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If I have a voter ID card, do I still have to register to vote constantly?
Every time you move.
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FYI, when you think presenting an idea is unreasonable because neocon agenda and/or racism, it's time to start eating glue and screaming profanity at the sun, because you are a rough ridin' lunatic.
It's just sad and pathetic that so many stupid people are made to believe this crap.
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FYI, when you think presenting an idea is unreasonable because neocon agenda and/or racism, it's time to start eating glue and screaming profanity at the sun, because you are a rough ridin' lunatic.
It's just sad and pathetic that so many stupid people are made to believe this crap.
I really think its great that you think that Kobach isn't doing this to disenfranchise people. So many times he has been given an out to enact meaningful reforms to prevent a mythical problem, and he chose over and over again to keep this issue about partisan politics.
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FYI, when you think presenting an idea is unreasonable because neocon agenda and/or racism, it's time to start eating glue and screaming profanity at the sun, because you are a rough ridin' lunatic.
It's just sad and pathetic that so many stupid people are made to believe this crap.
I really think its great that you think that Kobach isn't doing this to disenfranchise people. So many times he has been given an out to enact meaningful reforms to prevent a mythical problem, and he chose over and over again to keep this issue about partisan politics.
I think it's "great" that you think possessing identification is disenfranchising. It also "great" that you use this contrived disenfranchising effect to complain about Kobach solving problems you personally believe don't exist.
You're your own version of Kobach.
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FYI, when you think presenting an idea is unreasonable because neocon agenda and/or racism, it's time to start eating glue and screaming profanity at the sun, because you are a rough ridin' lunatic.
It's just sad and pathetic that so many stupid people are made to believe this crap.
I really think its great that you think that Kobach isn't doing this to disenfranchise people. So many times he has been given an out to enact meaningful reforms to prevent a mythical problem, and he chose over and over again to keep this issue about partisan politics.
I think it's "great" that you think possessing identification is disenfranchising. It also "great" that you use this contrived disenfranchising effect to complain about Kobach solving problems you personally believe don't exist.
You're your own version of Kobach
I'm going exactly by what Kobach's own investigations have found in multiple states you dunce.
Facts > your opinions.
And Dax that is why it is mythical, because they hype machine has manufactured this massive voter fraud where NONE exists. Its not a matter of whether or not there is fraud. One side is making an affirmative claim which is absolutely incorrect. And the amount of time you people defend his illegitimate attempts to prevent voting shows that you are partisan warriors who don't want to come up with a meaningful solution to the potential issue, and would rather entrench in your misguided rhetoric.
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I'm not going to continue explaining to you why you're entire point of view on this subject is ludicrous.
You've gone to great lengths to convince yourself of many things that are not relevant to the discussion, nor prerequisites to employing perfunctory and common sense measures to mitigate against voter fraud.
The government places bumpy composite on the sidewalk at every intersection so blind people don't walk into traffic, even though there isn't evidence of wide spread blind people car collisions. According to your perverse logic, this is a wasteful measure because there's inadequate evidence that blind people are walking out in front of moving cars and therefore the inexpensive mitigating measure is nothing more than subterfuge to maliciously inhibit bikers, wheelchair using people and roller bladers.
SHUT THE eff UP YOU GODDAMN MORON
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I'm not going to continue explaining to you why you're entire point of view on this subject is ludicrous.
You've gone to great lengths to convince yourself of many things that are not relevant to the discussion, nor prerequisites to employing perfunctory and common sense measures to mitigate against voter fraud.
The government places bumpy composite on the sidewalk at every intersection so blind people don't walk into traffic, even though there isn't evidence of wide spread blind people car collisions. According to your perverse logic, this is a wasteful measure because there's inadequate evidence that blind people are walking out in front of moving cars and therefore the inexpensive mitigating measure is nothing more than subterfuge to maliciously inhibit bikers, wheelchair using people and roller bladers.
SHUT THE eff UP YOU GODDAMN MORON
Ummmmm let me soak up your anger.
Look its fake and KSUW posting together like BFFs
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Show me where we rushed to install these curb side rumble strips against public opposition?
Also its a really rough ridin' stupid comparison since there is no constitutional right to fancy curbs which your side has been working hard since Jim Crow to roll back. The reality in America is that your side had an out, a way to put reforms in place, but chose to work in favor of stealing rights from segments of society. If this was a serious issue we would work to employ a plan which judges wouldn't strike down with comparisons to poll taxes. If we were serious about this problem we would make this an endeavor where people could easily get these IDs.
But your side isn't serious about securing our right to vote. Your side isn't serious about preventing voter fraud. Instead you want to steal the right to vote from another generation of Americans who you fear will vote for your rivals.
