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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: AndrewVonLintel on August 30, 2014, 11:57:38 PM
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It was a pretty solid victory for the 2014 edition of the Kansas State Wildcats. I enjoyed the game very much and I came away satisfied with almost everything going on.
The Good
Tailgating was solid. Good crowds, Good temperatures for an opening game, good food and saw plenty of friends
Stadium was well prepared, sound seemed good, band was pretty good for an opener, crowd was pretty fired up at the start of the game.
Water is a stud and seemed to be running everything pretty well. I thought he really spread the ball around and made a lot of good decisions.
Play clock was well managed and we only had a couple close calls.
Running back situation impressed me overall. I liked what Robinson, Charles Jones and Leverett brought today. By my calculations the Running backs averaged about 5.6 yards per carry.
It was nice to see a lot of backups in the 4th quarter.
Defense stopped the running game and only allowed 69 yards for the game.
Only 3 penalties
Only 1 turnover
5.9 yards per play on offense
Only 1 punt
Overall I thought the receivers did a good job of getting open and caught most of the passes thrown at them.
Also 37 minutes of possesion compared to 22 minutes for SFA.
The Bad
Schellenberg with only one tackle. He needs to get better at his angles. He needs to put himself in a position to make plays. Secondary overall wasn't very impressive.
Lockett playing so little makes me sad and a little bit worried
It is too bad that Oklahoma State couldn't have knocked Florida State out of the playoff picture today.
Football season is here
I love it.
K-State is still in the hunt for a playoff spot :ksu:
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I don't know whether to be worried about Lockett or not. Hoping staff realizes he hasn't been healthy for a whole season his whole career and any extra mileage against SFA is unneeded.
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Mostly agree not playing Lockett was a drag but honestly why play him all that much there was nothing to gain with everything to lose.
The defense also had a vanilla plan today with the offense so who really knows what we have on either side.
Let Whitehair not have a serious injury.
Next up Iowa State!
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
Klein didn't suit up. Looked like maybe he had a shoulder wrap on under his jersey. Davis was in for some 4th quarter time. No TGTs.
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
Klein didn't suit up. Looked like maybe he had a shoulder wrap on under his jersey. Davis was in for some 4th quarter time. No TGTs.
Saw the same thing with Klein. They're tough folks. He'll be fine.
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OP: I thought the sound system was terrible again. ADJC says it will be fixed.
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
Klein didn't suit up. Looked like maybe he had a shoulder wrap on under his jersey. Davis was in for some 4th quarter time. No TGTs.
thx
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Really have no idea what to take away from tonight. It was the typical vanilla performance. There's obviously no depth behind Waters but then we had no backup QB in '10,'11, or '12. You have to think WR will be better with a healthy Lockett but w/o him what do we really have at that position? Elijah Lee and the RBs were a nice surprise. A Whitehair injury is pretty awful. The D was scary at times. No pass rush and the secondary and the LBs were mediocre. I just don't even know.
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
Klein didn't suit up. Looked like maybe he had a shoulder wrap on under his jersey. Davis was in for some 4th quarter time. No TGTs.
Wasn't Davis the one that dropped that little shovel pass in the 1st quarter? The one that set up like an end around
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
Klein didn't suit up. Looked like maybe he had a shoulder wrap on under his jersey. Davis was in for some 4th quarter time. No TGTs.
Wasn't Davis the one that dropped that little shovel pass in the 1st quarter? The one that set up like an end around
If Davis is #2, yes.
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So Whitehair was injured during the game, or didn't play because of an injury? TIA, wasn't able to watch the game yesterday.
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So Whitehair was injured during the game, or didn't play because of an injury? TIA, wasn't able to watch the game yesterday.
you're a terrible fan. he was injured during the game.
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Bad: Amount of trash our White Trash fan base leaves in the stands. Imagine the money K-State could save if you messy effs actually picked up your trash.
Sad
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dax!
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I'm assuming Whitehairs injury isn't too bad. Walked off on his own. Hopefully just a rolled ankle.
