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Title: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 01:23:57 PM
I thought this was a pretty interesting article. I've always been of the mind that if you're old enough to enlist in the army, you're old enough to drink.

http://time.com/72546/drinking-age-alcohol-repeal/
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: OK_Cat on April 23, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
I can't think of one 18 year old that I would want drinking (legally). Awful idea.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 01:40:48 PM
18 is probably too young to be put in a combat situation, IMO.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
If you are an adult for all other intents and purposes at 18 then you should be able to drink legally as an adult.

Also, is this true... :surprised:
"pot ... can produce physiological feminization in men."
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2014, 01:55:27 PM
Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 01:55:40 PM
We have plenty of time to be alcoholics. We don't need an extra 3 year start to do it.  :nono:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
We have plenty of time to be alcoholics. We don't need an extra 3 year start to do it.  :nono:

Yeah because there aren't any 18-20 year olds drinking alcohol now due to it being illegal.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 01:57:41 PM
We have plenty of time to be alcoholics. We don't need an extra 3 year start to do it.  :nono:

Yeah because there aren't any 18-20 year olds drinking alcohol now due to it being illegal.
Fair, but they're conservative with it.  :dunno: I don't know, I don't really care I guess.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

But you have to be 17 to get a full driver's license (in Kansas).
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 23, 2014, 02:00:25 PM
The only two times I scared my self due to being dangerously drunk was when I was underage(under 18 too, though).

Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

But you have to be 17 to get a full driver's license (in Kansas).

Really?  When did that change?  Used to be able to get a learners at 14, restricted(work and school) anytime after 14 when you take the test, and full at 16.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 02:01:39 PM
How are 16 year olds suppose to work and save up for college if they can't drive? :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 02:02:14 PM
The article was interesting (if not insanely biased) I'd be curious to read an article with a solid counterpoint.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 02:02:42 PM
The only two times I scared my self due to being dangerously drunk was when I was underage(under 18 too, though).

Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

But you have to be 17 to get a full driver's license (in Kansas).

Really?  When did that change?  Used to be able to get a learners at 14, restricted(work and school) anytime after 14 when you take the test, and full at 16.

It has been changed for many years. Now you have to go through all these steps at different ages with a bunch of hours of driving experience to move from one step to the next.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 23, 2014, 02:04:35 PM
That sounds horrible.  They shouldn't do that, they should just make the driving test last more than once around the block.

Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 02:04:54 PM
How are 16 year olds suppose to work and save up for college if they can't drive? :dunno:

You can get a restricted permit at 15 which allows to you to drive to work (but only after having a learner's permit for a full year).
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

A group of like minded students and I tried to push a law through the Kansas Legislature after 5 driving related deaths in our area in one year by young drivers.  It unfortunately died in committee. I would be curious to see what the correlation in other nations between driving age and driving licensing are in order to determine if that is a worthwhile endeavor. 

On the topic at hand. . .the article mentions how most countries in the world allow younger drinking.  Is there any proof that younger drinking age leads to more drinking responsibility?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 02:07:50 PM
How are 16 year olds suppose to work and save up for college if they can't drive? :dunno:

You can get a restricted permit at 15 which allows to you to drive to work (but only after having a learner's permit for a full year).
Yeah, I know, but mich is saying he doesn't want 16 year olds driving. I was just asking what they're suppose to be doing at the age?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 02:08:30 PM
How are 16 year olds suppose to work and save up for college if they can't drive? :dunno:

You can get a restricted permit at 15 which allows to you to drive to work (but only after having a learner's permit for a full year).
Yeah, I know, but mich is saying he doesn't want 16 year olds driving. I was just asking what they're suppose to be doing at the age?
:thumbs:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: OK_Cat on April 23, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
Move driving age to 18
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2014, 02:09:44 PM
How are 16 year olds suppose to work and save up for college if they can't drive? :dunno:

take the bus, ride a bike, get a ride, etc.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 02:13:09 PM
Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

A group of like minded students and I tried to push a law through the Kansas Legislature after 5 driving related deaths in our area in one year by young drivers.  It unfortunately died in committee. I would be curious to see what the correlation in other nations between driving age and driving licensing are in order to determine if that is a worthwhile endeavor. 

On the topic at hand. . .the article mentions how most countries in the world allow younger drinking.  Is there any proof that younger drinking age leads to more drinking responsibility?

1 out of every 5 military deaths are soldiers under 21.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:16:13 PM
Here's an idea, let's send our children to college with 1 year or less driving experience.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 02:17:45 PM
Here's an idea, let's send our children to college with 1 year or less driving experience.

Or drive a tank after having driven a car for 6 months.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 23, 2014, 02:18:04 PM
Here's an idea, let's send our children to college with 1 year or less driving experience.

Am fine with that as long as they can conceal carry.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 02:18:18 PM

Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

A group of like minded students and I tried to push a law through the Kansas Legislature after 5 driving related deaths in our area in one year by young drivers.  It unfortunately died in committee. I would be curious to see what the correlation in other nations between driving age and driving licensing are in order to determine if that is a worthwhile endeavor. 

On the topic at hand. . .the article mentions how most countries in the world allow younger drinking.  Is there any proof that younger drinking age leads to more drinking responsibility?

When was this? I closely monitor all public policy discussions regarding transportation in the state of Kansas, and I've never heard of that initiative from you and your fellow enterprising young scholars.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
Here's an idea, let's send our children to college with 1 year or less driving experience.

Or drive a tank after having driven a car for 6 months.

Tanks seem a lot safer than cars.  :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
I mean think about it, how many people die in tanks a year?  Probably not very many.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:21:11 PM
So few apparently we don't even keep statistics on it.  You know what kills more people than tanks?  Hot air balloons.   :sdeek:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
All kinds of tank accidents on Youtube.

http://youtu.be/sTcr7AwCCBw
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:30:48 PM
All kinds of tank accidents on Youtube.

http://youtu.be/sTcr7AwCCBw

Don't see any injuries.  :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
I bet Steve Dave Jr thinks tricycles are dangerous, too.   :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tea4xmNXK0
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 02:34:27 PM
I bet Steve Dave Jr thinks tricycles are dangerous, too.   :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tea4xmNXK0

I'm pretty sure there were some injuries in that tricycle montage. Had to be.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 02:34:45 PM
I agree on lowering the drinking age. I'd take it all the way down to 16 or 17 to get kids some exposure to legal drinking prior to heading off to college. It seems to work most everywhere else in the world. But, I'd also raise the driving age to 20 (farm kids could still drive combines at 14 bc that's awesome). I would also raise the voting age to 30 unless you either (a) enlist in the military, or (b) own real property. I would also re-ban pot because, while there's always an exception that proves the rule, I've never met a frequent pot smoker who wasn't a lazy slob. I knew some pretty smart kids in high school that got heavy into weed. Things did not go so well after high school for them.

All of these changes would significantly improve our society and government.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
I've met plenty of pot smokers who are not lazy slobs. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:37:45 PM
I've met plenty of pot smokers who are not lazy slobs. :dunno:

Braggart. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 23, 2014, 02:40:03 PM
I agree on lowering the drinking age. I'd take it all the way down to 16 or 17 to get kids some exposure to legal drinking prior to heading off to college. It seems to work most everywhere else in the world. But, I'd also raise the driving age to 20 (farm kids could still drive combines at 14 bc that's awesome). I would also raise the voting age to 30 unless you either (a) enlist in the military, or (b) own real property. I would also re-ban pot because, while there's always an exception that proves the rule, I've never met a frequent pot smoker who wasn't a lazy slob. I knew some pretty smart kids in high school that got heavy into weed. Things did not go so well after high school for them.

All of these changes would significantly improve our society and government.

I guarantee you have met a surprisingly high number, but had no clue.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 02:44:57 PM
The whole "pot smokers are lazy slobs" talking point is a myth.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Unruly on April 23, 2014, 02:45:03 PM
Anyone that would be for lowering the drinking age to 16, but keeping pot illegal, is a complete bona fide Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 02:49:06 PM
The whole "pot smokers are lazy slobs" talking point is a myth.
I think it's 50/50.  My roommate in college was a rough ridin' loser and worthless. However, I know many that aren't. Just like alcohol, some can handle it, some can't.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
Sure, you're average 17 year old high school stoner bro is probably lazy. But I'm talking about adults that have real life responsibilities who use recreationally.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
The whole "pot smokers are lazy slobs" talking point is a myth.
I think it's 50/50.  My roommate in college was a rough ridin' loser and worthless. However, I know many that aren't. Just like alcohol, some can handle it, some can't.

That doesn't quite add up to 50/50. :)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
@ell I know a lot of successful pot smokers. My brother came out to my parents this last year that he does it on a regular basis, like he was coming out of the closet. It was a big deal to him, but they've known for years. :lol:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 02:52:32 PM
The whole "pot smokers are lazy slobs" talking point is a myth.
I think it's 50/50.  My roommate in college was a rough ridin' loser and worthless. However, I know many that aren't. Just like alcohol, some can handle it, some can't.

That doesn't quite add up to 50/50. :)
:shakesfist: :)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 02:52:40 PM
Alcohol destroys far more lives and families than pot. Honestly it's rough ridin' ridiculous that binge drinking is socially acceptable but if you smoke a joint you're automatically labeled a loser.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 02:53:10 PM
I agree.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
artifacts like K-S-U better start swimming, or they'll sink like a stone.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
Alcohol destroys far more lives and families than pot. Honestly it's rough ridin' ridiculous that binge drinking is socially acceptable but if you smoke a joint you're automatically labeled a loser.

