Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 01, 2014, 11:44:34 PM
Even better, Obama ignored the law requiring Congressional approval of all transfers from Gitmo, so he gets to take all the "credit" for this one. :thumbsup:
Said Obama (seriously, he said it, so I have to assume he believes it): "While we are mindful of the challenges, it is our hope [the trade] could potentially open the door for broader discussions among Afghans about the future of their country by building confidence that it is possible for all sides to find common ground.” When asked for comment, President Carter remarked "JFC, what a rough ridin' pussy."
*who probably deserted, but seems like a lousy trade regardless.
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 12:29:56 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 12:35:10 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 02, 2014, 08:01:59 AM
I'm okay with negotiating with terrorists in some circumstances and I think you're a pretty gigungous idiot if you can't imagine a scenario where negotiating with a terrorist isn't the best move.
Yeah, my problem isn't so much the negotiation in principle, but the shitty negotiation by this admin. And I also think we should have "taken him back" even if he deserted - I'm just not sure that a deserter is worth 5 AQ commanders.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 02, 2014, 08:17:53 AM
And I think we should take that guy back even if he deserted. I mean why not?
We should for sure take him back so we can execute him.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 02, 2014, 08:34:30 AM
Post by: puniraptor on June 02, 2014, 08:35:20 AM
I hope they blasted the eff out of the dudes that were holding him as soon as he was in the chopper.
just like air force one!
Post by: puniraptor on June 02, 2014, 08:37:13 AM
Post by: slobber on June 02, 2014, 08:43:38 AM
I don't have a problem with the trade, it's not like there is a limit to the number of islamic extremists that hate america. plus these guys have been out of the loop for 10+ years and will probably drag AQ down as the young guys try to teach them how to use outlook and crap.:lol:
Post by: SPEmaw on June 02, 2014, 08:53:11 AM
I'm okay with negotiating with terrorists in some circumstances and I think you're a pretty gigungous idiot if you can't imagine a scenario where negotiating with a terrorist isn't the best move.
Don't disagree with you but this most certainly was not the time to do it.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 02, 2014, 11:48:15 AM
What did the AQ dudes we were holding do?
I thought I heard they were gov't officials
Post by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2014, 12:09:29 PM
ok, so what did they do?
They appear to be leaders. Wanted for possible murders of thousands of Shittes.
http://wikileaks.org/gitmo/prisoner/7.html
http://wikileaks.org/gitmo/prisoner/6.html
http://wikileaks.org/gitmo/prisoner/579.html
http://wikileaks.org/gitmo/prisoner/4.html
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 02, 2014, 01:05:02 PM
Quote
CNN profiled them two years ago, when their names first surfaced as candidates for a transfer as part of talks with the Taliban:
Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa
Khairkhwa was an early member of the Taliban in 1994 and was interior minister during the Taliban's rule. He hails from the same tribe as Afghan President Hamid Karzai and was captured in January 2002. Khairkhwa's most prominent position was as governor of Herat province from 1999 to 2001, and he was alleged to have been "directly associated" with Osama bin Laden. According to a detainee assessment, Khairkhwa also was probably associated with al Qaeda's now-deceased leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. He is described as one of the "major opium drug lords in western Afghanistan" and a "friend" of Karzai. He was arrested in Pakistan and was transferred to Guantanamo in May 2002. During questioning, Khairkhwa denied all knowledge of extremist activities.
Mullah Mohammad Fazl
Fazl commanded the main force fighting the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in 2001, and served as chief of army staff under the Taliban regime. He has been accused of war crimes during Afghanistan's civil war in the 1990s. Fazl was detained after surrendering to Abdul Rashid Dostam, the leader of Afghanistan's Uzbek community, in November 2001. He was wanted by the United Nations in connection with the massacre of thousands of Afghan Shiites during the Taliban's rule. "When asked about the murders, he did not express any regret," according to the detainee assessment. He was alleged to have been associated with several militant Islamist groups, including al Qaeda. He was transferred into U.S. custody in December 2001 and was one of the first arrivals at Guantanamo, where he was assessed as having high intelligence value.
Mullah Norullah Noori
Noori served as governor of Balkh province in the Taliban regime and played some role in coordinating the fight against the Northern Alliance. Like Fazl, Noori was detained after surrendering to Dostam, the Uzbek leader, in 2001. Noori claimed during interrogation that "he never received any weapons or military training." According to 2008 detainee assessment, Noori "continues to deny his role, importance and level of access to Taliban officials." That same assessment characterized him as high risk and of high intelligence value.
Abdul Haq Wasiq
Wasiq was the deputy chief of the Taliban regime's intelligence service. His cousin was head of the service. An administrative review in 2007 cited a source as saying that Wasiq was also "an al Qaeda intelligence member" and had links with members of another militant Islamist group, Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. Wasiq claimed, according to the review, that he was arrested while trying to help the United States locate senior Taliban figures. He denied any links to militant groups.
Mohammad Nabi Omari
Omari was a minor Taliban official in Khost Province. According to the first administrative review in 2004, he was a member of the Taliban and associated with both al Qaeda and another militant group Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. He was the Taliban's chief of communications and helped al Qaeda members escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Omari acknowledged during hearings that he had worked for the Taliban but denied connections with militant groups. He also said that he had worked with a U.S. operative named Mark to try to track down Taliban leader Mullah Omar.
Post by: Headinjun on June 02, 2014, 01:05:10 PM
The right wants the "war on terror" to be fought by the military, and this is usually what happens at the end of military wars.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 01:20:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 01:44:02 PM
Looks like the Drones have some more targets hey Mich?
I think any US presence in Afghanistan should be humanitarian.
What made you think I was in favor of how this administration conducts war? (Although I do think (finally) getting out of Afghanistan is a positive.)
Post by: 0.42 on June 02, 2014, 01:45:44 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 02, 2014, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: Unruly on June 02, 2014, 01:53:02 PM
is it probable that these released prisoners were implanted with nano tracking devices n crap?
Was just about to post this. Congrats on your GPS micro chips.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 02:36:08 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2014, 02:41:23 PM
From CNNQuoteCNN profiled them two years ago, when their names first surfaced as candidates for a transfer as part of talks with the Taliban:
Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa
Khair Ulla said what now??? :confused:
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 02:41:53 PM
If this administration isn't the strangest one in Post WWII history in terms of foreign policy (and relevant things) than it has to be very close.
I think our hardline stance on communism post WWII was far more strange and led to more poor decisions than anything this administration has done. Granted, a lot of it had to do with the bizarro McCarthyism but still it was pretty strange.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
If this administration isn't the strangest one in Post WWII history in terms of foreign policy (and relevant things) than it has to be very close.
I think our hardline stance on communism post WWII was far more strange and led to more poor decisions than anything this administration has done. Granted, a lot of it had to do with the bizarro McCarthyism but still it was pretty strange.
At least you could draw a line between a them and an us during the cold war.
Today we overthrew a leader of a country who in all matter of thinking was actually fighting against Al Queda, had renounced support of terrorism, and quit seeking WMD's (you could say the same thing about Saddam). We overthrew his regime (not saying he was a good guy) and basically handed the whole country over to the bad people. Then across the Med we finally woke up (or at least I hope we did) and realized we were supporting some really bad people and trying to overthrow a nation state that thinks in geo-strategic terms (the easiest and the safest to deal with) instead of hardcore jihadist terms (one of the worst to deal with).
That's just a couple of examples.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 02:57:20 PM
If this administration isn't the strangest one in Post WWII history in terms of foreign policy (and relevant things) than it has to be very close.
I think our hardline stance on communism post WWII was far more strange and led to more poor decisions than anything this administration has done. Granted, a lot of it had to do with the bizarro McCarthyism but still it was pretty strange.
At least you could draw a line between a them and an us during the cold war.
It was a stupid, reckless and dangerous policy. We were rough ridin' whackos and lucky as crap that the Communist powers had cooler heads than us and it didn't get more serious than Vietnam.
Today we overthrew a leader of a country who in all matter of thinking was actually fighting against Al Queda, had renounced support of terrorism, and quit seeking WMD's (you could say the same thing about Saddam). We overthrew his regime (not saying he was a good guy) and basically handed the whole country over to the bad people. Then across the Med we finally woke up (or at least I hope we did) and realized we were supporting some really bad people and trying to overthrow a nation state that thinks in geo-strategic terms (the easiest and the safest to deal with) instead of hardcore jihadist terms (one of the worst to deal with).
That's just a couple of examples.
You're being kind of vague, but it sounds like you're saying it's strange to learn from your mistakes?
Post by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 03:07:56 PM
And NO, not saying we learned from our mistakes, I guess if you call "learning" somewhat stopping direct support of really bad guys after 1000's had been killed, and hundreds of thousands displaced . . . than okay. A mild golf clap for "learning from mistakes".
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
So, I'm reading that we were going to have to let these guys go anyway. So, no harm no foul. #amirite
What's the mean time avg of indefinite detention running these days?
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 03:13:41 PM
First off, don't really need to get lectured on the idiocy that went on during the Cold War days, I watched the duck and cover film on You Tube just the other day. Or better yet, the notes sent home from school, "What do you want us to do with your son or daughter in case of Nuclear Attack"? A. Send them home. B. Keep them sheltered in place at school.
It was really really strange, right?
Post by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2014, 03:16:37 PM
So, I'm reading that we were going to have to let these guys go anyway. So, no harm no foul. #amirite
What's the mean time avg of indefinite detention running these days?