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Really have no idea what to take away from tonight. It was the typical vanilla performance. There's obviously no depth behind Waters but then we had no backup QB in '10,'11, or '12. You have to think WR will be better with a healthy Lockett but w/o him what do we really have at that position? Elijah Lee and the RBs were a nice surprise. A Whitehair injury is pretty awful. The D was scary at times. No pass rush and the secondary and the LBs were mediocre. I just don't even know.
:dubious:
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we need a todd gurley type player at rb
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we need a todd gurley type player at rb
doesn't everyone? :dunno:
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we need a todd gurley type player at rb
doesn't everyone? :dunno:
yes, especially us though. at this point, i would take a william powell type player.
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I thought Robinson looked ok
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I thought Robinson looked ok
imo, you aren't very good if your longest rush against sfa is 9 yards (in 11 attempts)
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We only had to punt once, ALL DAY! :love:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547839
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Bad: Amount of trash our White Trash fan base leaves in the stands. Imagine the money K-State could save if you messy effs actually picked up your trash.
Sad
is this dax's way of saying he was at the game? i can't tell.
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A lot of good things last night, but shift me to the camp that is worried about wide receiver. Our guys were not able to get open downfield. I pray that Lockett is ok, and that Davis picks it up.
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I thought Robinson looked ok
imo, you aren't very good if your longest rush against sfa is 9 yards (in 11 attempts)
Not a real home run threat but Hubert wasn't either
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Sat in section 21, Row 6...most of the KSU Basketball team was in section 20, same row...when Underwood made an appearance, Gipson & Nino sprinted down the steps to pay their respects...I captured the moment
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl100%2Fmoeron%2FIMAG0157_zps737f8689.jpg&hash=3e951714a501d62f76b09ca52932237abd3ee8e0)
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I will not let my dream of seeing a true stud RB wearing a K-State uniform die. It will happen some day, I just know it.
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i was much more impressed with ndsu's rb (crockett) than ours
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I thought both backs looked solid. Robinson's biggest problem was at least two complete whiffs on pass protection.
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Stop mucking up this thread, Carnes.
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Stop mucking up this thread, Carnes.
fanning please
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Jones was really good at the Daniel Sams running game.
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Jones was really good at the Daniel Sams running game.
yeah, he was the most impressive back imo. but i don't like to judge a back based off of the wildcat.
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Brad's hair is a homerun threat tho
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i wish we could bring back ron prince to recruit rbs
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Both backs showed solid burst and did a nice job getting vertical. I appreciate when guys don't try to bounce everything. I thought both were good at finding running lanes with the Cats' inside zone blocking schemes. Besides a few pass pro breakdowns I don't see any reason for concern after game 1.
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I will not let my dream of seeing a true stud RB wearing a K-State uniform die. It will happen some day, I just know it.
If you didn't consider Sproles a true stud you might want to let that dream go.
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Yup, Kstate running backs are a giant collection of crap, never a single stud ever
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Both backs seemed to be as capable as Hubert was. I don't see any problems there other than some missed blocks. I have no major concerns about the offense save maybe the o-line depth. Defense and kicking game have some major question marks though....
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I will not let my dream of seeing a true stud RB wearing a K-State uniform die. It will happen some day, I just know it.
If you didn't consider Sproles a true stud you might want to let that dream go.
I thought that Daniel Thomas guy was pretty good while he was here as well.
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We're one Logan dold away from winning it all, you guys!
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I will not let my dream of seeing a true stud RB wearing a K-State uniform die. It will happen some day, I just know it.
If you didn't consider Sproles a true stud you might want to let that dream go.
I thought that Daniel Thomas guy was pretty good while he was here as well.
probably the most overrated k-state player ever behind arthur brown
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I will not let my dream of seeing a true stud RB wearing a K-State uniform die. It will happen some day, I just know it.
If you didn't consider Sproles a true stud you might want to let that dream go.
Different kind of stud.
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I will not let my dream of seeing a true stud RB wearing a K-State uniform die. It will happen some day, I just know it.
