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Title: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 02:37:11 PM
Any coach in the country would make a coaching change with this many screw ups. He has been a huge part of a loss and we've been fortunate to play crappy teams where the miscues didn't really matter.

Does Bill have the guts to fire his son?
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: CATILLAC on September 27, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
Nope wants him to get better every day...
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: puniraptor on September 27, 2014, 02:45:38 PM
Cantele xp sweet god poor broken soul
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2014, 02:57:18 PM
Punt return and two blocked punts tho.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
Utep, tho
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 27, 2014, 02:58:31 PM
He has got to go.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 02:59:28 PM
This certainly kills the 'Sean as the next head coach' thing
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: ChiComCat on September 27, 2014, 03:04:54 PM
His success has largely been based on us playing starters on special teams where others play reserves.  Arthur Brown was playing on those units for him.  His failures are his.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 27, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
This certainly kills the 'Sean as the next head coach' thing

seems like wishful thinking
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: #LIFE on September 27, 2014, 03:13:34 PM
Bill should get his buddy Mack to replace him  :love:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 27, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
So is this about a pretty meaningless punt getting blocked? Or a missed PAT? :dunno:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
Strip him of the special teams and leave him as associate head coach.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Ich.Gewinne on September 27, 2014, 04:01:44 PM
Yup
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: pvegs on September 27, 2014, 04:11:03 PM
So is this about a pretty meaningless punt getting blocked? Or a missed PAT? :dunno:

Regardless of the OP, I think you have to admit Sean's tenure has been a mixed bag. He's had problems with kickoff coverage and now we have two starting kickers who appeared to be mindfucked. They also apparently don't know when or how to cover a blocked kick.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Ich.Gewinne on September 27, 2014, 04:13:31 PM
So is this about a pretty meaningless punt getting blocked? Or a missed PAT? :dunno:

The fumble recovery was good as well  :excited: right in the red zone.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 27, 2014, 04:29:22 PM
So is this about a pretty meaningless punt getting blocked? Or a missed PAT? :dunno:

Maybe it's about the punt return allowed at ISU, the 3 missed field goals against Auburn, the missed PAT against UTEP, the punt that was blocked by UTEP, and the fumbled snap by the punter against UTEP. Special Teams have not been sharp this season.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 27, 2014, 05:05:35 PM
So is this about a pretty meaningless punt getting blocked? Or a missed PAT? :dunno:

Maybe it's about the punt return allowed at ISU, the 3 missed field goals against Auburn, the missed PAT against UTEP, the punt that was blocked by UTEP, and the fumbled snap by the punter against UTEP. Special Teams have not been sharp this season.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: pissclams on September 27, 2014, 05:31:28 PM
special teams kicked ass today - troll me not

the coverage on the kick offs and punts was good
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 27, 2014, 05:41:26 PM
So is this about a pretty meaningless punt getting blocked? Or a missed PAT? :dunno:

Maybe it's about the punt return allowed at ISU, the 3 missed field goals against Auburn, the missed PAT against UTEP, the punt that was blocked by UTEP, and the fumbled snap by the punter against UTEP. Special Teams have not been sharp this season.

i'm not really sure, but guessing that's pretty average for a team. i dunno.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 27, 2014, 06:18:46 PM
I honestly don't care about our back up punt unit messing up today. I mean you guys do know that was our back up punter with a bunch of back ups on those snaps, correct?

The biggest issue so far is the FG issues. We thought Cantele was going to be a strength, but now he appears to be a mental mess. The punt return against ISU is another concern, but it appears that we got that corrected since. As long as we have a good returner the net effect from our special teams will be good and as long as Lockett is back there we'll be really good. Also, KO coverage has been solid.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: bucket on September 27, 2014, 06:26:02 PM
OK_Cat started the thread. I don't think anyone is really concerned.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 27, 2014, 06:50:36 PM
FWIW, I think the coverage has been pretty good all year, and the return game has been good with Lockett. The punt that ISU returned was a bad kick. All of our kickers have been pretty bad this year. Sean needs to do a better job of finding kickers for the team. If that means going out and recruiting them because we just aren't getting anyone good at open tryouts, then Sean needs to get his ass on the road and find some kickers.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: bucket on September 27, 2014, 06:52:40 PM
McCrane was pretty highly regarded.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 27, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
The punt that ISU returned was a bad kick. All of our kickers have been pretty bad this year. Sean needs to do a better job of finding kickers for the team. If that means going out and recruiting them because we just aren't getting anyone good at open tryouts, then Sean needs to get his ass on the road and find some kickers.

