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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: pissclams on April 06, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
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From the noon hour -
http://www.810whb.com/podcasts
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Just so people don't have to waste their time, a recap:
- cyberspace
- snyds doesn't care about the athletic department not having any money, schedule needs to change
- daniel thomas is good
- OL has chemistry
- snyds thought suh was a garbage player
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- snyds thought suh was a garbage player
Please elaborate (feel free to make crap up).
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- snyds doesn't care about the athletic department not having any money, schedule needs to change
If Currie buckles on this, I may have a superb meltdown.
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- snyds thought suh was a garbage player
Please elaborate (feel free to make crap up).
Snyder told a story about how before the Big12CG Mack Brown called him and asked about NU. So snyds says that he didn’t think that suh was as good as everyone said he is because he didn’t get that much pressure on us (then said it was because schematically nu was trying to get pressure from the de’s). So then after the B12CG, mack texts him and calls him an idiot.
I'm debating whether snyds did this intentionally due to the CTR.....though I think snyds evaluation of DT talent over the last decade leads me to believe he actually thought suh wasn't that good.
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outstanding
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- snyds thought suh was a garbage player
Please elaborate (feel free to make crap up).
Snyder told a story about how before the Big12CG Mack Brown called him and asked about NU. So snyds says that he didn’t think that suh was as good as everyone said he is because he didn’t get that much pressure on us (then said it was because schematically nu was trying to get pressure from the de’s). So then after the B12CG, mack texts him and calls him an idiot.
I'm debating whether snyds did this intentionally due to the CTR.....though I think snyds evaluation of DT talent over the last decade leads me to believe he actually thought suh wasn't that good.
:lol:
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- snyds doesn't care about the athletic department not having any money, schedule needs to change
:cockshotgun,takeoldmanoutback:
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Love how people want to have a badass OOC schedule AND go to a bowl game. We couldn't beat LaLa in September last year folks.
Let's just make sure we win some games in the OOC.
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Love how people want to have a badass OOC schedule AND go to a bowl game. We couldn't beat LaLa in September last year folks.
Let's just make sure we win some games in the OOC.
I'm not saying anything of the kind. Here is my position:
1. Anything that hurts basketball can shazbot! off.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. :driving:
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I love how Powetards always say stuff like, "Oh gosh, we don't want to get all beat up playing somebody like Miami or Oregon."
Really? So everybody else we play is doesn't block or tackle or hit anyone?? Nobody else besides Miami or Oregon is capable of rolling up on a key players ankle??
While I agree it may be a bit much to have Oregon and Miami on the schedule in the same year. There's absolutely no reason/excuse to drop those games entirely . . . none.
K-State can't afford to pay $900K to chowder puff U like Michigan or Tennessee can. Play the games!!
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Well one thing is for certain, Snyders scheduling philsophy didn't work the first time around....no reason to believe it will work this time. Who gives a sh$t about 11 win seasons, top 10 rankings and big time bowl games if you aren't playing anyone out of conference.
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And while I'm at it, Frank Martin better get off his ass and figure out how to get some big time 5 star talent in here. These 3 star jokes that peter out in the Elite 8 need to go.
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I love how Powetards always say stuff like, "Oh gosh, we don't want to get all beat up playing somebody like Miami or Oregon."
Really? So everybody else we play is doesn't block or tackle or hit anyone?? Nobody else besides Miami or Oregon is capable of rolling up on a key players ankle??
While I agree it may be a bit much to have Oregon and Miami on the schedule in the same year. There's absolutely no reason/excuse to drop those games entirely . . . none.
K-State can't afford to pay $900K to chowder puff U like Michigan or Tennessee can. Play the games!!
youre better then this post dax
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Well one thing is for certain, Snyders scheduling philsophy didn't work the first time around....no reason to believe it will work this time. Who gives a sh$t about 11 win seasons, top 10 rankings and big time bowl games if you aren't playing anyone out of conference.
Please elaborate....