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You are the extreme minority and your nonsensical rhetoric is persuading no one.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/206300-poll-70-percent-support-voter-id-laws
Stating proof of identity to vote is stealing rights puts you in the Unibomber realm of fringe.
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You are the extreme minority and your nonsensical rhetoric is persuading no one.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/206300-poll-70-percent-support-voter-id-laws
Stating proof of identity to vote is stealing rights puts you in the Unibomber realm of fringe.
Hey dumbass, I have zero issue with voter ID on principle you keep making up crap in order to joust against Don Quixote. If I have to ID for buying a gun I have no issue with it to vote. I have a problem with people like you using it as a weapon to steal the vote.
Argue against what I'm saying, not what you're constructing. I've been very generous with my time with you idiots who can't even be courteous enough to read my posts and respond to my arguments.
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I'm all of the sudden not so sure I'm not being trolled. :frown:
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I'm all of the sudden not so sure I'm not being trolled. :frown:
I'm sorry you have trouble reading :zzz:
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I support voter ID laws in principle.
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Voter ID laws are unconstitutional and akin to Jim Crow laws
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I'm all of the sudden not so sure I'm not being trolled. :frown:
I'm sorry you have trouble reading :zzz:
That's not the problem here
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Voter ID laws are unconstitutional and akin to Jim Crow laws
yeah not what my argument has been for pages, but thanks for making crap up again.
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Voter ID laws are unconstitutional and akin to Jim Crow laws
yeah not what my argument has been for pages, but thanks for making crap up again.
Haven't made that argument for PAGES
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I support voter ID in principle, but the other side supports it to rig elections. Cause racism.
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I support voter ID in principle, but the other side supports it to rig elections. Cause racism.
I haven't said that in over 8 hours, you blatant liar.
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Voter fraud? Three words: Senator Al Franken. Coleman originally won by a scant 200 votes, but a recount flipped the script, giving Franken an equally miniscule lead. And, oddly, a number of heavily Democrat precints recorded greater than 100% turnout. Hmmm....
Elections have consequences. Stealing elections also have consequences. Stuart Smalley's election temporarily gave the Democrats a veto-proof majority and helped usher in such turd legislation as Obamacare.
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This man is a U.S. Senator
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what about this one?
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what about this one?
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Not sure what that has to do with voter fraud. But anyway, it's kinda funny when moderates like O'Conner and Kennedy are considered "right wing" with some sort of partisan bent just because they were Republican appointees. So was Souter for crying out loud.
Florida newspapers continued the recount after the SC's decision, and found that Bush actually increased his lead. Gore did not win Florida, and it wouldn't have even mattered if he had managed to carry his own home state. But again, what's this have to do with voter fraud?
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what about this one?
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Not sure what that has to do with voter fraud. But anyway, it's kinda funny when moderates like O'Conner and Kennedy are considered "right wing" with some sort of partisan bent just because they were Republican appointees. So was Souter for crying out loud.
Florida newspapers continued the recount after the SC's decision, and found that Bush actually increased his lead. Gore did not win Florida, and it wouldn't have even mattered if he had managed to carry his own home state. But again, what's this have to do with voter fraud?
about as much as Al Franken's 2008 election has to do with voter iD.
What you're doing now is conflating an entirely separate issue of "fraud" which almost exclusively occurs with the people or organizations tasked with receiving, counting, overseeing, reporting, i.e. "processing" votes and the alleged issue of "voter ID" which is done on an individual or supposed small group level at the the ballot box.
Stricter voter ID requirements are not a rational solution for anyone who's legitimately concerned about election fraud
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edn the only person flinging partisan rhetoric all over the walls is you.
Again, you keep flinging out "mythical problem" and I keep pointing the factual reality that clearly says numerous times over that there have been Presidents of this country who rose to that seat of power on the back of voter fraud.
Why cant any of you 3 pay attention to my points. All of you are inventing windmills. I mean this isnt even fun anymore.
The issue us what potential fraud could be prevented with these laws. The fact is these laws do more to keep more legit people out of the voting booth than illegit people. Go back and read my posts. Im not against vpter id. In against Kobach planned id laws which steal votes.
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what about this one?
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Not sure what that has to do with voter fraud. But anyway, it's kinda funny when moderates like O'Conner and Kennedy are considered "right wing" with some sort of partisan bent just because they were Republican appointees. So was Souter for crying out loud.
Florida newspapers continued the recount after the SC's decision, and found that Bush actually increased his lead. Gore did not win Florida, and it wouldn't have even mattered if he had managed to carry his own home state. But again, what's this have to do with voter fraud?
about as much as Al Franken's 2008 election has to do with voter iD.
What you're doing now is conflating an entirely separate issue of "fraud" which almost exclusively occurs with the people or organizations tasked with receiving, counting, overseeing, reporting, i.e. "processing" votes and the alleged issue of "voter ID" which is done on an individual or supposed small group level at the the ballot box.