It's because no one smokes joints anymore grandpa.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: OregonSmock on April 23, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
How can you claim to be a small government conservative, and then want to increase the voting age to 30 and ban marijuana?  I mean, those things seem kind of contradictory. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
Sure, some pot smokers are lazy just like some non-pot smokers are lazy. Some 17 year old pot smokers are lazy just like some 17 year old non-pot smokers are lazy; and some 17 year old pot smokers are not lazy.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Sure, some pot smokers are lazy just like some non-pot smokers are lazy. Some 17 year old pot smokers are lazy just like some 17 year old non-pot smokers are lazy; and some 17 year old pot smokers are not lazy.

so, 50/50
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2014, 02:59:31 PM
Sure, some pot smokers are lazy just like some non-pot smokers are lazy. Some 17 year old pot smokers are lazy just like some 17 year old non-pot smokers are lazy; and some 17 year old pot smokers are not lazy.

so, 50/50

Not 50/50, WackySpracne.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 03:00:11 PM
I agree on lowering the drinking age. I'd take it all the way down to 16 or 17 to get kids some exposure to legal drinking prior to heading off to college. It seems to work most everywhere else in the world. But, I'd also raise the driving age to 20 (farm kids could still drive combines at 14 bc that's awesome). I would also raise the voting age to 30 unless you either (a) enlist in the military, or (b) own real property. I would also re-ban pot because, while there's always an exception that proves the rule, I've never met a frequent pot smoker who wasn't a lazy slob. I knew some pretty smart kids in high school that got heavy into weed. Things did not go so well after high school for them.

All of these changes would significantly improve our society and government.

JFC. Are you kidding me with this crap? It's not even worth my time to argue against your stupidity.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:03:28 PM
I'm more of a status quo guy.  Unless I disagree with something, in which case I think we should look into changing it. 

I feel the same way about taxes.  I think some tax increases are ok, unless it affects me.  Also, it's important to monitor our citizens in order to keep us all safe, as long as you stay out of my business, because I'm just a law-abiding citizen.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
Sure, some pot smokers are lazy just like some non-pot smokers are lazy. Some 17 year old pot smokers are lazy just like some 17 year old non-pot smokers are lazy; and some 17 year old pot smokers are not lazy.

so, 50/50
CASE CLOSED!
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
Alcohol destroys far more lives and families than pot. Honestly it's rough ridin' ridiculous that binge drinking is socially acceptable but if you smoke a joint you're automatically labeled a loser.

It's because no one smokes joints anymore grandpa.

Joints and edibles are the way to go and I'm very good at making both. (#FanningBrag)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 03:11:14 PM
Alcohol destroys far more lives and families than pot. Honestly it's rough ridin' ridiculous that binge drinking is socially acceptable but if you smoke a joint you're automatically labeled a loser.

It's because no one smokes joints anymore grandpa.

Joints and edibles are the way to go and I'm very good at making both. (#FanningBrag)

whoa, dude. #vapelife
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
Alcohol destroys far more lives and families than pot. Honestly it's rough ridin' ridiculous that binge drinking is socially acceptable but if you smoke a joint you're automatically labeled a loser.

It's because no one smokes joints anymore grandpa.

Joints and edibles are the way to go and I'm very good at making both. (#FanningBrag)

Whatever criminal.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:12:30 PM
Alcohol destroys far more lives and families than pot. Honestly it's rough ridin' ridiculous that binge drinking is socially acceptable but if you smoke a joint you're automatically labeled a loser.

It's because no one smokes joints anymore grandpa.

Joints and edibles are the way to go and I'm very good at making both. (#FanningBrag)

whoa, dude. #vapelife

No-can-do-sville, team #buttbud
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:15:20 PM
One time I smoked up w/ my brother (allegedly) in New Orleans. Afterwards we walked down bourbon st. and it was the most terrifying experience of my life.  :ohno:

 :lol:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 03:16:44 PM
How can you claim to be a small government conservative, and then want to increase the voting age to 30 and ban marijuana?  I mean, those things seem kind of contradictory.

That's because you're a dumbass that doesn't understand the difference between "small government conservative" and a libertarian. And simply changing the voting age is not a matter if big or small government - it's just a change in law, though raising the voting age to 30 would result in a lot fewer young naive libtards from voting, resulting in a more conservative government.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 03:20:38 PM
How can you claim to be a small government conservative, and then want to increase the voting age to 30 and ban marijuana?  I mean, those things seem kind of contradictory.

That's because you're a dumbass that doesn't understand the difference between "small government conservative" and a libertarian. And simply changing the voting age is not a matter if big or small government - it's just a change in law, though raising the voting age to 30 would result in a lot fewer young naive libtards from voting, resulting in a more conservative government.

I think we shouldn't let anyone over 70 vote since they're going to die soon anyway. Then that will result in a more liberal government.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 03:20:52 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Denial of what?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:22:04 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Other side effects include:  Hungry, Happy, Sleepy
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Denial of what?

Exactly, Ell. Exactly. Think about it.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 03:23:18 PM
Holy crap, K-S-U Wildcats hates freedom.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 23, 2014, 03:23:53 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
50/50 :gocho:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.

I knew a priest that chieffed the occasional spliff.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: The Big Train on April 23, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
I had absinthe when I was in spain several years ago, it def should be legal here.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:28:53 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.

Define "a bunch."  I'd personally put the percentage of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot regularly at less than 20%.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
This is quite the pickle.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 03:31:14 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Denial of what?

Exactly, Ell. Exactly. Think about it.

I'm willing to bet you've done 0 research on the subject. You're basing your opinion on your small little bubble of experiences with a handful of lazy stoners. You neglect to recognize the benefits and expand on bullshit refer madness talking points like every one who smokes pot is a worthless piece of crap. I'm just glad that you and dumbasses like yourself are now in the minority with your stupid rough ridin' opinions on this subject. It's going to be legalized everywhere soon enough so deal with it. Try doing some research yourself instead of listening to that fear mongering psychopath, Nancy Grace. Have a nice day and go eff yourself.  :Flipped off x2:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: The Big Train on April 23, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

Training Day was a documentary about this, correct?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Holy crap, K-S-U Wildcats hates freedom.

No, I generally like freedom, as long as it comes with accountability. I'd be more inclined to support pot legalization if I wasn't also being forced to pay for the healthcare and other entitlements for the growing number of lazy slobs that pot and other drug legalization will ultimately produce.

It's pretty simple, really. Freedom AND Accountability. Gotta have both.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: TownieCat on April 23, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Denial of what?

Exactly, Ell. Exactly. Think about it.

I'm willing to bet you've done 0 research on the subject. You're basing your opinion on your small little bubble of experiences with a handful of lazy stoners. You neglect to recognize the benefits and expand on bullshit refer madness talking points like every one who smokes pot is a worthless piece of crap. I'm just glad that you and dumbasses like yourself are now in the minority with your stupid rough ridin' opinions on this subject. It's going to be legalized everywhere soon enough so deal with it. Try doing some research yourself instead of listening to that fear mongering psychopath, Nancy Grace. Have a nice day and go eff yourself.  :Flipped off x2:

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 03:33:07 PM

Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

A group of like minded students and I tried to push a law through the Kansas Legislature after 5 driving related deaths in our area in one year by young drivers.  It unfortunately died in committee. I would be curious to see what the correlation in other nations between driving age and driving licensing are in order to determine if that is a worthwhile endeavor. 

On the topic at hand. . .the article mentions how most countries in the world allow younger drinking.  Is there any proof that younger drinking age leads to more drinking responsibility?

When was this? I closely monitor all public policy discussions regarding transportation in the state of Kansas, and I've never heard of that initiative from you and your fellow enterprising young scholars.

Way back in 2002.  We made it to nationals in a community problem solving competition but failed to take the prize because it didn't make it to vote.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:33:28 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

I'd say the average cop has a lower moral threshold then the average perfectly functional professional.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

Training Day was a documentary about this, correct?
Confirmed. Also, plus that one movie with the cops and farva. Both true stories.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 23, 2014, 03:34:47 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.

Define "a bunch."  I'd personally put the percentage of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot regularly at less than 20%.

I am sure that it varies by profession/industry.  I know in the world of construction, designers, and education (the three industries I know many ppl in) it is pretty prevalent. 

Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: The Big Train on April 23, 2014, 03:35:28 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

Training Day was a documentary about this, correct?
Confirmed. Also, plus that one movie with the cops and farva. Both true stories.

Super Troopers was also a great documentary.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 03:35:58 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Denial of what?

Exactly, Ell. Exactly. Think about it.

I'm willing to bet you've done 0 research on the subject. You're basing your opinion on your small little bubble of experiences with a handful of lazy stoners. You neglect to recognize the benefits and expand on bullshit refer madness talking points like every one who smokes pot is a worthless piece of crap. I'm just glad that you and dumbasses like yourself are now in the minority with your stupid rough ridin' opinions on this subject. It's going to be legalized everywhere soon enough so deal with it. Try doing some research yourself instead of listening to that fear mongering psychopath, Nancy Grace. Have a nice day and go eff yourself.  :Flipped off x2:

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:36:19 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.