POWs are generally released when wars end.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 03:16:59 PM
First off, don't really need to get lectured on the idiocy that went on during the Cold War days, I watched the duck and cover film on You Tube just the other day. Or better yet, the notes sent home from school, "What do you want us to do with your son or daughter in case of Nuclear Attack"? A. Send them home. B. Keep them sheltered in place at school.
It was really really strange, right?
Sure, I've thought about a a Cold War Tour, a car trip around the country looking at all the billions of dollars in left over cold war relics with numerous other stops along the way for various dining, pak'ing and touristy experiences. Maybe someday.
Post by: Brock Landers on June 02, 2014, 03:33:52 PM
First off, don't really need to get lectured on the idiocy that went on during the Cold War days, I watched the duck and cover film on You Tube just the other day. Or better yet, the notes sent home from school, "What do you want us to do with your son or daughter in case of Nuclear Attack"? A. Send them home. B. Keep them sheltered in place at school.
It was really really strange, right?
Sure, I've thought about a a Cold War Tour, a car trip around the country looking at all the billions of dollars in left over cold war relics with numerous other stops along the way for various dining, pak'ing and touristy experiences. Maybe someday.
I'm just curious if Dax marked A or B on that note
Post by: sys on June 02, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
I watched the duck and cover film on You Tube just the other day.
Sure, I've thought about a Cold War Tour... Maybe someday.
as much as i hate dax, this is just delightful.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2014, 04:24:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
I watched the duck and cover film on You Tube just the other day.Sure, I've thought about a Cold War Tour... Maybe someday.
as much as i hate dax, this is just delightful.
Don't hate
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 02, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
So, I'm reading that we were going to have to let these guys go anyway. So, no harm no foul. #amirite
What's the mean time avg of indefinite detention running these days?
POWs are generally released when wars end.
What war is ending?
Post by: CNS on June 02, 2014, 05:24:51 PM
Also, cutting all but like 6K troops out of Afghanistan in the next year or so.
:dunno:
Post by: sys on June 02, 2014, 05:37:42 PM
Don't hate
none of us are perfect.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 05:38:03 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 05:38:35 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 02, 2014, 06:42:06 PM
Although I'm not even really sure what "war" we have been fighting.
That's the problem - it's not a war in the traditional sense. These are terrorists - not soldiers. The "war" never ends for these fucksticks. Never. Libtards don't seem to understand this, or don't want to. Maybe next we can have a little powwow with AQ on an aircraft carrier or something and sign a peace treaty.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 06:48:03 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2014, 06:51:28 PM
If we leave them alone they will leave us alone. I'm not worried about them in any way.:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 07:04:18 PM
No better cover story for meddling in things than the "war on terror".
Want more U.S. presence in Africa . . . War on Terror. You get the idea.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 07:13:44 PM
The problem is, many times "them" is "us". When we want "them" to overthrow somebody, we smuggle arms to them, or set-up proxies to do it, and to provide support, or safe haven etc. etc.
No better cover story for meddling in things than the "war on terror".
Want more U.S. presence in Africa . . . War on Terror. You get the idea.
I totally agree, that's why you transition to humanitarian involvement as soon as it's feasible. Until then, leave "them" alone.
Post by: wetwillie on June 02, 2014, 08:20:16 PM
Post by: Headinjun on June 02, 2014, 08:26:15 PM
Although I'm not even really sure what "war" we have been fighting.
That's the problem - it's not a war in the traditional sense. These are terrorists - not soldiers. The "war" never ends for these fucksticks. Never. Libtards don't seem to understand this, or don't want to. Maybe next we can have a little powwow with AQ on an aircraft carrier or something and sign a peace treaty.
I don't think wars ever end for the well connected and heavily invested in this country either.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 10:09:53 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/07/haqqani-network-afghanistan_n_987762.html
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 10:16:16 PM
More on "them" being "us"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/07/haqqani-network-afghanistan_n_987762.html
Nice work Reagan
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2014, 10:34:49 PM
More on "them" being "us"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/07/haqqani-network-afghanistan_n_987762.html
Nice work Reagan
Don't forget Carter
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2014, 10:39:48 PM
We aren't ever going to leave them alone.And vice versa. I mean we're their #1 target. Should we just wait for them to plan another crap event? #justsaying
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 10:40:20 PM
We aren't ever going to leave them alone.And vice versa. I mean we're their #1 target. Should we just wait for them to plan another crap event? #justsaying
Why do you think we're their #1 target?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
I don't know. They rough ridin' hate us a lot. They were able to shake us a bit and I'm sure they'll always want more. Makes sense, right? What else do they have going on? I guess it has been 13 years.We aren't ever going to leave them alone.And vice versa. I mean we're their #1 target. Should we just wait for them to plan another crap event? #justsaying
Why do you think we're their #1 target?
Post by: p1k3 on June 02, 2014, 10:45:47 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
They hate us cause we haven't left them alone in almost 40 yearsWhere would they be if we didn't?
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
They hate us cause we haven't left them alone in almost 40 yearsWhere would they be if we didn't?
Probably minding their own beeswax.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2014, 11:17:38 PM
Post by: CNS on June 03, 2014, 06:18:39 AM
Or maybe even trading with us like Vietnam does.
Seems like we are trading with them now :dunno:
Post by: DQ12 on June 03, 2014, 07:52:04 AM
Because of our support for Israel.We aren't ever going to leave them alone.And vice versa. I mean we're their #1 target. Should we just wait for them to plan another crap event? #justsaying
Why do you think we're their #1 target?
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Unless nukes become involved that could impact the US. Let them do them, and us do us.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 03, 2014, 12:13:46 PM
Post by: felix rex on June 03, 2014, 12:15:16 PM
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Post by: SdK on June 03, 2014, 12:15:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
Should we get involved if other countries are doing things to contribute to global warming?
Well we definitely shouldn't start a war over it. Wars are pretty bad for the environment.
Post by: EMAWmeister on June 03, 2014, 12:46:38 PM
Post by: CNS on June 03, 2014, 01:27:55 PM
Have you guys seen Homeland!?!?! What if they flipped him!
Spoiler alerts :curse:
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 03, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 03, 2014, 04:07:14 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer=)
Post by: puniraptor on June 03, 2014, 04:08:04 PM
I think he flipped before he deserted.
ya, then he thought he was going to hang with his new talibros and they took him hostage instead.
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2014, 04:16:47 PM
So Obama not only ignored the law requiring Congressional approval of transfers from Gitmo - he did it so that he could trade 5 terrorists for a confirmed deserter. I think this may be the worst blunder yet - can you even call it a blunder? I'm hard pressed to believe he could be this stupid, but the alternative is even worse.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer=)
A Lannister always pays his debts
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2014, 04:50:33 PM
So Obama not only ignored the law requiring Congressional approval of transfers from Gitmo - he did it so that he could trade 5 terrorists for a confirmed deserter. I think this may be the worst blunder yet - can you even call it a blunder? I'm hard pressed to believe he could be this stupid, but the alternative is even worse.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer=)
Only complete morons are angered by this.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on June 03, 2014, 04:59:33 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on June 03, 2014, 05:01:40 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2014, 05:02:35 PM
I've got a lot of soldiers on my FB timeline that think this guys a rough ridin' loser. Like, we lost a bunch of soldiers trying to find him and he pretty much scattered from the group. Now, we're going to great lengths to trade for him and break the way we do things for this one guy. I don't think you can call them all morons for this logic.
Did you read the article? We didn't lose soliders because of him.
Even if we did, would your soldier buds prefer those soldiers died trying to save someone we had no interest in trying to save?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2014, 05:05:56 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
I watch the news every morning at the gym. That's where I got all my details about the story. I did not read that article, but there is plenty of rumblings out there that soldiers were lost on missions to find him. Honestly, i'd be the biggest pussy over there, so I have no clue what they were going through. However, some of his unit has some anger towards him. That's gotta mean something, right?
No
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
OhI watch the news every morning at the gym. That's where I got all my details about the story. I did not read that article, but there is plenty of rumblings out there that soldiers were lost on missions to find him. Honestly, i'd be the biggest pussy over there, so I have no clue what they were going through. However, some of his unit has some anger towards him. That's gotta mean something, right?
No
Post by: puniraptor on June 03, 2014, 05:11:16 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on June 03, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
i think the real motive is that they just wanted to let these guys out of gitmo and then they looked around for an excuse and remembered this chump.
How dare you. Many people were killed on the multiple missions to save this chump. There are rumblings from army people on fb.
Post by: OK_Cat on June 03, 2014, 05:15:42 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 03, 2014, 05:35:28 PM
Army guys are the most WT losers on the planet so I generally believe the exact opposite of what they say
most diverse organization in america :nono:
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2014, 05:47:27 PM
Army guys are the most WT losers on the planet so I generally believe the exact opposite of what they say
most diverse organization in america :nono:
Can confirm. The six years I spent living on military bases and going to military school is the only time in my life I haven't felt a part of the majority. Aside from trips to NY and parts of Colorado.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2014, 06:37:15 PM
Post by: Headinjun on June 03, 2014, 09:26:44 PM
So Obama not only ignored the law requiring Congressional approval of transfers from Gitmo - he did it so that he could trade 5 terrorists for a confirmed deserter. I think this may be the worst blunder yet - can you even call it a blunder? I'm hard pressed to believe he could be this stupid, but the alternative is even worse.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0&referrer=)
I think you have a hard time dechiphering between a soldier and a terrorist.
We must remember that many an innocent who have been kept at Gitmo were turned in by their neighbors and enemies for a quick buck.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264834/Bush-Cheney-Rumsfield-knew-Guant-namo-prisoners-innocent-White-House-aide-tells-court.html
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 08:49:29 AM
Army guys are the most WT losers on the planet so I generally believe the exact opposite of what they say
most diverse organization in america :nono:
Can confirm. The six years I spent living on military bases and going to military school is the only time in my life I haven't felt a part of the majority. Aside from trips to NY and parts of Colorado.