Stricter voter ID requirements are not a rational solution for anyone who's legitimately concerned about election fraud
Nothing says conflating an issue like a graphic [incorrectly] depicting the popular vote as compared to a supreme court case that said Florida gets to choose who their electoral votes go to.
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I'm all for Voter ID, but I'm going to then claim that voter fraud is a myth and then use the actions of a few to try and convince you that we don't need them, while then saying, again, that I am for them.
Check-Got it. Thanks edn
As Edna has explained quite clearly, she can support voter ID because her intentions are pure, whereas everyone on the right just wants to disenfranchise minorities.
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So it really isn't a big deal to hand out massive numbers of ID cards (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html).
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So it really isn't a big deal to hand out massive numbers of ID cards (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html).
Disparate impact on minorities tho
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So it really isn't a big deal to hand out massive numbers of ID cards (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html).
lol you don't know who can vote
double lols
Breitbart.com first reported on the planned solicitation.
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So it really isn't a big deal to hand out massive numbers of ID cards (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html).
Of course, these wouldn't count as voter IDs. But this news story raises another interesting question - could this story be just another clever ruse by the Obama admin? Issue the RFP as a subtle wink to the immigration activists and liberal base that the floodgates will open after the election in an effort to shore up midterm turnout? I think it might be, because any sweeping executive "amnesty" would further damage the President's approval and the Democrat Party heading into 2016. As much as I think Obama would really like to eff over the Clintons, his signature legislative achievement - Obamacare - is in significant danger if the Dems don't win the 2016 elections. I think this whole executive amnesty talk is a bluff.
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So it really isn't a big deal to hand out massive numbers of ID cards (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html).
Of course, these wouldn't count as voter IDs. But this news story raises another interesting question - could this story be just another clever ruse by the Obama admin? Issue the RFP as a subtle wink to the immigration activists and liberal base that the floodgates will open after the election in an effort to shore up midterm turnout? I think it might be, because any sweeping executive "amnesty" would further damage the President's approval and the Democrat Party heading into 2016. As much as I think Obama would really like to eff over the Clintons, his signature legislative achievement - Obamacare - is in significant danger if the Dems don't win the 2016 elections. I think this whole executive amnesty talk is a bluff.
You know that "amnesty for illegals" doesn't give them immediate citizenship and the right to vote, right?
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So it really isn't a big deal to hand out massive numbers of ID cards (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html).
Of course, these wouldn't count as voter IDs. But this news story raises another interesting question - could this story be just another clever ruse by the Obama admin? Issue the RFP as a subtle wink to the immigration activists and liberal base that the floodgates will open after the election in an effort to shore up midterm turnout? I think it might be, because any sweeping executive "amnesty" would further damage the President's approval and the Democrat Party heading into 2016. As much as I think Obama would really like to eff over the Clintons, his signature legislative achievement - Obamacare - is in significant danger if the Dems don't win the 2016 elections. I think this whole executive amnesty talk is a bluff.
You know that "amnesty for illegals" doesn't give them immediate citizenship and the right to vote, right?
Yes, I do know that. Why do you ask?
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/go-f___-yourself-gringo-says-liberal-stuffing-hundreds-of-ballots/ (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/go-f___-yourself-gringo-says-liberal-stuffing-hundreds-of-ballots/)
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File under "what liberals really think of blacks": http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/20/Justice-Department-Expert-Witness-Blacks-less-sophisticated (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/20/Justice-Department-Expert-Witness-Blacks-less-sophisticated)
Charles Stewart, a political scientist was retained by the Justice Department to testify against voter identification laws and other election integrity measures. His testimony argued that ending same day voter registration and requiring voters to vote in the precinct where they live constitutes racial discrimination.
When asked if terminating the ability to register to vote on the day that someone casts a ballot impacts blacks disproportionately, Stewart testified in court that it did. Stewart:
It's also the case that -- well, yes, so it would, empirically more likely affect African Americans. Also, understanding within political science, that people who register to vote the closer and closer one gets to Election Day tend to be less sophisticated voters, tend to be less educated voters, tend to be voters who are less attuned to public affairs. That also tells me from the literature of political science that there are likely to be people who will end up not registering and not voting. People who correspond to those factors tend to be African Americans, and, therefore, that's another vehicle through which African Americans would be disproportionately affected by this law.
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Libs love to put individuals in neat little boxes based on skin color and race so they can pick them off the shelf when they have a need.
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Libs love to put individuals in neat little boxes based on skin color and race so they can pick them off the shelf when they have a need.
Sadly, it's just not that easy to "pick them up off the shelf" to go vote. According to Obama, you first have to convince the Cousin Pookies to set down their crack pipes.