Define "a bunch."  I'd personally put the percentage of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot regularly at less than 20%.

I am sure that it varies by profession/industry.  I know in the world of construction, designers, and education (the three industries I know many ppl in) it is pretty prevalent.

Like more than 20% you think? 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.

Define "a bunch."  I'd personally put the percentage of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot regularly at less than 20%.

I am sure that it varies by profession/industry.  I know in the world of construction, designers, and education (the three industries I know many ppl in) it is pretty prevalent.

Like more than 20% you think?

It might be as low as 20% in some professions where random drug testing is a concern.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 23, 2014, 03:38:23 PM
If you don't know a bunch of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot, you either don't know many ppl closely at all, or work for a church or something.

The pot smokers are lazy talking point is about as accurate as saying that liberals are stupid or republicans are heartless.

Define "a bunch."  I'd personally put the percentage of perfectly functional professionals that smoke pot regularly at less than 20%.

I am sure that it varies by profession/industry.  I know in the world of construction, designers, and education (the three industries I know many ppl in) it is pretty prevalent.

Like more than 20% you think?

It depends on how often someone has to smoke it to be counted, but possibly, yes.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:38:44 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

Training Day was a documentary about this, correct?
Confirmed. Also, plus that one movie with the cops and farva. Both true stories.

Super Troopers was also a great documentary.
:thumbs: Thank you. That brain fart was driving me crazy.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 03:40:29 PM
I think it's fair to say that the effect of legalizing pot is not measurable at this point.  With any substance that can change a mind state it takes experience and personal responsibility to use it.  I know plenty of people that shouldn't be allowed to drink or smoke, but that is because they don't understand moderation.  The simple fact that you can't overdose on THC by smoking marijuana already makes it safer than alcohol.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:40:45 PM

Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

A group of like minded students and I tried to push a law through the Kansas Legislature after 5 driving related deaths in our area in one year by young drivers.  It unfortunately died in committee. I would be curious to see what the correlation in other nations between driving age and driving licensing are in order to determine if that is a worthwhile endeavor. 

On the topic at hand. . .the article mentions how most countries in the world allow younger drinking.  Is there any proof that younger drinking age leads to more drinking responsibility?

When was this? I closely monitor all public policy discussions regarding transportation in the state of Kansas, and I've never heard of that initiative from you and your fellow enterprising young scholars.

Way back in 2002.  We made it to nationals in a community problem solving competition but failed to take the prize because it didn't make it to vote.

That's fair.  Can't really solve any problems in the community if a bill doesn't even make it out of committee.  That's about as useful as pissing in a shoe. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 03:40:59 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

Training Day was a documentary about this, correct?
Confirmed. Also, plus that one movie with the cops and farva. Both true stories.

Super Troopers was also a great documentary.
:thumbs: Thank you. That brain fart was driving me crazy.

Could it be because you have been smoking pot recently?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
What would you say the percentage of cops are that do it? One step further, what do you think the percentage of cops that do it off of product taken from citizens?

Training Day was a documentary about this, correct?
Confirmed. Also, plus that one movie with the cops and farva. Both true stories.

Super Troopers was also a great documentary.
:thumbs: Thank you. That brain fart was driving me crazy.

Could it be because you have been smoking pot recently?
More than likely. Did it for the first time last weekend in a very very long time. It was a blast. I had to have my gf drive me home from the bar. I had plans to grill out that night and it didn't turn out that well under the conditions. Everything has been a blur since.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
How can you claim to be a small government conservative, and then want to increase the voting age to 30 and ban marijuana?  I mean, those things seem kind of contradictory.

That's because you're a dumbass that doesn't understand the difference between "small government conservative" and a libertarian. And simply changing the voting age is not a matter if big or small government - it's just a change in law, though raising the voting age to 30 would result in a lot fewer young naive libtards from voting, resulting in a more conservative government.

I think we shouldn't let anyone over 70 vote since they're going to die soon anyway. Then that will result in a more liberal government.

We should at least stop giving them driver's licenses.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
Holy crap, K-S-U Wildcats hates freedom.

No, I generally like freedom, as long as it comes with accountability. I'd be more inclined to support pot legalization if I wasn't also being forced to pay for the healthcare and other entitlements for the growing number of lazy slobs that pot and other drug legalization will ultimately produce.

It's pretty simple, really. Freedom AND Accountability. Gotta have both.

What in the eff are you talking about? What #'s do you have to back up this insane claim? I bet you feel really strong about banning McDonalds and cigarettes too then huh?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:51:43 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:53:03 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:53:24 PM
Holy crap, K-S-U Wildcats hates freedom.

No, I generally like freedom, as long as it comes with accountability. I'd be more inclined to support pot legalization if I wasn't also being forced to pay for the healthcare and other entitlements for the growing number of lazy slobs that pot and other drug legalization will ultimately produce.

It's pretty simple, really. Freedom AND Accountability. Gotta have both.

What in the eff are you talking about? What #'s do you have to back up this insane claim? I bet you feel really strong about banning McDonalds and cigarettes too then huh?

Actually, from the standpoint of an economist, lazy pot smokers should smoke a lot of cigarettes so that they die younger and thus consume less benefits as geriatrics. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 23, 2014, 03:54:23 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 03:55:19 PM
I like the idea that you can't vote until you are an independent and paying your own taxes.  This seems like the most appropriate time to start being involved in government.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 03:55:41 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: OregonSmock on April 23, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
How can you claim to be a small government conservative, and then want to increase the voting age to 30 and ban marijuana?  I mean, those things seem kind of contradictory.

That's because you're a dumbass that doesn't understand the difference between "small government conservative" and a libertarian. And simply changing the voting age is not a matter if big or small government - it's just a change in law, though raising the voting age to 30 would result in a lot fewer young naive libtards from voting, resulting in a more conservative government.


Let's break this down:

1. Increasing voting age to 30:

-Government would be required to increase federal voting regulations, which would lead to less people having the freedom to vote, as well as increased costs associated with enforcement and legal challenges. 

-Conclusion:  this would increase government regulations and restrictions, therefore it contradicts your libertarian/small government charade. 

2.  Banning marijuana:

-States and federal government would be required to increase regulations and enforcements of marijuana laws, which would have several negative consequences, including reduced tax revenue in states where recreational use is currently legalized.  Our overcrowded prison system would become even more overcrowded with the massive increase in non-violent criminals, which would increase the tax burden on local taxpayers and needlessly imprison a significant portion of the population. 

-Conclusion:  this would increase government regulations and restrictions, and put many non-violent criminals in jail, therefore contradicting your libertarian/small government charade.


Overall conclusion:

K-S-U is a total right wing hack.

Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 04:01:57 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:04:19 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.

Are you suggesting they hide it?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 04:05:08 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.

Are you suggesting they hide it?
It's not like your buddies come to work and brag they had one beer last night.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 23, 2014, 04:05:56 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.

Are you suggesting they hide it?

Maybe they just aren't announcing it? I mean, how would you know unless you are secretly collecting urine from the urinals and testing it? Are you doing that?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 23, 2014, 04:07:11 PM
i'm pretty sure my sister doesn't sit in the teacher's lounge and talk about how she smoked pot and played with the kids in the backyard yesterday before dinner :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:07:16 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.

Are you suggesting they hide it?
It's not like your buddies come to work and brag they had one beer last night.

Some people say they smoke.  Are they bragging?  Lying?   :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 04:07:29 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.

Are you suggesting they hide it?

Possibly, in fear of being looked down upon and judged by the adulterers and alcoholics of the office.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:07:47 PM
I would say someone is a pot smoker if they buy it themselves for personal consumption on a regular basis.  I guarantee it's lower than 20% among the people I work with and know well enough to know if they do or not. 

well given that like 6% of the general population self-identify as habitual smokers on the annual health & human services survey, you've got some wiggle room to sniff these guys out

I'd be okay with saying 6% of my colleagues smoke regularly.  There might be a few I don't know about, but I know about affairs, alcoholism, and other illicit activities, so I'm not sure why pot would escape me.

Probably because it's not a topic of gossip. I'm sure they just go home, occasionally smoke a little weed and come to work the next day.

Are you suggesting they hide it?

Maybe they just aren't announcing it? I mean, how would you know unless you are secretly collecting urine from the urinals and testing it? Are you doing that?

How would you know unless you are secretly collecting urine from the urinals and testing it? Are you doing that?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 04:08:35 PM
those aren't cakes in the urinals...they're cup-cakes  :sdeek:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
Judging from the turn this thread took, I think I've discovered another unfortunate side effect of frequent pot use: boatloads of denial.

Other side effects include:  Hungry, Happy, Sleepy

That's all!
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:09:35 PM
If anything this thread has taught me that potheads are unconfident losers.   :D
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2014, 04:13:26 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 04:17:31 PM
Fanning weed stories always make me laugh my ass off because he makes it sound like he took mushrooms or something
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:17:46 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.