If you didn't consider Sproles a true stud you might want to let that dream go.
I thought that Daniel Thomas guy was pretty good while he was here as well.
probably the most overrated k-state player ever behind arthur brown
Well, what a rough ridin' surprise.
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Bryce brown wore the uni dax.
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I thought Robinson looked ok
imo, you aren't very good if your longest rush against sfa is 9 yards (in 11 attempts)
Not a real home run threat but Hubert wasn't either
Thomas wasn't even a home run threat. The vast majority of RBs we've had under Snyder are Big Ten style grinders. These backs are more than capable of playing that role.
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Snyder has had plenty of really solid college backs; guys like Gallon, Hickson, Lawrence, and Hubert. Then a couple a notch above in Scobey and Thomas. Then a complete stud in Sproles. Nothing wrong with the quality of backs during his tenure.
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I thought both backs looked solid. Robinson's biggest problem was at least two complete whiffs on pass protection.
Yeah, the one where he got Waters nailed was pretty bad. Other than that, I'm not sure how much better fans could have expected. I thought they both had at least the same burst as Hubert and Dmac's pass catching was very sexy.
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I thought both backs looked solid. Robinson's biggest problem was at least two complete whiffs on pass protection.
Yeah, the one where he got Waters nailed was pretty bad. Other than that, I'm not sure how much better fans could have expected. I thought they both had at least the same burst as Hubert and Dmac's pass catching was very sexy.
i pretty much hated hubert. hate might be a strong word, but i didn't like him
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Nobody cares, Carnes.
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fanning, why are you so obsessed with me? i don't get it
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fanning, why are you so obsessed with me? i don't get it
Your act is old and unoriginal. It's mucking up the board.
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fanning, why are you so obsessed with me? i don't get it
Your act is old and unoriginal. It's mucking up the board.
shut up you half wit. you become enraged when anyone says something you disagree with. you belong at gpc.
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I thought both backs looked solid. Robinson's biggest problem was at least two complete whiffs on pass protection.
Yeah, the one where he got Waters nailed was pretty bad. Other than that, I'm not sure how much better fans could have expected. I thought they both had at least the same burst as Hubert and Dmac's pass catching was very sexy.
i pretty much hated hubert. hate might be a strong word, but i didn't like him
Is there anything you don't hate?
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Bad: Amount of trash our White Trash fan base leaves in the stands. Imagine the money K-State could save if you messy effs actually picked up your trash.
Sad
is this dax's way of saying he was at the game? i can't tell.
lol
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Snyder has had plenty of really solid college backs; guys like Gallon, Hickson, Lawrence, and Hubert. Then a couple a notch above in Scobey and Thomas. Then a complete stud in Sproles. Nothing wrong with the quality of backs during his tenure.
I know what dax is saying though. Even the RB from NDSU looks more physically imposing than anyone we have right now. In BS's offense it does seem like we should have more studs consistently.
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Snyder has had plenty of really solid college backs; guys like Gallon, Hickson, Lawrence, and Hubert. Then a couple a notch above in Scobey and Thomas. Then a complete stud in Sproles. Nothing wrong with the quality of backs during his tenure.
I know what dax is saying though. Even the RB from NDSU looks more physically imposing than anyone we have right now. In BS's offense it does seem like we should have more studs consistently.
Not saying we have a bunch of 5 stars back there but everyone looks like a major college back to me. I mean I'd take a Derrick Henry but what we have looks legit
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Snyder has had plenty of really solid college backs; guys like Gallon, Hickson, Lawrence, and Hubert. Then a couple a notch above in Scobey and Thomas. Then a complete stud in Sproles. Nothing wrong with the quality of backs during his tenure.
I know what dax is saying though. Even the RB from NDSU looks more physically imposing than anyone we have right now. In BS's offense it does seem like we should have more studs consistently.
Not saying we have a bunch of 5 stars back there but everyone looks like a major college back to me. I mean I'd take a Derrick Henry but what we have looks legit
I mean, I know I can't have everything I want. I just wish I could.