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You are genuinely a gigantic piece of crap
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You are genuinely a gigantic piece of crap
I'm just using the President's own representation of Democrat voters. If you've got a problem, take it up with him.
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/go-f___-yourself-gringo-says-liberal-stuffing-hundreds-of-ballots/ (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/go-f___-yourself-gringo-says-liberal-stuffing-hundreds-of-ballots/)
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Pete Hyacinth
2 days ago
We need the name for the perp.
We have a good picture of him. someone knows him.
With facial recognition software he could be found, if all his cohorts in crime are silent.
Deploy enough cameras back up by facial recognition software and this guy will not even be able to shop at Walmart.
Hey cars have dash cams for insurance purposes. if they were connected of periodically downloaded, you could do what the government does or refuses to do.
Pete is the best
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Give them a new Obama phone and they will vote. Voter apathy is a bigger hurdle to overcome. I am not real fond of having to show an ID, but its the law --so live with it.
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To get a drivers license / ID in Illinois, my passport, KS drivers license, 2 bills showing Chicago address, pay stub, and most recent two years w-2's showing SS# were not enough. Since I didn't have my original social security card, they turned me away. They are only open M-F 8-5. I can see how obtaining an ID could be difficult for people without flexible jobs.
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But shouldn't they want their (poor, disenfranchised) base to have easier access to valid ID and all that?
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Or maybe they are trying to make it more difficult for people with jobs (conservatives) to get IDs? Just spitballing here...
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Writing these from the social security office, where I've been for over an hour.
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I dunno, but I'd agree that this sounds like more of a problem cause by a bloated, unwieldy, and nonsensical liberal bureaucracy than an attempt discriminate against minorities. Maybe try pretending that you only speak spanish and see if that helps? Also, does IL require an ID to vote?
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I dunno, but I'd agree that this sounds like more of a problem cause by a bloated, unwieldy, and nonsensical liberal bureaucracy than an attempt discriminate against minorities. Maybe try pretending that you only speak spanish and see if that helps? Also, does IL require an ID to vote?
All I know is it sucks and is a pain in the ass. Is it too late to get an absentee ballot for Kansas? Maybe I'll just vote there. Not sure on Illinois voter ID, but I doubt it.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/)
Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be inconsequential, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to democracy itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.
In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.
Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
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We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.
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A lot of assumption in that
That last sentence is pretty :lol: tho
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A lot of assumption in that
That last sentence is pretty :lol: tho
Voter ID is not geared at stopping illegal aliens from voting - it is aimed at stopping people from casting votes for other registered voters. You register first, then you have to prove you are the registered voter you say you are at the polls. Obviously, it appears we also have a problem with registering illegal voters...
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I would agree those are all problems
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhjq6y1frPQ
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That was a lot of effort to perpetuate a myth. These are the people that should be finding the loch Ness monster and bigfoot
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I thought we've made it abundantly clear that "voter fraud is a myth" is a myth, a tag line pushed by people who were cheating and wanted to continue cheating.
Do people still deny that voter fraud exists? I thought the debate was about what level of fraud is tolerable (none imho)?
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Another case of confirmed voter fraud in NM. Could have been prevented by voter ID. Who can say how many illegal votes aren't being caught?
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml#.VFaqjXi9LTp (http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml#.VFaqjXi9LTp)
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And more of the same (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2818443/James-O-Keefe-s-video-shows-North-Carolina-poll-workers-offering-ballots.html)
North Carolina election officials repeatedly offered ballots last week to an impostor who arrived at polling places with the names and addresses of 'inactive' voters who hadn't participated in elections for many years.
No fraudulent votes were actually cast: It was the latest undercover video sting from conservative activist James O'Keefe, whose filmmaking résumé reads like a target list of liberal causes.
He famously shuttered ACORN, the community organizing outfit once linked to Barack Obama. He dressed in an Osama bin Laden costume and waded across the Rio Grande from Mexico to America as a show of disdain for U.S. border policy. He videotaped people admitting they sold taxpayer-provided cellphones for drugs, shoes, handbags and spending cash.
Now O'Keefe has strolled into more than 20 voting precincts in Raleigh, Durham and Greensboro, N.C., proffering the names of people who seldom vote in order to test the integrity of the election process. It seems to have failed on a massive scale.
'I just sign this and then I can vote?' he asked one poll worker. 'Yep,' came the reply.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2818443/James-O-Keefe-s-video-shows-North-Carolina-poll-workers-offering-ballots.html#ixzz3I2gsrWlU
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How is O'Keefe not in jail?
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How is O'Keefe not in jail?
He didn't actually vote, unlike the others.
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How is O'Keefe not in jail?
He didn't actually vote, unlike the others.
He collected the ballots, though. What if those inactive voters were to actually show up for that election?