Can't tell if serious.  :dubious:

Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 23, 2014, 04:19:39 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

How 'bout this, if you pay a net positive in federal income taxes and social security, you can vote, no matter your citizenship status or age. By net positive I mean you and your employer have paid the US government more on your behalf than you and your dependents have received in direct subsidies and tax credits (not income deductions). Every July you get a voter ID card from the treasury department. When you reach retirement age, you can automatically vote.
No, you can't monetize infrastructure use, everyone uses that for free.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
Fanning weed stories always make me laugh my ass off because he makes it sound like he took mushrooms or something

Smoking with the Fanman is on my bucket list. What a great night in the ville that would be.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 23, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
that would be adorable and i would buy the dvd
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
we've seriously got people in this thread attempting to design a modern day poll tax. wtf?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 04:22:02 PM
Would be fantastic
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: OregonSmock on April 23, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
If anything this thread has taught me that potheads are unconfident losers.   :D


The guy who wants to go back to pre-Civil War era voting laws is calling potheads "unconfident losers." 


 :love:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2014, 04:22:54 PM
Fanning weed stories always make me laugh my ass off because he makes it sound like he took mushrooms or something

Smoking with the Fanman is on my bucket list. What a great night in the ville that would be.
I can dig it.  :) Can you dig it? That's what happens when you smoke like 2 or 3 times a year. It becomes a magical journey.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 04:24:04 PM
Fanning weed stories always make me laugh my ass off because he makes it sound like he took mushrooms or something

Smoking with the Fanman is on my bucket list. What a great night in the ville that would be.
I can dig it.  :) Can you dig it? That's what happens when you smoke like 2 or 3 times a year. It becomes a magical journey.

Fanman is gonna join the jazz band!
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 23, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
we've seriously got people in this thread attempting to design a modern day poll tax. wtf?

drugs.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
We should auction off a jazz band smoke sesh experience with myself and certain other gE elites at Fatty Fest.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2014, 04:30:14 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

How 'bout this, if you pay a net positive in federal income taxes and social security, you can vote, no matter your citizenship status or age. By net positive I mean you and your employer have paid the US government more on your behalf than you and your dependents have received in direct subsidies and tax credits (not income deductions). Every July you get a voter ID card from the treasury department. When you reach retirement age, you can automatically vote.
No, you can't monetize infrastructure use, everyone uses that for free.

Why do you want the retirees voting? They are lazy, unmotivated leeches who pay in nothing.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2014, 04:32:15 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.

Can't tell if serious.  :dubious:

You understand that your taxes don't all go to the same place, right? Why would property ownership have anything at all to do with voting for federal offices?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
we've seriously got people in this thread attempting to design a modern day poll tax. wtf?

drugs.

take one too many bong rips and you completely forget high school civics.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.

Can't tell if serious.  :dubious:

You understand that your taxes don't all go to the same place, right? Why would property ownership have anything at all to do with voting for federal offices?

You understand that the deduction isn't for ownership, but for interest paid on the note, right?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

How 'bout this, if you pay a net positive in federal income taxes and social security, you can vote, no matter your citizenship status or age. By net positive I mean you and your employer have paid the US government more on your behalf than you and your dependents have received in direct subsidies and tax credits (not income deductions). Every July you get a voter ID card from the treasury department. When you reach retirement age, you can automatically vote.
No, you can't monetize infrastructure use, everyone uses that for free.

Why do you want the retirees voting? They are lazy, unmotivated leeches who pay in nothing.

Because they have so much  WISDOM! :Yoda:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 23, 2014, 04:37:24 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

How 'bout this, if you pay a net positive in federal income taxes and social security, you can vote, no matter your citizenship status or age. By net positive I mean you and your employer have paid the US government more on your behalf than you and your dependents have received in direct subsidies and tax credits (not income deductions). Every July you get a voter ID card from the treasury department. When you reach retirement age, you can automatically vote.
No, you can't monetize infrastructure use, everyone uses that for free.

Why do you want the retirees voting? They are lazy, unmotivated leeches who pay in nothing.

Maybe, but they're experienced at it so that's a net positive.

Seems we have a lot of net negatives here.  :surprised:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2014, 04:42:53 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.

Can't tell if serious.  :dubious:

You understand that your taxes don't all go to the same place, right? Why would property ownership have anything at all to do with voting for federal offices?

You understand that the deduction isn't for ownership, but for interest paid on the note, right?

Well, yeah. I was just generally speaking. In no case does somebody pay more taxes for owning a home. In most cases, they actually pay less.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:46:18 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.

Can't tell if serious.  :dubious:

You understand that your taxes don't all go to the same place, right? Why would property ownership have anything at all to do with voting for federal offices?

You understand that the deduction isn't for ownership, but for interest paid on the note, right?

Well, yeah. I was just generally speaking. In no case does somebody pay more taxes for owning a home. In most cases, they actually pay less.

I don't really care about more or less, I just care about some.  Pay some = vote.  Pay none = no vote. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 04:47:12 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

You're right. We'd better lower the voting age to 14.

The thing the libtards can't seem to grasp is that there's nothing sacred or empirically superior to voting at 18, versus 21 (the way it was until 1971) or any other age or non-discriminatory standard. The hysteria over "poll tax" and slavery is pretty :lol:.

It was a good idea, for example, to drop the voting age to 18 back when pretty much any eligible male was subject to the draft. We don't really have that in practice today, but it still makes perfect sense to allow people who enlist to possibly die for their country to vote. That same logic doesn't apply to the lazy (pot smoking) eternal adolescent playing video games in mom and dad's basement.

Democracy fails when a majority of the voting populous figures out (with the help of a certain political party) that it can vote itself largess from the treasury. The best way to fix this is to restrict voting to those who, as our current president is fond of saying but doesn't actually believe, have some "skin in the game" and have a certain level of experience in the real world. There's no perfect test for that, and some perfectly responsible people might be disenfranchised by any test, just as our current test likely disenfranchises some perfectly responsible people younger than 18. But in theory, you ought not be voting if you're taking from the government more than you've paid in. Politically and realistically this is impossible, but I thought we were talking wish list stuff.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 04:50:56 PM
sounds like you'd prefer an aristocracy.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 23, 2014, 04:53:46 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

You get a deduction for owning property, though. That means you pay less, not more.

Can't tell if serious.  :dubious:

You understand that your taxes don't all go to the same place, right? Why would property ownership have anything at all to do with voting for federal offices?

You understand that the deduction isn't for ownership, but for interest paid on the note, right?

Well, yeah. I was just generally speaking. In no case does somebody pay more taxes for owning a home. In most cases, they actually pay less.

Depends on where you live. Property taxes can be a killer.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2014, 04:55:42 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

You're right. We'd better lower the voting age to 14.

The thing the libtards can't seem to grasp is that there's nothing sacred or empirically superior to voting at 18, versus 21 (the way it was until 1971) or any other age or non-discriminatory standard. The hysteria over "poll tax" and slavery is pretty :lol:.

It was a good idea, for example, to drop the voting age to 18 back when pretty much any eligible male was subject to the draft. We don't really have that in practice today, but it still makes perfect sense to allow people who enlist to possibly die for their country to vote. That same logic doesn't apply to the lazy (pot smoking) eternal adolescent playing video games in mom and dad's basement.

Democracy fails when a majority of the voting populous figures out (with the help of a certain political party) that it can vote itself largess from the treasury. The best way to fix this is to restrict voting to those who, as our current president is fond of saying but doesn't actually believe, have some "skin in the game" and have a certain level of experience in the real world. There's no perfect test for that, and some perfectly responsible people might be disenfranchised by any test, just as our current test likely disenfranchises some perfectly responsible people younger than 18. But in theory, you ought not be voting if you're taking from the government more than you've paid in. Politically and realistically this is impossible, but I thought we were talking wish list stuff.

18 year olds aren't subject to a potential draft anymore? News to me.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 04:56:39 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

Those people could vote then.   :D 

Obviously I"m not going to stipulate every little nuance of how I think it should work, I haven't even thought about it that much.  I just believe in the theme that a vote should be valued and earned.  Deadbeats who contribute absolutely nothing to society shouldn't be automatically awarded something valuable like a vote.  What's the percentage of the population that fits that description?  Probably very very very small.  Would the effort needed to make this change be worth any potential or perceived gains?  Probably not.  But it's just an idea, man.   :D  Honestly I think our entire tax code needs reform.  #nomoreobfuscation
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2014, 04:58:49 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

Those people could vote then.   :D 

Obviously I"m not going to stipulate every little nuance of how I think it should work, I haven't even thought about it that much.  I just believe in the theme that a vote should be valued and earned.  Deadbeats who contribute absolutely nothing to society shouldn't be automatically awarded something valuable like a vote.  What's the percentage of the population that fits that description?  Probably very very very small.  Would the effort needed to make this change be worth any potential or perceived gains?  Probably not.  But it's just an idea, man.   :D  Honestly I think our entire tax code needs reform.  #nomoreobfuscation

What percentage of the population that fits that description actually takes the time to vote in your estimation? It's well under 20% in my experience.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

How 'bout this, if you pay a net positive in federal income taxes and social security, you can vote, no matter your citizenship status or age. By net positive I mean you and your employer have paid the US government more on your behalf than you and your dependents have received in direct subsidies and tax credits (not income deductions). Every July you get a voter ID card from the treasury department. When you reach retirement age, you can automatically vote.
No, you can't monetize infrastructure use, everyone uses that for free.

Why do you want the retirees voting? They are lazy, unmotivated leeches who pay in nothing.

Because they have so much  WISDOM! :Yoda:

Wisdom's a gift, but I'd trade it for youth.  Age is an honour; it's still not the truth.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 23, 2014, 05:00:20 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

You're right. We'd better lower the voting age to 14.