I didn't even know what racism was until I moved to Kansas, all my time before that of course living on military bases.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 08:56:36 AM
Army guys are the most WT losers on the planet so I generally believe the exact opposite of what they say
most diverse organization in america :nono:
Can confirm. The six years I spent living on military bases and going to military school is the only time in my life I haven't felt a part of the majority. Aside from trips to NY and parts of Colorado.
I didn't even know what racism was until I moved to Kansas, all my time before that of course living on military bases.
I think okcat may have had a traumatic encounter with a Riley dude, so now every militay person is a horrible person. He always paints with a very wide brush.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
Army guys are the most WT losers on the planet so I generally believe the exact opposite of what they say
most diverse organization in america :nono:
Can confirm. The six years I spent living on military bases and going to military school is the only time in my life I haven't felt a part of the majority. Aside from trips to NY and parts of Colorado.
I didn't even know what racism was until I moved to Kansas, all my time before that of course living on military bases.
I think okcat may have had a traumatic encounter with a Riley dude, so now every militay person is a horrible person. He always paints with a very wide brush.
I doubt he really thinks that. Just a shitty troll.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2014, 09:58:41 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freedom-watch-dramatic-moment-taliban-released-bowe-bergdahl-n122006
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 10:19:51 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 10:44:09 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 10:48:25 AM
per capita racists of Clark County Kansas >> per capita racists in the US military
Perhaps - I'm guessing it's entirely based on education level. Also the Army guys are forced to have way better discipline than your random Clark County yokel
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 10:52:07 AM
per capita racists of Clark County Kansas >> per capita racists in the US military
Perhaps - I'm guessing it's entirely based on education level. Also the Army guys are forced to have way better discipline than your random Clark County yokel
It's way more driven by diversity than education.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 11:08:01 AM
I watch the news every morning at the gym. That's where I got all my details about the story. I did not read that article, but there is plenty of rumblings out there that soldiers were lost on missions to find him. Honestly, i'd be the biggest pussy over there, so I have no clue what they were going through. However, some of his unit has some anger towards him. That's gotta mean something, right?
It's been verified that 5 or 6 men died trying to find this guy.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 11:39:30 AM
Lots of Paulites on here with the "if we don't bother them they won't bother us". You guys should check out the movie Lawrence of Arabia (ironically for a dose of reality).
:lol:
Post by: p1k3 on June 04, 2014, 12:12:35 PM
Lots of Paulites on here with the "if we don't bother them they won't bother us". You guys should check out the movie Lawrence of Arabia (ironically for a dose of reality).
We started it. Maybe we should be the first to back off :dunno:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
Obama is going to drone these turds before the 4th of July.
For a dose of reality, we should watch the film "Independence Day" starring Will Smith and Bill Pullman.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 01:09:50 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 01:20:13 PM
Obama is going to drone these turds before the 4th of July.
For a dose of reality, we should watch the film "Independence Day" starring Will Smith and Bill Pullman.
Bill Pullman wasn't the #2 actor in that film and you rough ridin' know it!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2014, 01:21:04 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 01:24:40 PM
Obama is going to drone these turds before the 4th of July.
For a dose of reality, we should watch the film "Independence Day" starring Will Smith and Bill Pullman.
Bill Pullman wasn't the #2 actor in that film and you rough ridin' know it!
#2
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/
#2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%281996_film%29
#2
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2495845376/tt0116629?ref_=ttmd_md_nxt
#2 (hard to read)
http://www.impawards.com/1996/independence_day_ver3.html
seems like you are incredibly naive and ignorant.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 01:31:30 PM
Obama is going to drone these turds before the 4th of July.
For a dose of reality, we should watch the film "Independence Day" starring Will Smith and Bill Pullman.
Bill Pullman wasn't the #2 actor in that film and you rough ridin' know it!
#2
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/
#2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%281996_film%29
#2
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2495845376/tt0116629?ref_=ttmd_md_nxt
#2 (hard to read)
http://www.impawards.com/1996/independence_day_ver3.html
seems like you are incredibly naive and ignorant.
All websites run by anti-semites. Goldblum was clearly more prominent, and if he were black would even be above Will.
Post by: puniraptor on June 04, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
great SI cover
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 02:19:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 02:27:29 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 02:28:25 PM
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
What was fake about it?
The fact that ppl wouldn't reprogram the robots to stop being so.annoying.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 02:34:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/474267033216241664
It's not as funny now that the truth is widely known about his desertion.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: p1k3 on June 04, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
I love me some Paul, but anyone who believes the "if we stop bothering them they'll leave us alone" is incredibly naive and ignorant.
Maybe not, but thinking that bombing them with robots from 60,000 feet will fix anything is pretty naive and ignorant as well
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2014, 04:05:17 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 04:11:35 PM
Quote
Before the United States achieved independence from Britain, American merchants ships were protected on the high seas by Britain's Royal Navy. But when the young nation was established its shipping could no longer count on British warships keeping it safe.
In March 1786, two future presidents met with an ambassador from the pirate nations of North Africa. Thomas Jefferson, who was the US ambassador in France, and John Adams, the ambassador to Britain, met with the ambassador from Tripoli in London. They asked why American merchant ships were being attacked without provocation.
The ambassador explained that Muslim pirates considered Americans to be infidels and they believed they simply had the right to plunder American ships.
The US government adopted a policy of essentially paying bribes, or tribute, to the pirates. Jefferson objected to the policy of paying tribute in the 1790s. Having been involved in negotiations to free Americans held by North African pirates, he believed paying tribute only invited more problems.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 04, 2014, 04:19:52 PM
Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?
The adjusted death rate has continued to decline since 9/11. Only 5,281 combat deaths since 9/11, which would be statistically insignificant compared to about 2.25 million deaths per year since 9/11.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata%2Fdatabriefs%2Fdb88_fig1.png&hash=247ed8abbdfe0630c6affa24f3c95a0949317e38)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?Do you think we should have kicked back during the WW's? I mean, eff it!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2014, 04:22:30 PM
Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?Do you think we should have kicked back during the WW's? I mean, eff it!
Germany probably should have.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2014, 04:26:48 PM
So you think Germany was todays U.S.? :runaway:Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?Do you think we should have kicked back during the WW's? I mean, eff it!
Germany probably should have.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?
The adjusted death rate has continued to decline since 9/11. Only 5,281 combat deaths since 9/11, which would be statistically insignificant compared to about 2.25 million deaths per year since 9/11.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata%2Fdatabriefs%2Fdb88_fig1.png&hash=247ed8abbdfe0630c6affa24f3c95a0949317e38)
Do you think the terrorist-related deaths would have been statistically significant?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2014, 04:27:18 PM
So you think Germany was todays U.S.? :runaway:Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?Do you think we should have kicked back during the WW's? I mean, eff it!
Germany probably should have.
No, I'm saying you shouldn't start wars you aren't going to win.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
This fight has been going on a long time and will continue through our lifetimes.QuoteBefore the United States achieved independence from Britain, American merchants ships were protected on the high seas by Britain's Royal Navy. But when the young nation was established its shipping could no longer count on British warships keeping it safe.
In March 1786, two future presidents met with an ambassador from the pirate nations of North Africa. Thomas Jefferson, who was the US ambassador in France, and John Adams, the ambassador to Britain, met with the ambassador from Tripoli in London. They asked why American merchant ships were being attacked without provocation.
The ambassador explained that Muslim pirates considered Americans to be infidels and they believed they simply had the right to plunder American ships.
The US government adopted a policy of essentially paying bribes, or tribute, to the pirates. Jefferson objected to the policy of paying tribute in the 1790s. Having been involved in negotiations to free Americans held by North African pirates, he believed paying tribute only invited more problems.
We should have just paid them like everyone else was doing.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 04:35:18 PM
I'll never understand the "sit back and take it" response to terroism. I mean, wtf ppl?
We can find a gap between "Sit back and take it" and "Drop bombs on civilians in foreign countries", don't you think?
And you still don't seem to want to address the real issue here: Why are we being targeted?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
I'll never understand the "sit back and take it" response to terroism. I mean, wtf ppl?
We can find a gap between "Sit back and take it" and "Drop bombs on civilians in foreign countries", don't you think?
And you still don't seem to want to address the real issue here: Why are we being targeted?
You missed the part about Americans being infidels. You don't have to do anything to be targeted, we just happen to be the highest profile infidels.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
I'll never understand the "sit back and take it" response to terroism. I mean, wtf ppl?
We can find a gap between "Sit back and take it" and "Drop bombs on civilians in foreign countries", don't you think?
And you still don't seem to want to address the real issue here: Why are we being targeted?
You missed the part about Americans being infidels. You don't have to do anything to be targeted, we just happen to be the highest profile infidels.
You missed the part about how we weren't paying like everyone else was. It had nothing to do with being American.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2014, 04:41:13 PM
Well, ya. I agree with that.I'll never understand the "sit back and take it" response to terroism. I mean, wtf ppl?
We can find a gap between "Sit back and take it" and "Drop bombs on civilians in foreign countries", don't you think?
And you still don't seem to want to address the real issue here: Why are we being targeted?
I liked this:
Because of our support for Israel.We aren't ever going to leave them alone.And vice versa. I mean we're their #1 target. Should we just wait for them to plan another crap event? #justsaying
Why do you think we're their #1 target?