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I was not in the system despite voting for the last several years. I had to fill out a provisional ballot. Also, there were no doughnuts. Being disenfranchised really sucks guys.
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how many provisional ballots did you fill out? like twenty? :pray:
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I was not in the system despite voting for the last several years. I had to fill out a provisional ballot. Also, there were no doughnuts. Being disenfranchised really sucks guys.
Sounds like voter fraud to me. I would tell Kobach about it.
http://www.kssos.org/elections/voterfraud/default.aspx
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I was not in the system despite voting for the last several years. I had to fill out a provisional ballot. Also, there were no doughnuts. Being disenfranchised really sucks guys.
CNSDad had same experience. Has lived and voted from his current address for just short of a decade. Was in the system for the primaries, but not today's general election.
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hmmmm...sounds like something fishy is going on.
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apparently lots of polling places in the capitol city (of KS) -more dem leaning than most areas of KS, are experiencing long waits and problems with electronic voting systems.
fishy?
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apparently lots of polling places in the capitol city (of KS) -more dem leaning than most areas of KS, are experiencing long waits and problems with electronic voting systems.
fishy?
It's Topeka. It takes a half hour to get a cheeseburger from McDonald's there. The average iq of the population is about 83, which explains why there are so many dems.
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apparently lots of polling places in the capitol city (of KS) -more dem leaning than most areas of KS, are experiencing long waits and problems with electronic voting systems.
fishy?
It's Topeka. It takes a half hour to get a cheeseburger from McDonald's there. The average iq of the population is about 83, which explains why there are so many dems.
Sick Burn Bro :gocho:
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apparently lots of polling places in the capitol city (of KS) -more dem leaning than most areas of KS, are experiencing long waits and problems with electronic voting systems.
fishy?
Probably having those same issues as Chicago where you vote for a republican and it switches to the democrat.
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Sounds like those problems might have more to do with Topeka just being a really terrible place to live. Topeka is kind of like a bigger version of Junction City, except it is inexplicably the state capital. Bodes poorly for the GOP if there's high turnout there.
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I had a problem-free voting experience, but it would have been kind of a pain to commit voter fraud, even though I didn't show ID. I had to give my address and name - if you're going to the trouble to supply someone with multiple addresses and names, I think your time is better spent getting the actual people out to vote.
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Topeka is fine you white trash western ks losers.
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Topeka is fine you white trash western ks losers.
K-S-U is from Johnson County. He probably lives next to Greg Orman.
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Topeka is fine you white trash western ks losers.
K-S-U is from Johnson County. He probably lives next to Greg Orman.
Not that wealthy. According to that Roberts ad, Greg Orman flies on private jets and works in New York City. New York City?! He's not very "Kansas."
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Topeka is fine you white trash western ks losers.
K-S-U is from Johnson County. He probably lives next to Greg Orman.
Not that wealthy. According to that Roberts ad, Greg Orman flies on private jets and works in New York City. New York City?! He's not very "Kansas."
Yes, but he lives in Johnson County. Johnson County?! You probably at least see him walking his dogs around every now and then. The fact is that you and Greg are "not one of us."
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This one's for MIR - what liberals really think about black people. https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE (https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE)
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This one's for MIR - what liberals really think about black people. https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE (https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE)
Sure makes you feel good that rich white college kids and academics are flying air cover for those downtrodden black people with no money, no Internet, no smartphones or data on the phones, no transportation and who are stuck living in extremely remote areas (probably on a plantation)
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Oh, forgot: Criminal rural poor black (probably living on a plantation)people with no cars or Internet who can't use computers or find the DMV.
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Post a picture of Michelle Obama on Facebook to see what conservatives really think about black people
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Be black and try to vote in north carolina to see what Republicans really think about black people
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Check ksuws post history to see what he really thinks about black people
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This one's for MIR - what liberals really think about black people. https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE (https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE)
Pretty unsurprising and ordinary subhuman behavior from the left/dems. It's hard to imagine blacks will stand for this crap much longer.
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Be black and try to vote in north carolina to see what Republicans really think about black people
^ Thinks black people cant vote if there's not a bus to take them to the polls after church.
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Disgusting mindset
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Disgusting mindset
Terrible, and lib is super pissed that it's being exposed.
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"Black communities need more polling places with longer hours because their too stupid to know how, when or where to vote."
-lib7
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
Absolutely livid that the plantation mentality permeates the entitled white lib ranks.
Just lashing out in rage at this juncture.
So, sad.
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one thing dax can still get viagra boners from is suppressing black voters. very proud of his state :thumbs:
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
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one thing dax can still get viagra boners from is suppressing black voters. very proud of his state :thumbs:
White Libs exposed as plantation masters treating blacks as idiots to stupid to take care of themselves, equals a complete lib meltdown.