The thing the libtards can't seem to grasp is that there's nothing sacred or empirically superior to voting at 18, versus 21 (the way it was until 1971) or any other age or non-discriminatory standard. The hysteria over "poll tax" and slavery is pretty :lol:.

It was a good idea, for example, to drop the voting age to 18 back when pretty much any eligible male was subject to the draft. We don't really have that in practice today, but it still makes perfect sense to allow people who enlist to possibly die for their country to vote. That same logic doesn't apply to the lazy (pot smoking) eternal adolescent playing video games in mom and dad's basement.

Democracy fails when a majority of the voting populous figures out (with the help of a certain political party) that it can vote itself largess from the treasury. The best way to fix this is to restrict voting to those who, as our current president is fond of saying but doesn't actually believe, have some "skin in the game" and have a certain level of experience in the real world. There's no perfect test for that, and some perfectly responsible people might be disenfranchised by any test, just as our current test likely disenfranchises some perfectly responsible people younger than 18. But in theory, you ought not be voting if you're taking from the government more than you've paid in. Politically and realistically this is impossible, but I thought we were talking wish list stuff.

18 year olds aren't subject to a potential draft anymore? News to me.

Males still have to register for selective service in order to vote. The draft doesn't not exist anymore, it's just not used.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 23, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

Those people could vote then.   :D 

Obviously I"m not going to stipulate every little nuance of how I think it should work, I haven't even thought about it that much.  I just believe in the theme that a vote should be valued and earned.  Deadbeats who contribute absolutely nothing to society shouldn't be automatically awarded something valuable like a vote.  What's the percentage of the population that fits that description?  Probably very very very small.  Would the effort needed to make this change be worth any potential or perceived gains?  Probably not.  But it's just an idea, man.   :D  Honestly I think our entire tax code needs reform.  #nomoreobfuscation

What percentage of the population that fits that description actually takes the time to vote in your estimation? It's well under 20% in my experience.

No idea.  I don't commune with those losers.  :D
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 23, 2014, 05:01:52 PM
we've seriously got people in this thread attempting to design a modern day poll tax. wtf?

drugs.

take one too many bong rips and you completely forget high school civics.

I remember at least one lesson in civics class even after several bong rips.

Quote from: Ben Franklin
When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic

We're already there. Trying to save you morons from yourselves.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Branson Bound on April 23, 2014, 05:06:07 PM
Soon they will be taxing the very air we breathe, so this hole debate is pointless. Time to put this shameful bickering by the wayside, guys. Don't worry about the R's and the D's. Worry about the U's and the Me's.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 23, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
Soon they will be taxing the very air we breathe, so this hole debate is pointless. Time to put this shameful bickering by the wayside, guys. Don't worry about the R's and the D's. Worry about the U's and the Me's.

...and Randy's
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 23, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Did he seriously suggest a qualifier for voting that involves owning property?  Hey, the 18th century called... Do my two slaves count as owning property?

I would support it.   :dunno:  Hell, I'd even stipulate that you have to have paid taxes to get a vote.

Anyone who has purchased a good or service has paid taxes.  What is your rationale for disenfranchisement?

You're right. We'd better lower the voting age to 14.

The thing the libtards can't seem to grasp is that there's nothing sacred or empirically superior to voting at 18, versus 21 (the way it was until 1971) or any other age or non-discriminatory standard. The hysteria over "poll tax" and slavery is pretty :lol:.

It was a good idea, for example, to drop the voting age to 18 back when pretty much any eligible male was subject to the draft. We don't really have that in practice today, but it still makes perfect sense to allow people who enlist to possibly die for their country to vote. That same logic doesn't apply to the lazy (pot smoking) eternal adolescent playing video games in mom and dad's basement.

Democracy fails when a majority of the voting populous figures out (with the help of a certain political party) that it can vote itself largess from the treasury. The best way to fix this is to restrict voting to those who, as our current president is fond of saying but doesn't actually believe, have some "skin in the game" and have a certain level of experience in the real world. There's no perfect test for that, and some perfectly responsible people might be disenfranchised by any test, just as our current test likely disenfranchises some perfectly responsible people younger than 18. But in theory, you ought not be voting if you're taking from the government more than you've paid in. Politically and realistically this is impossible, but I thought we were talking wish list stuff.

18 year olds aren't subject to a potential draft anymore? News to me.

Males still have to register for selective service in order to vote. The draft doesn't not exist anymore, it's just not used.

That's why I used the word "really." I know we still require registration for selective service, but out last and only draft in modern history was over 40 years ago.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Did freedom have sex with ksu's wife? He really hates the crap out of freedom, jeez
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
Back on topic:  we need to lower the drinking age, cuz Europe...
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 06:46:16 PM
If we are going to have an arbitrary non 18 age, it should be 19
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 06:47:45 PM
If we are going to have an arbitrary non 18 age, it should be 19

Great idea. Even better, make it 1 year removed from high school.  #OneAndDrunk.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: wetwillie on April 23, 2014, 06:57:41 PM
Is enjoying decent weed on the reg more costly than somone who drinks several quality beers every night? 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 06:59:25 PM
Is enjoying decent weed on the reg more costly than somone who drinks several quality beers every night?

Not even close
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: wetwillie on April 23, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Is enjoying decent weed on the reg more costly than somone who drinks several quality beers every night?

Not even close

So it's far more affordable to smoke?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2014, 07:03:07 PM
I would say so. $50 in alcohol is a weekend or two, $50 in weed will last much longer
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
Is enjoying decent weed on the reg more costly than somone who drinks several quality beers every night?

Not even close

So it's far more affordable to smoke?

No doubt about it.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 07:18:31 PM
And no hangover when smoking. Also a hangover cure.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Hoibergs Horrible Heart on April 23, 2014, 07:32:03 PM
And no hangover when smoking. Also a hangover cure.

Plus prolonged alcohol use can be tough on the old ticker...
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 23, 2014, 08:28:40 PM
I can't think of one 18 year old that I would want drinking (legally). Awful idea.

You must be asexual then
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ben ji on April 23, 2014, 09:06:42 PM
Before I was 21 I was all about lowering the drinking age, once I turned 21 I stopped caring about it.

Also I know tons of "young professionals" that enjoy herbal supplements. Most are productive members of society.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 23, 2014, 09:08:35 PM
And no hangover when smoking. Also a hangover cure.

Plus prolonged alcohol use can be tough on the old ticker...

People that think weed is not bad for you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  That's a lot of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) people in this thread.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 09:20:53 PM
And no hangover when smoking. Also a hangover cure.

Plus prolonged alcohol use can be tough on the old ticker...

People that think weed is not bad for you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  That's a lot of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) people in this thread.

Did you even read this thread?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 23, 2014, 09:22:17 PM
I'm 60% confident he posted in the right thread
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 23, 2014, 09:23:14 PM
I'm 60% confident he posted in the right thread

Probably looking for the say something controversial thread?  :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Trim on April 23, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
Is this what you people do in here all day?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: The Big Train on April 23, 2014, 10:27:56 PM
Plus prolonged alcohol use can be tough on the old ticker...

somebody is jelly they have never had a good night out
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 24, 2014, 06:09:56 PM
Is this what you people do in here all day?

Not all day. Don't be silly.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 24, 2014, 08:04:15 PM
I would say so. $50 in alcohol is a weekend or two, $50 in weed will last much longer

this doesn't seem accurate to me (the alcohol part).  i think you're taking the cost of alcohol when served in a bar.  in which case you are mostly paying for labor, use of property, etc.  i could kill myself with eminently drinkable wine for $50 per weekend if drunk in my own house.

i'd like to hear more details on the cost of marijuana.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
I would say so. $50 in alcohol is a weekend or two, $50 in weed will last much longer

this doesn't seem accurate to me (the alcohol part).  i think you're taking the cost of alcohol when served in a bar.  in which case you are mostly paying for labor, use of property, etc.  i could kill myself with eminently drinkable wine for $50 per weekend if drunk in my own house.

i'd like to hear more details on the cost of marijuana.

This guy I know smokes on occasion.  Apparently it's not like an everyday thing, but will sometimes take a hit or two, literally just one or two, on average about once a week when he's chilling, maybe watching a movie.  He says it helps him relax and also helps him to sleep like a baby.  Anyway, this guy says he spent $50 on 1/8 oz. about a year ago and he still has well over half left. He tells me he keeps it in his freezer. I don't know, is he a drug abuser or what? I've been thinking about ending our friendship over it. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 24, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
Fiscally responsible.   Sounds like a right winger.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:22:38 PM
This guy also tells me that the cost of using "weed" is extremely low if you are the only person consuming it, rather than using it as a party favor for other drug users to abuse.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 24, 2014, 08:36:39 PM
this guy says he spent $50 on 1/8 oz. about a year ago and he still has well over half left. He tells me he keeps it in his freezer. I don't know, is he a drug abuser or what? I've been thinking about ending our friendship over it.

that can't possibly be accurate.  an eighth of an ounce?  that's like 3 or 4 grams.  that's nothing.  are you smoking like a tweezerful at a time?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:40:05 PM
this guy says he spent $50 on 1/8 oz. about a year ago and he still has well over half left. He tells me he keeps it in his freezer. I don't know, is he a drug abuser or what? I've been thinking about ending our friendship over it.

that can't possibly be accurate.  an eighth of an ounce?  that's like 3 or 4 grams.  that's nothing.  are you smoking like a tweezerful at a time?

Can you smoke with a tweezers?  Idk, I'll ask him and let u know.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 24, 2014, 08:43:43 PM
google thinks that an average marijuana cigarette contains about 0.5 grams.  so if spracne's price is correct, that's about $7 per smoke.  presumably the user smokes one per use.  coincidentally, the wine i usually buy is also about $7/bottle.  but i almost never drink a bottle per night.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 24, 2014, 08:44:36 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 24, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
but i almost never drink a bottle per night.
:dubious:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:48:55 PM

google thinks that an average marijuana cigarette contains about 0.5 grams.  so if spracne's price is correct, that's about $7 per smoke.  presumably the user smokes one per use.  coincidentally, the wine i usually buy is also about $7/bottle.  but i almost never drink a bottle per night.

He estimates that it's about $0.30 per "toke," and if he smokes infrequently, one or two "tokes" is sufficient to catch a comfortable buzz. So for him, I guess that equates to $0.60 - $1.20 a week. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:50:26 PM
Also, he says that joints are overkill for personal use, assuming the user isn't of the daily variety and that he isn't trying to get really, Really high.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:51:26 PM
Also, it's important to get a quality strain, apparently.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 24, 2014, 08:51:58 PM
so you take a drag, then put it out and freeze it for future use?  weirdo.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 08:57:55 PM

so you take a drag, then put it out and freeze it for future use?  weirdo.

I don't know, man. You want his AIM handle so you can ask him yourself? I barely know this guy.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 24, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
You really know that little about marijuana and how it is used, Sys?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 24, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
You really know that little about marijuana and how it is used, Sys?

yes?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2014, 10:19:21 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.

Tweezers is what a square calls roach clips.  I'd also be surprised if weed bought at $50 an 1/8 was worth a crap.

Also, nobody takes a hit or two and then puts their joint away, nobody. I'm pretty sure the person Spracne is describing is Christian Bale's character from American Psycho.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2014, 10:20:04 PM
I bet sys' search history is adorable.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: The Big Train on April 24, 2014, 10:23:05 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.

Tweezers is what a square calls roach clips.  I'd also be surprised if weed bought at $50 an 1/8 was worth a crap.

Also, nobody takes a hit or two and then puts their joint away, nobody. I'm pretty sure the person Spracne is describing is Christian Bale's character from American Psycho.

This
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 24, 2014, 10:34:36 PM
if you're paying more than $50-$60 an 1/8th, you're more than likely getting ripped off. there are other ways to smoke than a joint.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2014, 10:45:03 PM
Well, we've identified at least one person who smokes schwag out of a gravity bong. I call dibs on partying with Metalhead!
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 25, 2014, 12:20:25 AM
Well, we've identified at least one person who smokes schwag out of a gravity bong. I call dibs on partying with Metalhead!

i don't smoke schwag, i don't own a bong and i don't think that we would enjoy each other's company, FSD.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 25, 2014, 08:42:05 AM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2014, 08:45:08 AM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

I don't know. I can't wait to start snorting alcohol, though.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/palcohol-powdered-alcohol-may-present-serious-health-risks/
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 25, 2014, 08:51:56 AM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

drugs  :runaway:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

Marijuana is not an opiate.  And I don't think you want to claim that you were using the Marxian phrase, which actually refers to religion.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 25, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
60 is fair market value for a quality eighth (3.5 grams) of good weed in this area. 50 if you know people. Free if you sell a little bit. Or you can get paid to smoke if you sell a little bit more. If you're taking a couple of hits a day then it's going to last you about a month. A bowl a day, roughly 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 8manpick on April 25, 2014, 09:14:20 AM
We should auction off a jazz band smoke sesh experience with myself and certain other gE elites at Fatty Fest.

Should have auctioned the HCl sesh last year at FF2
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 8manpick on April 25, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

I don't know. I can't wait to start snorting alcohol, though.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/palcohol-powdered-alcohol-may-present-serious-health-risks/

Pro-tip: it doesn't need to be powdered
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 25, 2014, 09:15:53 AM
Apparently the kids these days are bonging vodka into their buttholes, which gives them a deeper/quicker/cheaper drunk.  So sys needs to consider the incremental difference between the most economically ways to enjoy each.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 09:20:31 AM
Apparently the kids these days are bonging vodka into their buttholes, which gives them a deeper/quicker/cheaper drunk.  So sys needs to consider the incremental difference between the most economically ways to enjoy each.
My buddy is a promoter for mccormick. It's awesome, cause when we go to games, he hands us a bunch of plastic pouches to sneak in with and mix with pop. However, this one time, a dude put the pouches in his underwear. One of the pouches was torn and it leaked into his dingle ling. I'm not joking when I say I've never seen someone so mumped up. He had to be rushed to the emergency room cause of alcohol poisioning. He doesn't remember a thing.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Bloodfart on April 25, 2014, 09:22:00 AM
Apparently the kids these days are bonging vodka into their buttholes, which gives them a deeper/quicker/cheaper drunk.  So sys needs to consider the incremental difference between the most economically ways to enjoy each.
My buddy is a promoter for mccormick. It's awesome, cause when we go to games, he hands us a bunch of plastic pouches to sneak in with and mix with pop. However, this one time, a dude put the pouches in his underwear. One of the pouches was torn and it leaked into his dingle ling. I'm not joking when I say I've never seen someone so mumped up. He had to be rushed to the emergency room cause of alcohol poisioning. He doesn't remember a thing.

Whiskey dick?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 25, 2014, 09:27:43 AM
Thanks for the backup there Wacks.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: TownieCat on April 25, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
 :Lurk:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 'taterblast on April 25, 2014, 09:50:19 AM
Apparently the kids these days are bonging vodka into their buttholes, which gives them a deeper/quicker/cheaper drunk.  So sys needs to consider the incremental difference between the most economically ways to enjoy each.
My buddy is a promoter for mccormick. It's awesome, cause when we go to games, he hands us a bunch of plastic pouches to sneak in with and mix with pop. However, this one time, a dude put the pouches in his underwear. One of the pouches was torn and it leaked into his dingle ling. I'm not joking when I say I've never seen someone so mumped up. He had to be rushed to the emergency room cause of alcohol poisioning. He doesn't remember a thing.

 :lol: no rough ridin' way
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
 :)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 25, 2014, 09:55:23 AM
Apparently the kids these days are bonging vodka into their buttholes, which gives them a deeper/quicker/cheaper drunk.  So sys needs to consider the incremental difference between the most economically ways to enjoy each.
My buddy is a promoter for mccormick. It's awesome, cause when we go to games, he hands us a bunch of plastic pouches to sneak in with and mix with pop. However, this one time, a dude put the pouches in his underwear. One of the pouches was torn and it leaked into his dingle ling. I'm not joking when I say I've never seen someone so mumped up. He had to be rushed to the emergency room cause of alcohol poisioning. He doesn't remember a thing.

 :lol: no rough ridin' way

McCormick needs to make bottles with bigger mouths and market that.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
He's pushing their new whiskey called "Triple Crown". It's half the price of crown royal and just as smooth. I helped him get it into the quaff last week.  :gocho:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 25, 2014, 10:34:45 AM
He's pushing their new whiskey called "Triple Crown". It's half the price of crown royal and just as smooth. I helped him get it into the quaff last week.  :gocho:

Can you dick soak it?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 10:37:13 AM
He's pushing their new whiskey called "Triple Crown". It's half the price of crown royal and just as smooth. I helped him get it into the quaff last week.  :gocho:

Can you dick soak it?
Oh yeah. It's great for dick soaking. You'll be blacked out in 15 minutes tho. Good thing about that tho, is when you piss yourself from the black out, ppl just think you were dick soaking the product.  :cheers: <---- (but dick soaking triple crown)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2014, 11:24:09 AM
welp, get yer dicks out, fellahs.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 25, 2014, 11:26:26 AM
New candy idea:  Dippin' Dicks
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2014, 11:29:19 AM
I'm a bit skeptical of your method, wacky.  I think the result would be immense pain not followed by stupor.  I know this because I once spilled a bottle of mouthwash and some of it got in my peehole.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2014, 11:30:08 AM
New bar idea: Drinkin' Dicks
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 25, 2014, 11:32:47 AM
never going to Fat's again
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 25, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
Everyone order a moscow for your mule at station this weekend
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 25, 2014, 12:28:33 PM
Everyone order a moscow for your mule at station this weekend

everybody's hog is going to be hammered.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: The Big Train on April 25, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
what is going on in here  :runaway:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: slobber on April 25, 2014, 12:43:29 PM
Scrotum absorbs chemicals very fast. Wash your hands with soap and water after using pesticides and before going to the bathroom. :Lawn Care related:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.

Tweezers is what a square calls roach clips.  I'd also be surprised if weed bought at $50 an 1/8 was worth a crap.

Also, nobody takes a hit or two and then puts their joint away, nobody. I'm pretty sure the person Spracne is describing is Christian Bale's character from American Psycho.

This

Lots of people use one-hitter pipes for quality weed. And if you use it occasionally you honestly only need a hit or two.