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Well left to his own devices (re: scheduling), Snyders gonna have us right back where we were...winning games, challenging for Big 12 titles and going to bowl games. Now Ron Prince had the balls to play a big time schedule!
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ISWT :kstatriot:
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It's brewing...
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Well left to his own devices (re: scheduling), Snyders gonna have us right back where we were...winning games, challenging for Big 12 titles and going to bowl games. Now Ron Prince had the balls to play a big time schedule!
So how does Snyder's scheduling not work?
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:facepalm: to EVERYONE
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It's a 12 f_cking game schedule now you pussified Mary's. That's FOUR non con games for those keeping score at home.
Say uh, tell me who did K-State play in the non conference that year they won the Big 12 Championship??
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Cal - 7-6 final record
Troy State
McNeese State
U Mass
Marshall
So basically 5 nobody patsies (although we managed to lose to Marshall)
So if your point is we should play another schedule like 2003, I'm all for it!
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Here's the deal:
ITS NOT THE LATE 90'S ANYMORE
We simply cannot afford to buy wins like we used to.
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I don't consider Cal a patsy.
Plus I should have said 2002. I guess beating USC cost us that ballgame at CU.
Plus, what part of we don't need to play Oregon AND Miami in the same year don't you understand??
But there's no reason or excuse to drop them both from the schedule entirely . . . as I said.
Now, if you're prepared to personally increase your Ahearn fund donation by $10K, and all the other "we shouldn't play anybody that might be good in the OOC" types are willing to increase their donation by $10K a year . . . than sure we could probably fill up our schedules with cream puffs looking for $5-$600K plus pay days.
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Yeah. I wouldn't mind three non-con creampuffs plus an Oregon or Miami. Not ideal, but would be okay once we got back to average.
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
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QUIT SPENDING OUR MONEY BILL!
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
This is a good point. If you're gonna schedule non-BCS schools, make sure they're the terrible ones that you'll for sure beat. There's nothing to gain from scheduling teams like Fresno, since you get little credit from beating them and look terrible if/when you lose to them.
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QUIT SPENDING OUR MONEY BILL!
lol
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
This is a good point. If you're gonna schedule non-BCS schools, make sure they're the terrible ones that you'll for sure beat. There's nothing to gain from scheduling teams like Fresno, since you get little credit from beating them and look terrible if/when you lose to them.
They didn't get this memo when they scheduled the home and home with UCF. Going to Orlando for the return game will be fun, but there's not much to be gained through the series.
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
This is a good point. If you're gonna schedule non-BCS schools, make sure they're the terrible ones that you'll for sure beat. There's nothing to gain from scheduling teams like Fresno, since you get little credit from beating them and look terrible if/when you lose to them.
IMO, better to schedule BCS scrubs than high mid-majors. Would rather play NC State, Washington State, or Mississippi State than Nevada, Fresno, or Toledo. Probably get more money for doing it, don't get shady mid-major refs, and have a better chance of winning.
The reality is this:
With 4 OOC's one of them is going to be on the road. That road game should be against someone that's gonna pay you money (this can be the U or Oregon, etc.). Because you can only schedule 1 FCS (1-AA) team for bowl eligibility purposes you WANT two sh*tty FBS schools to come to your house. There are less sh*tty FBS (1A) teams to pass around like drunk G-Phi's b/c now everyone WANTS 3 of these. Those schools are going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. At this point, unless you have the coin (we don't for well documented reasons), you're gonna get stuck with a high-mid-major or another BCS school both wanting a home-and-home. Once Snyder comes to this realization he'll understand he doesn't have much a choice, and playing two tough OOC's ain't bad as long as one is at home. He might as well just start hoping all the games get scheduled at 1:10pm
Its a numbers thing
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
This is a good point. If you're gonna schedule non-BCS schools, make sure they're the terrible ones that you'll for sure beat. There's nothing to gain from scheduling teams like Fresno, since you get little credit from beating them and look terrible if/when you lose to them.
