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Title: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: Bookcat on October 05, 2014, 09:05:26 AM
This isn't a fluke.... Our D is legit. Can't wait to show everyone in Norman so we're finally validated.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: KITNfury on October 05, 2014, 09:27:39 AM
This isn't a fluke.... Our D is legit. Can't wait to show everyone in Norman so we're finally validated.
I think you're right but it's weird because we're not great at sacks and sometimes it seems like the pass D is soft. Yet we continue to shut teams down.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: catzacker on October 05, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
This isn't a fluke.... Our D is legit. Can't wait to show everyone in Norman so we're finally validated.
I think you're right but it's weird because we're not great at sacks and sometimes it seems like the pass D is soft. Yet we continue to shut teams down.

I think the front 4 not being able to get any real pressure is going to be problematic when we actually play good teams that throw the ball (Baylor, OU) and our lack of athleticism at LB (should dakorey continue to be out) against TCU where they actually use their QB as a dual threat guy, not just another RB who occasionally throws it to WR's who may or may not catch it.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: KITNfury on October 05, 2014, 09:44:07 AM
This isn't a fluke.... Our D is legit. Can't wait to show everyone in Norman so we're finally validated.
I think you're right but it's weird because we're not great at sacks and sometimes it seems like the pass D is soft. Yet we continue to shut teams down.


I think the front 4 not being able to get any real pressure is going to be problematic when we actually play good teams that throw the ball (Baylor, OU) and our lack of athleticism at LB (should dakorey continue to be out) against TCU where they actually use their QB as a dual threat guy, not just another RB who occasionally throws it to WR's who may or may not catch it.
I worry about it too, but I do think we do ok with qb pressure but don't actually finish with sacks often. But the right qb, that might not be enough.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: chum1 on October 05, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
I'm good with the tipped/batted down passes.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: treysolid on October 05, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
This isn't a fluke.... Our D is legit. Can't wait to show everyone in Norman so we're finally validated.
I think you're right but it's weird because we're not great at sacks and sometimes it seems like the pass D is soft. Yet we continue to shut teams down.


I think the front 4 not being able to get any real pressure is going to be problematic when we actually play good teams that throw the ball (Baylor, OU) and our lack of athleticism at LB (should dakorey continue to be out) against TCU where they actually use their QB as a dual threat guy, not just another RB who occasionally throws it to WR's who may or may not catch it.
I worry about it too, but I do think we do ok with qb pressure but don't actually finish with sacks often. But the right qb, that might not be enough.

the big 12 is full of decently mobile qbs. it's tough to get sacks when the pocket collapses.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: Steffy08 on October 05, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
 :ksu:
I'm good with the tipped/batted down passes.

I think our coaches have stressed the importance of keeping qb's in pocket above sacks.  We are collapsing pocket and making qb's uncomfortable, even if we aren't getting sacks.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2014, 10:28:30 AM
:ksu:
I'm good with the tipped/batted down passes.

I think our coaches have stressed the importance of keeping qb's in pocket above sacks.  We are collapsing pocket and making qb's uncomfortable, even if we aren't getting sacks.

In addition to this we have not played sack prone qb's other than Richardson and we had no problem getting to him. Webb has not been sacked all year.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: CatMission on October 05, 2014, 10:40:28 AM

:ksu:
I'm good with the tipped/batted down passes.

I think our coaches have stressed the importance of keeping qb's in pocket above sacks.  We are collapsing pocket and making qb's uncomfortable, even if we aren't getting sacks.
I agree with this, but the LBs are going to have to control the QB run game.


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Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: EMAWzified on October 05, 2014, 10:50:18 AM
Green and Johnson have to be healthy. I think we all agree on that. Drop off is enormous.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 05, 2014, 11:46:50 AM
Green and Johnson have to be healthy. I think we all agree on that. Drop off is enormous.

This.  I'm surprised more people aren't talking about Green going down.  Having Schelly back there in Big12 play is a rough ridin' disaster.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: catzacker on October 05, 2014, 12:46:32 PM
So.....how bad is green hurt?  Do we expect Dakorey to play against OU?
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: hemmy on October 05, 2014, 12:48:37 PM
Remember when the 2011 defense had great stats to start the season?
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 05, 2014, 12:50:15 PM
Green was hammering people last night. His tackling was the best part of the game for me. I am depressed about his injury, hope it's not serious.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2014, 12:52:31 PM
Green and Johnson have to be healthy. I think we all agree on that. Drop off is enormous.

This.  I'm surprised more people aren't talking about Green going down.  Having Schelly back there in Big12 play is a rough ridin' disaster.

:dubious:
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: wetwillie on October 05, 2014, 12:53:03 PM
Did the stud from blue springs redshirt? 
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 05, 2014, 12:54:23 PM
Dakorey didn't dress last night. I didn't see Riddle or Derricott on the sidelines. Clinkscales sat alone on the bench for much of the second half.

We really need Johnson and Green this season and we have to have the juco LBs for next season. I really hope these guys are all in good status.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 05, 2014, 12:55:15 PM

Did the stud from blue springs redshirt?
I'm pretty sure Prewett has played some on special teams.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2014, 01:00:54 PM

Did the stud from blue springs redshirt?
I'm pretty sure Prewett has played some on special teams.

Yes he has, a couple of snaps on defense too.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on October 05, 2014, 01:13:42 PM
Clinkscales sitting is one of the most questionable things I think.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: KITNfury on October 05, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Clinkscales sitting is one of the most questionable things I think.
He played some against utep. I pretty much assume he'll never be a major factor.
Title: Re: Another offense held to season lows by Mob 2.0
Post by: Bookcat on October 06, 2014, 09:08:39 AM
Remember when the 2011 defense had great stats to start the season?

Ya. Won 10 games..went to the Cotton Bowl. ? Am I missing something?

The biggest weakness is depth obviously. We don't cheat enough to have three Travis Greens on the roster.