Sad.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
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Or people just don't like pandering Hillary who just assumed she would win the state and who only campaigned in two cities in a swing state with 10 million people.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
Absolutely livid that the plantation mentality permeates the entitled white lib ranks.
Just lashing out in rage at this juncture.
So, sad.
It's really quite pathetic. Lots of denial, lashing out, and incorence.
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If only the polls in the several all black neighborhoods the dems stuck them in(similar to hitlers jewish ghettos) were open a few hours longer on Sunday. Then hillary might have only lost NC by 150,000 votes.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
I wasn't questioning what accomplished and what he didn't. We all know exactly why he is unpopular and why he wasn't reelected. He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot. What does it mean to a bar owner in Greensboro, a hotelier in downtown Charlotte, or a restaurant near the PNC Arena? Likely a whole hell of a lot.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
I wasn't questioning what accomplished and what he didn't. We all know exactly why he is unpopular and why he wasn't reelected. He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot. What does it mean to a bar owner in Greensboro, a hotelier in downtown Charlotte, or a restaurant near the PNC Arena? Likely a whole hell of a lot.
I didn't say it was perfect, and overall they're building hotels all over the place, 3 new high rise hotels my town in the last year, so, business is pretty good.
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I think he's talking about legislation prohibiting grown men from using the little girl's bathroom, an undoubtedly popular measure in NC, but which caused the nba all star game to move from charlotte.
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I think he's talking about legislation prohibiting grown men from using the little girl's bathroom, an undoubtedly popular measure in NC, but which caused the nba all star game to move from charlotte.
I know, the audacity of a state legislature to put rules in place so no one could just declare themselves gender conflicted and use whatever bathroom they wanted at places like K-12 public schools. Then again, it wasn't about rights it was about politics, and power, and nothing at all to do with doing the "right thing".
Oh well, I'm sure Roy Cooper will squander the surplus and the billion dollar plus "rainy day" fund in record time.
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I think he's talking about legislation prohibiting grown men from using the little girl's bathroom, an undoubtedly popular measure in NC, but which caused the nba all star game to move from charlotte.
I know, the audacity of a state legislature to put rules in place so no one could just declare themselves gender conflicted and use whatever bathroom they wanted at places like K-12 public schools. Then again, it wasn't about rights it was about politics, and power, and nothing at all to do with doing the "right thing".
Oh well, I'm sure Roy Cooper will squander the surplus and the billion dollar plus "rainy day" fund in record time.
you're correct, the nc transphobic law had nothing to do with any of that
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Please tell me "transphoebic" isn't actually a thing.
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Please tell me "transphoebic" isn't actually a thing.
A non-phoebic in a phoebic's body.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
I wasn't questioning what accomplished and what he didn't. We all know exactly why he is unpopular and why he wasn't reelected. He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot. What does it mean to a bar owner in Greensboro, a hotelier in downtown Charlotte, or a restaurant near the PNC Arena? Likely a whole hell of a lot.
I didn't say it was perfect, and overall they're building hotels all over the place, 3 new high rise hotels my town in the last year, so, business is pretty good.
One has nothing to do with the other, but of course you know that. The reflex to defend any and everything that has a R is too strong for you I guess, always defending.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2016/06/23/north-carolina-does-not-have-a-1-2-billion-revenue-surplus/
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2016/06/23/north-carolina-does-not-have-a-1-2-billion-revenue-surplus/
Oh yeah, the organization that was quietly pushing the protests of the quasi state agencies (many of which I am very familiar with) who were mad that their blank check gravy train ended, and that the administrators wouldn't be able to finance their E500's and Armani suits anymore.
Recognizing that the (D) leadership immediately raised taxes and fees on everything nearly the moment the recession hit because they knew they were headed to a financial cliff and we're going to blow past their budget to the tune of billions if they didn't. As it was, they left nearly a $3billion dollar tab to the Feds on the desk when they were voted out.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
I wasn't questioning what accomplished and what he didn't. We all know exactly why he is unpopular and why he wasn't reelected. He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot. What does it mean to a bar owner in Greensboro, a hotelier in downtown Charlotte, or a restaurant near the PNC Arena? Likely a whole hell of a lot.
I didn't say it was perfect, and overall they're building hotels all over the place, 3 new high rise hotels my town in the last year, so, business is pretty good.
One has nothing to do with the other, but of course you know that. The reflex to defend any and everything that has a R is too strong for you I guess, always defending.
You're trying to paint a gloomy financial forecast based on a singular policy, where one doesn't exist. So yeah, it has plenty to do with each other.
I don't say I agreed with everything, how many times do I have to say that? Hello!
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
I wasn't questioning what accomplished and what he didn't. We all know exactly why he is unpopular and why he wasn't reelected. He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot. What does it mean to a bar owner in Greensboro, a hotelier in downtown Charlotte, or a restaurant near the PNC Arena? Likely a whole hell of a lot.
