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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: bones129 on September 28, 2014, 12:45:52 AM
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Bill's quote: “Number one, I was clueless in regards to what they were trying to tell me. Number two, whatever the ruling was just did not seem to be appropriate. Apparently there is a rule to that effect that I am totally unaware of. That is the first thing I am going to do when I walk out of here is find that rule. They did the best they could. It just took them an hour and a half to do it.”
If you didn't like Bill before that, you should like him now.
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That play was bullshit. The refs should learn the rules of the game so they don't blow inadvertent whistles during huge plays.
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Bill's quote: “Number one, I was clueless in regards to what they were trying to tell me. Number two, whatever the ruling was just did not seem to be appropriate. Apparently there is a rule to that effect that I am totally unaware of. That is the first thing I am going to do when I walk out of here is find that rule. They did the best they could. It just took them an hour and a half to do it.”
If you didn't like Bill before that, you should like him now.
middle finger
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It was dumb by the official, but somewhat understandable. He blew the whistle because the UTEP player possessed the ball. If the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage, then the play would be dead at that point, kind of like downing a punt. However, if the ball is still behind the LOS, even after a block, the kicking team can pick it up and advance it for a first down, which UTEP tried to do. After the official blew the whistle when the player grabbed the ball the play was dead though and by rule it had to be replayed.
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I want all our coaches and players to know the rules.
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thankfully it didn't affect the outcome of this game. but it could have tremendous impact in a close game. does sean not teach special teams to recover a blocked punt?
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Easy call, the ref made a mistake. Inadvertent whistle always means replay of down
No reason to review the play, the refs were obviously showing the legend respect
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I thought inadvertent whistle meant deadball where the whistle was blown, meaning we get the ball on downs.
Booed them pretty hard for it
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The play was live and UTEP had possession, ball carrier was tackled right after the whistle was blown. Rules say you have to give UTEP the benefit of the doubt because their player might have heard it and stopped running
It's a bullshit rule and we were screwed. Should be judged on the instance, not just a set rule
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It was dumb by the official, but somewhat understandable. He blew the whistle because the UTEP player possessed the ball. If the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage, then the play would be dead at that point, kind of like downing a punt. However, if the ball is still behind the LOS, even after a block, the kicking team can pick it up and advance it for a first down, which UTEP tried to do. After the official blew the whistle when the player grabbed the ball the play was dead though and by rule it had to be replayed.
Listening to him at the stadium, the ref said a couple of times that the whistle was blown before the fumble. What fumble was he talking about, and how did it impact the call?
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I also did not see a fumble at all that was mentioned multiple times.
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Possible he was talking about when the UTEP guy touched the ball but couldn't corral it before long-hair got it and started rumbling. Maybe in the weird context of a punt-block'd ball behind the line of scrimmage, refs think of that as a fumble.
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It was dumb by the official, but somewhat understandable. He blew the whistle because the UTEP player possessed the ball. If the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage, then the play would be dead at that point, kind of like downing a punt. However, if the ball is still behind the LOS, even after a block, the kicking team can pick it up and advance it for a first down, which UTEP tried to do. After the official blew the whistle when the player grabbed the ball the play was dead though and by rule it had to be replayed.
Listening to him at the stadium, the ref said a couple of times that the whistle was blown before the fumble. What fumble was he talking about, and how did it impact the call?
Ben Leber on the color commentary had a great quip where he said, "unless this guy is a psychic and is seeing a future fumble that hasn't occurred yet, I'm not sure what he's talking about" or something to that effect
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Ben Leber on the color commentary had a great quip where he said, "unless this guy is a psychic and is seeing a future fumble that hasn't occurred yet, I'm not sure what he's talking about" or something to that effect
Leber was fantastic yesterday :thumbs:
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Seems to me that the rule should simply state that once kicked, possession has been given up.
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I thought inadvertent whistle meant deadball where the whistle was blown, meaning we get the ball on downs.
Booed them pretty hard for it
They had the option to replay or take the ball where the whistle was blown. Since it was fourth down and he was short of the first down they obviously would replay the down. The whistle as bad but what was totally unacceptable was how long it took for the refs to figure it all out. It made them really look like they didn't have a clue.
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Wyatt was fuming.
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Wyatt was fuming.
Good
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thankfully it didn't affect the outcome of this game. but it could have tremendous impact in a close game. does sean not teach special teams to recover a blocked punt?
Yeah, you're rightfully taught not to rough ridin' touch it, dummy. If someone tried to scoop it and messed it up it would result in a change in possession and a first down for the team punting if they recover it. Unless you're free and clear you should leave the ball alone in that instance.
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Easy call, the ref made a mistake. Inadvertent whistle always means replay of down
No reason to review the play, the refs were obviously showing the legend respect
Gooch said the "review" was them thumbing through the rule book and I think he was right. The better one was later in the game when Patterson's kickoff hit the dudes leg and took a right turn out of bounds and the official somehow missed it and the replay official was like "meh, who cares, the game is over."