In this day and age lots of things are more important than having a stud rb anyways.
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Big negative, the cell phone sitch :flush: last season I could at least use my phone, last night it was bad, like circa 2009 bad. WTF
I didn't think Waters looked comfortable in the pocket. I don't know if it was because of line, receivers inability to separate, Jake being spastic and scared, or all three off these things.
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It seems like the OL still sucks.
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Imagine how garbagey this offense will be when Lockett inevitably goes down. I've said this before but it needs to be repeated.
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Dsams man. What could have been.
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Imagine how garbagey this offense will be when Lockett inevitably goes down. I've said this before but it needs to be repeated.
imagine how bad the offense will be next year. we may not make a bowl game.
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Imagine how garbagey this offense will be when Lockett inevitably goes down. I've said this before but it needs to be repeated.
I don't think anyone wants to think about it. It's a scary thought, and also infuriating because having Sams makes the loss of Lockett less devastating.
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Yes solid backs and one stud (as long as there was a capable dual threat QB lining up in the backfield with him).
Like I've said before, everybody loved all of Hubert and he was a nice little back and a nice little story. Sad thing is, that in 2012 and 2013, Darren Sproles or a real stud likely goes to NYC instead of Klein because of the massive holes and space that Klein and the offense would have provided him to house many long runs that Hubert made into nice little runs.
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Dinkmentia Vu.
Solid efforts from both backs, considering many thought they would struggle to replace John Hubert. But that’s not where the running-back rotation ends. When a reporter asked K-State coach LHC Bill Snyder about the game’s top two rushers, Snyder asked why Judah Jones wasn’t mentioned in the question.
"How about Judah Jones?" Snyder said. "Judah made some people miss him, right? We need to stop being stubborn and make sure that he gets the opportunity to do that."
Judah Jones, a hybrid receiver/runner, rushed for 24 yards on two carries in the fourth quarter.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/article1337965.html#storylink=cpy
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Judah, don't miss that check down in practice on Tuesday and you'll get more touches on Saturday.
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nathan doesn't think the sacks are anything to worry about yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnJelu5Ook (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnJelu5Ook)
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The tuck in me wants to point out successful sessions we've had where we didn't look perfect first game. The non tuck in me wants to point out years where we beat the crap out of crappy teams first game of the season.
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nathan doesn't think the sacks are anything to worry about yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnJelu5Ook (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnJelu5Ook)
:thumbs:
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
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this place has been attracting some really weird posters lately
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
Give it time, some good discussion will come. And this thread wasn't all bad.
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
Oh, it is on. It is on like...
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
Give it time, some good discussion will come. And this thread wasn't all bad.
Are you going to watch the game again and tell me why our quarterback looked like the happy feet penguins in the pocket?
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
Give it time, some good discussion will come. And this thread wasn't all bad.
Are you going to watch the game again and tell me why our quarterback looked like the happy feet penguins in the pocket?
I would like to.
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
You don't get just drive by, show us your brilliant football mind bro.
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Jesus this board really is a collection of complete ftards.....it was even started by one one in Fatty... all loveable ftards. but actual intelligent sports talk just sort of flies out the window.
Give it time, some good discussion will come. And this thread wasn't all bad.
Are you going to watch the game again and tell me why our quarterback looked like the happy feet penguins in the pocket?
I would like to.
I saw parts of the first half and didn't notice happy feet at all. I thought he looked sharp and was distributing the ball well to several different receivers and in different segments of the field.
I thought Jake looked really good up to about midway through the second quarter. But I need to see the rest of the game.
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You call that good football discussion? I want MOAR!!!!
Gonna win 'em all!
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Dinkmentia Vu.
Solid efforts from both backs, considering many thought they would struggle to replace John Hubert. But that’s not where the running-back rotation ends. When a reporter asked K-State coach LHC Bill Snyder about the game’s top two rushers, Snyder asked why Judah Jones wasn’t mentioned in the question.
"How about Judah Jones?" Snyder said. "Judah made some people miss him, right? We need to stop being stubborn and make sure that he gets the opportunity to do that."