Now, back to fanning's lie.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 25, 2014, 01:04:08 PM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:
I don't know. I can't wait to start snorting alcohol, though.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/palcohol-powdered-alcohol-may-present-serious-health-risks/
Pro-tip: it doesn't need to be powdered
:Yuck: :Yuck: :Yuck:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:
I don't know. I can't wait to start snorting alcohol, though.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/palcohol-powdered-alcohol-may-present-serious-health-risks/
Pro-tip: it doesn't need to be powdered
:Yuck: :Yuck: :Yuck:

Yeah, liquid and lungs don't mix well.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.

Tweezers is what a square calls roach clips.  I'd also be surprised if weed bought at $50 an 1/8 was worth a crap.

Also, nobody takes a hit or two and then puts their joint away, nobody. I'm pretty sure the person Spracne is describing is Christian Bale's character from American Psycho.

This

Lots of people use one-hitter pipes for quality weed. And if you use it occasionally you honestly only need a hit or two.

Now, back to fanning's lie.

This guy knows what he's talking about.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 25, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
So much LWIQ in this thread
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.

Tweezers is what a square calls roach clips.  I'd also be surprised if weed bought at $50 an 1/8 was worth a crap.

Also, nobody takes a hit or two and then puts their joint away, nobody. I'm pretty sure the person Spracne is describing is Christian Bale's character from American Psycho.

This

Lots of people use one-hitter pipes for quality weed. And if you use it occasionally you honestly only need a hit or two.

Now, back to fanning's lie.
nope  :block:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2014, 01:28:31 PM
I don't believe you, at all.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 01:29:19 PM
I don't believe you, at all.
That's fine. I really don't care.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2014, 01:37:07 PM
You should care about being trustworthy, wacky.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 01:38:08 PM
You should care about being trustworthy, wacky.
I care very little of what you think or believe. No offense.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2014, 01:42:22 PM
I influence opinion
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
I share stories and entertain (to some).
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: OregonSmock on April 25, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
Can you smoke with a tweezers?

very sophisticated way to smoke.

Tweezers is what a square calls roach clips.  I'd also be surprised if weed bought at $50 an 1/8 was worth a crap.

Also, nobody takes a hit or two and then puts their joint away, nobody. I'm pretty sure the person Spracne is describing is Christian Bale's character from American Psycho.


It's a lot less expensive on the West coast and in Colorado.  Supply and demand, bruh.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2014, 01:46:05 PM
Oh, it was a very entertaining story.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2014, 01:48:08 PM
If drinkin' dicks was a real thing, there's no way people would ever go the alcohol enema route. It was a hilarious story, though.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
I'm telling you, it is an awful, painful experience.  Dude probably just got alcohol poisoning the good ole' fashion way AND happened to get some vodka in his pee-pee.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2014, 01:53:17 PM
I'm telling you, it is an awful, painful experience.  Dude probably just got alcohol poisoning the good ole' fashion way AND happened to get some vodka in his pee-pee.
More than likely. Ppl were claiming he hadn't been drinking much previous to that, but i'm open to the idea he was slippin drinks and was/is probably a light weight. It was funny to see the alcohol bursting through his pants.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 25, 2014, 02:47:43 PM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

Does no one here smoke hash? That is the best value for a Baller on a Budget.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2014, 02:49:17 PM
I will create your blog for you if you promise to update it.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 25, 2014, 04:11:59 PM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

Does no one here smoke hash? That is the best value for a Baller on a Budget.

Depends how you look at it and how much hash you can handle. Sure it takes very little to get you HAF but it's not very convenient to smoke unless you have a vape pen. It's also harder to get than green (in KS) and it can be dangerous to make. It's roughly 2-3 times more expensive per gram than weed but THC levels, if made right, are like 4 times that of green.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 25, 2014, 04:57:59 PM
Is there a way to inject the THC straight into a vein, or maybe snort it, or an enema? I don't think this drug use thread is disgusting enough yet. But, fortunately, states are legalizing another opiate for the masses. Yay!  :Woohoo:

Does no one here smoke hash? That is the best value for a Baller on a Budget.

Depends how you look at it and how much hash you can handle. Sure it takes very little to get you HAF but it's not very convenient to smoke unless you have a vape pen. It's also harder to get than green (in KS) and it can be dangerous to make. It's roughly 2-3 times more expensive per gram than weed but THC levels, if made right, are like 4 times that of green.

When I spent my semester in Florence we would people I knew would take a gravity bong hit from a liter bottle.  Guaranteed to be HAF for 3 hours+ and it was a very small amount.  It was impossible to find green there, hash was everywhere.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 25, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
I will create your blog for you if you promise to update it.

What kind of commitment are we talking here?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 26, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
60 is fair market value for a quality eighth (3.5 grams) of good weed in this area. 50 if you know people. Free if you sell a little bit. Or you can get paid to smoke if you sell a little bit more. If you're taking a couple of hits a day then it's going to last you about a month. A bowl a day, roughly 2 weeks.

thanks, ell.  good info.  so $50 every 2 weeks for regular users, $50 a month for light users.  that's about the same as alcohol assuming it was consumed in same way (at home).

does anyone know if legal, retailed and taxed marijuana is selling for the same price as illegal black market marijuana?  are marijuana cafes legal in the legalized states, or is it all buy and use in private?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: sys on April 26, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Apparently the kids these days are bonging vodka into their buttholes, which gives them a deeper/quicker/cheaper drunk.  So sys needs to consider the incremental difference between the most economically ways to enjoy each.

i'm assuming an equivalent experience.  people choosing to consume in ways that are enjoyable and consistent with the appropriate rituals and traditions.  someone could certainly buy 95% etoh, mix with h2o and get ridic drunk for pennies.  but no one is doing that.  i don't know if there is a marijuana equivalent, but there's prolly something.

it's a lot easier and cheaper to grow your own marijuana than to ferment your own alcohol, though.  that's a relevant difference.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 26, 2014, 03:24:39 PM
An 1/8th will last me 2 to 3 months, sys, with an average of smoking around 3 times a week.

Legal prices are pretty comparable.  prices are fluid obviously, but back in January I got two 1/16ths of "top shelf" quality for $55 total, taxes included. Erii can maybe give you a more recent number.

As far as smoking in public legally, that's a problem they are attempting to solve right now. I believe a few counties have authorized smoking patios at bars, not sure if this has made it to denver yet.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 26, 2014, 06:35:27 PM
Recreational 1/8th's vary anywhere from $50-65 +tax. At one of the stores we went to last week I got a sativa dominant strain called Golden Goat* and it was $60 plus around $15 in tax. Not sure of the exact amount since I bought other things and it's cash only and I didn't get a receipt.

*Fun fact: that strain was created by accident from cross pollination in Topeka!
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Headinjun on April 27, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
Recreational 1/8th's vary anywhere from $50-65 +tax. At one of the stores we went to last week I got a sativa dominant strain called Golden Goat* and it was $60 plus around $15 in tax. Not sure of the exact amount since I bought other things and it's cash only and I didn't get a receipt.

*Fun fact: that strain was created by accident from cross pollination in Topeka!

Do you know if they have any thc pills by chance?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 27, 2014, 09:32:32 PM
Recreational 1/8th's vary anywhere from $50-65 +tax. At one of the stores we went to last week I got a sativa dominant strain called Golden Goat* and it was $60 plus around $15 in tax. Not sure of the exact amount since I bought other things and it's cash only and I didn't get a receipt.

*Fun fact: that strain was created by accident from cross pollination in Topeka!

Do you know if they have any thc pills by chance?

I highly doubt those are available for recreational use. I would imagine those are medicinal only.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Headinjun on April 27, 2014, 09:34:49 PM
Dam. 

Any oils? Drinks
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: bones129 on April 27, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
 What kind of example are we setting for the Youth of America in here? Just askin'...   ;)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 28, 2014, 03:09:06 AM
If I could get ahold of some THC in pill form that'd be fantastic because then I could put it on a little tea biscuit and pretend it's a marshmallow.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 28, 2014, 12:22:33 PM
What kind of example are we setting for the Youth of America in here? Just askin'...   ;)

That like tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption responsible adults can enjoy the effects of THC as well.  :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: puniraptor on April 28, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
could you get aids from whiskey dicking out of the same vessel as an infected person?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: puniraptor on April 28, 2014, 03:15:52 PM
could you get aids from whiskey dicking out of the same vessel as an infected person?

turns out this is a truly ancient practice. Here is a clay vessel from the early assyrian era, carefully crafted to provide full immersion to the beef and satch.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpartyhireauckland.co.nz%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F08%2FGRAVY-BOAT-BASE_lg.jpg&hash=edc75a5d210e1dccf89cc881c3ecf8f1029f040d)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 28, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
could you get aids from whiskey dicking out of the same vessel as an infected person?

i'm not willing to find out

never going to Fat's again
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 28, 2014, 03:26:09 PM
could you get aids from whiskey dicking out of the same vessel as an infected person?

i'm not willing to find out

never going to Fat's again

the alcohol would not only kill the virus but probably cure the person who originally soaked.  Medical Soaking is born.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 28, 2014, 03:27:53 PM
wait, did we just cure aids?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: puniraptor on April 28, 2014, 03:28:17 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Tobias on April 28, 2014, 03:28:59 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsistatv.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2Ftumblrm6rel5dhm81qcqqpj.gif&hash=a73e304f1ba20caa95b4effd2d5d7c87366e4836)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 28, 2014, 03:29:49 PM
Yep and only a month or two after Egypt.  We are going to need to change the date on this thread if gE has any hope of getting the Nobel this year.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 28, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
 :emawkid:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 28, 2014, 05:00:04 PM
Yep and only a month or two after Egypt.  We are going to need to change the date on this thread if gE has any hope of getting the Nobel this year.