IMO, better to schedule BCS scrubs than high mid-majors. Would rather play NC State, Washington State, or Mississippi State than Nevada, Fresno, or Toledo. Probably get more money for doing it, don't get shady mid-major refs, and have a better chance of winning.
The reality is this:
With 4 OOC's one of them is going to be on the road. That road game should be against someone that's gonna pay you money (this can be the U or Oregon, etc.). Because you can only schedule 1 FCS (1-AA) team for bowl eligibility purposes you WANT two sh*tty FBS schools to come to your house. There are less sh*tty FBS (1A) teams to pass around like drunk G-Phi's b/c now everyone WANTS 3 of these. Those schools are going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. At this point, unless you have the coin (we don't for well documented reasons), you're gonna get stuck with a high-mid-major or another BCS school both wanting a home-and-home. Once Snyder comes to this realization he'll understand he doesn't have much a choice, and playing two tough OOC's ain't bad as long as one is at home. He might as well just start hoping all the games get scheduled at 1:10pm
Its a numbers thing
i like the north texas and upcoming ucf games. yeah they are road games...but they are road games against teams that we can beat and in good locations. denton is easy for a bunch of fans to get to and orlando is in florida. both great scheduling. basically mini bowl games already in the schedule for when we don't make it to a bowl.
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
This is a good point. If you're gonna schedule non-BCS schools, make sure they're the terrible ones that you'll for sure beat. There's nothing to gain from scheduling teams like Fresno, since you get little credit from beating them and look terrible if/when you lose to them.
IMO, better to schedule BCS scrubs than high mid-majors. Would rather play NC State, Washington State, or Mississippi State than Nevada, Fresno, or Toledo. Probably get more money for doing it, don't get shady mid-major refs, and have a better chance of winning.
The reality is this:
With 4 OOC's one of them is going to be on the road. That road game should be against someone that's gonna pay you money (this can be the U or Oregon, etc.). Because you can only schedule 1 FCS (1-AA) team for bowl eligibility purposes you WANT two sh*tty FBS schools to come to your house. There are less sh*tty FBS (1A) teams to pass around like drunk G-Phi's b/c now everyone WANTS 3 of these. Those schools are going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. At this point, unless you have the coin (we don't for well documented reasons), you're gonna get stuck with a high-mid-major or another BCS school both wanting a home-and-home. Once Snyder comes to this realization he'll understand he doesn't have much a choice, and playing two tough OOC's ain't bad as long as one is at home. He might as well just start hoping all the games get scheduled at 1:10pm
Its a numbers thing
i like the north texas and upcoming ucf games. yeah they are road games...but they are road games against teams that we can beat and in good locations. denton is easy for a bunch of fans to get to and orlando is in florida. both great scheduling. basically mini bowl games already in the schedule for when we don't make it to a bowl.
this
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IMO, better to schedule BCS scrubs than high mid-majors. Would rather play NC State, Washington State, or Mississippi State than Nevada, Fresno, or Toledo. Probably get more money for doing it, don't get shady mid-major refs, and have a better chance of winning.
The reality is this:
With 4 OOC's one of them is going to be on the road. That road game should be against someone that's gonna pay you money (this can be the U or Oregon, etc.). Because you can only schedule 1 FCS (1-AA) team for bowl eligibility purposes you WANT two sh*tty FBS schools to come to your house. There are less sh*tty FBS (1A) teams to pass around like drunk G-Phi's b/c now everyone WANTS 3 of these. Those schools are going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. At this point, unless you have the coin (we don't for well documented reasons), you're gonna get stuck with a high-mid-major or another BCS school both wanting a home-and-home. Once Snyder comes to this realization he'll understand he doesn't have much a choice, and playing two tough OOC's ain't bad as long as one is at home. He might as well just start hoping all the games get scheduled at 1:10pm
Its a numbers thing
I actually think KSU makes more money off 2 for 1 with Sun Belt teams vs home and homes with BCS schools. In both cases, you get home games where you do not have to pay any guarantee but over a 6 year time period, you would get 4 home games out 2 for 1 one and only 3 from home and homes.