Judah Jones, a hybrid receiver/runner, rushed for 24 yards on two carries in the fourth quarter.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/article1337965.html#storylink=cpy
People overlook this. I think it is concerning. I'd like to know who's running the show. It's a valid question, as over the course of last season and now week 1 this year, these quotes continue.
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I thought we looked great to start then sort of lost interest. I also think we're still going 14-0
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I thought Robinson looked ok
I concur with that observation, our guy looks good. T.I.A. for sharing this wonderful specimen. :cheers:
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Waters completed 67.9% 8.0 yards per attempt and a 151.2 Rating
Trevor Knight went 55.9% 7.4 yards per attempt and a 122.2 rating.
We all know that Waters numbers were pretty good and that most of it was without our best receiver.
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Dinkmentia Vu.
Solid efforts from both backs, considering many thought they would struggle to replace John Hubert. But that’s not where the running-back rotation ends. When a reporter asked K-State coach LHC Bill Snyder about the game’s top two rushers, Snyder asked why Judah Jones wasn’t mentioned in the question.
"How about Judah Jones?" Snyder said. "Judah made some people miss him, right? We need to stop being stubborn and make sure that he gets the opportunity to do that."
Judah Jones, a hybrid receiver/runner, rushed for 24 yards on two carries in the fourth quarter.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/article1337965.html#storylink=cpy
People overlook this. I think it is concerning. I'd like to know who's running the show. It's a valid question, as over the course of last season and now week 1 this year, these quotes continue.
since this pertains to running backs, dana dimel.
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Dinkmentia Vu.
Solid efforts from both backs, considering many thought they would struggle to replace John Hubert. But that’s not where the running-back rotation ends. When a reporter asked K-State coach LHC Bill Snyder about the game’s top two rushers, Snyder asked why Judah Jones wasn’t mentioned in the question.
"How about Judah Jones?" Snyder said. "Judah made some people miss him, right? We need to stop being stubborn and make sure that he gets the opportunity to do that."
Judah Jones, a hybrid receiver/runner, rushed for 24 yards on two carries in the fourth quarter.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/article1337965.html#storylink=cpy
People overlook this. I think it is concerning. I'd like to know who's running the show. It's a valid question, as over the course of last season and now week 1 this year, these quotes continue.
What's wrong with the quote? Judah made people miss on a run and on a nice punt return?
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Waters completed 67.9% 8.0 yards per attempt and a 151.2 Rating
Trevor Knight went 55.9% 7.4 yards per attempt and a 122.2 rating.
We all know that Waters numbers were pretty good and that most of it was without our best receiver.
I completely forgot about your love for stats that have no context or relevance.
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Waters completed 67.9% 8.0 yards per attempt and a 151.2 Rating
Trevor Knight went 55.9% 7.4 yards per attempt and a 122.2 rating.
We all know that Waters numbers were pretty good and that most of it was without our best receiver.
I completely forgot about your love for stats that have no context or relevance.
Maybe what he's saying is who gives a flying flip about what he looks like in the pocket as long as the results are there? Peyton Manning does a weird happy feet dance thing every time he drops back. Or maybe you are talking about the sacks?
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I don't care if he does backflips back there as long as he's effective, which he was
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I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game yet, but my initial impression was that Waters was really solid. It seems like the staff is giving him a lot of freedom for checks at the line of scrimmage; if you noticed the first several drives we were breaking the huddle with 30-35 seconds left on the play clock and getting set quickly, it was almost no huddle at times. Its seemed that often Waters was calling the play at the LOS (occasionally a check with me to the sideline). Of course against a team like SFA that package of plays he's allowed to call is probably fairly limited, but I'm sure we'll see that get expanded the next couple of weeks. Outside the 3 and out to start the 2nd half, I thought the offense was both effective and efficient, which IMO is even more impressive since Lockett's play was limited.