I didn't say it was perfect, and overall they're building hotels all over the place, 3 new high rise hotels my town in the last year, so, business is pretty good.
One has nothing to do with the other, but of course you know that. The reflex to defend any and everything that has a R is too strong for you I guess, always defending.
You're trying to paint a gloomy financial forecast based on a singular policy, where one doesn't exist. So yeah, it has plenty to do with each other.
I don't say I agreed with everything, how many times do I have to say that? Hello!
Uh, I didn't do that at all, you mentioned the economy I didn't. I posted this
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
then you replied by talking about budget surpluses. I replied by saying this
He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot.
You got blinded by the slightest bit of republican criticism and started daxplaining against a stance I never took.
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In this thread we see known racists justifying the "surgical precision" of north carolina to suppress black voters
I think the GOP underwent a concerted effort to reduce the number of low information and low motivation people at the polls. I think you're the only one who associates that with "black people." Sad really.
they must have failed on that if trump won north carolina
NC elected a democrat governor despite Trump winning relatively easy. They just really really hated Hillary.
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
Got NC 2.7 billion dollars out of debt, and the state is running a budget surplus. $2 billion in new construction on UNC system campuses and the state is paying the whole thing while lowering taxes, highway and road construction everywhere.
Now we're headed back to a tax and spend Democrat who has spent 30 years shoving paper around on his desk.
I wasn't questioning what accomplished and what he didn't. We all know exactly why he is unpopular and why he wasn't reelected. He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot. What does it mean to a bar owner in Greensboro, a hotelier in downtown Charlotte, or a restaurant near the PNC Arena? Likely a whole hell of a lot.
I didn't say it was perfect, and overall they're building hotels all over the place, 3 new high rise hotels my town in the last year, so, business is pretty good.
One has nothing to do with the other, but of course you know that. The reflex to defend any and everything that has a R is too strong for you I guess, always defending.
You're trying to paint a gloomy financial forecast based on a singular policy, where one doesn't exist. So yeah, it has plenty to do with each other.
I don't say I agreed with everything, how many times do I have to say that? Hello!
Uh, I didn't do that at all, you mentioned the economy I didn't. I posted this
No they didn't elect a democrat governor, they fired McCrory. Pat McCrory is the most unpopular politician in america, even more so than Hillary and Donald.
then you replied by talking about budget surpluses. I replied by saying this
He embarrassed the state and has unnecessarily cost the tourism industry a great deal. What does that mean to the coffers of the state of North Carolina, probably not a lot.
You got blinded by the slightest bit of republican criticism and started daxplaining against a stance I never took.
". . . A great deal". Little news flash, the tourism industry is booming in NC. You don't even know what you post.
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I'm guessing the governor's loss has more to do with a 24/7 media barrage of the "state is bankrupt, we have to close schools, the roads are collapsing" type of crap we have in kansas than anyone actually gaf about transgender bathroom issues, as the libtards have portrayed it. They live in a constant state of delusion, so let them believe that.
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Media :curse:
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I'm guessing the governor's loss has more to do with a 24/7 media barrage of the "state is bankrupt, we have to close schools, the roads are collapsing" type of crap we have in kansas than anyone actually gaf about transgender bathroom issues, as the libtards have portrayed it. They live in a constant state of delusion, so let them believe that.
Only the opposite in terms of the bankruptcy, closing schools and roads collapsing.
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I'm guessing the governor's loss has more to do with a 24/7 media barrage of the "state is bankrupt, we have to close schools, the roads are collapsing" type of crap we have in kansas than anyone actually gaf about transgender bathroom issues, as the libtards have portrayed it. They live in a constant state of delusion, so let them believe that.
So that media couldn't convince the good people of North Carolina to vote for Hillary but they were successful in ousting the Republican governor?
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I'm guessing the governor's loss has more to do with a 24/7 media barrage of the "state is bankrupt, we have to close schools, the roads are collapsing" type of crap we have in kansas than anyone actually gaf about transgender bathroom issues, as the libtards have portrayed it. They live in a constant state of delusion, so let them believe that.
Only the opposite in terms of the bankruptcy, closing schools and roads collapsing.
Yeah, none of those things are happening here, but that doesn't mean people aren't convinced otherwise.
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Pat McCrory is a piece of crap and everything wrong with politics in America. It seems like him and his people are trying to undermine the entire institution of democracy.
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/north-carolina-gop-uses-hurricane-relief-session-to-und-1790159585
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Pat McCrory is a piece of crap and everything wrong with politics in America. It seems like him and his people are trying to undermine the entire institution of democracy.
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/north-carolina-gop-uses-hurricane-relief-session-to-und-1790159585
And kicked out all observers and arrested journalists trying to cover their actions.