Matt Walsh replaced Lochbihler after the poor punt in Ames and he has been solid. Lochbihler didn't punt again until today in the 4th quarter. I'd say Walsh has that spot locked down.

We thought we had one of the best PKers in the league (if not the country) coming back in Cantele. No one thought he'd become what he is now, and it doesn't appear that he's coming out of it. Hopefully McCrane can take over and be a solid replacement.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 27, 2014, 07:19:57 PM
Also, the officials were completely correct on the blocked punt,  inadvertent whistle call.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: TheHamburglar on September 27, 2014, 07:30:16 PM
Sean has a history of having problems of just getting people on the field.  At least once this year we've had 10 on the field and 12 on the field (got away with it) for ST.

Also, we've majorly messed up the kick to the corner a few times this year.  Like ball goes out at the 8-to-10, not even close bad.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2014, 07:50:28 PM
Also, the officials were completely correct on the blocked punt,  inadvertent whistle call.
I had to run out while that review was happening. Didn't we block that punt? I was confused by our dudes just kind of standing around instead of wrecking every body around the ball.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Special teams will cost us at least one more game this year, but 'ok_cat started this thread,' so all is fine. Sean for HCIW!
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2014, 09:08:48 PM
Special teams will cost us at least one more game this year, but 'ok_cat started this thread,' so all is fine. Sean for HCIW!
Not having sams has already cost us a game so let's fire Dana and Del. 
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 09:09:24 PM
Sams is gone, let it go.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2014, 09:11:54 PM
Dana and Del are still here(hint they are the problem)
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 09:12:58 PM
Dana and Del were good enough to beat Auburn, Sean wasn't. This is about how Sean is the weak link of a weak staff.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2014, 09:17:19 PM
Special teams will cost us at least one more game this year, but 'ok_cat started this thread,' so all is fine. Sean for HCIW!
Yes, very good suggestion.  How is this shitty coach considered by other coaches and past statistics to have a top ten special teams in the FBS?  Come on ok_cat, you just have a deep hate for LHCBS.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
Top ten special teams
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
Top ten special teams
Check 2011, 2012 & 2013.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Good luck in the past, katdaddy
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: bucket on September 27, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
Special teams will cost us at least one more game this year, but 'ok_cat started this thread,' so all is fine. Sean for HCIW!
Not having sams has already cost us a game so let's fire Dana and Del.

 :confused:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 27, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
McCrane was pretty highly regarded.

He might end up being pretty good. I just took us going for 4th and 3 or so around the 15 yard line as a sign that we aren't very confident in McCrane.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: bucket on September 27, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
McCrane was pretty highly regarded.

He might end up being pretty good. I just took us going for 4th and 3 or so around the 15 yard line as a sign that we aren't very confident in McCrane.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2014, 10:29:14 PM
McCrane was pretty highly regarded.

He might end up being pretty good. I just took us going for 4th and 3 or so around the 15 yard line as a sign that we aren't very confident in McCrane.
I don't feel that was the reason for going for it.  UTEP was pretty easy to run against and we just wanted 6 instead of 3.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 27, 2014, 10:30:56 PM
McCrane was pretty highly regarded.

He might end up being pretty good. I just took us going for 4th and 3 or so around the 15 yard line as a sign that we aren't very confident in McCrane.
I don't feel that was the reason for going for it.  UTEP was pretty easy to run against and we just wanted 6 instead of 3.

Maybe. McCrane has looked pretty good so far. I just thought it was odd.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 27, 2014, 11:08:03 PM
McCrane was pretty highly regarded.

He might end up being pretty good. I just took us going for 4th and 3 or so around the 15 yard line as a sign that we aren't very confident in McCrane.
I don't feel that was the reason for going for it.  UTEP was pretty easy to run against and we just wanted 6 instead of 3.

Maybe. McCrane has looked pretty good so far. I just thought it was odd.
I wouldn't be surprised if McCrane is the starter for now on.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2014, 11:39:49 PM
Blaming the special teams coach for missed field goals and the back up punter literally droping the ball but meh'n blocked punts and great returns is beyond respected. Not that this is mindblowing but like 99.99% of people commenting about Sean Snyder for better or worse have no idea what a special teams coach does or what constitutes success or failure.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: OK_Cat on September 27, 2014, 11:45:50 PM
Let's just keep on keeping on, then. What's the worst that could happen?
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2014, 11:59:23 PM
Let's just keep on keeping on, then. What's the worst that could happen?