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I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game yet, but my initial impression was that Waters was really solid. It seems like the staff is giving him a lot of freedom for checks at the line of scrimmage; if you noticed the first several drives we were breaking the huddle with 30-35 seconds left on the play clock and getting set quickly, it was almost no huddle at times. Its seemed that often Waters was calling the play at the LOS (occasionally a check with me to the sideline). Of course against a team like SFA that package of plays he's allowed to call is probably fairly limited, but I'm sure we'll see that get expanded the next couple of weeks. Outside the 3 and out to start the 2nd half, I thought the offense was both effective and efficient, which IMO is even more impressive since Lockett's play was limited.
I thought the play calling was a little less vanilla than usual. I figured it was due to Jake checking into different plays. Though running Wildcat formation must have been on the coaches.
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When Lockett's out, "effective" and "solid" won't cut the mustard.
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When Lockett's out, "effective" and "solid" won't cut the mustard.
Of course we aren't going to beat good teams without Lockett; he and Waters are 1A and 1B when it comes to our most important offensive players. However, we also still moved the ball and scored points without him playing much, which doesn't say a lot, but it wasn't as bad as our other FCS games during Snyder 2; even 2012 Missouri State when we only led 16-9 at halftime.
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Aside from the really nice out route to Trujillo, did we let him throw anything beyond 15 yards?
The first few quarters were clinical Snyderball. High efficiency passing, solid rushing, and methodical drives. It was like a Klein drive, but with Chad May under center.
Jake was spinning some of those tosses, too. He wasn't perfect, but he got a lot better at the underneath stuff, which is what he struggled with last year.
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Did Kyle Klein move positions again? Sexton, Cook, Burton being the main playmakers behind a possibly hobbled Lockett concerns me. Also, no Andre Davis?
Klein didn't suit up. Looked like maybe he had a shoulder wrap on under his jersey. Davis was in for some 4th quarter time. No TGTs.
Saw the same thing with Klein. They're tough folks. He'll be fine.
I heard that he has a bulging disk in his neck and his career is done. I was creeping on some conversation around our seats so source C-.
Is this the same injury were you can have the disks fused together? Not real familiar with the injury and how it affects their risk in playing.
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I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game yet, but my initial impression was that Waters was really solid. It seems like the staff is giving him a lot of freedom for checks at the line of scrimmage; if you noticed the first several drives we were breaking the huddle with 30-35 seconds left on the play clock and getting set quickly, it was almost no huddle at times. Its seemed that often Waters was calling the play at the LOS (occasionally a check with me to the sideline). Of course against a team like SFA that package of plays he's allowed to call is probably fairly limited, but I'm sure we'll see that get expanded the next couple of weeks. Outside the 3 and out to start the 2nd half, I thought the offense was both effective and efficient, which IMO is even more impressive since Lockett's play was limited.
also haven't rewatched the game, but i felt like he was waiting way too long to find an open receiver. he would drop back and nothing would be there. could be due to receivers not getting open, but at the time it felt like to me we were relying too much on scrambling/check downs. i could be wrong. it feels weird being concerned about it because he completed his first what, six or seven passes?
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is anyone going to put this on youtube? or is it impossible because kstatehd.tv
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i can't even find any highlights online :frown:
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i can't even find any highlights online :frown:
Highlights are free on kstatehd.tv: http://www.kstatesports.com/collegesportslive/
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also haven't rewatched the game, but i felt like he was waiting way too long to find an open receiver. he would drop back and nothing would be there. could be due to receivers not getting open, but at the time it felt like to me we were relying too much on scrambling/check downs. i could be wrong. it feels weird being concerned about it because he completed his first what, six or seven passes?
I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing.
My impression was that the new staff at SFA learned from last year and they were absolutely not going to give up big plays against us, so they played deep zones which took away our vertical and even intermediate passing a game. IMO, this was a big reason we didn't have a lot of huge plays, in either the passing game or the running game, but we had plenty of effective plays. As a result we ended up having open guys underneath and Waters ended up hitting his backs out of the backfield often because a) they were able to release because SFA didn't blitz much and b) Waters did a good job going through his progression and not forcing balls down the field. Also, we were able to get bodies on the defenders in the box, leading to a number of 4-8 yard runs, but because those safeties were deep they could come up and make tackles, but after we had effective runs. So within a simplified offensive package, Waters was able to avoid mistakes and the offense was mostly effective.