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thankfully it didn't affect the outcome of this game. but it could have tremendous impact in a close game. does sean not teach special teams to recover a blocked punt?
Yeah, you're rightfully taught not to rough ridin' touch it, dummy. If someone tried to scoop it and messed it up it would result in a change in possession and a first down for the team punting if they recover it. Unless you're free and clear you should leave the ball alone in that instance.
By "free and clear" do you mean 4 of our guys standing at the 5 yard line watching the ball gently float back down to earth with no UTEP players anywhere near? All one of them had to do was catch the ball and fall over into the end zone.
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thankfully it didn't affect the outcome of this game. but it could have tremendous impact in a close game. does sean not teach special teams to recover a blocked punt?
Yeah, you're rightfully taught not to rough ridin' touch it, dummy. If someone tried to scoop it and messed it up it would result in a change in possession and a first down for the team punting if they recover it. Unless you're free and clear you should leave the ball alone in that instance.
By "free and clear" do you mean 4 of our guys standing at the 5 yard line watching the ball gently float back down to earth with no UTEP players anywhere near? All one of them had to do was catch the ball and fall over into the end zone.
If that's what happened, sure I guess. In the stadium it seemed a bit more chaotic than that, seems like whomever blew his whistle thought it was chaotic as well. I mean you can't argue with the play that the players made, if the official didn't screw up we have the ball 1st and 10 on the 21.
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Ben Leber on the color commentary had a great quip where he said, "unless this guy is a psychic and is seeing a future fumble that hasn't occurred yet, I'm not sure what he's talking about" or something to that effect
Leber was fantastic yesterday :thumbs:
he's really good
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Ben Leber on the color commentary had a great quip where he said, "unless this guy is a psychic and is seeing a future fumble that hasn't occurred yet, I'm not sure what he's talking about" or something to that effect
Leber was fantastic yesterday :thumbs:
he's really good
Such a professional. He never lol'd once during the KU Central Michigan game. And there were multiple lol moments.
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thankfully it didn't affect the outcome of this game. but it could have tremendous impact in a close game. does sean not teach special teams to recover a blocked punt?
Yeah, you're rightfully taught not to rough ridin' touch it, dummy. If someone tried to scoop it and messed it up it would result in a change in possession and a first down for the team punting if they recover it. Unless you're free and clear you should leave the ball alone in that instance.
i wasn't taking a shot at sean, i just didn't understand why nobody tried to catch it. seems like a mental error by about 4 of our special teams players. must be dummies.
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I want all our coaches and players to know the rules.
And most of all, the referees that are paid to know and enforce them
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I want all our coaches and players to know the rules.
And most of all, the referees that are paid to know and enforce them
They knew the rule as it applied to when someone fucks up and blows a whistle when he shouldn't.
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I want all our coaches and players to know the rules.
And most of all, the referees that are paid to know and enforce them
They knew the rule as it applied to when someone fucks up and blows a whistle when he shouldn't.
The 20 minutes it took to apply the rule cast some doubt on that
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It was dumb by the official, but somewhat understandable. He blew the whistle because the UTEP player possessed the ball. If the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage, then the play would be dead at that point, kind of like downing a punt. However, if the ball is still behind the LOS, even after a block, the kicking team can pick it up and advance it for a first down, which UTEP tried to do. After the official blew the whistle when the player grabbed the ball the play was dead though and by rule it had to be replayed.
Listening to him at the stadium, the ref said a couple of times that the whistle was blown before the fumble. What fumble was he talking about, and how did it impact the call?
I'm pretty sure he meant before UTEP retook possession of the ball after the block happened. I think Bill's question for clarification (and the reason for the length of the review) was about whether or not the whistle happened after the UTEP player picked the ball up and started running with it. He was probably thinking that if the whistle happened after, then we could choose to take the ball at that spot because they had obviously not gained enough yardage to get a first down. It sounds like the officials eventually ruled that the whistle occurred before the UTEP player possessed the ball, so the only option was to replay the down because there was essentially no possession when the whistle occurred.
While it is a dumb mistake by a referee, generally an inadvertent whistle ruling is more clear cut, but the blocked punt and repossession behind the line of scrimmage made things a little more complicated. Also, IMO the inadvertent whistle was a bit more understandable because if the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage an official would automatically blow the play dead if the kicking team recovered the ball after a kick even when blocked.
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I want all our coaches and players to know the rules.
And most of all, the referees that are paid to know and enforce them
:thumbs:
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So my dad works with a Big XII official (the dude that broke his leg during OU/WVU) and here is his explanation.
As to the punt play, I was watching on TV and what I came up with was that it was a scrimmage kick (punt) that did not cross the line of scrimmage, that being the case either team can advance. It appeared to be the killed the play(inadvertent whistle) when the kicking team recovered and started to advance. By rule the team in possession can take the result of the play or replay the down. They obviously chose the latter and punted again. As to replay, I have no idea what they looked at for 11 minutes?
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