They've had a hard on for us for quite sometime. Maybe we're not their "#1 target" anymore, but it's a rough ridin' radical group causing hell and turmoil. I know the war is "over", but what's next?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I'll never understand the "sit back and take it" response to terroism. I mean, wtf ppl?
We can find a gap between "Sit back and take it" and "Drop bombs on civilians in foreign countries", don't you think?
And you still don't seem to want to address the real issue here: Why are we being targeted?
You missed the part about Americans being infidels. You don't have to do anything to be targeted, we just happen to be the highest profile infidels.
You missed the part about how we weren't paying like everyone else was. It had nothing to do with being American.
You missed the part about why they thought they had the right to pillage all non-muslims - because they are infidels.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2014, 04:50:29 PM
I'll never understand the "sit back and take it" response to terroism. I mean, wtf ppl?
We can find a gap between "Sit back and take it" and "Drop bombs on civilians in foreign countries", don't you think?
And you still don't seem to want to address the real issue here: Why are we being targeted?
You missed the part about Americans being infidels. You don't have to do anything to be targeted, we just happen to be the highest profile infidels.
You missed the part about how we weren't paying like everyone else was. It had nothing to do with being American.
You missed the part about why they thought they had the right to pillage all non-muslims - because they are infidels.
You missed the part about never taking their bombs away.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
You missed the part about why they thought they had the right to pillage all non-muslims - because they are infidels.
Well, they also thought they had the right to pillage everyone because they were pirates.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 05:07:41 PM
You missed the part about why they thought they had the right to pillage all non-muslims - because they are infidels.
Well, they also thought they had the right to pillage everyone because they were pirates.
They were only called pirates because they were on the water. :whistle1:
Quote
In March 1786, two future presidents met with an ambassador from the pirate nations of North Africa. Thomas Jefferson, who was the US ambassador in France, and John Adams, the ambassador to Britain, met with the ambassador from Tripoli in London. They asked why American merchant ships were being attacked without provocation.
The ambassador explained that Muslim pirates considered Americans to be infidels and they believed they simply had the right to plunder American ships.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 05:17:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 05:25:39 PM
Radical Muslims have been murdering and raping people unprovoked for centuries. How anyone thinks this would stop if we just quit retaliating is beyond me. Is someone actually proposing we pay them to stop? Because that is rough ridin' insane and the definition of a slippery slope. Haven't you people seen a mob movie.
Some would argue radical Christians have shaped up their act since centuries of things like the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Radical Muslims have been murdering and raping people unprovoked for centuries. How anyone thinks this would stop if we just quit retaliating is beyond me. Is someone actually proposing we pay them to stop? Because that is rough ridin' insane and the definition of a slippery slope. Haven't you people seen a mob movie.
Some would argue radical Christians have shaped up their act since centuries of things like the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition
Yes, radical Christians have evolved with the rest of civilization as far as "conversion by force" goes. Hopefully the same enlightenment will happen for the radical Muslims in the next few centuries.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 04, 2014, 05:59:13 PM
Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?
The adjusted death rate has continued to decline since 9/11. Only 5,281 combat deaths since 9/11, which would be statistically insignificant compared to about 2.25 million deaths per year since 9/11.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata%2Fdatabriefs%2Fdb88_fig1.png&hash=247ed8abbdfe0630c6affa24f3c95a0949317e38)
until this is dax's desktop picture, i can't take it seriously
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Yes, radical Christians have evolved with the rest of civilization as far as "conversion by force" goes. Hopefully the same enlightenment will happen for the radical Muslims in the next few centuries.
The war in Afghanistan hasn't been an attempt at conversion by force? I guess we technically aren't radical christians, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29
:sdeek:
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 04, 2014, 06:24:33 PM
Yes, radical Christians have evolved with the rest of civilization as far as "conversion by force" goes. Hopefully the same enlightenment will happen for the radical Muslims in the next few centuries.
The war in Afghanistan hasn't been an attempt at conversion by force? I guess we technically aren't radical christians, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29
:sdeek:
You believe we went in there to convert muslims to christians?
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 06:33:09 PM
Yes, radical Christians have evolved with the rest of civilization as far as "conversion by force" goes. Hopefully the same enlightenment will happen for the radical Muslims in the next few centuries.
The war in Afghanistan hasn't been an attempt at conversion by force? I guess we technically aren't radical christians, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29
:sdeek:
You believe we went in there to convert muslims to christians?
I don't believe that. But what do the families of all the dead muslim civilians think? :dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
You don't seem like you appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment at all.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2014, 08:48:58 PM
WaPo Poll: Majority believe Obama less competent than Clinton or Bush,and has made America weaker. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/04/poll-obama-administration-less-competent-than-bushs-or-clintons-more-americans-say/)
Quote
Sixty-eight percent say the Obama administration is less competent that the Clinton administration. Forty-eight percent say it is less competent than Bush's, compared to 42 percent who say it is more competent. [Of course, Clinton scores better because a significant chunk of Democrats join the Republicans in agreement on that. :lol:]
Fifty-five percent say that the Obama administration has made the country weaker; 35 percent say his administration has made it stronger. :sdeek:
The poll was conducted June 1-3 by the Democratic Anderson Robbins Research and the Republican Shaw & Company Research.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2014, 08:52:02 PM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
You don't seem like you appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment at all.
Yes I do. By all means, he should be tried. But only a dumbass would ignore the fact that he left a note admitting he intentionally abandoned his post.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2014, 09:14:25 PM
Would more or less Americans have died from 9/11 until today if we had not declared a war on terror?
The adjusted death rate has continued to decline since 9/11. Only 5,281 combat deaths since 9/11, which would be statistically insignificant compared to about 2.25 million deaths per year since 9/11.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata%2Fdatabriefs%2Fdb88_fig1.png&hash=247ed8abbdfe0630c6affa24f3c95a0949317e38)
until this is dax's desktop picture, i can't take it seriously
It wasn't my desk top . . . bro
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2014, 10:08:22 PM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
You don't seem like you appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment at all.
Yes I do. By all means, he should be tried. But only a dumbass would ignore the fact that he left a note admitting he intentionally abandoned his post.
Are you talking about the members of his platoon that tried to rescue him after finding this note? I don't think those guys were dumbasses.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 10:19:34 PM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
He's in the military so he'll get what the military calls a trial. Then he'll be sent to a place infinitely worse than Gitmo or even Federal prison. He'll die soon thereafter.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 10:20:16 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2014, 10:26:26 PM
Good news, Americans are finally wising up, even it is probably too late.
WaPo Poll: Majority believe Obama less competent than Clinton or Bush,and has made America weaker. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/04/poll-obama-administration-less-competent-than-bushs-or-clintons-more-americans-say/)QuoteSixty-eight percent say the Obama administration is less competent that the Clinton administration. Forty-eight percent say it is less competent than Bush's, compared to 42 percent who say it is more competent. [Of course, Clinton scores better because a significant chunk of Democrats join the Republicans in agreement on that. :lol:]
Fifty-five percent say that the Obama administration has made the country weaker; 35 percent say his administration has made it stronger. :sdeek:
The poll was conducted June 1-3 by the Democratic Anderson Robbins Research and the Republican Shaw & Company Research.
Oh man, this is great.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 04, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
They've had a hard on for us for quite sometime. Maybe we're not their "#1 target" anymore, but it's a rough ridin' radical group causing hell and turmoil. I know the war is "over", but what's next?
If people eff with you, then I think it's appropriate to take out those responsible. Instead we waged war on an entire region of the world. When the civilians realized they were almost as likely to be killed by our military as a terrorist was, then all of the sudden they have some skin in the game. It becomes a lot easier for the local terrorist organization to recruit at that point. If you slowly and methodically put a cap in the asses of the INDIVIDUALS that were involved, then you send a message that terrorists get their comeuppance without many of the unintended consequences that our current/past policy has brought.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2014, 11:35:28 PM
http://m.siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/south-dakota/sioux-falls-soldier-served-with-bergdahl-when-he-disappeared/article_7273bee2-2cd7-5f88-b7a3-29b12ee8cb6d.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook%3Fmobile_touch%3Dtrue
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2014, 12:26:11 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2014, 08:13:18 AM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
You don't seem like you appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment at all.
Yes I do. By all means, he should be tried. But only a dumbass would ignore the fact that he left a note admitting he intentionally abandoned his post.
George Zimmerman left a 911 message saying he was going to chase down some kid. :dunno:
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 08:35:58 AM
I literally don't give a eff about any of this
I think that's the reaction Obama was hoping for. I'm glad he was wrong. Keep us apprised when somebody says something racist.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 08:40:18 AM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
You don't seem like you appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment at all.
Yes I do. By all means, he should be tried. But only a dumbass would ignore the fact that he left a note admitting he intentionally abandoned his post.
Are you talking about the members of his platoon that tried to rescue him after finding this note? I don't think those guys were dumbasses.
Your posts are getting incrementally dumber. You should stop digging. His platoon would look for him regardless - he possessed valuable intelligence, not to mention he's still an American soldier. This doesn't change the fact that he left a note admitting that he abandonned his post.
Not that it really matters, but many of these same soldiers resented that they had to put themselves in potentially greater danger to look for this deserter. And, of course, there's a big damned difference between trying to recover a deserter and swapping five terrorists for him.
So seriously, stop being a dumbass.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 08:42:23 AM
not to mention he's still an American soldier.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 08:45:13 AM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
He's a possible deserter. I think he deserves a trial. (If it even warrants a trial.)
While I appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment, let's get real here. The guy left a note admitting he was deserting. I am a little surprised that the military hasn't already announced their intent to try him, which makes me wonder how much pressure this administration is exerting behind the scenes to sweep it under the rug.
You don't seem like you appreciate the innocent-until-proven-guilty sentiment at all.
Yes I do. By all means, he should be tried. But only a dumbass would ignore the fact that he left a note admitting he intentionally abandoned his post.
George Zimmerman left a 911 message saying he was going to chase down some kid. :dunno:
:lol: I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case... GZ did not tell the dispatcher he intended to do anything unlawful, whereas the deserter left a note admitting that he was abandoning his post. So no, they're not the same.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 08:48:21 AM
not to mention he's still an American soldier.
That seems to be where Obama's explanation stops, too. And for that reason, plus the intel, I don't criticize attempts to recover him. I criticize trading five terrorists for him five years later.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 09:00:08 AM
not to mention he's still an American soldier.
That seems to be where Obama's explanation stops, too. And for that reason, plus the intel, I don't criticize attempts to recover him. I criticize trading five terrorists for him five years later.
Would you have preferred we used force to get him out (which would no doubt risk the lives of more soldiers), or let him die with the taliban?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2014, 09:03:23 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 09:07:23 AM
I would have just let him die with the taliban, fwiw.I'm not really a heartless bastard, but if he turned his back on his platoon, i'm kinda in this boat.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 09:25:49 AM
not to mention he's still an American soldier.
That seems to be where Obama's explanation stops, too. And for that reason, plus the intel, I don't criticize attempts to recover him. I criticize trading five terrorists for him five years later.
Would you have preferred we used force to get him out (which would no doubt risk the lives of more soldiers), or let him die with the taliban?
I would have searched for him after his disappearance, just as the military did. And in my talks with the Taliban, I would have continued to ask for his release. But I would not have swapped five terrorists for him. Not even sure I would have swapped one for one. If that means "dying with the Taliban," that seems to be what Bergdahl wanted.
Just as a reminder, from the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=1):
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WASHINGTON — Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 05, 2014, 09:31:05 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2014, 09:36:18 AM
Jonathan Turley: You know, I've said it before, Barack Obama is really the president Richard Nixon always wanted to be. You know, he's been allowed to act unilaterally in a way that we've fought for decades.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
I would have just let him die with the taliban, fwiw.I'm not really a heartless bastard, but if he turned his back on his platoon, i'm kinda in this boat.
You are both kind of heartless bastards IMO. Have you read this?
http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607
He was kind of a mumped up kid in a mumped up unit waging a mumped up war that Obama was dumb enough to try to escalate. He shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place. I also don't think the guys we traded for him present much of a threat to our safety. I mean we've been holding them without cause for like 12 years.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2014, 11:14:25 AM
Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
5 bad guys with GPS up their ass for a guy who will be interrogated to an insane degree to learn how these AQ guys operate?
I'd take it
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 11:18:13 AM
Now see. I didn't think outside the box on this one. This is good.Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
5 bad guys with GPS up their ass for a guy who will be interrogated to an insane degree to learn how these AQ guys operate?
I'd take it
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 05, 2014, 11:23:11 AM
Now see. I didn't think outside the box on this one. This is good.Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
5 bad guys with GPS up their ass for a guy who will be interrogated to an insane degree to learn how these AQ guys operate?
I'd take it
You realize this means AQ has 5 guys to interrogate to an insaner degree to learn how the US operates.
:curse:
Post by: puniraptor on June 05, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 11:25:04 AM
Now see. I didn't think outside the box on this one. This is good.Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
5 bad guys with GPS up their ass for a guy who will be interrogated to an insane degree to learn how these AQ guys operate?
I'd take it
You realize this means AQ has 5 guys to interrogate to an insaner degree to learn how the US operates.
:curse:
hopefully we shut down gitmo and it will all be worthless info. Joke's on you, suckers! :lol:
Post by: p1k3 on June 05, 2014, 11:25:44 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2014, 11:31:22 AM
Now see. I didn't think outside the box on this one. This is good.Great job everybody, next up: World Hunger.
But hey, did the administration trade 5 bad guys for a deserter and possible traitor?
Hmmm
5 bad guys with GPS up their ass for a guy who will be interrogated to an insane degree to learn how these AQ guys operate?
I'd take it
You realize this means AQ has 5 guys to interrogate to an insaner degree to learn how the US operates.
:curse:
Yeah, I hope they don't tell them about what fabric our hoods are made of or pizza tuesdays
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 05, 2014, 12:08:39 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 12:53:02 PM
uhh... they have been sitting in a concrete box for 10 years
Whereas Bergdahl probably wasn't right? I bet they let him sit in the corner of important meetings, taking notes, kind of like a summer intern. Yeah, he'll be a major intelligence asset.
Post by: Spracne on June 05, 2014, 12:58:33 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 05, 2014, 01:00:49 PM
Here's what Obama couldn't tell you. These 5 "terrorists" have spent the last 10 years watching Disney movies and listening to Hanson. 3 years ago, they turned coat and became sympathetic to American interests. We didn't swap prisoners earlier this week, we planted 5 double agents deep in the belly of the beast.
even better than ass gps!
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 05, 2014, 01:11:31 PM
Here's what Obama couldn't tell you. These 5 "terrorists" have spent the last 10 years watching Disney movies and listening to Hanson. 3 years ago, they turned coat and became sympathetic to American interests. We didn't swap prisoners earlier this week, we planted 5 double agents deep in the belly of the beast.
Do you think the American public will swallow that lie?
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 05, 2014, 01:11:54 PM
Here's what Obama couldn't tell you. These 5 "terrorists" have spent the last 10 years watching Disney movies and listening to Hanson. 3 years ago, they turned coat and became sympathetic to American interests. We didn't swap prisoners earlier this week, we planted 5 double agents deep in the belly of the beast.
The implications would be tough to digest.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2014, 02:13:15 PM
Here's what Obama couldn't tell you. These 5 "terrorists" have spent the last 10 years watching Disney movies and listening to Hanson. 3 years ago, they turned coat and became sympathetic to American interests. We didn't swap prisoners earlier this week, we planted 5 double agents deep in the belly of the beast.
even better than ass gps!
Do you think they made them watch Frozen? Or maybe more accurate to say "let them" watch Frozen? That movie friggin rocks.
This is all pretty irrelevant, though. We don't need double agents or ass GPS. To hear Obama tell it, this five-for-one exchange rate is the first step towards a constructive relationship with the Taliban. A "reset" if you will.
Post by: SdK on June 05, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
Post by: SdK on June 05, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
Post by: chuckjames on June 05, 2014, 03:28:25 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 05, 2014, 03:46:03 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
uhh... they have been sitting in a concrete box for 10 years
Whereas Bergdahl probably wasn't right? I bet they let him sit in the corner of important meetings, taking notes, kind of like a summer intern. Yeah, he'll be a major intelligence asset.
I bet he was moved all over. It's not like AQ has a awesome joint like gitmo
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2014, 03:52:04 PM
Here's what Obama couldn't tell you. These 5 "terrorists" have spent the last 10 years watching Disney movies and listening to Hanson. 3 years ago, they turned coat and became sympathetic to American interests. We didn't swap prisoners earlier this week, we planted 5 double agents deep in the belly of the beast.
even better than ass gps!
Do you think they made them watch Frozen? Or maybe more accurate to say "let them" watch Frozen? That movie friggin rocks.
This is all pretty irrelevant, though. We don't need double agents or ass GPS. To hear Obama tell it, this five-for-one exchange rate is the first step towards a constructive relationship with the Taliban. A "reset" if you will.
yup, no benefit to know where these 5 go after we release them. None. In fact, seeing exactly where they travel probably hurts us in long run.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2014, 04:00:19 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 05, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2014, 04:35:28 PM
What if instead of ass GPS, we gave them ass bombs, and the next time they fart, that whole terrorist war base goes up in flames?
Intelligence is more valuable than casualties. You obviously never spent any time in country
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 05, 2014, 04:38:49 PM
Post by: chuckjames on June 05, 2014, 04:46:02 PM
haven't been following this story. how does it stack up against iran-contra?So much worse there isnt a hero like Ollie North to keep #KingObama honest.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Post by: chuckjames on June 05, 2014, 05:11:47 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
I guess since I never had the balls to join the military I find it hard to criticize anybody who did. Was he troubled? Absolutely but Im sure something similar has happened in every war we have been a part of other than Gulf War 1, that was an ass kicking.Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if we're going to go behind normal procedures, this is a weird case to do so.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 05:33:24 PM
I guess since I never had the balls to join the military I find it hard to criticize anybody who did. Was he troubled? Absolutely but Im sure something similar has happened in every war we have been a part of other than Gulf War 1, that was an ass kicking.Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if we're going to go behind normal procedures, this is a weird case to do so.
Exchanging prisoners at the end of a war is a "normal procedure".
Post by: chuckjames on June 05, 2014, 05:35:19 PM
Agree Obummer looks bad for trying to make him look like a hero.he probably should have told congress, but that just shows the lack of trust between branches. The right looks stupid for wanting him back then not wanting him back. Also attacking the Dad's beard? WTF? Derps everywhere.I guess since I never had the balls to join the military I find it hard to criticize anybody who did. Was he troubled? Absolutely but Im sure something similar has happened in every war we have been a part of other than Gulf War 1, that was an ass kicking.Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if we're going to go behind normal procedures, this is a weird case to do so.
Post by: Headinjun on June 05, 2014, 08:05:56 PM
I guess since I never had the balls to join the military I find it hard to criticize anybody who did. Was he troubled? Absolutely but Im sure something similar has happened in every war we have been a part of other than Gulf War 1, that was an ass kicking.Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if we're going to go behind normal procedures, this is a weird case to do so.
Exchanging prisoners at the end of a war is a "normal procedure".
I'm with ya Michcat.
Some on this board just don't get it. I think they assume any middle eastern man is automatically a terrorist rather is he fighting for his country or not.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 08:12:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 08:24:30 PM
:facepalm: It's not the same. He went Behind congresses back.
Congressmen were aware of it as early as 2012.
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The tensions came to a boil in January, when administration officials went to Capitol Hill to brief a handful of senators on the possibility of a prisoner exchange. The meeting, which excluded staffers, took place in a new secure conference room in the Capitol visitor center. According to sources in the briefing, the discussion sparked a sharp exchange between Senators John McCain and John Kerry, both of whom were decorated for their service in Vietnam. McCain, who endured almost six years of captivity as a prisoner of war, threw a fit at the prospect of releasing five Taliban detainees.
http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-me-ra-attacking-bowe-bergdahl-20140602-column.html
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 08:30:23 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 08:32:41 PM
So congress wouldn't have liked the exchange then? Rolling stone is a fun read BTW. Both parties have their media resources. Listen, mich, I hate war, but Obama licencing his own thing.
keep reading
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McCain reluctantly came around on the prisoner exchange
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 08:35:59 PM
That's fair. What do you want to happen from here? The guy is going to need lots of help. Will we keep him captive for awhile to eff with him?So congress wouldn't have liked the exchange then? Rolling stone is a fun read BTW. Both parties have their media resources. Listen, mich, I hate war, but Obama licencing his own thing.
keep readingQuoteMcCain reluctantly came around on the prisoner exchange
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2014, 08:55:39 PM
We should debrief him and decide if he needs to go to trial. :dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
I hope we don't "keep him captive to eff with him".Well ya!
We should debrief him and decide if he needs to go to trial. :dunno:
Post by: puniraptor on June 05, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Post by: 0.42 on June 05, 2014, 10:08:15 PM
Obummer
I always had a sneaking suspicion that Congressman Huelskamp had an account on this here blog.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2014, 10:30:33 PM
Do you guys ever consider the help (congress) might have a better eval in this sitch?
Have you seen the morons congress consists of?
Post by: Headinjun on June 05, 2014, 10:36:36 PM
Do you guys ever consider the help (congress) might have a better eval in this sitch?
No, because congress acts like a buncha pro wrestling dopes who move within the beltway politico industrial complex spouting partisan hackery and nonsense.
They don't spend anywhere near the amount of time studying and analyzing the situations that the non appointed agency members do.
Congress can't even read a string of emails that clears up the Benghazi situation because that wouldn't please the PIC who needs cash for the next superpac.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 06, 2014, 11:03:37 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 06, 2014, 11:19:33 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2014, 11:32:27 AM
Post by: chuckjames on June 06, 2014, 11:35:39 AM
Obama apologist are the worst. Good grief ppl. He mumped up, again! Deal with it.
I think Obummer supporters wouldnt be so quick to his defense if the right wasn't attacking him for rediculous things. #Benghazi comes to mind.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 06, 2014, 11:38:20 AM
Post by: RickRampus on June 06, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 06, 2014, 12:26:33 PM
Obama apologist are the worst. Good grief ppl. He mumped up, again! Deal with it.
I think Obummer supporters wouldnt be so quick to his defense if the right wasn't attacking him for rediculous things. #Benghazi comes to mind.
Couple thoughts:
1. Obama attacks the R's as regularly as they attack him. One of the many things that makes him such a shitty pres.
2. Democrats are pretty pissed at him for skipping Congress on this one, promises and constitution and stuff.
3. The story has really evolved in this thread.
A. The mass murderers held at Gitmo have become invalid goat farmers.
B. The deserter POS has become a treasure trove of military intelligence.
C. The ongoing war on terror ended.
D. Obama ' s colossal eff up has become a carefully executed strategy.
Just wow.
Post by: Spracne on June 06, 2014, 12:46:02 PM
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2014, 01:04:07 PM
Obama just gave his opposition W's Iraq. Years to come when one of these 5 are linked to awfulness, people can still hate on Obama.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 06, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
Couple thoughts:
1. Obama attacks the R's as regularly as they attack him. One of the many things that makes him such a shitty pres.
2. Democrats are pretty pissed at him for skipping Congress on this one, promises and constitution and stuff.
3. The story has really evolved in this thread.
A. The mass murderers held at Gitmo have become invalid goat farmers.
B. The deserter POS has become a treasure trove of military intelligence.
C. The ongoing war on terror ended.
C(i). And this is just a regular POW swap like at the end of any war, where the prisoners will just return to their ordinary, goat farming lives
D. Obama ' s colossal eff up has become a carefully executed strategy.
E. It doesn't matter that we traded five terrorists for a deserter - We Leave No Man Behind!
F. He wasn't a deserter. He served with honor and distinction.
Just wow.
Yes, the libtards have really outdone themselves this time. Take a lap! :applause:
Post by: steve dave on June 06, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 06, 2014, 02:32:35 PM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
unless we can gps your butt.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 06, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
not entirely true.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgejohnson.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F00000484-f.jpg&hash=56faf51ac3d9349b3a87feb515e6163037c82d09)
Post by: steve dave on June 06, 2014, 02:59:56 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on June 06, 2014, 03:25:55 PM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
I was told that a portion of my monthly premium subscription was going towards building a fleet of rescue drones.
Post by: 0.42 on June 06, 2014, 03:56:27 PM
Senator Rand PaulVerified account
?@SenRandPaul
"Mr. President, let's set up a new trade. Instead of 5 Taliban, let's trade 5 Democrats!" #RPTCon14
Post by: Headinjun on June 06, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Obama apologist are the worst. Good grief ppl. He mumped up, again! Deal with it.
Naive Americans who can't think without American exceptionalism at the forefront of their heads on anything to do with foreign policy are part of the problem on why we're hated around the world and why we have trillions in debt spending.
A lot of dumbshits keep voting for the imperialist candidate time after time and that goes further than just the office of the presidency.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 06, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/475002836107816960 (https://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/475002836107816960)
Senator Rand PaulVerified account
?@SenRandPaul
"Mr. President, let's set up a new trade. Instead of 5 Taliban, let's trade 5 Democrats!" #RPTCon14
What a dumbass. Doesn't Rand Paul realize that many Dems agree with the Pubs on this shitty trade? Pissing on a rare moment of bipartisanship.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 06, 2014, 06:58:02 PM
Obama apologist are the worst. Good grief ppl. He mumped up, again! Deal with it.
Naive Americans who can't think without American exceptionalism at the forefront of their heads on anything to do with foreign policy are part of the problem on why we're hated around the world and why we have trillions in debt spending.
A lot of dumbshits keep voting for the imperialist candidate time after time and that goes further than just the office of the presidency.
Just curious libtard, do you think we're better than any country?
Post by: Headinjun on June 06, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 06, 2014, 07:15:08 PM
We're great in some things and just awful in others. I can go beyond a simpleton black and white thought process.
You seem confused. It's not American Perfection - it's American Exceptionalism. It's the view that, taken as a whole, the good and the bad, we're the best. It doesn't mean you don't think America can be improved.
You don't get to build your own country. So I'll ask again, on the whole, can you think of any country that's not as good as America?
Post by: Headinjun on June 06, 2014, 08:32:04 PM
Were just as crooked and corrupt as everybody else. We get along pretty well for the most part within our borders. So I think we can tip our hat to that.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 06, 2014, 09:03:55 PM
Hate to break it to you, but we stopped being the best awhile ago.
Were just as crooked and corrupt as everybody else. We get along pretty well for the most part within our borders. So I think we can tip our hat to that.
Ok, so I guess that's a "no"?
Post by: Headinjun on June 06, 2014, 09:49:02 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 06, 2014, 11:23:20 PM
Of course we're better than some dumbass. What's your point?
That's very naive and judgmental of you. Who are you to judge? That kind of thinking is why the world hates us.
Post by: Headinjun on June 06, 2014, 11:42:22 PM
Post by: felix rex on June 07, 2014, 08:25:14 AM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
Hmmm. This could impact the birfing of the Egy pakhead.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 07, 2014, 10:52:57 AM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
Hmmm. This could impact the birfing of the Egy pakhead.
Whoa
Post by: steve dave on June 07, 2014, 01:18:08 PM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
Hmmm. This could impact the birfing of the Egy pakhead.
Ok, we'll negotiate with them but we're not trading back any of their guys. That's off the table.
Post by: Headinjun on June 07, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 07, 2014, 02:13:55 PM
I'm sure I'm a bargaining chip.
Are you willing to keister a Garmin?
Post by: chuckjames on June 10, 2014, 12:19:20 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 10, 2014, 01:37:55 PM
There has never been such thing as American Exceptionalism. When you start out as a slave country, and then kick out a native population, you lose any credence to call yourself exceptional.
More idiotic mush. This will be fun. For starters, please define "native population."
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2014, 01:53:42 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 10, 2014, 01:55:12 PM
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on June 10, 2014, 02:07:09 PM
lolThere has never been such thing as American Exceptionalism. When you start out as a slave country, and then kick out a native population, you lose any credence to call yourself exceptional.
More idiotic mush. This will be fun. For starters, please define "native population."
Post by: chuckjames on June 10, 2014, 02:07:46 PM
'Merica . . . get angry at it!!Not angry at it at all just stating the fact that we have some great moral superiority over the rest world is quite rediculous. I can still be a proud American while believing this, they aren't mutually exclusive.
Post by: chuckjames on June 10, 2014, 02:11:11 PM
The "Native Americans" had to steal their land from somebody amiright? Which then proves my point we stole land like every other nation in the world where is the moral superiority in that?There has never been such thing as American Exceptionalism. When you start out as a slave country, and then kick out a native population, you lose any credence to call yourself exceptional.
More idiotic mush. This will be fun. For starters, please define "native population."
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 10, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
The "Native Americans" had to steal their land from somebody amiright? Which then proves my point we stole land like every other nation in the world where is the moral superiority in that?There has never been such thing as American Exceptionalism. When you start out as a slave country, and then kick out a native population, you lose any credence to call yourself exceptional.
More idiotic mush. This will be fun. For starters, please define "native population."
Are you saying that there was some ancient race of humans in the Americas before the natives showed up and that they were all killed off by nomadic tribes with stone age technology?
Post by: 0.42 on June 10, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
Post by: chuckjames on June 10, 2014, 09:24:30 PM
At some point I'm going to stop reading the contents of posts itt and start smashing everyone in here upside the head with a hardcover copy of Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Sounds like that book is Liberal propaganda to me. God ordained Christians to civilize the natives.
Post by: Spracne on June 10, 2014, 09:28:50 PM
At some point I'm going to stop reading the contents of posts itt and start smashing everyone in here upside the head with a hardcover copy of Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Oh man, great tome. Someone should make chuckjames read that (if that is, in fact, his real name).
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 10, 2014, 11:11:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 12, 2014, 08:55:21 AM
I would have just let him die with the taliban, fwiw.I'm not really a heartless bastard, but if he turned his back on his platoon, i'm kinda in this boat.
You are both kind of heartless bastards IMO. Have you read this?
http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607
He was kind of a mumped up kid in a mumped up unit waging a mumped up war that Obama was dumb enough to try to escalate. He shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place. I also don't think the guys we traded for him present much of a threat to our safety. I mean we've been holding them without cause for like 12 years.
Any comments on the news that he was discharged from the Coast Guard?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/11/north-koreas-kim-jong-un-gets-angry-at-the-weather-guys/?tid=pm_world_pop
He was a mumped up kid that had no business being in a war, even if he volunteered.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 12, 2014, 09:10:02 AM
Everyone should be forced to read GGS.At some point I'm going to stop reading the contents of posts itt and start smashing everyone in here upside the head with a hardcover copy of Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Oh man, great tome. Someone should make chuckjames read that (if that is, in fact, his real name).
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2014, 09:11:05 AM
I would have just let him die with the taliban, fwiw.I'm not really a heartless bastard, but if he turned his back on his platoon, i'm kinda in this boat.
You are both kind of heartless bastards IMO. Have you read this?
http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607
He was kind of a mumped up kid in a mumped up unit waging a mumped up war that Obama was dumb enough to try to escalate. He shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place. I also don't think the guys we traded for him present much of a threat to our safety. I mean we've been holding them without cause for like 12 years.
Any comments on the news that he was discharged from the Coast Guard?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/11/north-koreas-kim-jong-un-gets-angry-at-the-weather-guys/?tid=pm_world_pop
He was a mumped up kid that had no business being in a war, even if he volunteered.
GMAFB :rolleyes:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2014, 09:39:08 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 12, 2014, 09:41:43 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 12, 2014, 09:45:05 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2014, 09:48:52 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 12, 2014, 10:03:12 AM
So why the eff did we let him go over there?
We shouldn't have sent him. That's my point!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2014, 10:13:55 AM
THANKS, OBAMA! jkSo why the eff did we let him go over there?
We shouldn't have sent him. That's my point!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 12, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2014, 11:25:36 AM
we traded 5 losers for 1 loser. That's the only bad part. It's a Dayton Moore-esque tradeThe difference is, their losers still want to kill us and our loser has a mushy brain and will be in a psych ward the rest of his life.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 12, 2014, 11:27:16 AM
we traded 5 losers for 1 loser. That's the only bad part. It's a Dayton Moore-esque tradeThe difference is, their losers still want to kill us and our loser has a mushy brain and will be in a psych ward the rest of his life.
We know where their losers are at all times. they will get droned sooner or later. they sure as crap aren't hopping a plane to Miami
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2014, 11:34:11 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 12, 2014, 09:37:51 PM
we traded 5 losers for 1 loser. That's the only bad part. It's a Dayton Moore-esque tradeThe difference is, their losers still want to kill us and our loser has a mushy brain and will be in a psych ward the rest of his life.
We know where their losers are at all times. they will get droned sooner or later.
Do you really think we're that competent? What makes you think we're that competent? I have zero confidence that these guys are under anything close to 24 hour surveillance by us or anyone we can trust.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on June 12, 2014, 10:07:10 PM
Seems like you hate America.we traded 5 losers for 1 loser. That's the only bad part. It's a Dayton Moore-esque tradeThe difference is, their losers still want to kill us and our loser has a mushy brain and will be in a psych ward the rest of his life.
We know where their losers are at all times. they will get droned sooner or later.
Do you really think we're that competent? What makes you think we're that competent? I have zero confidence that these guys are under anything close to 24 hour surveillance by us or anyone we can trust.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 13, 2014, 07:10:01 AM
So why the eff did we let him go over there?
We shouldn't have sent him. That's my point!
You're blaming the military for the actions of a deserter and a traitor? This poor man has had quite the journey into his thread, from double agent covert opps to mentally handicapped victim of the man.
Let's call it like it is. Obama royally mumped this up, politically and strategically, and Bowe belongs in prison, probably the Taliban one.
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2014, 07:33:16 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 13, 2014, 11:06:34 AM
we traded 5 losers for 1 loser. That's the only bad part. It's a Dayton Moore-esque tradeThe difference is, their losers still want to kill us and our loser has a mushy brain and will be in a psych ward the rest of his life.
We know where their losers are at all times. they will get droned sooner or later.
Do you really think we're that competent? What makes you think we're that competent? I have zero confidence that these guys are under anything close to 24 hour surveillance by us or anyone we can trust.
If you don't think we put something in them to track these fellas in the 12 years we had them at GITMO, you are giving the gov too much credit. they track everyone
Post by: felix rex on June 13, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
we're back to not negotiating at all felix
Frankly, I'm on board with this now.
Post by: brandochav on June 16, 2014, 05:02:46 PM
In fact, a month earlier in March 2002, the Bush White House had helped arrange a ransom payment to the radical Islamic group Abu Sayyaf. ABC News reported that the U.S. government helped pay $300,000 in cash to the group, known to be part of Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network. The ransom was arranged to secure the release of two American missionaries, Martin and Gracia Burnham, taken hostage at a resort in the Philippines on May 27, 2001. The Burnhams were Protestant missionaries who traveled widely handing out Bibles and spreading the gospel. The ransom was paid, but the hostages were not released; one was later killed.
http://news.discovery.com/history/us-history/negotiating-with-terrorists-whats-the-big-deal-140604.htm (http://news.discovery.com/history/us-history/negotiating-with-terrorists-whats-the-big-deal-140604.htm)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bergdahl-pictured-smiling-taliban-while-captivity-n152466
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Best friends! :cheers:
Post by: SdK on July 10, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2014, 01:08:42 PM
Nothing to see herePfftt :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2014, 01:12:56 PM
Nothing to see hereI'm sure that's what Obama said too. :lol:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 10, 2014, 01:13:38 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 10, 2014, 01:16:11 PM
Hmmmmm
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bergdahl-pictured-smiling-taliban-while-captivity-n152466
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Best friends! :cheers:
Which one is Bergdahl?
This picture is just begging for a caption, by the way. I'll start: "What do you say, Mr. President, 5 of my buddies for this guy?"
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
So when does this guy get his trial?Great timing. This just popped up on MSN.
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Bowe Bergdahl Could Leave Texas Military Base Within Days
Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the American soldier held five years by the Taliban, is almost finished with his medical reintegration and could leave Fort Sam Houston in Texas within days, an Army source told NBC News on Thursday.
Bergdahl will be sent to another military station, though Army officials have said they don’t yet know where. He is expected to take some leave after that. The military investigation into the circumstances of his disappearance from his post in Afghanistan in 2009 will continue. Bergdahl will be the last person questioned before the military decides whether he should be charged with desertion. Bergdahl, who was returned to the United States in May in exchange for five Taliban prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has been receiving outpatient medical and psychological care at Fort Sam Houston.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2014, 01:16:57 PM
:lol:Hmmmmm
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bergdahl-pictured-smiling-taliban-while-captivity-n152466
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F07%2F10%2Farticle-0-1F867AE400000578-633_634x371.jpg&hash=0cd49bc379d4685452386a620fe49bf1e9b66b61)
Best friends! :cheers:
Which one is Bergdahl?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 10, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 10, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
I especially like the secret Taliban gang symbol that the terrorist is making with his hand. I think that means "pussy" in Pashto.
They twitch their fingers to communicate with other terror cells. Haven't you seen Homeland?
Post by: michigancat on July 10, 2014, 01:57:52 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 10, 2014, 06:21:52 PM
Looks like Berghdal had it made
Quite the lucky dude
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2014, 12:50:14 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 11, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
Post by: ednksu on October 12, 2014, 01:33:47 AM
What are they hiding? http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review)I'm shocked that you find it appropriate to release an unfinished report.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 12, 2014, 09:44:46 AM
What are they hiding? http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review)I'm shocked that you find it appropriate to release an unfinished report.
The report is finished. They just haven't decided what to do with it yet.
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Army Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl completed a review of this case this week, but Hall declined to set a timeline for a final decision.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 12, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
Post by: ednksu on October 12, 2014, 05:04:21 PM
What are they hiding? http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review)I'm shocked that you find it appropriate to release an unfinished report.
The report is finished. They just haven't decided what to do with it yet.QuoteArmy Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl completed a review of this case this week, but Hall declined to set a timeline for a final decision.
“At this time, it would be inappropriate to speculate on the potential results or the amount of time the review process will take to complete," Hall said
Once again, the review isn't complete. "A" report maybe done, but the process isn't. Ya know, that whole due process thing, I know its something you hate.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 12, 2014, 05:33:41 PM
:comehere: :ksu:What are they hiding? http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review)I'm shocked that you find it appropriate to release an unfinished report.
The report is finished. They just haven't decided what to do with it yet.QuoteArmy Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl completed a review of this case this week, but Hall declined to set a timeline for a final decision.
“At this time, it would be inappropriate to speculate on the potential results or the amount of time the review process will take to complete," Hall said
Once again, the review isn't complete. "A" report maybe done, but the process isn't. Ya know, that whole due process thing, I know its something you hate.
And once again, you said the report is incomplete. It isn't. The "review" is not complete in that they haven't decided yet how to break the news that Bergdahl was a deserter who possibly committed treason.
Post by: ednksu on October 12, 2014, 05:40:25 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.clubsi.com%2Fimages%2Fgraemlins%2Fdefault%2Fjack.gif&hash=eddaf9c622dbba74fe013c1adab02ca6b63787d3):comehere: :ksu:What are they hiding? http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review)I'm shocked that you find it appropriate to release an unfinished report.
The report is finished. They just haven't decided what to do with it yet.QuoteArmy Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl completed a review of this case this week, but Hall declined to set a timeline for a final decision.
“At this time, it would be inappropriate to speculate on the potential results or the amount of time the review process will take to complete," Hall said
Once again, the review isn't complete. "A" report maybe done, but the process isn't. Ya know, that whole due process thing, I know its something you hate.
And once again, you said the report is incomplete. It isn't. The "review" is not complete in that they haven't decided yet how to break the news that Bergdahl was a deserter who possibly committed treason.
distinction between review and report. the story makes it plainly obvious to people who don't have an agenda in this case. once again, I know you guys have trouble with due process.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 12, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.clubsi.com%2Fimages%2Fgraemlins%2Fdefault%2Fjack.gif&hash=eddaf9c622dbba74fe013c1adab02ca6b63787d3):comehere: :ksu:What are they hiding? http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/220403-army-wont-release-bergdahl-review)I'm shocked that you find it appropriate to release an unfinished report.
The report is finished. They just haven't decided what to do with it yet.QuoteArmy Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl completed a review of this case this week, but Hall declined to set a timeline for a final decision.
“At this time, it would be inappropriate to speculate on the potential results or the amount of time the review process will take to complete," Hall said
Once again, the review isn't complete. "A" report maybe done, but the process isn't. Ya know, that whole due process thing, I know its something you hate.
And once again, you said the report is incomplete. It isn't. The "review" is not complete in that they haven't decided yet how to break the news that Bergdahl was a deserter who possibly committed treason.
distinction between review and report. the story makes it plainly obvious to people who don't have an agenda in this case. once again, I know you guys have trouble with due process.
You seem to have a problem with basic English and reading comprehension. Start with that, and then we'll get to "due process."
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 25, 2015, 01:25:51 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2015, 01:47:58 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 25, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
gE doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If one of you poor SOBs get taken you can rest assured that we aren't going to do crap to get you back.
not entirely true.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgejohnson.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F00000484-f.jpg&hash=56faf51ac3d9349b3a87feb515e6163037c82d09)
most of you guys don't know it but this was a very good post by me in this thread
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2015, 01:55:09 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 25, 2015, 02:15:53 PM
Yeah I don't get it but congrats
thanks. some days it's the little things that get you through, you know?
Post by: star seed 7 on March 25, 2015, 03:22:55 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 25, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
*Allegedly
There is no allegedly about the terrorists.
Albeit in the case of the nuttiest foreign policy/national security administration in modern American history, it could all be a part of the kill not capture doctrine that this administration has . . . at times.
There's no real allegedly about Bergdahl, either. The evidence is overwhelming, in a military tribunal. He's lucky to not be charged with treason.
Remember the original talking points, folks: "Sergeant Bergdahl served with honor and distinction." :lol: My Gawd what incompetent clowns they are - or worse.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 25, 2015, 05:00:12 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 26, 2015, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 26, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 26, 2015, 12:30:08 PM
Post by: CNS on March 26, 2015, 12:34:42 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 26, 2015, 01:32:18 PM
Mitt wouldn't of traded, as announced in a ThursdaymorningPresidenting sesh.
That's not exactly a "hindsight" sort of thing to say. Nobody but a complete dumbass or libtard would have made that trade. All the pertinent info on Bergdahl's desertion was known before the swap.
Post by: puniraptor on March 26, 2015, 01:35:07 PM
did you guys forget that the talibans we "released" very definitely were forced to butt tracking devices courtesy of the CIA?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 26, 2015, 08:08:31 PM
Post by: CNS on March 26, 2015, 08:13:00 PM
I mean, he doesn't hold any office anywhere right now, iirc.
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2015, 08:22:11 PM
did you guys forget that the talibans we "released" very definitely were forced to butt tracking devices courtesy of the CIA?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 26, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
I think it's weird that he would take the time to gather an audience to make that statement. Especially if he isn't running. I mean, there is a bunch of stuff some ppl believe to be obvious that we don't need Mitt to take his time to address.
I mean, he doesn't hold any office anywhere right now, iirc.
Uh, wut? You think mitt just rounded up some people and made an unsolicited 8 word statement? Retardation?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 18, 2015, 10:21:10 PM
Obama traded 5 Taliban thugs for a traitor, not because he didn't know this piece of crap was a deserter at best, but because it helped empty Gitmo. What else can be said? We elected this slimeball. Twice.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2015, 04:50:27 AM
Post by: renocat on October 15, 2015, 12:03:40 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 16, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Done!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 16, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
We’ll trade you 5 terrorists for one deserter.
Done!
Oh but you gotta pinkie promise you'll keep them "detained" in Qatar for one year.
You bet!
Post by: puniraptor on October 16, 2017, 03:20:58 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 16, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 03, 2017, 11:03:22 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2017, 02:59:15 PM
Quote
Bergdahl’s defense lawyers twice tried to have the case dismissed over comments from the campaign trail, when Trump repeatedly called Bergdahl a traitor who should be executed.
"We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed,” Trump said at an October 2015 rally, for example.
“Thirty years ago, he would have been shot,” he added.
Nance ruled Bergdahl can get a fair trial despite Trump’s comments, but said he would consider them as a mitigating factor in the sentencing.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 03, 2017, 04:12:12 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 03, 2017, 07:15:15 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 03, 2017, 07:16:01 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 03, 2017, 07:27:01 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 03, 2017, 07:30:45 PM
Literally way more entire states full of people would say just that.
we've isolated the problem for sure
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2017, 08:46:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 03, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
AMAZE
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 03, 2017, 09:32:24 PM
It's like, was msnbc not liberally paranoid enough for you? You had to go full on cartoonish fantasy libtard??
Post by: chum1 on November 03, 2017, 09:51:49 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 04, 2017, 08:57:03 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/358631-judge-rules-no-jail-time-for-bergdahlQuoteBergdahl’s defense lawyers twice tried to have the case dismissed over comments from the campaign trail, when Trump repeatedly called Bergdahl a traitor who should be executed.
"We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed,” Trump said at an October 2015 rally, for example.
“Thirty years ago, he would have been shot,” he added.
Nance ruled Bergdahl can get a fair trial despite Trump’s comments, but said he would consider them as a mitigating factor in the sentencing.
GEEZ
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When he denied this motion, the military judge explained that candidate Trump had not been in command authority when he made his remarks. The clear message to the White House was that this would be a much tougher call if Trump spewed such demagoguery as president. Seemingly taking this as a dare rather than prudent advice, he proceeded to spew it as president. Naturally, the defense renewed the motion. After a few days of hand-wringing, the manifestly irritated judge denied it, on grounds that were far less defensible. Yesterday, undoubtedly concerned that the president’s comments could result in a reversal on appeal if a stiff sentence were imposed, the judge sentenced Bergdahl to no jail time
http://amp.nationalreview.com/article/453415/trump-manhattan%20truck-attack-death-penalty-compromise-sentencing-bowe-bergdahl-court-martial
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 04, 2017, 10:22:07 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 04, 2017, 12:08:47 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 04, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Unsurprisingly, huge celebration from the libs when a traitor who caused us soldiers to die avoids prison time.
:facepalm:
I certainly am not celebrating. I think it is embarrassing the way this judge pushed Trump into a mud puddle.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 05, 2017, 05:55:05 AM
Of course that’s emboldened by the anal tracker Tora Bora fantasy some of you weirdos have in regards to the 5 terrorists released.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 05, 2017, 06:37:35 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 05, 2017, 07:33:14 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 05, 2017, 08:50:51 AM
Great win for Libs, it really helps them feel better about the idiotic (one of many) decision by their hero.
Of course that’s emboldened by the anal tracker Tora Bora fantasy some of you weirdos have in regards to the 5 terrorists released.
That actually happened. Sorry
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
Post by: mocat on November 05, 2017, 10:10:12 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 05, 2017, 10:11:06 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 05, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2017, 01:15:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 05, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
likes: beau birddog, antifa, dumbassness, disrespecting the flag, forcing children to be gay
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/925363005491163138
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Post by: Tobias on November 06, 2017, 12:17:31 AM