The first 4 drives resulted in TDs. Even the final drive of the 1st half the offense moved 38 yards in 50 seconds with only 1 TO, Cantele just missed the FG.
The 2nd half was less effective with a 3 an out, an INT, and a FG along with 2 more TD drives. Still, on 10 drives with Waters in the game the offense scored 45 points. 7 of the first 8 were effective drives (counting the missed FG before half) resulting in 6 TDs for the offense. I'm not disappointed at all in that effort.
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Where's @houcat when you need him? I need a replay of this game. I started browning out after halftime. :ksu:
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You must be a hell of a light weight Commander McBragg.
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Huge plus if we can have a RB as a threat to catch the ball. Been missing that last few years it seems.
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Where's @houcat when you need him? I need a replay of this game. I started browning out after halftime. :ksu:
This!! I've checked his youtube feed 3 times since the game and haven't seen it up yet.
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You must be a hell of a light weight Commander McBragg.
Meh. Not really.
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Waters completed 67.9% 8.0 yards per attempt and a 151.2 Rating
Trevor Knight went 55.9% 7.4 yards per attempt and a 122.2 rating.
We all know that Waters numbers were pretty good and that most of it was without our best receiver.
I completely forgot about your love for stats that have no context or relevance.
Maybe what he's saying is who gives a flying flip about what he looks like in the pocket as long as the results are there? Peyton Manning does a weird happy feet dance thing every time he drops back. Or maybe you are talking about the sacks?
The numbers have little relevance against SFA and comparing them to Knight is weird. I'm not talking about the sack I don't remember him getting sacked for holding the ball too long. He just didn't look comfortable in the pocket and like I said it may not be his fault. He looked like he did early last season.
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Felt like quite a bit of check-with-me throughout the first 3 quarters. Also wondered why we ran QB power in the 4th instead of giving 1 of 4 guys vying for carries a few more touches. Weird choice.
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Where's @houcat when you need him? I need a replay of this game. I started browning out after halftime. :ksu:
Wouldn't your history suggest it is more of a "yellow" out?
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Where's @houcat when you need him? I need a replay of this game. I started browning out after halftime. :ksu:
Wouldn't your history suggest it is more of a "yellow" out?
Nope.
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:surprised:
:ohno:
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lol
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Are we going to get a _fan blog for this game?
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"He didn't look smooth in the pocket" is black for white people's "he doesn't understand the playbook".
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"He didn't look smooth in the pocket""
I think you are the first person in the history of the world to say that. How in the hell does one look smooth in the pocket?
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Waters completed 67.9% 8.0 yards per attempt and a 151.2 Rating
Trevor Knight went 55.9% 7.4 yards per attempt and a 122.2 rating.
We all know that Waters numbers were pretty good and that most of it was without our best receiver.
I completely forgot about your love for stats that have no context or relevance.
Maybe what he's saying is who gives a flying flip about what he looks like in the pocket as long as the results are there? Peyton Manning does a weird happy feet dance thing every time he drops back. Or maybe you are talking about the sacks?
The numbers have little relevance against SFA and comparing them to Knight is weird. I'm not talking about the sack I don't remember him getting sacked for holding the ball too long. He just didn't look comfortable in the pocket and like I said it may not be his fault. He looked like he did early last season.
I was comparing Waters to the QB of the #3 ranked team in the country that happens to be in our conference. Obviously La Tech and Stephen F Austin are not the same team but 67% is a good day and 55% is not.
My attempt was to use some statistics to help back up my opinion that Waters had a good day and I thought he looked comfortable in the pocket (for the most part).
I know that goEMAW users are generally a smart bunch and wouldn't need me to waste their time by writing unnecessary paragraphs that can easily be put into context if they have been following the thread.