Yes, because if there is one thing Kansas State is known for its mediocre to poor special teams :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on September 28, 2014, 12:07:27 AM
Ok cat thread
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on September 28, 2014, 12:36:47 AM
1. Officials having to fix an inadvertent whistle call is the definition of officials screwing up.

2. Sean Snyder should not be considered as next K-State Coach.

3. Overall the coaching staff has been doing pretty good at their jobs.

4. Auburn is a really good team that we should have beat.

5. I believe that Cantele can't be blamed on the coaches and that it is hard to forget the really solid season that he had for us last year.  I know people that think that this is Jack's first year and think that his older brother was still kicking for us last year.

6. Baylor is really good and I am projecting us second in the conference.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 28, 2014, 02:36:49 AM
Of course he's given less time to special teams, he is the associate head coach. He's got a ton on his plate.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Blackcats on September 28, 2014, 10:19:30 AM
#FireSeanSnyder
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: 8manpick on September 28, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
Hopefully the Hawks will do the right thing and hire Sean as head coach to let him grow. Then in a couple years Sean can come home to keep the waters calm.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2014, 11:50:19 AM
I can't wait until Sean becomes head coach.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: SeanSnyder4Prez on September 28, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
i do not approve of this thread
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Gooch on September 28, 2014, 01:06:39 PM
I can't wait until Sean becomes head coach.
This is not the first time that I have heard this and been completely flabbergasted.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
I can't wait until Sean becomes head coach.
This is not the first time that I have heard this and been completely flabbergasted.

Not kidding
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: HerrSonntag on September 28, 2014, 08:28:34 PM
I can't wait until Sean becomes head coach.
This is not the first time that I have heard this and been completely flabbergasted.

Not kidding
Nepotism is killing this team.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2014, 09:18:14 PM
I can't wait until Sean becomes head coach.
This is not the first time that I have heard this and been completely flabbergasted.

Not kidding
Nepotism is killing this team.

Wow how coincidental because dumb is killing this blog.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: HerrSonntag on September 28, 2014, 09:22:05 PM
Tate Snyder, Kyle Klein, Jack Cantele, Sean Snyder.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2014, 09:25:38 PM
You forgot one

also holy eff, how stupid are you
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 28, 2014, 09:27:36 PM
TLBL and the other receiver #14.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 28, 2014, 09:30:25 PM
Win another dr pep and I'll help him move into bill's office
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: HerrSonntag on September 28, 2014, 09:41:53 PM
Probably not fair to include Collin on the list of unwarranted pick ups.  Local guy and still has an opportunity to be a good ball player, but it could be.

I don't think Sean is a bad coach or completely unqualified, but to think we should pick the next head coach based on pedigree and not merit is dumb.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 28, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
Probably not fair to include Collin on the list of unwarranted pick ups.  Local guy and still has an opportunity to be a good ball player, but it could be.

I don't think Sean is a bad coach or completely unqualified, but to think we should pick the next head coach based on pedigree and not merit is dumb.
He has more active time at KSU than LHCBS.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: HerrSonntag on September 28, 2014, 10:10:16 PM
Probably not fair to include Collin on the list of unwarranted pick ups.  Local guy and still has an opportunity to be a good ball player, but it could be.

I don't think Sean is a bad coach or completely unqualified, but to think we should pick the next head coach based on pedigree and not merit is dumb.
He has more active time at KSU than LHCBS.
Ehhh, if you count playing time.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Katpappy on September 28, 2014, 10:24:15 PM
Probably not fair to include Collin on the list of unwarranted pick ups.  Local guy and still has an opportunity to be a good ball player, but it could be.

I don't think Sean is a bad coach or completely unqualified, but to think we should pick the next head coach based on pedigree and not merit is dumb.
He has more active time at KSU than LHCBS.
Ehhh, if you count playing time.
Was active during the time Bill was retired
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: HerrSonntag on September 28, 2014, 10:30:06 PM
Probably not fair to include Collin on the list of unwarranted pick ups.  Local guy and still has an opportunity to be a good ball player, but it could be.