Nobel prizes are really easy to get.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 28, 2014, 05:04:33 PM
Yep and only a month or two after Egypt.  We are going to need to change the date on this thread if gE has any hope of getting the Nobel this year.

Nobel prizes are really easy to get.

They are incredibly difficult to get, actually.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: CNS on April 28, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
Yep and only a month or two after Egypt.  We are going to need to change the date on this thread if gE has any hope of getting the Nobel this year.

Nobel prizes are really easy to get.

They are incredibly difficult to get, actually.

just a pre-date switch away at this point. 
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 28, 2014, 06:33:02 PM
Yep and only a month or two after Egypt.  We are going to need to change the date on this thread if gE has any hope of getting the Nobel this year.

Nobel prizes are really easy to get.

They are incredibly difficult to get, actually.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5NvexgI.png&hash=3c64cf80a6085856fab7d6e1801a37e2b2e09fbf)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 28, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
you stupid libs walked right into that one
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 28, 2014, 07:29:04 PM
Wow. Didn't see that one coming. Next I bet I find out that it's super easy to become President of the United States, too.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Institutional Control on April 29, 2014, 06:55:40 AM
Wow. Didn't see that one coming. Next I bet I find out that it's super easy to become President of the United States, too.
Well......
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Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 29, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Wow. Didn't see that one coming. Next I bet I find out that it's super easy to become President of the United States, too.

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Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on April 29, 2014, 11:08:04 AM
 :ump:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 01, 2014, 04:18:29 PM
Watched a National Geographic documentary on Denver marijuana.  It said gang violence in Denver has doubled since the passing of the law.  Also as they're getting squeezed out of pot they are really pushing the super bad crap like pills, meth, and heroin.  Sad.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 01, 2014, 04:21:20 PM
Watched a National Geographic documentary on Denver marijuana.  It said gang violence in Denver has doubled since the passing of the law.  Also as they're getting squeezed out of pot they are really pushing the super bad crap like pills, meth, and heroin.  Sad.

LOL, no.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 01, 2014, 04:23:07 PM
Watched a National Geographic documentary on Denver marijuana.  It said gang violence in Denver has doubled since the passing of the law.  Also as they're getting squeezed out of pot they are really pushing the super bad crap like pills, meth, and heroin.  Sad.

LOL, no.

Yup, true.  You should watch it.  http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/drugs-inc/episodes/rocky-mountain-high/
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 01, 2014, 04:24:35 PM
Watched a National Geographic documentary on Denver marijuana.  It said gang violence in Denver has doubled since the passing of the law.  Also as they're getting squeezed out of pot they are really pushing the super bad crap like pills, meth, and heroin.  Sad.

LOL, no.

Yup, true.  You should watch it.  http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/drugs-inc/episodes/rocky-mountain-high/

Sorry, but gang violence has not doubled.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 01, 2014, 04:25:29 PM
Watched a National Geographic documentary on Denver marijuana.  It said gang violence in Denver has doubled since the passing of the law.  Also as they're getting squeezed out of pot they are really pushing the super bad crap like pills, meth, and heroin.  Sad.

LOL, no.

Yup, true.  You should watch it.  http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/drugs-inc/episodes/rocky-mountain-high/

Sorry, but gang violence has not doubled.

That's what they said.   :dunno:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 01, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
Watched a National Geographic documentary on Denver marijuana.  It said gang violence in Denver has doubled since the passing of the law.  Also as they're getting squeezed out of pot they are really pushing the super bad crap like pills, meth, and heroin.  Sad.

LOL, no.

Yup, true.  You should watch it.  http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/drugs-inc/episodes/rocky-mountain-high/

Sorry, but gang violence has not doubled.

That's what they said.   :dunno:

Did some quick research. You seem to be right but it has nothing to do with the legalization.

From a Denver Post article:

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Gang violence remains below where it was five years ago, and the overall number of gang-related crimes has dropped in that time.

Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 15, 2014, 03:41:15 PM
http://kdvr.com/2014/05/15/study-more-marijuana-positive-drivers-involved-in-fatal-car-accidents-in-colorado/
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on May 15, 2014, 03:53:12 PM
http://kdvr.com/2014/05/15/study-more-marijuana-positive-drivers-involved-in-fatal-car-accidents-in-colorado/

such a weird study and timing of its release. It certainly seems bogus and/or intentionally misleading.

[/quote]Using data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System from 1994 to 2011, researchers looked at fatal car accidents in Colorado and the 34 states that didn’t have medical marijuana laws.

They found fatal car crashes in Colorado with at least one driver who tested positive for marijuana was 4.5 percent in the first six months of 1994. In the last six months of 2011, that percentage had jumped to 10 percent. The researchers found no major changes over the same time in the proportion of drivers in fatal crashes in which drivers were alcohol-impaired.[/quote]
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2014, 03:55:32 PM
what is alcohol, 60 percent?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 15, 2014, 03:59:12 PM
couldn't a person have smoked the day before?  :dubious:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: michigancat on May 15, 2014, 04:12:41 PM
different study, same university

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“Our research suggests that the legalization of medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities through reducing alcohol consumption by young adults,” said Daniel Rees, professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver who co-authored the study with D. Mark Anderson, assistant professor of economics at Montana State University.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/newsroom/newsreleases/Pages/Study-shows-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths.aspx

:dubious:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2014, 04:15:18 PM
untestable hypothesis  ;)
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 15, 2014, 04:29:35 PM
different study, same university

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“Our research suggests that the legalization of medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities through reducing alcohol consumption by young adults,” said Daniel Rees, professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver who co-authored the study with D. Mark Anderson, assistant professor of economics at Montana State University.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/newsroom/newsreleases/Pages/Study-shows-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths.aspx

:dubious:

This is so true:

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The economists noted that simulator studies conducted by previous researchers suggest that drivers under the influence of alcohol tend to underestimate how badly their skills are impaired.  They drive faster and take more risks.  In contrast, these studies show that drivers under the influence of marijuana tend to avoid risks.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: ChiComCat on May 15, 2014, 06:58:59 PM
Most marijuana news stories around here are about adults leaving edible cookies/candy lying around and kids getting into them.  I think it would be a bigger issue if they didn't have such a shitty aftertaste.  Hard to imagine a kid eating more than one.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2014, 07:26:03 PM

Also, the driving age is too low. 16 year olds are rough ridin' morons.

A group of like minded students and I tried to push a law through the Kansas Legislature after 5 driving related deaths in our area in one year by young drivers.  It unfortunately died in committee. I would be curious to see what the correlation in other nations between driving age and driving licensing are in order to determine if that is a worthwhile endeavor. 

On the topic at hand. . .the article mentions how most countries in the world allow younger drinking.  Is there any proof that younger drinking age leads to more drinking responsibility?

When was this? I closely monitor all public policy discussions regarding transportation in the state of Kansas, and I've never heard of that initiative from you and your fellow enterprising young scholars.

Way back in 2002.  We made it to nationals in a community problem solving competition but failed to take the prize because it didn't make it to vote.

That's fair.  Can't really solve any problems in the community if a bill doesn't even make it out of committee.  That's about as useful as pissing in a shoe.

@ydarg2012

:peek:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 15, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
I can't understand why anyone would ever make a dispositive statement that marijuana is safer than alcohol.  You either abuse a drug or you don't. They're all dangerous in excessive quantities.

The skepticism regarding "science" is well founded, when you consider the number of studies pushing this bullshit.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2014, 09:17:36 PM
I can't understand why anyone would ever make a dispositive statement that marijuana is safer than alcohol.  You either abuse a drug or you don't. They're all dangerous in excessive quantities.

The skepticism regarding "science" is well founded, when you consider the number of studies pushing this bullshit.

Do you find merit in differentiating between "kinds" and "degrees"?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 15, 2014, 09:21:32 PM
I can't understand why anyone would ever make a dispositive statement that marijuana is safer than alcohol.  You either abuse a drug or you don't. They're all dangerous in excessive quantities.

The skepticism regarding "science" is well founded, when you consider the number of studies pushing this bullshit.

Do you find merit in differentiating between "kinds" and "degrees"?

I don't understand the question.  To the extent differentiating "degrees" are measurable, of course.
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on June 03, 2014, 10:01:18 PM
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf (http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf)

Crime down 10% from a year ago.  :Wha:
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Spracne on June 03, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
Other notable conclusions from that article:

1.) Hunger up 15%

2.) Happiness up 8%

3.) Sleepiness up 35%
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 04, 2014, 11:14:52 AM
Other notable conclusions from that article:

1.) Hunger up 15%

2.) Happiness up 8%

3.) Sleepiness up 35%

HAPPINESS RISING
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 09, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf (http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf)

Crime down 10% from a year ago.  :Wha:

Arson is up 140%? Or maybe just people accidentally lighting things on fire?
Title: Re: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 09, 2014, 01:42:12 PM
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf (http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf)

Crime down 10% from a year ago.  :Wha:

Arson is up 140%? Or maybe just people accidentally lighting things on fire?

Make sure that roach is out before dropping it in that trash can.