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Waters completed 67.9% 8.0 yards per attempt and a 151.2 Rating
Trevor Knight went 55.9% 7.4 yards per attempt and a 122.2 rating.
We all know that Waters numbers were pretty good and that most of it was without our best receiver.
I completely forgot about your love for stats that have no context or relevance.
Maybe what he's saying is who gives a flying flip about what he looks like in the pocket as long as the results are there? Peyton Manning does a weird happy feet dance thing every time he drops back. Or maybe you are talking about the sacks?
The numbers have little relevance against SFA and comparing them to Knight is weird. I'm not talking about the sack I don't remember him getting sacked for holding the ball too long. He just didn't look comfortable in the pocket and like I said it may not be his fault. He looked like he did early last season.
I was comparing Waters to the QB of the #3 ranked team in the country that happens to be in our conference. Obviously La Tech and Stephen F Austin are not the same team but 67% is a good day and 55% is not.
My attempt was to use some statistics to help back up my opinion that Waters had a good day and I thought he looked comfortable in the pocket (for the most part).
I know that goEMAW users are generally a smart bunch and wouldn't need me to waste their time by writing unnecessary paragraphs that can easily be put into context if they have been following the thread.
Using selected offensive stats from one of the worst defensive teams in the FCS is farcical. Comparing the stats to another player in another completely unrelated game against a far better opponent to "strengthen" your point is at best intellectual dishonesty.
I'm talking about how uncomfortable he looked in the pocket, handpicked stats doesn't really add much to that, even more so when a good statistical game was expected. If you didn't see the game or notice his pocket presence you could have just said so.
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"He didn't look smooth in the pocket""
I think you are the first person in the history of the world to say that. How in the hell does one look smooth in the pocket?
Slow your roll, bigot.
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Dinkmentia Vu.
Solid efforts from both backs, considering many thought they would struggle to replace John Hubert. But that’s not where the running-back rotation ends. When a reporter asked K-State coach LHC Bill Snyder about the game’s top two rushers, Snyder asked why Judah Jones wasn’t mentioned in the question.
"How about Judah Jones?" Snyder said. "Judah made some people miss him, right? We need to stop being stubborn and make sure that he gets the opportunity to do that."
Judah Jones, a hybrid receiver/runner, rushed for 24 yards on two carries in the fourth quarter.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/article1337965.html#storylink=cpy
People overlook this. I think it is concerning. I'd like to know who's running the show. It's a valid question, as over the course of last season and now week 1 this year, these quotes continue.
BS basically acts as CEO, president, and God of the program at this point. He makes the big decisions, signs off on scholies, personnel stuff, offensive and defensive philosophy stuff, but he doesn't do most of the in-game play calls and subs anymore. Hasn't for a few years. That's why these quotes keep popping up.
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I still don't see what's dementia-y about that quote.
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I didn't think he looked jittery in the pocket, looked downright confident compared to last year.
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MIR and Andrew quit rubbing your dicks on each other and eff already.
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I'm just going to say it...
I'm thrilled that we had nine balls caught by RB/FB/TE.
It's, like, hey, those guys are capable of having the ball thrown to them, too. We never seem to do that enough.
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I didn't think he looked jittery in the pocket, looked downright confident compared to last year.
I agree last year he maybe went through two progressions and would start looking to get the hell out. Not only does he understand all of the tertiary routes better but I think he has more confidence in the line that's in front of him. He showed that improvement late last year.
He's also improved in reading the defense, knowing what the pass blocking scheme is and where he can escape is something you can only get with experience working with the line in game situations.
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I'm just going to say it...
I'm thrilled that we had nine balls caught by RB/FB/TE.
It's, like, hey, those guys are capable of having the ball thrown to them, too. We never seem to do that enough.
Yeah it always seems like we leave a lot of yardage on the field by not utilizing these guys more as pass catchers. Like it for 3rd down conversions as well.
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Any luck finding a link to watch last weeks game yet? TIA
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Any luck finding a link to watch last weeks game yet? TIA
www.kstatehd.tv (http://www.kstatehd.tv)
:dunno: