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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
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I just had a friend who died while waiting to receiving a heart transplant.
I'm trying to think of a single reason why someone would choose not to donate their organs if they died and I can't think of a single one.
Anyone have any?
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So he donated his organs then?
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Some religions don't allow it
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Fear that they might assume you are dead / just let you die because they really need to harvest your organs soon to save someone else.
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So he donated his organs then?
Yes, she did.
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Cool. I'll admit this isn't something I've thought much about.
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natural selection
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some people are afraid that if they are organ donors than they would be murdered for their organs or that the doctors wouldnt try to save them so they could use their organs for other people.
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Most don't because it's opt-in. When polled people indicated they really didn't have an issue with it, just didn't think about it. I'm all for changing it to opt-out like many countries.
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very sorry to hear about your loss, matt.
the donor program needs to be opt-out. i really want to be a donor, but idk if i've even signed my license like i need to. a big holdup is the fact that i don't plan on dying for about 55 years.
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I'm a donor. I don't think much of facebook, but one good thing about it that you can list "registered as an organ donor" as a life event. Any little incentive to make it seem cooler to the masses...
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very sorry to hear about your loss, matt.
This. I'm sorry.
There needs to be a much better system for declaring for organ donation and pushing for people to sign up if they are not opposed. I've wondered how much more research could be done with more available organs. I've said this before, but my friend has cancer that spread. It's not the primary cancer that's made him near terminal, but one organ it's spread to. Transplant is relatively common for that organ, but low supply makes him ineligible. There may be methods of transplant then treating the primary cancer, but researcher can't/won't come close to even trying because organs need to go to individuals with better prospects.
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Opted in a long time ago, def look down on people that don't (snob thread? )
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Although most won't admit it, there is a substantial percentage of people who are worried about going to heaven and then not having their corneas or livers or whatever.
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Although most won't admit it, there is a substantial percentage of people who are worried about going to heaven and then not having their corneas or livers or whatever.
Those people sound low/medium at best
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should just open a church that tells those idiots that if they give their organs right now theyll go straight to heaven.
two birds with one stone. boom.
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should just open a church that tells those idiots that if they give their organs right now theyll go straight to heaven.
two birds with one stone. boom.
That church would lose its membership too fast. Not enough members donating. Bankrupt.
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If you don't have all your organs they just leave you in purgatory
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should just open a church that tells those idiots that if they give their organs right now theyll go straight to heaven.
two birds with one stone. boom.
That church would lose its membership too fast. Not enough members donating. Bankrupt.
would make sure they write the church in their wills and also no taxes #nonegativeconsequences
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I opted in. Sadly, I don't think they can use a lot of my important ones.
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So when I had some dental work done, the dentist told me about this gal who needed a bone graft to build up the bone for a single tooth implant. Since it was against her religion to let anybody else's bone to enter her body (Katdaddy no), she basically had a bone bank harvest bone from her jaw, refine it or whatevs, and then came back to the dentist with it for her procedure. Ended up costing her a fortune that insurance didn't cover. I always wondered if her religion allowed organ donations tho
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this is slightly long but on topic.
one of my hermeneutics & new testament profs (yes i went to seminary) fielded a question about tattoos & piercings in class and he said a Christian should not get them as they would still have those in their glorified body in heaven (still don't see why that would be an issue) and used a text where the Christ showed his nail marks to a doubting disciple after his resurection as proof that your heavenly body is the same as your final earthly body, only eternal. so then someone brought up organ donation. he said absolutely not don't do it, using the same reasoning. at this point i was pretty pissed about the garbage he was teaching, not that i don't believe in God because i do but because he was taking a verse and ripping it out of context to back up his thought. i took his argument and ran with it and said i feel sorry for Christian's that die in fires as they will spend eternity looking like a neglected marshmellow over a camp fire and even further yet, the Christians that die in explosions that would have to have someone carry their exploded body parts all over heaven for them throughout eternity. i was asked to leave for the remainder of the lecture.
tl;dr cliffs: as a Christian i strongly believe that the religion argument used by some Christians is absolutely ridiculous.
sorry about you loss Matt, fellow organ donor
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thanks for clowning that guy, AST
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thanks for clowning that guy, AST
:cheers: i do what i can when i can
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Doing God's work, ast.
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I also don't care if I have a heart or liver or whatever in the afterlife. Seems like excess weight to carry around to me.
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I also don't care if I have a heart or liver or whatever in the afterlife. Seems like excess weight to carry around to me.
Will it make eating brats and drinking beer easier or harder? I mean, these are the real questions, ppl.
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...and even further yet, the Christians that die in explosions that would have to have someone carry their exploded body parts all over heaven for them throughout eternity.
So, you're saying it's possible that the first thing St. Peter would say upon your arrival at the Pearly Gates is "Someone get this guy a bodybag" ??? :sdeek:
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...and even further yet, the Christians that die in explosions that would have to have someone carry their exploded body parts all over heaven for them throughout eternity.
So, you're saying it's possible that the first thing St. Peter would say upon your arrival at the Pearly Gates is "Someone get this guy a bodybag" ??? :sdeek:
i don't think that but i used the prof's argument and road it all the way to the end of the pasture and vocalized it so he could se how silly it
was
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Who has to carry around the body parts, the lowest ranking angel?
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Who has to carry around the body parts, the lowest ranking angel?
The wife you divorced in your midlife crisis, because you aren't really divorced because it is against church stuff, probs.
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donate, it just completely changed my perspective on heaven. imagine it.
no brains, no headache.
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Who has to carry around the body parts, the lowest ranking angel?
The wife you divorced in your midlife crisis, because you aren't really divorced because it is against church stuff, probs.
So the guy has to go to the afterlife in little bits and his only means of transportation is his ex-wife? Sounds more like hell
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I don't make the rules, CC.
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there are still a lot of people in heaven from when society had classes and stuff so i imagine there are a lot of peons that carry body parts and stuff around. god planned for people to lose their limbs and stuff so he obviously had a plan for someone to be there to help carry.
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Who has to carry around the body parts, the lowest ranking angel?
The wife you divorced in your midlife crisis, because you aren't really divorced because it is against church stuff, probs.
This made me laugh, good post.
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If you have Alzheimer's when you die, does that mean you don't know what is going on the whole time you are in heaven?
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If I die in a stupid shirt do I have to wear that shirt for all infinity?
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look for me and my radiant yellow skin up above, guys
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look for me and my radiant yellow skin up above, guys
jaundice from liver failure?
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:thumbs:
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:cheers:
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Mayhaps Katdaddy will die of penis gigantism, rest his spirit...
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Mayhaps Katdaddy will die of penis gigantism, rest his spirit...
from dust we come and to dust we shall return. That's a real dick in the dirt fact.
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So, we're all in agreement... there are no good reasons not to donate your organs?
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Haven't really thought about it.
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this is slightly long but on topic.
one of my hermeneutics & new testament profs (yes i went to seminary) fielded a question about tattoos & piercings in class and he said a Christian should not get them as they would still have those in their glorified body in heaven (still don't see why that would be an issue) and used a text where the Christ showed his nail marks to a doubting disciple after his resurection as proof that your heavenly body is the same as your final earthly body, only eternal. so then someone brought up organ donation. he said absolutely not don't do it, using the same reasoning. at this point i was pretty pissed about the garbage he was teaching, not that i don't believe in God because i do but because he was taking a verse and ripping it out of context to back up his thought. i took his argument and ran with it and said i feel sorry for Christian's that die in fires as they will spend eternity looking like a neglected marshmellow over a camp fire and even further yet, the Christians that die in explosions that would have to have someone carry their exploded body parts all over heaven for them throughout eternity. i was asked to leave for the remainder of the lecture.
tl;dr cliffs: as a Christian i strongly believe that the religion argument used by some Christians is absolutely ridiculous.
sorry about you loss Matt, fellow organ donor
if you don't mind my asking, which branch of christianity was your seminary? also, did you ask him if Paul just carries his own head around or whatever? and what about all the 1st and 2nd century martyrs that got eaten by lions in the coliseum? are those guys just s.o.l.? it's kind of frightening to think that a seminary teacher, with a doctorate i presume, would be so trapped by such narrow tunnel vision.. and yet, i'm sure your experience is sadly not an isolated event.
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this is slightly long but on topic.
one of my hermeneutics & new testament profs (yes i went to seminary) fielded a question about tattoos & piercings in class and he said a Christian should not get them as they would still have those in their glorified body in heaven (still don't see why that would be an issue) and used a text where the Christ showed his nail marks to a doubting disciple after his resurection as proof that your heavenly body is the same as your final earthly body, only eternal. so then someone brought up organ donation. he said absolutely not don't do it, using the same reasoning. at this point i was pretty pissed about the garbage he was teaching, not that i don't believe in God because i do but because he was taking a verse and ripping it out of context to back up his thought. i took his argument and ran with it and said i feel sorry for Christian's that die in fires as they will spend eternity looking like a neglected marshmellow over a camp fire and even further yet, the Christians that die in explosions that would have to have someone carry their exploded body parts all over heaven for them throughout eternity. i was asked to leave for the remainder of the lecture.
tl;dr cliffs: as a Christian i strongly believe that the religion argument used by some Christians is absolutely ridiculous.
sorry about you loss Matt, fellow organ donor
if you don't mind my asking, which branch of christianity was your seminary? also, did you ask him if Paul just carries his own head around or whatever? and what about all the 1st and 2nd century martyrs that got eaten by lions in the coliseum? are those guys just s.o.l.? it's kind of frightening to think that a seminary teacher, with a doctorate i presume, would be so trapped by such narrow tunnel vision.. and yet, i'm sure your experience is sadly not an isolated event.
I mean, religion by its very nature is not bound by rational thought so it's not like his strange views of bringing all your organs with you to heaven needs to be either.
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http://deadspin.com/soccer-clubs-organ-donation-campaign-reduces-waiting-li-1584996671