I don't think Sean is a bad coach or completely unqualified, but to think we should pick the next head coach based on pedigree and not merit is dumb.
He has more active time at KSU than LHCBS.
Ehhh, if you count playing time.
Was active during the time Bill was retired
But didn't start as an assistant coach until 94
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2014, 12:21:46 AM
Probably not fair to include Collin on the list of unwarranted pick ups.  Local guy and still has an opportunity to be a good ball player, but it could be.

I don't think Sean is a bad coach or completely unqualified, but to think we should pick the next head coach based on pedigree and not merit is dumb.

You don't think 20 years at the hand of LHC Bill Snyder constitutes merit? What the hell do you think Sean has been doing? My hope is that Sean runs the program the same but is slightly more savvy and less crotchety about things like uniforms, media, and promoting the program. A mix of the good qualities of the two coaches he's worked for.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: GoodForAnother on September 29, 2014, 08:22:06 AM
Currie is just going to have oscar coach both teams once Snyder leaves
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: slimz on September 29, 2014, 09:12:35 AM
Also, the officials were completely correct on the blocked punt,  inadvertent whistle call.

"Completely correct" may be going a little overboard here. After observing a phantom fumble and phoning a friend for 90 minutes, they ultimately correctly ruled an inadvertent whistle and down replay...cause entirely by a massive screw-up on their own part in blowing the whistle prematurely.

Officials hired to work in college and the pros aren't hired because they can spot a guy moving before the snap. They're hired because they're supposed to have the experience and poise to be able to correctly handle uncommon situations. When you lose your cool and blow your whistle intentionally and incorrectly, negating a red-zone turnover, you should never work another game at that level.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2014, 09:38:30 AM
Also, the officials were completely correct on the blocked punt,  inadvertent whistle call.

"Completely correct" may be going a little overboard here. After observing a phantom fumble and phoning a friend for 90 minutes, they ultimately correctly ruled an inadvertent whistle and down replay...cause entirely by a massive screw-up on their own part in blowing the whistle prematurely.

Officials hired to work in college and the pros aren't hired because they can spot a guy moving before the snap. They're hired because they're supposed to have the experience and poise to be able to correctly handle uncommon situations. When you lose your cool and blow your whistle intentionally and incorrectly, negating a red-zone turnover, you should never work another game at that level.

While I agree it was a pretty big mistake, I did explain here (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33258.msg1222094#msg1222094) why I did give the refs a bit of a break because of the strange nature of what happened on the play.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: DOD Take 2 on September 29, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
The strangest part of the blocked-punt-that-wasn't was how none of our players went for the football. They just stood there and watched it drop, and then seemingly thought UTEP touching it would down it and just let them pick it up. Why we didn't dive on it was the most frustrating part, then the ref blowing his whistle second.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2014, 09:59:54 AM
The strangest part of the blocked-punt-that-wasn't was how none of our players went for the football. They just stood there and watched it drop, and then seemingly thought UTEP touching it would down it and just let them pick it up. Why we didn't dive on it was the most frustrating part, then the ref blowing his whistle second.

It seems like everyone involved assumed the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage. You definitely don't want to touch the ball in that situation if you blocked the kick/punt. The strange way it went high and came back down seemed to throw everyone off.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: meow meow on September 29, 2014, 10:02:35 AM
if that's me on the punt unit, and the ball is blocked, i'm scooping and scoring every single time.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Daddy Claxton on September 29, 2014, 10:12:59 AM
The strangest part of the blocked-punt-that-wasn't was how none of our players went for the football. They just stood there and watched it drop, and then seemingly thought UTEP touching it would down it and just let them pick it up. Why we didn't dive on it was the most frustrating part, then the ref blowing his whistle second.

It seems like everyone involved assumed the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage. You definitely don't want to touch the ball in that situation if you blocked the kick/punt. The strange way it went high and came back down seemed to throw everyone off.
The ball landed quite a ways behind the los didn't it?  I honestly don't remember. But there is such a big difference in what a player should do if the ball lands behind the los vs. beyond the los, that a good coach dedicated to special teams would emphasize that point to his punt block unit so that his team is prepared to react properly when the play achieves its intended out come. But...the refs clearly didn't know either.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: slimz on September 29, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
While I agree it was a pretty big mistake, I did explain here (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33258.msg1222094#msg1222094) why I did give the refs a bit of a break because of the strange nature of what happened on the play.