Although, it is more likely you get additional dough from TV from a BCS home and home, I doubt it is enough to offset the lost home game (around $500k, anybody confirm?)
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A couple of things:
1 - we were good and not good under snyder because of talent, not the schedule.
2 - whether snyds wants to schedule like he did in his first go around, fine, I guess. My personal opinion is that if you think 2 for 1's with mid major-ish teams are a better deal than home/home's with BCS teams you're f'd in the head. I mean, fresno and marshall were just about the stupidest series we've ever entered into. But right now, bill has to suck it up and be the guy that managed this program through those "tough" games (isn't that what calming the f'ing waters is all about?). We can't afford to buy those games out.
This is a good point. If you're gonna schedule non-BCS schools, make sure they're the terrible ones that you'll for sure beat. There's nothing to gain from scheduling teams like Fresno, since you get little credit from beating them and look terrible if/when you lose to them.
IMO, better to schedule BCS scrubs than high mid-majors. Would rather play NC State, Washington State, or Mississippi State than Nevada, Fresno, or Toledo. Probably get more money for doing it, don't get shady mid-major refs, and have a better chance of winning.
The reality is this:
With 4 OOC's one of them is going to be on the road. That road game should be against someone that's gonna pay you money (this can be the U or Oregon, etc.). Because you can only schedule 1 FCS (1-AA) team for bowl eligibility purposes you WANT two sh*tty FBS schools to come to your house. There are less sh*tty FBS (1A) teams to pass around like drunk G-Phi's b/c now everyone WANTS 3 of these. Those schools are going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. At this point, unless you have the coin (we don't for well documented reasons), you're gonna get stuck with a high-mid-major or another BCS school both wanting a home-and-home. Once Snyder comes to this realization he'll understand he doesn't have much a choice, and playing two tough OOC's ain't bad as long as one is at home. He might as well just start hoping all the games get scheduled at 1:10pm
Its a numbers thing
i like the north texas and upcoming ucf games. yeah they are road games...but they are road games against teams that we can beat and in good locations. denton is easy for a bunch of fans to get to and orlando is in florida. both great scheduling. basically mini bowl games already in the schedule for when we don't make it to a bowl.
Yeah, I would def consider flying to the Orlando game.
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IMO, better to schedule BCS scrubs than high mid-majors. Would rather play NC State, Washington State, or Mississippi State than Nevada, Fresno, or Toledo. Probably get more money for doing it, don't get shady mid-major refs, and have a better chance of winning.
The reality is this:
With 4 OOC's one of them is going to be on the road. That road game should be against someone that's gonna pay you money (this can be the U or Oregon, etc.). Because you can only schedule 1 FCS (1-AA) team for bowl eligibility purposes you WANT two sh*tty FBS schools to come to your house. There are less sh*tty FBS (1A) teams to pass around like drunk G-Phi's b/c now everyone WANTS 3 of these. Those schools are going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. At this point, unless you have the coin (we don't for well documented reasons), you're gonna get stuck with a high-mid-major or another BCS school both wanting a home-and-home. Once Snyder comes to this realization he'll understand he doesn't have much a choice, and playing two tough OOC's ain't bad as long as one is at home. He might as well just start hoping all the games get scheduled at 1:10pm
Its a numbers thing
I actually think KSU makes more money off 2 for 1 with Sun Belt teams vs home and homes with BCS schools. In both cases, you get home games where you do not have to pay any guarantee but over a 6 year time period, you would get 4 home games out 2 for 1 one and only 3 from home and homes.
Although, it is more likely you get additional dough from TV from a BCS home and home, I doubt it is enough to offset the lost home game (around $500k, anybody confirm?)
The only thing that matters is TV. I'm guessing a decent chunk of whatever they turn at the gate ends up paying the visitor to show up