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Oh look a highly partisan liberal website doesn't like what a Republican is doing. :jerk:
I'm sure somewhere along the way the managed to gloss over the fiscal disaster that the previous 20-30 plus years of (D) controlling the governors office left behind. Imagine a state that had nearly unprecedented economic growth for twenty years while still having some of the highest state income taxes in the United States, a robust sales tax, a robust fee structure etc. etc. Literally falling off a fiscal cliff at the first hint of an economic slow down.
Also :lol: at the implication by so many pissed off intolerant libs that NC's public schools were all that under the Dem regimes when in reality they were hot garbage on a plate.
The UNC system is rife with cronyism and after some of the things that have gone on internally at UNC system schools they absolutely need more state legislative over site. They're getting $2 billion dollars worth of new buildings right now and all they had to do was tell people to vote yes on a proposition on a ballot and then plan what they wanted to build. No fund raising, no bonds of their own, no private money, no special fees (the KBOR schools would kill for something like that).
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It's sad when dax can't even separate his political bias from a blatant attack on the fundamental principles and moorings of our democracy. What does a prior regime spending money in a global economic catastrophe to help people live have to do with criticising horrible attacks on the law by another part of the government?
Keep in mind this was a special session to help hurricane victims (with a paltry sum passed).
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It's sad when dax can't even separate his political bias from a blatant attack on the fundamental principles and moorings of our democracy. What does a prior regime spending money in a global economic catastrophe to help people live have to do with criticising horrible attacks on the law by another part of the government?
Keep in mind this was a special session to help hurricane victims (with a paltry sum passed).
The notion that Matthew caused "greater damage" than Floyd is absolutely laughable. In the aftermath of Floyd nearly every small city and town of substance from the middle part of the Eastern part of NC, to the Northern Tier of Eastern NC had their entire Central Business Districts completely flooded out.
I could literally write a substantial white paper as to the CF that is the NC Department of Public Instruction. I'll share one thing . . . they sat on economic stimulus money (millions) from the Obama administration, for six years that was supposed to be earmarked to pay the out-of-pocket portion for schools in the Federal Erate program. When they finally "distributed" the money they structured it in such a way that it became a profit center for DPI (a public institution). During the interim period K-12 schools were having to finance the out-of-pocket portion in the Federal Erate program 100% out-of-pocket while DPI sat on the federal money.
You don't know WTF you're talking about edn.
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You're deflecting again. Your issues with the prior admin or public works have nothing to do with people's concerns about the frightening attacks on the standards and traditions of North Carolina government. I mean it's like you took people to Burger King, someone gets food poising and complains and wants to go to the hospital and you go off on a rant about how McDonald's over salts their fries.
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Edna is butthurt that the legislature is passing laws. Shocking.
Also, #deadspin :lol:
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Notice dax and fsd aren't even attempting to justify the crap McCrory did, they just attack the source and then try the "yeah but look at this" magic trick.
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Please start a new thread where MIR complains about Pat Mcwhatshisface. Nobody cares dipshits. Stop cluttering up good threads.
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Seems plenty of people care
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LOL an article was posted where the usual complainers are bitching that crap is getting cleaned up. I specifically discuss individual things that are getting cleaned up and the two biggest dumbasses on this board call it deflecting.
Attacks on standards and traditions? Like a dem gub and dem legislature stripping a Lt. Gub (a Republican) of their power? Like Dem gub seeking to fire state staff who are Republicans?
DPI, hey no textbooks by 2017, fantastic idea! Technology infrastructure to support no textbooks for 10's of thousands of students? :shrug NCDPI in a nutshell.
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Who do these fucks think they are passing laws during a legislative session? Legislators?!?!? :shakesfist:
How about the warren bill that would require an incoming president to divest his personal assets??? Seems utterly unconstitutional, and, I don't know, targeted. :lol:
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Who do these fucks think they are passing laws during a legislative session? Legislators?!?!? :shakesfist:
How about the warren bill that would require an incoming president to divest his personal assets??? Seems utterly unconstitutional, and, I don't know, targeted. :lol:
I agree, 100%, it's a bullshit political trick that doesn't pass the smell test. That was easy to do because I'm not a shitty partisan parrot, I actually can think on my own. You and dax should give it a try, it's freeing not to have a hand up my ass forcing me to do nothing but puppet partisan facebook posts.
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I guess we disagree on the role of legislators. :dunno:
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It's an insane power grab and every single person in America who's even a little familiar with the story, including the republican legislators in North Carolina, knows it.
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Power Grab!!!!! Stop them!!!
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/810895503122726912
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Was in Raleigh over the weekend where it was confirmed that the "protesters" are all the usual suspects who have a total meltdown if they're not handed everything they demand on a silver platter. Nothing-to-see-here kids.