I'll give the players more of a break (see below), but for me it really comes down to the fact that high-level officials shouldn't be there to make the right call in the easy situations but to make the right call in the tough situations--and especially not to deliberately end a play when it should continue. And I'm saying this more as somebody who's officiated than as a disgruntled fan. That sort of thing makes officials look bad.

The strangest part of the blocked-punt-that-wasn't was how none of our players went for the football. They just stood there and watched it drop, and then seemingly thought UTEP touching it would down it and just let them pick it up. Why we didn't dive on it was the most frustrating part, then the ref blowing his whistle second.

It seems like everyone involved assumed the ball was beyond the line of scrimmage. You definitely don't want to touch the ball in that situation if you blocked the kick/punt. The strange way it went high and came back down seemed to throw everyone off.
The ball landed quite a ways behind the los didn't it?  I honestly don't remember. But there is such a big difference in what a player should do if the ball lands behind the los vs. beyond the los, that a good coach dedicated to special teams would emphasize that point to his punt block unit so that his team is prepared to react properly when the play achieves its intended out come. But...the refs clearly didn't know either.

I'm sure for most of the players it was tough to tell whether the ball was actually touched--it only glanced off the helmet and went way up into the air...and that's assuming they were actually looking at the ball before it wound up high in the air. It probably looked to most of them like a really terrible punt, and they've all been drilled on punts with punt defenders all around you to just get out of the way and not risk getting hit by the bounce (and that's to the extent that any of the rushers [who were the ones down in that area] have been drilled at all on what to do when fielding a non-blocked punt). 
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2014, 10:33:57 AM
I know practically nothing, and I immediately knew what should have happened with the punt landing behind the LOS AND I was on the opposite side of the field and was able to identify that the ball landed behind the LOS and I was like 5/7. could have just been a coincidence though i guess.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Daddy Claxton on September 29, 2014, 10:37:15 AM
If he's well coached, isn't the player that blocked it yelling his ass off so the rest of his team mates know?  And if the block is on, aren't those team mates listening and keeping an orientation as to where they are on the field? 

I agree that's blaming too much on Sean and a bunch of 20 yr olds when the officials were just as clueless.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2014, 10:55:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8FkQbfzl4

Watching it again, it was a pretty big screw up by everyone involved. We had multiple players that could have recovered even catching the original out of the air. Also, Prewitt didn't think he could recover it after it was on the ground. The official called it a block right away and I have no idea why the whistle was blown so late. After rewatching I take back much of what I said; it was dumb by our guys not to recover it, but really dumb by whatever official decided to blow the whistle before we tackled the UTEP guy with the ball.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: slimz on September 29, 2014, 10:57:00 AM
If he's well coached, isn't the player that blocked it yelling his ass off so the rest of his team mates know?  And if the block is on, aren't those team mates listening and keeping an orientation as to where they are on the field? 

I agree that's blaming too much on Sean and a bunch of 20 yr olds when the officials were just as clueless.

I'm sure they practice what to do when the ball barely glances off your helmet all the time. Player may not have even felt/realized it himself.

I was yelling at them to get on the ball, but I had the benefit of a tv camera focused on the ball glancing off the helmet with the officials in the background giving the tip signal. I wonder if they're taught to look to the officials for the tip sign if they're unsure?
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: slimz on September 29, 2014, 11:00:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8FkQbfzl4

Watching it again, it was a pretty big screw up by everyone involved. We had multiple players that could have recovered even catching the original out of the air. Also, Prewitt didn't think he could recover it after it was on the ground. The official called it a block right away and I have no idea why the whistle was blown so late. After rewatching I take back much of what I said; it was dumb by our guys not to recover it, but really dumb by whatever official decided to blow the whistle before we tackled the UTEP guy with the ball.

Good find. Looks like the guy who blocked it did realize he did pretty quickly. Looks like 9 and 57 were trying to get it after the first bounce and got in each other's way.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: meow meow on September 29, 2014, 11:13:02 AM
If I see Kaleb's name spelled Prewitt one more time, I'm gonna blow my head off with a shotgun
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Panjandrum on September 29, 2014, 11:42:41 AM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network), but let's say that Del retired at the end of this year, Rhoads got fired, and we brought Mangino in to be OC/AHC to help prop him up, then I'd be more okay with it.

That said, if Bill walks out that door, and Hayes goes with him, I'd be curious to see who Sean would promote or find as the DC.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2014, 11:47:17 AM
If I see Kaleb's name spelled Prewitt one more time, I'm gonna blow my head off with a shotgun

Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2014, 11:56:55 AM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network), but let's say that Del retired at the end of this year, Rhoads got fired, and we brought Mangino in to be OC/AHC to help prop him up, then I'd be more okay with it.

That said, if Bill walks out that door, and Hayes goes with him, I'd be curious to see who Sean would promote or find as the DC.

 :barf:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: everyone shut up on September 29, 2014, 12:03:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8FkQbfzl4

Watching it again, it was a pretty big screw up by everyone involved. We had multiple players that could have recovered even catching the original out of the air. Also, Prewitt didn't think he could recover it after it was on the ground. The official called it a block right away and I have no idea why the whistle was blown so late. After rewatching I take back much of what I said; it was dumb by our guys not to recover it, but really dumb by whatever official decided to blow the whistle before we tackled the UTEP guy with the ball.
clearly more than one official blew his whistle. i want to know why multiple dumbasses were officiating, and what they thought was a fumble.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: meow meow on September 29, 2014, 12:04:19 PM
If Mangino couldn't win consistently at KU, what makes people think he'd be able to do it at a place with worse facilities, less tradition, and harder place to recruit?  Honest question.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: wiley on September 29, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
If I see Kaleb's name spelled Prewitt one more time, I'm gonna blow my head off with a shotgun

Prewitt     :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Gooch on September 29, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network), but let's say that Del retired at the end of this year, Rhoads got fired, and we brought Mangino in to be OC/AHC to help prop him up, then I'd be more okay with it.

That said, if Bill walks out that door, and Hayes goes with him, I'd be curious to see who Sean would promote or find as the DC.
Who's running the fryers at the Manhattan Tanners?
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Panjandrum on September 29, 2014, 12:29:38 PM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network), but let's say that Del retired at the end of this year, Rhoads got fired, and we brought Mangino in to be OC/AHC to help prop him up, then I'd be more okay with it.

That said, if Bill walks out that door, and Hayes goes with him, I'd be curious to see who Sean would promote or find as the DC.

 :barf:

Barfing what exactly?

Mangino?

Sean hiring a DC?
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
I'm pretty sure he means hiring assistants and coordinators and I agree completely.

I don't think Sean is a terrible ST coordinator and he's done a fine job running the operations side of the football program for a long time, but that doesn't make him head coach material. IMHO he's not largely respected as a coach by others in the profession and as a result he would have a really difficult time hiring quality coordinators and assistants. I think it would be a train wreck waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on September 29, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
I'm pretty sure he means hiring assistants and coordinators and I agree completely.

I don't think Sean is a terrible ST coordinator and he's done a fine job running the operations side of the football program for a long time, but that doesn't make him head coach material. IMHO he's not largely respected as a coach by others in the profession and as a result he would have a really difficult time hiring quality coordinators and assistants. I think it would be a train wreck waiting to happen.
Hiring good coordinators and assistants is the most important aspect of coaching at K-State.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: CNS on September 29, 2014, 01:58:33 PM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network),

This would be my concern too.  Who would be the assists?  Without being OC or DC in his career, why would worthy/proven assistants come work under him?  If I was an OC or DC candidate, I would be tentative, at best, to work under someone who I felt I was better qualified than.

Why would we want him given that we don't know his level of experience with offense or defensive scheme?  I would also worry about Bill's influence over him.  I don't know if it is true or not, but I am assuming Sean is not Bill and therefore may not be up to doing exactly what Bill does exactly how Bill does it, yet Sean could find himself having to try because of retired Bill in his ear and the whole Dad v Son dynamic.  Especially when you factor in our boosters who love how Bill does his job.

Hiring Sean would basically require the position to be given based off of what his Dad told us he has been doing for the last decade or so.  Someone else could be weighed against their responsibilities and performance more fairly if they didn't work for family and it was obvious what their involvement has been and to what extent, imo.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2014, 01:58:49 PM
I'm pretty sure he means hiring assistants and coordinators and I agree completely.

I don't think Sean is a terrible ST coordinator and he's done a fine job running the operations side of the football program for a long time, but that doesn't make him head coach material. IMHO he's not largely respected as a coach by others in the profession and as a result he would have a really difficult time hiring quality coordinators and assistants. I think it would be a train wreck waiting to happen.
Hiring good coordinators and assistants is the most important aspect of coaching at K-State.

Yes, hiring and keeping; see Prince year 1 vs years 2 and 3.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: ksupamplemousse on September 29, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
John Currie is not going to stake his career to Sean Snyder, nor should he. It's just common sense. I'm sure he'll do everything short of killing a man to make sure he gets "his guy".
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 29, 2014, 07:38:56 PM
John Currie is not going to stake his career to Sean Snyder, nor should he. It's just common sense. I'm sure he'll do everything short of killing a man to make sure he gets "his guy".

My concern is that "his guy" is someone like Brady Hoke or Derek Dooley. Brady Hoke would be identical to the oscar Weber hire.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: ksupamplemousse on September 29, 2014, 07:44:38 PM
John Currie is not going to stake his career to Sean Snyder, nor should he. It's just common sense. I'm sure he'll do everything short of killing a man to make sure he gets "his guy".

My concern is that "his guy" is someone like Brady Hoke or Derek Dooley. Brady Hoke would be identical to the oscar Weber hire.

That's my concern as well, but hopefully coming out of the SEC means that he understands how important it is to nail this hire when the time comes. He may be such a giant dork that he thinks that those guys are actually quality hires though  :ohno:
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2014, 09:25:31 PM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network), but let's say that Del retired at the end of this year, Rhoads got fired, and we brought Mangino in to be OC/AHC to help prop him up, then I'd be more okay with it.

That said, if Bill walks out that door, and Hayes goes with him, I'd be curious to see who Sean would promote or find as the DC.

 :barf:

Barfing what exactly?

Mangino?

Sean hiring a DC?

All of it, it all sounds horrendous.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on September 30, 2014, 07:14:18 AM

John Currie is not going to stake his career to Sean Snyder, nor should he. It's just common sense. I'm sure he'll do everything short of killing a man to make sure he gets "his guy".

My concern is that "his guy" is someone like Brady Hoke or Derek Dooley. Brady Hoke would be identical to the oscar Weber hire.

Weber hire was way worse at the time than hoke would be now.  That said pretty much any time I stake a position out on K-State head coaches I am wrong.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Panjandrum on September 30, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
I'm anti-Sean as head coach (I'd like the replacement to be a little more well traveled to help cultivate a larger network), but let's say that Del retired at the end of this year, Rhoads got fired, and we brought Mangino in to be OC/AHC to help prop him up, then I'd be more okay with it.

That said, if Bill walks out that door, and Hayes goes with him, I'd be curious to see who Sean would promote or find as the DC.

 :barf:

Barfing what exactly?

Mangino?

Sean hiring a DC?

All of it, it all sounds horrendous.

My scenario is what happens if the worst case scenario comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: Skipper44 on September 30, 2014, 02:39:23 PM
I'm pretty sure he means hiring assistants and coordinators and I agree completely.

I don't think Sean is a terrible ST coordinator and he's done a fine job running the operations side of the football program for a long time, but that doesn't make him head coach material. IMHO he's not largely respected as a coach by others in the profession and as a result he would have a really difficult time hiring quality coordinators and assistants. I think it would be a train wreck waiting to happen.
Heck, there have been grumblings of SS's popularity within former cat players let alone CFB at large.  The HCIW for Sean stuff truly is the most illogical thing Bill has ever sad.
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: kso_FAN on October 09, 2014, 11:44:02 AM
First edition of ADV stats for STs are out. Not looking real good right now: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feist

#69 is by far the worst we've been in a while.

Since Bill came back here is where we finished each season in ST:
2009 - #18
2010 - #9
2011 - #28
2012 - #1
2013 - #33
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: pissclams on October 09, 2014, 02:00:15 PM
wtf sean? that guy has been busy shopping for his new office furniture #andersoncomplex #clipart #kufb
Title: Re: Sean (no gE'ing in this thread)
Post by: meow meow on October 09, 2014, 03:23:31 PM
wtf sean? that guy has been busy shopping for his new office furniture #andersoncomplex #clipart #kufb

heard he's gonna model the new ku uniforms after the NE Patriots, and create a PowerJay logo (will look very similar to a mocking jay from what i'm told)